>>77055407
>You eat less; you lose weight
>You eat more; you gain weight
>You eat at maintenance; your weight stays the same.
Simple as that.

True
2000 calories of pasta are gonna make you break PRs in the gym while 2000 calories of steak is gonna be a drain on your glycogen stores

>>77055407
CICO is correct for weight loss and is only ever talked about in regards to weight loss.

For muscle building, etc, everyone knows that 2000 calories of protein-rich food is completely different from 2000 calories of lays potato chips and soda.

CICO "deboonkers" erroneously talk about the latter without acknowledging that any talk about CICO is regarding the former. It's like saying that planes are useless because tiny islands don't have airports when that isn't the fucking point of an airline service.

>>77055407
I am not a sister, because I am not a woman. but yes eating 2000 calories of carbs is going to do different things to your body composition than eating 2000 calories of protein. nobody is doing either of those things by themselves though so I'm not sure what point this shitskin was trying to make.

>>77055411
Brainlet

>>77055407
This is what happens when you eat like a ketolard/carnitard. Your brain stops functioning.
Similar to veganism, ironically.
The lesson here is that extreme diets are fucking retarded.

Cico is about losing and maintaining weight. Nutrients are different and in relation to the balance of which foods you are eating. Cico is just a tool to measure if you're overeating.

>>77055407
Well, regardless of how 'braindead' I am, I'm not arguing against my imaginary friends on twitter, so...

>>77055419
Strawman arguments are the basis of internet trolling and have been since the 2000's

>>77055407
what a normal comparison everyone experiences. I must consume 2000 calories of cheese and butter OR 2000 calories of only steak!

We've all been there before kek and lmao. Just eat a fucking normal diet of meat, veg, and carbs.

>>77055421
Not my fault you can't comprehend something this simple.

homemade macaroni probably has okay macros, germans load it with onions

Retards trying to over-complicate basic biology.
>I'm gaining weight!
Eat less
>I'm losing weight!
Eat more

Everybody has very similar hormones unless they have an endocrine problem.

>>77055511
grifters try and overcomplicate simple shit constantly. DYELs will do anything but the most basic shit and cry when they don't see instant results like the grifters promised. Scuttling from one scam to the next to avoid any effort.

>>77055407
Ok so how long until I can get a 6pack starting from 20% bodyfat and I have a little bit of muscle.

>>77055407
That isn't even 2000 calories of steak

>>77055511
>body fat and muscle mass don't matter
CICO is literally half the equation, but the other half is macros, with a somewhat small contribution from timing your meals.

>eat less
Lose muscle
>eat more
Gain fat, visceral depending on what you're eating more

>>77055433
>what a normal comparison everyone experiences. I must consume 2000 calories of cheese and butter OR 2000 calories of only steak!
but what if I consume five trillion calories of plutonium? cicotards BTFO

>>77055537
didn't read the part where I said just eat a normal varied diet.

>>77055537
>eat billions of calories worth of plutonium
>can't use 1 single calory because doesn't have the ability to process it
Plutonium-intolerant dysgenics BTFO

>>77055545
>he's not a super mutant
ngmi

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>>77055525
macaco monkey begone

>>77055552
>loses every single argument to a macaco
Your father would cry in the shower if you had one

>>77055562
You're dyel and don't know anything.
If you were actually knowledgeable, you wouldn't be DYEL

>>77055572
Counting scares the retards
>many such cases

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>>77055562
Nothing you say or do will change that you are in fact, a monkey
>sopa de macaco huehuehue

Try zoomer-maxxing like your young fellow favelabro here

>>77055572
CICO is peak midwit because it can be objectively debunked in countless ways.

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>>77055419
Can confirm. I cut protein to 0.8 g/kg and stayed skinnyfat at BMI 15.3. I lost all of my muscle and none of my fat.

Staying under 1g/kg at that weight requires a conscious effort, and even then residual protein adds up.

>>77055407
I feel like gymbros are much more likely to recognize the distinction and understand macros. Even if you were to only poll people who understand CICO to begin with

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>>77055417
this
>if I leave out this core detail of the advice and go full retard, then it's no longer true!
okay, stay fat then

>>77055515
>grifters try and overcomplicate simple shit constantly
because people don't want to hear simple solutions. because if a solution is simple and yet the problem persist, that means it is 100% their own fault.
note, simple and easy are not necessarily always the same thing.

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>>77055599
>Yeah, by going out of your way to find extremely fringe theoretical diets that no one eats.
The problem is that most modern fat people's standard diets are extremely different than the way they should be eating.

Explain how military rations work if CICO doesn’t

>>77055407
>hormones dictate
>says absolutely nothing regarding it just 2k protein not the same as 2k carb lul

The biochemistry involved in breaking down proteins for ATP versus carbs/sugars is well understood, it's also a bit seperate from kcals, but ultimately pretty similar in results, which is why the calorie system is still used as analogous for our energy storage/expenditure. Proteins are the hardest to breakdown and provide the least ATP, sugars aren't the densest in ATP but usually easiest to break down, and fat are the most energy dense, though the body has to spend a bit of energy breaking it down

>>77055629
even when I ate nothing but microwavable slop during my studies I didn't gain any weight.
it was a shit diet and definitely not good for my health, but when your only concern is weight, it doesn't really matter what you eat as long as you do not overconsume.

>>77055407
My freakishly high T means that all my protein goes directly into op's cheeks.

>>77055634
Now the body has other uses for all these macronutrients apart from ATP production, sure and depending on what your body is prioritizing it can alter this a bit, sure. I guess this is where hormones are involved where they can influence the priorities, but at the end this is kind of minor, ATP production is basic biology and some goofy hormones aren't gonna turn you into an alien, meaning the combustion chemistry of calories is still a very good analogy in measuring your energy storage/expenditure.

>>77055417
X2

They're conflating calories and nutrition. Like yeah both of those dudes work here but you're talking to the wrong guy my nigga

You can’t gain mass if you poop pee sweat and breathe out more mass than you take in. Calories are an approximation of energy your body can extract from a given mass of a type of macronutrient via the processes involved in breaking it down into useful form. In other words, mass in - mass out = change in mass = weight gained lost or maintained

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>>77055417
Oops, forgot about what calories from sugar do to the liver.
>it starts pumping insulin
>which is then stored as adipose tissue if not used

>>77055411
This.

>>77055654
you didn't read past the first line. Absolute retard shit.

For muscle building, etc, everyone knows that 2000 calories of protein-rich food is completely different from 2000 calories of lays potato chips and soda.

CICO "deboonkers" erroneously talk about the latter without acknowledging that any talk about CICO is regarding the former.

>>77055417
You're just making an appeal to the absurd
A diet of cola and chips is not sustainable no matter if its for weightloss or musclebuilding
Pointless bickering

CICO works for anything if you're not eating a subhuman diet

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>>77055407
Yeah, but ironically a steak diet will make you fatter than pasta diet

Every day:
Eat your 1g protein/lb bodyweight (use lean body weight if over 25% BF)
Eat minimum 75g of fat
Adjust carbs intake to calories needed for your goal deficit/maintenance/surplus.
Simple as.

>>77055407
Cico works as far as you eat less you lose weight you gain more when you eat more but yeah it doesn't account for the fact that your body can go into starvation mode and lower your metabolic rate or if you overeat rise it and can do it at random and you wont even realize it.
It's indeed a stupid dogma and pseudoscience that assumes your body is a closed system who reacts to all calories the same, but the original idea is innocent
It should also be noted how most labels and food infographics only count calories and nutrients pre-cooking and without accounting for oils often. And eating vegetables messes with your hormonal profile due to the glyphosate and all the other pesticides and anti-nutrients

>>77055680
>Eat minimum 75g of fat
You mean maximum. And lower fat to a maximum of 50g.

>>77055707
He probably means animal fat which you should consume as much as possible of for optimal body functions.

>>77055407
I'm just posting this right here and then I'm going to leave the thread so I'm not going to see any replies. Anyone who actually take this bait at this point and gets into these arguments in these stupid CICO threads, you really need to reevaluate how much free time you have on your hands and how easily you can be manipulated.

>>77055680
You don't need anywhere near that much protein

>>77055722
Yeah, unless you do steroids 100g per day is gonna be enough for all athletic or bodybuilding activities

>>77055714
>animal fat which you should consume as much as possible of for optimal body functions.
nice joke.

>>77055407
>hormones dictate where the calories go
>still calories
he's not even making a point, he's deflecting

>>77055714
>eat 75+g of saturated animal fat every day
Heartattackmaxxing

>>77055760
No one ever died of "eating too many eggs" in fact it prolonges your life

>>77055415
Carbocuck pls go

>>77055417
hormones, metabolic- and other body functions dictate how well your body sheds fat and holds muscles
eating empty calories all day is not the same as eating healthy wholefood even though on paper it’s the same calorie amount
yes most hambeasts could loose a lot of weight just cutting the junk they eat in half
but if you are in a normal range and want to cut towards single bodyfat digit you better eat healthy if you don’t want to crash every function in your body and just end up skinny fat
and you better sleep well because bad sleep fucks with your ability to lose weight a lot
same as starving ourself vs burning the extra calories with some cardio and weightlifting to aid your body
If you just want to gain muscle and weight you basically just reach your protein minimum and fill up the rest with empty calories and you will end up not much different as going more protein to carb ratio and you will have better workout progression so probably better faibs with more carbs

>>77055421
Certainly you don't believe that what he said is false right?

>CICO
>gymbro
lol
it's always women, trannies and other clueless retards

>>77055601
why did you bring your protein so low? 0.7g/lb is the general recommendation, not 0.7g/kg.

>>77055766
the meatard doesnt comprehend the primal power of carboloading

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>>77055703
>starvation mode
>no punctuation
Weeewooweewooo retard alert retard alert!!!

DING DING DING

We go a REEETARD over here!

>>77055831
Gymcels religiously believe in garbage like that because roidtranny jay cuckler or troonie colewopan said it or whatever. Same for muh carb loading (sugar addiction)

>muh pasta
>stick of butter
>stick of cheese
also i have no idea what the argument is

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>>77055832
Sustained acute kidney injury after a heart surgery in childhood and I'm practically guaranteed to develop renal disease later if my heart doesn't crap out first

>>77055585
The flies flying at then end makes this macaco tier.

>>77055407
>eat only one type of food
>end up craving for lacking nutrients
>you eat much more

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>>77055591
Lemme guess

WhY NoT JuSt eAt a MiCroGram of UrAnIuM?

Haha checkmate cicofags

>>77055762
Get on my level

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1191862/

>>77055992
yes balanced really is the way animal fat at the very least 60 grams, carbs at the very least 100 grams for cortisol, protein at the bare minimum 120 grams this is the minimum you need for a cut(im assuming you do since 80% of amerilards are overweight)even still you just scale that shit up for your needs

>>77055407
Just eat whatever your body craves.
Stay away from ultra processed garbage.

>>77056166
Lmao intuitive eating lardass detected.

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>>77056174
I am simply in tune with my body.
You are like a blind man trying to tell people how to see.

>>77055407
CICO and food composition are two different things. CICO affects the numerical amount of mass gained/lost. Food composition affects how the mass is gained/lost.

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stop trying to deboonk the law of thermodynamics and just put the fork down you goddamn fatties

>>77056254
They'll do anything but the basic shit.

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>>77056254
Foods use "bioactivity" to modulate your body composition and metabolism independent of calories. This is why diets don't strictly adhere to thermodynamics; some foods even literally make you hotter or colder.
>t. knower

>>77055585
is it possible to learn those dance moves?

>>77055407
The pasta gives you energy. The steak gives you a heart attack

>>77055511
This, you are not above the law of thermodynamics.
>BUT MY HECKIN THYROID
You're altering the rate of which you burn or use calories. This doesn't change anything. IT IS CLEARLY STATED. BURN MORE CALORIES THEN YOU USE AND YOU WILL LOSE WEIGHT.

>>77055407
Is it really that hard to not eat? Every time I binge eat I spank myself and get the self peg machine I made with my cuisinart to hi.

>>77055407
if you put those together it would be yummy lol i love food so much bros

While this is true it's a bit like arguing about a 2% interest rate savings account versus a 2.5% interest rate savings account when really what the person needs to do to save money is stop ordering uber eats 5 times a week

>>77055407
why can't i have some of each
steak and pasta
yummy

>>77056166
My body craves beer and cigarettes

>>77055407
>But even if it's the twinkie diet and you lose weight, you're going to feel bad all the time

Okay, then making sure you get enough protein, get some fiber, fruit, and generally making better choices is going to make you feel full and make the whole thing managable

I literally could put it together, use a TDEE calculator, and lost 35lbs when I was in high school. The second I was introduced to the sticky I used it effectively. How can you all be so fucking stupid?

Hormones do matter and food selection does matter. You are probably too fat for it matter though

I’m gonna post the stadium pasta if you cicocels don’t stop acting up

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>>77056699
my body craves the death of my foes

CICO
>eat less calories than maintenance and you will lose weight

retards
>but what if I eat a retarded diet of only X huh? you're telling me that isn't unhealthy? cicotards btfo lmaooooo

>>77055707
1g of fat per kg you skinny dyel, unless you want to turn into a woman, which you probably want. You'll never be a real woman.

>>77055411
That's not CICO though. It doesn't even use calories.

>>77055407
Why not js eat 1000 caloires of both? Real talk tho Why tf would anyone live in extremes like that?
You 4chan people are hiveminded retards

>>77055449
Not his fault you treat everything in isolation, like an autost or a retard would.

>>77057133
Every time

>>77055407
>people who eat carbs are skinnier and stronger
>people who eat meat are just fat

cuck your life into pieces you'll need a bigger fork

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>>77056882
What's with you and pasta? Your OP pic was even pasta. No wonder you're such a fat little meatball.

>>77055407
For fat loss? They are exactly the same. For building muscle? Of course they’re different, one has protein the other does not

>>77055654
>if not used
Intredasting. How to I ensure the food I consume is used instead of being stored as fat?

>>77055515
Carl Jungcels call this an excessive amount of intuition. Basically chronically overthinking shit without any reference to physical reality