Befriend her gynecologist.

>>34222187
if she suggests sex she's not a virgin

>>34222187
by having sex with her... you'll know immediately

>>34222187
>How do I find out if a woman is a virgin or not before marrying her without directly asking?
You can't. Even if you do directly ask her, you still can't.

>>34222287
You think women aren't smart enough to pretend to be bad at sex?

>>34222308
kek anon

you don't get it

>>34222187
Just knowing how she is and acts. You can make a pretty good guess.

>>34222308
99% of women don't have to pretend

>>34222308
if that hymen intact, you'll know it

>>34222187
She is not, you stupid faggot. Women are all whores. If she is above 16 assume she is not a virgin.

>>34222348
This.
>It's how the womb hurts being penetrated than pushing out a penner of sexual assault.
High chance I'll regret saying this.

>>34222187
In front of the main library in New York City are two massive stone lions. They stand up and roar whenever a virgin walks by.

Why would any girl, virgin or not, want to marry you?

>>34222476
>if that hymen intact, you'll know it
Most women lose their hymen long before they have sex for the first time. A minority retain it even after they have sex. It's not a remotely reliable indicator.

Kek. This guy: >>34222476 is so naive he doesn't even realise hymen reconstruction surgery is a thing.

>>34222271
But we would both be traditionally oriented and waiting until after marriage to have sex, so I don't see when she would suggest sex before marriage unless she has a full 180 degree turn on her morals and that's when I would dip.
>>34222301
That's true, but I would rather be as sure as possible.
>>34222842
Demoralizing retard. If only 0.01% of women left are still virgins then I will find that 0.01%
>>34222476
I hope so but the main reason I even started this thread is because I don't think that's a reliable method anymore due to that hymen surgery thing and also some women might even lose the hymen through nothing sexual at all as >>34226396 mentioned.

>>34224675
I'm gonna try to decipher what the hell you just said but I'm guessing you mean, it wouldn't be comfortable for her the first time and it would feel like the peener is being pushed out? That's a sign then? Sounds like a pretty reliable indicator if true.
>>34226336
Thanks anon I'll keep that in mind.
>>34226363
Because I have 8 gorillion dollars in my bank account and powerful connections in Agartha.

>>34222395
You know what, I think this is the best reply ITT so far. It just makes sense. The most sure signs of a woman that fornicated/fornicates are all the psychological effects.

>>34226399
I know for a fact you have never had sex

>>34226396
Then why was it a reliable indicator for most of the modern era? Or did it just come out of nowhere, with no historical precedent whatsoever? And it isn't like every today woman does gymnastics.
>>34226399
that's like women saying "this guy is lying about his real height because leg extension surgeries are a thing!!!1"
Do you really think random women out there are going to go through uncommon cosmetic surgeries to impress a small percentage of the population that they aren't even attracted to? Stop pretending that you live in a manga.

>>34226888
>Then why was it a reliable indicator for most of the modern era?
It wasn't. It was *perceived* as being an accurate indicator, but it never actually was. It was not unusual for a woman to bleed the first time she had sex, because she was scared, which made her tight and dry, and he was far too violent; and people mistakenly assumed the blood was coming from a ruptured hymen. It was also *partly* because, in some sectors of society, women were less active back then - they weren't riding horses, sitting on fences, driving tractors, doing gym class, etc. And they weren't using dildos as much. And they weren't using tampons. So it was a *bit* more common for a hymen still to be intact by the time she had sex for the first time. But really the belief was *never* accurate, it was just one of those things people believed for centuries without ever actually testing scientifically.

>>34226888
>Do you really think random women out there
Look, it's a thing, okay?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hymenorrhaphy

30 years ago it was horrifyingly common in the south Asian community in Britain. The phrase "a nice little operation" entered the vernacular for a bit.

>>34226408
>I would rather be as sure as possible.
Look, anon: you *can't* be sure, okay? If I gave you a team of world-leading doctors and scientists, and a gigantic lab full of state-of-the-art scanning and diagnostic equipment, all of them couldn't even get close to determining reliably whether someone is a virgin or not. The closest you can get is to ask her; and she might well lie.

So, you're asking the wrong question here. What you should be asking is "Given that it is IMPOSSIBLE to determine whether someone is a virgin or not, how do I adjust to that uncomfortable reality?"