>>77054274
many gymbros are poorfags who can't afford to actually spend money on food. many others are autists who either have issues with certain types of foods or need everything to be consistent and unchanging. In either case they live sad lives that could be improved without any negatives (and even some positives) for their fitness goals.

Why do gymcels gobble down useless filler shit like rice or broccoli or avocadoes. They have 0 nutritional value and taste abominable yet they still do it out of peer pressure

>>77054274
Why does every foidslop meal looks like that?
NO I don't need to eat an avocado every fucking time I have lunch

>>77054284
>rice
agreed
>broccoli, avocados
he doesn't know about micronutrients

>>77054274
I like the taste of the food I eat, not the spices poor people have to put on food that's rotten or cooked improperly.

>>77054290
cope

>>77054289
Broccoli saps you of micronutrients since it's full of antinutrients and is by itself poor in them, rice broccoli chicken breast is probably the poorest diet in micronutrients even fruitarians and raw vegans couldnt come up with something more carence inducing if they tried
Avocadoes have nothing special and a very lame micro profile and taste like shit

>>77054294
>Items such as broccoli, Chinese cabbages, bok choi, broccoli sprouts, and some kale varietals generally contain progoitrin and thiocyanate-generating glucosinolates at concentrations far below those likely to cause a physiological effect.
>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7600777/
quit yer "antinutrient" drivel and eat some broccoli

>>77054294
we get it, broccoli yucky. you don't need to constantly say antinutrient schizo shit about it man, your mom is no longer forcing you to eat your vegetables

>>77054284
>>77054294
bro, you need to stop. you should've left this shit on 4channel.

>>77054274
Every 3 months or so I go down to the Burger King by my house and if the staff are all black I flush all my old t shirts with stains and holes down the toilet until it clogs the plumbing

>>77054299
Broccoli kale and spinach contain x3 the recommended DV of oxalate lmao

>>77054290
>t. raped carnivore

>Cruciferous vegetables, such as bokchoy, broccoli, Brussels sprouts, cabbage, cauliflower, horseradish, kale, kohlrabi, mustard, radish, rutabaga, turnip and watercress, are rich sources of glucosinolate precursors of isothiocyanates. Protease inhibitors are the most commonly encountered class of antinutritional factors of plant origin. The protein inhibitors of hydrolases present in legume vegetables are active against proteases, amylases, lipases, glycosidases and phosphatases. The major polyphenolic compounds of legume vegetables consist mainly of tannins, phenolic acids and flavonoids.
Lfmao gymcels literally gobbling down gains goblinz because they shame each other into eating "vegetables"
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=broccoli+antinutrients&oq=broccoli+antin#d=gs_qabs&t=1770011529058&u=%23p%3DlFwM7iZ1Xd0J

>>77054309
cease your existence.
https://www.webmd.com/diet/foods-high-in-oxalates
>Oxalates, also known as oxalic acid, are naturally occurring compounds in plants. You eat them in food, and your body makes them as well.
>Leafy greens, legumes, and other foods high in oxalates are rich in nutrients. But because oxalates bind to calcium as they leave your body, they can increase the risk of kidney stones in some people.
>If you’re prone to kidney stones or have kidney disease, your doctor may recommend you follow a low-oxalate diet. But for most people, the benefits of nutrient-dense, high-oxalate foods outweigh their risks.

>Low-Oxalate Foods
>Most people get between 200 and 300 milligrams of oxalates daily. If you’re at risk of kidney stones, experts suggest getting less than 100 milligrams a day. If you're at a very high risk of kidney stones, you might need to limit oxalates to 50 milligrams a day.
>1. Kale and bok choy
>Kale and bok choy are nutrient-rich greens with just 2 milligrams and 1 milligram of oxalates per cup, respectively.
>5. Broccoli
>Broccoli is a delicious low-oxalate vegetable at just 2 milligrams per cup. It’s also a good source of fiber and protein and contains many important nutrients and vitamins.

GDE prone to kidney stones because you don't drink any water, your body makes more than is in broccoli.

>>77054315
you seem to think "anti-nutrients" literally cancel out all the nutritional content of the vegetable and then also sap it away from other food. some compounds have an effect on the bioavailability of certain other compounds. like many other foods where cooking or other processing helps. you think eggs are full of anti-nutrients that cancel out your gains because of biotin? these vegetables are still a net positive in nutrients, and even if they had none they'd be worth it for the fiber and prebiotics and such. you can just not eat vegetables and suffer the consequences, no one's stopping you. but your one-man schizo anti-cruciferous crusade about anti-nutrients is absurd

>>77054274
Food is the biggest grift in human history. You're just addicted.

>>77054288
>NO I don't need to eat an avocado every fucking time I have lunch
why the hell not? what's wrong with you?

>>77054319
>Just microdose poison bro
>>77054338
Animal products contain no antinutrients lmao. And yes that it is how it works, they bind to either the molecule itself or your intestine walls or even on mitochondrial cellular level like oxalates and by proxy glucosinolates. Vegetables are the poorest source of nutrients, nutrients that get destroyed quite easily by boiling or any form of cooking including steaming. The nutritional values you're seeing are for crude uncooked vegetables. You could argue SOME of the antinutrients also get destroyed in the process but then you're literally just making your digestive system work overtime trying to ferment empty fiber that it's not adapted to absorb

>biotin is an antinutrient
Man these vegetarians are insane

>>77054347
the carnivore cries out in pain as he rapes himself

>>77054347
>>77054350
My bad, I mistyped and meant avidin. It is an anti-nutrient that blocks the biotin.

Why do you think vegetables are all-or-nothing? I eat plenty of animal products.

>>77054274
time.
mine is actually valuable.

>>77054360
I just dont see a point in vegetables as opposed to animal products + fruits and vegetable-adjacent fruits like tomatoes or pumpkins. Vegetables are a net negative nutritionally and take extra preparation because they're simply not appetizing or human food at all. I can roast meat and some liver inside a pumpkin and have a delicious nutritionally complete meal i enjoy that promotes growth meanwhile people spin their wheels on broccoli and rice only to end up with carences that placebo supplements will never solve and they cant go against the dogma either because they'll get mobbed by roidtranny worshippers who think whatever jay cutler did on decagrams of PEDs will also work for them

>>77054371
>Vegetables are a net negative nutritionally and take extra preparation because they're simply not appetizing or human food at all
this is simply false though

look, avoid the vegetables if you want. but "antinutrients" is a narrative created to shill a diet. you can easily point at compounds in complex processes, exaggerate some effects and ignore others, and lump them together. do some reasearch that shows some isolated data points, vaguely gesture at a potential problem, and turn it into a boogeyman. tons of shit like this in science, particularly medicine and nutrition

you should be familiar with this and how bullshit it is if you're happy to eat red meat and organs. not scared of heart attack, stroke, or cancer from "scary" things like saturated fat & cholesterol, tmao, hcas, pahs, heme iron, nitrites, nitrates, purine, vitamin a?

my personal opinion is the fiber and benefits to gut biome far and away justify most of these vegetables you're scared of. them being good seems to be the scientific concensus. and it makes sense, since humans have been eating vegetables since before we even started farming

>>77054397
>"antinutrients" is a narrative
It's a well agreed upon scientific fact. Tannins sap your body of iron, oxalate block thyroid function amongst other thing, phenolic acids interfere with protein synthesis. Most vegetables contain a cocktail of these with one of them being usually in high dosage. It's a risk you shouldnt take for the very low "benefits" they supposedly have.
>my personal opinion is the fiber and benefits to gut biome
Fiber is just cellulose for the most part when it comes to grains and vegetables, it's indigestible and if anything promotes gut microbiome diversity which actually wrecks your intestines. You can get fiber from fruits anyways.
>and it makes sense, since humans have been eating vegetables since before we even started farming
This is simply wrong and misleading most vegetables are the domesticated offspring of plants you wouldnt even bother to put a name on a few hundred years ago. Your statement doesn't make sense at all since humans would never consume such plants if it werent for agriculture and domestication.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2752538/

>>77054424
the animals you eat are domesticated offspring of animals you didn't eat a few hundred years ago either.

>>77054433
Thousands if not tens of thousands*
Yet i can hunt down the undomesticated version. And they're not that different and both are edible. Meanwhile the ancestor of broccoli and cauliflower is a flower with a thin stem even cows wouldnt dare to eat considering how toxic it is

>>77054437
you ain't hunting shit without a gun.
you've likely never done any manual labor in your life either.
you're a joke.

>>77054284
It’s the same bait every thread

>>77054424
you've obviously worked backward to justify what you want to believe, no point in arguing with you. i don't get why you can't just say "i don't want to eat vegetables" instead

vegetables are not poison. humans domesticated and modified them just like fruits and animals and have been eating them just fine for over 10000 years. long before that, since before our species even existed, they were eating their wild ancestors - everything from seeds, roots, stems, leaves, fruiting bodies, and yes, flowers. many are still close to their ancient relatives and many wild edible ones still exist. their fiber prevents issues by moving things along (including toxins and carcinogens) in your digestive tract and cleaning it up. most importantly, they are a huge boon to your gut biome, one of the most important parts of your health and one we are still learning how all-encompassing it is. i'm sad you've nuked yours, between that and your excess consumption of animal products in general and specific i would be worried about cancer being a legit risk

i'm going to keep eating vegetables and lean meats and fish and legumes and eggs/dairy and fruits. you can keep doing you. i just wish you weren't constantly so insufferable about it

>>77054443
>you've likely never done any manual labor in your life either.
Yes i'm not a slave lmao what do you think it's something to be proud of to be someone elses bitch

>>77054470
>vegetables are not poison
Yet you cant eat them raw at all and even cooked they're still indigestible.

>meats are not poison
Yet you cant eat them raw at all and even cooked they're still indigestible.

>>77054474
The fuck are you talking about nigga?

>>77054473
>can't
>indigestible
a vast majority of the human population have been doing so since prehistory, with notable exceptions like the inuit. you have fallen for a scam

>>77054471
>never even mowed his own lawn
>thinks he can hunt an animal
LOL!

>>77054274
Why is adding "avocado" to any meal a cheat code to make it "healthy"? Why mention "torture" and "bland meals" in the same OP? Why does OP always suck so much cock? Why is this shit even allowed on this subforum? Why isn't there a cooking board where this baiting would make sense?
So many questions. But hey, at least I see through you.

>>77054274
I've been told they deliberately make bland food so they train themselves to not look forward to meals. I suppose it's an alternative to having high willpower to resist the appeal of a good meal.

>>77054274
>Why can't gymbros cook?
Americans can't cook period. The slop you guys are shovling into your gaping maws is impressively disgusting. I've seen guys like pigmie or whatever he's called trying to eat only broccoli with not even salt for weeks. Or refusing to add water to cold and dried-in rice porridge and making himself eat what I can only call cold rice-concrete. So I agree bodybuilder take it to the enxt level, but US food is generally bad and bland in the first place. I'm always shocked when on vacation there.

Ironically, I really enjoy hash browns though.

>>77054480
Demonstrably wrong >>77054424

>>77054306
Based and genius. Why didn't I think of this way of disposing old clothes.

>>77054561
oh yes you "demonstrated it" with that nonsense text. far better than thousands of years of evidence and the mainstream consenus ever could

on an anecdotal level, it's honestly weird how i'm not sick or dead, with how much "poison" i've eaten. especially strange how many nonagenarian and centenarians my family has

>>77054306
>>77054563
why do your clothes stain and get torn every 3 months ??

>>77054580
I'm fat.

>>77054274
women just hate the fact that men are content with less, god damn.
eating for nutrients/function should be more accepted than eating for pleasure 4 times a day, these people just eat to fill the void in their boring lives

>>77054579
It's very convenient to ignore one of the most thorough studies and most cited ones linked right at the end of the post since you have no counter-proof.

>>77054683
>Hover over post
>No study
Nice manifesto just dont shoot up anyone

>>77054274
Something I've learned is that most people can't cook and don't want to learn or spend the time cooking.
Because for whatever reason, they would rather sit on their phone or watch the TV. Ironically, in alot of cases, watching some one else cook or eat.

Personally I enjoy the process of cooking a meal. It's fun for me.
That and experimenting with new recipes, too.
Such an important life skill and even more so when you get to share it with some one else.

>>77054274
People with actual lives don't have enough free time and energy to spare to make a unique meal every single day, multiple times a day. Women who get life on easy mode cannot conceive that meal prepping is done specifically to provide free time in the long run
>b-b-but it looks bland!
yeah, shit that you're intending to keep for multiple days won't look great by default

>>77054274
Having cooking skills is just another pointless mating ritual forced upon us by modernity. Bottom dude should be running down a fucking elk to bring back to the tribe, but instead he has to impress retards on social media with increasingly arcane shibboleths. I can't hate on the poor neanderthal, were selecting against simple dudes like him.

>>77054586
Using an anime avatar is a guarantee a poster on the Internet is a tranny

>>77054588
>Isotopic analysis provides information about the sources of dietary protein over a number of years, even though it does not measure the caloric contributions of different foods. As the method only measures protein intake, many low-protein foods that may have been important to the diet (i.e., high caloric foods like honey, underground storage organs, and essential mineral and vitamin rich plant foods) are simply invisible to this method.
wow they only checked for protein sources. i guess meat had more protein than vegetables even back then, huh? too bad it wasn't conclusive at all about how many vegetables they consumed, especially ones that would be mostly fiber and maybe carbs. i guess we conclusively determined they weren't herbivores, which i don't believe i argued

if you actually read the thing it is mostly noting that neanderthals had less variation in the meat they ate, focusing on the large herbivores, while the early modern humans ate a wider range of meat like smaller game and aquatic sources.

in fact the oldest human data they could get, the only one that was contemporary with the neanderthals, seems to have eaten more fish than any of the other samples

this is all specifically in europe of course, during the ice age. likely that would have meant they eaten much less plants than the humans further south, who we have evidence of eating things like tubers ("underground storage organs") since tens of thousands of years before the earliest neanderthal in this study existed

still looks to me like you're going backwards, searching for small bits of evidence for your desired conclusion

not really important to my arguments, but now i'm curious. what kind of meat do you eat? mostly wild big game? any chicken? lot of fish?

>>77054284
I like stir fried broccoli with some lemon juice, that shit's delish

>>77054274
Says the cumslut who has no job and living off her cuck husband's money

Meal prep and eating properly is a pain in the ass. I wish I could be on a permanent cut so didn't have to deal with it.

>>77054473
>>you can't eat [vegetables] raw
are you unfamiliar with "salad"

>>77054274
If you give up on some basic pleasures, after a while, you start to gain some higher levels of satisfaction in return.

>>77055070
Or you become anhedonistic and shut down some basic functions.

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>>77054397
>look, avoid the vegetables if you want. but "antinutrients" is a narrative created to shill a diet.
Do people really just go on the internet and lie?
>my personal opinion is the fiber
Oh, nevermind. It's just retardation.

>>77054319
>your body makes more than is in broccoli.
>your body makes waste products, so you should eat more waste products in order to get more fiber which is not even usable.
What a fucking waste of time.

>>77054274
Let me help you out:
1) cook fatty ground beef in a skillet
2) add eggs. Scramble.
3) put on a plate and add shredded cheddar
4) add salt, hot sauce, salsa, avocado/guac
5) pair with a liter of milk
6) enjoy your infinite gains.

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>>77054294
>since it's full of antinutrients and is by itself poor in them
It's not, stop watching Youtube con-men

>>77054274
I just don't care enough.
As long as it tastes alright and gets me the macros I want, that's good enough for me.

>>77054274
>gym bros just want to be miserable
I never got the insistance on mealprepping=misery. I've found my life to be significantly less miserable since I've started mealprepping. But I have actual shit to do, so I guess that's what seperates me from the foid in OP's picrel. Notice how not one of those meals is in a container or somewhere other than her kitchen counter. It's because she's likely wfh (womanspeak for unemployed)

>>77054774
Bitter burnt flower with bitter water. Keep convicing yourself it's "delish" kek

>>77056971
How are the chicken tendies treating you, champ?

A lot of gymcels can’t live in a happy middle ground
It’s always either side, always the extreme ends

>>77054290
Based!

>>77054274
Sounds like skill issues. Most basic stuff like seasoning meat is really easy and has significant health and performance-enhancing benefits if you do it right. I keep some pre-made jeet plant slop and the like in the freezer, but I cook almost all my own meat dishes that generally come out better than the local restaurants I occasionally try.

>>77054274
I don't know if this is why they do it but sometimes when I need to lose weight I make boring bland food because if I make food that tastes too good I'll over eat. If I just have some boring shit like plain chicken, rice, a sweet potato... I'll literally get bored of eating and stop, which is the point.

>>77054371
>extra preparation
you literally just wash and eat them like a fruit

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Let me guess, you NEED more?

>>77058884
Yes, my sanity would be tested eating this every day.

>>77058884
You should definitely consume more than white rice and ground beef if you care about being healthy and improving performance. Supplements only go so far.

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>>77054274

>>77054274
I eat a shitload of carbs then use protein powder to hit 100g of protein a day. Imagine thinking you need to eat tasteless filth every meal to hit le macros.

>>77058884
Some cheese and mustard or hot sauce.

>>77059608
>just use industrial waste products as the core of your diet bro!

>>77058857
I want to see you washing spinach or potatoes and eating it raw regularly

Cooking is gay and effeminate. If your plate features more than 3 whole ingredients you are GAY and probably eat slave food like plants.

>>77054274
>gym bro doesn't know how to cook, but chases his goal the only way he knwos how
What an idiot. What a meathead. Stupid roidmonkey.
>ordinary person doesn't know how to cook, has no goals, just watches netflix slop and orders doordash slop
Can we please normalize this and realize it's a form of self-care? Life is hard enough. People are tired, working 5 jobs to cover rent. So what's wrong with being "lazy" for your mental health? We also can't all be perfect at everything.

>>77054294
>yeah uh, this youtube video / fat diet book written by a guru tells me that stuff I love like bacon and ribs and fried chicken is like, really good for me, and yucky stuff everyone says is good for you like vegetables and fruits are actually BAD
>oh boy this sure is convenient, now I get to justify my shitty habits and not have to change in any way

>>77059776
Nobody on planet Earth likes broccoli, even people who claim to love and eat broccoli on a regular basis need to incinerate it to death and cover it with 50 sauces to mask the vile taste of broccoli. Children have go be forcefed broccoli by their abusive parents . Avocado is not far off, it tastes like grassy ass and nobody eats it raw

>>77059784
I never said everyone likes broccoli.
I said it's good for you.

>>77059788
Nobody that tastes bad is good for you.

>>77054362
This. This is the real answer. Most of these foids are unemployed or working some meme part time job.

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>>77054274
you will never properly have a healthly lifestyle unless you learn how to cook

>>77059776
This is the biggest strawman i've ever seen in my life. No one said fried chicken or bacon are good for you or that fruits are bad. No one mentioned any books or gurus. The matter of the fact is that broccoli is not only poisonous for you but also tastes horrific.
You're forcing yourself to eat poison because some nobody with 1k followers is pushing whatever schizo babble you wrote.

>1lb ground meat
>garlic/onion/chillies/chinese olive vegetable
>fry in pan
>serve on rice with steamed veg

simple as

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I love to cook but I don't think you gotta overcomplicate things as well. For breakfast some bread, eggs and ham go a long way together with some fruits, same for lunch where it can just be a bowl of skyr with some blueberries and pumpkin seeds. Then for dinner you can make something fancy.

>>77054362
>no time to meal prep
>why not?
>i've got 4 hours of shitposting and scrolling on /fit/ due today

>>77054294
Goatis brainrot and its consequences have been a disaster for the internet

>>77055065
>>>you can't eat [vegetables] raw
>are you unfamiliar with "salad
these niggas forgot about the existence of salads holy shit

the way they talk about vegetables they should be amazed vegans survive for more than a week

>>77059924
No one said vegetables kill you. They simply make you malnourished and weak which vegans and vegetarians are