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Users of all levels are welcome to ask questions about GNU/Linux and share their experiences.
*** Please be civil, notice the "Friendly" in every Friendly GNU/Linux Thread ***
Check the Wikis (most troubleshoots work for all distros):
https://wiki.archlinux.org
https://wiki.gentoo.org
https://wiki.alpinelinux.org
https://wiki.debian.org
>Which distro should I choose?
https://gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
https://nosystemd.org
https://distrowatch.com
>What are some cool programs?
https://suckless.org
https://harmful.cat-v.org/software
>What are some cool terminal commands?
https://commandlinefu.com
>Where can I learn the command line?
https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide
>Where can I learn more about Free Software?
https://fsf.org
>How to break out of the botnet?
https://privacytools.io/os
https://prism-break.org/en/categories/gnu-linux
https://privacyguides.org/en/desktop
>Linux subreddits
https://reddit.com/r/linux
https://reddit.com/r/linuxquestions
https://reddit.com/r/linuxmemes
https://reddit.com/r/linux_gaming
https://reddit.com/r/suckless
>GNU/Linux alternatives
https://netbsd.org
https://openbsd.org
https://dragonflybsd.org
https://freebsd.org
GNU/Linux Games: >>>/vg/lgg
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Distro subreddits are borderline unusable.
>finally escaped windows!!
>look at my desktop!! bye windows!!
>day 1 on distro!! no more windows!!
The same garbage on every fucking Distro subreddit when I'm just trying to look for technical discussion.
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>install debian
>nvme boot drive cooking under gpu; no fan control for 9070 xt
>locate LACT
>update kernel since stock 6.12 isn’t supported
>sense mouse lag under any graphically intensive task starting with firefox
>write .sh and .service trying to force power_dpm to performance; doesn’t read
>set clocks to high on LACT; resolved
>test AI Limit on steam
>ok so far except for dips with high particle effects
that’s about my journey so far with this thing and right now i can’t tell whether i’m still missing a few extra steps like more updates or my nvme’s just thermal throttling since i don’t encounter these drops on windows. u think it’d be better trying something more current like fedora or see if some extra ventilation like bottom fans would be worth exploring
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I'd argue that the second one is the most valid.
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>Debian's logo is red
>Debian's default wallpapers have always been blue
What did they mean by this?
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>>108037958
how do i share the internet over a single nic?
in ubuntu lts 22.04 if i enable the wi-fi hotspot as a bug or a feature it also enables the internet sharing through the ethernet port, but ubuntu freezes on my laptop every 2-3 hours for some reason. I nuked it and decided to install fedora. it doesn't freeze, but the wi-fi hotspot trick doesn't work on fedora.
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>>108038220
Flathub, the maintainers themselves recommend against the any repos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpuwIo2y4a4
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>>108035788
>What's your technical case for zfs?
I wasn't really making a case for ZFS. My point was that there is nothing that makes Btrfs better than ZFS specifically on a single drive.
>I know it's got really bad fragmentation problems
You're probably talking of edge cases like torrenting directly onto a spinning disk pool without setting appropriate block size on the dataset. Honestly, there's not too many caveats like that and unless you're the kind of guy who wants to kill himself everytime the package manager takes 10 extra seconds to do its thing, then I think it's likely you won't even notice anything.
>it's out of tree. Don't say muh enterprise. Muh enterprise is running RHEL kernels.
What are you even trying to say? RHEL kernels support neither ZFS nor Btrfs. Doesn't mean you can't use them. In fact, RHEL is one of the more reliable distros to use with ZFS, since due to its semi-stable kABI and due to OpenZFS themselves building precompiled modules for it. Alma also recently started supporting Btrfs.
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>>108035806
>There's way too many newfags looking to "switch to linux" today, and all of them asking the same questions. What happened? Did some jewtuber make another video on linux? Can't newfags read the thread?
I think that's exactly what happens. Toober shits out a video, kiddies come running scared with a sudden overwhelming need for "privacy" and "security" and "productivity", asking what distro/browser(extensions)/VPN they need to install so they can satisfy that sudden urge and feel good and safe again. Luckily, they're fairly easy to spot and ignore.
>>108038058
Similarly to above, some kid installs distro, makes a post saying "Whoa! I actually like it!!" and gets infinitely jerked off by the community, which in turn causes more posts of this nature to come into existence. You just gotta dig deeper to avoid this shit.
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Ga(y)ming question related:
I'm trying to launch the CODEX crack of Code Vein in Lutris, but there's no way to make it work. On GE-Proton it launches, but sits still at 0% CPU, and on Wine-ge-8-26 it just crashes.
I've read online that "for some reason" CODEX cracks don't always work on linux, but I nobody says why.
I've tried to override denuvo and steam_api dll, force windowed mode, 60 fps cap...
Does anyone know what's going on?
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>>108038564
It obviously depends on what you care about and how much it matters to you.
If you really hate it being out of tree and can't stand the idea of losing any raw performance, then sure - ZFS is not for you.
To someone else, it might be the one true endgame filesystem despite its caveats.
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>>108038000
When you realise that Cinnamon is just a really bad fork of GNOME then it all starts to make sense. They don't have the man power to build their own Wayland composite and barely have any idea what they're doing. Since their fork is always based on some random ancient version of Mutter it is always going to be experimental.
Mutter recently stabilised VRR support. Does it work in Cinnamon's Wayland session? Well, probably not unless they've rebased it again anytime soon. Ditto for HDR, etc. Mint is always going to be playing catch-up with GNOME. They don't know how to do actual compositor development themselves.
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OK thought I'd ask here.
Need to install some Linux distro for my parents because I'm not inflicting windows 11 on them.
Years ago I got mum using mint for a while so it won't be that scary for her.
But I need something pretty bombproof and suitable for newbs that I won't have to micromanage. I get enough calls to sort the printer out or scan documents as it is so I need something with long term stable support I can just set and forget.
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On gnome whenever I press a media key my pointer starts loading for some reason. Why does this happen? It's kinda annoying.
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>>108039062
Why do you care about "support" if the goal is to "set and forget"? Automatic updates will fuck things up sooner or later, and if you have them disabled then it doesn't matter what kind of support you have. Just have them run through all the common tasks.
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>>108039062
Welcome! Mint is horrible nowadays. I don't even know where to start:
>People keep getting GNOMEd, ie Mint keeps installing GNOME on people's computers because at some point Mint started automatically installing packages' optional dependencies
>The UX is still fragmented
You still can't install updates (aka manage software) using the so-called Software Manager, which merely installs software; you have to go through a separate updating app
>Pressing update in the updater app still does not bring your computer up-to-date
Once the next point release comes out, you still need to manually change your sources to the next point release. There's countless people who simply don't know to do this and have been stuck on ancient versions of Mint for years
>You still need to manually change your apt sources
Mint by default does not choose the fastest mirrors based on your connection (something every normal distro has done for years), so unless you know to do this, you'll be downloading Mint's Frankenstein repo from mixed UK and US mirrors
TuxedoOS is Windoslike and just werks. I wouldn't recommend it to most people but I'd recommend it to your parents as it's basically just a de-snapped Kubuntu LTS.
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>>108039249
>Aurora or Bluefin
Immutable distros ARE micromanaging. Do you want his mum to have to tinker with Flatpak permissions just so she can open her documents?
>ZorinOS
Why put up with this bloat when you can just install any Plasma distro?
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>>108039264
He's the one setting up their distro. It takes 10 seconds to permanently enable all flaptak permissions globally if you think that's an issue.
>Immutable distros ARE micromanaging.
Sure thing buddy, his parent's are TOTALLY micromanaging their phones all the time.
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>>108039283
>He's the one setting up their distro
>enable all flaptak permissions globally
Then what the fuck is the point of immutability if you're not even leveraging the security model of Flatpaks? Just use any normal fucking distro and that way you won't use up half your RAM and disk on the various runtimes and libraries.
>his parent's are TOTALLY micromanaging their phones all the time
His parents' phones aren't desktop computers with desktop use cases.
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>>108039300
Immutability has nothing to do with flatpaks and these distros aren't even immutable.
>Just use any normal fucking distro
They provably don't work for normies and they require much more micromanaging.
>His parents' phones aren't desktop computers with desktop use cases.
"Desktop use cases" for normies are generally the same as smartphone use cases. This isn't even a good argument because you have no idea what their desktop use case is aside from printing and scanning which itself can be done on a phone. Also, what can't be done on these distros that could be done on your preferred distro?
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>>108039318
>these distros aren't even immutable
Oh fuck off you prick. "HURR AKSHULLLY THEY'RE ATOMIC NOT IMMUTABLE". Fuck off. Do they work as well as a normal fucking OS? No? Then I'll call them shit; you can call them atomic if you wish.
>They provably don't work for normies and they require much more micromanaging
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>"Desktop use cases" for normies are generally the same as smartphone use cases
Except Anon already said his mother actually needs to work with files. Who uses office suites on phones? And more importantly, his mother's computer most likely doesn't have 32+GB of RAM.
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>She should be able to handle simple updates I just need something I won't have to swap out for a while.
>She mostly uses firefox and whatever opens word/excel/pdf documents.
should have back linked this to my first post
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>>108039342
>Do they work as well as a normal fucking OS? No?
You're right, they work better.
>Anon already said his mother actually needs to work with files.
Then any distro will work. These are just the best for normies.
>Who uses office suites on phones?
They're usable and are commonly used on phones and phone operating systems. Even the office suites which aren't pre-installed on mobile phones have hundreds of millions of downloads collectively across iOS and Android.
>RAM
Any distro works fine with 4-8GB RAM, even the three I mentioned.
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Linux distros are unusable without Flatpak, anon. The Linux desktop is a complete shitshow and has been until Flatpaks became good at the start of this decade. I'm sorry but your elitism and arbitrary purity tests mean nothing to me. """native""" package management is a failed experiment for desktops. Flatpak and the "immutable" distros have solved the issue of Linux being shit for normies.
You sound completely out of touch with normies and how they use tech.
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>>108039385
>You're right, they work better.
How is it better to use more RAM and disk? How is it better for applications to take longer to launch? How is it better than Anon HAS to tinker with his parent's computers before he can hand it off to them?
>Linux distros are unusable without Flatpak, anon
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What the fuck are you talking about?
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>>108039062
>Need to install some Linux distro for my parents because I'm not inflicting windows 11 on them.
if you truly want retard-proof: mac mini m4 is what, $450? and will soon drop even lower once m5 releases. tiny, silent, very power efficient, very powerful for normie usage. it's the best "stop bothering me" option, as long as you're fine with low storage
failing that, just about any popular distro as long as it's KDE. it probably won't survive more than ~2 years in the hands of a retard tho
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>>108039395
>How is it better to use more RAM and disk? How is it better for applications to take longer to launch?
This is irrelevant unless you're using a PC from 2005. Way to out yourself as a poorfag. We've already established that a 4GB device would be fine for these distros. Anon said he prefers ease of use over resource efficiency anyway.
>How is it better than Anon HAS to tinker with his parent's computers before he can hand it off to them?
He's already installing an OS. That's already "tinkering". Flicking a checkbox is not tinkering, it's just changing a preference. By your standards there's no OS in the world that doesn't require "tinkering".
>>108039399
This is false and you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>108039412
There's no point of arguing with >>108039395 when he's just shitposting and has never provided a real argument against Aurora/Bluefin outside of irrelevant mumbling about permissions (which exist on every OS and can be disabled) and some irrelevant difference in install sizes.
Sometimes I forget half of /fglt/ is completely out of touch with real people and real users and is just using thinkpads from 2005 where every MB of memory and storage matters. In reality no normal person would give a fuck about these "issues" he has listed nor would they prefer to use Fedora, Debian or Mint over Bluefin.
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Alright let's see how good Aurora is for normies:
>go on the website
>literally the first thing it tells me is to develop an app
>scroll down
>first screenshot has a fucking terminal on the taskbar
>caption of the screenshot: "Develop faster than ever before."
>scroll down further
>it gives an essay about cloud-native homebrew Podman Docker container code AI developer tools workflows
Oh wow, this devfaggot distro is the perfect operating system for my boomer parents!
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>>108039506
>a normie will go out of their way to install an operating system
yep, proven >>108039473 correct
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>a sane person will go out of their way to throw their parents into pic related
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>>108039506
This Universal Blue shilling is literally the modern day version of insisting noobs install Arch
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>>108039530
>a sane person thinks this matters
>still basing his opinions of an OS without ever using it
>still basing his opinions on normie usage without interacting with normies
You see, unlike you I have at least used distributions and desktops I'm talking about and I interact with people outside of /fglt/.
>>108039534
If that were true it wouldn't still be the most used DE. I don't like it either compared to KDE but most people don't really care. Normal people aren't distro or DE fanatics.
You've again failed to list any actual issues so I accept your defeat anons. Have fun tinkering with your dysfunctional distros.
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>>108039476
tasksel concerns the installation process itself. It's an anomaly if you installed Debian as per the conventional installation prompts and have complications like this desu. Debian 13 generally 'just werks'.
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Any of you use RClone? I'm struggling to find a way to use this tool in a way that fits my mental model of how to manage my files. I have a kinda set in stone directory structure for all my files. Media i only read 99% of the tame is backed up somewhere else, the main use case i have for this tool is having an always sync copy of data that i still have to update and reference more often, i'll give you an example. This is roughly how i sort my documents../
./Books
./Important Files -> accounting, invoices, taxes and shit
./Notes
./Off Topic -> this mostly contains SingleFileZ snapshots of random internet articles or shit like aws-cli or tmux cheatsheets, i want to note down the relevant bits then get rid of this over time
./Text Dump -> lots of raw text i have copypasted over the years before i decide to start noting down shit
I also make a couple of edits so i made this directory structure to work with them./
./current -> Basically a temporal directory acting as root for whatever i may be doing
./reverse_search -> duh
./edit_qq -> mostly has pictures i want to edit, remove watermarks, trim, sometimes there're videos
./references -> i'm practicing handdrawing as hobby
./convert_qq -> 90% of the time i have videos here
./archive_later -> what i amn't working with anymore but dunno where to place yet, usually stays empty but is useful enough to keep around
I read about RClone and considered using a Gdrive account to keep sync of ONLY a couple of these directories, excluding the rest. Let's say, ./Notes and ./reverse_search. But i'm struggling to understand how to use this tool for my use case. It NEEDS to be Gdrive cause i want a sync option as normie friendly as possible so i can use it on any locked down corporate PC/Chromebook (specially the "Notes" i even got permission to install this shit so i can edit actual text files inside Gdrive https://workspace.google.com/marketplace/app/text_editor_for_drive/101 4087004651).
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>>108039621
well hell i haven’t touched linux in 6 years so idk what the deal is with my card. could be debian’s too old too? though it happens here also: https://forum.level1techs.com/t/new-rx-9070-xt-causes-drunk-mouse-curs or-might-be-pcie-5-problem/240476/4
in any case im just wondering now why i stutter in spots that play out smoothly on windows
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>>108039760
most distros have websites which target OEMs or developers because an average user doesn't actively visit these websites at all. the first thing you see on the ubuntu website is "Gartner® Predicts 2026 Report: AI Sovereignty" and the fact it's an enterprise distro. yet it is still the most popular distro.
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>>108039062
Ubuntu with Ubuntu Pro (free on 5 computers)
If they don't like GNOME then just install another DE from the repos and set it up to boot into that DE
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>>108039851
>As of late? I doubt that.
why? because the steam gamers say so? corporations and institutions move slower than gamers. and all the pre-built computers and laptops I've seen in shops come with ubuntu (assuming they come with linux instead of windows)
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>>108039851
Not him, but I would say in sheer numbers of users (especially considering professional and server contexts), almost certainly. For home desktop tinkerer enthusiasts, perhaps it is more debatable. Canonical do a lot for business and professional support, because a lot of such places rely on their products (such as Ubuntu and Ubuntu-like bespoke builds).
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>>108039873
>use case?
Normally Canonical only assure security updates for everything in the main repo, not in universe. Pro extends that to universe as well.
>Why not just flash Kubuntu from the start? Or use a Kubuntu-based distro without snaps?
You could try that but I don't know if Ubuntu Pro will work that way. It might well do, I dunno. Also I don't think normies will care about snaps. As long as a program opens and runs, they won't care.
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>>108038282sudo sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
nmcli connection add con-name Hotspot autoconnect no ifname wlp2s0 type wifi \
connection.zone trusted 802-11-wireless.mode ap 802-11-wireless.ssid my-AP \
802-11-wireless-security.key-mgmt wpa-psk 802-11-wireless-security.proto rsn \
802-11-wireless-security.pairwise ccmp 802-11-wireless-security.psk 12345678 \
ipv4.method shared ipv6.method ignore
nmcli connection up Hotspot
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>>108039884
>corporations and institutions move slower than gamers
Corporations and institutions aren't desktop end-users whereas gamers are.
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>Pro extends that to universe as well
Sounds like snake oil to me
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>>108039915
He's not modifying a Flatpak application. He said he installed Windows applications inside Bottles (a GUI for Wine prefixes). His applications are installed in ~/.var/app/com.usebottles.bottles/data/bottles/bottles/bottle-name/. This folder is for user data of that specific Flatpak. There's a difference between an "application" folder and "application data" folder.
What he's saying is that he created either menu shortcuts or launchers in the Bottles "library" section. These are just shortcuts for executing individual .exe files so that you don't have to use the file manager. And for some reason after updating Bottles these got lost/removed. These shortcuts are managed by Bottles.
So this sounds like an issue of data migration between the different versions of Bottles. This is not something related to Flatpak application directories being overridden since that's not where your Windows applications are installed.
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>Kubuntu
Shit advice considering it's notoriously the worst KDE experience to the point of many KDE devs themselves advising against using it.
>Kubuntu-based distro without snaps?
Almost nobody cares about snaps. To a normie snap vs apt vs flatpak vs appimage debate is irrelevant.
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>>108039999
>To a normie snap vs apt vs flatpak vs appimage debate is irrelevant.
Nice get, but people are leaving Windows in the first place because it is bloated, so we should be convincing people that Linux is lean.
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>>108039989
>Corporations and institutions aren't desktop end-users whereas gamers are.
gamers using steam are barely 6% of the total monthly active desktop users. most PC gamers don't even use steam. don't get me wrong it's a relevant statistic but it is extremely skewed. I just checked and according to it 25% of linux users are on steamOS, 9% on cachy, 6% on bazzite, and only 8% on ubuntu. there is no way more people use cachy than ubuntu and there is no way bazzite is almost as popular as ubuntu
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>>108040052
>people are leaving Windows in the first place because it is bloated
Even if 10 million users leave Windows for Linux, that's not even a single percent user loss for Windows.
>inb4 10 million is still a lot
It is, but that's a population offset Windows will recoup after a couple of months according to the current world population growth.
Also, most Windows machines are not being replaced with other operating systems because of "bloat". Nobody cares about bloat. Literally nobody aside for ultra minimalists which make up a total of 0.001% of PC users. The reason why some places are migrating from Windows is primarily the rising privacy concerns.
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Bazzite for gamers, Aurora for others.
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a friend of mine upgraded his GPU and offered me his 1yo RTX4070 very on the cheap. the 4000 series already uses the open source nvidia driver, right? How well does it work?
I currently have a RX5600XT and amdgpu+mesa works very well, last nvidia card I owned used the proprietary driver and I remember it sucking major ass
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>>108040518
Thanks, I hadn't kept an eye on desktop Linux in a while. I think I'm too much of a crusty old man to get used to an immutable distro so I guess I'll go with Fedora and KDE.
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>>108040436
>Aurora for others
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>>108040529
Fedora KDE is a great choice, you'll love it.
There's 5 minutes of setup compared to Ultramarine (which is a Fedora fork that comes with codecs + NVIDIA drivers), but you just paste this and you're done:sudo dnf update
sudo dnf install https://mirrors.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-$(rpm -E %fedora).noarch.rpm https://mirrors.rpmfusion.org/nonfr ee/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release -$(rpm -E %fedora).noarch.rpm
sudo dnf config-manager setopt fedora-cisco-openh264.enabled=1
sudo dnf update @core
sudo dnf install rpmfusion-\*-appstream-data
sudo dnf swap ffmpeg-free ffmpeg --allowerasing
sudo dnf update @multimedia --setopt="install_weak_deps=False" --exclude=PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin
And if you want the NVIDIA drivers, you can either install them by searching up NVIDIA in Discover, or run this:sudo dnf install akmod-nvidia
sudo dnf install xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-cuda
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>>108040595
Thanks, it's been a long time since I've used Fedora, the past few times I've installed anything it was an Ubuntu derivative with options for non-free codecs while installing from media. For the Nvidia driver install, is that the same whether or not you're on a newer card? I saw something about an open source kernel component to the drivers for Turing cards and newer but not the whole driver stack right?
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>>108040634
>For the Nvidia driver install, is that the same whether or not you're on a newer card?
Currentlyakmod-nvidiaships the 580 driver which supports Pascal and Maxwell cards, but the 590 driver will drop support for these older cards. Theakmod-nvidia-470xxpackage exists for Kepler cards (no Wayland support on these tho kek so you may as well use the default Nouveau driver) and aakmod-nvidia-580xxpackage will accommodate Maxwells and Pascals as soon as the 590 driver is added to RPMFusion.
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>>108040692
So nothing special has to be done for a Turing or newer card? Currently have a 3080, that may change once my tax refund processes and I wouldn't necessarily be against going to AMD if it would be worthwhile for better Linux compatibility.
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>>108040692
>no Wayland support on these
At least, the RPMFusion website doesn't make any mention of Wayland support. If you have a Kepler, try it out and see since Google suggests that the 470 driver supports Wayland.
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>So nothing special has to be done for a Turing or newer card?
Yeah you are completely covered byakmod-nvidia. Ultramarine needs an internet connection during the installation to set it up for you though.
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>>108037958
Another win for systemd
https://www.phoronix.com/news/LFS-Dropping-SysVinit
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I'm new to Linux and I've been doing a lot of research on various distros. Not because I need one in particular but just to understand what sets them all apart. It's fun to figure out and I've learned a lot of new terminology. As embarrassing as this is to say I didn't even know what Flatpak was until yesterday.
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>>108040993
No, because it's a proprietary binary blob that your distribution wants nothing to do with and only offers for convenience.
If you're talking about the built-in kernel drivers or nvidia-open then they may sign that. Things have definitely improved even though NVIDIA is still the prime example of "What not to do", they are slowly getting better.
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>>108040993
Also, yes, you may be able to build it yourself and sign it with YOUR keys but that's no good if you want a locked down system that only trusts your distro and has self-signed keys (i.e you want to make sure that your system can only ever use modules distributed by your distribution)
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What's the best way to sync my music library to my Walkman? Right now, I just remove the MicroSD and drag and drop folders, but as you can imagine, it's tedious, time-consuming, and it's easy to miss something.
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>>108040468
From my experience with a 2080, the performance kinda sucks (think 50% drop) and you get issues in certain games, but generally you have fewer issues all around.
I expect the first two points to be ironed out. Personally, I wouldn't use the propietary drivers anymore, but I'm also very stubborn.
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>>108041013
Check if you have appropriate codecs, if not file a bug report.
I too have noticed other firefox (and its forks) bugs, when I switch tabs sometimes there's flickering, this happens at least on two different machines running different distros, it doesn't happen on ESR though, pretty sure mozilla is fucking up firefox badly.
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updated cachy and now cinnamon looks like this pos, how do I change how it was previously?
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I'm sure Ubuntu ships with the appropriate codecs and working hardware acceleration, since it was working fine just a few updates ago.
I also checked on CachyOS and it was broken but I'm unsure whether codecs and hardware acceleration are working there.
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>Bill and Melinda Gates donated so much to AIDS research because they themselves have an STD Bill got from a Russian hooker on jeff’s island.
Lol Windows is officially an AIDS operating system.
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>>108041788
Check your DNS. Unless it uses something like Cloudflare that has Anycast then the CDN you hit will be dependent on whatever response your upstream resolver receives.
Best to add a local mirror manually if you want to be sure you're hitting a mirror closest to you.
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>>108041803
I don't think it does. Looks like it just returns a big set of IPs from multiple providers all over the world on a reverse dns lookup. I know Debian always goes through fastly. There wasn't a single mirror in the UK.
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>>108041895
Yes, from the looks of it it hits deb.rr.devuan.org CNAME which then rotates between each of them. That's exactly what you expect from a basic load-balanced DNS system.
You should add a local mirror yourself.
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>>108042207
>idiotproofed
They're for developers not for new users.
>literal outdated garbage
>le stable is bad meme
And you wonder why nobody likes you when you're always repeating the same FUD ad nauseam every thread.
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>>108042210
>meme
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>FUD
You got any more buzzwords in there
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>>108042275
Normies who are as dumb as this >>108042234
Linux is for programmers and hackers
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>>108041412
roll back to snapshot, you did use limine/btrfs didn't you?
You won't be able to upgrade or install packages until you're willing to update though so hopefully its a bug and they fix it soon lol, otherwise time to switch to kde
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>RHEL kernels support neither ZFS nor Btrfs.
Btrfs isnt baked in the rhel kernels like every other kernel?
>there is nothing that makes Btrfs better than ZFS specifically on a single drive.
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>>108042447
>Does anyone seriously like Gnome?
>seriously
not really. I just use niri for my laptop now.
>Why?
dconf, tweaks and like 5 extensions. Dont use it anymore, still got parents on it, less for them to fuck things up. Might move them to cosmic in 2 years or so when they fix shit.
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>Alpine
hope postmarketos gets more traction after google's android shit last year
>Nix/Guix
i like nix packages. Last time I tested guix it was really slow pulling updates, besides that it was great.
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firewalld was the issue. i disabled it and now everything works.
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>>108042709
It's just a dipshit /v/irgin who never even heard of Linux until /v/ started shilling gaymer distros like Cachy
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>>108042527
>Btrfs isnt baked in the rhel kernels
No. They don't want to support it. They don't want anything to do with zfs either, but it's the unofficially official OpenZFS Linux kernel anyway.
It's just a less good filesystem with a much greater propensity for regressions if you step outside the handful of kernels people actually use it with. There are some things only zfs can do, but if your use case is outside that just stay away and ignore idiots larping as oughties Solaris admins.
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>>108042917
Is this game linux native? And knowing the game has an exploit, why would run Steam as root? Both Steam and WINE/Proton run in user mode, a Windows game with an exploit won't be able to do anything in your system, at worst it will fuck up the Proton prefix.
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>Both Steam and WINE/Proton run in user mode, a Windows game with an exploit won't be able to do anything in your system, at worst it will fuck up the Proton prefix.
Is this really true?? I check everything I download just to be extra sure, but knowing this, maybe it was a waste of time-
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Anyone else here hyped for whatever gaben will slap on his steam machines as far as the desktop side of things goes?
The last major update for Steam OS was years ago. I doubt they're gonna do the whole Steam Machine project with all the effort that goes into that, without giving steam OS a nice overhaul? Especially since the marketing is highlighting that steamboxes are gonna be fully fledged desktop PCs. and there's suspiciously not any screenshots of the actual OS shown on their site.
not trying to shill for steam, but i am very curious what the OS might look like and if they bring any big new apps, features, highly polished version of KDE or whatever
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>>108043522
I'm more interested in the Steam Frame and what SteamOS will be like on that. I just hope the pricing is good for it.
In terms of their desktops I think it's a good move to normalise Linux on the desktop but not something I'm particularly interested in. I'm never getting rid of my Gentoo and Arch systems to replace with SteamOS.
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>>108043522
Wasn't implied that the new Steam Machine would come bundled with a new Steam OS specifically targeted to desktops? At least it gave me that impression.
What worries me is whether it will be immutable or not.
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>>108043539
It's actually PulseAudio and JACK on top of PipeWire which is itself on top of either ALSA or JACK.
The architecture of PipeWire is not as insane as it sounds when you look into what each layer actually does.
PipeWire and JACK serve professional audio applications
The PulseAudio layer is there for games and desktop crap that don't need low-latency / realtime audio
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>>108043539
praying to gaben for redemption as we speak.
the extra silly thing is that USB-Audio.conf does list the correct codec but not my specific board, and therefore doesn't work barring future kernel updates lmao
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>>108043545
yeah more linux users, more support, and i really like what steam has been doing with wine/proton, i'd love if it worked on productive software as well. i would really love photoshop on linux (i'm sorry gimptards but that shit is ass)
>>108043549
>Wasn't implied that the new Steam Machine would come bundled with a new Steam OS specifically targeted to desktops?
i didnt see that. however the old steam OS already has a fully KDE desktop (you can switch between that and 'steam mode' afaik). was just hoping it gets a major update
>What worries me is whether it will be immutable or not
what's the deal with all the immutable distros lately? i havent used linux on the daily for a long time, i dont think it was rly a thing back when my dailydriver was ubuntu. are immutable systems just easier to service? i heard it's harder to install drivers etc tho dunno if i'm misinformed
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>>108043812
>i heard it's harder to install drivers etc
It is
Hypothetically its more stable, but none of the neckbeards here are using a immutable distro since they love ricing their shit and spending hours fixing broken installs, so we wouldn't know
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>>108043522
It's plain KDE with some Valve specific processes, including telemetry and user data brokering. Of course Steam is there along with gayming functionality too.
Do you think this giant company is doing it because they are So Nice? Think again.
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>>108037958
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it's working now
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I've been on Artix the past few months because of the le systemd bad meme. Finally got a new laptop so I figured I'd distro hop again and installed balls-basic Fedora.
Man. I forgot what it was like for things to just werk lol why did I torture myself for so long.
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Contrary to what /g/ says there is nothing wrong with running Debian Stable on a desktop instead of just on servers. Literally the most solid distro for almost anything I'd want to do on a computer and very well documented. Been on it for almost a year now without running into any breaking updates, bugs or other stability issues.
>But outdated packages!
For the most part it really does not matter unless you have very specific needs. And there's always backports, third party repos and packages, flatpaks, building from source etc. if you really need something to be more up to date. The notion that you go for rock solid stability by default and for the more updated packages only if you need them for something is ideal really. Maximum comfort achieved.
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>>108045409
Ok, there's nothing wrong with it... but why would you want to? It's not the easiest distro to install or use. It doesn't have the most up to date software. Nobody on desktop gives a fuck about stable ABI.
So why?
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>>108045469
I didn't say it was difficult to use. I said it wasn't the easiest to use distro. You could say exactly the same shit you just said about EndeavourOS. Except maybe the discover part, I don't remember if it had discover installed by default.
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>>108045435
>It's not the easiest distro to install or use
It has a graphical installer so unless you are tech illiterate it's piss easy to set up. Honestly the only thing to watch out for in the install process is that it likes to make a 1GB swap partition unless you manually configure it which is small as shit for most PCs but you can always configure swap later.
After installation you don't really need to do too much. A lot of stuff is preinstalled to the point where you can just launch Firefox and start playing a Youtube video or whatever and for everything that does need setting up you can just Google it. Honestly I don't see a point in using an easier Debian spinoff when it's already this easy but I guess if you never want to see the terminal (I like using one) or in general don't care to have a basic grasp of how Linux works then there's some even more no effort "it just works" distros. And if you are a major hobbyist or a developer etc. there's Arch but as an intermediate user it caused me stress to always worry about everything when I was on it.
Unrelated but counting the fucking spikes on the stars is annoying when you've been drinking.
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>>108045505
"It isn't the easiest distro to install and use" doesn't mean "It is very hard to install and use".
I have installed Debian before (not through Calamares though), and yes it was easy. In any case, that's irrelevant. What I am lacking is the understanding why you'd want to use Debian over pretty much anything else.
There are tons of distros that are piss easy to install. Most of them in fact.
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>>108045560
>why you'd want to use Debian over pretty much anything else
A whole lot of reasons:
>Doesn't give you update notifications every 5 minutes unlike Fedora or Arch
>Doesn't have Snap bullshit unlike Ubuntu
>Doesn't make you install codecs unlike Fedora or OpenSUSE
>Updates don't break your system unlike Arch
>Actually has good desktop environments unlike Mint
It's comfy.
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>>108045560
It's not like Debian is the only good choice or anything, just that it's a very nice desktop OS even though people keep parroting it's only good for servers. It hits a sweet spot in many ways, well documented, well supported, stable, not so bleeding edge that it needs constant babysitting but also not so retardproof it prevents you from doing what you want like atomic distros and what not. Again, there are other good options that tick at least some of the same boxes but while you ask why Debian, I ask why not Debian when the only downside I can think of (older packages in official repo) is no problem for me
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>>108045505
I think 1GB or 2GB swap gets suggested if you are on a low memory/storage system. Debian 13 has been suggesting swap equal to the memory in the guided partitioning.
I generally leave it out and make a swap file later for more flexibility and then enable zswap in grub.
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Debian is the only sane choice for stability and not re-installing your system every year. You can put it on a potato or high end system and it'll just work. You can leave that system off for years and still be in the support cycle or just upgrade to the next release.
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>>108045750
Maybe they changed it with 13, installing 12 even on a system with a 1 TB SSD and 16 GB of RAM it wanted to make a 1 GB swap partition. Unless you consider 16 GB low memory I guess, it's a little on the lower side these days which is why I got more since then.
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in the olden days we used to defragment our mechanical hard drives to get all the free space together at the end so it could be turned into a linux partition
how do we do that with these newfangled solid state drives?
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I installed Debian 13 twice on a laptop with 8GB of RAM:
>The netinstall .iso creates a 2GB swap partition
>Calamares in the KDE live ISO creates no swap partition
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>>108045829
12 has suggested me 1GB. 13 suggests 2GB. If your storage and ram is on the low side it won't suggest swap to be the same as memory I think.
I avoid using Calamares as it's not gone well with encrypted setup (no /boot).
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What does GPU acceleration or GPU based means when it comes to terminal emulators?
Long version of the same question: I use kitty. Recently I learned it was made by the same jeet who fucked up calibre with AI bullshit so I wanna try some other options. Kitty is "GPU based" so I looked for other GPU whatever terminals. I tried ghostty and after quite some time tardwrangling openGL, I managed to make it work, but as soon as I open it it increases CPU usage and makes the computer jump up 20 °C. Not at all usable. Why do these terminals use GPU or advertise as being GPU accelerated? What does that do if the terminal is mostly text? Should I care for it and keep looking for GPU accelerated alternatives? I don't really use much of the eye candy, I just want pretty colours to identify different file types easily (and I like being able to control terminal background opacity, cause I love my wallpapers). Should I even give a shit about any of this?
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>>108045970
It means the rendering runs on the GPU and if your terminal is using 20% GPU usage then ditch it.
Try Alacritty, it's also GPU accelerated but is not heavy on the resource usage. You could even reasonably run it with Llvmpipe/softpipe and not know a difference.
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>>108046229
>Debian: The Chink SSD's OS of Choice
I like that. They should use that as their official tagline.
Then Arch can get a tagline that just reads:
>Korean SSDs mog your Debian:
>(Over N terabytes of updates and no breakage)
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>>108046229
>wear your SSD down
so hhhh a made up issue that doesn't exist unless you're literally using a 64 gb OCZ drive from the early 2010s?
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>>108046295
domestic violence is not just physical. people who want to put men in a bad light like to suggest it's only physical, because they know women are even worse than men at domestic violence if you include all kinds
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>>108046309
You can still hit back. Ask me how I know.
>>108046306
There's no stopping the emotional manipulation bullshit if that's what you mean. Just cut them off.
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>have a source port game (native)
>want to "pin to start" in KDE
>create a .desktop file on the desktop
>pick the file and set it to open in the file's cwd
>no icon
>use 7zip to extract icons from the .exe in the bundle
>set the icon
>still no way to get it on the start menu
>move the .desktop to .local/share/applications
>shows up in "lost and found"
>use menu editor to move it to games
>add to favorites
I feel like I took a very circuitous route but what is the intended way to do this? I miss being able to find some random .exe I downloaded and say "pin to start" and it just shows up. I won't give Windows that much credit through because w11 has a bug where that randomly does nothing and you have to unpin and pin again.
As far as early moves go, bundling icons inside executables was a stroke of genius that I only now appreciate
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bone cursor
https://www.pling.com/p/2136527/
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>>108041275
Cachy is Arch with installer.
>>108040197
There's this meme about Secure Boot doing more than just checking EFI-executable signatures. Apparently some OS implementations use EFI keys themselves to whatever purposes, idk.
>>108046229
Not sure if memeing or serious. Binary updates do basically zero writes, look at their size. I used to have a Gentoo testing installation on 500GB picrel with timed DAILY updates. It caused 2% wear in a year which is huge IMO.
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>Not sure if memeing or serious. Binary updates do basically zero writes, look at their size. I used to have a Gentoo testing installation on 500GB picrel with timed DAILY updates. It caused 2% wear in a year which is huge IMO.
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>>108046478
Well you tell me. This is Arch Linux with swap on the SSD, you should be able to math out the SSD age yourself.
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>>108046651
I really just don't see the point of OpenSUSE.
>The repositories are smaller
>Not as well-tested as Fedora
>The information online isn't as helpful
>Unlike RPMFusion (which is just a Fedora Project/Red Hat legal loophole), Packman is not co-maintained with the OpenSUSE repos, thus installing updates too soon can break multimedia codecs
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>>108046667
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>>108046593
Ubuntu these days creates a swap.img in the root directory.
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Debian installer sets up a swap partition in guided partitioning regardless of desktop environment. I'm not sure about the live isos with the Calamares installer.
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>>108046706
>Debian installer sets up a swap partition in guided partitioning regardless of desktop environment. I'm not sure about the live isos with the Calamares installer.
Refer to: >>108045829
The Live ISO through Calamares doesn't set up swap.
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>>108046478
Theoretically yes. Practically it doesn't matter. Especially if you have something approaching enough RAM. You should still use zram for performance reasons.
Also Linux doesn't have special processes with different memory allocation priority, so you need an OOM killer service to prevent UI hangs.
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>>108046176
>Arch doesn't give you any update notifications, because updating on Arch is completely manual.
If you use any GUI app store like pamac then you will get update notifications in your systray. And I like GUI app stores because I'm not a terminaltranny
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You can update whenever you feel like it, tard. He's saying notifications are pointless when you're expecting a new update to be available every day anyway.
If you're not going to update immediately then why do you even need a notification?
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I don't know what pacman-contrib is. I just want my operating system to have systray notifs by default that I can click on and get a pretty "Update" button; Discover accomplishes this on non-Arch Plasma distros.
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>>108047632
I'm pretty sure Discover does that on Arch too. I think it has a pacman plugin. Although the Arch maintainers do not recommend using it.
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I don't think pamac addresses that warning either though (will it merge pacnew files?).
Basically, the Arch maintainers still expect people to be manually updating. I think Cachy (or maybe it's Endeavour, I forget which) actually comes with some GUI tools for merging pacnew files properly though and will show the diff to you and let you edit them, etc.
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The Notepad++ hack has me reinstalling my gaming system, and I'd like to move to linux on that one too.
I've been using debian and arch based distros for over a decade now, and last I remember NVIDIA drivers were still a fucking mess on arch.
Which distro is gonna give me the least issues for gaming? It's the one application I never used linux for.
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>Which distro is gonna give me the least issues for gaming?
As long as it has KDE Plasma they'll all be basically the same for gaming.
>Debian KDE
>Tuxedo OS
>Ultramarine KDE/Fedora KDE (Ultramarine is just a Fedora fork with codecs and NVIDIA drivers preinstalled)
These are all self-maintaining operating systems that just werk, but if you have an RTX 50 series GPU you shouldn't use Debian because the latest NVIDIA drivers aren't available for it (not in an easy to install way anyhow).
Bazzite is great for HTPC's but I wouldn't use it as a desktop daily driver.
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>>108048525
Manjaro is good, it has a slower update frequency compared to regular Arch/other Arch-based distros, so the devs actually test and fix stuff before shipping updates. You're never gonna have to do manual intervention on Manjaro whereas you do on Arch/other Arch-based distros. The only actual problem with Manjaro is that, since it is somewhat out of date compared to upstream Arch, it's often not compatible with the AUR. Good riddance though, because the AUR is a hellhole that's constantly getting DDOS'd and is full of malware anyway.
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If you want to use the AUR. If you don't, then use Manjaro over Endeavour. CachyOS remains the best Arch experience for people willing to do occasional manual intervention.
>>108048565
Frankenstein?
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>>108048627
If you want to learn Arch, well, all distros are Linux under the hood at the end of the day. If you want Arch-specific knowledge and I mean super Arch-specific, everyday Manjaro usage is unlike other Arch-based distros due to its release model.
Basically, if you want to use Manjaro because it gives you the optimisation of Arch but with a weekly/monthly update schedule, then go ahead and use Manjaro. But if you want to use it as a stepping stone towards Arch in general, it's not gonna teach you much about Arch.
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>>108048261
Literally every distro uses the same proprietary Nvidia driver with open kernel modules. That includes arch. The only difference is that on some distros you get outdated drivers, but you don't want that. Nvidia drivers get worse as you go back in time.
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>>108048261
Mint hasn't given me too many problems but it depends on the games you play. The nvidia drivers work fine on my desktop with an nvidia geforce GTX 1070. Most of the games I want to play run fine. I lose about 10-30% performance than on Windows but still playable.
Pic-related is running Mint on my Surface Pro. I run into more thermal throttling issues than on windows after about 20 minutes of gaming. On Windows it might play a bit longer but would suddenly just crash or freeze and I'd have to force shut down. At least now it only starts to lag and I just quit the game and wait a few minutes for it to cool down then I can play again for another 20 minutes. I'm surprised how well it can game on Linux for such a thin form factor.
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>>108039062
Okay I was watching yesterday but you guys went off on one so thought I'd leave it.
But from what I got back you definitely support a KDE focused os, and something like zorin, tuxedo or ubuntu?
always shied away from ubuntu because corporate but I'll look into it
anything else I should unironically consider before this thread dies?
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>>108048980
>What's wrong with Mint?
A single anon known as the ublue shill has been spending the last several months gaslighting everyone into believing that mint is bad and shilling his ublue distros like aurora and bazzite.
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Mint and Ublue are both bad.
MINT:
>Mint doesn't work with modern monitors
>Mint doesn't let you right-click hard drives
>Mint's UX is fragmented as hell
>Mint users keep getting GNOME'd because Mint has a stupid default feature of automatically installing optional dependencies
>Cinnamon is ugly as sin
UBlue:
>Immutable, so you are forced into tinkering thanks to Flatpak
>Immutable, so you are forced into Windows-tier RAM usage thanks to Flatpak
>Immutable, so you are forced into Windows-tier disk usage thanks to Flatpak
>Immutable, so your themes don't even work with applications thanks to Flatpak
>Immutable, so applications take longer to load thanks to Flatpak
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>>108049034
The first mint issue is more of an xorg issue than exclusively a mint issue right?
The other mint issues sound more lke cinnamon issues than mint issues since theres xfce and mate spins available but who still uses mate?
I've never seen or experienced the gnome'd issue but i think mint has --no-install-recommends as the default.
Themes should work with flatpak if you allow sandbox read access to the correct files and directories.
I've never experienced any type of windows-tier ram usage with flatpak, or applications taking longer to load.
>you are forced into Windows-tier disk usage thanks to Flatpak.
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>>108048977
Yeah, using the linux surface kernel drivers. It was pretty straightforward to get working. I think I just need to get a fan and aim at the back or install a power controller to limit the CPU cycles. On Windows it didn't thermal throttle but it would just freeze or crash when I played for too long. I get about 20 minutes of undisturbed decent game time, and then the fans get loud and it starts to lag. Then that's when I give it a break for a couple minutes and browse the internet or something while I wait.
Thermald is already installed but it doesn't let me switch to power saving mode. I installed autocpufreq and can't really tell if it helps, yet. At least I can use power saving mode now and it does reduce the performance a little so hopefully that helps with the heat, but I think with this device, it's probably still gonna be a workout to run a game like Halo 3, especially with all the stuff that can happen during a match. The fact that it runs so smoothly when it does is impressive even with all the AI characters running around and all the particle effects and physics interactions happening.
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>>108049067
>The first mint issue is more of an xorg issue than exclusively a mint issue right?
Sure, but Mint forces you into xorg.
>The other mint issues sound more like cinnamon issues
Mint's non-Cinnamon software like their software and update managers are still present on the Xfce and MATE editions. There's also the fact that pressing "Update" doesn't automatically update you to the next point release, since you need to go to a drop-down menu to change your sources. And there's also the fact that Mint does not by default choose the fastest mirrors based on your IP.
>Themes should work with flatpak if you allow sandbox read access to the correct files and directories.
That is true, but I also pointed out that Flatpak forces you into tinkering; you shouldn't have to do that and regular distros don't make you do that.
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Basically anything with Plasma 6. Ultramarine KDE, Manjaro KDE, Tuxedo OS, hell even Debian KDE is more user-friendly than anything Mint.
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>>108049100
>the fact that pressing "Update" doesn't automatically update you to the next point release
Mint notifies you when theres a new point release and has a program called mintupgrade to handle the whole upgrade process.
>I also pointed out that Flatpak forces you into tinkering; you shouldn't have to do that and regular distros don't make you do that.
Yeah i think some distros have it configured for flatpak to either have their distro themes already installed or the needed directories already configured to be accessible.
In my experience the mint update manager is pretty easy to use.
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>>108049146
>Mint notifies you when theres a new point release
And people's instinct is to click the notification, which will open the Update Manager, and then they will instinctively press "Update" only for no updates to be found because it only checks the current point release's sources. There is a dropdown menu in the Update Manager you have to go through in order to change to the next point release, which is dumb. You'll find plenty of posts on the Mint forums where people are still on ancient versions of Mint because they assumed that pressing "Update" would bring their computer up-to-date.
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>>108049157
>What do you mean?
You've got no Wayland. You've got no superbar. You've got no easy way to disable middle-click paste. You've got no type-ahead in your file browser and must instead use type-to-search. For some setups I admit X11 is harmless, but the rest of these are dealbreakers for Windows users.
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>>108049161
>There is a dropdown menu in the Update Manager you have to go through in order to change to the next point release, which is dumb.
The official documented way is to install mintupgrade and run it from the command line but i don't know why thy havent already integrated that into the update manager
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>>108049248
>i don't know why thy havent already integrated that into the update manager
The better question is: why haven't they integrated the Update Manager into the Software Manager? Discover, GNOME Software, and Pamac all perform installs and updates within the same GUI.
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>>108049292
>superbar
Superbars are how the taskbar has worked in Windows 7 onwards, and in modern KDE and Cinnamon. Xfce's taskbar is like Windows Vista and prior, where the Quick Launch applet is separate from the active programs applet.
>type-ahead
In Thunar, if you press the f key twice in a directory, it will search for files beginning with "ff", and pressing the left arrow key thereafter will move the text cursor in your search field to the left; in Dolphin and Windows Explorer, if you press the f key twice in a directory, it will highlight the second file in the directory beginning with the letter f, and pressing the left arrow key thereafter will select the file to the left of what you'd just landed on.
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>>108049344
Oh thats what the superbar is called? I always thought it was just like a dock and taskbar combined.
>in Dolphin and Windows Explorer, if you press the f key twice in a directory, it will highlight the second file in the directory beginning with the letter f, and pressing the left arrow key thereafter will select the file to the left of what you'd just landed on.
Never felt the need to do this in dolphin.
>if you press the f key twice in a directory, it will search for files beginning with "ff"
Wish dolphin and the xdg-desktop-portal-kde had this since its handy and is one of the only good things about that horrible gtk filepicker.
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>>108049527
>Never felt the need to do this in dolphin
What if you want to cycle through files beginning with f? On Windows and Dolphin, you can just keep hitting the f key till you found it. This is especially useful if the folder isn't sorted by alphabetical order but something like date or filesize.
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>>108046506
Roughly how much RAM usage are we talking with such a setup? With let's say something big like LibreOffice or what have you.
>>108046676
>32-bit support
As in x86 I assume. Do anons here use 32 bit PCs for anything "serious"? If it's just for the lulz: compile a 32 bit Gentoo system using your actual PC and then transfer it over, I've done that exact thing.
>>108046713
>Wi-Fi/Bluetooth breaking on kernel update
Typical. You may want to stick with 6.12 branch for now.
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