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yeah it's the total volume of food, not the ingredients, fatty.

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>Bread
>healthy

ROFL

>>21862788
>there's a reason why
The fries.

I don't even make burgers anymore, I put a large patty on a bed of salad (ruccola or corn salad is better than large leaf variants), topped with cheese, condiments and onion.

>>21862788
>"bread"
>red meat
>American "cheese"
>healthy

Imagine eating bread

Shit pic op

>>21862806
literally none of that has been proven to be harmful to your health

>>21862788
There's no reason why because burgers aren't unhealthy, they just get that reputation from their association with fast food. The unhealthy part of a fast food combo meal is the liter of sugary soda, and the fries due mostly to the sheer volume of them.

stop eating grass

>>21862788
this but unironically

>>21862788
yeah, it's the pound of fries and litre of soda you get on the side.

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>>21862788
American cheese and bread are not healthy, the meat is suspect too

>>21862794
liberal retard

>>21862788
Neither are healthy. Both would be fine with some tweaking. Either ditch the bun and maybe yhe cheese or keep the bun but replace the fatass beef and cheese with something lean. You can keep the fat or the carbs. But not both. Unless you dial them down to manage the total energy content.

>>21862873
The meat is probably mostly fine.
Also the amount of vegetable in most burgers is tiny i.e. insufficient for a healthy lifestyle.

>>21862788
Good burgers are okay for you, slop fast food chain burgers have buns filled with weird additives and HFCS and the worst quality beef available

>>21862788
I don't think anybody considers cheese to be healthy. Have you sustained a recent head injury by any chance OP?

pasteurized cheese product is not healthy

The problem with fast food burgers is the questionable quality of the ground beef patty.

>>21862940
>pasteurized cheese product is not healthy
Why?

>>21862951
Because brainlets don't understand that it's just cheese with a higher water content, and are convinced it's somehow made of petrochemicals or something.

>>21862940
>questionable quality of the ground beef patty
And it is unheatlhy... how?

>>21862940
It's literally ground beef. 100% muscle, fat and salt. Nothing else.

Do you think McDonald's is Marlboro putting random toxic chemicals in the meat?

>>21862970
I heard McDonalds uses the beef from milk cows, which has poor texture and taste. But is still perfectly healthy.

>>21862970
They’re using 80/20 beef and the saturated fatty acid profile in beef is the wordt fat you can consume

Yes. By combining ingredients into a hyper palatable form people will eat far more food and it becomes unhealthy.

Unhealthy food doesn't mean literal poison. Unhealthy food can be comprised of healthy ingredients.

>>21862988
>It's unhealthy because it's so tasty people will gorge themselves on it
Not how unhealthy is generally defined.

>>21862980
That makes no sense. It's the largest restaurant chain on the planet by an order of magnitude. What drives 1 billion people a day to eat shitty, tough, poor tasting meat? I'll tell you: it's not those things.

>>21862987
Nonsense buzzwords. Quantify how it's bad.

McDonald's has better beef than my local grocery chains, which always turns brown and smelly 1-2 day after purchase, even when expiry is 5+ days ahead.

>>21863045
Remember this post anons. Remember it anytime somebody claims companies don't waste their money to pay shills to post on 4chan.org.

>>21862788
no food is inherently healthy or unhealthy, your diet as a whole is what matter the most.
that said, it's not just the ingredients, but the proportions between them.
to have a balanced meal there should be a lot more vegetables and less fats and carbs.

>>21863059
>no food is inherently healthy or unhealthy, your diet as a whole is what matter the most.
this is just saying if you eat more healthy food than unhealthy food then it won't be as bad. some things are inherently unhealthy. although that generally applies to ultra processed food more than anything else.

>>21863054
No answer? Just momlore from 40 years ago, which is true "because I said so."

Just stop replying.

>>21862788
>unhealthy
>healthy
>healthy
>healthy
>unhealthy
>unhealthy
>unhealthy

>>21863082
>rabbit food

>>21862788
It’s usually the cheese and oil in excess. And the buns are just nutritionally worthless.

>>21863085
>get told youre eating rabbit food by a fat bastard who will die age 59 because he has cholesterol like whale blubber
vs
>be a fat bastard who will die age 59 because he has cholesterol like whale blubber

hmmm

>>21863089
>he has cholesterol like whale blubber
Actually I don't. :^)

>>21863094
Why are you parroting stupid as fuck comments like "rabbit food" in response to vegetables then

>>21863095
idk lol xD

hamburger

>>21863101
xDDDDDDDD

shit and fart

>>21862994
Sure it is. Baked potato with fat is healthy. If you cut them up and fry them in fat they become more palatable and thus less healthy. If you cut them even thinner and fry them they become even more palatable and pretty much everyone agrees potato chips are unhealthy.

hamburger buns are unfried doughnuts

>>21863339
Unfriend doughnuts are raw, uncooked dough. Hamburger buns are cooked. They also don't have a glaze on them that a cooked doughnut would probably have.

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>>21862835
>the sheer volume
I wish. You gotta go to 5 guys for that

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>>21862788

>>21864443
>healthy but too little to matter
It takes up most of the filling you stupid motherfucker.

american sugary bread - unhealthy
american cheese - reasonable but not healthy
veggies - ok
minced rats with preservatives - unhealthy
ridiculous amount of mayo based sauce - unhealthy

>>21864443
>going off the ruling of an arbitrary council of underqualified nepotism-hires that decided something is bad for you based on absolutely zero corporate endorsements or political action groups contributing to their stuffed pocket

>>21862800
he barely has a voicebox and he's drinking milk to give himself more phlegm? lmao

>>21863692
Zoe Quinn did.

does white manna tastes like white burger? 100% or not even close?

>>21864811
white castle*

>>21864811
>>21864814
>does white castle tastes like white castle?

>>21862959
>transfat
does this even have to be explained?

>>21864822
Not everything with the prefix "trans" is bad

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>people ITT fell for the WHO "RED MEAT BAD" meme

>>21864826
so, yeah, the nitrogenated fats don't do the thing fats normally do and create negative health outcomes. thanks

>>21862873
American cheese is no less "healthy" than normal cheese. Actually look at the ingredients list of Kraft singles sone time.

>>21864822
There are no trans fats in American cheese, retard.

>>21862788
Its a sandwich. Its not healthy its tasty.

Replace the lettuce with spinach, the tomato with bell pepper, get some Norway cheese, sauerkraut instead of gherkins. Sourdough wholemeal buns.

Now thats a healthy burger

>>21864836
>Wingnuts have politically polarized themselves into getting cancer to own the libs

>>21862940
>The problem with fast food burgers
No, the problem with fast food burgers is the insane amount of sodium they put in it to keep it from spoiling.

The McDouble is a famously cost-efficient macro meal for bodybuilders, but the high sodium means they can only consume it in moderation to avoid having their blood pressure skyrocket. It gets especially dangerous for roiders who are already flirting with high blood pressure from the roids

>>21865231
They can get it without the pickles then?

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>>21862788
>bread
no it's not it's sugary cake
>lettuce
no it's not, it's hydroculture. water painted green. there's a reason it's called iceberg lettuce.
>onion
healthy
>tomato
again hydroculture. this time painted red with added sugar. never saw a minute of sunshine in its life
>cheese
caking agents to keep the cake together
>meat
hormone laced leftovers from the dog feed industry. drenched in water to increase the weight by 15%

you're eating water, hormones and sugar. and 30 minutes later you're hungry again. for more, lmao. You'd eat healthier if you ate water melon all day, every day.

>>21865859
>30 minutes later you're hungry again. for more
Post BMI

>>21863045
This is some of the absolute most retarded shit I've ever read here. You are defining unhealthy solely as "tastes better."

>>21865845
the bun, meat patty and cheese is what has like 90% of the salt in a mcdouble

>>21863692
Is it 10 years ago? Five Guys hasn't done proper extra fries in at least that long. They give you the cup plus 4-6 stragglers, it's no different than McDonald's now.

>>21865231
Salt being harmful was debunked like 20 years ago. Japanese eat about 8 grams a day yet they magically don't get fat. But I guess American salt is made out of chemicals so maybe that's why physics operate so differently here compared with the rest of the world.

>>21864656
it's not his fault anon he has brain worms

>>21865901
Maybe the people at the one you go to hate you?

>>21862788
White bread, burger cheese and fatty processed meat are all unhealthy. So is the sauce that's omitted from the picture
The only healthy ingredients are the bits and pieces of salad but that won't stop you from getting fat

>>21865215
>muh poltics
Red meat being classed as a possible carcinogen is entirely because it contains heme iron. The most readily absorbed type of iron. Heme iron only becomes bad for you if your body is trying to absorb too much because it catalyzes the formation of N-nitroso compounds and generates reactive oxygen species (ROS) that cause damage to DNA in the colorectal epithelial cells.

Sardines and chicken livers also contain tons of heme iron but are almost universally considered very healthy and completely ignored by WHO.

WHO also hates read meat because its often smoked or fried (burned) both of which are carcinogenic but not limited to specifically red meat.

>>21865928
Yours doesn't escape corporate induced shrinkflation anon. Either you've never been there that long ago to know how much extra you actually used to get, or you are lying, for what reason I don't know.

>>21865998
Who's retarded enough to have gone to Five Guys in the last decade anyway? That's $20 for a mid-tier burger.

>>21866001
So you haven't even been to know whether what I'm saying is correct or not, yet you reply anyway because you are emotionally invested in an argument you have no stake in and no knowledge of. What a weird guy.

>>21865952
You are a terrible cook. Processed meat does not go in a burger, neither does sauce. It's not supposed to be white bread either. Use potato or kaiser or brioche. The fact that burger cheese does not exist aside, cheese can't be unhealthy

>>21866047
>cheese can't be unhealthy
clogged arteries typed this post

>>21866047
>Processed meat does not go in a burger,
Ground beef is processed by definition.
>b-but that's different!
No it's not. 99% of "processed" meat that people bitch about has gone through an analogous process and the only people who cry about it are morons.

>>21862788
>there's a reason why
mayo.

There's also a reason why they don't include mayo on a grilled chicken sandwich by default. It makes the nutrition facts worse.

>>21866047
>Processed meat does not go in a burger
Fast food chains absolutely process their cheese with sodium nitrate or any of the other common food preservatives.
>Use potato or kaiser or brioche
Those are even worse than white bread. The correct answer would be whole wheat bread, but I bet you would think that is gross on a burger.
>cheese can't be unhealthy
Too much fat is unhealthy. And cheese has a lot of fat. But it’s not that bad either.

>>21866068
Thats a stupid definition you headcanon'd. All food is processed if you stretch the term that far. Even biting a vegetable while still connected to the plant, it is mechanically altered by your teeth.
>>21866075
The meat is not processed and no chains put cheese in the meat. The cheese is added to a burger which is what distinguishes a hamburger from a cheeseburger. I'm not going to check every restaurant but of McDonald's, Wendy's, and five guys none use sodium nitrate or preservatives in their cheese. Unless you're retarded and consider cheese cultures a preservative.
Whole wheat bread is not appropriate for humans. Even peasants knew how to process wheat. The whole wheat fad only came into existence recently and is a cost cutting measure. The adulterants make price per loaf cheaper. They use the waste products and tell people it's healthier. Idiots with no critical thinking or understanding of biology believe it and open their wallets.
Too little fat is unhealthy. Cheese is a good way of getting fat into the diet. Olive oil, walnuts, and avocados have fat too.

>>21866131
>Thats a stupid definition you headcanon'd
No. That is literally the commonly used definition of "processed meat" as you will find if you've ever googled the topic.

>>21866190
>Meat processing includes all the processes that change fresh meat, with the exception of simple mechanical processes such as cutting, grinding or mixing.
Processed meats exclusively refers to meats that have been cured, smoked, salted, etc.. Try opening a book sometime instead of believing everything your alcoholic grandmother posts on facebook.

>>21866131
You are absolutely processing that plant as you chew it.
There's lightly processed meats - something like a chicken that's been slaughtered, cleaned and plucked, but otherwise sold whole -, and there's heavily processed meats - like sausage that is ground, occasionally with fillers and binders like oats, salt (potentially including nitrates and nitrites - pink salt/prague powders- to cut the risk of botulism) and other spices and seasonings, then smoked or salt cured with prague powder 1 or 2 nearly 100% of the time.

>>21866193
Meat processing includes butchering. I butchered cattle in a beef processing plant during the summers in uni. They rolled in alive and whole, and left in little packages.

>>21866193
Google " is ground beef processed meat?"
Actually fucking do it.

The uselessness of this distinction is such a sticking point that they invented the term "ultra processed food" to describe the way you're using the term. But morons think "processed = bad so ultra processed = ultra bad" despite "ultra processed" actually just meaning "maybe bad."

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>>21866200
Meat processing is not the same thing as processed meats. It was not a "beef processing plant" you worked at. It's called an abattoir, you illiterate fuck.
>>21866202
You don't have any source for your made up bullshit beyond "uhh like maybe do an web search computer thingy and like just ignore the majority of links that show the correct definition"?
Here's one of those book things I mentioned. This one is literally titled Processed Meats.
https://openlibrary.org/books/OL27082931M/Processed_Meats

>>21866214
It was called Maple Meat Processing. Most companies avoid the word 'abbatoir' due to negative connotations - like association with decay and disease - surrounding the word.

Are you more smug when you're wrong, or on those rare occasions you get something right?

>>21866193
All those meats are required by law to have either sodium nitrate (pink curing salt) or some other preservative whose name I don’t recall to avoid botulism. Even smoked products. In theory you can cure at home with regular salt but it’s a health hazard once you account for all the supply chain an it frankly doesn’t taste as good as sodium nitrate.

>>21866214
>You don't have any source
My source is Google. Fucking use it.
The fact that you're citing a particular book indicates to me that the book you read was using an *operational* definition to specify the *kind* of processing they're referring to in the book.

>>21866358
Lying sack of shit. Do you even know how to use google? Every result says the same thing. Pearson literally wrote the book on processed meats, but if they people who make it doesn't meet your necessary level of drunken facebook academic rigor there's no end of other sources. Such as google. And many more.
american institute for cancer research
>defines processed meat as “meat preserved by smoking, curing or salting, or addition of chemical preservatives.” Ham, bacon, pastrami, sausages, hot dogs and luncheon meats are all considered processed meat.
>https://www.aicr.org/resources/blog/what-is-processed-meat-anyway/
World health organization
>meat that has been transformed through salting, curing, fermentation, smoking, or other processes to enhance flavor or improve preservation.
>https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/cancer-carcinogenicity-of-the-consumption-of-red-meat-and-processed-meat
BBC
>Processed meat has been modified to either extend its shelf life or change the taste and the main methods are smoking, curing, or adding salt or preservatives.
Simply putting beef through a mincer does not mean the resulting mince is "processed" unless it is modified further.
>https://www.bbc.com/news/health-34620617
nutrition and cancer
>Processed meat is made mostly from pork or beef meat that are preserved by methods other than freezing, and that undergo a treatment to improve the quality of cuts of carcasses, to increase preservation, and to change flavor. There is a huge variety of processed meat products and it is not easy to sort them by categories, but parameters involved in the making of these foods are curing (adding salt and other additives), drying, smoking, cooking and packaging.
>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2661797/
american meat science association
>describes any process where meat products undergo a transformation, beyond minimal processing, containing approved ingredients, subjected to a preservation

>>21866462
These are all in the context of increased cancer risk. It's exactly what I was talking about with regards to operational definitions.

>>21866482
>The core purpose of the American Meat Science Association is to
Cultivate a global community of professionals and students to discover, apply and communicate meat science and technology
Nothing to do with or about cancer whatsoever. So again you are wrong. Processed meat is a real thing with a real definition, and the definition is widely accepted.
USDA
>any meat that has been transformed through salting, curing, fermentation, smoking, or other processes to enhance flavor or improve preservation
>https://www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/portal/fsis/topics/food-safety-education/get-answers/food-safety-fact-sheets/food-labeling/meat-and-poultry-labeling-terms/meat-and-poultry-labeling-terms

>>21866214
>Meat processing is not the same thing as processed meats.
Correct. One is an act and the other is the product of said act.

>>21866497
It was a cancer study, doofus.

Let's play a new game: can you actually find an example of ground beef that is considered "processed" by this operational definition?

>>21862794
u wot

I'll see if I can find my ancient food safety bullshit for you (guys). It focused on 'processed food' from the standpoint of any process done, as pretty much anything you do to food will alter its capacity to grow its own friends. It did mark the difference between mechanical, thermal and chemical processing - as the former usually increases the risk of spoilage and the latter two usually decrease it. It also marked the difference between 1) minimal processing - butchering/slicing, pasteurization, crushing, drying: processes that don't add anything -; 2) processed culinary ingredients - oils, sugars, etc. that are crushed, pressed, chemically or physically refined-; 3) moderate processing - largely just an addition of class 2 to class 1, including anything brined, salted, smoked, oiled or held in fat or any other method of chemical preservation -; and 4) highly and ultra processed foods - I think it had a five ingredient minimum, and the end result had to be technically ready to eat, even if not delivered in a final appetizing form... freezer pizza comes to mind.

It makes sense to call stage 3 and 4(/5) meat "Processed" instead of "Moderately Processed", but then what's "Minimally Processed"? It's not unprocessed. Unprocessed meat's alive... maybe a corpse if you don't count stunning or throat slicing a process.

Probably a jurisdictional thing. It's definitely not international... and no, your current area of jurisdiction isn't the only one that counts, any more than mine is.

>>21862788
this whole site is just destined to be filled with low-effort memes from phoneposting jeets and nothing of interest getting discussed

>>21865911
Salt doesn't have anything to do with getting fat. It increases blood pressure, which can be dangerous for people who are already in the risk zone (like fatties and roiders).

It's basic biology. You can even try it yourself at home. Order a blood pressure monitor and eat 8 grams of salt a day. Watch your blood pressure increase in real-time

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>>21866541
Actually click on it, you won't find cancer mentioned on the linked American Meat Science Association or the United States Department of Agriculture pages. Knowing you I should probably mention the words are supposed to be read. I guess you could use a screen reader if that's too hard.
Your new game is trivial in difficulty. There is such a thing as ground beef that is processed; it's called sausage
>Ingredients: White Oak Pastures Beef, Blend of Salt, Spices (includes Fennel and Pepper), Sugar, Paprika, Dextrose, Garlic Powder, Spice Extractives, and less than 2% Soybean Oil and Silicon Dioxide as a flow conditioner.

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>>21866751
>Actually click on it
Kek

>it's called sausage
As in "not marketed as ground beef?"
As in "a completely different product?"

I accept your concession.

>>21866767
Ground beef can't be sold as processed meat. Processed meat can't be sold as ground beef. Ground beef can however be made into processed meat, which is exactly what I demonstrated by linking to ground beef mixed with salt; aka sausage.
Quod erat demonstrandum, I win you lose

>>21865911
being fat is not the only health metric, lmao

>>21866803
What metrics would you use then? Japan mogs US for all cause mortality except for stomach cancer, which honestly isn't that surprising considering the bizarre shit they drown in salt and sugar then call food.

>>21862816
C'mon you know damn well American processed cheese is bad for you and offers no health benefits.

>>21866811
like the other anon said, sodium causes hypertension. the reason japs can eat so much without hypertension issues is a combination of genetics and a high level of physical activity. if you’re a westerner who works out 4-6 times a week, you too can eat a lot of sodium without much issue. but if you live a sedentary lifestyle then the sodium will lead to hypertension

>mildly engaged in the thread argument
>lol whoops both of them are retarded mobilefags
why do i bother reading this schlock

>>21866837
i’m at the gym posting in between sets, so that i can eat whatever the fuck i want without turning into a basement dwelling creature like you

>>21866793
You really are a silly little boy.

>>21866841
I like being silly, you like being wrong. We all have our vices.

>>21864552
What weights more, anon? A kilogram of steel or a kilogram of feathers?