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This is the thread for discussing teas, tisanes, and other herbal infusions.
Info on types of teas, where to buy, and how to brew: https://rentry.org/tea-pastebin
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>>21831247
Dunno what you consider nice, but I like some of the ones at tea habitat
https://teahabitat.com/collections/porcelain-gaiwans
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>>21831247
Have you tried your local craftsman or Etsy?
Something that will be special for (you) instead mass produced china import(although some can be nice).
Be prepared to pay up tho, some of the cool stuff I've found on Etsy costs a lot.
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>>21831282
It's sad I can't find someone in the UK who makes gaiwans, I'm tempted to learn to do it myself
>>21831258
For the drink itself, with light compression there's not much difference, pressing is for long term storage concerns/marketing
Heavy compression will affect the way it brews
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>>21831258
cakes are for making it easier to store/transport and slower aging vs loose. personally i find breaking up cakes annoying, especially bricks where they never give you extra paper and they're usually more compressed.
>>21831380
>Heavy compression will affect the way it brews
yeah, takes longer to absorb water and break up which can be good if you're drinking lao cha tou i.e nuggets of ripe pu'er, but other teas? mostly thats undesired
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>>21831247
I'm fond of Purple Cloud.
https://purplecloudteahouse.com/collections/gaiwans
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Just had some 2003 Brown Changtai again. It was quite relaxing and warming. It was nice to compliment the cold weather. So far, just kind of straight autumn leaf pile notes with a sort of sweetness and maybe a tiny bit of apricot. Got more honey-like sweetness in the latter steeps.
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>>21832001
The changtai cakes seem to have that kinda profile.
I tend to avoid the softer tea because I've found it flat but does make me wonder if I should fork out for a decent one, the 2005 changtai off KTM is pretty good. Time to bring it back into rotation actually
Teadb recommended the 2006 Zhongcha Yiwu off Quiche, which I think I'm gonna grab
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Finally got a new little pitcher for my Japanese greens.
It does the job but I hate this little rim it has, makes cleaning it out an absolute bastard because all the little leaf fragments hide there
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>>21832854
Boring is fair, I'd spin it as comfy. No holes in the taste like a lot of the cheap yiwu-ish tea I tried
>>21832869
>manzhuan
Heard of it but never tried it. Thanks for the tip
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I'm willing to bet most "yiwu" is fake just as most "lbz".
Especially the cheap and old stuff.
You will get mild tasting junk, that will get even milder with age(and let's face it 20 years ago the quality of all material was significantly lower than today).
I have some cheap 2012 "yiwu" from xiaguan and it's also bad.
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>>21832781
With my kyusu I usually fill it up once and dump the water with the big stuff through a strainer. Then I put a little bit more water in it, put my hand over the top, and give it a few (careful) shakes before dumping it into the strainer again.
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>>21833148
It doesn't have to be fake, it's probably just from young intensive plantations and not any of the best areas
Yiwu is pretty big, there was plenty of slop material to go around. It's not a tiny micro terroir like LBZ
But also Laos tea gets passed off as Yiwu, I think Jinggu does too to a lesser extent
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ive been drinking japanese greens for some years now but i still dont know much about them, different regions etc. any recommendations for resources to deepen my knowledge a bit ?
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Finally trying a xiao fa tuo I bought like 5 months ago because I saw anons shilling it on here lol. I don't usually reach for ripes in general and desu didn't have high hopes for this one at ~$0.06/g. BUT I'm drinking it now and it's actually pretty darn good. Nothing crazy nothing fancy, but it's really clean and smooth. I'd say it's almost a creamy texture and no weird fishiness or mustiness. It smells and tastes like petrichor which I think is very pleasant, and that's about it, comfy sipping. I do wish it had more body and more of an aftertaste, but for the price all can be forgiven. And honestly, just for being clean and not fishy I'd say it already beats a lot of more expensive ripes. Overall thumbs up and would buy again
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Firebat from white2tea, a smoked raw puer. It is really smoky, smells a bit like burnt rubber. The description mentions cigar/tobbaco, which describes this tea quite well. Not bad but for very short steeping only I'd say, beyond 30sec the bitter is not really enjoyable
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Only gone and smashed me bloody big teapot
Anyone tried this type? Seems like the mechanism might be prone to clogging?
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>>21834319
I've been using pic rel for more than a year now and I'm never going back. (magnetic valve type)
The sieve is very fine but it barely ever clogs. It's good for one or two people.
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>>21834332
I have them, but sometimes I brew western style out of laziness, or simmer tea, or dump a chunk of shu/white in it, so I like a nice big pot too.
>>21834333
Thanks anon, good to know
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>>21834354
Both pictures linked you need to add water, won't brew a liter there, other solution would be to have a thermos with a filter inside
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>>21834346
Grandpa style is somewhat limited to slow brewing teas and it's a pain in the ass with floating leaves in the mouth so it is not at all a universial tool. However comfy for the teas it works with.
Got myself a dedicated grandpa mug with a sieve for the leaves, works great even with lower temps, pic rel.
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Tea brewing just doesn't get any better than this, sorry.
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>>21834333
Respectfully, would you mind reporting back if any of the mechanisms break or start to leak, malfunction, rust, anything? If you drop and break it, oops whatever that's how she goes sometimes. I'm curious to know if those things have more weakspots prone to going bad assuming you avoid catastrophic dropping.
Just collecting data points.
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>>21834437
>mechanisms break
no
>or start to leak
No, the metal ball seals agains a silicone grommet and I don't see any issues coming. Maybe a long time in the future the silicone goes brittle but it lasted a year of almost daily use without issues
>malfunction
it's a metal ball and a magnet, nothing can go wrong
>If you drop and break it, oops
That applies to any kind of tea equipment. I see more people dropping/slipping a hot gaiwan than accidents with that tea maker
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>>21834437
i can see it getting clogged real fast, i have to burn my fine mesh filter clear about once a year
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>>21834472
>I see more people dropping/slipping a hot gaiwan
lol my gaiwan is an absolute trooper. I've had multiple close calls smacking it or dropping it a little height in the sink while rinsing it but it hasn't broken yet other than a pretty minor crack on the lid. meanwhile one time i bought a bunch of extra tea so i could claim a free 80ml gaiwan offer and like 30 seconds after taking it out of the box i dropped the lid maybe like 3 or 4 inches on the table and it just shattered. oh well, it is what it is sometimes
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I decided to get the Takeya pitcher to cold brew some sencha, and I am glad I did. Have no idea what tea I used, since I lost track of what was what. I used 20g of tea and left it in overnight. So far, it's nice and thick. Has somewhat of a sweet cucumber-ish taste. I really remember enjoying cold-brewed white tea, so I might make some cold brew shou mei at some point.
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lol @ this from the description:
>This tea isn't particularly inexpensive
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Farmer leaf orders arrived, one from black friday the other from the 31th december. Tang fang liang zi sample with it. Bought one of the cup wanted to try it. The Baoshan beauty doesn't smell as nice as the taiwanese oolongs I bought recently but need to wait a little to warm up and settle after the long travel anyway.
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>>21834590
Not that anon, but I also use this contraption relatively often. The weak points are: fragility of the handle (i broke one already) and filter fit with the glass (had to bend the filter a little bit). Will buy again if it breaks.
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I think this will be my YS order.
>2023 Xiao Fa
>2018 V93
>2009 Gao Jia Shan "Wild Fu Zhuan" Hunan Brick Tea (unless someone could recommend me something else. I really wanted the
2018 Mojun Fu Cha "Ming Pin" Premium Fu Brick Tea, but it's out of stock on YS.us
>2021 Yunnan Sourcing "Ba Wang" Ripe Pu-erh Tea Cake
How is this so far? Does anyone have any final suggestions? I do not want to exceed 50$ too bad. Otherwise, if I didn't order at YS.us again, I was really eyeing ordering from quicheteas again since I was really satisfised with their quarter set. I was particularly fascinated by their 2007 V93 since it was aged in more humid Taiwanese conditions. I'd probably also get some year of Xiao Fa and maybe the 2007 Mengku Rongshi "Chun Jian" (Spring Buds) cake. At the same time, I don't know if I need a whole cake's worth of one tea. Thoughts?
>>21837164
>bulk japanese greens
Don't do it, anon. You need to drink nip teas within a short period of time before they go to shit. Nip teas after their "good point" (which is usually about a year) tend to be pretty bitter and harsh. I mean, you can pan roast them to make houjicha or you could coldbrew them, but if you're buying nicer green teas, then it feels kind of like a waste.
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>>21837272
Did you see anon's bumper fu brick review post last thread? Don't think that one was in there, but worth having a look. >>21824250
Can't go wrong with the factory classics. YS's own press shu is pretty well regarded. There's just their annual price hikes to be wary of.
Seems like you're mostly interested in hei cha but I always pick up a bag of sweet potato xiao zhong when I order from YS
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>>21837272
>2018 Mojun Fu Cha "Ming Pin" Premium Fu Brick Tea
i've had the 2017 Mojun Fu Cha "Fu Shen" very nice and its about $90 cheaper than the one you picked out
>2009 Gao Jia Shan "Wild Fu Zhuan" Hunan Brick Tea
it does taste sweet, fruity and creamy. it doesnt have the murky taste fu usually has(probably from the golden flowers, which this doesn't have)
Gao Jia Shan "Guan Gong" Fu Brick, is possibly the nicest fu i've had, really smooth and thick
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>>21837451
>2017 Mojun Fu Cha "Fu Shen"
Looks pretty promising. However, I am looking for a sample and not a full brick. 38$ for 50g looks pretty hefty, although it is technically cheaper than the other sample. It looks like it puts me over budget with the other items.
>Gao Jia Shan "Guan Gong" Fu Brick
Sounds pretty interesting. However, it only looks like it's on the main YS website.
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>>21837554
Less punchy than Fa zhan he or lao man e. Lasting effect in the mouth and throat quite nice and not agressive, maybe a little less fragant than fa zhan he but might be du to recent transport.
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>>21837581
I remember Ao ne me being quite fragrant too but it's not the same price range. Endurance is good for tang fang liang zi, hard to tell if I like it more than fa zhan he or not without a direct comparison or blind tasting. I would say the mouth feel is a little bit better because it's less punchy but similar lenght effect that's the better quality over the fa zhan he I would say.
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>>21837592
>Ao ne me
Never had that one, last time it sold out real fast and it has been a while since they offered it.
From other makers, mahei from haiwan comes to mind as really fragrant.
I remember my cup smelling a long time after I was finished. Too bad they only have 500g cakes and I already have too much tea.
>that's the better quality over the fa zhan he
I kinda find fzh annoying these days.
It's all fragrance, not much else and if you happen to have water on the harder side(don't always have bottled water for every brew) then it's meh.
Mohei is better at this, that one has more going on, but overall tflz is my goto.
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>>21837621
I always have good water for sheng, little extra brewing time with fa zhan he you can push it to be punchy and not boring if you get used to it. I wouldn't do tea with bad water, same with oolongs it's ruining the session for me if I don't, had bad experiences with people brewing for me even the same tea. I'd rather wait to be home than drink bad tea.
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>>21837554
I also had some TFLZ today, it's good though I've enjoyed my sessions with my new Jingmai Autumn gushu cake more I think than this one. same pricepoint.
I would say both the Jingmai cake and TFLZ stand out for being somewhat relaxing, unlike FZH which is just caffeinating. especially the Jingmai cake
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>>21837722
I drink tea everyday for at least one full gongfu session sometimes two so it's hard for me to know which are more energizing or relaxing. Might be the difference between autumn and spring, gushu are usually sweeter on average even if jingmai can be quite punchy like lao man e.
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>>21837988
Today I will remind them.
I bought two kilos of this from King Tea Mall about two years ago and its treated me fine. It's more like a black tea than other yancha I have and it can brew up pretty strong, but not crazy strong.
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1. Why does red tea not require first step wash?
2. Thoughts on picrel? It's been more than 5 years old, I wonder if I should open this asap
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>>21838813
>Why does red tea not require first step wash?
No tea really "requires" a rinse, but they will brew differently depending on whether you rinse or not, and depending on if you let them sit for a few minutes after rinsing before the first real steep.
And if a tea has been sitting in a dusty basement for 20 years with bugs living on it, I'm going to rinse it.
I can't read Chinese, so I have no idea what that is besides tea that appears to have been produced in 2020. There's no harm in opening it up and trying some of it.
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>>21838813
>Why does red tea not require first step wash?
like anon said you only really have to wash if you feel the tea is dirty or something, otherwise you don't have to. red tea specifically gets rolled so a lot of the oils end up on the surface of the leaf and even with a quick first steep you can get a strong enough brew. therefore it's best to do quick brews at the start and increase once it actually starts tasting weak
relevant video by william: https://youtu.be/gZ5bjBxPbts
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>>21839912
Depends on how you are brewing the tea. The ratio of tea leaves to water effects how long you brew. In gongfu brewing you use lots of tea, little water and lots of short steeps. For example I use ~12g of tea in a ~150ml gaiwan and start by only steeping the tea a few seconds each time then extending as the tea gets spent. If I were doing traditional western style brewing (e.g. 1 teaspoon per cup, and minimal to no rebrewing the tea) I would probably brew the tea a couple minutes.
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>>21837272
>2023 Xiao Fa
>2018 V93
solid, good value ripes. I have both
I also have the Mengku Chun Jian cake from Quiche, it's alright but I wish I bought a 8582 instead or something. sweet and kind of bready, mellow but not very interesting
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>>21839912
>650ml water on stove top
>boil
>add 10 grams black tea (preferably ceylon, but any black tea is awesome)
>tea to boiling water
>boil 10 minutes
>strain tea through ultra fine mesh many times until it is clear
>add tea back to pot, add 500ml water to tea, stir with whisky and reboil
>pour 60ml evaporated milk or 80ml milk into cup
>add 120ml tea to cup
>stir
>enjoy
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Holy shit you were right. It tasted great. Wild Tree Purple Black tea from Yunnan, very sweet. A little too sweet for me but still really good.
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>>21831172
Is there really nothing better than yuuki-cha?
They used to be my absolute favorite until they switched to plastic packaging and machine shredded garbage.
I have yet to find tea as good as what they used to have and it's why I don't bother with tea anymore.
All my tea equipment sits unused for years now.
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>>21839939
>Although it does seem pretty expensive.
If it helps you can typically steep the tea many times this way. I probably get at least a liter and a half of good tea ~12g of dry leaf. This is also probably about as much caffeine as couple cups of coffee.
If you want less could try using a little less leaf and longer gongfu steeps. 0.5g/10ml is not an uncommon ratio even if I personally go higher. The other option is to get a smaller teapot or gaiwan. ~80-120ml is a popular size for a single person. I also mostly daily drink tea in ~$0.10/g range so that helps a well. I am fortunately in the position where I can justify spending a buck or two on tea each day.
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>Holy shit you were right. It tasted great.
Glad it worked well for you! Maybe it's just because I am used to it but I actually find gongfu brewing easier to get good results from than "western" style. You get almost immediate feedback and can adjust following steeps to taste. Also because the steeps are so short I personally don't feel the need to use a timer. I actually don't typically even weigh my tea tea anymore like I used to and just eyeball it. I will weigh my tea the next few days just to make sure my estimates are not too far off.
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>>21839938
I have a quarter of the 8582. It's pretty good. Hmmm, I also noticed that YS has the 2007 Taiwan-stored V93. In that case, I'll prolly order from YS, then. I don't know if I should get that or the 2018. Any ideas?
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Any ideas for any smaller samples (25g) of Fu cha?
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>>21839974
I have no idea where to get “high quality ceylon tea” but this is what I use atm.
If going for the HK milk tea taste, aim for fine ground or dust (i forgot what official terms were bof? bopf?) I have used whole leaves before but it isn’t as good.
I use 8-10 grams but in Hong Kong cafes, it is about 30 grams. It is supposed to be strong cause 1/3 of the cup is evaporated milk.
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>>21831172
Does anybody here only drink what they can get from their local supermarket?
>>21834319
I use a coffee plunger.
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>>21840174
The two listed in the threads guide.
I've tried 2 others I forget the name of, a few Chinese tea focused ones, and one more called "David's tea" that sold some nice equipment and cups but again, the tea was lackluster in comparison.
I love Japanese teas.
I've tried just about everything yuuki-cha had and tried them again from those other retailers if they even carried it.
Chinese tea seems to be more common online, sadly.
Last good thing I had from yuuki-cha was their white tea which is only available for a limited time seasonally and sells out quick.
Took a few years before I snagged some.
It was worth it. Beautiful, fragrant, and visually like a cup of liquid gold.
Gyokuro is definitely my all time favorite tea however and matcha is a close 2nd.
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>>21840688
Wait, when did Yuuki-cha go to shit? I ordered from them in 2024 and absolutely loved what I got. I didn't find that their packaging was shit. As for alternatives, I've tried Den's Tea and O-cha, and I preferred Den's Tea. I thought they had some good budget options - but nowhere near Yuuki-cha's level, unfortunately. I am likely going to try Hibiki-An next season.
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>>21840688
>The two listed in the threads guide
There's like 8 though.
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This was for you. lmao>>21840574
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>>21840574
This looks like fine dust so it's propably shitty quality. I also don't see why the HK routing is in any case necessary if you want to consume it outsied of PRC. Just use a higher quality western facing Ceylon brand. (I've had Twinings loose "High Grown Dimbula" Ceylon and it's pretty good but also too expensive. There are many more)
>>21840622
>Does anybody here only drink what they can get from their local supermarket?
Not exclusively but in supermarkets here we have quite a selection of loose leaf black teas and the stronger ones are perfectly fine to drink.
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Drinking some of late 90's or earily 2000's white wrapper shou brick. It does actually have a nei fei so it is not anonymous but I don't recognize the factory. The material is a shou blend heavy on huang pian and stems. Probably a lower budget tea originally but in this case I think the material used lends itself to the shou being unique and not just cheap. The taste is strongly of moth balls and aromatic cedar on top of the an earthy loam base. I haven't encountered any other tea that gives such a strong moth ball impression. It is not quite the same as camphor either. It is not my favorite tea and I am not really a shou fan in the first place but this if a fun once in a blue moon sort of tea due to how different it is. It is certainly not boring.
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>>21840855
You need fine ground tea for that concentrated flavor. I have used whole leaf ceylon. Hong Kong milk tea has a distinct flavor you won’t get with whole leaf or muh high quality ceylon.
Popular hk cafes known for their hk milk tea use a blend of ceylon. I think the blend is the secret.
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any other moldbros pick up the 80s brick from quiche? seems like a really good deal desu
https://quicheteas.com/products/1980s-glossy-paper-special-grade-raw-p uerh-brick
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>>21840855
Where do you live? Give me cities you are nearby if you’re scared. I will google up authentic HK cafes for you so you can get a grasp of what makes hk milk tea unique.
It is less about tea quality but more about tea blend.
Or get boxes of these like my parents because they don’t know anything and are lazy.
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>>21840855
Or get these if your supermarket has them. Obviously it is better to brew fresh tea yourself or go to an authentic restaurant.
You need the right tea blend or it won’t work.
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>>21840855
>Just use a higher quality western facing Ceylon brand. (I've had Twinings loose "High Grown Dimbula" Ceylon and it's pretty good but also too expensive. There are many more)
It won’t work. You need a ceylon blend. And unless you work in the restaurant industry, you are going to buy those dust blends which are close to the real thing.
Maybe you can go to restaurants and ask what they use, but it is a trade secret.
I am sure some restaurants get it pre-made from a supplier but in my vhcol city, certain restaurants still stand out for exceptional HK milk tea.
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>>21841722
I remember reading somewhere that one of the key things was Uva Ceylon.
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>>21841809
Interesting.
I will look into it.
In my cupboard I found a bag of tea labelled “hk milk tea” probably from 20+ years ago. I made it and it tasted very authentic. Haven’t found anything as close as that since. Still, >>21841709 and >>21840574 are kinda okay. It costs close to $3 CAD to buy a cup from a restaurant and sometimes more.
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>>21841708
Hmmm that sounds interesting but I'd have to sample it first before committing to a whole brick at that price, and samples are sold out. Description says
>It underwent light Hong Kong storage
but without tasting it I'm personally not willing to bet 200 bucks that the HK storage didn't make it taste overwhelmingly/mostly just like HK stored puer.
I'm sure it's not like that and it's really good though, I think I'm just trying to talk myself out of buying it. I really do wish I could sample it. Let us know what you think when you get to try it.
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>counting the days until I can order a fresh Japanese green again
Winter is hard but the hope for fresh delicious tea is keeping me going. I have other teas true but nothing gets me happy like a jappy
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>>21842055
7562 was my first shu as well, good one
Dayi are pretty consistent
>>21843777
Would you have to rehydrate the leaves a bit first?
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I'm currently drinking Teavivre's Liu Bao. It's probably the best Liu Bao I've had. This would make an excellent first liu bao to try because it's on the milder side of fermentation. That means the root cellar/dirty potato notes are a bit gentler, more welcoming. If you're unsure about whether you would like tea that tastes like dirt, this might be the one to try.
Note that the first infusions are still pretty intense with earth notes, there's no getting around that with liu bao. It's just as good as the CNNP orange box, but about half the price my weight. Good tea.
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>>21845107
I'm looking forward to eventually try one of these funny baskets or pillar tea liubaos. Something about the format is really amusing to me. The beet root notes are also intrigueing to me.
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>>21845672
If you have the space for it, owning a basket of tea is maximum comfy. Mine is from 2006 and it's delicious. There is a small curve appreciating liu bao, imo. It's a weird beverage. Those beet flavors really last and endure after the muddier flavors subside. If you thinking a basket is cool, you should just pull the trigger.
Pillar tea is typically a different hei cha called hua juan cha or sometimes qian liang cha. Different flavor profile, just as good. Mellower.
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>>21844412
It seems that the leaves need to be fresh or freshly-withered, since the glutamate decarboxylase enzymes need to be active for the fermentation. I'll have to keep an eye out for fresh leaves up here in Zone 6.
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I just placed a big order from Awazon. I had a good experience with them last year but I'm down to my last few cakes. Amongst other things I ordered picrel. I will update everyone when it arrives.
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>>21847396
Thanks. They still have more in stock. I've never seen anyone buy one. I had to search up Chinese videos for reviews. Turns out you can steam the whole thing then break it up rather than chip at it. They also used to use them whole at big events or in monasteries to make tea for hundreds of people at once.
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I thought about it. I'm based in the UK.
It costs £25 to get a small melon here 800g, might cost me £5 to send, then if I put a premium of 3x on 1p for time/costs that comes to...£25+£5. So it would be cheaper to order one.
I don't mind doing it but I'd have to think about the costs.
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Germany? You can get a shipment to Turkmenistan or Belarus but not there, kek. I also think there's a customs VAT of 19% or something. It will be a couple of months to get here; I had to get it by ship, due to the cost. When it does I'll be here to receive my (you)s/look into it more seriously.
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>>21847241
can I haz some?
>>21847670
Thats almost 20kg of tea. Do you have a strategy on storing all this?
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>>21847686
I bought one brick for a sample and I was pleasantly surprised. It really is very cheap. I like the white tea cakes as well. Really smooth and fresh to drink.
>>21847754
See >>21847513
For storage, I'm just going to put it somewhere. Cupboard, wardrobe etc. The bulk of the weight is in cakes, bricks, and melons so very compressed. I love tongs of tea, cool things, not as big as I expected.
Also I'm obsessed with old-fashioned warehouses and storage like picrel. Barrels, crates, baskets, sacks etc. So I don't mind them being in the open.
>>21847937
It's an odd one. Their duties aren't the worst nor do they lack the transport links. They deliver to half the third world as well.
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>>21848150
aight, will lurk the general until the tea made it to you and then reach out.
>>21847937
nta but I propably caused this. Ordered me some Awazon 2 years ago, parcel got seized by German customs, asked for re-ship, they didn't but refunded me and blacklisted Germany afterwards.
>tt..thanks
>still no white tea cheapies for me
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I'm tired of all these nice tea vendors shipping to the Central African Republic, Timor Leste, Belize, Haiti, Somalia and South Sudan but not to my country.
I think its because customs requires a detailed description of the product and they just cant be bothered looking up what that entails.
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Got some Dilmah Premium Ceylon Golden Pekoe Leaf Tea from the clearance store.
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>>21840893
Huh, damn. Looks like the 2007 V93 on YS is way jacked up. However, I think I'd only get a sample, anyway, because even a 250g tuo feels like a bit much of tea for me anyway. Otherwise, if I were to order the V93 and Xiao Fa on Quiche, I am not sure what else I'd get. I've already tried 2008 8582, 2010 7542, 2003 Brown Changtai, and 2005 T8652. Also tried 7562.
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>>21848799
Nice teapot. Do you notice any difference based on the pot you brew in?
>>21848851
I just checked that. What the fuck? $200/kg. That's what you pay for some first flush Jap tea. Yunnan Sourcing has always been an overpriced r*ddit site. I've had some more expensive ripes from there: 1997 Xinghai, 2017 Hai Lang Hao, and really there isn't that much difference between them and the cheaper stuff, certainly nothing to warrant the price. I think ripe is the tea to cheap out on. Raw is really where you see the difference in quality. Awazon does ripes for about $20/kg I'd get something like that, then spend the difference on a different type of tea like raw. Also try purple if you haven't already.
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>>21849082
>Nice teapot. Do you notice any difference based on the pot you brew in?
Thx I found it in a 2nd hand store. Yes the tea tastes a little bit like mushrooms.
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Tried a free sample of FL's 2024 Mangzhi today and it was surprisingly good especially with my low expectations from previous mediocre Xishuangbanna puerhs.
I brewed it in my 120ml zhuni pot, around 7g of tea and 30s rinse.
In the first brew it started with a mild the taste of black pepper, then next brew moving on to a more typical floral raw puerh taste (their site mentions it being foresty which i might agree more on than floral but i havent used that term for puerhs much before) but with a very low and soft bitterness, i got some notes of vanilla when i pushed the brewing time a bit also.
The huigan became very impressive later on in the session, slowly going from a pleasant bitterness to a milk-candy like sweetness over several (5+) minutes. The tea had a standard endurance but it never got bitter when i pushed the time.
Also i really love my yixing teapot i dont think ive had a single bad session with it, i want to buy a duanni one but its very rare i gongfu brew any darker teas that would fit it so i havent gotten around to buying one yet...
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1. How important is tea cake knife over other tools to pry open the cake (flat screwdriver, normal knife etc)?
2. Does dusty result from the tea come from skill issue or more of the tea quality itself? How does that affect the taste?
I bought a small 100g raw puer cake as beginner trial, it tasted vegetal with strange absence of bitterness and somewhat sweet aftertaste. I'm curious to try other types but I don't know if I can handle normal tea cake size.
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>>21849693
Have you tried the other "forest" raws?(tflz,manzhuan)
Would you say it's worth the price?
So far I don't think I've had anything from FL that would cost $100+ and say to myself, yup totaly worth over the usual $60 cakes, gotta get me a cake.
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>>21849752
>How important is tea cake knife over other tools to pry open the cake (flat screwdriver, normal knife etc)?
Not that important. Some cakes are so loose you can use your hands. But for tight ones, it can be useful to have a good tool. Oyster knives I hear also work well
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>>21849752
>2. Does dusty result from the tea come from skill issue or more of the tea quality itself?
some cakes fall apart easily and have larger intact leaves, others smaller/more compact and you get more dust
>but I don't know if I can handle normal tea cake size.
unless its green tea, you can just say its extra aged by the time you finish drinking it all, i still have some teas from 2019
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Today I learned that my tea I drink is pretty much just hot cordial full of flavors and colorings. I want to start looking at brewing my own ginger tea. Is it still tea if I just crush some ginger and lemon and steep it?
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Any yerba mate enjoyers here? Recently got hooked and I like it a lot, the nice ritual and the impressive caffeine kick.
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>>21850159
I'll recommend boiling the ginger, just steeping isn't all that effective
Good though, and settles an upset stomach. I put a little bit of tumeric in too
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>>21849770
>Have you tried the other "forest" raws?(tflz,manzhuan)
I got a sample of the single trees tflz that i will try tomorrow so ill compare it to this but i probably wont post notes again because im lazy..
>Would you say it's worth the price?
Im not really sure desu, i wouldnt mind having a cake of it but it did feel a little weak for the price since i prefer more explosive teas, i agree with what you say that the more expensive cakes usually dont taste significantly better than the $60 ones and this tea did give me the same feeling although i usually dont get a strong huigan from the cheaper ones
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>>21850733
It's not really a matter of strength imo. I have a bunch of CTC Assam and BOPF Ceylon. I drink it without sugar and once the milk knocks down the tannins too much milkfat just makes it taste buttery. Whole milk is probably okay in masala chai where you're already obliterating the flavor of the tea anyway.
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>>21849082
>Awazon does ripes for about $20/kg I'd get something like that, then spend the difference on a different type of tea like raw. Also try purple if you haven't already.
Interesting. I've never bought from Awazon before. I've heard good things from you guys on here, but it looks like a sketchy chink site. Do you have a recommended raw for them? I'm largely wanting to delve more into heicha's and at least want to try one fu cha.
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>>21850595
Of the ones I've tried and are still in stock, it's mostly not what I'd call unique. Bread and butter cheap dry stored tea. Though there's a fair amount of stuff there that nobody's ever reviewed.
>>21850801
Nta but these are all decent
http://pu-erhtea.com/TeaDetails.aspx?TeaID=796
http://pu-erhtea.com/TeaDetails.aspx?TeaID=10
http://pu-erhtea.com/TeaDetails.aspx?TeaID=1090
http://pu-erhtea.com/TeaDetails.aspx?TeaID=900
http://pu-erhtea.com/TeaDetails.aspx?TeaID=1051
Didn't like item CC, AW27 is meh
I suspect the AW18/AW17 mijin is worth a try, I'm getting some next order
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>>21850278
>i wouldnt mind having a cake of it but it did feel a little weak for the price
This is my problem with all expensive tea.
You can get so much good stuff in the sub $0.20/g price range that paying more feels like a waste.
I can think of maybe one or two teas above this price, where I was like ok this is something special, and I can see people wanting more.
Most recent tea that comes to my mind was the FL hekai.
Yeah I liked it, but I expected more at this price.
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>>21834363
terrible fucking idea. stainless holds onto tastes smells so all ur tea will end up just tasting of the flavours built up in the thermos instead of what your wanting to drink.
just buy a normal big fuck off tea pot and a fucking strainer its not hard.
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>>21834363
These tea flasks are stupid because they keep infusing for hours on end. Just use a normal flask and treat it as a fairness pitcher. You will get the perfect steeping and the commodity of carrying it around.
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>>21849731
>Adding fat and suger to any food item will make it more pleasant.
Not with most chinese and some others, it doesn’t. These teas have pretty much been bred and treated to be drunk with milk and sugar. That’s the whole point of CTC. And if I were to drink a tea without sugar, I’d simply pick something better for the task.
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>>21851090
The only portable gong fu tea flask I've found that works decent enough is picrel.
>water and tea chambers are separate
>can pull the strainer basket out of the tea chamber so it doesn't overinfuse
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>>21850468
>I only use 2% milk
2% milk has a lot more calories than eg Coke
>>21850751
I enjoy my CTC assam with a bit of erythritol, which tastes better than sugar in tea desu.
I also tend to order masala chai when I spot it on some menu but sofar it was always flavored milk more than anything else. This has little in common with "tea"
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>>21851124
I mean whats even the point. You only get one western steep out of this before you'd have to add new hot water to the flask.
At that point I would just brew the tea before I put it in a thermos.
The other option is you just put hot water in a thermos and use some separate gong fu travel kit.
Also the thing you posted is tiny
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>>21850801
I do put my money where my mouth is >>21847670
I had AW20 2008 Manjing. That was very good.
The only issue I've had with the site is that it's timed out sometimes and emptied my basket.
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>>21851267
>flip upside down
>twist
>water pours from flask into cup
>twist again
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>repeat
shrimple as
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>>21851019
I don't mind it sometimes, but it does mask the flavor as well. The cooked taste and different ratios kind of make it into something else.
>>21851022
Both, but I steep more often because it's easier and boiling also affects the flavor. Higher fat tastes different either way.
>>21851145
For the amount in a cup of tea it's probably like 30 calories. I'd probably try erythritol, but milk already adds enough sweetness for me.
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an old friend/acquaintance re-enters your life after a decade of separation. what tea are you pouring?
for me? it's gotta be some dong fang mei ren.
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>>21847670
Welp, guess I am no longer the mountains of cheat tea guy around here. My stash is only somewhere around 15-20 kg. I just have not been buying tea like I used too. I still kind of want to grow my hoard but going forward I think I will be more picky with what I buy. I don't want to end up with a bunch cheap tea I will never drink.
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>>21851925
do I need different bombillas for different mates? I have one like this because thats what they had at the shop.
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>>21851978
You dont need it but having a wider bombilla will make drinking something like Canarias easier. It can clog your bombilla quite easily. Supposedly there's some sucking techniques mate veterans use to get a perfect drink but I very rarely use bombillas (I do it grandfather style) so I can't tell you much about that.
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>>21852057
There's no way. Something in my brain just tells me that damp and milk just dont go together.
>>21852062
I thought "milk oolong" had no milk in it. But yeah, if I were to guess, it would be high oxidation oolongs and black teas. I know ceylon is used for HK milk tea like the other anon pointed out, but I doubt the indigenous chinese milk tea industry relies on it, but idk.
>>21852073
Matcha with milk also sounds fucking gross. Only white women could come up with such a terrible combination.
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>>21852080
>1.2 litres water in pot
>boiled
>add 8-10 grams ripe to boiling water
>boil 10 minutes, has to be agitation of leaves
>strain through ultra fine strainer many times
>pour tea into cup
>add milk or evaporated milk
>yum
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>>21852080
> but I doubt the indigenous chinese milk tea industry relies on it
China itself has many black teas so yea. They probably don’t use ceylon just because HK uses it too. I made a black milk tea with the most expensive chinese black tea from YS. Very flavourful.
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>>21852027
>milk tea in China
>huge trend over there in the last decade
>last decade
last 8 centuries*
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20% off over at yeeon
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>>21851791
At the start I followed all the recommendations you hear from rddt and those places.
>holy SHIT dude you've GOT to try duck shit oolong!
>you HAVE to buy from mei leaf or YS at a 10 times markup
>you can't trust your own opinion, you NEED to go with recommendations
>those sneaky Chinese will sell you twigs, so you NEED to go to a curated selection
I did all that, and was profoundly underwhelmed; the cheap tea from Awazon is really as good as what everyone is paying premiums for. So even though it's cheap, I'm not stocking up on bad tea; it's all drinkable.
Also my strategy is to have lots of cheap tea for daily drinking out of a teapot [usually just steel with an infuser] and some better stuff for the gaiwan. I think a simpler, single note tea can actually be better when you're distracted; I've had some good teas whilst I was busy and it was like drinking water, since I wasn't paying attention to the subtleties.
As for not drinking it, only the green will go off. I actually planned to have enough in case of supply chain disruptions. At moderate consumption this will be about 5 years worth.
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>>21851791
I created picrel quickly just to show what I mean: Mei-leaf is overpriced, and YS has better lighting. That's about it. When you look at the leaf and the details they're outrageously overpriced. So I agree that I wouldn't want piles of, say, CTC tea, but this stuff is really good for the money.
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>sheng shou sheng shou ripe raw ripe raw
I propose renaming them to 'dry-rot' and 'wet-rot' tea for ease of understanding.
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>>21852405
Lol
>>21852122
This.
>>21852027
Shou works well. Been drinking it like this for a few years already. It is delicious.
Try some chinese blacks too. Malty chocolatey milk tea.
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it came with tea...
would you drink aliexpress free gift mystery tea?
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Do you guys think a gooseneck kettle would be a bad idea for tea? I've heard the water can lose lose heat traveling down the spout, and they're slow pours. But the best electric kettle I've found so far is a gooseneck...
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>I've heard the water can lose lose heat traveling down the spout, and they're slow pours.
the spout is metal and heats up as the water does, i just burnt my fingers proving that to myself. they arent that slow to pour, mine fills my 100ml gaiwan in around 5seconds starting as soon as water hits the leaf and im not trying to pour fast. bonavita kettle is cheaper, mine has lasted for a good 5 years no problem. i wouldn't be so worried about timings, sure i time and for ripes brew as short as 10 seconds for the 1st but thats mainly for consistency in brewing not because its a hard rule that must be followed
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>>21853115
The date on my bag is harvested 3/31 25
It's been sitting unopened in a Ziplock bag in my cupboard since I got it with some others in April. When I popped this open it was as comparatively fresh as when I first got it. I think you just freeze them if you're keeping them well over the use by date
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>>21853168
>i just burnt my fingers proving that to myself.
Thank you for your dedication, man. I think I'll pull the trigger on the goose neck.
I was looking at off brands on Amazon to be desu. But the price on the Bonavita doesn't look bad.
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>>21853176
> TeaDB guys
The asian guy does gay porn
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>>21853661
I tend to make mine by just dumping a teabag I filled myself into a teapot and leaving it there, not exactly grandpa but none of my tisanes went bitter this way.
I think you might have to worry about floaties and little bits though if it's unbagged.
Chamomile, rooibos, ivan chai, sideritis all good
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>>21853714
>I think you might have to worry about floaties and little bits though if it's unbagged.
The government doesn't want you to know this, but you can use a bombilla to comfortably drink anything grandpa style.
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>>21853661
Cant think of a single one where the bits won’t be a problem. You could go for mint or orange rind, but I don’t think they are that good and the latter goes bitter after some time.
As for general tisanes, I like roiboos and verveine.
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$30 for a kilo of tian jian? What can go wrong?
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>>21855227
Whiten till it looks like chocolate
Quite good, rich taste
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Can anyone ID this tin? Based on the little english in the corner it's an Anji white. tia anons
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My sister is going to Taiwan and is offering to get me tea while she's there. What tea shops do I send her too? I already sent her to Wistaria last time around.
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king tea mall master race entering on the building
>>21852201
i´v had the chance to taste a kunming shou 2005/06 brick and let me tell you, i´m in love with HK storage. For the rainy days, its perfect. Any sites besides Sensing Tea and Yee?
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>>21855239
so the HK tea is pur erh and not black tea? Can you teach me, k-kind sir?
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>>21856456
Only other option I'm aware of is
https://hayslontea.com
>>21856460
Nope it's not HK milk tea at all, that's made with black tea blends
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>have to live in the middle of nowhere in the woods for a few months
>no tea, no hot sauce
>no packet delivery either
This is hell. But I think I figured out how to get delivery now. I've had only coffee and I'm fucking tired of it.
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>>21856467
see>>21839974 That is HK milk tea.
You can use any black tea or pu-er and it will taste good but it won’t be hk milk tea.
>cold
Sure.
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>>21856467
They charge more for cold hk milk tea at restaurants lol
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