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You can become fearless if you have your amygdala removed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdalotomy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M._(patient)

>>34224828
Go a step beyond just reminding yourself and lay out the whole argument to yourself, from premises to conclusion. If your anxious thoughts can't form a coherent argument of their own, then you know they were wrong.

>>34224910
I did as you said, and though it was difficult, I did end up reaching the conclusion that yes, I am indeed in the right, and that anxiety just keeps bulleting already debunked stuff. However, despite doing this, anxiety started doing its thing again a short while later and now it keeps repeating the same lies about me lying to myself.

>>34227114
There's value in repetition, you may have to do it more than once. The important thing is to face anxieties and fears head on whenever they show up. They have to be conquered, not ignored. Turning your back on anxiety causes it to grow and fester, while attacking it directly will gradually diminish it over time. False ideas have to be shamed out of existence by having their absurdity exposed time and time again.

>>34227159
The unfortunate thing is, that I didn't mention in the OP since I'm stupid, is that I don't think this method will work. You see, these anxious thoughts have been coming on to me for over a year. And for over a year, multiple times a day, I've been sitting and debating them. But no matter the fact I've proved them wrong for thousands and thousands of times, they keep coming back. No amount of debating them will make them go away, and it just leads to more rumination. No amount of debate or facing them will make them go away.

>>34227114
Nta
Yeah it'll do that.
>>34227395
Okay so if these are the same "usual suspects" of anxiety then you don't need to go through the debate every time. Those thoughts are like a grade school bully. Just tell them to shut the fuck up and move on with your day.
It took me like, a decade to get good enough at this for it to actually help me stop ruminating enough to focus on time sensitive tasks.

>>34227406
Thanks for this. My plan last week was to basically just repeat myself with "anxiety always lies, this topic is not allowed. I'm right, anxiety is always wrong." It was actually working really well, though it still manifested a lot. However, last evening I had a really bad relapse into rumination, and it continued to this day as well.
The worse part about all of this is that it still tries putting in that doubt whether I'm just lying to myself, and that it wants me to start ruminating again. Like "I didn't take X into account", and then it tells me that "perhaps I just lied to myself, perhaps my emotions lied to me". And when I try to remind myself that I left the "debate" feeling confident that I had proven myself right, it goes to bombard me with ideas that make me question myself again.

>>34227443
Np anon. A little mantra like that is good. When it gets like that and you keep second guessing yourself it can be helpful to ask yourself "is debating this with myself or ruminating on it helpful right now?" Like is that a problem you need to solve right this second or are you trying to make dinner and do some laundry?

>>34227464
Thanks, that's some really good advice I didn't think about much before. I did try versions of it before, like thinking that I "can do this later", but that didn't work out back then, because I kept debating the thoughts, which just lead to rumination. The mantra has been good at stopping the thoughts from forming, so this should work now.

>>34227464
Different anon but thank you for that