>>77054380
generic store brand bread that is made out of plastic is not the sole cause but it is a large contributor. you should probably view it more as a symbol of the problem with the food supply. instead of focusing on a single item focus on the trends observed across the wide spectrum.
look for ingredients that appear across multiple products, and try to cook your own meals from basic ingredients.

>>77054380
This would be mitigated with whole wheat flatbread since carb brain tards think anyone who dislikes their slavefeed is a conspiracy theorist. Might as well take a more subtle approach than giving them starch withdrawal

>>77054391
>made out of plastic
you're supposed to unwrap it brah

>>77054404
>xhe doesn't know
ignorance is bliss.

>>77054380
It’s sugar

>>77054391
>try to cook your own meals from basic ingredients.
homemade bread is based

>>77054380
Modern bread for sure isn't good. Particularly at most people's activity level it's bad.

>>77054380
When did humans start eating bread? Why are we only reaping what they sowed now? Could it be that other things have changed?

No. The bread is to blame.

>>77054444
checked the digs. saged the thread.

>>77054498
It's always been slave feed.

>>77054380
Make your own whole grain bread. It's perfectly healthy. And also taste's good.

ITT Americans

>>77054391
FPBP, this is the correct, sober conclusion. Did no one tell you that this is a shitposting schizo forum?

>>77054525
weird how all the slaves, as well as the "slaves" like peasants, soldiers, pretty much the vast majority of the human population, didn't have all these modern diseases

>>77054643
Slaves were pretty sick and barely strong enough to do labor, why would someone have a slave stronger than them or more able lol you're crazy

>>77054380
>Ubiquitous in western life and now found worldwide, bread is the food of modernity
"give us this day our daily bread"
Bread has been the staple since agriculture

>>77054444
It's carbs. Sugar is just a carb bread is equally bad.

>>77054667
the people doing all the physical labor including fighting the wars all being physically weak and near death, sure

>>77054380
>hmm, we're sicker than ever before throughout all of human history
>surely the cause must be the one single handcrafted food eaten longer than literally any other one

it's cheap ingredients and soil depletion, retard

>>77054742
I think it's probably more lack of exercise and all that. I never get sick, because I'm physically active

You niggas realise the type of grain is different than it was 2 or 300 years ago right? When i eat American toast my stomach hurts like hell but when i eat the bread in Europe i don't feel a thing. The modern grain is garbage and almost indigestible.

>>77054856
sounds more like the American grain and whatever the fuck else they're doing to make the 'bread' is the problem if the European grain and method caused you no ill.

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>>77054380
>Is bread the root cause of all modern health issues?
Sigh. This thread again.

>>77054667
Yeah, you're right. The people who built society and did all the manual labor were all sick and weak and dying. That's how all the manual labor got done.

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>>77054875

>>77054876
>Non-sequitur anime pic response.
Concession accepted. Sorry your point made no sense.

>>77054876
i was snickering at your sarcasm you peanut. the other anon is a retard

>>77054869
Yeah pretty much. There used to be an older variety of grain here which was soft but it's all gone since farmers were supplied with what they thought was a better grain. Now it's pretty much extinct

>>77054856
Europe uses the same grain.

>>77055028
It's different than the American one.

>>77055036
No, it is the same.

>>77055089
1900's America focused on making high-yielding and disease-resistant red wheat, and now we have modern wheat varieties. They were bred to have way more gluten. This is the common staple wheat in America. Not to mention during processing the US adds a shit ton of glyphosates and iron-enriches it. The iron used in this process is not easily absorbed by our bodies, it accumulates in the gut and grows pathogenic bacteria. Europe kept it's ancient grain and banned glyphosates and chose not to enrich their flour because of the risk it poses. Not only is the grain different than the American one but how it's processed is also different. This is why countries with shit grains and bad processing often have gluten sensitivity and celiac disease.

>>77054872
you forgot to add a pile of meat to make the vegans feel good.

>>77055446
Memes are based on generalizations. There are no vegans here

Look up Glyphosate

>>77055491
Nah

>>77055491
I worded it wrong, it's in an herbicide sprayed before planting but there are still glyphosates found when the wheat is processed into flour. That's not good either way

>>77055491
Also known as Roundup™ sprayed on Roundup™ ready crops that have been genetically modified to resist the herbicide. Nasty shit, definitely not fit for human consumption, and it's a broad spectrum herbicide so it kills basically everything except the genetically modified crops. Terrible for the environment and I would never want that shit anywhere near my yard.

>>77054380
All bread is garbage, modern bread is just even worse. Grains are some of the worst shit you can eat, just starvation "food". And for the dumbass vegans who stalk this place everyday, the bioavailability of nutrients in grains (and any whole plant source to be honest) is hard proof that we lack adaptation to it. Persisting in consuming foods for which we lack adaptation is called Evolutionary Mismatch, and the results are exactly the same as if our environment had suddenly changed counter to our adaptations; it results in sickness, infertility and eventually extinction.

>>77056009
Why do you samefag your own threads?

>>77054380
>Despite sharing almost the exact same lifestyle and all our modern comforts the developed nations of Asia do not face these same issues to even half the degree their Western counterparts do. Why? Simple: bread.
asia eats bread too, retard

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Can't lie guys, this field of wheat is really making my mouth water.

Same fucking retarded shit every fucking day around here. You're all morons.

>>77057096
You solved a captcha to post this

whats the difference between white bread and white rice?

>>77057192
Mostly simple sugars vs mostly complex sugars. It only really matters for diabetics, ultimately both are just sugars.

>>77057192
Bread is ultra-processed.

>>77057195
>>77057197
i bought jasmine rice, is that going to be fine to eat or should i do brown rice?? looking for a healthy way to get more calories.

>>77057204
>rice
>healthy
kek

>>77057204
>looking for a healthy way to get more calories.
So eat real food?

>>77057244
like what? more chicken tuna and eggs? im already using olive oil added to food. i did an hour long cardio workout today and that alone burned 500 calories.

>>77057261
>more chicken tuna and eggs
Yes.

>>77057261
Stop being a retarded lipophobic gymcel and eat fatty foods. Sardines, pork, cheese, butter, eggs

>>77057195
Both are complex sugars.

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god I fucking love bread

>>77057261
>i did an hour long cardio workout today and that alone burned 500 calories.
Are you trying to gain weight? Why are you doing this if that's your goal

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>>77054380
>bread
American bread isn't real food.

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>>77057568
Stop acting like we don't have the exact same trash here in spades

>>77057568
>not understanding that there's a time and place for all different kinds of bread
Don't you serve me no grilled cheese on that German brick shit.

>>77057690
weak
>Duetchland uber alles

>>77054394
>whole wheat flatbread
jeet in here schilling his roti

>>77054380
>is living on a diet that is more energy dense than nutritious your whole life a bad thing?
Yes.

>>77057728
The fact that you think the only flatbread is the one your jeeta mommy fed you and how you put a name on such a vaguz edescriptive tells me you're a self-hating indian

>>77057685
>>77057568
You know, this is another nigger issue. America would be one of the healthiest nations on earth if you removed them. Female nigs & beaners are the fattest demographics in the U.S. subtract those and the U.S. would instantly be healthier than most of europe.

>>77057747
>blacks forced me to eat bread

Listen up, ya idjits.
>muh modern diseases
They were still blaming health issues on ill humors 150 years ago. They were still bloodletting for everything well into the 1900s. Modern diseases are just a symptom of modern medicine actually being able to diagnose the same things we've always had. You know what disease you can attribute to grains in our diets? Fucking longevity. Not having to hunt and gather for every stupid calorie is why we live long enough to even get sick.
>muh European bread
Americans have access to all the same bread types Europeans do. Whose fault is it that you only shop on the bottom shelf where they keep the wonderbread? That's right, it's your fault. Fix your posture and look at what's available up top.
>whole wheat, whole grain, blah blah
Fiber and vitamins. There's no fucking magic in what's lost in the milling process, it's just fiber and vitamins, and not even a lot of either. If you're eating your fruits and vegetables because you're not a fucking child then this doesn't matter.
>sugar in muh bread
Industrial bakeries use about the same amount of sugar per loaf as they do salt. It's maybe a tablespoon for a 1lb loaf. It's not there as a sweetener, unless you're eating something that's meant to be sweet like brioche, it's there as a yeast regulator.
>fortified flour
The iron is literally there because poors and women won't eat meat for some stupid reason. Look it up. No, iron in your flour doesn't cause your gut biome to go wackadoodle. In fact, if you think gut anything, you don't get to talk - you're clearly getting your info from your mother's Facebook feed and any random health guru grifter you see parroting whatever bad science is popular today.

>t. Rational adult.

>>77057763
Retard, I'm saying America being perceived as so unhealthy in various global health screening trends is cause browns throw the numbers off

>>77054404
>he doesn't eat the bread shell
Cmon anon that's the best part

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>>77057747
I appreciate the sentiment but no, not even close. 32.4% of white US adults are obese compared to 36% of spics and 41.8% of niggers, bringing the national average to 33.1%. Even if you removed spics and niggers you'd still be much fatter than almost all of Europe.

>>77057764
It was already explained that European wheat is different than American wheat earlier in the thread, genius. And the gut biome is real, no matter what nonsense some boomers post on Facebook. It's real and you should eat stuff to help it flourish.
You thought this would be a /thread moment but it's not, you're just babbling about shit you're wrong about that's already been answered in this thread.

>>77057783
My friend, you're talking to a guy that was a professional baker for well over a decade. I know more about the differences in wheat than you do, and I've baked with all manners of wheat varieties. Including imported French and Italian wheats. There have been regional varieties since the dawn of wheat - pray tell, which do you in your infinitely small wisdom think we as a species are most adapted to?

And the gut biome is real, sure. But nothing you read online about it is based in responsible science. Did you know, it just kind of adapts to whatever you feed it? Shocking, I know.

Quit repeating things gleaned only from the first paragraphs of blogs that all end with "buy my supplements" and learn to think for yourself.

>>77057764
>vegetables
>vitamins
Lmao

>>77057845
What do you eat

Don't know if bread has changed even more to shit or if people just got sick, but it seems that like half of people are gluten intolerant nowadays whether they know it or not.

And I live in northern europe so the quality is probably higher than at least what counts as food in the usa.
t. >>77057942

>>77054380
More like
>Bread is the source of all civilization, and all that entails, including the industrial revolution and its consequences.

>>77057876
Muscle-enhancing animal tissue.

>>77057776
Stfu, all western nations are equally bad and pretending otherwise is the dumbest fucking bullshit.

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>dude what if we took some wheat (a literal grass plant (Poaceae))
>milled it up
>hydrated it
>added bactaria that eats some of the sugars
>the bactaria then farts out gas which makes it rise
>then we subject it to a high heat

cornerstone of western civilization, fed generations of soldiers and thinkers, but bread as a concept is so fucking wierd when you think about it

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>>77057952
Yeah, don't pretend like Europe isn't just a fucking fat.

>>77057951
Thats it?

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>>77057955
>AI phone screenshot
Yeah I'm sure thats accurate

>>77057764
>Look it up. No, iron in your flour doesn't cause your gut biome to go wackadoodle.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002916523021470
Not only is it useless because you don't absorb over 90% of it, it fucks up your gut microbe. Sure they had good intentions but it doesn't fucking work.
>You know what disease you can attribute to grains in our diets? Fucking longevity.
Around 85% of minerals in soil were lost in the past 150 years ago. They didn't spray their land with Roundup™ back then as the other anon said. There's barely any nutrition in it. Not even just wheat but corn too.
>muh sugar
Most larger scale and commercial bakeries use high fructose corn syrup and sneed oils too.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9551185/
>Americans have access to all the same bread types Europeans do.
We have access but it's not so easy. You walk into any restaurant and market in Europe and you're guaranteed quality bread. Unless the flour is imported here from Europe or grown in the same way you don't have the same shit. Plus bakeries here are expensive. The average American doesn't have the same good bread as your average euro.
>Modern diseases are just a symptom of modern medicine
That doesn't explain obesity, diabetes, rise in immunity disorders. The modern lifestyle is completely different. Of course you'll get diseases and problems when you change what was a more natural lifestyle. Even the shitty peasant bread 150 years ago was more nutritious and less harmful than most American bread lol.

>>77058016
>That doesn't explain obesity, diabetes, rise in immunity disorders
Please provide evidence that this is caused by bread. Thats a big claim.

>>77058021
I'm not blaming bread alone, I explicitly mentioned the modern lifestyle is completely different.

>>77058026
Ah, sorry for misinterpreting. Thats on me.

>>77055989
>never want it in your yard
its everywhere now, same with PFAs. Its contaminated 99.9% of all sources and found on every continent. Thank dupont and 3m for destroying the entire ecosystem to make a profit

>>77057954
i taught my kids that bread is full of yeast farts and alcohol is their piss lol

>>77057774
nah, bread clip is the best part. occlupanids are delicious. miss me with that twisty tie shit

>>77058041
No worries anon, you're a good sport.

>>77058043
>Thank dupont and 3m for destroying the entire ecosystem to make a profit
they are making a profit while they destroy the ecosystem
there is a difference

>>77058043
i love 3m products

>>77058016
>That 1st study was about African children living in squalor. Go ahead, actually read it. They noticed a little change in gut biome, but couldn't strongly correlate it with any actual symptoms.
>Not a fan of the roundupifucation, but have you heard of fertilizer?
>hfcs is just sugar in a particular ratio of types - it's not poison it's just cheap. Seed oils - you're not doing much to contradict my grift victim accusations there.
>There are areas of America where people just have shit access to everything, yes. On average, though, Americans have access to everything and anything. Every single grocery store in my area sells fresh baked bread of all kinds - don't even have to go to a specialty bakery.
>Yes it fucking does explain "modern diseases" you fucking moron. They didn't have the names for things, let alone understand them. They just called everything stupid things like "consumption" and started letting blood to balance the humors at the first sign of a cold.

You have no legs to stand on here. Just quit.

>>77058251
Learn how to greentext bro, seriously.

>>77058251
>couldn't strongly correlate it with any actual symptoms.
The kids still ended up with with a completely different gut than initially, more pathogenic bacteria also but they couldn't correlate it to iron fortification because the sample size was too small and African kids often shit themselves that's why they give them iron retard. You also completely skipped over that iron fortification didn't really help as much as we think it does. If you take iron supplements and read their side effects gastrointestinal problems is written in fucking bold for you.
>Not a fan of the roundupifucation, but have you heard of fertilizer?
Ok, try convincing most American wheat farms to stop using it then.
>Every single grocery store in my area sells fresh baked bread of all kinds.
Good for you, I also buy imported flour but it is still not the most common type of grain or processing in America. It's still mostly garbage.
>They just called everything stupid things like "consumption" and started letting blood to balance the humors at the first sign of a cold.
You're right in certain aspects yes but you can't generalize it my dude. Obesity didn't increase because they didn't have a name for it, and allergies are pretty fucking obvious even 200 years ago yet they're way more common now, especially in developed countries. Why are way more people suddenly sensitive to bread and flour or get random allergies? Why are so many youngins getting heart problems and palpitations? the lifestyles have changed.

>>77057764
they've been able to diagnose diabetes since ancient times, they could tell your pee was sweet. only you used to just die from things like that and celiac and heart disease and cancer (they knew about this too) and whatever else. not many fat people either, especially as fat as they get now

>>77054380
>Whether it is diabetes, heart disease, liver failure, or simply obesity and all its associated afflictions a clear direct link can be establish between it and bread.

> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31159235/
> Intake of whole grains is associated with decreased body weight

> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24158434/
> Whole grain intake is associated with decreased risk of Type 2 Diabetes and refined grains are NOT associated with increased risk of Type 2 Diabetes

> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32552292/
> Increasing tertiles of fiber intake were significantly associated with 3% lowered risk MetS in adolescents age 13-18 years. Additionally, increasing intake tertiles of fiber were associated with reduced risk elevated cholesterol (5-11% reduction), elevated diastolic blood pressure (10-23% reduction) in adolescents age 13-18 years, and risk of obesity (3-5% reduction) in children and adolescent age 2-18 years. Increasing tertiles of whole grain intake were only associated with reduced risk of elevated triglycerides (52% risk reduction) in adolescents age 13-18 years.

> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31301131/
>Whole grain intake does not increase inflammation and may decrease inflammation

>>77057764
>Listen up, ya idjits.
Stopped reading there

>>77057974
You know you can literally click the sources they give and figure it out yourself you brainlet

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25091048/

>>77058375
They didn't give any sources.

>>77058380
Yeah we know you're tech illiterate you fucking zoomer.

>>77058398
Please show me where anyone posted that link. I await the response owning me.

>>77057728
Naan bread is tasty, Tortboy!

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>>77058405
>can literally copy and paste what the original image wrote
>Get almost the exact same AI response
>Expand and click the link for the source of the data

You would never have survived on the internet 20 years ago. Jesus Christ

>>77057954
We started out with flatbreads, then with wild sourdough, then someone made beer and then someone else mixed the beer yeast with flour.
Better than having to repeatedly soak some tubers so they're not toxic anymore like in some tropical lands.

>>77058429
I'm glad we agree nobody posted that source.

definitely not my great grandparents were farmers and lived to late nineties with great health. maybe the stuff they put in bread now is harmful. personally i dont eat the stuff i eat worse stuff like cake or better stuff like salad i just never liked bread it tastes like nothing to me

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>>77054380
Shit bread is evil.

Actual bread is delicious and healthy, perfect to fuel an active lifestyle

>>77058271
>SHOULD I DO IT LIKE THIS
>>77058347
>Gut bacteria changed measurably (no shit, I already said it adapts to diet) but they found no correlation with that change and any symptoms of sickness.
Read that? The change in the gut didn't do anything. Also it says there that they attributed the lack of absorption to other dietary factors. Learn to read.
>Glosses over the part where fertilizer fixes any so called soil depletion's effect on the final product.
Yup.
>Lead a horse to water...
But he still won't learn how to work a grocery store.
>You're so close...
Obesity is up largely because restaurant food is so cheap. For decades restaurant prices haven't kept pace with inflation - things actually just started to get more expensive recently and we're all shocked about it. Nobody ate out 6+ meals a week 30, 40 years ago. It's weird that nobody ever seems to mention this when talking about obesity. People ate at home and actually, they cooked like shit - lard and butter and grease on everything - but portions were more controlled because Momma had to actually slave at that stove all afternoon to make it happen. But you went to McD's in the 90's and $3 could net you 1000+ calories.

>>77058358
Yup, this stuff has been around all along.

>>77058371
Filtered, works as intended. Nobody wants your input.

>>77054380
I started making my own bread with Italian flour.
RFK & Joe Rogan were right.
It's Flour that doesn't have cheap fillers and Weed killer mixed into it.
Makes a huge difference in taste and how you feel afterwards.
Also gets digested slower than the Goy Slopppp.

>>77058805
Yeah you should

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>>77059244
>RFK & Joe Rogan were right.

>>77058368
Association studies are less credible than religious beliefs

>>77059804
All studies are association studies

>>77054380
Bread has been the source of civilization for millenia
Find a different, more reasonable Boogeyman
I would start with refined sugar and alcohol

>>77060099
>Bread has been the source of civilization
More like the cancer. Civilization is sourced from white men.

>>77054380
No. Next question?

>>77060099
True, bread served as a cheap, easily storable food that allowed for population grown and imperial expansions. It kept slaves, later peasants, and now wageslaves, just alive enough to labor on while their masters enjoyed real food (meat)

>>77058805
>no shit, I already said it adapts to diet)
No shit but what do you think the changes are? Good bacteria like bifidobacteria and lactobacilli tend to decrease. Harmful bacteria, including enteric E. coli, tend to increase. Just because the gut adapts to the diet doesn't necessarily mean it's good. Now you have inflammation in the gut.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5701709/
Here's another study on anemic children. Sure it helps at first but above the ages of 6 months most of it is shat away. The kids also had more diarrhea. Why? Because harmful bacteria is more likely to grow in your stomach. Iron supplements in general can cause gut issues. You're better off actually eating animal products.
>Glosses over the part where fertilizer fixes any so called soil depletion's effect on the final product.
Ok if there's fertiliser why is our food still a lot more nutritionless than a century ago? Do they even use enough? Answer me that.
>Obesity is up largely because restaurant food is so cheap.
>Nobody ate out 6+ meals a week 30, 40 years ago
True, eating out is now common, portions grew a ton. But it's not just that, nowadays people are grazing on high-calorie ultra processed snacks, a ton of addictive packaged food, sugary drinks, etc. Also people are way more sedentary now. More screen time, less walking, more cars, more desk jobs, more stress, less sleep. It's not just about portions, it's also the influx of sugary and slop everywhere.
>but portions were more controlled because Momma had to actually slave at that stove all afternoon to make it happen.
Yes true.

>>77054380
I quit eating it and rice for years. Started eating it again around 3 months ago and it is lik I was in an excellerated aging machine. It sucks. Me personally, I do not tolerate these things well.