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Oh, my mistake. Tim Drake is leaving Batman for Bernard Dowd… as set up three months ago.

>>152368705
>Daddy I'm leaving you for a younger twink
Gay

>>152368705
This was supposed to happen in H2SH (Loeb said the story would fix the "2 Robins issue"), but it got delayed so much I guess it's now happening here.

>>152368692
Eh...okay? I know the internet will hate this because a lot of people hate Tim being bisexual and find Bernard bland or whatever, my personal issue is that it's so tame and boring?
If this what they plan to spin a new identity for Tim out of they should have went with something bigger and more exciting.
Damian and Bruce's drama in this issue overshadows this by a mile, at least in my opinion.

Good. Hopefully this retirement sticks for a bit. And when he comes back, its not as Robin or Red Robin but something that's 100% Tim Drake.

>>152368762
Never really made sense. Tim was never even in H2SH.

oh thank god, they're finally dropping Tim as Robin?

>>152369060
Tim is like 19 years old now, why is he still playing Robin? It just shows how little Tim has going for himself as a character that they can't think of him as anything but Robin

>>152369122
Tim should go away for 2 years, come back as Lucius Fox's successor to run the Wayne foundation.
Fully retired from day to day Superheroism.

Damian doesn't take Tim's break well, and holds himself up in his room after Bruce chastises Damian's carelessness around Dr. Zeller. Tim tells Damian through the door to think about life being more than just the mission, and we see an acceptance letter to a school in Damian's trashcan

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>>152369215
I mean, thinking about how retarded this picture is. He's a 19 year old man in a boys costume that other little boys are wearing while competing with a 13 year old for the title of a child sidekick name,

>>152369122
There's no way he's still only 19. That's crazy. Give it another couple of years and he'll be younger than Damian.

>>152369227
Not sure why Damian would even care much about that, but whatever, there is much worse in this book when it comes to how Fraction writes Damian.

What is that supposed to lead to? Tim encouraging Damian to go to college? Who the hell is asking for stories about Damian in college, he's 14. He would get excluded by everyone.

>>152369122
Dick ,Roy and Wally became Nightwing, Arsenal and Flash when they were like 20 years old , but they were the first not even the 40s sidekids did that.
Tim spent her whole teens obsessed to be Robin after Dick telling him Damian was going to be his Robin.

>>152369386
Dick became Nightwing at 18

>>152369356
>Not sure why Damian would even care much about that
Damian puts on a show, but he cares deeply about his brothers, especially Dick. The mission is all Damian has, and if someone leaves the crusade to have a life outside of it, that means they are creating distance akin to someone moving away. Kid is 14, but he's also socially stunted thanks to his mother/grandfather, and Bruce doesn't exactly help.
>What is that supposed to lead to?
Batman & Robin, and this week's Knightfight book, hint that Damian's future is to become a doctor just like Thomas Wayne. The implication is that Damian becomes the new "Alfred", essentially the shit talker to ground the family and patch them up when wounded

>>152369395
No, he was 21/22 when he became Nightwing as Dick had graduated college when New Teen Titans started

>>152369395
He turned 20 in Crisis on Infinite Earths I think. So he was Robin then still.

>>152369485
And? I get him learning how to patch up the batfamily in private, but him already starting to study medicine at a public college at this age is ridiculous.
He isn't even allowed to sign contracts without his dad's permission yet.

Can we just reboot back to when Dick was Robin? It literally solves all of DC's issues.

>>152369544
No one except you and like 3 other turbo boomers want that.

>>152369527
In 2022 a 13 year old girl was accepted into med school after finishing high school early. It's been done. But for all we know it was a private school, not college. Stepping stones

>>152369577
Everyone would want it except all the bloated Batman family fans, so Cass, Tim, Jason, Steph, Damian and so on, but Batman fans would love to have a slimmed down Batman book again. One of the reasons Absolute is doing well since it is easy to jump into. Don't have 12 different heroes running around Gotham at the same time with DC struggling for things for them to do.

How long until we get another nostalgiafag writer/editor in charge that forces Tim as Robin down our throats for the nth time?

>>152369578
And I'm sure she had a blast being surrounded by adults she had nothing in common with.

Bruce literally sent Damian to a normal high school at the start of Batman and Robin 2023 to help Damian have a more normal childhood, but I guess I shouldn't be suprised, it's pretty obvious Fraction hasn't read much of Damian's stories at all. The editors should have stopped him though. Editorial is asleep at the wheel again.

>>152369227
>Think more about life than the mission

He already learned this fucking lesson since before, and his solo Robin run. WTF is this? It would have been better if Damian confronted Tim about finally sticking into something he likes. This isn't the first time the current writer forgot shit, like how Bruce mentions to Damian about other style - mentioning girls, forgetting the fact that Damian has a girlfriend.

>>152369122
That's true of all the Dick and Barbara replacements. If you have Dick as Robin and Barbara as Batgirl there's no reason for any other Bat family member to exist other than Bruce and Alfred

>>152369866
Jason progressed and grew into another character
Cass could easily change into a different character.
Stephanie has a really cute personality and became Spoiler
Damian is radically different from Dick.

>>152369544
/Thread
>>152369577
Everyone would want it. That's why they won't do it because they would be er be able to justify bringing anyone back. With all the dumb: "don't worry it's just a gimmick that will last a year!" things they do you would think they could at least try it and see what happens. I bet sales would spike if for nothing else than to see a return to "old school Batman and Robin stories."

>>152369544
>>152369626
Everyone meaning you and Mark Waid. The silver age garbage is fucking boring.

>>152369883
Yes, but they all exist as replacements. If Dick was Robin again everyone would go: "I don't care about that. Let me see Batman and Robin."

>>152369893
The fuck are you talking about? Nightwing is great

>>152369919
The only time Robin and Batgirl were ever interesting was when it wasn’t Dick and Babs.

>>152369925
Nightwing is dull.

>>152369626
No it's not. It does okay because it's just a safe edgy over the top 90s Batman.

>>152369883
Stephanie is a privileged white bitch who got Orpheus killed and has never taken accountability for her part in several murders caused by War Games

>>152370675
Nobody cares

>>152370675
Not canon in the New 52/Rebirth continuity anyway.

>>152370712
Everything is canon
Especially her getting knocked up

>>152368705
christ tim looks like such a twinky mega faggot here. He'd look more straight if he was gargling dick with the same artstyle minus that shitty haircut.
baldie timmy is an improvement over this.

>>152370395

Dick is great, when he's Robin, or Batman (with Damian). Name one great Nightwing comic. Not passable to good, legitimately

>>152370746
Tom Taylor's Nightwing

>>152370746
The worst early 90s Batman comic with Tim as Robin is better than the best silver age Batman comic with Dick as Robin.

>>152370395
(You)

>>152368705
For the longest time I thought batfags being gay was just a joke. Then I noticed Batman was still top charting with shit like this, much like Superman.

>>152370736
It happened. But not in the same universe. DC already back pedaled with Convergence making New Earth exist on it's own again. Besides nothing post Flashpoint should be read anyway.

>>152370753
Now you're just fucking with us.

>>152369395
>>152369492
No, Dick was 19 when he became Nightwing. You literally see him turn 20 during COIE. It's when he's on Tamaran getting cucked by Starfire. He had recently dropped out of Hudson University when the New Teen Titans formed. The success of Robin in the NTT made the Batman books re-add him as a regular supporting character and enroll him at Gotham University, but he dropped out during the run-up to The Judas Contract.

>>152369705
It's kinda funny how we've had two writers who just love Tim use Damian like this back to back. First Zdarsky, now Fraction.

>>152369544
Maybe Absolute Batman will get around to that.

>>152368692
>Spend the extra dollar
I’m not spending any money so kill yourself Rich.

>>152368705
>>152370741
just goes to show how fucking stupid modern comics are

tim's been robin for years. in-universe he's at least 19 years old. and because he's "bi" now, they're drawing him like the biggest faggot twink of all-time. not even pretending

>>152369893
>bet sales would spike if for nothing else than to see a return to "old school Batman and Robin stories."
"Back to basics" has almost never boosted sales. Look at the Dini OYL run, it was overshadowed by Morrison's experimental Batman

>>152368705
this confirms Tim was the only Robin Bruce canonically molested

>>152368692
>>152368705
Good riddance to bad faggots

>zoomer haircut

>>152371490
Seriously. If they like Tim so much and either dislike Damian/simply know nothing about about his character developement why do they insist on using Damian and pissing people off? Just use Tim.
Maybe then Tim fans would stop whining about DC "forgetting Tim" too.
This is a lose lose situation.

>>152369893
"Everyone would want it"
No. Just no. People would be pissed.

>>152369717
Not only did Fraction has a girlfriend, he also seemed unaware that Damian is extremely well educated in art, music and literature.
Fraction's writing for Damian is an insult to people who know the character and his Bruce is so different and incompetent as a father compared to Batman and Robin 2023 that it's jarring.

I did not think it was possible for Tim Drake to be a bigger faggot.

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>>152368705
Let me get this straight. It. Knew Bernard for 2 months, and now he is madly in love with him to the point that he feels bad for lying to him and “feels love from the rooftop”. But he had 0 feeling when he lied to Stephanie, the girl he shared more than hand-holding with. Does DC think sexual identity is a character development?
Here is the prediction of the century: some crisis will happen, someone will get hurt this this bitchass faggot will come angry to the batcave blaming Bruce for it instead of the villain who cause the harm.

>>152372757
He is not bi. He is gay. He will never date a woman ever again. Just like Iceman and Alan Scott.

>Damianfags get to know what it's like to be a Jasonfag this week
That's much appreciated, DC.

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lol tim is a faggot, meanwhile my GOAT Jason Todd about to be in some Amazon ouss (again) (Lizzie Prince)

>>152369544
He's been Nightwing longer than you've been alive.

>>152374816
Jason Todd has aura and his drama is way more serious than... I accidentally revealed that Bruce's son is Robin...

>>152374800
>prediction of the century
correct. it's dc's favourite melodrama template.

>The mission is important, but I need Bernard to wear my ass like a pair of pants

>>152368869
>And when he comes back, its not as Robin or Red Robin but something that's 100% Tim Drake.

That doesn't mean anything when Tim Drake hasn't existed since Flashpoint. There's no core character, no hook to make him work. Any new direction they could come up with would just be another retcon to add to the heap. He'd be better off permanently retired.

>>152375403
Focus on his detective skills, I guess. Maybe have him live a double life as a GCPD detective and a superhero?

>>152375417
just have Tim go full time detective, either full independent, or as Bruce's inside guy. I'm baffled Nightwing got a run with him as a cop, and nothing similar for Tim, when Tim is much more suited for a cop plot.

He lost his ability to fart.

>>152368692
>>152368705
Get that cock hungry fag outta here

Poor Bruce, I hope he finds another little boy to put in danger and help him fight crime.
Because that's something grown men ask children for help with all of the time.

>>152375417
>>152375449
You could really see silver spoon bougie bitch Tim Drake it on the GCPD? Dixon had to warp Dick's character to make it a believable blue collar LARP. No way Tim could hack it.

>>152369122
i legit thought he was Damian lol
at 16 i was already done growing up, meanwhile here we have full grown adults looking like kids

>>152369544
>>152369893
Literally Nightwing saved Dick.
Starlin and the others writers probably were mad they couldn't do Death in the family with Dick so they went with Jason and use the "It wasn't popular"
Batman writers are usually pasive agresive with the characters , they want to steal every villains(Solomon, Livewire,...), but when another writer steal It and made It work better (Harley became popular during Suicide Squad) they quickly go back to get them and ruin It.

>>152369893
>>152369544
Dick is more popular as Nightwing than he ever was as Robin

>>152370746
Tomassi run.Some issues in the dixon run.Judas contract.
The Double dare issue in Gaylord run was great art wise

>>152375637
I mean, you could always have him be the odd one out on the force and then have him slowly ingratiate himself into the culture (Like having him be a cut above and having the other officers resent him, but over time they all learn from each other). I don't even care about Tim Drake, but it's not that hard to pick a suitable character trajectory for him that isn't "dick in butt lol" for his entire character.

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>>152374816
Winnick revealed that Jason cry during sex.
Damian has a goth gf and is implied Irey could be his future girlfriend

>>152375799
Not he isn't. As Robin he was an iconic character and a pillar of DC, and as Nightwing he is a watered down Daredevil that can barely get any other media adaptations.

>>152375894
Then I'm sure Batman cratered in popularity once Dick stopped being Robin. Right?

>>152375799
I don’t think that’s true. I could probably go out and show a normalfag a picture of Robin and there’s a 99% they would recognize him. Meanwhile unless said normie somewhat keeps up with capeshit they’d probably won’t know who Nightwing (mostly because he has shown up in movies and TV shows as much)

>>152375781
They killed off Jason to bring in another Robin in Tim immediately though. They felt Jason was expendable. That never happens if Dick was made Robin again after COIE because he was a popular character at the time. So all those all star Batman writers would have written Dick as Robin in the late 80, and Dick would have gotten a Robin solo in the early 90s that Tim got probably.

>>152375907
Absolutely. Without broing it up with the best Robin, Batman is just a lost fag who simps for used goods like Catw*man

>>152375916
Okay and will that normalfag be able to tell you the name Dick Grayson? Or will they just say that's Bruce Wayne and Robin.

>>152375907
Dick had already been moved out of the Batman books for a while and was regulated for backup stories long before he got moved over to the Titans editorial team. Batman's sales were below Titans then of course, but then in the late 80s into the 90s the Titans book started to collapse and lose readers while that is when Batman became DC's premiere character over Superman with the top writers writing Batman in that era and with the Batman movie coming out then too. Then Tim as Robin got the first official Robin solo that paved the way for Nightwing to get his solo. So Robin again had to lay the groundwork for Nightwing to walk on.

>>152375907
no but funnily enough Batman did almost face cancellation when Robin showed up less and less to hang to out with teen titans and Batgirl (both of which were selling better than Batman comics)

>>152375941
Up until the 80s it would Dick Grayson as Robin. People know who that was. Since then it is just Robin. Since in those Teen Titans cartoons he is just called Robin. The longer time goes on with Dick being removed from the Robin identity the less influence he will have in that role though.

>>152375989
So no, no one off the street without comic book knowledge would ever be able to tell you the difference between any Robins unless you stuck Stephanie in the costume?

In other media and to non comic fans Red Hood is more popular than Nigthwing. Nightwing has failed to get any solo other media adaptations despite having 300+ issues of a solo comic while Red Hood has gotten some already. All Nightwing gets in other media is the Leonardo role who jokes around some when DC pushes the Robins as the Ninja Turtles. That is all he is now.

>>152368692
It's funny how this fight is over Robin when the most successful Robin comics in recent years feature Dick as Robin.

>>152376000
No, some would say Dick Grayson because he was arguably DC's 3rd biggest character from the 40s to the 80s as Robin and it is a name people know, but as time has gone on Dick Grayson's name has become less known because Nightwing has failed to break out as a character beyond comic fandom which has gotten smaller during that time too.

And no one without comic knowledge would have any idea who Stephanie is. They would wonder why Robin is in drag if they saw an image.

Why is Tim Drake a manlet??

If you showed a person on the street a picture of Nightwing the average person would have no idea who that is. Everyone would be able to identify Robin though. That is the difference between a iconic identity and one that isn't. Nightwing will never be iconic. Even with the Titans more people probably think of Robin as the leader of the Titans than Nightwing.

>>152376111
And none of those people would be able to say the name Dick Grayson, so clearly Dick isn't special.

>>152376123
More people would say Dick Grayson over Jason Todd, Tim Drake, and Damian Wayne though. That is the point.

>>152376111
Do you live in a cave or are you talking about 60-year-olds?

>thread about Tim Drake
>Dick fags can't help but complain and make everything about them
lol

>>152376123
If you showed an image of Nightwing and Robin to the average person I bet more people would say the name Dick Grayson in reference to Robin than Nightwing still.

>>152376163
You can't seriously think that Nightwing is well known outside of comics. Robin is iconic. That is why Tim fans hate Damian and are desperate for him to be the only Robin again.

>>152376196
Video games, TV shows, animated shows
You're trapped in a bubble.

>>152376222
And Robin laps Nightwing in those appearances. The two most well know Nightwing appearances had Dick as Robin first with Young Justice and Titans live action. Nightwing has failed to have any solo focused movies, games, or TV series himself. Starfire is getting a solo animated series before Nightwing, lol.

What do Tim fans even want? Outside him not being gay anymore of course.

>>152376271
They're getting what they want: hamfisted gay shit

>>152376038
Calling it a Year One story might have something to do with that. Still a very mediocre story which was expected from Waid.

Tim is just going to be Red Robin again going by that future Williamson had in his Knightfight shit.

>>152376260
He's only Robin in the first two seasons of those two shows. He's Nightwing in Batman: Arkham, he's Nightwing in Injustice, he's Nightwing in Gotham Knights. Get out of your bubble, man.

>>152368705
Really? A 36-year-old character that had his own 190 issues book and a 30 issues spin off with him dating girls and having a deep loving relationship with Steph but not a single time did he have this ””” romantic “””” speech. He didn't have any problem lying to his many girlfriends. Is this the new era of comics? Becoming gay = character growth?

>>152374800
Weird how you feel offended that Tim shows character growth simply because he’s now dating a dude

>>152369356
>Tim encouraging Damian to go to college? Who the hell is asking for stories about Damian in college, he's 14. He would get excluded by everyone.
Gotham Academy but this time it's in Gotham U.

Greenlight it

Print money

Give me more DamMaps!

>>152376562
FLATLINE BUGGING DAMIAN TO SKIP CLASS
BOP REINING THEM IN

>>152374811
that's why i put bi in quotes, i know how it works. they only made him "bi" and not full gay because there's too much history with steph to ignore

but it's the same thing with iceman, he was always a chad but they made him a bottom twink faggot now even though he's in the O5 and should be older than the next generation of mutants but looks younger than them. i have friends who are gay they're not twinks, there are more to fags than effeminate boy twinks. it's actually so fucking pandering "woke" that it turns out to be homophobia kek

>>152376487
Are you 13? I don't give a fuck if time suck a cock and gets row dog by Bertard. The writer tried so hard to make this relationship deep and meaningful when they knew each other for what? 3 months? A year? It gets worse when Tim takes Steph to meet his fag just for Steph to hug him and loving him as well. Bitch the man cucked you with that guy. Bertard is also a cunt. Trying to be bitchy with Bruce because he “cares” about Tim. Read the 2000s comics and come back, child. Time knew Steph he loved her he knew how reckless she was yet never hung the mantle to keep her safe or hated lying to her. Tim had no character arc after Damian became Robin so the next step is to turn him into a fag and when that didn't work they sideline him because they don't know how to handle him anymore. Give it 2 years and he will get the Superkids treatment. He will be like Cir-El.

>>152376878
> Superkids treatment. He will be like Cir-El.
And by that you mean shilve him and never use him again until then unives reboot again and he is erased for good. DC is going to lose the right to Batman’s character in a few years and Tim will be forgotten by then.

>>152375850
He cried during sex with Talia and crazy lady that had sex with him after basically raising him for a few years

>>152375850
> Seething
Sorry, I don't live vicarously through fictional characters like you so your petty nerd shits and shipperfaggotry means nothing to me.

>>152376271
You think they care about what fans want?

>>152377018
esl

>>152376279
No they wanted hamfisted gay shit with Connor Superboy. Can't even get that.

>>152377265
Faggot

>>152377312
no one agrees with you bro, you are not a majority in any level, spamming a low traffic dead board won't magically change that.
Take your SSRIs and return to /lgtb/ already, holy shit.

>>152377366
Seething faggot.

>>152369717
Fraction hasn’t read a comic with Damian Wayne.

He’s a Gen X who grew up on Tim Drake.

And to shows.

>>152378391
>>152377748
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>>152376167
Dickfags deserve another Rick situation

>>152377289
That was Tom Taylor’s fault. If Taylor hadn’t made Jon Kent gay, then Conner could have been made gay and hooked up with Tim (which was Fritzmartin and Tynion’s plan). But Taylor fucked everything up.

>>152377018
Do you retards not know what trademarks are?

Dick is giga based
Jason is based
Tim Drake is cringe and shit
Damien is cringe

>>152375989
>Up until the 80s it would Dick Grayson as Robin.
That was nearly 50 years ago, and honestly I doubt it. It's like the Lone Ranger or even Zorro, people know the roles but very few would remember the real names. Even back then.

>>152368705
>I'm too gay to be a hero.
Agreed. Goodbye.

>>152368705
>character is gay now? we have to "draw him gay"

Fuck Tim

They should have just committed to Stephanie as Robin

>>152377018
>DC is going to lose the right to Batman’s character in a few years
Yeah just like Disney lost the rights to Mickey Mouse and don't own him now right?

>>152378738
Did you see what they did with Winnie the Pooh?

>>152377018
> T. Retarded nigger who doesn't understand the difference between a trademark and a copyright and and why it will be virtually impossible for people to monotize certain characters that big companies care about, even if they are PD

>>152379203
Chill Tim fag. The retard has a point. Tim will slowly fade away because DC realized making him gay didn't boost the sales and they can't go back now so they will just quietly push him back stage till the next crises where he comes back and dies like Panthra and the D-list heroes just to show how powerful the new villain is.

>>152379343
>gay
Bisexual

>>152379544
He will never be Bi. You know the jest. Once a character becomes gay or lesbianes there is no going back. Look at Alan Scott.

>>152368705
I hope he responded with something about this life not being something you just dabble in when you feel like it and his lack of commitment to their mission but I should know better

I'd fuck his ass.

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>>152379698
Connor...

>>152379597
Catwoman, Catman, John Constantine, Wonder Woman to name a few would like a word with you.

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>>152372757
You guys forgot when To was drawing him like this?
He just looks like a regular teenager right now(yes I'm sure you'll just say modern teens are all gay)

>>152370675
All character assassination and no one with any taste acknowledges War Games as canon.

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>>152380385
Tim is still supposed to be a teen. I thought he was in college by now?