Cancelled consult with hormone/trt clinic, going to do home bloods and enclo first and see what happens. Tolerated clomid well back when I did steroids so shouldn’t be much of a fuck and I have anastrazole and a grip of other shit in a shoebox somewhere here

From my research I’m dealing with secondary hypo from having to abruptly stop a cycle a couple of years ago, I’m not paying some Pakistani to touch my variable cock and balls and then just give me regular clomid. Should have my test kit Tuesday, will see where I am and then start with the enclo.

Steroids always aged me, I’m more interested in feeling good and looking youthful. Botox/reta/hgh have been great don’t want to fuck that up

>>77188335
>>Where do I start?
600mg

>>77188397
so fucking what that you stopped a cycle abruplty. doesnt mean shit

i fucking stoped one year BnC only with 5000 IU of HCG injected AT ONCE not even having all the metabolites out of system and i recovered just fucking fine. Bloodwork after 4 months.

my retarded GF fucking injected all of the HCG into my ass because she grabbed the wrong syringe. I had no other pct on hand. I was more worried that 5000 IU at once is gonna chemically castrate me then hopping off abruptly and having to recover without PCT:

whats your bloodwork before and after your cycle,? you retarded fuck

>>77188335
Dorian is a fraud?

thoughts on Test C from India? I just bought a fuckload

>>77188335
been running test/mast for a while, nothing crazy 300/300 a week. Thats my self prescribed TRT btw. decided to sprinkle in “just a little” tren just because, i did it before but i avoid it because its neurotoxic or some shit and i dont even like how tren gains look, so i just added 150mg a week, and i’m doing full body high rep almost every day. Not even chasing gains right now because i do that on deca. just a spring recomp before summer.

strength actually up though. effortless gains. mind-muscle connection insane. i can feel individual fibers when working out stoned, i have a gravity bong hidden in bushes behind gym and i always go work out stoned as fuck. im always stoned but i HAVE to hit my bong at least like 3 times before even thinking about a serious WORKOUT.

also not gonna lie, something shifted neurologically. installed grindr “ironically” . i know i always turn into a raging HOMO when i add even a little bit of tren. i’m hitting weights today and going to visit my femboy who lives 2km away from me. Always bareback btw. not saying it’s the tren but i did not have this side effect on test/mast alone. I have a girlfriend at home btw.

So my day is bowl in a parking lot
forget why i walked in
stare at myself in mirror doing lateral rises
check grindr
workout some more
go home

sleep is great. i never went over 300mg of tren tho. sometimes my bed is sweaty after sleep and smells like ammonia salts.(tren sweat) even on low doses.

>>77188440
rip, saar

Why do people say recovery is better on steroids?
When I was natty I would do the powerlifting programs and do multiple compounds a week, now I can barely squat once a week and even then I might get injured and feel sore a lot longer, probably because I do heavier weights idk

>>77188479
you answered it yourself
if you're pushing heavier weights you will be less sore than if you did it naturally

>>77188479
>Why do people say recovery is better on steroids?
nutrient partitioning

>>77188489
>>77188502
True I am cutting...

>>77188543
>cutting on a cycle

>>77188584
>even using roids

>>77188584
Not a cycle its a cut/cruise coming from blast/bulk.
I'm on 200 test 100 mast 2.5iu generic hgh and Reta.
I lowered all my training maxes by 10% from the bulk because obviously I can't handle the same weights on a cut, so my 1rm max was 250kg and my training max is 225kg now.
Once a week I'm just working up to 1 heavy set a week and 2 back off sets then machines after that and it still feels too much sometimes

>>77188050
Wanted to raise my T by going the legal way but they put me on HCG monotherapy because I still want to be fertile.
I'm thinking about getting a HCG script (again) for the next 3 months (I'm insured) and blasting 500mg T at the same time (obtained from contacts) for 15weeks.
I need to keep my E2 in check, I previously crashed it, now it has bounced through the roof.

>>77188479
idk. I do one body part per week now. I used to do ppl with 18+ sets per week but I just wasn't recovering enough on roids.

>>77188584
When you actually get big you're gonna have start taking more and more shit on your cut to maintain muscle mass.
My last cut I used 500mg test and 50mg anadrol. But that was also to keep my blood pressure up because ozempic crashes it.

>>77189003
lol whats your bulk dose then

>>77188436
You sound way more retarded than that other guy. You didn't notice her pulling the entire bottle out and let her select the needle? Sounds like a skill issue on your part. The max safe dosage is 3x what you injected anyways so the next time you give out shitty instructions you don't need to panic. You're just wasting it not fucking your shit up.

>>77188479
Have you tried HGH or MK677?

>>77189072
Right now I'm on 250 test/week and 20/day ment.
My last blast was 2 grams of test and that was shit compared to this.
Bought the ment a few years back on sale from the tranny but was always too scared to use it lol.
This shit is unbelievable.

>>77188439
>Dorian is a fraud?
500mg test + 15mg anavar hyperresponder

>>77189087
on paper, ment seems worse than tren in every possible way, how do you think it compares?

>>77188440
hopefully you got raws that they got from China they just flipped to you for double the money
if you got shit thats sitting in oil already mixed up then god have mercy on your soul

Is there any way that running a low dose of TRT won't age me if I am 40 and looking very very good for my age, in terms of skin?

>>77189777
nigga you are 40. Your life is over who gives a fuck

>>77189777
funny post nice digits
your skin will be negatively effected by any dose of trt but the heavier the dose the bigger the effect. you shouldn't worry about it at your age. start with 300 a week. welcome to the new normal.

>>77189781

I'm not depressed like you are, go find help.

>>77189783
I would much rather maintain my skin than make maintaining my physique easier. So maybe in 10 years when things start degrading.

>>77189792
post body

>>77189802
What, why?

>>77189777
Just take HGH on top of it, supplement collagen and have a skincare routine with retinol or tretinoin.
Avoid too much sun.

>>77189834
if he isn't some larping troll he is too big of a pussy to ever pin
he would have done it at latest in his 30's if ever
dude needs a magic reset button at this point

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I come here to laugh at you anons.

>>77189851
There's nothing courageous about pinning, this is why it's always the biggest retards in your gym do it.

>>77189834
I already use tazarotene last year, used tret in the past. Collagen I didn't feel like it was doing anything for me, maybe it would when running gear.
I'm not looking to build a stack and a habit so I don't want to do HGH (also, the cost), I was just considering some testosterone to make everything a bit easier.

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>>77189871
>also, the cost
holy shit you are poor as fuck too LOL
how are you this poor and dumb at 40? what went wrong?

>>77189888
I'm not rich, but I'm not poor, I have around 1m in property that's appreciating and I make 100-150k euro a year working a low stress job from home.
I don't know why you're so bitter when no one even talked to you, I'm pretty certain I lifemog you though so this is kind of hilarious.

>>77189903
>make 100-150k euro a year
>worried about cost of gear
your larp isn't even coherent anymore
come back when you get better at lying

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>>77189915
Here's a job offer I turned down.
I'm frugal and don't waste my money on recurring expenses, this is how I just bought a loft without taking a mortgage just through savings.

>>77189411
I took 300mg lmao tren once and it killed my appetite to the point I wasnt eating enough to grow and the trensomnia made me retarded.
With ment, my sleep is a little disturbed by that's typical for me for any high dose blast.
Other than some water retention I have no side effect symptoms.
I'm not even taking any AI, just 100mg proviron which more for tends to block high E2 symptoms the way materon does.
MENT for life from now on.

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>>77188335
how come modern bodybuilders dont look like that anymore?

>>77189925
Can you give us some tips on how to be frugal? I fucking love blowing money on dumb shit; im kind of a retard and it’s something I need to work on.

Any opinions on adding winstrol or epitalon to your stack?

>>77190188
I don't think you can get to this mindset through tips - I just reflexively feel bad about spending money on things that are fleeting and that won't help my family.

retarded question BUT clen before a rave? i would only do water and ketamine no alcohol or MDMA/coke

>>77190303
do tren and cialis instead

>>77190262
>winstrol
you like having a liver? yes = don't take
don't care but powersharter = take
>>77190303
yes, I like clean before parties because it offsets alcohol drinking slowness and more importantly it gives me a nice boost of energy which helps me interact with people
just watch out for getting hot, you will sweat

>>77190303
Probably not the best idea t b h.

>>77190574
>winstrol
>super liver toxic
Holy fucking newfag, it's extremely mild on the liver like Var.

>>77188335
i made a thread asking about jumping on gear now in my mid 30s, im 32 going to be 33, im still proud of my body, but the gym feels like maintenance now, i want to achieve what bodybuilders get,

>>77192176
Lean down very low 10-15%, start Test base first to check E2 then look into AI's or EQ stack then move onto HGH if you want to be huge, other compounds in the future to stay lean and build lean muscle versus just getting BIG.

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>>77192176
Gear is literally just natty 2.0. You just actually look like what you actually envisioned what lifting would be; but lmao if you're burnt out now, you'll burn out running gear cus it's the fucking same grind all over again.

>>77192207
The only guys who are big running gh are blasting 14iu+ with insulin and a 3 gram stack minimum. 2iu like you see everybody suggest won't do shit for size.

>>77189777
its going to age you a little bit bro but its going to be worth it. As everyone said, you are fucking 40 anyway you are never going to look like a twink again. But a jacked 40 year old is going to be more attracive than a skinnyfat 40 year old even if the jacked one has slightly worse skin.

>>77192176
hey I am going to help you
start by elevating your testosterone
if you have the money go to an actual trt clinic and they will introduce you to the whole thing in a professional setting
alternatively you can buy your own pins and find a source for the testosterone but I can't in good faith suggest that to a beginner. only do this if you cannot afford an actual trt clinic for you first few months.
once your testosterone is elevated you might find that is good enough and you are now where you wanted to be.
if not, come back later and start asking about other gear.
also if you don't go to a legit trt clinic off the bat then you better at least get your labs done every 3 months. I go to marekdiagnostics to order my labs because they are cheap and use Quest Labs which are near me but use whoever you'd like.
good luck god speed don't fucking hurt yourself.

>>77192214
im convinced its bad for your looks. Everyone talks about ">increased collagin synthesis" as if the very steroids that age you don't also increase collagen synthesis.

I think the water retention of GH just straight up makes you uglier and then I also think it literally grows your skin and gives you more wrinkles via that shit as well as grows your head and makes you look older that way. And grows your nose to make you look ugly.

What are the odds the 100mg primo I found online for $100 is legit

Has a janoshik report

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>>77192207
i will work on that, thabk you
>>77192210
im not really burnt out, its just feel like im maintaining my regular physique, just doing the same thing with heavier weights if i can, but not getting bigger just stronger.
>>77192223
money isnt a problem, im in a good position, ill look into trt clinics.
but my main question is. is it better to be on gear after 30? or will it be more damaging? i never had any health issues, im in tip top shape, everything is working and ive been extremely healthy all my life.

>>77192274
yes it is better to be on gear but specifically testosterone in your 30's rather than 20's. It's also better to lift naturally for 2 years MINIMUM (preferably 5+) before touching gear but sounds like you have that covered.

>>77192274
Leaning down is essential, if you are too fat your body won’t utilize your Test well enough and will aromatase into Estrogen MORE and give extra side effects with less gains.

>>77192233
can you trust the seller?
in any case that seems too cheap

>>77192315
no its not. you just take an AI. Getting down to 10% bodyfat without steroids is fucking retarded.

>>77192218
I would be okay with a little bit of aging, but it's very rare to see someone on test that looks good to me, especially older guys, they have old man skin. I'm not looking to get much bigger at all, I never wanted this in my life, just the rest of the benefits (easier to maintain my current body ideally with more leanness, better mood and drive etc).

>>77192328
well all of the supposed benefits like "more drive and better mood" are only for faggots who had severely malfunctioning balls. If you start out somewhat normal you are not getting these phsychological benefits from some regular old TRT.

>>77192233
make sure its enanthate not acetate
k4l has is for 150 and they are legit but require 300 minimum order
hopefully you found it from that one source website we all use
>>77192315
leaning down helps significantly reduce aromitization and lower the risk of other negative sides but is not mandatory unless you are 30%+ bf
you are going to want to have some sort of AI on hand to take as needed regardless of body fat percentage
telling people they absolutely need to be under 15% bf is flat out wrong and comes off as gatekeeping

>>77192334
Last check was at age 36 where I was 7.36 ng/mL sleeping 4 hours a night and eating chips with beer almost daily. I don't think I have low test problems yet.

fat people shouldnt take roids

>>77192403
Easy way to get rid of fat ppl tho

>>77192405
they should take Reta or literally any other weight loss cheat

>>77189240
>500mg test
Lol no. He's afraid of needles. Daily clomid did the job.

>>77192313
im going to look at a trt clinic, ive been lifting since i was 14, always was offered it, but too afraid of baldness, im 32 with a full head of hair, i dont care anymore.
>>77192315
im not fat, but im going to slim down even more,

>>77192403
>>77192405
Why not? Powerlifters and strongmen do it all the time

Who the fuck watches Mike Isratel?

This guy is so unwatchable and has half assed his entire fitness “career” and he’s a fat fuck

>>77192515
half the people with followings are retarded and deserve to be made fun of

>>77192515
It's his presentation. It's perfect for normies with a passing curiosity in fitness. He calls himself a doctor, he's got a pretty straightforward presentation, and he has the self-deprecating humor most losers appreciate. That gets him in the door but then he drops bombs like "aspartame isn't bad for you" that makes the layman's head explode.

>>77192515
>Isratel
>Israel
hmmmm

Ok I started tren. When do I ascend?

>>77192582
RIGHT NOW BROTHER

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Total t was above average but free t and dht were at low end of normal range. PCP wouldn't give me test so I started buying UGL shit and taking 120 a week. Feel and look good. Doc doesn't want me buying sketchy illegal shit so he referred me to a endocrinologist and mentioned clomid. How to convince endo to give me injectable test?

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What athletes who aren't constantly linked to steroids like Barry Bonds do you guys think are/were frauding?

For me:


CR7 Ronaldo
Messi (admittedly had growth hormone treatment as a kid)
Lebron (fat business manager caught buying gear)
Ohtani
Mo Salah
Gareth Bale
Mike Tyson
Peyton Manning (caught buying HGH)
Karl Malone
Bo Jackson
Zlatan Ibrahimović
Adama Traoré

>>77192626
Enclo is dogshit compared to injectable test. If your doctor cant give you basic test c, then keep using ugl

>>77192637
Literally all of them. Drug testing especially for American sports is a joke.

>>77192639
I want a legal script so I can travel. Guess I'll do 1 month of Jay Cutler's TRT clinic for $100.

>>77192637
Barry Bonds never failed a drug test he's natty

>>77192637
65% of NFL players

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>>77192637
I don’t even need to see before pics to be skeptical about physiques like Ronaldo or Salah. In soccer, especially for wingers/forwards, speed and endurance are everything, and historically those positions don’t carry that much muscle mass. Putting on a lot of size usually comes at the expense of speed and agility unless you're on test and hgh.

>>77192626
Just tell him you don’t want eye floaters. Enclo will fuck your vision

>>77192637
Idk about Ronaldo. That snake oil salesmen Greg doucette is pretty good about identifying fake naturals and he already did a video and said he’s natural

>>77192713
GreggyDuce claims he was natty up until the end of his career, so he always gives guys a pass unless they're bigger than he was on like 2+ grams of shit.

>>77192713
He wasn't a freak athlete early in his career, just incredibly skilled. Then the last year or two with Man U and at Madrid he became incredibly fast and strong with insanely powerful shots (his weak foot was stronger than 80% of players strong foot) and an NBA tier vertical leap

>>77192637
>Mike Tyson
LOL definitely NOT natty (all 90s boxers were on gear).

All the footballers / soccer players are natty, the drug testing has been very thorough since the 2000s. They probably take research chems and stuff, but nothing currently on the banned list.

>>77188800
i've heard keeping a ratio works too. if you had 300tt and 30e2, thats 10:1. keeping that if you're 1800tt 180e2 might be okay. my e2 was pretty damn high at 5k tt, but i never had any sides. couldnt get it down worth shit anyway. 25mg exe and it was still out of control. got any sides with the high e2, or you all good?

If any of you anons need a reason to not trust doctors, look no further than some of the ones talking about peptides on youtube. They're almost all fucking clueless and spew redditfacts (tm) and tiktok dosages. Some of them even contradict themselves and make obvious errors in their videos like suggesting you should get combo vials but then tell you to dose the compounds at different amounts when they're only ever combo'd at 1:1.

Just because someone is a doctor doesn't make them smart nor a reliable medical authority.

>>77192762
Pretty sure they let their favorites take shit. Pessi, Penaldo, and Salah because he's the best Muslim player of all time and there are like a billion Muslims who love football. Same reason I think the NBA let Lebron take gear.


>>77192762
Evander def was

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RIP to a real one. I don't like JRE but his episode with Conte is really good. Victor talks about how the testing agencies/people who run sports leagues don't want to catch people.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/1b1hF0Se2Duvyas1HMbhTQ

https://x.com/FearedBuck/status/2041240420840026567

CBS interviewed an 18-year-old using steroids to looksmax revealing he’s been on tren for 10 months after seeing influencers use it

They also interviewed his parents, who say they are very concerned

“If I have a heart attack at 30, I have a heart attack”

Day 2 of tren ace. Taking 100mg/day to front load. So far I am definitely hornier. Caught myself scoping out moms when I dropped my kids off at school. I usually only have this problem when I'm blasting. Haven't noticed noticed anything gym/physique-wise.

>>77193312
First day in the playground go right up to the biggest mom you can find and rape her

>>77193311
Love tren but i can't imagine cruising it. You feel your heart straining with it and usually by 10 weeks im glad to stop

>>77193341
Does cardio help?

>>77192637
They all are. Remember Lance Armstrong being on gear despite being skinny or Serena Williams hiding in her panic room when testers came. It gives massive exercise benefits regardless if you eat and train in a way to put on size.

>>77193343
Yeah cardio helps reduce the blood pressure and improves your fat ratios. But even then running 3x a week and taking telmisartan I would always be 135/60 BP. People just think they'll somehow avoid the negative effects, but they'll learn they are in fact a text book human like anyone is.

Personally if i do tren again I plan to add a beta blocker and a statin.

>>77193350
Yeah I can keep my blood pressure pretty low when blasting but I run like 5 miles per day. I guess I will find out soon if this works for tren.

>>77193311
> using tren for 10 months for that
The reason you should wait until you have years of experience is so you can get your lifting and diet right first. Guarantee he's eating like shit and partying twice a week explaining his poor gains. Makes tren even more dangerous as he'll be chucking cholesterol on top. He's probably also doing zero cardio or antihypertensives.

>>77193361
*Guarantee he's also running something retarded like 500mg

>>77193355
Enjoy, you may also want cabergoline to hand as the prolactin rise can sometimes nuke any sexual desire. I would advise not going above 300mg a week, will be tempting but the insomnia and heart rate/hypertension make it not worth doing. Tren is great but you need to be vaguely sensible.

>>77193372
not that anon but you're not my real mom! you can't tell me what to do! (been cruising 160test 300 tren, and bumped to 600 tren last week)

>>77193386
Enjoy lad. You might be able to hack it with the low test and if so it'll probably be great. I tried 400mg and found the shit sleep and general body stress outweighed any benefit.

>>77192639
Clomid is different than Enclomiphene. Please never post again

>>77193401
I replied to that post before i passed out, Enclo and clomid are dogshit. Feel better faggot?

>>77193343
>I smoke crack
>teeth are destroyed
>Does brushing my teeth help?

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>>77193406
>meanwhile some madman ran tren for 6 years straight and immaculate blood work coming off of it
I think genetics isn't just muscle bellies but tolerance of being able to run gear for very long periods of time.

>>77188335
>>77188439
>>77189240
>>77192480
Dorian is a real one and aware.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqc1Z9gjk5s

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>>77193422
why do natties watch this shit?

>>77193390
thanks! been alright so far! i did a gram of tren last year. almost got divorced. hopefully 600 doesnt get me as pissy haha! taking a statin and bp med this time as well. i dont look like a tomato, so off to a better start. first week i was doing 5 sets of 20, and FELT it. hit a bench pr yesterday too! pretty stoked so far. wife already is annoyed with me though -- for being handsy, not pissy. can see some recomp, which... i think i need to eat more. will get bloods in a month'ish. lipids had been tracking well before on the tren cruise. e2 was high, but i hadn't been taking an ai. back on asin now. no sweats or anything, but maybe a touch of insomnia. just been waking up 30-60 minutes before my alarm. i can fall asleep in a heartbeat still. tren's amazing as always

>>77193403
Yes. Thanks anon <3

>>77193345
>Lance Armstrong being on gear


He was blood doping not the same

>>77193477
He was literally found passed out with a needle with 800mg of tren no ester in his arm and /gif/ open on his phone

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>>77193480
With 10 webms of pawg twerking in the background, dude went out like a legend

>>77193536
Is this girl real or ai ? I can't even tell anymore.

Redpill me on ment, seems superior to Test in every way.

Am finishing a 200mg test prop/375mg EQ/200mg tren Ace/week 6 week cutting cycle, was going to transition into a 500mg test, 600mg EQ, 250mg NPP bulking cycle but am (bi)curious about ment. Could I replace test with it? Lower my planned doses and add it in? Maybe run test/ment instead? Though I like NPP for joints and EQ for vascularity and pump.

400mg Test
200mg EQ
maybe 25mg Dbol once a week
the EQ should be fine to run no Adex/asin on right?

Is tren even worth it?

It seems you lose everything after you stop. I’ve been considering micro dosing it and not running a shit ton

>>77193660
I'll tell you in 2-3 months

>>77193660
it is amazing CNS properties as well as mental if you find the goldilocks zone for you (200mg weekly usually)

>>77193660
Well thats the same with any shit

>>77193568
Ment was designed as male birth control (it didn’t work lol, only 60-75% effective). It aromatizes to a different form of estradiol that’s MUCH more potent than normal estradiol. Your BP will shoot up, but it’s not as deleterious on mental state. Less is more with it.

Even low doses of masteron overstimulate the shit out of me where after 3-4 weeks I start having low grade anxiety all the time. The focus is fucking crazy but the anxiety is killing me. Mast at 1/3 the dose of test. Anyone had similar experiences?

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Blast and cruise newbie here. Only plan on doing 2 weakish cycles (350 test and 40var) a year for the next few years before cruising/trting for life when I'm done blasting. Bloodwork on 120mg a few months ago was good (1001 total test) but I was looking and feeling flat after having. On minox and fin + 2% ketoconazole shampoo and derma gave me creams for body acne which has helped a lot. Main concern is hair loss and acne as well as high e2 sex dysfunction but I also want to live to be an old man and not have that gross aged roid look. ok to cruise at 150-200 long term?

>>77193477
also I am pretty sure he should have been allowed to use some test because he had testicular cancer and had one of his nuts removed. Kind of bullshit to not let him just keep his normal test level after that

>>77193865
Why not do the same for guys with naturally low test? Maybe everyone should take drugs until they have the exact same hormone panel results.

>>77193846
Same. Even 140mg/wk gives me massive insomnia. Worse than tren in that regard even at a lower dose. I can run tren at ~150mg/wk and have no sleep issues. Even 300/wk isn't as bad for insomnia as 140/wk mast. It feels kinda good but in a caffeine jittery kind of way. Definitely very very stimulating.

>>77193438
Jew or shabbos goy

>>77193864
cruise at 350 test

>>77193870
Do you feel like we are just not made for DHTs? I have the same issue on proviron where I get crazy stimulated on the stuff to the point my muscles are even tight all the time like my neck.

The thing is, I don't respond well to the conventional anabolic substances all that much either. Like deca or adrol or even dbol don't bloat me up or give me strength. Like literally no bloat. I don't respond at all.

Perhaps I should try out EQ, quality mass without being stimulating or relying on water weight (which I think is very anabolic).

What are your most productive cycles? I really enjoyed tren at 280mg/week but it gave me the worst ache in my stomach after like 8 weeks so I had to stop while using omeprazol (to reduce acidity).

>>77193867
your test level is supposed to be part of your genetics. But when you had to get a nut cut out it seems reasonable to allow them to supplement back up to their previous level rather than have to quit the sport

>>77193781
Have you ran it? How does day 150ish-250mg of ment compare to 500-750mg of test for mass and strength building phase, I really like heavy compound lifts on a bulk.

>>77193864
How old are you? What's the fertility/kids situation? It sounds like your sensitive to testosterone androgenic sides, so long term acne, hair loss and prostate issues might come up..besides Nizoral shampoo you dont want to be messing with Fina and Accutane long term to mitigate these. Long term effect on your heart is unknown, even if you control lipids you generally see a thickening of the left ventricle.

>>77193884
35. No hair loss thus far and I didn't have much body acne blasting 350. Don't really care about having kids.

>>77193846
I feel like some of this is just a phase and it goes away if you keep taking it.

I remember feeling over stimulated on like 200 test TRT. And then a year later I did a 500 test cycle and did not feel that over stimulation and inability to sleep

>>77193886
Then really the only issues to look into imo would be heart health and prostate issues long term. Low does of T with no other drugs is more likely to make you stay youthful looking as you age rather than accelerate aging, especially compared to most other guys your age who look like shit.

>>77193884
Only take Fin during blast?

>>77193846
I can take shitloads of mast and it does absolutely nothing for me mentally or physically. Plain testosterone does what you're describing to me if I'm blasting 500+. But I take trazodone for preexisting insomnia so I end up falling asleep even though I'm wired.

Im still prescribed Metoprolol tartrate 50mg twice a day and lisinopril once a day even though I no longer have high blood pressure cause I’m no longer a fat ass.

Probably why I don’t get anxiety or high blood pressure blasting test

>>77193895
If you have major hairloss issues, if not I wouldn't take it as a preventative prophylactic. Nizoral shampoo is fine whenever

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>>77192227
I agree, the one time I took it; it was the first time in my life I had water in my fingers. It bloated me right the fuck up on a measly 2iu and skyrocketed my blood pressure to a point I almost went to the ER. Everybody I know has that "fat head" look, it has to be the water retention.
>>77192233
I have like 30 bottles of primo I regret massively acquiring, Mast is so much better.
>>77193870
That is bizarre, only bad side effect of mast is how insanely horny it makes you.

>>77193895
I take topical fin and minoxidil every day and use a derma roller twice a week.

It didn’t help much. Still had some receding. Probably slowed it down, with no regrowth after a few months though

>>77193880
>Do you feel like we are just not made for DHTs?
I came to this conclusion about myself a few cycles ago. Dht derivatives and even high test just don't really feel great. I've also been on finasteride (and recently switched to dut) with literally zero issues even with nuked dht. Dht derivatives and to a lesser extent high test just makes me breakout like crazy, sweat constantly, and gives me insomnia. I guess as a tradeoff I respond really, like ridiculously well to deca. I am better in every way when I'm on deca. Tren I respond to very well mentally, but physically it breaks me out if I'm not on accutane and like you said gives me heartburn.

Coincidentally I also don't gain water weight on deca or anadrol nor have I noticed crazy rapid strength gains. Just normal, enhanced consistent strength gain. Tren is the only compound that gives me a significant almost immediate strength boost. EQ is good, but it makes estrogen management a pain. It lasts so long in your body and dialing e2 in on the slopes is annoying.

My most productive cycle was 100/300 test/deca. Not a lot of gear at all but I ran it for a long ass time though. Bloods were great, I felt amazing on this, it was easy to justify just staying on for a long ass time that I don't even remember. My training was also the best it ever was, I wasn't injured at any point, my diet was solid. I lost a good amount of progress due to a non-gym related injury so I'm on something similar rn. 50/420 test/deca. My first run with 100-200 (tapering up) tren honestly mogged some of the ~1.5 gram test/eq cycles I've done too. Probably my 2nd best cycle

>>77193880
Fourth day on 25mg Proviron, feeling absolutely nothing different. How much you take

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~~~STOP AND ANSWER THE QUESTION BELOW IN A NO AGGRESSIVE WAY~~~
Will nandrolone (either Deca or NPP) help my tendons? Tennis elbow is pretty annoying

>>77193993
Stop being a gear head and go to a doctor and get physical therapy or pain meds

Source: Predisone did fuck all for my joints

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>>77193993
It will help, but won't fix it. TB and BPC mix is a better option. 2 weeks ago I started up one of my bros on that mix and his right elbow is fixed up and his left is catching up.

>>77193987
I used to take 25mg a day each morning with a fatty meal to boost absorption. Usually a ton of eggs including the yolk. Starts working around 1 week in, but sides around week 2.5/3. For some reason even makes my nips itchy, probably free e2 or overstimulation of my CNS causing prolactin to rise. Focus is very clean, so clean your not even aware of it but definitely there. As for horniness very managable actually, and strength quite decent. The problem is the back of neck ache and the constant anxiety but this is less than mast as well. For some reason this stuff just feels bad after a couple weeks and I really want to go off.

You seem to respond well to deca, I stupidly did a deca only cycle and got the worst acne of my life and very little gains. Do you think it was because of the low e2 then? I also had a fantastic response to tren, first time in my life I knew what back pumps and calf pumps were. The back pumps were so bad that I could barely squat. I responded very well. If I can get that with deca I would love that shit, as deca gave me 0 itchy nipps just acne.

But honestly I think I'm just going to drop down to TRT forever as 19-nors are just toxic to fertility.

And why do you think your eq cycle was so lackluster, you dropped e2 too low or eq is really just too weak? Would you ever be willing to try again with more test and less eq? Louie Simmons from Westside Barbell loved the stuff apparently.

>>77193998
>You seem to respond well to deca, I stupidly did a deca only cycle and got the worst acne of my life and very little gains
what retardation brought you to do that? Golden era lies?

>>77194004
Exactly that, from reading on forums like getbig too much. I thought that if I dosed it high enough the e2 issue would be offset on it's own. Even though I had no mental sides I had almost no gains and the crazies acne with 0 breast issues which I'm very sensitive too.

Use me as a case study. I did some stupid shit but I'm too tired to hate myself anymore. At least the lifting was fun.

>>77194004
Now that I think back about it, testosterone was even used in the silver era so why the hell should golden era bodybuilders do deca only cycles when they had primo and parabolan? Damn I feel stupid.

Is HGH bullshit? Like other then young bloods injecting themselves with china oil, the old guys say it’s overrated and not worth the price

I don’t trust a lot of the old builders. They’ll look you straight in the face and say shit like “I only took 200mg of test a week” like why are you lying?

The old WWE people were on crazier stacks then today

>>77193998
>You seem to respond well to deca, I stupidly did a deca only cycle and got the worst acne of my life and very little gains. Do you think it was because of the low e2 then?
I think everyone just responds to shit differently. At the end of the day deca's properties should lend it to being significantly less androgenic and more anabolic than test, and seems to be the case for me - but may not function the same in someone else. Deca still aromatizes, if you run enough you should have enough e2 to function. I run pretty low test with it but haven't tried deca only. Gotta keep in mind too deca has like no binding affinity for shbg and 5AR, if you're running nothing else that means those are binding other hormones at an enhanced rate too and can cause an unpredictable cascade.

For my test/eq cycles it's not like I didn't make progress, I just was using way too much gear for level of progress. I looked natty running a gram and a half of gear. I don't believe I was getting significantly more gains running a gram and a half than I would've running a third of that at that point. My training was also not the best. I was very much so relying on the gear rather than using it to enhance. Missed days, skipped exercises because I didn't feel like it, etc.

>>77193993
I think peptides are the better option for that problem these days.

Ok so I'm done front loading my tren and I don't feel like a sex god bipolar psycho yet. Should I give it more time or should I up the dose?

>>77194060
dose/week/esther?

>>77194078
250mg ace

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>>77193996
>>77193997
>>77194043
Thanks.
Yeah, the problem is I really hate clinics and all that bs. It's quite overpriced in my country as well.
About the bpc/tb: I pin everyday 500mcg of each (500mcg tb500+ 500mcg BPC157) in each elbow... ~5 weeks doing that, it helps but it's coming back worse after my Upper days

>>77194013
It's not bs but it's a long term ride (thus a bit monotonous)

>>77194092
And BPC157 and tb500 are kore expensive than a vial of Nandrolone...

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>>77193997
>>77194043
>>77194092
>>77194098
Get on my level, plebs

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300mg test and 150mg recomp have done me wonders for about 6 months now, but I'm finding it hard to keep my BP under 135/69. Needs to come down a bit. My lipid panel recently was the best of my life ironically though, with everything well within range.

In the past, when I dropped to a cruise after blasting 500mg test, my BP dropped pretty significantly, but my lipids were also dogshit.

Anyone find their BP drastically lowered after lowering the test or primo dose? I plan to probably go to 200mg test and maybe 100mg primo at the most, if not drop the primo altogether to see how it affects me.

>>77194088
how long you front load it for so far? usually at 3 weeks of 200mg is when i noticed the god like effects

>>77194163
I front loaded for like 3 days but it's only been like 8 days total. Trying it out mid cut

>>77194161
just take an ARG when on cycle like everyone else. I personally dont enjoy LVH.

>>77194161
Are you on BP meds?

Just jump on BP meds.

This whole ARG, and pure beet juice is fucking stupid. When I was stage 2 hypertension and my BP was 150/110 everyone tried to give me fucking herbs and shit. It doesn’t work. Don’t play with your BP.

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>>77194092
Have you already done 5 weeks? If you have might be fucked, and have to give deca a try. Tho as I said my bro tried 16 weeks of deca and didn't help all that much.
>>77194161
>135/69
That's really bad BP on just Test and Primo. I've ran tren, superdrol and mast and had lower overall BP than that. You might wanna get a script from a doctor for some BP meds. I wouldn't drop the primo because you'll lose the dry look.

Worst case scenario you can just grab a bottle of BP meds of someone you know, they fill orders like crazy. My buddy has like a years worth just laying around, they give a new bottle every month.

>>77194172
Yeah give it another week by 7 days from now you should feel like making a Grindr for traps.

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>>77194214
>muh tren gay meme
how ya doing natty faggot?

>>77194201
Viagra+Cialis+Beet Root Powder+L Citrulline is gnarly for pumps, and did a dent in my blood pressure but you are correct. BP meds are way better.

Bros I think it's fucking over for me unless half of my winstrol is real and the other is dbol
Was running low dose test + tren with no issues, then added winny a couple of weeks ago at 30 mg/day
Got all the expected effects, vascularity, dick skin, eventually achy joints
However, I started getting terrible water retention over the past week, yesterday I noticed I had slight pitting edema below my knees and terrible shin pumps when walking
Very little bloating anywhere other than my legs, but I don't have any shortness of breath or other heart failure symptoms
No foamy or dark urine so probably not kidney related
Don't know why this started happening all of a sudden, but I also started getting slightly puffy nips so I don't know if it's just excessive aromatization due to decreased SHBG from the winny
Was already running 40 mg telmisartan but I added 12.5 mg hydrochlorothiazide, hopefully it helps, had me pissing all day long and edema seems to have gone down

>>77194236
Or, you could take some AI and calm down. Just because you're running a low test dose doesn't guarantee a stable in range e2.

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>>77194216
wrong, sorry I love trannies on Tren, sue me!

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>>77194258
K

>>77194178
>ARG
Thanks for this. Seems like 6G a day of L-Citrulline is the move?

>>77194196
Nah just Cialis 10mg EOD

>>77194208
I've always kinda had high BP for some reason, but I've also been running this for half a year now. I inhale sodium practically for the pumps and water retention, plus caffeine, and focalin (adderal) lol so thats probably not helping. What BP meds? Telmisartan?

>>77194325
I use an ACE inhibitor 20mg lisinopril and a beta blocker metoprolol tartrate 50mg twice a day. Prescribed by my doc

>>77194208
>Have you already done 5 weeks? If you have might be fucked, and have to give deca a try. Tho as I said my bro tried 16 weeks of deca and didn't help all that much.
Yes, almost 5 weeks using the "Wolverine Stack" or whatever they call it. It helped like 50-60%, I just don't want to stop everything, go physio etc

If I have an endocrine panel coming up should I do a cycle of test beforehand so that on test day my natural levels will be tanked so I can get test prescribed and covered by insurance or will they be able to tell I've messed with the panel and deny it?

>>77194635
You're retarded and that's not how it works. Just get drunk, get shitty sleep, and eat like shit the day prior

>>77194808
this. i can get mine down to 300's even while cruising on 160mg. booze also boosts e2, so you can get them to prescribe you adex

>>77194635
They’ll make you retest to verify.

They might even draw other panels to check your organs and see your lipids and cholesterol are fucked.


Just buy it. It’s like $50 for test enanthate. Stay away from TRT clinics

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>>77194325
I use propranolol in the mornings and afternoon. Helps with the tren edge too lol. Ask your doctor for something, don't mention any specific drug or they might find it suspicious.

If not, get a friend. BP meds are everywhere for dirt cheap.
>>77194505
I'm not sure a Physio is gonna straighten you out. Deca is a temporary fix, it'll be right back as soon as it clears your system. I'd try upping the dosage of the mix to 1mg per elbow for another couple weeks. Consider taking a week or two off as well.
>>77194635
>>77194808
>Just get drunk, get shitty sleep, and eat like shit the day prior
Alot of doctors (at least VA ones) are catching on to this and have lowering the lower range to like to a 200 total. So you gotta get absolutely crashed levels just to get prescribed; and the test they give you is bare minimum with most being one shot a week of 125mgs; sometimes less than that.

>>77194635
Why though? They’re just going to give you enough to be in range. If you have 180 test and they give you 100mg a week and you retest at 400 that’s all you’re getting.

If you’re looking to actually blast then stop bullshitting yourself. TRT clinics don’t care and will give you 200mg but charge you like 2-500 a month. Just buy the shit yourself

if I am cruising on 200 test and I make it fit my macros, how bad is getting drunk twice a week?

>>77194892
It's fine

>>77194635
If you want to temporarily nuke your T levels, all you need to do is take a few pills of Cyproterone acetate in the days leading up to your test. It reduces your T levels by about 50% and they'll return to normal a few days after stopping.

What increases semen volume besides hcg

Retinol gel works so good man this disgusting cystic steroid induced acne is finally getting burnt off and going away

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>>77194937
Sarms unironically work better, I know a guy who used rad and mk and totally crashed his test. 80 total test for months, finally got prescribed by the doctor. He still looks dogshit tho after running 500 test for 4 months.

>>77194941
I would also like to know this.

How retarded is it to start accutane at 80 mg vs working my way up to that dose?

>>77195041
Which one are you using? I got Adapalene and it isn't doing too much

To any fat asses reading this

Buy tirzepitide not steroids. Use steroids once you get to 10-13%BF.

There’s a bunch of you people with 30-40+BMI on TikTok starting roids then getting gyno or getting even fatter

>>77195138
my favorite are tik tokers using 12mg+ of reta a week just to keep a mid physique and complaining it's fucking their dopamine lmao.

Don't get wrong GLPS are fucking awesome, but they're running shitloads instead of changing their diet. Like they're stacking 2 or 3 glps just to force themselves not to eat, insanity.

>>77195121
I used that for like 2 days because I ran out and it was dogshit, I used the Cerave Retinol Resurfacing Serum and it basically just burns ur top skin layer where you apply it (Chest/shoulders for me) drying out the cystic pores and blackheads whiteheads etc. I pop the bad zits before I shower then use the Retinol gel after I dry off before putting on a shirt letting it dry a bit.
The Cerave is expensive so I buy another retinol gel on amazon but the shipper delivers a prescription strength Tretinoin Gel.
If you have stubborn acne I highly suggest it, Accutane didn't help mine but this shit is working when every other acne topical didnt work either.

>>77195138
Yeah e2 management is tricky even if you aren't a fat ass

>>77195138
started blasting T at 25% bodyfat
didn't have any negative sides
you can blast a gram of test per week at 50% bodyfat if you take the appropriate AI
dont let wristlets with chicken leg genetics gatekeep you from a better life

>>77195138
Tirz and TRT dose is fine. Cycle is dumb and retarded.

>>77195344
This. TRT will help if you're fatty. Your testo is fucked probably. Use tirz not Retameme.

>>77195344
Cutting on straight test at a high weight has the problem of insulin resistance. GLP's take care of that.
>>77195353
>Tirze
This is for turbo fatties.

>>77195353
I'm on Reta, why are you calling it a meme?
I never tried Tirz, I figured they were similar

>>77195162
Surprising Accutane didn't work, I assumed that would nuke all acne with the risk of some perma side effects.
Also surprising Adapalene didn't work but Retinol did since it is supposed to be even stronger?
Still good to know, I will give Retinol a shot if I run out of ideas.

>>77195344
>>77195353

based. I also went on a TRT dose to lose weight, then did a real cycle once I was no longer a fat ass and it worked fine for me.

>>77195424
Tirz has the best food suppression. If you’re obese use tirz.

Reta allows you to eat which is good for people who already lift but for obese people they can still overeat the fullness

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I have bar far the best fizeek at my gym but I'm weaker than at least 1/4 of the guys there

>>77195627
by far*

So how are you people dealing with the premature aging? Like every PED user looks older

>>77195757
I'm already 35 so idc

On my cut for summer, trying to keep as much muscle as possible. I'm on 240 test, 20 Var (ramping to 50 next week). Question is how much am I going to notice dropping test back down to 200? I just felt way better on 200 mood wise, but I don't want to risk losing muscle.

>>77195757
Does making you look manly mean it makes you look old?
I prefer looking manly to low test

>>77195777
checked, you're still gonna lose muscle; less than a natty, but alot more than a guy running tren. test 40mg ain't gonna make a difference so just do what feels best.

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>>77195781
The girls interested in me now are jailbait to mid twenties. It was the complete opposite natty, 40+ women and that's it.

Ends justify the means.

>>77195790
It's genuinely black pilling how women act around you when you're roided.

>>77195802
i hate women

>>77195783
true thanks bro, tren on next years cut

>>77195790
>>77195802
Actually really true, I don't know if it's just coincidence or what but I feel like I get way more attention from girls with their boyfriends

>>77195821
as in when the boyfriends are with them??

>>77195821
The fomo effect

>>77195821
I get more attention from the girl's boyfriends more than the girls or their girl friends.

any of you guys have experience with super high shbg?
My natty total test is at 900, but with shbg at 101 my free test is at the bottom of the normal range. Tested it again a few months later with similar results 850 and 88
I have frauded in the past like 10+ years ago and now that I'm a boomer I thought about hopping back on. I have heard people say that exogenous test on its own will lower shgb but I dont have the labs to back it up. I did take bloods back then but I dont have access to the results anymore and I don't recall shbg ever being an issue. Otherwise I'm still fit and healthy, everything in range, but noticing a little lack of morning wood and some diminishing returns in the gym

>>77196088
Add Proviron (the nearest you got of a "pure dht" pill) to your TRT.

I don't suppose there's anything like these steroid vendors but for adderall? I was prescribed it years ago but can't be assed to go see a doctor to get represcribed it.

>>77192713
I looked like that middle pic in my 30s, but all i did was train, the life was boring and hard. I wanted to be big, but stayed like a 6ft Bruce Lee. Genetics.

>>77192752
It's hard to say if someone was natty or not without lab tests and even then people beat them. But yeah, he pulled some crazy shit out later on in life, which is suspicious. Then again, a great athlete can peak after years of training and be supernatural. I think frauding helps them avoid the minor injuries and recover from major ones, that's what fucks a career.

>>77196325
The thing about frauding is you can do it at a point in your career when you have a low chance of being tested and then train past your genetic limit once you're off. That's why the US Olympic swimmers wanted to change the rules to ban anyone that ever tested positive because the chinks were caught juicing and came back after their ban.

>>77196270
You can get modafinil pretty easily. It's better than Adderall imo. You get the focus benefits without getting addicted to speed.

>>77196433
Never heard of it, looking into it. Will it help me with my schooling and programming?

>>77196434
Yeah I've taken it for years and I'm a programmer. Just helps you stay awake and focused. I guess the downside is there's no body high or whatever so you can't abuse it if you want to go out drinking. Or I guess you could but it would just make you stay awake all night.

>>77194240
I did not need AI on my first 500 mg test cycle, was at like 18% BF and only had a little of (uniform, not localized to ankles) bloating
I'm running 250 mg now and at like 11-12% BF, so something other than just high E2 must be going on, I've never had these issues with winstrol/tren before either

Phase 1
Wks 1-2 40mg Osterine/day
wks 1-8
250mg test e
375mg EQ
150mg NPP
2mg Reta
30mg mk677

Phase 2 8-16
200mg ment
200mg tren ace
160mg injectable adrol
4mg Reta
15mg mk677

Lean bulk into slight cut/recomp
6ft2 230 15% bf
Goal 235 10% bf

Asin, Caber, Nolva and Proviron on hand.

Excited to try ment and injectable adrol.

>>77196441
I didn't need AI my first blast either but now I have to occasionally take it on a cruise. idk why. Maybe now I just notice the symptoms earlier

>>77196441
My first two responses I typed out just involved calling you a retard. Look you had high estrogen the first cycle, if you did bloods it could've easily been over 200 e2. Just because you felt fine didn't mean it didn't exist; sometimes sides change from cycle to cycle. Everything you listed is high estrogen, so your refusal to use an AI is nonsensical. Don't fall for the fucking boomer meme of "High estrogen is good for gains", it's shit especially with tren. Just get your e2 in range.

>>77196445
you're gonna do a wack ass cycle with long esters to start, swap to a complete different test base with low doses all around and some how lose 5 percent body fat and gain 5 pounds. LOL, give it a go retard.

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>>77192849
All of them T_T

>>77188335
Just got the call from the TRT clinic. $99/mo for 200mg/week. Doc said I'd be on it for the rest of my life. My t was 560. 10 years of lifting natty, still want to have my own biological children. Thinking about pussying out until after I start my family and just hopping on the TRT train at 40. Will an 8-week cycle of Test C at 200mg fuck my balls up for life?

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>>77196438
Am I retarded or is it actually this expensive?

>>77196433
Been taking 100mg modafinil daily because I was sleeping way too much and it's great like you say. Half life is way better and acts instantly without side effects like adderall.

>>77196637
Is it really as expensive as >>77196625 or am I being memed?

>>77196637
Moda is shit, it's not a stimulant. Basically stops you dropping off as the day goes on and makes your piss smell like battery acid.

>>77196639
I'm yuropoor but it's quite expensive compared to other stuff, I paid $140 for 100 tablets when I got my prescription.

>>77195757
When i inject steroids I put a ligature around my neck to stop the steroids reaching my head and face. I take it off after a few minutes when the steroids have passed.

>>77196643
Have you tried drinking more water? Keeping yourself awake is the whole point. Other stimuli will get you addicted and the effect will wear down over time. With modafinil you just block the signals that tell your body to go to sleep.

>>77196647
Yeah I'll either wait until I get my insurance benefits to kick in or just get adderall.

>>77195757
Plenty of PEDs and adjacent drugs that make you look more youthful
For instance, collagen is definitely important and moderate hgh increases it, not the doses you take for competition and need to use insulin with though
Lots of roiders dont care about that and want max str or size or both at the cost of everything else
Skill issues will also make you look way older for the amount of roids
>every PED user
Very likely you are seeing ppl that are getting as lean as possible for whatever reason, comps, just extreme body dysmorphia, etc and not the many many others that don't advertise they are on roids

TLDR normies cannot tell if you roid unless you are <3% bf and/or look like death and think thats what everyone that roids looks like

>>77196546
Post body

Those are very high doses if you're not a tranny, getting bunk shit, or a fat ass ball of estrogen. The Test E and EQ will still be in my system for an overlap with the new compounds, covering the time it takes for them to titrate up in the system.

Fuck nu fraud is retarded.

>>77196604
There is literally no point in injecting T at 200mg a week unless your T levels are virtually undetectable (which yours aren't). You should stay natty and just use Enclomiphene if you want to boost your test.

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>>77188335
>>Where do I start?
>reddit
and i thought 4chan was the intellectual's choice.

Utterly baffled there isn't a /fraud/ sticky copypasta with everything from the basics to advanced info in a clear + concise manner with the science to back it up. Not even where to begin on sourcing? Nothing? A reddit link? That's it? You guys are fucking retarded and I recommend anyone reading this to just leave and go somewhere that has the above because you'll never make it browsing this shithole. Yeah, go ahead and combo tren + test + win in your first cycle and just blast the fuck out of your endocrine system for fun, who cares about AI and who gives a shit about your heart. just try it out, and if you don't like it, you can just quit but you're still in for a heart attack later in life because you got your advice from 4chan where they just link to FUC;kinG REDDIT for "where do i start". Reddit. Really. You have to be joking, like I'm actually mad right now that you guys don't even have a fucking copypasta for basics or sources or fucking anything. I don't even give a shit whats on that reddit link, because I'm not going on fucking reddit and neither should anyone with two braincells left. yeah, get your advice from anonymous dumbfucks advocating for 800mg test for first time user. good job guys you are retarded. i really am questioning some of my own choices now for even being here in the first place to see this shit. i'd rather be curled up into a ball forced to suck my own dick and swallow my own cum in the 7th ring of hell while satan laughs as background noise for eternity than take advice from people who can't even scramble a half-coherent general. my anger at this point has faded slightly and i can sense it turning into extreme fatigue for the brazen faggotry i've witnessed here today. im just done. i can't. fuck you reading this, fuck this redditfag thread, fuck this board, and fuck this stupid website. i'm out.

>>77196775
Post body.

>>77196643
its good because its not a stimulant. I would just unironically go buy some meth if I wanted a stimulant

>>77196756
Gen Z retard. Don't post if you're just going to talk out of your ass

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>>77196682
LOL, "recomping" with 4 watery compounds, low dose tren and to GAIN 5 pounds and DROP 5% body fat. Lying faggot lmao. I bet you're 25% bodyfat minimum.

>>77196779
>replying to pasta
idiot
>>77196804
He's not wrong, 200mg of test won't do shit in 8 weeks.

>>77196829
Zoomer, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about....better get your PCT ready, cant blast and cruise in the desert after the Orange Pedo drafts your unemployed ass for his jew war.

>>77196836
bullshit lol. 200mg test for 8 weeks made my delts and traps blow up and gave me a look that most anons on here would suspect is a roid body

>>77196836
It's not pasta IDIOT go back to browsing fucking reddit you dumb faggot
>>77196779
>post body
WOW GOTCHA HAHAHAH WOW GOOD ONE BUD LET ME UPLOAD A PICTURE OF MYSELF JUST FOR YOU

fuck off faggot I have literally nothing to prove to you and you hang out in Mouthdrool Central (/fit/) that doesn't even have a fucking copypasta for a general. get a fucking grip nigger.

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>>77196844
lol, this boomer is definitely bulking with his ment cycle to 40% bf. Gotta fatten up lmao

>natty brigade has arrive
Whelp, there's always next thread.

Do any of you run wet compounds? It’s dry as fuck in here

>>77196804
Lol you absolute retard. Why would you recommend a guy with 560 T who still wants to have kids to take 200mg of T for 8 weeks, that's the most retarded shit ever.

>>77196899
>>77196804
>>77196756
>>77196604
See? All of this kindergarten bullshit would simply be solved if you guys had a pasta with general information to answer these questions. Instead, you guys are here like FUCKING RETARDS linking REDDIT as a PLACE for INFORMATION

>>77196904
Fit isn’t very active to begin with. The onahole and pocket pussy threads get more traffic. And the subreddit is mostly dead as well. It’s just used as a wiki.

If you’re serious about this you’re on one of the forums. This is just a shitpost thread

>>77196852
No it didn't

>>77196625
I get them for like $.90 per 200 mg pill I think and I take 100mg per day. You gotta look on leddit for sources those are scams.

>>77196904
People have always asked, the same questions over and over regardless of whatever is posted in the OP. HOW NU R U
>>77196934
lol, meso? Those forums make this thread look like a civilized debate in comparison.
>>77196960
you can always spot the natty shit posting claiming a small amount of test gives AMAZING results. Fuckloads of guys in gyms are on test and look terrible.

10/10 thread so far, niggers
Keep it up, I'm mightly entertained

>>77196775
Bro has been raped by the Reddit founders or something.
It's just well documented and easy to learn. Try therapy on your reddit trauma

if i may ask a question without doing my own research for 10 seconds
i understand that there are way smarter methods now than what was done 50 years ago when it comes to supportive substances
but is there a no brainer for someone who works out but does not supplement anything? eg. things with so few negative effects that it will always be worth it?
30 yo/bad and inconsistent sleep&workouts/too high bf

>>77196445
>>77196682

What's the point of 8 weeks of EQ though?
This does sound quite pointless and like you wanted to do a cycle with as many different compounds as possible

>>77196882
I love Dbol but I have no more AI I can’t justify buying more Aromasin if I want to run EQ in a month on just a Test/EQ cycle.

>>77196643
>Moda is shit, it's not a stimulant
We don't want a stimulant nigga. We want something we can take to power through the day and get shit done. Moda is best for this. Stims are best for gooning and playing videogames for 24h straight

>>77197017
For what?

>>77197017
>too hifh bf
Start tirzepatide and see the magic happens

>>77196904
Ok let's make an OP. Pic related is the recommended /fraud/ beginner cycle >>77192626

>>77197027
looking for any advice here, so anything that comes to mind. i think i emptied most normal (legal) store shelves for products that may help at this point
>>77197029
from that bodyhacks-sub i saw reta + trt seems to be a good combination for a lot of people. i probably will start with one of those weight loss meds, my doctor did mention she would prescribe it if i asked

>>77196976
ASF is a better forum imo

>>77196625
Been a while since I’ve used moda but I always bought through India pharmacies. Even domestic importers never ran that high

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>>77197017
Use GLPs. SARMs are retarded. You might as well be running test which has decades of data and risk research, not experimental shit.

Anyone telling you a flower or herb will heal you or will hit like anabolics is full of shit

Tirz>Reta if you’re obese.

>>77197063
>Tirz>Reta if you’re obese.
just overweight. neck, belly. rest is pretty lean if you ask me. in europe so will check availability for tirz.
got to make sure i am not a blob once i get out of this marriage

>>77196445
this feels like it was recommended by someone selling gear lol. Got enough different drugs in there? sheesh

I would do less different drugs if it were me. Every drug is a variable. You are making it really hard to identify what is going wrong if you get any bad sides. Youll probably just have to abort everything but the test or whatever.

>>77197321
>bad sides
Just take something else for the sides.
Easy.

>>77196756
>>77196899
Thinking 560 natty levels is the same as 200 test is literally brain dead. The problem with you kids is you just regurgitate shit you've heard online. 200 weekly puts me at 1200, you don't know how you're going to respond until you take it and do your own blood work. Also ask anyone on 150 TRT if they think it's not worth it. Having your test levels raised chronically plus crushing SHBG is a different ballgame. Maybe try actually learning instead of watching tiktoks.

first pin of Reta so weird not going all the way intramuscular, seems like a waste when I just want to cut for another month at most before blasting hard.

>>77197820
200 is obviously not natty, but you statement for that you looked roided with huge traps and delts after 8 weeks on 200 is retard tier. Unless that was a cruise after a cycle or some shit. If you said 4/5 months etc I'd believe it.

>>77197831
You do realize it takes 4-5 weeks for peak concentration at a given dose right? Presumably you don't want to be on this for your blast so you can just stop now, but yeah that was a waste.

>>77197874
2 months; was a typo. 30mg was free so I just am going to use it until I hit my goal BF% roughly. I am still dieting like the past few months but “why not” was the motto for this final push to see if it is worth the hype. Mainly using it for suppression since I am a slave to night snacking.

>>77196604
>Will an 8-week cycle of Test C at 200mg fuck my balls up for life?
No but you'll still look like a natty so you'll have to PCT for literally nothing. Just do the ashwagandha, butthole suntanning copes natties do until you're done having kids and nuke your balls with a real cycle.

>>77197321
Thats fair, but I've been BCing for 10 years and want to try ment and injectable anadrol. I've pretty well tried everything except those, DHB and some SARMS.

I've always found smaller doses of multiple compounds gave me the best results with the lowest sides. I've felt the best, looked the best, and have been the strongest on 375mg EQ, 150mg Test Prop, 100mg Tren Ace, 100mg NPP/week for example in the past-no real side effect besides the obvious suppression.

>>77197877
Gotcha, if you're going to use it all anyways then it's not a waste. Have you taken some before to know what dose works for you? Sounds like no. On one hand, you want to front load it so you're hungry in 2 months when blasting. On the other hand if you take too much you're going to starve yourself and lose muscle.

Generally speaking even 5mg weekly might be too much, and it's a 6 week dose at that rate plus another month of elimination. 3.5mg tirzepatide has made me snack way less, care about food way less and in general not really enjoy eating too much. It's pretty easy for me to fast on this dose and lose weight.

>>77198216
What is this dumb meme about cycles making you infertile. Just do HCG and PCT and you're absolutely fine. Im convinced even if you did fuck all you'd still be absolutely fine within a year.

I've done countless cycles of various compounds and had 4 kids in between.

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Nobody has done oral tren have they? I got a 100 pack and I run tren ace all of the time, seems a bit pointless; but then i hear it's alot like halo.

>>77198472
It's time to discuss boofing tren

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>>77198481
I just pinned 150mg of ace and popped at 250mcg. Lets see how this goes

>>77197820
160 test puts me at 500'ish tt 110 ft and 90 something e2 :( shbg is like fuckin.... 4 or some dumb shit. i need to get my thyroid checked, and whatever the diabetes thing is. i got somethin goin on

>>77198493
Add another 300mg to that ace. It's time to induce fear in women.

>>77198465
Ok fair but it's still 200mg which is a waste of time.

>>77198512
Unfortunately it doesn’t work like that. The scarier you are they less scared they are. Women are retarded.

>>77197820
Really, 200 test injected is that low? I was on 200mg cream and enclomiphene and was 1200 total test. Maybe that's why the doc specifically asked me if that actually felt good and didn't have side effects lol. The enclo was doing nothing btw, I ended up getting shut down. The most I hit on enclo was 1000. Free test is around 200 on enclo and was 300 on test cream.

>>77197831
Since when do ppl pin glp1s IM? Thought it was subq injections
If it's oil based sure IM all day

>>77198604
its just some absolute fucking moron trying to troll. probably the same guy who always talked about using butter as carrier oil for his reta. A real autist who never had a single friend

>>77197820
Holy shit you're retarded.

>Thinking 560 natty levels is the same as 200 test is literally brain dead.

Nobody said this!

HE WANTS TO HAVE KIDS YOU DUMB FUCK. There is no point doing an 8 week 'cycle' of 200mg of T if he still wants to have kids. Holy fucking shit you're dumb.

There is nobody with a brain in this whole community who would recommend an 8-week cycle of Test C at 200mg anyway. Let alone to a guy in his 30s who still wants to have kids.

He should do what I said and just take Enclomiphene or stay natty until he's had kids or until he's learnt more about roiding and is fully ready to commit to hcg and T for life.

>>77198619
>an 8 week cycle of 200 test

lol that is really retarded. 8 weeks is about when you would start to notice some minor changes

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>>77198615
Shit troll attempt so I'm assuming retard