What is your neck circumference?

>>77041715
a cpap can't be the only solution... right?
like jesus, what about your sex life? what about any time you sleep outside your house?
please tell me there's another way

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>>77041934
>>77042042
NTA but I got an 18" fat-free neck and don't need a Snuffleupagus machine; >17" is the cutoff for it being an apnea risk factor.

>>77041715
I'm about to have a study done. ENT is already recommending me surgery over getting the cpap. I'm very interested in what the study says.

Is it bad to sleep with the mask? Probably my biggest fear

>>77042042
so basically you think there is a secret "redpill" to treat obstructive sleep apnea that the medical industry is hiding from OP?

I mentioned 19" in last neck thread. Fuck it's only that now if I skinny-fraud and stretch my head up like I'm buttoning a collar. It's up to 20" depending on how I measure even without doing the bloat thing.

I don't know how to get stronger without neck getting involved. At least my blood pressure is low, so I'm probably still okay?

>>77042042
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRE9FW99ZgM

>>77042042
Modern CPAPs are very quiet and nasal pillow styles are very low profile, if that's any consolation. There are portable CPAPs too.

I don't often make a habit of sleeping over at hookup's apartments, and women who sleep over definitely prefer a quiet CPAP over multiple choking episodes a night

I was worried I had apnea because I don't feel rested after sleep but I started recording my sleep and I barely even snore let alone gasp. Should I still try to do a real study?

>>77043344
check your blood pressure and get a bluetooth pulse oximeter, the cheap ones are ten bucks and it can be used to both to see if you're choking at night (sauce: Stan Efferding, he knows his shit when it comes to sleep apnea and blood pressure) and help you practice breath holds during the day which according to some can fix it (sauce: The Oxygen Advantage, read it, it contains cringe kooky self-help filler but the meat of the book is legit and will change your breathing whether you think it's ok or not)

>>77042206
yes

>>77041715
sleep apnea (aside some specific instances) is just lack of proper maxilla development

>>77041715
I had some blockage in my nasal airway for years (something where a wall or whatever in the inside collapses when I lie down), which caused me to breathe through my mouth and snore. No idea what happened last week but the issue suddenly went away, and voila, I breathe through my nose again when I sleep and feel great. Amazing energy, and zero brain fog. I will get a nasal dilator just in case though.

>>77044084
I should add, before this improvement I've worked a lot on my posture, which included exercises where I would lift my sternum and take deep breathes or would do certain breathing exercises. It only just dawned on me that maybe it had something to do with that, but I can't know for sure.

>>77042206
yes

>>77042206
yes

>>77045204
No

>>77041715
Anon, you're actually supposed to be doing cardio
The whole "cardio reks your gains" thing is a meme

>>77042206
yes

>>77042206
Arginine, cardio, electrolytes and proper hydration throughout the day, losing weight

Gg ez

>>77044089
I started similar last fall, and I catch myself when lucid in my sleep taking those breathes sometimes. Maybe that's been helping me as well.

>>77041715
Be less fat

>>77045218
none of those things will cure obstructive sleep apnea except losing weight and only then if its because your apnea is caused by obesity.
For most people it is, but not all.

>>77041715
CPAP bros, does it work for soft palate snoring? My soft palate gets stuck closed very easily even while in a dentist chair and I can't sleep on my back.

>>77045215
>>77045806

Depends on the type of sleep apnea, but yes.

The pillar procedure can cure some types of sleep apnea and snoring, but it's not in used anymore because of a medical patent. No one is allowed to manufacture the devices right now.

I know one company trying to bring it back, afaik they're in clinical trials.

>>77041715
were your erection quality any different before and after the cpap?
I have an appointment scheduled in 2 weeks. If I see no improvements with my pp I will an hero

>>77042042
Dont sleep on your back

>>77041715
its insane how CPAPs and having sleep apnea got demonized, a lot of people have it because they're fat sure, but you can legitimately have a weirdly shaped tongue or trachea and have it.

Infact, 20% of all obstructive sleep apnea patients are not obese

>>77046288
In many countries you can't just go and buy one either, you have to go to a sleep lab and some specialists and get a prescription.

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>>77041715
I had the same amount of events and feel pretty much the same as I always did with my CPAP... fucking hate this facesucking thing and the dumbass tube making insane amounts of noise when I move which always wakes the wife. do you have a full mask or the nasal plugs?

>>77046296
I actually bought myself a private cpap machine without any issues but I'm in europe

I used cpapstore . eu, mask and machine cost like 800eur

>>77046303
I have a hanger for the tube that I put some felt material on, and my tube has a wrap on it. It helps a lot.

I've tried several things and byfar the quietest masks are the airfit p30i. I used the Philips Respironics Dreamwear nasal mask before but its way way louder and doesn't have the mini filter that disperses the air quieter that the p30i has

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>>77046329
picrelated for the wrap >>77046303
also are you sure you have the same AHI count? That shouldn't happen unless your mask doesn't fit or settings are wrong. I went from nearly 60 to 1.2, 0.8 on most nights.

You can see your own stats via OSCAR, its an open source viewer for your sleep apnea data, you just gotta input the SD card

>>77046296
I bet you can find them used for 1/4 the price

>>77046333
no I meant I had the same amount of events as you pre-CPAP, but day-to-day I feel the same as before I was using a CPAP and thus am mirin your new energetic life. Haven't bothered putting the sd card in mine but the monthly reports they email me say it's working

>>77046343
Personally, I would say the first nights felt like ass because I couldn't sleep with the thing on and I would say it was a month in with a good mask and settings that I really noticed a clearer head. But I slowly lost that feeling of freshness i guess because it was normal now.
My wife at least tells me theres a huge difference as I was quite irritable before apparently

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Not the OP but I had a sleep study performed yesterday and they told me that my results came back perfect, even though I am mouthbreath and snore during the night. im so glad i wont have to wear this nigger

>>77046029
No, surprisingly im extremely gassy in the morning and I googled it and it can actually happen since you are in taking extra air. I swear its like clock work when I wake up I cut super loud rippers for like 30 mins every morning

>>77046342
>>77046296
Almost like you cant just go here and buy one from a boomer who died.
https://www.secondwindcpap.com/product-category/refurbished-cpap-machines/

>>77046462
is there a way to force yourself to breathe through your mouth instead of nose?
also i feel like whenever i try breathing through my mouth i end up drooling lol

>>77046733
The point of the cpap is so you breathe through your nose. Mouth falling open during sleep causes snoring and sleep disruptions

>>77046733
You shouldnt be mouthbreathing anon. My sleep study results came back as perfect despite the snoring/mouth breathing because I mouth breath due to chronic non allergic rhinitis and an enlarged uvula (which was in turn caused by enlarged adenoids that i have had removed previously). You should always strive to breath through your nose

>>77046812
>>77046825
let me tell you a story; a few years ago i got nose surgery because my nose is genetically fucked up, and i went from being a mouth breather to a nose breather
the thing is, not too long after that my nose started suffering from allergies and chronic rhinitis, and my sleep quality went to shit
i've tried many things like air purifiers and air humidifiers, but at this point, i'd prefer to become a mouth breather again because at least my sleep quality was fine
bad sleep is genuinely ruining my life

>>77046855
Fix your immune system.

>>77046898
HOW

>>77041715
similar story on my end OP. Finally got a sleep study done after avoiding it for years. Got diagnosed with sleep apnea, got a CPAP and was super against wearing it, but decided to try for one night. Became a true believer overnight, didn't know it was even possible to get a night's sleep this restorative. I'll preach to the heavens to get a sleep study no matter how fat or skinny you are, will legitimately change your life

>>77047026
Its insane. I was waking up everyday with a heavy chest, like someone was sitting on my chest all night. That's gone. I was waking up so tired i feel like I could sleep all day and would actually fall asleep at work on my breaks if I shut my eyes. That's gone. I have less anxiety, I feel more motivated and everything doesn't feel like a chore. A good night's sleep is severely underrated. I suggest anyone who has issues go get a cpap now. Im 36 and have one and some people put up with that until theyre old

>>77046324
isn't it dangerous to buy one without a professional fine-tuning the settings beforehand?

certified unc thread

>>77046255
I sleep on my back cause I'm scarred of testicular torsions.

>>77047098
Sounds like you need some spiritual protections during the witching hour.

>>77047152
yes

>>77047000
shoulda ate boogers as a kid

>>77047383
i'm serious

>>77048012
so am I

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>>77046288
>insane how CPAPs and having sleep apnea got demonized
>20% of all obstructive sleep apnea patients are not obese
This like the former osteosarcoma patient with chemo skill issues who wondering why everyone think they lost the leg to a diabetic motorcycle in Afghanistan; it's just statistics.

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>>77041715
I'm a 11% BF bro and still have mild Sleep Apnea. (29in waist)
Apparently it's genetic.
7 events per hour.(AHI)
Had the deviated septum surgery and got a CPAP.
Definitely an improvement.
Faster mile time
More endurance
Better healing
Faster muscle recovery
Better erections

I can only imagine how good the 40+ AHI fatties feel after a CPAP.

>>77046303
Increase the pressure range.
99% of people get units rated for 4-12
As end up not getting any benefits.
Try 6-12 and work up from there
My dad was the same way.
Didn't get any benefits until I set it to 6-10

why is everyone in this thread shilling cpap's?
kinda sus...

>>77048391
you could also be hypothyroid which can cause central sleep apnea

>>77049947
You will use the cpap machine

You will have a better sleep

You will ask no questions

>>77050633
>hypothyroid
Possible.
My dad has hyperthyroidism from Agent Orange exposure in Vietnam.

>>77041715
lose weight fatty, sleep apnea every type, every variety shows positive correlation with weight loss.
Body mass increase of any form makes sleep apnea worst.

>>77042042
hypoglossal nerve stimulation
https://nyxoah.com/

>>77051091
I went from around 11.2% BF to 10% ish and had a reduction of apnea events.
It's crazy how even being lean effects events that much.

>>77052455
>hoax

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>>77042042
sorry anon, your genetics failed you, get used to using that hand with your old man machine lmao!

>>77041715
>47 gasps for breath per hour
holy jesus, I was lethargic at 6. I'm kind of surprised you didn't just die at that point lol

>>77053833
no... NOOOOOOOOOOOO

let's say i want a sleep study, how do i make sure i do not have a wet dream and completely embarrass myself?

bump?

The only annoyance since my improved sleep is that it gets cut short more than I'd like it. Like since my overall sleep quality is better I now barely get 6 hours, which is far from optimal but I do feel better than 9 hours of shitty sleep. I'm still not quite calibrated though.

I had an ENT and they said no issue with my nose and prescribed me steroid spray.

Is this the NHS trying to stiff me out of getting surgery ? because I have to use a cpap machine and I'd rather just pay for the surgery but idk what type of surgery I'd require

>>77047152
idk, but I used a resmed airsense 11 auto cpap without any issues setting the settings. Theres really not a lot on that machine you can set anyway. Had it for 1y before going into an official sleep study so my insurance would start paying for my yearly masks

Struggling with my CPAP for over a year; it fixes most of my obstructive episodes, but I get like a billion open airway events (I just stop breathing for like 15s), so while I'm not a zombie in the morning I still sometimes feel like shit. Tried everything to smooth out the graphs in OSCAR but nothing really changes.

>>77053833
my wife thinks i look cute and adorable with it and kisses me every night, so i will keep wearing it goddammit!!

>>77041715
Vitamin D, calcium, salt, magnesium, easily digestible carbs, lower phosphate/fat/pufa intake are all good ideas worth trying.

Had my test last week. It was just a homekit with a strap for the chest, a strap for the stomach, oxygen finger clip and some gentle tubes inside the nostrils. The most annoying part was actually having to sleep with a t shirt on

Waiting on the results. ENT said I have large tonsils, uvula and a slight deviated septum too, so he said it was a lot of apena markers.

He also said plenty of normal weight people struggle with OSA.

>>77041715
lose weight fatass

>>77052884
>It's crazy how even being lean effects events that much.
It's literally the cause of all sleep apnea events outside of nervous system failure.

>too much mass in chest
>too much mass in back
>too much mass on sides, arms, stomach
>and finally too much mass in the neck and throat
Even the smallest mass gain at the tongue, which by the way almost all fat on the tongue is at the back of the tongue in the throat. Causes sleep apnea in 99% of cases vs bare minimum lean mass.

>>77043323
>progresssive overload your tongue

I started off with the nose-only mask and when I'd fall asleep my mouth would open and air would fly out of my mouth and wake me up. So I told them I wanna try the full masks. The full masks stop the mouth thing but im constantly getting air leaks because i move around alot in my sleep. So I tightened it super tight which fixed that problem but then I was waking up with sores and marks on my face. So now I've switched back to the nose-only mask along with a chinstrap to keep my mouth shut and wel see what happens. Ive always been a light sleeper so if this doesn't work im not sure i can even use the damn thing. Its been like 3 weeks and I haven't had a full night's sleep since I started. I wake up like 5x a night or sometimes rip off the mask in my sleep

>>77055701
Wear a condom to bed, then no one will know if it does happen. Cock cage too if you're worried about pitching a tent.

Sleep apnea is common if you're a big guy. People just don't realize how it's impacting them and how much better a cpap can make it - no one cared what it was until they put on the mask.

What I'm saying is go from cage to mask to defeat your physical struggle with the dark night. Like Bane.

>>77057629
and they had no issue with you getting a cpap on the down low ?

>all these people with sudden sleep apnea expertise, experience, or other cpap relations show up on a cantonese wood working website
you couldn't pay me to believe this thread isn't fake and gay

>>77058111
I have nothing to lose, my sleep quality is already in the gutter
might as well try it

I just sleep on my sides. Get pillows that you can form so that your head doesn't move once you are fully asleep.

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>>77058075
Have the same issues. I use the air20 full face mask. Also use a nasal strip and mouth tape. Seems to work alright. I don’t really wake up from it anymore, but sometimes I’ll wake up and I’ve taken the mask off.

>>77058111
lack of sleep does ruin your life though, so maybe it's more common that one would think

>>77042206
yes, total glossectomy. No tongue, no apnea.

I got a cpap about 8 or 9 years ago. Before it I was barely sleeping. I haven't gotten sick since I got my machine. Sleep is so important.

>>77058988
no life, no apnea

what are the best kind of masks?

>>77041715
Lmao I had to go to a sleep study when I was 22 because I was having night terrors and my wife was pissed. I chugged 3 shots of gin and a bottle of magnesium citrate, passed out, and shit my paper gown thing while sleeping.

>>77059712
why did you do that

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>>77042042
There exists exercises, but since you are post skull fusing as a adult, you can't fix the dimensions. You can only fix the alignment, partially.
TMDJ has similar problems.

You can also do posture exercises to improve(90 angled knees to wall balloon breath stuff)
But without some long term goal, its very hard to even figure out what do what

>>77058111
Fit has 24/7/52 ongoing permanent sleep copium threads.

>>77042042
I don't understand this complaint, if you get a CPAP you aren't tethered to it, you were perfectly functional before you got it, you just had shitty sleep, you can afford a night away from your CPAP every once in a while

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>>77042042
>like jesus, what about your sex life?
You do not have to wear the cpap machine while having sex. You are intended to wear it while sleeping.
>what about any time you sleep outside your house?
Cpap machines are small and can be carried in a travel bag.

>>77061095
>have sex
>hug gf
>"okay baby now let me put on my geezer mask before we go to sleep okay? and don't hug me or it could fall off"
is this the future you want?

>>77061253
>"okay babe im just going to violently snore/gasp for air/not breath for extended periods of time all night. you wont sleep at all but at least i wont look like a geezer?"

>>77061253
If the option is being a zombie? And then the insane mood swings once you ween back to CPAP?
Yes

Ideally you do physical therapy for it, do mandibular advancement, and then get surgery. But that also means your case is good.

>>77042042
>what about your sex life?
no worries there

Is there a way to know if you have sleep apnea without getting a test from dr?

>>77042206
you're fully caught up with your boosters, aren't you anon?

>>77061384
Garmin watch that has pulse ox feature. If that shit drops below 90% during the night you've got it.

If you snore a lot there's a good chance you got it.

If you're tired even after having slept there's a good chance you got it.

If you wake up gasping you definitely got it

anyone worried about long term effects on the lungs using a cpap?

>>77043323
>tongue doms
>getting tongue mogged
>Pull / Push / Tongue
>Starting Tongue
>tongue drive
>yo that's a nice tognue bro whats your routine?
we're entering a new world gentlemen

>>77061384
No one tell him

>>77041715
I got diagnosed with this and got a CPAP and it was so hard to sleep with I woke up in the middle of the night regularly. I think my nose is just too fucked somehow even for a CPAP to work, my gf told me I somehow managed to snore through the machine (I'm not sure how this is possible.)

ive been coping since then trying to find a surgeon to fix up my nose but my insurance is shit and i dont have thousands of dollars to throw at this...

>>77061512
there are?

My septum is definitly deviated. When you look up my nostril its pretty crooked in thr bridge of my nose. I snore alot and wake up alot and have lots of daytime fatigue. Can a surgery fix that or is it most likely sleep apnea?

>>77046288
I have it from previously being over 300lbs (currently at 208 and dropping) and from chain smoking. once the damage is done there is no going back.

>>77046733
mewing actually helps with sleep apnea
proper tongue placement in your mouth
also strengthening your postural muscles
especially your rotator cuffs, shoulder area, to relieve tension in the neck
jaw exercises
proper teeth alignment

>>77057546
>surgery I'd require
Probably deviated septum surgery.
It's pretty minor and helps breathing a bunch

>>77061942
septum surgery helped my Apnea but didn't cure it.
I snore way less and exercising is way easier when you can use 100% of your nose.
Think it was $1,000 after insurance.(US)
Well worth it

>>77041715
i stopped using my CPAP after i started running 13 miles a week and not being a fat fuck.as soon as i got my vo2 max over 50 i was fine