Yeah this is completely true and unfortunately is something I am not involved in as a 20 year old NEET living at home. Back in high school I burnt out pretty severely in my academics and began to resent the idea of even going to college as I thought I would suffer the same way I was in high school with the workload and all of the studying. But now at 20 and being completely isolated I started to realize that one of the most important if not the most important part of going to university is to physically be around people of your age and to be in a community where you can socially interact and create long term relationships with people and build networks with them.

>>34151388
That's cool and all but you shouldn't resent them, you should have fun doing it

>>34151388
>I am now only befriending people in the hopes that they would give me something in return (ie jobs, clout, academia, etc). There are people who I hang out with, and buy drinks and gifts for just because I think they are useful to have as friends. I even mark down their birthdays to appear like a good friend who cares about them.
How very very sad it must be to be you

>>34151388
Okay but you are going to "network" with other useless college kids. Even if you know them they can't actually get you a job anyways. They can get you a referral at best but that's no guarantee. So basically you are jumping through hoops with zero tangible benefit.

>>34151731
For now

>>34151388
Success actually depends on what your definition of success is. You might define success as having a lot of money so then it makes sense to do what you're doing. But for me it's having a gf and people who care about me and celebrate my birthday for example, that is earned by being a genuine person. Genuine means one who is honest, one who doesn't use you for an ulterior motive. Rarely gifts are given. Very rarely. Aiming to get gifts from others will most often land you disappointment.

So yeah dude, but you're American, so your society sucks anyway. I'm in the Netherlands where people are genuinely nice to each other.

>>34151388
Only incapable people need to be dependent on someone else more competent for advancement, but yes most people are incapable. If you weren't goal oriented at 12yo then you're probably not one of them.

>>34151731
>So basically you are jumping through hoops with zero tangible benefit.
getting to know people around your age with common interests is a benefit

>>34151466
Where did I mention anything about resentment?
>>34151731
You live under a rock.
>>34152203
Yes dude, it’s a “work smarter not harder” world. It’s not about what you know. It’s about who you know. Am I supposed to lay down and rot just because I wasn’t ambitious and organized at 12 years old?

>>34151873
You are 100% correct. I hate the way my society is arranged, but it’s either I play the game or I lay down and rot.

>>34151432
Yup. Even if you get into a meme degree like political science, you can still have many opportunities to meet useful people.

>>34152924
>Where did I mention anything about resentment?
You said
>>34151388
>I fucking hate living like this and the dishonesty eats me up inside
That's called resentment

>>34154400
I went to art school and I didn't like any of them except for one but I didn't trust him enough. So I dropped out without any connections. I wouldn't want to do anything with them either.

>>34154866
You were implying that I resent the people I manipulate. I don’t. I just resent the way things are, how society is arranged.

>>34154997
Okay, my bad. So do you like them?

>>34155596
They’re decent people, but I don’t want to hang out with them ideally. It’s a drag. If they didn’t have something I wanted, I wouldn’t hang out with them. That’s how the game is played though.

You’re the zoomer Jeffrey Epstein.

If this thread isn't a LARP, the problem isn't that you're wrong the problem is that (much like in dating) if you're faking it or coming off as desperate it's obvious as fuck
I haven't "made it" but I fall in the category of having started a cool project that is now a (not software, not AI) tech startup company making a few million.
Yes, you need connections, but the useful ones are far and few in between. I got lucky that I met one, ONE guy in grad school who became my business partner. He didn't even consider starting a company until he met me, and here we are after nine years (FUCK ME THE TIME FLIES) of working together with a real office and employees and big important customers and shit. He had the technical knowledge, I had the vision.
Meanwhile, I met hundreds of other people in my career who seemed promising but the connection just fizzled out into nothing. I went to a HYPSM for my undergrad so I met a LOT of people who were well connected and on their way to getting rich (I met Sam Bankman-Fried once briefly when we were both college kids even LMAO). None of those connections went anyway because we didn't share the dream. That was the difference with my business partner and I, we had some genuine connection and shared passion.
You can't live a lie, try to find people you're naturally drawn to and make friends, you'd be surprised who you might meet. The richie-riches and young-up-and-comers and corporate heirs are probably going to flake out on you at some point anyway because a lot of them tend to be shallow.
Also
>The idea that you can just apply to a cushy job
That's not true, as long as you're not a scrub it's easy to get hired at a Fortune 500 as just another body. Conversely, you don't need to get hired at a Fortune 500 to get a cushy job in the first place.

>>34158418
>>34151388
Oh just wanted to add, now that my business is large enough that we're getting serious attention, I get a lot of people trying to cozy up to me for jobs. People have even brought me food to my office and stuff, girls flirt with me to better their chances, people that supply the materials we use trying to be my friend at corporate events, etc. It's extremely obvious what it is and I don't like it.

>>34158332
Aren't we all zoomer Jeffrey Epsteins?

>>34151388
>I go the extra mile to remember people's birthdays. I'm a manipulative monster.

It's not the actions, it's your motivation that's eating you.

>>34151388
>is through having connections

Yeah that's something your parents should've taught you and helped you achieve when you were a kid. Build social circles and get invited to activities, make useful connections and get girlfriends this way. Literally the only alternative if you're not doing this is to be so goddamn amazing and skilled that people just gravitate to you naturally on their own despite you not actively trying to make friends.

>>34159259
>so goddamn amazing and skilled that people just gravitate to you naturally on their own despite you not actively trying to make friends.
This actually had the opposite effect on me.

>>34159259
>Yeah that's something your parents should've taught you and helped you achieve when you were a kid.
What if I was just too autistic?

OP here. After reading your replies, I realized that my life is fucked.

>>34159814
How come? And who are you referring to?

>>34159848

This guy >>34158418 is telling me that I need to find people who I’m naturally drawn to and relate to, but that’s almost impossible because nobody really satisfies me. I’d rather be a secret parasite. However, this plan is not foolproof

And this guy >>34159259 is right too. My parents should have helped me but they were losers as well. They knew nothing about socializing.

>>34160002
>but that’s almost impossible because nobody really satisfies me
If no one satisfies you, it's because you yourself are not satisfied. Only boring people get bored.

Anyway if this isn't one of those "trolls" where the OP stubbornly clings to one retarded idea and makes people waste time replying, being a faker isn't going to get you jobs or advancement anyway except with the most egotistical people. The types of "friends" that get cushy jobs are like high school buddies or childhood friends. My guess is that because you have no genuine interest in these people, you're not actually that close to them. No one is going to give a job to some guy on the periphery of their lives because he bought them a beer once or said happy birthday.
Only exceptions I can think of are with Jews and Indians. Both those races have sucking up ingrained as a big part of culture and are both naturally vain and egotistical. Luckily they also are now in charge of a lot of those cushy jobs you want (for better or worse). You can forget about going anywhere by being a suck up to the white yacht club kids or the YN hustlers

>>34160339
I’m not larping or trolling. I genuinely want some clarity here. I do have high school buddies and childhood friends but they really aren’t in the best place either. And I really try to hang out with these guys as much as possible.
Also, don’t be such a 2d thinker. Just because I’m not genuinely interested in them or don’t like them, doesn’t mean I show it when I’m with them.

>>34160339
>YN hustlers
What? Young nibba hustlers?

>>34160339
>Only boring people get bored
God forbid exciting people get bored.

>>34162028
I’m sure he gets bored sometimes.

>>34161232
>Also, don’t be such a 2d thinker. Just because I’m not genuinely interested in them or don’t like them, doesn’t mean I show it when I’m with them.
I'm not trying to be 2D, I'm just saying it doesn't matter what you "show." People will have their own perceptions of you when you hang out with them. Most of them will see you're not genuinely interested in them as a friend.
A better route might actually be to develop your skills to a point where they're getting you real recognition like >>34159259 mentioned. You don't need to be some phenom, but having a useful skill makes it a hell of a lot easier for people to take you aboard onto whatever venture or project they're leading. For instance, if you had cybersecurity knowledge you could help a friend with a business set up his IT infrastructure.
>>34161950
I mean as much as I don't like them, some of those little niggers do have drive and work hard. Their goals of becoming a professional athlete or musician or streamer might be retarded longshots, but a few of them put in the work and make it like KSI and his crew.
>>34162028
The point is that if you genuinely have a hard time finding and enjoying human contact with at least some people, something's wrong with you. Being an obsequious parasite only gets you anywhere with Indians and Jews.

>>34152924
>Am I supposed to lay down and rot just because I wasn’t ambitious and organized at 12 years old?
Yes, you would be happier. Living a normal life is fine. Most jobs are "cushy" jobs where nothing really happens and cool promising projects are only cool when you have no risk of financial ruin or deadlines.

>>34151388
You sound like a brown person surrounded by brown people.

You're a narcissist.

You are not as smart as you think you are.

Everyone around you is aware of what you are doing.

Kys

>>34163230
No I would not be happier and living a normal life is not fine for me. If my aspirations don’t work out, I’ll either kill myself, stay in bed all day, or stare at the four walls in my basement. That’s all that would be left for me, and I’m sure many young men feel the same.
>>34163271
I’m actually white and quite a few people I surround myself with are white as well. And what makes you think they’re aware of what I’m doing?

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>>34151388
You are not special.
Life is exactly as you described.
Everyone does exactly what you are doing.
The problem is inside you.
Your vision of morals, ethics, what is right and what is wrong etc.
Try to see social behavior from a more general perspective.

See animal behavior of social animals. Monkeys, wolves, even frogs...
Humans are not special at all. A myriad of behaviors are almost mirroring what they do in the jungle.
It al goes down to survival.
Thriving in society, getting a good job, a healthy wife, and financing successful offspring is all that matters in the end. Because there is an end.
You close your eyes and die, and your DNA keeps going, and that's all.
So keep fighting in society.
Perhaps if some christian raising is stopping you from advance, please read "On the Genealogy of Morals"

>>34163427
>No I would not be happier and living a normal life is not fine for me. If my aspirations don’t work out, I’ll either kill myself, stay in bed all day, or stare at the four walls in my basement. That’s all that would be left for me, and I’m sure many young men feel the same.
See it's shit like this that makes me think this is a troll. It's like fucking Schooler or the trannylarpers. Fucking waste of time.

>>34163776
>*BUUUURP* LOVE IS JUST A CHEMICAL REACTION MORTY GOD'S NOT REAL *BUUUURP* I TURNED MYSELF INTO REDDIT MORTY, I'M REDDIT RICK!

>>34165002
>come here to openly express myself on an anonymous image board
>way more honest and sincere here than I’ll ever be irl
>”ummm this must be a troll”
That’s crazy lmfao.

>>34165039
Yup. This board has gone soft.

>>34163209
>The point is that if you genuinely have a hard time finding and enjoying human contact with at least some people, something's wrong with you.
There are people who I enjoy spending time with, but they are few and far between. It’s like only one person.

>>34151388
You don't need connections to run an Ebay store or make succesful trades.
>>34151544
Yup
>>34152203
I agree with you I ignore women

>>34165039
>That’s crazy lmfao.
Bro you're the one talking about killing yourself if you don't get some sinecure by manipulating a "friend"
>>34166184
I've been on 4chan longer than you've been alive.

>>34166811
Isn’t a life of mediocrity (at best) so terrible though?

>>34167880
Yes it is. How would an ideal life look to you?

>>34167880
Life is life. On the one hand I'm grateful to God every day circumstances lined up to let me pursue my dream but on the other hand if you don't look at every day as a chance to get more and more then you will never make it.
It takes ten years to be an overnight success. You don't think a decade of mediocrity, of eating ramen and driving a beater while you hustle, is worth it?

>>34168200
>yes it is
Well thank you for agreeing.
>>34163230
It’s very telling that you also equate “laying down and rotting” with living a normal life. What are you arguing for?

>>34151388
Congrats on figuring all this out. People are like plants. Sometimes it doesn't matter how strong or smart of a plant you are, how good you are at doing plant things, if you in a bad environment without water or light, you're just going to wither and die regardless. It helps to think of yourself as a plant with legs sometimes. In some cases it's more important to be somewhere than actually be the prettiest smartest plant in the room, it's all for nothing if you're not in the right place at the right time.

>>34168200
Kek you just agreed with OP’s point.

>>34168864
>Well thank you for agreeing.
>>34171465
I wasn't that anon, btw

>>34168957
Most socially aware take in this thread.

>>34172994
>well thank you for agreeing
What are you trying to say with that green text?

>>34165005
LOOOOL I LOST IT, THANK YOU

>>34175323
Nothing. He replied to two anons and I wanted to highlight which guy I was

You could be like me who actually had an absurd amount of connections but squandered every single one of them due to autism, off the top of my head:
>a literal billionaire, with a B
>rich 8figure friend into exotic cars, dating a famous model with 10M IG follows
>famous rapper
>guy who become the public face of a community, made a company, and hired many of his friends to work for him, had a news article in every single major news company not too long ago
due to autism and immaturity back then i never made any deeper connections. and i have to live with this every day while being poor

>>34151388
you are mostly right. but only partialy : you should try to be someone likeable so other ppl befriend you as well or admire you as well.
try to have connections with other ppl that are older. if you are young, don't hesitate to message ppl that interest you on linkedin, ask them your questions, they will often offer to meet you and most ppl want to feel usefull, they will help.

>>34175514
>due to autism
Can you please be more specific?

>>34175547
What if no one on LinkedIn interests me?

>>34175583
well u want a job trough your connexion, wich job ? what field ? find someone in that field. it is that easy

but asks like 10 ppl or more for connexions every day or else you will be limited because ppl will be 3rd not 2nd

>>34175891
>ppl will be 3rd not 2nd
What does this mean?

>>34175547
>don't hesitate to message ppl that interest you on linkedin, ask them your questions, they will often offer to meet you and most ppl want to feel usefull, they will help.
Ew, I don't want to get cooped up with my competition, gross.

>>34175547
>>34175891
Saar please be doing the needful and not be posting on 4chan if Indian saar
Bastard benchod we do not need more of the Indian, please remove yourself from website

>>34176091
well you cannot message someone if you have no common connexion. if you are connected you are first, if you have common connexions, you are 2nd and if you have none 3rd

>>34176446
wtf are you talking about ? godamn niggers

>>34176730
Oh, I see

You can all laugh and bitch at OP, but he’s unfortunately rational for being this way. Zoomers need to be psychopathic fucks now.

https://youtu.be/Gle9blrxcXw

>>34163776
>Thriving in society, getting a good job, a healthy wife, and financing successful offspring is all that matters in the end.
You don't need any of this to survive
At most, offspring that produces offspring to ensure a "longer" survival but after that nothing guaranteed

>>34176829
Very good video, for once
That thumbnail cracked me up, even if it's misleading clickbait

>>34176829
OP here. Thanks for showing it to me. This is exactly what I’m going through, and what I’m sure many other zoomers are going through, but the oldfags in this thread just want to make fun of me for it.

>>34152924
>Am I supposed to lay down and rot just because I wasn’t ambitious and organized at 12 years old?
you should have realized by age 12 that life is shit and started figuring out a plan. if your parents aren't paying your way through life, you can either be fake or be good. if you aren't fake, rich, or good, there's basically no chance of getting rich and even being middle class might be hard. if you want to get rich by getting really good at music or something, and you don't have rich parents, you're probably going to be poor the rest of your life. Because to even do that you need to find a way to support it. If being a normie sucks to you, then, you can still invest. I was going to just be a normie and invest and I'd be rich but I was forced to try to get good at music just bc my situation was so fucked. I did get good but I did not make it lol

>>34179503
So what are you doing now and how old are you?

>>34176829
>>34178711
>>34179452
T B H even though yes the modern world seems to be purpose built for fucking young men (especially white young men) out of opportunities one day, this smacks of defeatism.
So many zoomers are throwing up their hands and saying "why should I bother if the game is rigged?" without even realizing they couldn't play if they tried. When I was in school pre-smartphone proliferation, it seemed like every kids had some little thing going on in their lives. Even if it wasn't a moneymaking skill, it still contributed to their development, gave them some individuality.
Now it seems like the vast majority of the young generation are terminally-online shitheads who don't do anything and have no skills. You do have a few exceptions that are killing it in different niches, like drone tech or crypto or AI, but I've met so many zoomers that are completely useless and have no ambition besides "durr I wanna be rich and have bitches like Andrew Tate"
>>34179503
While I and most of the "successful" people I know "woke up" to reality around our early teen years, it's entirely possible to get into the game in your early or even mid 20s if you take it seriously. It's when your age begins with a 3 or higher that you're pretty much cooked if you haven't set yourself up for success.
But like I said above, the main problem is most zoomers don't want to "do" anything, they just want the money and lifestyle.

>>34179723
Good point desu. However, that shouldn’t be a surprise when we centre education around job-seeking via finance, stem and law. Having individuality by being literate or creative is not the way to “win” unfortunately

>>34179723
>without even realizing they couldn't play if they tried
Because the game is rigged or because they're terminally online?

>>34181009
What happened to just having hobbies like fishing or some shit like that? It doesn't have to be a moneymaking hibby

>>34181590
I’m noticing a resurgence in fishing and hunting among some zoomer guys. Big deal though.

>>34182463
>I’m noticing a resurgence in fishing and hunting among some zoomer guys
I am not

>>34184716
Well, I live in a major city in the West and I’ve been noticing that for some reason. I think it has to due with right wing and “alpha male” influencers promoting these hobbies kek

>>34186046
It's just the right pushing Westerners into for manual labor jobs

>>34186410
That’s true as well.

>>34151388
>seeing people as a means to an end
>instead of making yourself useful
backwards solution

>>34186410
You can make big bank in the US in blue collar. My younger brother makes more laying carpet and tile in project houses being paid by the state than my ex did as an engineer at Boeing.

>>34187483
Yeah but only for entrepreneur manual laborers with their own companies

>>34187435
I mean, I get it. I'd rather see white carpenters fixing my roof than some possibly illegal aliens half assing shit with probably no education in their craft too.

>>34188681
However, that requires a sacrifice too: those very whites will have to do manual labor now instead of some cushy office job instead

>>34188677
He works for someone else. Yeah he's a journeyman mechanic who manages jobs, not some helper or apprentice, but still not an entrepreneur.
I actually own a company and I make less than him too. Paying yourself is the last thing you should do in a business before taking care of the other expenses, if you actually want to maintain it.
Anyway my point is you sound like a fucking bum making excuses. Get off your ass and work.
>>34188684
And they'll be making twice what most "cushy office workers" make. The only office workers making good money these days are either the top levels of middle management and higher, people in finance, or AI engineers. And none of those will ever be you, you're too stupid and lazy and useless as a human.
Really just kill yourself. Do it tonight, I presume there are trains where you live. Step in front of one, it'll hurt for less than a second.

>>34190281
I’m OP. The guy you’re responding to is not me.

>>34190281
>Anyway my point is you sound like a fucking bum making excuses. Get off your ass and work.
No, I just don't want to work blue-collar jobs again, they fucking suck ass.
>And none of those will ever be you, you're too stupid and lazy and useless as a human.
I actually already work in finance lol. What are gonna do now, cry?

>>34195209
OP here, and I agree with you. Non-lofty and non-sinecure jobs are terrible. The jobs themselves have you busting your ass for not much reward (even if the money is fine, you won’t get a sense of status or belonging), and the co workers have a big chip on their shoulder and are usually rude and vulgar. Stay away.
How did you get into finance though?

>>34190999
It's true for you too you little bitch
>>34195209
>I actually already work in finance lol. What are gonna do now, cry?
I'm not gonna cry over some crypto kiddie who LARPs as a financier because he's coffee boy at the local JPM branch.
>>34195941
Honestly dude, really just kill yourself. You're useless. You're not as clever as you think you are, you're not as subtle as you think you are, unless you find someone truly stupid and gullible anyone who's actually done the work of building an enterprise or climbing the corporate ladder is gonna sniff you out and be disgusted.
Again though, I'm betting this is a troll like der schooler is, only instead of "you can only meet girls in school" it's "I can only have a cushy job anything else sucks"

>>34196060
Nta but ur being too harsh on OP. You sound like you’re way over 30. He doesn’t sound like he enjoys doing this shit. I don’t think he’s a bad person. He just feels compelled to do this. I’m 20 and I’m seeing guys in my age group freak out and fixate the same way op is freaking out and fixating. These are neurotypical normies, mind you. Hell, I’m starting to think like this as well.

>>34195941
>How did you get into finance though?
I did a basic economics apprenticeship which I can use to work as an accountant
>>34196060
>I can only have a cushy job anything else sucks"
It's true though

>>34199545
Bro, they won't hire anyone without a college degrees. It's the new high school diploma

>>34199545
>Stop being a lying psychopath and making fake friends
>find people in the area you want to actually be successful in
How are the two mutually exclusive? Finding people in my area of interest is basically using them as well.
>they can tell you're a sycophant anyways
Oh really, and what are the signs of this? Because from my experience, most if not all these people seem to want to keep me around, hang out with me, send me memes, etc
>>34199879
He seems out of touch

>>34201245
>Naturally making friends in your arena and finding that some have something interesting going on is how it usually works
I actually reached out to some guy I used to talk to. Turns out he's a huge cinephile like me and makes short films (already knew this beforehand hehe ;)). He likes hanging out with me and initiates them first. I'll see what I can do with him.
>The moment you try to get something out of them their suspicions will be confirmed
There is probably some truth to this which is why I like waiting and being subtle. But get this. I do have someone I kept around as a friend for these past years because he seems useful. Just a few days ago, I needed a professional reference to apply to a political internship, and I asked this friend if he can write up some bullshit letter of reference saying how I worked at his short-lived company he co-founded. He agreed to write it.. Although I am not certain I will get accepted since everything is so competitive, I also would not be surprised if I did get accepted. His letter is a huge plus. It was well-written, flattering, and he even flaunted his credentials as a POC law student at a nice school kekkkkk. So you're not completely correct here, are you? :)))). It's great to see who you can use and manipulate, That's why you shouldn't discard people you dont really want to interact with.
>Says the retard who thinks he can shmooze his way into easy success like a low-level Jew.
The system today selects for networking, high extroversion and socialization, possibly more than merit. Yes, people who can socialize their way into success exist, and have the game figured out. This is now a key pillar of NormieWorld. Gone are the days where a shut-in sperg or studycel with a great brain and talent can make it.

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Tangentially related: how do make connections as an electrician?

>>34203724
Your “friend” lied for you like that? Sounds like you got lucky.

>>34203758
Become really fucking good at it.

>>34201245
>Naturally making friends
What if I'm "autistic"
and can only make friends with like 5% of people
>Says the retard who thinks he can shmooze his way into easy success like a low-level Jew.
Acceptable concession

>>34203724
>It was well-written, flattering
You can thank ChatGPT for that, probably

>>34208683
You’re ignoring OP’s point though. He’s explaining how it is possible to manipulate people successfully and get them to do what you want (such as writing a bullshit letter of reference).

>>34158332
How is that like Epstein?

>>34210260
Epstein only established contacts to utilize and take advantage of them. OP is doing that but on a smaller and simpler scale.

>>34209496
I guess you're right

>>34214847
Heheh ;)

>>34217384
What ?

>>34220777
My confirmation bias is just making me laugh. That’s all.

>>34222336
Hilarious.

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>>34199879
>Bro, they won't hire anyone without a college degrees. It's the new high school diploma
Patently false. Kids fresh out of high school are earning six figures in the new tech economy, you could too if you actually had skills and any brains. Too bad you're dumb and useless.

teach me.........

>>34224701
Be more specific.

how do you deal with people who extend a hand in finding career opportunities? I've had this a few times, but never pursued it because I didn't have the credentials or figured it was a kind but empty gesture. do you just say "yeah, I'd be interested let's follow up another time"? honestly, I'm curious what people are thinking when they make opportunities for others like this.

>>34224356
That's just one company doing a social experiment, it's not indicative of the norm or anything.

>>34226076
He’s a retard

>>34181590
We went from a job market of young white men of good standing to a job market that includes the young, the old, men, women, the skilled, retards, browns, Chinese and literally everybody else on the planet. People cannot make enough money to support their lifestyles by just working a job, so yeah, everyone has to have a side hustle. You want things to go back to normal? Ban women and thirdies from the job market.