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Don't buy anything other than IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad T, X, and W/P Series if you want the Real Business Experience™
Other business laptops are welcome in /tpg/ (Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook)
Why ThinkPad?
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap
>Utilitarian design: e.g. mix of old and new ports, stable keyboard layout
>Easy to repair, upgrade (some models) & maintain thanks to readily available service manuals, spare parts easy to obtain
>Usable in cramped quarters thanks to the TrackPoint
>Excellent Linux & *BSD support
ThinkWiki - General info
https://www.thinkwiki.org/
Model generations:
>Classic IBM: T40-T42
>IBM/Lenovo transition: T43 T60 T61 (T42-T43: significant spec difference; T43-T60: 64-bit arch)
>Classic Lenovo: T400-T430 (T61-T400: 4:3 to 16:10; T410-T420: 16:10 to 16:9; T420-T430: 6-row keyboard, USB 3)
>Boxy ultrabooks: T440-T480 (T430-T440: eDP, M.2, soldered CPU; T460-T470: NVMe, USB-C)
>Thin above all: T490 T14g1 T14g2 (T480-T490: soldered WiFi (Intel), partly soldered RAM, internal battery only)
>TrackPoint on a pig: T14g3 T14g4 (T14g2-T14g3: 16:9 to 16:10, fully soldered RAM/WiFi (AMD), end of mechanical docks)
>iFixit-approved TrackPoint on pig: T14g5-... (T14g4-T14g5: Ctrl/Fn swap, camera bump, modular RAM returns)
FAQ:
>Oldest that won't choke on the modern web
Light use: x61
YouTube, Gmail etc: xx10(s)
>Oldest that drives a 4K monitor
xx40(p/s)
>Oldest that takes 32 GB RAM
X260 T460p/s W510
>Lasts full day on battery
T550 T560 X260 xx70 Tx80 T16 and any Lunar Lake
>Newest with socketed CPU
T440p W541
BIOS replacement:
https://coreboot.org/ | https://libreboot.org/ | https://canoeboot.org/
Supports x60 xx00(s)-xx30(s) T440p W54x T470s Tx80(s)
Additional resources:
https://dankpads.com/tpg/ | https://biosimage.booru.org | https://github.com/n4ru/1vyrain
Patches:
https://github.com/digmorepaka/thinkpad-firmware-patches
https://github.com/hamishcoleman/thinkpad-ec
Chat:
##ibmthinkpad on libera | #/tpg/ on rizon
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Kinda happy with myself I just fixed my first laptop ever a T61 found for 3 euros the same processor and for 30 I bought a bundle of 6 ram sticks DDR2 2GB also managed to change the hard drive since I had it open for a cheap ssd from Cex so quite happy I got a new processor on it upgraded from 1gb to 4gb and upgraded from 80gb hdd to 260gb ssd.
The only casualty is the wifi and bluetooth funcionallity somehow while I changed the processor I fucked up and destroyed the chip by accident, so far I dont care cause I have RJ45s in my room plus a few Usb wifi/bluetooth antenas in me room.
I did get Linux mint with XFCE, kinda looks good, Im having second thoughts on not getting a desktop environment with less memory such as LxQT or Sway, but quite happy how it works, I did set it up with plenty of apps from Flathub so I can use it as an off-line typewritter, with also a few emulators and VLC to watch 720p from my physical drives in case of power/internet outtage.
I reckon the T61 must be frowned upon cause its a very slow boy but for what little I need suffices.All the upgrades I bought for it costed me like less than 40 euros, the things I regret my T61 doesnt have the IBM letters on it and I lost the red clitoris mouse in between the keys about a 15 years ago when I was drunk playing doom in the street with it.
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>>107871956
X1 has never been affordable.
>>107872014
6850U gets better battery life, 7840U gets better performance.
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What do you think? Worth it for the price?
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Does anyone know of something like pic related but even smaller? I have a T430 and I want to get one of these USB-C adapters for it, but ideally I'd want something with a low enough profile that I can leave it plugged in all the time without worrying.
Is there anything like this but small enough to fit flush with the overhang above the USB ports on the left side of a T430?
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>recently bought two E14 gen 1s
>170€ (200$) a piece
>i5 10th gen, 16gb ram and 256gb nvme
>bought em cause low cost and 16gb ram
>thought it was going to be cheap plastic crap because E
>actually very solid, metal chasis and minimal flex
>screen is pretty decent
>speakers better than on my x1
>only the keyboard is a bit stiffer and less comfortable than other thinkpads I used
I know /tpg/ likes to shit on newer thinkpads and especially the E series, but I'm very happy with the value I got. I'd really like an x220 or t430 but it's hard for me to justify the price for actual usage I could get out of them. Sadly the "20$ reliable thinkpad" has turned into "200$ troonix enthusiast project". Maybe it really is time to move on. Thoughts?
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Just ordered a T14s Gen 6 with the AMD CPU and 64GB RAM. Fuck this shit is expensive but I hope it'll last long.
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Do the docks work under linux(including -libre) and libreboot? Specifically the 40AJ/Ultra Dock. I remember some other laptop docks being a bitch. I only use a single monitor.
>>107878710
Feel you bro I was on this Polish store and they stopped selling T480 without Windows 11 (Like 12 euro) cheaper right as I had it on my cart.
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>>107878094
Shipping for one unit was way expensive, and since 2 were available, buying them together basically cut the cost per unit in two. I plan to keep the cosmetically worse one for myself and resell the better looking one. Where I live, the 8gb version goes for 250€ so I could basically cut the cost even further and still give someone a pretty good deal
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Bought a X220 a few days ago. While i have my MBP M1 and it's nice and does everything I need it to do this keyboard is just fantastic. I'm an unc zoomer so I've never had this keyboard on any of my personal machines. While the battery health is quite poor it's lasting surprisingly well on void + i3 and can do everything I need it to do. Next week I'll try and get it to connect to unis wifi and if that works I might just daily this machine. All I need for notes and assignments is nvim.
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Finally got a new, modern ThinkPad. It's very nice. But I do miss the old days of swapping batteries, deep keyboards, upgrade-able RAM. At least the build quality is still pretty good and the screen is great.
You don't even get most of that with a T series these days.
As mostly a daily Windows user, installing Linux was a breeze.
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>>107879217
Nvm, It was in stock again, when I added it back to my cart.
For T480
This: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001274125904.html ath9k wifi card should be compatible?
And this: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000466416321.html should be a legit glass trackpad?
I bought a JP keyboard on vinted but got refunded because "Someone bought it 2 minutes ago???"
This: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32904762342.html is much more expensive than what I got refunded.
There's much cheaper T25 keyboards out on ali now but I haven't seen any with review images this: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32904762342.htmlwas from the most "reputable" reviewer of them but still doesn't look too good
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>>107879217
>linux
Works perfectly
>linux-libre
I don't use it (still have the stock Intel wifi) but don't see why it wouldn't work
>libreboot
With the original version, display output, Ethernet and charging worked, and USB and audio were broken. The current rc version might fix this, haven't tried yet.
>>107880740
>This: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000466416321.html ath9k wifi card should be compatible?
This is E key, you need A or A+E key
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>>107867485
Fan shit the bed. It spins but not enough and I struggle to stay under 80 C.
I've never replaced a fan on a notebook before, they never lasted long enough for the fan to die. Are they all the same? Do I buy them by size? How do I mount it on the heatpipe? It has a couple of tiny screws and a little copper tab, I think other than that it is glued/taped to it? Do other thinkpad models share the same fan? Are chinese fans good?
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My T480, I bought new back when, is starting to die, it is the single best piece of computing hardware I ever owned, internal battery is at 67% and external is 76%, replaced the original 3 cell with the biggest one available down the line. The hinges start to squeak, and the left side is getting stuck from time to time. My backcover has a crack as well.
I have the i7 MX150 model with 32GB RAM and currently 2 SSDs, one 2242 512GB and a 2TB SATA.
Should I restore it to pristine condition, or should I upgrade and if yes to what? I was thinking maybe a Framework, but I will miss my NewPad keyboard, as all newer laptops have less key travel.
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>>107881395
>Are they all the same?
No.
>Do I buy them by size?
Buy one that says it's for your laptop model.
>How do I mount it on the heatpipe? It has a couple of tiny screws and a little copper tab, I think other than that it is glued/taped to it?
Yes. Little bendy copper tabs and tape. The screws are probably for the fan unit case itself and don't need to come out.
>Do other thinkpad models share the same fan?
Possibly, it depends.
>Are chinese fans good?
They're all Chinese.
You should talk to a [non-jewish] doctor about your anxiety.
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>>107881628
Batteries are wear items that need replacement periodically. Hinges are fiddley but doable to replace. If it meets your computing needs, you should probably fix it.
However, it sounds like you already have the upgrade bug and it can't be cured until you buy a newer, inferior product and realize you hate it. Then comes the coping and regret.
You want us to give you permission to CONSOOM and I won't. Others might.
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>>107881679
I am fine with repairing the laptop, I have a M3 Max 16in MacBook from work and I hate the keyboard enough to keep my T480 around, and I know my way around a laptop to repair it. I am thinking of maybe getting a different MB without the Nvidia trash, but that would bump up the parts cost significantly. From around 100 bucks to 200+. And it is still an old laptop after all.
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>>107881628
you should buy another T480 because it is cheap.. and some newer thinkpad gen 3 and above so you have some modern hardware.. there is simply never enough thinkpads, i have 6 thinkpads that i accumulated past 5years hunting for them on ebay
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Relative of mine has a yoga 370 with 16gb or ram and a 500gb ssd and an i7 7600u, whats a fair price to give to them? i was thinking 100$ or am i ripping em off, its a computer they got for free from work that they never used so its just been sitting for 2-3 years now, the battery health is at 75% so ill probably replace that, also any recs on Linux distros that work well with 2-in-1 laptops? this is a usecase for GNOME i assume
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>>107884136
That's a fair price I think.
KDE can do touch/pen input and screen rotation now I think. Kubuntu and call it a day. Debian is usually fine too with testing or Sid repos. If you hate yourself and wear programming socks go ahead and install Arch.
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Has anyone explored the state of other brands like HP, Dell, VAIO, Panasonic, Dynabook? Might any of them be better than modern Thinkpads?
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>>107884593
>hp
made out of very thin aluminum metal
usually don't survive second drop
>dell
retards at Dell removed upgradeable memory on most of the models circa 2021
lower and midrange models are very plasticy and cheap feeling
plus mega retard naming
>VAIO
if you want a quirky laptop from the 2000s with 0 repairability and spare parts, VAIO is a strong contender
>Panasonic
very expensive but have a ton of ports in a small package
look and feel very cheap despite being made out of magnesium like ThinkPads
wouldn't go for it as a main laptop
>Dynabook
kinda like Dell but japanese meaning no spare parts, schematics, or warranty
>might any of them be better than modern Thinkpads?
maybe the E or L series, but anything in the T/P/X series is going to be better than the offerings from the aforementioned brands
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>>107881186
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/264780578379
Is this A+E Key? It's already more expensive and I haven't checked shipping costs. AFAIK QCNFA222 is the only ath9k card available in that form factor.
>>107880740
Mixed the T25 link with T480 here's the correct one
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008594388257.html
Pictures here look better
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005009226162354.html
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>>107884593
I had Dells and HPs for work up til about 2015. They were serviceable. The Dells in particular lasted forever but they were the fattest plastic slabs I've ever had but practically indestructible. HPs ran hot and had a host of weird issues with docks, and the keyboards were not good. They both were ran into the ground long past their useful life for most people. The Thinkpads I've owned since, personally, from the same era were better in all respects. I have no idea what modern Dells or HPs are like.
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>>107884593
old 5000 series Latitude are very bulky and indestructible. I like it. I miss my old e5470 with trackpoint, FHD IPS screen and gen 6 quadcore intel HQ series CPU. That big boy would absolutely destroy even the mighty T480 in build quality and performance.
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>>107887032
The dynabooks that I found can be cheap, but as far as I see they got rid of the trackpoint after 11th gen like HP.
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will running linux on my x13 reduce it's battery life? I'm not exactly new to linux but I use mint and I rarely touch the terminal on my desktop.
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I took a look at the Coreboot build tool, and there's already support for the X280. Not sure how well supported it is though. I assume there are some issues present, as was the case with the T480 initially. I assume Libreboot will add support for the board within the next release. Nice, but after checking out Libreboot, I think Coreboot is sufficient for my use case.
There's actually a handful of boards that are supported within the build tool, but aren't mentioned on the documentation page. Even further, some boards are "technically supported", but only as a result of them essentially being the same as another that's officially supported.
I should (might)... probably buy one before scalperfags do their thing. Might be a neat upgrade from an X230.
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Hi anons
I'd like to daily drive my X230t but it has some issues. Most importantly, the battery hardly lasts an hour when the CPU is in use. It's at 80% capacity, which I understand to be the time to replace it. Where can I get the best replacement batteries? Battery repair seems prohibitively expensive in comparison.
Second, there's a crack on the corner of the palmrest. I'd like to replace it and the keyboard at the same time, either with a backlit keyboard or a classic keyboard/palmrest. Dubs decides.
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>>107887675
>80% capacity
Mine is at 2.4%...
And you'll have to play chink roulette with that. No other option.
Battery repair is only worth if it you can do it yourself.
Don't waste time with backlit, get classic keyboard/palmrest.
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>>107887765
Depending on what's it's doing, it last about 3 minutes or so, tops.
I find it kind of neat how extremely fucked and degraded it is while still working. It's kind of the same feeling as watching the para olympics.
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Are there any third party alternatives for this piece of shit?
Every couple weeks it spontaneously toggles itself off, switches mmb to scroll mode and/or disables mouse buttons entirely until reboot.
All I want is a basic middle click instead of scroll mode.
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>>107874910
It's a fucking 8th gen intel for the price of ~11th gen intel / ryzen Thinkpad.
If all you care about is display resolution you can find Thinkpad Tablet Gen 3 for under $300
>>107875030
15" i7 version has dGPU in a keyboard dock.
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Does the M.2 Slot on W541 Mainboard even accept SSDs? I tried putting NVMe first (I also removed some plastic shavings from the slot because I couldn't fit it inside) and then SATA but still didn't show up in BIOS or in live system. On forums and xeddit people said that this slot is for WWAN (which is enabled in I/O) and it werks. SATA Controller is in AHCI mode.
>Pls help saars
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>>107889019
>I also removed some plastic shavings from the slot because I couldn't fit it inside
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>>107889101
It was clearly trash that somehow got it inside, but I'm not sure if it was caused by me trying to shove M key inside or was there before. The NVMe one is M key, SATA is B+M key. Soooo I can assume that my slot is fucked up?
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I'm using network manager tui. Yesterday I was sitting in a weird spot at uni and got it to connect but couldn't get it working. Will have to try again on monday. I have a hunch that the super basement bunker of the library where I was sitting isn't the best place for this shit's old ass wifi card
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Threadly P16 Gen3 post.
>>107871366
>And get the bigger ac adapter (from 170W to 230W)
Will do.
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>>107895548
>4chins keeps eating the pic
WHAT IS GOING ON, I'M LOSING MY MINDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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>>107895548
>P16 Gen3
T16g Gen 3 is out now in some countries. Not that anyone could afford it
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I’m looking to buy a new Linux laptop for work (some software dev, some random office stuff). No gaming. No Arm. Actually functions as a laptop (portable, decent battery, decent display, reasonable size). 32 GB RAM, 1 TB SSD, latest gen available immediately (can’t wait for Panter Lake). I’m thinking ThinkPad T series or Dell Pro Max or some HP. Budget 2500 EUR. What does /g recommend?
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>>107881628
fren i have a T480 and a T430 and use the latter more because I find the keyboard comfy, I would not upgrade to another laptop, just replace the battery and you will be good, T480 screen is way better than the T430, use that thing until it actually breaks before buying a newer laptop
>>107884593
newer enterprise Dells are pretty nice if you can find one for cheap, I have a Dell Precision 3490 that I am giving to my mother, it's solid and the hardware is very well supported both with Linux and Windows
>>107887402
no, the latest DEs like KDE have excellent power management out of the box, you won't need to mess with terminal to tweak settings, stick to Mint or Fedora for best experience
>>107897023
wow that kb layout looks like a step back to classic comfy, is it just looks or feels good also?
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>can't decide if i'm going with x13 or t490
it's essentially a screen size/weight dilemma, both will be basic versions i5 and 16gb
every time I travel, I curse having a brick-sized hobo laptop (currently l512), and then every time i settle down I'm thankful for that 14" screen. Ideally I'd like a lightweight laptop with a 14" screen but i don't have the budget for it.
anybody have experience actually working with a small as fuck screen/keyboard for long hours? is it going to fuck up my neck, eyes and will it be a hassle typing?
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>>107900115
i've accepted the larger screen pill, yes it sucks to haul around a 15" laptop for work or personal travel (2xThailand per year kek) but once I get there the laptop sits on hotel desk, so it's not that bad, especially with a roller bag and taxi/uber, the larger screen helps a ton with work and other productivity
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>>107900115
>working with a small as fuck screen/keyboard for long hours
Resident Titaniumfag here, I use it for 8 hours every day, though mostly just to read stuff. But I also carry it around every day on foot for ~1 hour so weight/size was most important factor.
Keyboard is fine, actually I like its snappy tactility more than mushy lenovo usb trackpoint keyboards.
I was wary of small screen but the resolution turned out just right and I would never downgrade to 1920x1080.
>fuck up my neck
Use a desk stand to raise screen to eye level.
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>>107897023
I am aware, the only difference between the two is GPU and ISV certification. But I still want the P16 until I'm certain that the T16g can also handle the P16 GPU modules which I'm almost sure it won't.
Difference being 16 vs 24GB of VRAM on the top models.
Hell, I'd be fine if they moved the T16 (non G, the regular model) to a design with top-side hinges like God intended ThinkPads to have instead of these gay hinges that cut a piece out of the base like they do now. Would change my compute strategy a lot if they did that.
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From what I've heard its still better than the keyboards on the cheaper models like the pieces of paper that are standing in for a keyboard on my L13 Gen4. I loathe that keyboard, it's unreal. If it is anything resembling my T540p's keyboard I'm fine with it, even though it's not the classic layout, the travel is still amazing.
>>107898651
Modern T440p would be nice, but I need a numpad. One of the reasons I'm on /tpg/ and not /fag/ is because Apple does not offer laptops with a numpad.
>>107898755
Chill your nuts, it's just a marketing label for the boomer investors. Slap linux on it and call it a day.
>>107900007
>wow that kb layout looks like a step back to classic comfy, is it just looks or feels good also?
That's literally the keyboard that was introduced with the T540p / W540 / W541 (pic rel). The layout isn't as great as the old IBM layout was, but the travel and haptic feel is much better than the classic layout (on the T540p, no idea what it's like on the P16 Gen3 / T16 Gen3).
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>>107903215
Sucks, but learning to code can be done on way older machines, I was using a T500 until 2022 for Uni and switched to a T540p only for the battery.
If you have a spare GPU laying around you could get an eGPU dock for gaming.
>>107903491
Very strong stats, what are you paying? What kind of Linux work?
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Can someone help me please? I just recently bought a Thinkpad T440 and i plan to use it to study programing, but the problem is i live in brazil and use the ABNT-2 layout, so the thinkpads in the past have a common problem where the button where the "slash" and "question" mark dont work, they simply do not register on the computer, can you guys help me? I use OMARCHY-Linux.
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>>107903577
It it's still running great, why bother. Just keep in mind, you won't be able to purchase anything until 2028 because the situation is going to get worse until then.
>>107903716
It's a reddit link, but I think this is what you're looking for?
https://www.reddit.com/r/omarchy/comments/1oafey7/configuring_hyprland omarchy_to_use_two_keyboards/
>>107904118
>ThinkPad P16s Gen 4
Its ok I guess.
>ThinkBook 16p Gen 6
Consumer stuff
>HP ZBook Power G11A
No idea
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>>107898587
T14 Gen 6 or P14s Gen 6.
The biggest difference is that the T14 has Intel U and the P14s Intel H CPUs. Other than that, the P14s does not have a visible audio mesh/grille and is a litte bigger on the outside, but not by much.
Your spec runs for 1777,91€ for the T14 (Intel 255U, no OS, 3K screen) and the P14s (Intel 255H, no OS, 3K screen, bigger battery) for 2104€ in Germany.
But honestly, for your purposes (some software dev, some random office stuff) these might be overkill.
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>>107877954
I have an E15 Gen 4. They are good laptops but the hinge design is basically the same as the Ideapads, which is faulty and prone to breaking. Get a 5.5mm socket and loosen the nut on the hinge. You have to unscrew it from the motherboard and push it up and remove it from the palmrest to do it. It should pass the one finger test, but have enough force to not flop around by itself. Keep away from the Gen 2, they have a faulty power delivery system.
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I'm having trouble deciding which 13-14" I should upgrade to. I really like these guys I've had since 2017 and I'm afraid nothing will match them. But better performance and USB-C charging would be nice.
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>E14 is dying
>Gonna really do it this time! Gonna get a Samsung or an Asus with an OLED display! Sick of 45% NTSC color gamut!
>Browse all my options
>Get another fucking thinkpad (t14 gen 2) in the end
IT'S INESCAPABLE
AAAAA WHY ARE OTHER LAPTOPS SO SHITTY
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I bought this in 2022 and it has like 97-99% battery life after more than 460 charge cycles, 4-5 days ago it was showing 99% with ectool
Battery 0 info:
OEM name: LGC
Model number: L19L4PG2
Chemistry : LiP
Serial number: 0C25
Design capacity: 6624 mAh
Last full charge: 6491 mAh
Design output voltage 7700 mV
Cycle count 496
Present voltage 7458 mV
Present current -819 mA
Remaining capacity 1616 mAh
Desired voltage 8700 mV
Desired current 2607 mA
Flags 0x06 BATT_PRESENT DISCHARGING
This is a chromebook thinkpadchromebook i got for very cheap running CachyOS, and my god, I need another of these lenovoo yoga to read webtoon shit off of asuracomics somehow I managed to use it with 8gigs of ram (most of my machines or servers or prod stuff I do via ssh) but I am pushing this laptop hard and I need like 32gigs minimum
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>>107906671
The first question when upgrading is always:
Why do I need to upgrade?
If you cannot answer that honestly, simply don't upgrade.
>>107908097
>AAAAA WHY ARE OTHER LAPTOPS SO SHITTY
Because the majority of humans are incompetent which translates to the majority of products being shitty.
>>107908123
Tough luck with the memory bro.
Feels bad man.
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I got my thinkpad to do portable radio setups and digital modes. Everyone else uses these tiny boomer toughpads. Even if the laptop is waterproof, no radio is so it’s retarded imo. I’m happy with it. What can I do to make it more useful for the setup? I’m thinking getting like a PD charger so I can charge it off my DC battery if I needed to, but the battery life is already well beyond anything I planned on (like 8 hrs)
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>>107908097
>Sick of 45% NTSC color gamut!
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>>107910074
The Tx90 were Lenovo's unloved children.
>CPU
Same 8th gen CPUs as in the Tx80, though they dropped 7th gen.
If you're not in the EMEA (Europe, Middle East, Africa) area, you also have the option for a few 10th gen CPUs, but minus the 10710U they're pretty much just drop-in replacements for the 8th gen when those reached EoL.
>Battery
They cut the double battery on the Tx90 series, meaning no on-the-fly battery switching
>Everything else
stayed the same.
Get a T480, most people are unaware of these things which makes the T480 not only superior but also cheaper lmao.
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>portable radio setups and digital modes
Like an SDR?
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>>107889108
Don't fucking kid yourself, man. Ideapads have the worst screens known to man, I never thought there could be such an ocean of difference between two 45% NTSC panels, but my Ideapad has blown me away with how washed out and bleedy it is. It has like, one viewing angle, too.
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>>107910112
I appreciate it, but those're all 10x the price, barring the poopy DDR3 Yogas. Lenovo is just way behind on the OLED game, I'll probably just wait until the first wave of decent displays hits the 200-400 dollar range.
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trying to do 1vyrain on my T430 to remove wifi card whitelist
BIOS is 2.82, do I need to downgrade the BIOS or can I safely run it straight from here?
IVprep requires Win10 which I don't have and don't want to bother with reinstalling Arch etc...
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>>107910926
Cheaper to replace just the rear one with a 6-cell version than both with 3 cells each. It adds some weight and thickness but also makes space for better air flow.
I bought a generic eBay battery two years ago which has 58 Wh left now of 65 originally.
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If you're a cunt like me.. the lenovo aura edition ("yoga") clamshell just got passably working linux support. Someone figured out what microsoft modern standby ACPI method is used to turn the fans back on after suspend and sound is no longer fucked from 6.17.4 on Arch's 6.18.3 kernel or the 6.19 mainline kernel. Battery life is amazing with schedutil and TLP and easily beats AMD. Finally happy with a lenovo product after the T480. Ok ~Shill out
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>thinking about upgrading my x220 that I bought for 220 bucks in 2017 and is still my daily driver
>t14 gen 5 has ram slots again, and a 16:10 screen
>go to lenovo.com, try to order it
>they only accept visa, mastercard, google, apple, or paypal
>don't use any of this
>cancelled the order, and instead I bought some isopropyl and thermal paste for my x220
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>>107889108
Did they ever update the hinge design to not break if you so much as sneeze on it? My sister has a 10th gen i5 Ideapad 3 and I've JB welded it back together twice now. Somehow the screen didn't break both times the hinges did. Problem is the next path of least resistance is going to be the palmrest. Went through the same thing on my old HP Envy. I do like how easy it is to get the back off in comparison to a Thinkpad. I'll give it that.
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>>107914639
Hers does, but the problem is that the plastic that the brass inserts that the actual hinge screws into breaks. It pulls the brass inserts right out of the plastic, and they break apart. Really the only fix is a big glob of JB weld and a prayer. The quality on the top case (and the palmrest) is cheap as fuck. The whole palmrest flexes when you open and close the lid. This is one of the first videos I found when looking for a fix a few years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9628F0UHu_c
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>>107914537
>P14s
Only the Intel variant does, it's renamed China exclusive T14p that sacrifices replaceable keyboard for bigger battery and dGPU
>P1
Direct sucessor to X1 Extreme and that's usually where they put their newest gimmicks on (Tandem OLED, non-soldered USB-C ports).
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Is the T410 worth it? Looking for basic, modern web browsing, electron, word processing.
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>>107917035
Which new design? Our company bought nupads some months ago, T14 and P1, and they open to 180° like the older ones.
>>107917941
>electron
8 GB might be too little RAM depending on how many tabs you keep open and which electron apps you use. Might do better with something that can take more RAM like W510 or T420.
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How can I tweak T480 boot process so that it doesn't spend 8 seconds displaying the lenovo logo? Tried disabling just about everything in bios, updated bios and firmware and honestyly I think it's even worse than before (~5s). I did manage to shave off a good amount of time in other areas, getting plasma desktop loaded in 17s but almost half that is the red ugly lenovo rectangle. I'm running out of ideas. Currently using systemd-boot but anything goes really, it's a couple seconds faster than grub.
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>>107918669
>Which new design?
Bottom hinged laptops. Thinkpads should always be top-hinged like in the pic here >>107901093
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>>107871844
So are chinese batteries our only options anymore? My T480 doesnt swap seemlessly anymore after using chinese batteries, and one turned out to have only 78% capacity after only two months of use. Im gonna need a new battery for a Yoga 370, where are you guys getting decent replacement batteries?
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nude x200
yearly cleaning
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>just started a new IT job
>company was strictly Think, laptops, all in ones, minis, etc.
>new CEO steps into position mere months before I join
>manager explains on my first day that new CEO flipped out when he realized Lenovo was a China-based company
>demands all tech in buildings is to be immediately swapped to HP
>we have an entire room of lenovo stuff ready to be tossed at the drop of a hat
dang
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Looking for a used laptop for work, mostly excel, and I’ve settled on 2 options: the Thinkpad t490 and the elitebook 840 g6. Which one is the best value for money? My only requirements are a decent FHD screen and a sturdy build. The elitebook has an aluminum chassis which looks and feels nicer to use than the Thinkpad but from what I’ve read the Thinkpad has internal reinforcements. Also the elitebook has upgradable RAM while the t490 appears to be soldered depending on the version
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Trying to get the M.2 SSD to be recognized on a T480.
Went looking for official drivers and BIOS firmwares to see if that changes anything, and got nothing.
Am I being retarded? The drive isn't ded either since I got it recognized on my rig.
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>2TB 4x4 SSDs went up by around 50% in price this week in my cunt
Glad I bought one a few months ago, although not when it was at its lowest cost. The one I have went from about 200-220€ a week ago to 300-360€, depending on the store, this week. I was thinking about adding another one in my stinkpad but I think I'll just stick with this until 2030 or whenever the prices go down. Feels weird looking at newegg prices and for once not feel envious as fuck of you americans.
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>>107926993
T480 see >>107910119 why
>>107928658
Depends on what you need and want.
I prefer 15" or 16" when its 16:10, because they have the space for a lot of power and cooling but they also often have a numpad (a keyboard without a numpad is just a toy).
But if you're not willing to lug around all that extra weight, get a 14" or 13". The latter often have too many compromises because more often than not they're designed with college girls and businessmen in mind.
>>107924908
Never had plastic fade because of isoporpyl. Been using 99% forever.
>>107924824
Put it in rice or silica before you thaw it, the metals might have condensation on them and that's a big ass no-no.
>>107925507
I'll take it all off of your hands for free (no waste fee). Just ship it to Germany.
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>>107931134
Oh yeah forgot:
DON'T eat the rice if you actually use it to dry electronics.
If you use silica, use something like this: https://www.amazon.de/dp/B087T2GBPX
It changes color when it absorbs moisture and can be recharged when heated up.
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>>107887014
It's not a T-Series, but it isn't as bad as everyone here makes then out to be, better than L-Series for sure. I work in procurement and I've never had anyone bitch about an E-Series. I have people calling me bitch about the L-Series every hour.
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>nu-shitpads
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>>107887014
The E is really nice. Has a screen as good as the T, similar battery, and a chassis that's metal and feels way more premium (and better at keeping shit cool) than the T, even if carbon fiber is indestructible or whatever bullshit they push.
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>>107936510
Probably not. They are very different chassis. Had a T14 Gen 1 and got an E15 Gen 4 (purely superfluous upgrade just because it had the 57whr battery, the full keyboard and it was cheap). Internally the E series are more like the Ideapads than they are the rest of the Thinkpad line. Probably why it broke. Let be guess, the hinge?
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>>107936625
Surprisingly, it wasn't the hinge, it was actually the cheapo plastic around the keyboard, specifically the part to the side. It was all downhill from there, more and more keys stopped working more and more frequently until I'm at about 10 keys that are unusable 95% of the time. That's why I'm a little worried about the t14, actually, since it's all shitty plastic. The metal parts of the e14 seemed very durable. I'm also sorely missing the two m.2 slots, I'm starting to wonder if this was an upgrade at all. Why does the E series get all the good stuff if it's supposed to be the suckass entry level one? Is it a "cheap phones still get an SD card slot and headphone jack" type deal?
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>>107936687
I trust the plastic of the T series a lot more than the E. It seems the palmrests on these models aren't made as well as the others. I feel like the quality of the plastics is the catch. My old T480 kept trucking forever, and probably still is somewhere. When I got this laptop, it was missing a couple keys, and thankfully broken palmrests for the E models are plentiful, which probably doesn't bode well for this machine.
>Why does the E series get all the good stuff if it's supposed to be the suckass entry level one? Is it a "cheap phones still get an SD card slot and headphone jack" type deal?
No idea man. Probably something like that. That's why I run cheap phones that I can install Lineage on instead of getting a Pixel.
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Dropped my Gen 8 X1 yoga while it was charging and ruined both charging ports. Repair’s looking like ~1k for a new logic board + install, and I’m too dogshit at soldering to try to fix it without making it worse. It was already running a little slow for my liking, have to use win11 for uni :/ — should I just grab a t14 on eBay? Can’t seem to find a whole lot of value in used laptops around that price point.
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Does anyone know what the hell this is and/or what if anything I can do about it? Happening on a T400 when I connect an older HDD
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>>107937355
T14 are very durable, if dropping it's a problem. That being said, if you value the better screen/more premium feel and don't value replaceable memory (the fact that you said logic board makes me think probably so), the X1 carbon has greater durability than the yoga AND a much better screen than the T series. I'd do a minimum of gen 9, though, since they were putting DDR3 in them up through Gen 8. Gen 9 can be as low as 400 for 16gb models.
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My refurb X220 soldiered on for eight years, but it was time to retire it. I replaced it in my workshop with a refurb Thinkcentre M910S, and today I got a refurb T490S. Only thing left is to install Gahnoo+Loonix on it.
So here's the question. I've been using Debian XFCE since 2010 on everything (also Crunchbang for a while, but that was abandoned) with, except my gaming rig which is Arch. My X220 running Debian Stable didn't have so much as a bug, let alone a crash in the eight years I've used an abused it, all the while never having a reinstall or anything.
Is Debian Stable still the go-to distro, or is unc and oldhead using a grandpa distro, and the cool kids today are using some esoteric schizo loonix I've never heard of?
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>bought p53 with rtx3000 cause memepad
>stock panel is 4k ips, b156han04.2 to be exact
>nice colors, but at max brightness it bleeds green freckles
>blindly bought NE156QHM-NY5 cause 165hz+vrr is more important for me than 4k memes
>chinese_scam.jpg
>panel is actually NE156QHM-NY2
>no vrr
>slightly worse colors but idgaf, whatever
>screen doesn't work in bios, enables on login screen
>but in 40hz
>oh wait, it does work in bios
>but bye-bye igpu
>on top of that, cru sucks dick and won't change resolution
at least it works
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>>107936687
>Try clicking around
>Only the bottom 1/4th of the trackpad is clickcable
Oh my god. It's worse than the E in ways I didn't even expect. Why would they give it the clickable area of something with buttons if they gave it a trackpad without buttons? Between this and the single SSD slot, I may legitimately return this thing.
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>>107937355
Pretty sure a bad fall that killed the ports by twisting inserted cable would equally kill any series.
>Gen 8 X1 yoga
>Intel 13th, up to 64GB LPDDR5X
>a little slow
No fucking way you woud be getting a whole laptop with better than 13th gen performance for a 1000, especially if you want good screen quality.
You might find a used motherboard for ~700-800 and replace it yourself though.
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Nope, never had to use a password either last I was using this HDD was before covid it was from my first laptop that I ended up accidentally killing and I was trying to revive it few years after that and something went wrong during the OS install and the HDD just didn't work right since and it laid in my drawer till today thought I'd try my luck getting it back again but I guess not
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yes it works fine with any other hdd it's this particular hdd that's the problem i tried it with a different laptop and with a ps3 and with a sata to usb thingamabob and even when i somehow manage to get through to a windows setup it just gives out errors guess it's e-waste now but thought I'd ask around first before I dispose of it
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Isn't that just the windows setup bug where their retarded partitioner just barfs if the drive has a partition table it doesn't understand? I remember hitting that constantly because a bunch of machines I was setting up had previously been used for non-windows things and they all had random wiped drives.
Boot from linux live usb and use gparted to make anything. Once there's a valid partition table windows setup will usually stop bugging out.
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I bought a replacement to my t420s. It was $190.
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Ignore this, I didn't notice you said gen 5. The difference in CPUs is only for gen 6.
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can someone recommend a refurbished laptop I can do basic CS student stuff and light unity/unreal/godot or maya/houdini work in? if it's really serious I'll just remote my home desktop and do the hard work there, so I don't need like a 10 lbs laptop, but I need to upgrade from my worthless lenovo ideapad 17" because it's useless.
I've tried the thinkpad t14s gen 1 and the p14s gen 4 and I like them both a lot. My budget isn't super high but that's why I want something refurbished. I sort of looked at used X1 Extreme Gen 3 but it's hard to make up my mind.
tl;dr
cs student
light game dev
I have a strong home pc and I'm comfortable remote accessing it to do serious work
I have to walk to class and back 5 times a day which can be anywhere from 2-7 miles of walking
budget isn't very big but 150-450 usd unless it's really truly worth the upgrade
upgrading from a ideapad 3
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I am tentatively looking at this one. Unless someone can find a better deal then this is probably my choice. I'm going to go to bed and check the thread in the morning so hopefully I've given enough info here to wake up to some solid advice.
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>>107947108
>that pic
What kind of life leads one be that obsessive about transness, thinkpads and arch?
baka desu senpai
>150-450 usd
can the x1 extreme gen 3s really be found where you live for that price? That seems like a great deal imo assuming they all come with that gtx 1650 ti
>>107947155
The p15 gen 1 cpus are kind of known for running hot. You can't undervolt it either. Changing cfg_lock and overclocking_lock using a tool like ru doesn't work either because it's write locked so you would most likely have to flash the bios. Changing the thermal paste to honeywell ptm7950 or the equivalent thermal grizzly stuff can help a bit. Don't fall for the liquid metal meme, especially not in a laptop.
AFAIK the gen 1 has the same GPUs as the p53 so you could also consider grabbing a p53 if it can be found for even cheaper. From what I've read you can undervolt the p53 easily as well.
Note: I don't actually own a gen 1 so I couldn't tell you what they're actually like to use. I haven't noticed my gen 2 struggling with any thermal throttling, though I'm probably not stressing it to its limits other than when compiling.
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How do I setup function keys to work on "Windows mode(atleast that's what it's called on Keychron keyboards)" on my T480?
It's like a Mac by default and turning "sticky function key or something on bios" doesn't turn it on Intia I press FN again.
Do I have to do it some hacky way on Linux?
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Taking out old screen to check connections before I buy new one, a screw was stuck so had to drill it and I broke the fucking ribbon. Fan fukin tastic. No Biggie but just an extra pain in my arsehole.
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I have x230 for the last 9 years
recently I've received t14 gen 4 from the job
why the fuck is it even called thinkpad?
it feels like cheap acer, and I'm sure I wouldn't be able to smash someone's head with it without harming the laptop
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>>107947108
P15 is quite chunky. I'd seriously recommend you just get a used T14G1/G2 with a good battery instead.
I had to lug around my P50 to classes and I'd surely appreciate, if my main Laptop were a few pounds lighter.
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>>107945336
I ordered a 16gb 3200 sodimm before this even arrived. I paid $70
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Is the T580 guaranteed to come with an IPS display? I've recently been looking at T580's instead of T480's because they (unlike the T480) always come with an IPS panel as far as the listings go. This would be amazing for somebody like me who does NOT want to go through the excruciating process of replacing the display assembly.
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>Take it to like 3 repair shops to get it out professionally
>None of them can get it out, last one strips the screw to shit attempting to
>Dejectedly take laptop home
>Try to close it back up
>Chassis won't fucking snap back together right
I can't fucking take this level of stress lenovo holy shit how is your budget option so much better than this piece of shit
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my t440p doesn't detect it is charging however it will charge the battery when plugged in and the laptop is on. Why would it do this? Its not that big of a problem but where I don't use this laptop much anymore the battery died and I couldn't the laptop to start due to critical battery level I had to start it up without the battery and go into the bios then plug the battery back in that actually allowed it to charge
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I have a corebooted T430 with modded 7-row keyboard, and use it as daily driver for almost a decade. There are a few stuff i do not like on the T430 that I think are granted on the T420:
>7mm-tall only hard drive slot (T420 can holdboth 7mm and 9mm);
>the need to mod a T420 keyboard to make it usable (on T420, just werks);
>the noisier fan, with only two manufacturer options (T420 has quiter fans from more manufacturers and a double-pipe heatsink model)
>cheaper quality (T420 is more durable and lighter (or I was told so))
The only advantages of a T430 compared to a T420 are the Ivy Bridge (3rd gen) CPU (vs Sandy Bridge/2nd gen of a T420) and the USB3 ports.
I do not care about the USB3 port, for i have a port replicator dock.
Is it worth to buy a T420 and coreboot so i can put my T430's IvyBridge CPU on it (i was told that was possible due to same socket)?
(it's a i7-3612QM btw)
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Does anyone know how to properly configure touchpad scrolling in windows 10?
I'm using a x270, and the touchpad experience suck dick in this OS
I can’t change the OS due to work, and my synaptics control panel doesn’t even have any scrolling related options
Windows 10 scrolling settings only change the trackpad scrolling speed, not the touchpad one
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So I stopped and imediately started it again at 100% battery and it jumped to step 2 (discharging) and the system gracefully shut down when it dropped to zero. What the fuck else did it expect to happen?
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>>107948536
I can also find P14s gen 2 for ~400 usd which is what I think I'll go for. I'm already carrying around a checked out uni p14s every day and it's very lightweight.
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>What kind of life leads one be that obsessive about transness, thinkpads and arch?
it's funny
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>>107949845
Check the service manual. Torque specs for nvme screws are 90ft-lbs.
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>>107951404
Look at the T580 psref. It will tell you what the available displays are. If you want to check a specific one, go do the Lenovo serial number lookup and see what display it was originally configured with.
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>>107952804
t14 gen 2 i5 16gb 3200mhz no ssd no os
The ssds they come with are 256gb, just put a gen 4 1tb in it. Then install mint, debian, arch, or windows 10 ltsc. Optional: put another 16gb of 3200mhz sodimm to run dual channel and test the battery to see if you need a new one
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>>107951328
Some people swear on KingSener. I haven't tried it yet.
Depending on your country there could still be old-stock or lightly used original batteries for sale. Almost always a better option than third-party. Posting this running off my LGC 45N1738 bought new from a small repair shop in 2024.
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Replaced the dead cooling fan on my x230. Also put new paste since I had to remove the heatsink but the old once was pretty mint.
Average temps now are around 50-60 °C when watching anime, plus 10 or so browser tabs open, plus discord on a second monitor... Normal usage I guess.
To anyone else with an x230, what are you average temps when doing this sort of stuff? This one was stored before I picked it up and noticed the dead fan so I don't remember how hot it ran previously.
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>old shitty laptops
I'm running it on this x230, does that fit the bill?
But really, the main thing is linux, no matter the distro. Any one of them will be vastly superior to wangblows in terms of performance, specially on old hardware (with some distros you can even actually use a HDD and not want to kill yourself).
Arch (btw) is great, but if you're scared of white letters on black background you might be put off by the install process, even with the archinstall script. Endeavour is arch but with GUI install. The other anon suggested debian which is fine too. Most distros have a live environment you can try out before actually installing the thing (keep in mind load times will be longer since you'll be booting off of a pen drive, but if your old laptop is new enough to have USB 3 it might still be faster than wangblows). Try it out and see if you like.
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So I finally fell for the Thinkpad meme, got a Thinkpad T480 i7 edition. I think it has 8GB ram and 256 GB storage and built in Nvidia MX150 card.
>How far can I upgrade
>What games will run without shitting
>Optional: Can I run local LLM models in this graphics card
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>>107956135
Also
- low power FHD screen for batterymaxxing (easiest if stock screen is HD or FHD non-touch)
- not a physical upgrade but undervolting the CPU helps with battery and fan noise
>>Optional: Can I run local LLM models in this graphics card
Lol no. Maybe tiny models used as expensive autocomplete at the very most. You need 8+ GB VRAM if you want to run models that show any signs of understanding what you say to them.
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>upgrade to 32-64gb,
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Looking for a Thinkpad that is:
>netbook with at least two USB-A ports
>durable enough to survive being carried in a backpack and crammed under an airline seat
>USB-C charging so I don't have to carry a power brick
>not running anything more strenuous than 1080p anime
>will Loonix if it's inescapably bloated but was planning to install W10 LTSC
>budget of 800 USD
I haven't bought a laptop in ten years so I have no idea if I'm asking for the impossible.
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>>107957364
X13 is the closest to a netbook in the current lineup. It meets most of your needs, except the keyboard will scratch the screen if you shove it in a full backpack. Just get the newest that you can afford. Gen 2 and later should last for years if you get one with enough (fully soldered) memory.
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T14 Gen 2. Very durable, has two USB-A ports, the Intel model has 2 USB-C ports (one thunderbolt) so you can use that for storage while you're charging, and the processor is more than capable of the anime.
If you want EXTREMELY rugged, do a Yoga 11e Gen 6. Those fuckers can survive nuclear bombs. Which is why a lot of them are in rough shape, they're primarily used in rough environments (schools, etc.), but I love mine and it meets all your requirements.
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>>107955602
I have the exact same T480 model. what I did to it:
>64GB RAM upgrade
>glass trackpad
>1TB NVMe SSD
>keyboard swap (it came with a non-backlit one)
>wlan upgrade to wifi 6E (Intel AX210)
>screen upgrade (I got the N140HCG-GN1 panel, 400 nits 1500:1 contrast and low powerà
>72Wh external battery
I also have an A495 (basically same model but AMD) that went through the same upgrade, except 32GB RAM and 512 SSD. very comfy machines, both of them
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>>107960137
Why not just buy a newer T series?
You probably put over a grand into these 7yo machines.
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because I wanted those in particular. if I want a newer machine I have another laptop and my desktop
>You probably put over a grand
a bit less I think. the machines themselves cost me 170€ (A485) and 185€ (T480). screen panels were about 65€ each on aliexpress, 40 each for the trackpads, 10 for each wifi cards, about 30 per battery, SSDs I already had laying around, the 64GB RAM kit cost me 200€, the A485's 32GB kit I had bought months before for my other laptop but it didn't work well with it, keyboards were about 30 each
that puts me at almost exactly a grand if you count the 32GB kit, 900 if not since I technically already had it. and idk man, I just wanted an everyday comfy machine I could mod, have had them for a while now and I'm still happy with them, I use them a lot
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>>107873832
>I reckon the T61 must be frowned upon
No, T61 is the definitive frankenpad base.
Preassembled T61 motherboard + 1600x1200 IPS LED panel in a T60 15" case used to cost a fuckload of money on ebay (mostly because the screen was not designed for laptops and had inverted pin order requiring custom soldered adaptor cable)
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>tried Latitude 3410 out of curiosity
>the absolute shittiest keyboard I've ever typed on
>far worse than Latitude 3300
>far worse than any Ideapad I've ever used
man If nobody told me this was Latitude I'd think this is an entry level inspiron. shit typing feedback, awful flex, almost non existent key travel. Even 3300 was actually decent enough to type on.
Good thing this only costed me 95 bucks, time to get rid of this junk for 120 bucks. Surely some dummies out there would eat 10th gen i5 for 120 bucks, lol
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>>107961796
It's actually better, and so is the E14 (Gen 3, at least). Don't listen to what the people here tell you, the T14 Gen 2 is a piece of dogshit.
>Only one drive slot (E14 has two M.2, L14 has a 2.5 inch SATA and M.2)
>T14 has a cheapo plastic chassis
>T14's SSD is effectively unremovable
>T14's slightly larger battery is negated by larger replacement battery options for both other models
>one fucking storage slot
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>>107962021
The i5-1145G7 you'd get in a T14 is only 4% more powerful than the i5-1135G7 you'd get in a L14 (which also comes in a 1145G7 variant, so it's totally moot) or an E14. The processors of the T series are now almost exactly equal to the ones in the non. The story is similar if not worse on the AMD side, the Ryzens in all the models are typically the same, with the "pro" ones being more performant by an even slimmer margin than the Intels. Ryzen 5 5600U and Ryzen 5 PRO 5650U have essentially identical performance, for example, with the "worse" non-pro one occasionally beating it the pro in some metrics.
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>>107961988
>L14 has a 2.5 inch SATA and M.2
This is true only for some Intel units. Others, and all AMD units, come with no SATA connector and the space where a SATA drive would sit is filled with plastic.
>T14's slightly larger battery is negated by larger replacement battery options for both other models
Only E14 has larger options, with L14 you're stuck with 45 Wh
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>>107952983
is the integrated gpu in these things good enough for barebones unity/unreal/maya work? It doesn't have to be good but I do actually need a small dedicated gpu
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>>107878396
kek, i'll try to explain.
gaming laptops are abominations -> trying to be like desktops where mobility is the key, packing something fast and hot into consumer grade(shit) package that is not really meant to move around and troublesome to coold down.
You'll end up with bulky machine with heating issues made of shit plastic, with shit hinges.
thinkpads(any other business laptops) are used by corpos for their slaves, they have mass contracts they don't want loose to competition, another thing is 3-4 year cycle they have to endure.
they are made with mobility in mind, better materials to last at least 3-4 years without service and if service is needed -> easier to dismantle and fix onsite.
If you want to play games -> buy desktop, if you want cheap sturdy companion you can fix yourself -> buy thinkpad (elitebook, lattitude)
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>>107961988
>T14 has a cheapo plastic chassis
>PPS / 50% GF (top), PC-ABS / Talc15 + magnesium alloy (keyboard cover), PA / 50% GF (bottom)
Meanwhile L14 and E14
>Aluminium (top), aluminium (bottom)
lol
>PC-ABS (top), PC-ABS (bottom)
lmao
Way to out yourself as a normalfag chasing looks over durability.
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I got a T480 with touch and it has this blue tone on the screen and looks quite washed out. Are there any recommendations for cheap but brilliant (non-touch) screens?
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>>107963988
No you don't understand this moron will sleep on top of it or drop it or drop something on it and use it with her dirty hands and in less than a week it'll be covered in makeup and cheeto dust and every ventilation port full of cat hair
I need a tank
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Tiffany?
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I feel like I'm unironically going to have to explain to these poor Appalachians how to remove malware from their devices today.
p.s my sister has standards and don't fuck FAS mutants or hispanics or bankers
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>>107962576
I suck the nipple.
>>107963998
She better suck your nipple to be that much of a retard and still have you.
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>>107962254
>arch is open sours gueiz fuck da system arch btw sysd btw
>google pixel used to make this picture
It's hilarious to see, you should just get an Apple phone at this point, hypocrite. Enjoy your pills, pillhead.
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travel here for a surprise
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>>107965234
it's a staged photo anon we setup the laptops and lights and then take the pic and take it all down afterwards. it's for fun.
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>>107878396
What makes you think performance is a metric?