>>77054753
Try switching up your routine and approaching failure in a different way. I was getting nothing from dumbbell presses so I switched to ridiculous pushup volume (100+ per workout at least twice a week). Got noticeable growth on my pecs in like 2 weeks.

>>77054753
fly machine
sit on the edge
lean back with your upper back

you will feel those bad bois for 3 days

>>77054753
What’s your current bench? I bench 3.2pl and the cheat is my beat muscle

>>77054753
>>77054785
Flat Bench is fucking useless for Chest growth. Do Incline, Dips and Flyes.

>>77054822
Post your bench weights

>>77054753
probably not a realistic option for you but weighted push ups on push up handles, with a nice deep stretch at the bottom, im using a backpack and i put weight discs in it for a total of 20kg. btw my chest is still small because im a genetic failure but this should work for normal people

>>77054831
I don't do Bench. I'm not retarded and posting any numbers is pointless anyway, since you can easily just lie.

I gave you an advice because I'm a nice person. You can either take it or ignore it and continue to suffer. Not my problem.

>>77054753
Squeeze your elbows in and flex pecs. There's a million different ways to perform a lift. Usually people don't arch but pecs are more of a downward push whereas shoulders are what they mostly use when benching. Hard to go wrong with pec flies and machines if you are a noob.

>>77054832
Actually good idea, i will do the same trick i use for weighted pullups which is a 25lb plate inside my gym bag strapped tight to my back

>>77054850
awesome ! good luck !

>>77054842
You recommended incline bench. Post the weight?

stop lifting like a powerlifter and ignore the retards telling you to chase numbers
try to actually stimulate your chest

>>77054756
Im doing this but the opposite

>>77054753
Try a closer grip. Or idk try whatever cue works for you then see if you get a pump.

>>77054822
>>77054842
post body

>>77054822
>Incline, Dips and Flyes.
Post weights and chest ;)

>>77054822
>Flat Bench is fucking useless for Chest growth
The time I noticed my chest getting bigger I was specializing in flat bench numbers. And you type like a fag and fly is short for butterfly so adding an e is gay.

>>77054753
1RM for muscle growth is a meme. If you want to look like a bodybuilder, train like one

>>77054947
What’s your high rep bench weight?

>>77054753
My pecs only really started growing noticeably at 2.5pl8+.
>>77054785
You know what's up
>>77054822
I bench flat, medium arch
>>77054898
Did you know that lifting heavy weight...is very stimulating?

>>77054957
tension on a muscle is stimulating that doesn't mean moving a heavier weight is more stimulating for a particular muscle

>>77054964
Post your weights and rep range

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This is what did it for me. You get a nice, deep stretch as they come down and incline is safer than flat

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can't help to notice that more than half the time arnold did pecs with protracted shoulders, u can clearly see shoulders moving forward and then arms
i'm of the opinion that it's not push but pull motion/tension that's better for pecs, mostly because it's completely innocuous for shoulders, cloombers get pecs like that - pictured average cloomber

>>77054964

>Hang 5 lbs from a spring
>Spring now has 5lbs of tension
>Add another 5lbs to the spring
>There is now 10lbs of tension

Do you see how this works? Extra tension directly affects stimulation. After a certain point it becomes easier to add more weight to the bar instead of adding more reps.

>>77055301
>bench press is just like le spring

>>77054753
I had to do chest flies for these to ever grow.

>>77054753
I benched for years when I was younger and it did nothing for my pecs. A couple of years I switched to dumbbell press and the difference is night and day.

>>77054753
When I hit 2pl8 (which I realize is not special) my chest still looked like I never touched a weigh in my life. Then I got a cable tower for my home gym and started doing chest flyes and cable chest presses and my chest grew like crazy even from babby weight.

>>77055337
Explain how the pec breaks the laws of physics because it's muscle instead of metal.

>>77054753
Bench isn't gonna do it, you need a fuller range of motion along the actual path of the muscle, so shit like flys.

Pressing is not great for the chest, because you are basically just pressing, you push with the help of the chest, the anterior delts and the triceps.
Pressing/pushing is just moving the arms, causing stretching and contraction the chest in a straight line, which is not the full range of motion of the chest muscles.
People growing chest with benching are genetically gifted in the chest department.
If you have trash chest genetics you need cable crossover, cable flys, etc.
Pressing is too limited regarding the function of that muscle.
I have trash genetics and can t even grow with dumbbell flys and pec deck, fml

>>77055804
If you want to test what i said, try to do 50+ reps of benching, at the end your chest won t be that pumped.
Try to do that with biceps curls and tell me if you won t have your biceps pumped lol.
Presses are general exercises, they are good, they grow your frame bigger, but they don t target a specific muscle.

It is genuinely impossible for me to grow my upper chest. I can't feel it on a single exercise.

>>77055060
this + deep pullovers

the transition to adding them into my routine after flies was like night & day progress

>>77055375
So you can only do 2pl and your chest is shit? Color me surprised

>>77055814
You just have shit form.

>>77056130
Big true

>>77054753
Do wide grip

>>77054753
That's a good thing, dumbass, comically oversized balloon breasts don't look good on a man, having a toned but flat chest is the optimal for aesthetics

>>77054753
i grew that thing ez, with a press machine even, when i was 15
what are yall doin wrong idk

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>>77054753
You will never have piana's pec tiddies

>>77054772
I've been incidentally doing this (more of a slight lower-pec targeting) since it's the only way I don't fuck my shoulders and it's been p good.

>>77054753
This is an issue for men who have tiny ribcages.
Your pec has nothing to wrap around when it is stimulated. So you're basically doing half the movement.

>>77058079
india poster.

>>77058097
opposite newfag.
if you have a small cage, you would be a jeet.

>>77055084
Alex Megos is not your average climber, and most look like skinny dyels because that's the most optimal body morphology

>>77055804
>>77055814
>you push with the help of the chest,
No. When you bench press you are supposed to think of bringing your biceps together, not pushing the bar away. In other words, if you want to feel your chest you need to think of it as a fly, otherwise you will recruit mostly front delts and triceps.
Lower the weight, focus on form, and don't lock out.
Do this and I guarantee you will feel a chest pump and even doms.
https://youtu.be/Sz-sjGbXGak?si=qjpc68SP2C2LBdOU

>>77054753
lucky, pectoral is the mucle that grows fast for me,and I look like i have tits

>>77058131
I did some wall pushups, used the idea of pushing my biceps together and got rid of a kink i've had in my neck for like 2 years.

not sure if the rest of this is bullshit, but thanks regardless. non shitpost.
seriously thanks.

>>77058175
Huh. Glad to know that anon.

>>77054753
get breast augmentation

to be honest, you are probably not even engaging your pecs when you do your chest day, and instead your deltoids. if your shoulders are huge relative to your chest, i think you should consider this possibility.

Another strategy I do to really destroy my chest every week is drop sets. My chest day is dumbbell flat bench 80lbs dumbbells x 10, 70lbs x 10, 60lbs x 10, for a total of 4 sets. Then I do incline dumbbell bench drop sets: 60lbs x 10, 50lbs x 10, 40lbs x 10 for a total of 4 sets.

I am consistently sore every week for months and have been slowly gaining size in this bulk season.