Dead franchise

>>287385607
>It sold as well as Index 3, so not exactly the best metric
not him but wtf? I thought it did more than Index III considering how much favoritism went into Railgun.

>>287385915
It was a bit more but it wasn’t a giant difference, I think some people grit their teeth and bought Index 3 BDs just for NT

>>287385883
That tail is longer than lessar’s body, while in her character design for volume 17 and 18, it reaches to half her size.
>>287385901
Dumbass take.

>>287385939
>I think some people grit their teeth and bought Index 3 BDs just for NT
Hat off to our japanese fans.
Though I don't like how it helps Nishikiori gets away with that disaster.

>>287385901
This. I hope the ITEM anime and Railgun F flop too so that this cursed franchise can finally be put to rest.

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>>287385915
It wasn't enough to save the Toaru Project. Sad.

>>287385915
All the hype died after everyone saw how badly Index 3 was handled. Who gives a shit about the spin-off when the main attraction got shafted so hard?

>>287385883
>Birdway once again sitting on the throne that will destroy God
The ultimate imouto.

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>>287386146
That faker is NOT his imouto!

>>287386168
I bet not even Kamachi remembers her.

>>287386176
Kamachi won't but I will always remember how she immediately pounced on amnesia Touma when they first met.

>>287385915
Railgun sale aren't much bigger than index as you expect
The Blu ray market was and is essentially Dead by the time index iii hit the shelfs
It did sell quite well for it relatively and railgun sold as just slightly better as expected

>>287386168
>literal dragon princess
She will be back.

>>287386176
If he remembered Amano Kaguya for Ace vs Queen, then I’m pretty sure he remembers a member of Touma’s family.
>>287386146
>>287386168
Birdway and Otohime fighting like Invincible and Conquest for the title of Touma’s imouto, if they find out the other exists.

>>287386259
Conquest and Battle Beast fighting to see who gets to sit on Mark*

>>287386002
You can't put All the blame on Nishikiori
He fight for more episodes but couldn't squeeze more than 2

>>287386176
She is mentioned sending touma New year post card

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>>287386328
I will always blame him for return to 0.

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>>287386389
>>287386328
And this.

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itsuwa now drip

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>>287386389
>>287386399
The memes were the only good things to come out of Shitdex III.

>>287386413
>on their way to job to Hamazura
Predict Stiyl's upcoming humiliation ritual

Itsuwa exists!

>>287386413
>back to back to back Amakusa appearances in the year 2026
Who killed Kamachi and replaced him?

>>287386450
Miki simply upgraded the Kamachi.exe

>>287386450
Is it really surprising?
They were working in back ground for All of GT at this point

>>287385883
hamazura isn't into her at all

>>287386450
Miki accidentally deleted info about the amakusa in Kamachi’s memory during early NT and only fixed him and restored his lost info during late NT and early GT.

>the place where Hamazura is in GT15 cover looks like waiting area of an airport
>Itsuwa dressing like a flight attendant in a color illustration
hmmm

>>287386524
Early? You mean mid

>>287386413
Itsuwa!!!

Itsuwa is more relevant to the plot than Mikoto and Misaki... Sad!

>>287386450
He remembered saying he was going to use older characters in GT and then realized he should probably do that for people besides Kazakiri.

>>287386600
And thats a GREAT thing!

>>287386413
It's time to admit that Kanzaki's boobs are simply not that big canonically

>>287386413
>priest robe dragging the ground in back
N-NICS EVERBLIND confirmed

>>287386632
You have to adjust your perspective for Haimura

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>>287386389
People always complain about zero and not the fact that turned Acqua's swiss army sword into just random long range attacks instead of the sword changing. I can get the idea by zeros as it might not be visually interesting to just have KL no sell attacks without moving. But the sword would have made up for it

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>>287386693
I honestly can't think of a single redeeming thing for Index III. It feels like a fever dream.

>>287386600
Finally we are free !
Inb4 another misamisa illustrations is raveled

>>287386715
The threads before and during it were by far the best part but as always the OST and voice acting was good at least

>>287386715
The voice acting was immaculate, especially Mugino (who I believe also got the best looking scenes besides Stiyl for some reason) and the sweeping background shots mainly.

>No misamisa on the cover or color illustrations
They must not be in the story at all.

>>287386632
They are though

>>287386742
>OST
Really? It wasn't memorable at all. Can't even recall a single track.

>>287386632
GT4 colored illustration.
>>287385883
>Blodeuwedd with a heart mouth and doing a heart shape with her hands.
Yeah, she totally wants Hamazura to fuck her hard.
Also the hell is scaring lessar so much for her to be holding onto Touma.
>>287386413
Stiyl really acting like he didn’t get fisted by Touma and got little bro’ed by that necromancer.

>>287386742
The threads before, sure. But the threads that happened during the airing were full of shitposting and coping lol. I remember people saying that they were saving all the budget and SAKUGA for WWIII.

>>287386763
Don't forget that time Touma threw a bag of shit at him

>>287386758
Not him but I really liked the round 2 ost and the one that played when IT came out. Dogfight and extraordinary I think.

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>>287386763
>>287386647
>GT4
>perspective
at this point it feels like a slip up. Find me one GT image where Misaki doesn't look like she smuggling cantaloupes

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>>287386715
>>287386773
The threads themselves were alright for dumb OC

>>287386756
>implying
they will somehow find out Touma are missing and proceed to stalk him

>>287386810
Kek

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Kamachi seems to really like Isabella. So now that is more comfortable BD characters and events will Lessar finally remember Mikoto?

>>287386810
>birdway
Good taste, left anon BTFO

>>287386846
I can’t believe this is the side story character he’s done the most with besides maybe Brunhild forever ago

To be fair the CRC/JVA twist was openly foreshadowed in Itsuwa SS but I bet a lot of people never read it

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>>287386810

I'm still wondering about "Kamijou" (神上)

Birdway looks too cheeky in that color illustration
she needs correction

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>>287386881
>I can’t believe this is the side story character he’s done the most with besides maybe Brunhild forever ago
Well the only other option is the white amakusa. We don't get much science stuff in the novels to use the railgun ones. Except maybe sakibasu and her demon violin.

>>287386893
It was sort of referenced again in NT13 when High Priest talked about him

>no headcrab
>no fairy onahole
this volume is already on a good track

>>287386829
>mikoto in gt1
>misamisa in gt2
>no misamisa in gt3
>two small scenes of misamisa in gt4
>half a second of misamisa in gt5
>no misamisa in gt6
>maybe a full second of misamisa in gt7
>no misamisa in gt8
>misamisa in gt9 (they help and then die)
>a quarter of a second of misamisa in gt10
>quarter of a second of mikoto in gt11
>misamisa even though they did jackshit in gt12
>a full second of mikoto even though she helped index's dumb ass Google an empty island in gt13
>mostly mikoto even though misaki stole second place for support near the end in gt14
They're due for a no show or half a second.

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>>287385883
>new Index manga chapter
Lessar sex

>>287387486
They should readapt Index 3 once based Chuuya finishes with WW3. Then all the fags saying that the LNs are too hard to adapt can shut up.

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>>287387538
to be fair, he gets better with time
>tfw this happened after Biohacker
man, these panels hit way harder

>>287387538
manga still seems to be dodging vasilisa. Still no canon depiction of Skogsfru

The consequence of skipping OT4 is really hammered in the manga.
I can get skipping OT2 since not even Kamachi gives a shit about Himegami but skipping OT4 was uncalled for

>>287385901
not as ded as Heavy Objecto.

>>287386413
>>287386426
Shiage needs a smoke after the beatdown and steals Stiyl's cigarette pack, lighting one with the embers of Innocentius then throwing the rest of the pack away.

>>287387850
>"Too easy, prodigy magician"

>>287387749
OT2 still set up Touma not wanting to kill anyone, but yeah I assume the logic in both cases was that they were slow magic arcs and if you skip them you get to Accelerator and Last Order sooner

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>>287387538
Index III's action scenes weren't even as impactful and action was supposed to be its good point over medium like manga and LN

>>287387538
Index 3 isn’t hard to adapt, it just needs time and at least decent animation

It’s stuff like NT4 that are hard to adapt

>>287388126
There were random moments and even entire episodes where you can see some shine, but then it falls back to earth when shit kicks off again. 8 more episodes, a year of production time, and a real key animator and it would have been at least good. Nishikori dropped the ball, but the ball was 90 pounds and had spikes on it.

I remember seeing RAW of some extra chapter Chuuya drew to explain the angel thing that was skipped in OT4.
Anyone knows if it's translated or not

>>287385883
>>287386913
Both of them are just asking for Touma to pump them full of dragon cum. They especially want him to do it before he dies again.
Other than that, Touma’s eyebrows are quite thick here.

>>287386808
The GT2 illustrations have her size be not as large like the one pictured.

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>>287386168
Correct, but you posted the wrong image

>>287388659
Is she ded?

>>287386612
chances of oriana appearing again?

>>287388731
very high if Kamachi faps to Index R-18 novels on Pixiv since Oriana and Orsola are usually used as a pair for threesome with Touma

Is Index even relevant at all anymore? Is she still a main character?

I love sex with woman my age.

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behold
the power of removing nun outfit from headcrab

>>287385883
I can't even remember why Lessar and Bird are a combo

>>287388949
What am I supposed to be impressed by

>>287388953
>mesugaki... GOOD

>>287388932
You must be over 18 to post here.

>>287388716
Last time she appeared was NT15 where she was unconscious. Nothing about her after that.

>>287387486
f-fuck...

>>287387486
>worthless pantyshot from an irrelevant haremette
Amazing

>>287390691
>grrr I must be mad about fanservice
Go be gay somewhere else

>>287390691
You shouldn't talk like that about Misaka's best friend.

>>287390691
>femoid on 4chinz

>>287386810
Pffft

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>>287388949

Do we know whether or not Kamachi will write a new side story to be bundled with ITEM Blu-ray Disc (like how Biohacker was included with Accel anime BDs)?

>>287387486
Panties shots like this are what keep the series… no the manga industry… no humanity alive.

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>>287385915
Where Railgun really makes its money is through merchandising. Otherwise, they wouldn’t have been milking T for so many years
>>287386112
When it comes to anime, for many people Railgun is the main attraction. It’s no surprise that most collaborations are with T rather than with Index
>>287386756
>>287386829
It wouldn’t be all that unusual either. In GT there have already been a couple of volumes in which they haven’t appeared at all or have had only a minimal presence.

I wonder if Kamachi forgot the fact Touma uses hair gel

>>287387112
And as we have seen from GT4 and GT7; a small cameo is more than enough to nab them a color illustration.

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>>287385915
Railgun T did sell only a little better than Index III (something like 35 to 40k vs 30k BD/DVD sold respectively), however, the difference in stream viewers was massive (IIRC, between China and Japan, Railgun T had something like 2-3x total watchings), which is why there's a million Railgun T collaborations and merchandise of any kind imaginable, from Gacha like Blue Archive to clothes stories even today, while there's comparatively just a few with Index III. It's a very good example of how and where a modern anime generates utility in a time where physical disc sales are basically anécdota.

>>287386413
She looks like a flight attedance from the 70s. Kanzaki looks really cute for some reason.

Itsuwa's tits somehow look more pronounced in that illust
It's like her clothes failed to contain them

>>287386600
I very, very much doubt it, but we'll see.

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America, FUCK YEAH! Freedom is the only way~

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It's hard to believe but I'm really hoping for some hamazura shenanigans and this not just being Kamachi making good on the "any random ass transcendent can rival the entire magic side" line. Especially since Blod is basically just Misaki 3.0

It might just be me overthinking but I believe the "traitor" mentioned in the synopsis is Takitsubo.
I think she's fed up with how obsessed Hamazura is with Coronzon and is trying to make him calm the fuck up.

>>287392487
>up
*down

>>287392398
I mean Necessarius alone is definitely weaker than a Transcendant unless Stiyl is getting juiced by Neph/Niang

>>287391971
If he slicked his hair back he would just end up looking like black haired Izzard.

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Oh yeah, Touma completely missed out on this festival since he was kidnapped to England.

>>287394371
I can’t wait for the day, 30 years from now, when misamisa share a room during their high school years and don’t even go to school because Mikoto won’t let Misaki leave

>>287394356
No? He was was dealing with Fräulein and birdway temper tantrum while the festival was going

I want Blodeuwedd to play mostly a support role for Hamazura instead of carrying him against the Anglicans

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>>287394371

Remember the Romes?
Neither does Kamachi

>>287394932
The MGs didn't help him at all, so I'm expecting something between that and hard carrying. Let him figure out how to get away from Stiyl but will stop Kanzaki because there isn't a damn thing he can do if she spots him.

>>287393516
I mean that probably true but I can't help but feel like Kanzaki's early fights like against Misha, Acqua, and Carissa were more impressive than a lot of stuff transcendents outside of Mama, HT and Mut were doing.

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>>287395700
Let’s pray a good artist can adapt GT so we can see how awesome they are

>>287395700
Kanzaki WILL job to Hammyzura and you WILL enjoy it.

>>287395165
Imagine when Touma gets Misaki pregnant. It will be him, Misaka and the baby all suckling from those puppies.

>>287395894
I don’t buy it
Kanzaki’s body is not as fragile as non-Gunha lv5s for Hamazura’s tricks to matter

>>287395940
>he thinks Hamazura's bullshittery won't scale with his opponent
L O L

>>287394371
>>287395165
Touma and Misaka’s property(priority for Touma first).
>>287395894
>>287395940
>>287396039
Hamazura’s luck vs Kanzaki’s luck. It’s gonna end with Hamazura transforming into super hamazura to overpower, fuck kanzaki into submission, and have her join his rebellion.

super Hamazura is not real
It’s just a made-up title sprouted by Kinuhata

>>287396505
That's what super Hamazura wants you to believe.

>Mikoto
Unironically what went wrong?

>>287396765
Nothing. She would be happier than ever in the middle of a Touma and Misaki sandwich.

>Aleister forgotten
h-he’s coming back too…

>>287395940
>accelerator slipping on ice scene
Kanzaki can't stop it

>>287396456
>Kanzaki finally finds someone luckier than her
This is how she will be stolen from Touma's harem

>People talking about Hamazura stealing girls from Touma's harem now
Too far. We don't joke about that here.

Kingsford needs an SS depicting her journey to turn hell into an amusement park while waiting until Touma & Aleister die

>>287396505
Excuse me!
His title is the end of the century emperor

>>287396871
>>287396893
The moment that happens, Touma is gonna do a yujiro and show hamazura the woman inside of him.
>>287396765
Simple, people overestimated her importance ever since the start. She was always treated as a joke for the entirety of OT and NT. Railgun really made everyone overestimate her importance despite her jobbing in almost every arc of railgun as well.

>>287396893
>>287398427
Kanzaki is on the outer skirts of the harem. It will be like how Touma didn't react to "Unabara" being into Mikoto.

>>287397214
It would be her and Johann playing doom “irl” and no diffing all of hell. Along with some farming that they can somehow do.
>>287398634
Touma’s is closer to Kanzaki than he is to Misaka due to events in OT like 4, 16, the British revolution, and other misc events.

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>>287398634
You're forgetting what happened to the last guy who messed with Touma's harem, and that involved both Misaki (whom he can't even remember), and Mikoto (Etzalibara got a pass because Touma thought he was dying). It doesn't matter if Kanzaki's in the "outskirts" of the harem, these girls are all Touma's treasures, whether they realize it or not.
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>>287395307
Tbt literally the entire faction was neutered. Gods right seat are all either weakened or dead, magical artifacts are destroyed, and factions aligned (like agnese) joined the Anglicans. Only the (new) pope can do anything anymore.

I want to punch Mikoto and Misaki.

>>287395307
They were about to nuke ac lest volume

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>>287400665
Me too. With my penis. Right on their wombs.

>>287396765
People expected her to be promoted into a main character because she's popular.

>>287395894
>>287395940
>>287397539
>Kanzaki is a samurai
>Hamazura is an emperor
Kanzaki will kneel.

Lessar deserves her own spinoff

>>287398427
>She was always treated as a joke for the entirety of OT
Lets not pretend like Mikoto wasnt being set up to getting steadily closer to Touma in the later half of OT/beginning of NT.

The only spinoff Lesser deserves is the one she'll do in the air after I slap her in her slag face.

>>287393516
The biggest issue with Blod taking them out is that will only confirm the belief that OT and most NT characters useless to do powercreep. Especially since Blod despite her abilities was completely fodder in front of CRC, Coronzon, and even Aleister. At least with GD the more or less confirmed the Kanzaki sorta threw the the Dion fight and could hold her own against Mina.

>>287402915
Oriana calm down you won that fight anyways

>>287403041
>even Aleister
Normal transcendents have the potential to rival the magic side while Aleister had modern magic in a chokehold before he crossed the abyss with the super demon body. It's not surprising he'd slap them down.

>>287403128
GT was a weirdly poor showing for Aleister especially with him hiding behind kingsford. They made of portraying that Anna would slap his shit even before she actually got good.

>>287401549
Nogi messed up the proportion on that hand.
>>287399757
The moment Touma punches a gal or touches them with IB, she’s part of his treasure.
>>287402534
>closer to Touma in the later half of OT/beginning of NT.
She’s still treated like a joke, like fainting in a sauna. Touma rejects her help against William and rejects being saved in OT22. She gets joked around by drunk Touma, she barely does anything until NT10. The most she ever did in OT was stopping nuclear launches with help from the sisters.

>>287403277
It was decidedly Aleister in my opinion. Why attack head on when you can go grab a weapon that will guarantee the win? He did the same to Westcott and Mathers and basically did it with the MGs.

>>287403041
>CRC, Coronzon, and even Aleister.
Yeah? Everyone gets their ass handed to them by top dogs of the series

>>287403315
You say that like he didn't seal her ass in disc the moment he confront face to face

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>>287403079
slagssar came out with more relevance though

>>287403315
Touma rejecting her help isnt a "joke" though. She has some jokish scenes, but her realizing her feelings for him and willingly abandoning AC to chase after him, assaulting a base, then stealing a plane to try and save him isnt whimsical or jokey. Though Touma showing back up again out of the blue was jokey, it was still very clear she was effected by it, and she was determined on tagging along for NT3.

In fact, NT3 caused a lot of asspain specifically because all this build up for Mikoto's first magic-side tag along led to being regulated to the purity ring nonsense and then being ditched. The other problem being that her and Accel's first re-meeting also played out dismissive/jokingly. It felt jarring and I specifically remember people being perplexed because it felt like this would be a big novel in the way for her character, yet nothing happened and she just fell off a cliff for awhile in the narrative.

>>287403909
Though the rings were treated mostly as a joke, the narration was talking about how things might have changed if she found the courage to give it to him. Likely being he wouldn't have run off by himself and brought her into his circle.

>>287403993
>>287403993
Sure, but then what was the point of all that build up if it ended as "well she's too tsun" and then nothing comes of it for dozens of novels? It honestly feels like he was setting her up to be a full time team mate and then her hard veered away. This is coming from someone thats pretty neutral to Mikoto overall.

>>287404252
>She’s been with us since the very first volume, a lot of information has been presented along the way, and she has accumulated a number of emotions. Sometimes she is becoming aware of her romantic feelings, sometimes she is feeling the shock of being pushed away, and in New Testament 10, she gave Kamijou a pat on the back to see him on his way. But “right now”, what is she thinking, what is she worrying about, and what is she trying to overcome? My answer to that is Misaka Mikoto’s troubles here in New Testament 13.
This could have been something he decided when starting NT or his intention from the beginning, but Kamachi's overall plan for her is to chase him for better or worse. And to be honest, Touma didn't really have teammates until Othinus. Even Index, the resident MacGuffin up through OT, was left behind all the time.

>>287403503
>didn't seal her ass in disc the moment he confront face to face
What the fuck are you even talking about?
>>287403041
>>287403457
Literally everyone, including the magic gods, gets destroyed by those 3. Only Touma and Alice are stronger than them (you can’t argue kingsford to be stronger than the later 2).
>>287403552
Both these women here would happily let Touma fuck them with his dragon cock, get filled with his cum, and let him claim them.

>>287404428
>And to be honest, Touma didn't really have teammates until Othinus. Even Index, the resident MacGuffin up through OT, was left behind all the time.
Yes, which is why it felt like he was really setting up something, especially with bringing Accel and Shiage into it too. It felt like they might rotate them as Touma's main "supports". I dont know, maybe Im not articulating it well, but it just feels off.

>>287404683
>including the magic gods
Nah, CRC lived entirely on deceiving his opponents. Get straight up told that Index would have been able to shut him down if she wasn't tricked. Coronzon is debatable due getting stabbed up back in NT but having an endless bag of counter magic in GT. Plus Niang Niang is still the only thing to harm her without Coronzon getting debuffed before hand. Aleister is even lower on the totem pole. He couldn't fight the weaker version of Anna who was weaker than no Avatar Aiwass. He was getting juiced very hard for GT9.

>>287404903
>Get straight up told that Index would have been able to shut him down if she wasn't tricked
To be honest, it's not like her knowing what would be a good countermeasure has prevented her from getting blown the fuck out. Like when Ellis almost flattened her.

>>287385901
>>287386085

Railgun side is still going strong. Only Index is dead.

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>>287405024
Spell intercept has saved the day a few times. Give my little nun some credit.

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>>287405053
>Railgun side is still going strong

>>287404903
Coronzon offscreened the MGs(who were each as strong as Othinus individually) that were buffing themselves in GT13. CRC oneshot Aleister who had Coronzon’s power while being buffed by Aiwass. CRC had no buffs when he did that one shot.
>>287405053
Retard take.

>>287405070
She's doing her best. She'd at least massively upgrade from helpless to solid support. One thing that I think is important about CRC is that you just can't predict him because there's no rhyme or reason to him. He's a transcendent that's designed to be a bad knock off, which is kind of amazing how well it works for him. When he was Johann he was roughly as powerful, but fighting like a regular magician instead of mental ward patient.

>>287405108
Coronzon caught them off guard. She even checked to see if they herd what she said about being a trap. Besides sparks are the worst thing to be hit by, even Coronzon when she was canonically unkillable didn't let that shit touch her.
>CRC oneshot Aleister who had Coronzon’s power while being buffed by Aiwass
Having them inside him doesn't seem grant Aleister the whole thing. He had ask for more power later in the volume. There seems to be a notable difference between using their powers and when the Demon/angel is actually in charge of the body.

>>287404683
Neph and Niang seemed pretty unbothered by alice when they fought. To the point of Neph turning her back on Alice. Then again they all seem to be pretty confident.
>Coronzon claimed to be able to take Alice
>Alice claimed to be able to take on anything
>MG have literally never expressed fear of anything
So in the end who knows

>>287405228
Off guard my ass. In GT13, they get up, tell Touma to leave, buff a MG’s power by an MG (the text says this “ Boosting, raising, buffing, multiplying – none of those words were sufficient to describe this. This was on another level entirely from their playtime at the student dorm.”) and they get attacked after that and got offscreened.
Combined with this quote “She had been in such a hurry that the spell she formed was too powerful. This would cause Adikalika to burst and return to nothing.” Reminder, she used Magic flaming sword, which is compared to the Gungnir strike at the end of NT9.

Johann literally attacked so fast, none of the three could react. Aiwass and Coronzon (characters who are compared to and above Othinus contantly) could not see or react to his joking around, barely trying attacks.
>>287405324
Only character who is the definite strongest is Touma when using his dragon power seriously.

>>287405324
>To the point of Neph turning her back on Alice
They did just see what happens when Touma completely loses it. They were half fucking around, but it would be imperative to kill Touma first if they are going to kill anyone today.

>>287405611
Niang was buffed, Neph can't buff herself and still survived
>and they get attacked after that and got offscreened
Yes by the spark trap that they stepped into to save Touma and Alice. Which they apparently Alice and Touma had no way out of until they got there. As close jumping in front of a bullet as you can get.
>Johann literally attacked so fast, none of the three could react. Aiwass and Coronzon (characters who are compared to and above Othinus contantly) could not see or react to his joking around, barely trying attacks.
The joking around and "barely trying" was a facade that existed for purpose of hiding his magic. He literally uses it every time he gets in trouble.
>When Mama trapped him
>When Aleister took him to another phase
>When Index was trying to figure him out
>when the dragon showed up
>when Alice caught him
It's his get of jail free card. Plus as far detection goes, the MG's attack touma in front of Alice without Alice even noticing them or the attack. The same Alice that blocked CRC's diamond move with a pelican bat.

>>287405645
>They did just see what happens when Touma completely loses it.
The explicitly did not want that. Angry touma >> Angry Alice. They kept wanting to see how dying and hanging out with CRC and Anna changed him since dying and coming back in page one in the magic god instruction manual.

>>287406111
>when the dragon showed up
Not him, but he tried a loooooot of shit after the diamond magic didn't work. Some of it far more impressive than fast bullet. It just works a lot of the time and probably not energy intensive.

>>287405611
Not taking shit seriously is a buff for CRC. It's a part of the CRC cosplay. His capricious nature is brought up constantly. The combo of his personality and Dragon king was causing direct effects on the world around them. Deviating from that personality is why he is weaker in GT11.

>>287405053
Somebody break the news to him lol.

>>287385901
>IF DEAD
>Railgun DEAD
>AB DEAD
>Mental Out soon to be DEAD
How long until ITEM and Index suffer the same fate?

>>287406337
There is a difference between trying his best and being emotionally weakened. In GT11, Johann got his entire backstory shown, Touma experienced his attacks, and Johann had to use the Qliphoth so he couldn’t use his Rota spell which uses the Sephiroth. He is still just as strong in everything else, it’s just that Touma can easily predict him due to personality. Something only Touma can really do. “You might have the same cards in your deck, but now the more responsible Johann Valentin Andreae is in charge. You’re easy to predict. I know all your cards and you have a terrible poker face, so you have no chance of winning!!”
>>287406111
A facade, really? He was literally thinking on countering the blood Rorschach and felt anger for requiring to actually try. “Rosencreutz felt a sizzling sensation at his temple. This wasn’t like before. This emotion was anger.”
Plus, what he was doing was barely trying. He was using one attack constantly while raising his hand to fire it. He used every possible magic trick under the sun trying to fight Touma. Plus against Alice, he had his throat ripped out and had CRC identity removed.

Back to Coronzon, why would the MGs buff themselves if they didn’t think it was necessary? Both Neph and Niang see and take Coronzon seriously enough to do this. Even if they were taken down by a trap, you cannot deny that Neph buffed Niang in order to fight her.

>>287406841
Item has a good 3 volumes left in the tank and the chances of index ending in GT aren't zero but aren't high either. So another 5-15 years depending.

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>>287385901
Less than 2 months to go until we've been dead for 15 years

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>>287405053
nobody tell him

Raildex? More like DEADex, am I right?!

>>287407450
What's Raildex? We talk about ITEMdex here

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>>287407481
Oh yeah? If ITEM is so great, then how come these threads are still called Raildex? Checkmate.

>>287407504
old habits die hard, much like the herpes spread by sluten

>>287407311
3 months*

>>287407481
You will have to get Misaki to brain wash me at full output or put in an entire different phase, but otherwise I'm NOT calling it ITEMdex. That name SUCKS.

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>>287407481
I think you mean Itemgun, no more free rides for Dex which doesn't have an anime upcoming.

>>287407732
No, I mean no more Railgun period as the anime is the last hurrah, no more LARPing that Index wouldnt survive without Railgun as the reality sets in

>>287407481
Would never have guessed 10 years ago that mugino would become the face of to aru spin offs. Funny as hell.

>>287407481
Mentaldex or bust

>>287406878
>had CRC identity removed.
True but that particular magic is from st.germaine. There is no indication if being CRC mode effects it. Even if CRC is stronger than Johann it doesn't mean it will boost his spells that completely unrelated to CRC.
>He was using one attack constantly while raising his hand to fire
He used multiple spells with Kingsford and Aleister and pulled germaine shenanigans to actually win. The entire point of spell is that is too fast analyze and not a CRC move. Alice calls out that he uses those spells to appear unknowable.
>“All you did was cling to old legends. Your magic was a rehash of St. Germain. A certain right hand failed to negate it because the diamond crystal is constantly growing too quickly to be fully negated.”.
>Forcing the Anti-Skill officer to count on his fingers was also an application of that carbon-controlling spell. There was nothing unknown about CRC. It could all be explained using the Rosicrucian St. Germain.
>The knowledge contained in the grimoire library was not actually flawed or incomplete. She was never going to find the correct countermeasure if she was searching the wrong bookcase.
Don't get me wrong he definitely tried harder with Touma but was also trying and employing a deceptive strategy for everyone else.
>Back to Coronzon, why would the MGs buff themselves if they didn’t think it was necessary?
So they can win? I didn't say the were so strong they wouldn't need to try. In fact I said it was debatable. Coronzon like Aleister uses ton of spells and a lot counters. She doesn't necessarily win or lose due to raw power.

Will Kamachi ever beat Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon guy in word count?
I thought Kamachi was crazy until I found out Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon's author wrote a shit ton of 1000-word books

>>287408305
>1000-word
1000-*page

>>287408121
That's just a slightly less sucky name than ITEMdex (yuck). Let's just call it Raildex, you KNOW, business as usual?

>>287407481
I always thought these threads should be called Ingun desu.

>>287408399
But the Rail part of the dex is DEAD. Might as well just call it DEADex after all like that other anon suggested.

Regardless of GT15's outcome, we all know Itsuwa will job, right?

>>287408449
Stiyl, Kanzaki, and possibly Mugino will be in this volume. They are going to be sucking up all the jobbing energy

>>287408449
Jobbing is used indicate threat level. Even though saint isn't exactly a high bar any more, it's still indicates some minimum level of strength above a majority. Thus Kanzaki jobs. There isn't a damn soul who thinks, "wow, they beat Itsuwa."

>>287406841
>>287406908
Index will likely last until the 5th or 6th testament, Item idk maybe 22, mental out still has 4 volumes left from nogi’s own words.
>>287386168
Really want to see how she looks in Haimura’s new style and actually be in an illustration instead of being in old concept art(is that the right term to use?). Also she totally wants to see how big her onii-chan’s dragon got.
>>287408204
Whatever, we’re losing sight on what the original argument was. Best way to solve it, power ranking from strongest to “weakest”. DK Touma, FP Inner Alice, CRC, Aleister in GT9, Coronzon, MGs.
>>287408420
Even worse, immediate execution.

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When will we see HIM again?

Mikoto was probably the only first girl I wanted to win.

>>287408080
>No, I mean no more Railgun period as the anime is the last hurrah
If you say so. Somehow I doubt Railgun is truly dead if it is still getting new seasons. It will probably continue in some form or another, especially if the anime does well.
>no more LARPing that Index wouldnt survive without Railgun as the reality sets in
Ahh, you have a chip on your shoulder from some slight. Seems you are eager to cut the Railgun nose off to spite the greater Toaru face which is sad.

>>287408437
>But the Rail part of the dex is DEAD.
Nah. New season baby.

>>287408528
Never. He is in the jobber paradise now.

>>287408604
It will flop. Who cares about an anime for a manga that got axed?

>>287408528
He was a chad but let's face it. He's only good for impregnating third princess at this point

>>287408570
There's probably going to be a Kuroko spin off or something and maybe more SS, but railgun as a manga and anime are probably over after this season. No point in not finishing the anime up when it's almost caught up.

>>287408437
It's not gonna be dead for a long time with the anime coming up, and one could argue as long as Mikoto is part of the story. Besides, we don't even know how ITEM will do, by your logic, we'll have to look for a new name in less than six months if the ITEM anime flops.

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>>287408625
>>287408638
A Certain Magical Mercenary spin-off when?

Do people even care about ITEM? They always seemed so forgettable. I'm surprised their spin-off even got an anime green-lit. Besides, isn't Mugino the least popular level 5?

>>287408570
>Ahh, you have a chip on your shoulder from some slight
This is rich coming from the fag that said "no more free rides for Dex"

>>287408629
>It will flop.
It's Railgun, it will do well.
>Who cares about an anime for a manga that got axed?
Axed is a term for not selling well. The artist retired after over 20 years of success.

>>287408650
Mikoto barely does anything in GT. Railgun was her last bastion of relevancy.

>>287408704
Railgun T barely did any better than Index III lol. The new season will likely do even worse since it adapts the weaker arcs of Railgun too.

So is there any girl which is pushed by narrative as the winner? Or is that another series which can’t stop introducing new characters?

>>287408687
Seems to have been in response to a post. Maybe complain at the fag who started it lol.

>>287408629
>Who cares about an anime for a manga that got axed?
Considering that manga happens to je Railgun? Like a trillion Chinks, for starters. And besides, Railgun wasn't axed, that's an incredibly disingenuous thing to say.

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>>287408654
It would... too masculine for the current market.
From the little flashback we have, the only cute girl would just be third princess and Vento

>>287408681
Mugino's retardation and subsequent jobbing has wrapped around to being endearing. The rest of the group is fun, the art is nice in both LN and manga. And most importantly, its not about fucking Tokiwadai.

In here at least, its been the most well recieved of the spin offs for the past year or so because Railgun was in flashback namek hell and MO is still in its first arc somehow

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Can't wait to see all people confused about this slut being alive.

>>287408736
Yes, it is in response to a silly jab with a lot more underlying shit about how railgun is giving "free rides" to Index. So when someone else fires back, dont try to play the "oh you got a chip on your shoulder" card.

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>spin-offs getting new anime instead of the main series
I have spin-off fatigue...

>>287408726
Index is likely going to win based on japanese norms, Othinus has already won by being the MC's other half, Mikoto could win if popularity mattered at all to the author, and Misaki's way in the back but holding on by pure infatuation. Though many girls are in to Touma, he barely interacts with any of them. It's probably going to be an open end if anything.

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>>287408725
>Railgun T barely did any better than Index III lol.
>barely did better than the main series
>did better than the main series
Oof. Not the dig you thought.
>The new season will likely do even worse since it adapts the weaker arcs of Railgun too.
Hopefully it is Jailbreaker + a Poltergeist style arc that finishes up Jailbreaker proper. Level Upper was a weak arc without the anime adding a ton to it and waking up Kiyama's children.

>>287408726
It was Mikoto before GT. Since GT it’s Anna.

>>287408845
Nah Anna a shit
She already fucked off
good riddance

>>287408842
You know good and goddamn well they aren't going to explain the dragon stuff.

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>>287408842
>the anime with the better anime, pacing, and quality performed better than the anime with shitty animation, pacing, and QUALITY
Imagine my shock. Maybe think carefully before you post.

>>287408806
>I have spin-off fatigue...
I love Railgun but it would be nice if they got a move on. How can we be in 2026 and not have the Othinus arc animated... pain.

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>>287408842
Railgun T would've sold worse if it got the Index 3 treatment desu.

>>287408876
Proved the fans wouldn't drop the series after Index III shit the bed so bad.

Index fans in Japan simply swallowed the pain. Nishikiori deserved hell for that shitstain of a season but Index fans didn't want to doom the series they love so they all bought the BDs and now the production committee thinks they are battered wives who put up with any awful treatment

>>287408896
I still don't get what their plan was for the Toaru Project. If they wanted to sacrifice OT to get to NT, then we would've had the NT anime by now.

>>287408897
Did you use a crystal ball to peer into alternate realities? Pretty much every Toaru fan held their nose and hate watched Index 3, the difference with Railgun T is they actually enjoyed it.

>>287408876
>the anime with the better MC and writing performed better than the anime with the worse MC and writing
Fixed it for you

>>287408946
So you're saying Railgun T still would've been loved if it got QUALITY like this?
>>287386399
>>287386389

>>287408946
I don't think you actually understood what that anon was trying to say lol.

>>287385901
They just released it at the wrong time, pretty much like DAL. If only they get released 10~15 years later, they'd be successful gacha games and survive trough that. But hey at least they contributed to 2010s anime nostalgia.

>>287408946
I mean, that means that the fandom is just pretty rabidly loyal to the main series where the general audience bought railgun because they liked it. So technically he's not wrong that it would have likely sold much less if it was a rushed mess like index was. It's not particularly something to be proud of, but it shows the difference in audience.

>>287408681
>isn't Mugino the least popular level 5?
That's technically the 6th, but yeah, she's pretty low on the totem and ITEM isn't exactly the most charismatic or developed group, even if you count her out. Still, I want to believe it'll do well because it's still a fun, edgy rump with all the Dark Side hyperviolence Raildex anime fans have grown to love. Also, modern anime mainstream audiences have zero sense of critical thinking, you present them pretty lights, muh sakuga, and (very) controlled fanservice, and they will flock to a show like bugs to an electromaster.

Imagine if Railgun's Daihasei arc was adapted in 3 episodes lol

I can't believe Carissa will die a virgin...

>>287408942
Probably a mix of Covid shutting shit down, cold feet after Index 3's reception combined with them falling so far behind the pace of the novel that they are preemptively giving up. In the good timeline we got a consistent Index season every 2-3 years and thus would be starting GT season 1 about now.

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>>287409007
Leave Carissa to me.

>>287408985
>where the general audience bought railgun because they liked it
The fandom is pretty loyal to Railgun too. Some people seem to forget that they are same fandom. Railgun season 1 and 2 brought in a bunch of new people to Index.

>>287408725
People will love the shit out of the new Railgun anime based on sheer hype "moments and aura" courtesy of Misaka, Kimi and Uiharu. And failing that, loli Misaki and first year Dorkoto will melt their hearts. If it does worse than Railgun T it will be because the physical media market has shrunk even further, not because it won't have an audience.

>>287409017
I would sacrifice all the spin-offs to make this timeline a reality.

>>287408963
No, it would probably be derided similar to Index 3 but still retain its watch numbers... just grumpily.

>>287409086
>aura
I hate this zoomoid term so much it's unreal.

>>287409083
You got it all wrong.
Some Index fans might buy and read Railgun.
But people who started with Railgun will never consider reading Index.

>>287409139
I don't believe you, like at all. Also some? I don't even think Index only's are even a thing.

>>287409108
Me too, but it is what is, and credit where it's due, it describes the superficial mindset o post mid 2010's anime watchers very accurately.

>>287409083
There's definitely overlap, but logically there should be a much wider gap between the 2 if the numbers were the same based on the quality of the anime. And from what I've seen there are a lot more people that hate index that follow railgun. The best explanation is there are more hardcore index fans than hardcore railgun fans, but more people like railgun in general.

>>287409182
I'm Index only, as a matter of fact. In fact, I never bothered to read any chapters of the Railgun manga or any other spin-offs except for Dark Matter and refuse to watch the Railgun anime. I am ashamed to admit... but I felt an immense sense of schadenfreude when I heard that the Railgun manga ended.

>>287409182
I can assure you Railgun fans have no interest in Index.
The target audience is far too different.
Railgun is Cute Girls Doing Cool Thing and it attracts THAT kind of audience.
Index focus on 3 male protagonists. I don't have say more for you to get why Railgun fans are not interested, right?

>>287409222
>And from what I've seen there are a lot more people that hate index that follow railgun.
I've seen the opposite, Index fans angry Railgun exists. Maybe Misaka fans annoyed that she keeps getting dunked on in the main series or her dynamic with Touma doesn't grow.

>>287409250
Plus the cute girls featured in said spin-off are reduced to playing bit parts and amount to nothing more than side characters that have little overall impact on the plot.

>>287409266
Are you only here? Because man, no. No. The index hatred and disgust it's pretty intense out there. And even then most people here turned up for the railgun story time.

>>287409244
You should read and watch it. There is a ton of Index adjacent works including Railgun novels just sitting right there waiting to be enjoyed. No time like the present. ITEM too, it's all great.

>>287409275
Because the spin-off is like a pond, the girls can look cool there because they are big frogs in a small pond.

>>287408842
>Oof. Not the dig you thought.
It is though, Index 3 was a fucking TERRIBLE adaptation. The fact that it barely did better despite being the more popular part of the series and having a good adaptation is alarming

>>287409250
CGDCT's is mostly a season 1 thing and anime original at that, most of those types fell off with the Sisters arc. Now the fanbases are pretty much the same, Railgun onlys are a small percentage.

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>>287409304
I considered getting into side stuff for a while, but the Index III fiasco blackpilled me so hard that I became disillusioned with all the spin-offs as a whole. It also made me lose a lot of the enthusiasm and excitement I had for the main series too. I haven't visited these threads much for years now despite regularly posting in them before.

>>287409139
>>287409250
I got into railgun from the recent storytime and Im now watching Index 1 to see if I like it before moving to the manga (?). I like it so far, Im at the part where everyone is getting face swapped so Touma's mom is Index and his cousin is Mikoto

>>287407481
This is Railroad town

>>287409452
Whatever you do, don't watch the 3rd season. The manga is actually a decent adaptation other than skipping 2 arcs. It's currently adapting season 3's material and it's doing a pretty good job so far.

>>287409354
>It is though, Index 3 was a fucking TERRIBLE adaptation. The fact that it barely did better despite being the more popular part of the series and having a good adaptation is alarming
Not really. They both made bank, fans turned out for both. I don't think Index 3 being good quality would have materialized that many new watchers, I think it might have outsold Railgun but not by much.

>>287409452
The manga skips the second and fourth arcs. So it’s best to read the LN after watching.

>>287409266
>I've seen the opposite, Index fans angry Railgun exists
Literally the only time Ive seen this is when some obnoxious railgun anime-only faggot is acting like Railgun is perfect and Index would be nothing without it, blah blah blah, and people tell them to fuck off. Even that has died down to once in a blue moon.

We're miffed and a bit jealous that Railgun got all the support anime-wise. But hating Railgun itself? Nah dude, Indexfags follow everything barring 1 or 2 fags that have some asspain over Mikoto specifically or whatever

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I will never forgive Miki. He should've done something to stop JC from rushing Index 3.

>>287409505
I think it's fine to read the manga after checking OT2 and OT4.
It did a good job with other arcs

>>287409481
yea I heard as much about season 3, someone told me to watch season 1 and see if I liked it
>>287409505
alright. I might honestly do both and just like follow along with the arcs it pertains too. Im guessing the two arcs are the one with the Izzard guy and the one that Im on now? Unless the anime skipped something too. I think this is the fourth arc, its right after accelerator

>>287409543
When you are told it's now or never to a studio that clearly doesn't care that much about the IP, I don't think there's much you can do unless you have photos of the CEO sleeping with someone's wife or something.

>>287409598
>Unless the anime skipped something too
both 2nd book and 4th book got done dirty by the anime since they squeezed them in 2 episodes each

>>287409613
They should've just let Nagai direct Index 3 instead of Nishi the comedy director.

>>287409617
Oh. Why did they skip so much on those two arcs specifically? They dont seem to be intrinsically related outside of magic focus.

>>287408963
Honestly. When it comes to Index 3, I feel animation quality is a far distant second to pacing. They squeezed about 32 episodes worth of content into 26 episodes and that means everyone is fast talking, tons of dialog is cut or shortened and there is no time for ambience, just rush, rush, rush.
I think if you kept the same animation quality but did one 20 ep season and one 12 episode season for WW2, then people would be happy without needing to match Railguns animation quality.

>>287409657
They probably just wanted to get to juicier arcs faster. Although, ironically Arc 4 is one of the most important ones to the overarching plot.

>>287409657
Because
>if 2nd book content is shortened, they can get to Misaka SISTER arc faster
>if 4th book content is shortened, they can get Accelerator, Last Order and another Misaka content faster
That's it, really.
Same reason manga completely skipped them.
which is a shame because neither adaptation showed the reason why Touma established his no-kill rule

>>287409664
I still remember how anime-onlys were confused with Mugino showing up to WW3 with a missing arm since the anime cut the part where she blew it off during her first fight with Hamazura lol.

>>287409657
They just aren't top tier early books and if any of them were going to see extra scissor marks it would be them, over Index or Sisters or Three Stories. Shame they just didn't make a 26 episode season and give them another episode each.

>>287409646
Nagai wouldnt have done much better, if at all. Like maybe he would have had something better than digital zeros for zero ni suru, but then again maybe not. Its way easier to adapt a manga than an LN. Regardless, the main culprits were lack of time and talent and not enough episodes. The questionable directing was just the shit cherry on top of the shit pile. So, maybe Nagai would have directed a few scenes better, but that wouldnt have fixed the pacing or the dogshit animation. And since its Nagai, he might have added Saten filler or some dumb shit

>>287409617
OT2 and 4 got 3 episodes each. OT1 got 6, OT3 got 5, OT5 got 3 (with some editing that went into the second season), and OT6 got 4. Which is why Index 1 felt the best paced instead of everything getting 3 regardless of length.

>>287409646
That wouldn't fix the inherent issues of being fast production time and limited episodes. Maybe he could call in some more key animators, but that would be lipstick on a pig.

>>287409724
Isn't Nagai adapting the ITEM anime, which is based on the LNs? There will no excuse if ITEM ends up being good.

>>287409685
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>>287409717
NTA obviously but then why didnt the manga skip iceboats?

>>287409735
ITEM has manga adaptation so Nagai would have an easier time

>>287409726
>>287409724
Nagai has better connections than Nishi. It still would've been shit, but at least it could've been pretty shit with sakuga moments.

>>287409657
No mikoto. That’s the reason they told the manga artist to skip OT2. Don’t know why OT4.
>>287409598
The 4th arc in the anime and 4th arc in the LN have the same premise, are so different it makes you wonder why’d they change so much.
>>287409701
>the anime cut the part where she blew it off during her first fight with Hamazura.
There are levels to incompetence and stupidity. This is opm season 3 levels of bad continuity.
>>287409742
Guessing Chuuya decided that he is adapting the rest of OT, no cutting volumes out(other than SS2).

>>287409764
Yeah, I would've tolerated the pacing if big fights like Accel vs Kekine, Accel vs Touma Round 2, Acqua vs KL, etc. looked cool at least.

>>287409764
Does he? I recall a lot of people that worked with Nagai said they'd have liked to work on index but were booked. That could be nip decorum, but that's all we have to go on now.

>>287409735
Theres some ITEM manga to go off of. But yea sure, if he does well then fine. It still wouldnt have saved Index 3 because it needed 10 more episodes then what we got after Nishi already begged for 2 more. And not having the animators to actually, you know, animate is also a massive problem.

Again, maybe he would have done slightly better, but nobody could have saved it. The best case scenario would have honestly been to focus entirely on highlight parts and deliver some sakuga for anticipated scenes, and even that is not great

So what are they gonna do after Railgun F and ITEM? Adapt Mental Out or Kekine's spin-off?

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>>287409796
Nagai might have shined with certain arcs for atmosphere, like OT15. I still maintain that they could have really made it cool if half the shots were from underline POV. Like this shitty mock up