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Check the Wikis (most troubleshoots work for all distros):
https://wiki.archlinux.org
https://wiki.gentoo.org
https://wiki.alpinelinux.org
https://wiki.debian.org

>Which distro should I choose?
https://gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
https://nosystemd.org
https://distrowatch.com
>What are some cool programs?
https://suckless.org
https://harmful.cat-v.org/software
>What are some cool terminal commands?
https://commandlinefu.com
>Where can I learn the command line?
https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide
>Where can I learn more about Free Software?
https://fsf.org
>How to break out of the botnet?
https://privacytools.io/os
https://prism-break.org/en/categories/gnu-linux
https://privacyguides.org/en/desktop

>Linux subreddits
https://reddit.com/r/linux
https://reddit.com/r/linuxquestions
https://reddit.com/r/linuxmemes
https://reddit.com/r/linux_gaming
https://reddit.com/r/suckless

>GNU/Linux alternatives
https://netbsd.org
https://openbsd.org
https://dragonflybsd.org
https://freebsd.org

GNU/Linux Games: >>>/vg/lgg

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first for FEDora
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>Mint Wayland is still experimental
Dead OS.
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>>108037958
Install Bazzite
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Distro subreddits are borderline unusable.
>finally escaped windows!!
>look at my desktop!! bye windows!!
>day 1 on distro!! no more windows!!
The same garbage on every fucking Distro subreddit when I'm just trying to look for technical discussion.
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>>108038058
>when I'm just trying to look for technical discussion.
this "general Linux" subreddit is much better, yes. definitely no non-technical shitposting here.
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>>108038058
it's better than treating it like a tech support service for problems already solved elsewhere imo
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>>108038058
Why do people even do the second one anyways?
Are they really that desperate for validation?
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>install debian
>nvme boot drive cooking under gpu; no fan control for 9070 xt
>locate LACT
>update kernel since stock 6.12 isn’t supported
>sense mouse lag under any graphically intensive task starting with firefox
>write .sh and .service trying to force power_dpm to performance; doesn’t read
>set clocks to high on LACT; resolved
>test AI Limit on steam
>ok so far except for dips with high particle effects
that’s about my journey so far with this thing and right now i can’t tell whether i’m still missing a few extra steps like more updates or my nvme’s just thermal throttling since i don’t encounter these drops on windows. u think it’d be better trying something more current like fedora or see if some extra ventilation like bottom fans would be worth exploring
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>>108038136
I'd argue that the second one is the most valid.
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>Debian's logo is red
>Debian's default wallpapers have always been blue
What did they mean by this?
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>>108038031
>image based distro
faggot alert
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>fedora kde
should I install bottles from fedora linux default repo or from flathub? why?
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>>108037958
how do i share the internet over a single nic?
in ubuntu lts 22.04 if i enable the wi-fi hotspot as a bug or a feature it also enables the internet sharing through the ethernet port, but ubuntu freezes on my laptop every 2-3 hours for some reason. I nuked it and decided to install fedora. it doesn't freeze, but the wi-fi hotspot trick doesn't work on fedora.
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>>108038220
The whole point of Bottles is that it's meant to be sandboxed in a stable Wine ABI. There's really no benefit to Fedora Bottles over Fedora Wine.
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>>108038220
Flathub, the maintainers themselves recommend against the any repos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpuwIo2y4a4
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>>108038188
it's an elite combination of colours
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>>108038000
>Xfce Wayland is still experimental
Dead DE.
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>>108035788
>What's your technical case for zfs?
I wasn't really making a case for ZFS. My point was that there is nothing that makes Btrfs better than ZFS specifically on a single drive.

>I know it's got really bad fragmentation problems
You're probably talking of edge cases like torrenting directly onto a spinning disk pool without setting appropriate block size on the dataset. Honestly, there's not too many caveats like that and unless you're the kind of guy who wants to kill himself everytime the package manager takes 10 extra seconds to do its thing, then I think it's likely you won't even notice anything.

>it's out of tree. Don't say muh enterprise. Muh enterprise is running RHEL kernels.
What are you even trying to say? RHEL kernels support neither ZFS nor Btrfs. Doesn't mean you can't use them. In fact, RHEL is one of the more reliable distros to use with ZFS, since due to its semi-stable kABI and due to OpenZFS themselves building precompiled modules for it. Alma also recently started supporting Btrfs.
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>>108035806
>There's way too many newfags looking to "switch to linux" today, and all of them asking the same questions. What happened? Did some jewtuber make another video on linux? Can't newfags read the thread?
I think that's exactly what happens. Toober shits out a video, kiddies come running scared with a sudden overwhelming need for "privacy" and "security" and "productivity", asking what distro/browser(extensions)/VPN they need to install so they can satisfy that sudden urge and feel good and safe again. Luckily, they're fairly easy to spot and ignore.

>>108038058
Similarly to above, some kid installs distro, makes a post saying "Whoa! I actually like it!!" and gets infinitely jerked off by the community, which in turn causes more posts of this nature to come into existence. You just gotta dig deeper to avoid this shit.
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>>108038512
Ok, so you acknowledge it's marginally inferior and more of a pain in the ass to use. That's all I'm saying.
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>have 3 apps installed in bottles
>update bottles thru flatpak update
>all apps vanish
nigga u srs?
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>>108038058
And I bet each one of them use Arch. Typical Arch shitters ruining every community they go
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Ga(y)ming question related:
I'm trying to launch the CODEX crack of Code Vein in Lutris, but there's no way to make it work. On GE-Proton it launches, but sits still at 0% CPU, and on Wine-ge-8-26 it just crashes.
I've read online that "for some reason" CODEX cracks don't always work on linux, but I nobody says why.
I've tried to override denuvo and steam_api dll, force windowed mode, 60 fps cap...
Does anyone know what's going on?
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>>108038564
It obviously depends on what you care about and how much it matters to you.
If you really hate it being out of tree and can't stand the idea of losing any raw performance, then sure - ZFS is not for you.
To someone else, it might be the one true endgame filesystem despite its caveats.
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>>108038000
When you realise that Cinnamon is just a really bad fork of GNOME then it all starts to make sense. They don't have the man power to build their own Wayland composite and barely have any idea what they're doing. Since their fork is always based on some random ancient version of Mutter it is always going to be experimental.

Mutter recently stabilised VRR support. Does it work in Cinnamon's Wayland session? Well, probably not unless they've rebased it again anytime soon. Ditto for HDR, etc. Mint is always going to be playing catch-up with GNOME. They don't know how to do actual compositor development themselves.
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>>108038698
>Ditto
You massive fag.
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>>108038713
What is wrong with using that word?
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>>108038675
You haven't given one reason to use zfs other than feelios.
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>>108038728
I already made it clear that shilling ZFS was not my intention, so I'm not sure why you feel the need to point that out.
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>>108038145
Did you setup via tasksel when you first installed? I've never had issues like this on Debian
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>>108038727
Using it as a drop-in for "same" is extremely gay.
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>>108038107
Guys finally ditched windows years ago can I add this one to my constructed personalityyyyy
heh debian gang rise up 8) bros :)
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>>108038810
> Be uptight about the word Ditto
> Be against gay activity
Pick one buddy
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>>108038894
I pick the former. Being uptight about the word "gay" is extremely gay, too.
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>>108038177
ditto
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>>108038919
ditto
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OK thought I'd ask here.

Need to install some Linux distro for my parents because I'm not inflicting windows 11 on them.

Years ago I got mum using mint for a while so it won't be that scary for her.
But I need something pretty bombproof and suitable for newbs that I won't have to micromanage. I get enough calls to sort the printer out or scan documents as it is so I need something with long term stable support I can just set and forget.
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>>108039062
>But I need something pretty bombproof
I don't think there's something like that.
But check out Zorin, or just use Mint. Never tried Zorin myself, but everyone says that "it just works".
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>>108039062
You know the answer
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On gnome whenever I press a media key my pointer starts loading for some reason. Why does this happen? It's kinda annoying.
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>>108039062
Ubuntu, so long as they don't go anywhere they know they shouldn't, there won't be a problem.
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>>108039062
Why do you care about "support" if the goal is to "set and forget"? Automatic updates will fuck things up sooner or later, and if you have them disabled then it doesn't matter what kind of support you have. Just have them run through all the common tasks.
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>>108039109
She should be able to handle simple updates I just need something I won't have to swap out for a while.
She mostly uses firefox and whatever opens word/excel/pdf documents.
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>>108039062
Welcome! Mint is horrible nowadays. I don't even know where to start:
>People keep getting GNOMEd, ie Mint keeps installing GNOME on people's computers because at some point Mint started automatically installing packages' optional dependencies
>The UX is still fragmented
You still can't install updates (aka manage software) using the so-called Software Manager, which merely installs software; you have to go through a separate updating app
>Pressing update in the updater app still does not bring your computer up-to-date
Once the next point release comes out, you still need to manually change your sources to the next point release. There's countless people who simply don't know to do this and have been stuck on ancient versions of Mint for years
>You still need to manually change your apt sources
Mint by default does not choose the fastest mirrors based on your connection (something every normal distro has done for years), so unless you know to do this, you'll be downloading Mint's Frankenstein repo from mixed UK and US mirrors

TuxedoOS is Windoslike and just werks. I wouldn't recommend it to most people but I'd recommend it to your parents as it's basically just a de-snapped Kubuntu LTS.
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>>108039062
>bombproof and suitable for newbs that I won't have to micromanage.
Aurora or Bluefin. Alternatively, ZorinOS.
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>>108039249
>Aurora or Bluefin
Immutable distros ARE micromanaging. Do you want his mum to have to tinker with Flatpak permissions just so she can open her documents?
>ZorinOS
Why put up with this bloat when you can just install any Plasma distro?
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>>108039264
He's the one setting up their distro. It takes 10 seconds to permanently enable all flaptak permissions globally if you think that's an issue.
>Immutable distros ARE micromanaging.
Sure thing buddy, his parent's are TOTALLY micromanaging their phones all the time.
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>>108039283
>parent's
I'm illiterate but you get what I mean
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>>108039283
>He's the one setting up their distro
>enable all flaptak permissions globally
Then what the fuck is the point of immutability if you're not even leveraging the security model of Flatpaks? Just use any normal fucking distro and that way you won't use up half your RAM and disk on the various runtimes and libraries.
>his parent's are TOTALLY micromanaging their phones all the time
His parents' phones aren't desktop computers with desktop use cases.
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>>108039300
Immutability has nothing to do with flatpaks and these distros aren't even immutable.
>Just use any normal fucking distro
They provably don't work for normies and they require much more micromanaging.
>His parents' phones aren't desktop computers with desktop use cases.
"Desktop use cases" for normies are generally the same as smartphone use cases. This isn't even a good argument because you have no idea what their desktop use case is aside from printing and scanning which itself can be done on a phone. Also, what can't be done on these distros that could be done on your preferred distro?
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>>108039318
>these distros aren't even immutable
Oh fuck off you prick. "HURR AKSHULLLY THEY'RE ATOMIC NOT IMMUTABLE". Fuck off. Do they work as well as a normal fucking OS? No? Then I'll call them shit; you can call them atomic if you wish.
>They provably don't work for normies and they require much more micromanaging
?????????????????????????????????????????????????
>"Desktop use cases" for normies are generally the same as smartphone use cases
Except Anon already said his mother actually needs to work with files. Who uses office suites on phones? And more importantly, his mother's computer most likely doesn't have 32+GB of RAM.
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>>108039062
>>108039135
>She should be able to handle simple updates I just need something I won't have to swap out for a while.
>She mostly uses firefox and whatever opens word/excel/pdf documents.

should have back linked this to my first post
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>>108039342
>Do they work as well as a normal fucking OS? No?
You're right, they work better.
>Anon already said his mother actually needs to work with files.
Then any distro will work. These are just the best for normies.
>Who uses office suites on phones?
They're usable and are commonly used on phones and phone operating systems. Even the office suites which aren't pre-installed on mobile phones have hundreds of millions of downloads collectively across iOS and Android.
>RAM
Any distro works fine with 4-8GB RAM, even the three I mentioned.

>?
Linux distros are unusable without Flatpak, anon. The Linux desktop is a complete shitshow and has been until Flatpaks became good at the start of this decade. I'm sorry but your elitism and arbitrary purity tests mean nothing to me. """native""" package management is a failed experiment for desktops. Flatpak and the "immutable" distros have solved the issue of Linux being shit for normies.

You sound completely out of touch with normies and how they use tech.
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>>108039385
>You're right, they work better.
How is it better to use more RAM and disk? How is it better for applications to take longer to launch? How is it better than Anon HAS to tinker with his parent's computers before he can hand it off to them?
>Linux distros are unusable without Flatpak, anon
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
What the fuck are you talking about?
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>>108038569
flatpak is immutable/read-only, any changes will get lost
you should learn how to make changes persist or just stick to rpm package
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>>108039395
I don't know why /fglt/ keeps doing this to themselves. There is a UBlue shill who has been shitposting here for months. There is no point arguing with him.
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>>108039062
>Need to install some Linux distro for my parents because I'm not inflicting windows 11 on them.
if you truly want retard-proof: mac mini m4 is what, $450? and will soon drop even lower once m5 releases. tiny, silent, very power efficient, very powerful for normie usage. it's the best "stop bothering me" option, as long as you're fine with low storage
failing that, just about any popular distro as long as it's KDE. it probably won't survive more than ~2 years in the hands of a retard tho
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>>108039395
>How is it better to use more RAM and disk? How is it better for applications to take longer to launch?
This is irrelevant unless you're using a PC from 2005. Way to out yourself as a poorfag. We've already established that a 4GB device would be fine for these distros. Anon said he prefers ease of use over resource efficiency anyway.
>How is it better than Anon HAS to tinker with his parent's computers before he can hand it off to them?
He's already installing an OS. That's already "tinkering". Flicking a checkbox is not tinkering, it's just changing a preference. By your standards there's no OS in the world that doesn't require "tinkering".

>>108039399
This is false and you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>108039412
There's no point of arguing with >>108039395 when he's just shitposting and has never provided a real argument against Aurora/Bluefin outside of irrelevant mumbling about permissions (which exist on every OS and can be disabled) and some irrelevant difference in install sizes.
Sometimes I forget half of /fglt/ is completely out of touch with real people and real users and is just using thinkpads from 2005 where every MB of memory and storage matters. In reality no normal person would give a fuck about these "issues" he has listed nor would they prefer to use Fedora, Debian or Mint over Bluefin.
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>>108038782
first i’ve heard of that but nah i just used the main iso from their website
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>>108039439
>retard-proof: mac mini
this
>just about any popular distro
>won't survive more than ~2 years in the hands of a retard tho
an atomic distro would!
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Alright let's see how good Aurora is for normies:
>go on the website
>literally the first thing it tells me is to develop an app
>scroll down
>first screenshot has a fucking terminal on the taskbar
>caption of the screenshot: "Develop faster than ever before."
>scroll down further
>it gives an essay about cloud-native homebrew Podman Docker container code AI developer tools workflows
Oh wow, this devfaggot distro is the perfect operating system for my boomer parents!
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>>108039506
>literally the first thing it tells me is to develop an app
Not just any app, but "your next app", as though you have already developed one.
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>>108039506
>a normie will go out of their way to install an operating system
yep, proven >>108039473 correct
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>>108039521
>a sane person will go out of their way to throw their parents into pic related
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>>108039473
>over Bluefin
Nobody, and I mean nobody, likes GNOME. You may, but you don't count because you're a retard.
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>>108039530
“what’s that? u wanted a sewing kit? nah fuck that here’s homebrew its so ez trvst”
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>>108039530
>>108039506
This Universal Blue shilling is literally the modern day version of insisting noobs install Arch
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>>108039530
>a sane person thinks this matters
>still basing his opinions of an OS without ever using it
>still basing his opinions on normie usage without interacting with normies
You see, unlike you I have at least used distributions and desktops I'm talking about and I interact with people outside of /fglt/.

>>108039534
If that were true it wouldn't still be the most used DE. I don't like it either compared to KDE but most people don't really care. Normal people aren't distro or DE fanatics.

You've again failed to list any actual issues so I accept your defeat anons. Have fun tinkering with your dysfunctional distros.
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>>108039594
Enjoy your dysfunctional penis you retarded tranny
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>>108039476
tasksel concerns the installation process itself. It's an anomaly if you installed Debian as per the conventional installation prompts and have complications like this desu. Debian 13 generally 'just werks'.
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Any of you use RClone? I'm struggling to find a way to use this tool in a way that fits my mental model of how to manage my files. I have a kinda set in stone directory structure for all my files. Media i only read 99% of the tame is backed up somewhere else, the main use case i have for this tool is having an always sync copy of data that i still have to update and reference more often, i'll give you an example. This is roughly how i sort my documents.
./
./Books
./Important Files -> accounting, invoices, taxes and shit
./Notes
./Off Topic -> this mostly contains SingleFileZ snapshots of random internet articles or shit like aws-cli or tmux cheatsheets, i want to note down the relevant bits then get rid of this over time
./Text Dump -> lots of raw text i have copypasted over the years before i decide to start noting down shit



I also make a couple of edits so i made this directory structure to work with them

./
./current -> Basically a temporal directory acting as root for whatever i may be doing
./reverse_search -> duh
./edit_qq -> mostly has pictures i want to edit, remove watermarks, trim, sometimes there're videos
./references -> i'm practicing handdrawing as hobby
./convert_qq -> 90% of the time i have videos here
./archive_later -> what i amn't working with anymore but dunno where to place yet, usually stays empty but is useful enough to keep around

I read about RClone and considered using a Gdrive account to keep sync of ONLY a couple of these directories, excluding the rest. Let's say, ./Notes and ./reverse_search. But i'm struggling to understand how to use this tool for my use case. It NEEDS to be Gdrive cause i want a sync option as normie friendly as possible so i can use it on any locked down corporate PC/Chromebook (specially the "Notes" i even got permission to install this shit so i can edit actual text files inside Gdrive https://workspace.google.com/marketplace/app/text_editor_for_drive/1014087004651).
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>>108039506
Water is wet and immutable distro marketing is still retarded
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>>108039685
that's why they're not even marketing these distros as immutable anymore. the word they initially picked was retarded but it's too late to change course now.
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>>108039621
well hell i haven’t touched linux in 6 years so idk what the deal is with my card. could be debian’s too old too? though it happens here also: https://forum.level1techs.com/t/new-rx-9070-xt-causes-drunk-mouse-cursor-might-be-pcie-5-problem/240476/4

in any case im just wondering now why i stutter in spots that play out smoothly on windows
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>>108039506
never heard of aurora but it sounds like it's not being targeted at the average user
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>>108039760
most distros have websites which target OEMs or developers because an average user doesn't actively visit these websites at all. the first thing you see on the ubuntu website is "Gartner® Predicts 2026 Report: AI Sovereignty" and the fact it's an enterprise distro. yet it is still the most popular distro.
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>>108039838
>yet it is still the most popular distro
As of late? I doubt that.
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>>108039062
Ubuntu with Ubuntu Pro (free on 5 computers)

If they don't like GNOME then just install another DE from the repos and set it up to boot into that DE
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>>108039869
>Ubuntu Pro
use case?
>If they don't like GNOME then just install another DE
Why not just flash Kubuntu from the start? Or use a Kubuntu-based distro without snaps?
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>>108039851
>As of late? I doubt that.
why? because the steam gamers say so? corporations and institutions move slower than gamers. and all the pre-built computers and laptops I've seen in shops come with ubuntu (assuming they come with linux instead of windows)
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>>108039851
Not him, but I would say in sheer numbers of users (especially considering professional and server contexts), almost certainly. For home desktop tinkerer enthusiasts, perhaps it is more debatable. Canonical do a lot for business and professional support, because a lot of such places rely on their products (such as Ubuntu and Ubuntu-like bespoke builds).
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>>108039473
flatpak is indeed immutable, you can't modify the files inside it
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>>108039873
>use case?
Normally Canonical only assure security updates for everything in the main repo, not in universe. Pro extends that to universe as well.
>Why not just flash Kubuntu from the start? Or use a Kubuntu-based distro without snaps?
You could try that but I don't know if Ubuntu Pro will work that way. It might well do, I dunno. Also I don't think normies will care about snaps. As long as a program opens and runs, they won't care.
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>>108039560
nah, universal blue is just werks unlike arch
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>>108038282
sudo sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
nmcli connection add con-name Hotspot autoconnect no ifname wlp2s0 type wifi \
connection.zone trusted 802-11-wireless.mode ap 802-11-wireless.ssid my-AP \
802-11-wireless-security.key-mgmt wpa-psk 802-11-wireless-security.proto rsn \
802-11-wireless-security.pairwise ccmp 802-11-wireless-security.psk 12345678 \
ipv4.method shared ipv6.method ignore
nmcli connection up Hotspot
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>>108039884
>corporations and institutions move slower than gamers
Corporations and institutions aren't desktop end-users whereas gamers are.
>>108039917
>Pro extends that to universe as well
Sounds like snake oil to me
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>>108039915
He's not modifying a Flatpak application. He said he installed Windows applications inside Bottles (a GUI for Wine prefixes). His applications are installed in ~/.var/app/com.usebottles.bottles/data/bottles/bottles/bottle-name/. This folder is for user data of that specific Flatpak. There's a difference between an "application" folder and "application data" folder.

What he's saying is that he created either menu shortcuts or launchers in the Bottles "library" section. These are just shortcuts for executing individual .exe files so that you don't have to use the file manager. And for some reason after updating Bottles these got lost/removed. These shortcuts are managed by Bottles.
So this sounds like an issue of data migration between the different versions of Bottles. This is not something related to Flatpak application directories being overridden since that's not where your Windows applications are installed.

>>108039873
>Kubuntu
Shit advice considering it's notoriously the worst KDE experience to the point of many KDE devs themselves advising against using it.
>Kubuntu-based distro without snaps?
Almost nobody cares about snaps. To a normie snap vs apt vs flatpak vs appimage debate is irrelevant.
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>>108039999
>To a normie snap vs apt vs flatpak vs appimage debate is irrelevant.
Nice get, but people are leaving Windows in the first place because it is bloated, so we should be convincing people that Linux is lean.
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>>108040052
Some, but not all. Many are leaving because they no longer trust Windows to provide an OS with integrity.
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>>108039989
>Corporations and institutions aren't desktop end-users whereas gamers are.
gamers using steam are barely 6% of the total monthly active desktop users. most PC gamers don't even use steam. don't get me wrong it's a relevant statistic but it is extremely skewed. I just checked and according to it 25% of linux users are on steamOS, 9% on cachy, 6% on bazzite, and only 8% on ubuntu. there is no way more people use cachy than ubuntu and there is no way bazzite is almost as popular as ubuntu
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>>108040052
>we should be convincing people that Linux is lean
Why are you obsessed with such inane bullshit? Why do you think anyone cares what you think?
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how's pop os these days
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Why do people say NVIDIA doesn't work with Secure Boot? Doesn't DKMS automatically sign the kernel module now?
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>>108038031
>micro$oft bazzite with troon drama
No thanks.
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>>108039156
So if Mint is shit now, what is the generally recommended justwerkz distro these days?
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>>108040414
Ubuntu
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>>108040052
>people are leaving Windows in the first place because it is bloated
Even if 10 million users leave Windows for Linux, that's not even a single percent user loss for Windows.
>inb4 10 million is still a lot
It is, but that's a population offset Windows will recoup after a couple of months according to the current world population growth.

Also, most Windows machines are not being replaced with other operating systems because of "bloat". Nobody cares about bloat. Literally nobody aside for ultra minimalists which make up a total of 0.001% of PC users. The reason why some places are migrating from Windows is primarily the rising privacy concerns.

>>108040414
Bazzite for gamers, Aurora for others.
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a friend of mine upgraded his GPU and offered me his 1yo RTX4070 very on the cheap. the 4000 series already uses the open source nvidia driver, right? How well does it work?
I currently have a RX5600XT and amdgpu+mesa works very well, last nvidia card I owned used the proprietary driver and I remember it sucking major ass
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Ok, fine! I admit it! I've... never had sex.
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>>108040414
Pretty much anything with KDE Plasma is justwerkz now, but I have a soft spot for Ultramarine.
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>>108040426
>>108040436
>>108040518
Thanks, I hadn't kept an eye on desktop Linux in a while. I think I'm too much of a crusty old man to get used to an immutable distro so I guess I'll go with Fedora and KDE.
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>>108040436
>Aurora for others
>>108039506
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>>108040529
Fedora KDE is a great choice, you'll love it.
There's 5 minutes of setup compared to Ultramarine (which is a Fedora fork that comes with codecs + NVIDIA drivers), but you just paste this and you're done:
sudo dnf update
sudo dnf install https://mirrors.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-$(rpm -E %fedora).noarch.rpm https://mirrors.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-$(rpm -E %fedora).noarch.rpm
sudo dnf config-manager setopt fedora-cisco-openh264.enabled=1
sudo dnf update @core
sudo dnf install rpmfusion-\*-appstream-data
sudo dnf swap ffmpeg-free ffmpeg --allowerasing
sudo dnf update @multimedia --setopt="install_weak_deps=False" --exclude=PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin

And if you want the NVIDIA drivers, you can either install them by searching up NVIDIA in Discover, or run this:
sudo dnf install  akmod-nvidia
sudo dnf install xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-cuda
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>>108040585
Oh, don't forget
sudo dnf install libavcodec-freeworld

Again, if you'd rather not do this then you may as well go with Ultramarine.
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>>108040585
>>108040595
Thanks, it's been a long time since I've used Fedora, the past few times I've installed anything it was an Ubuntu derivative with options for non-free codecs while installing from media. For the Nvidia driver install, is that the same whether or not you're on a newer card? I saw something about an open source kernel component to the drivers for Turing cards and newer but not the whole driver stack right?
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>>108040634
>For the Nvidia driver install, is that the same whether or not you're on a newer card?
Currently
akmod-nvidia
ships the 580 driver which supports Pascal and Maxwell cards, but the 590 driver will drop support for these older cards. The
akmod-nvidia-470xx
package exists for Kepler cards (no Wayland support on these tho kek so you may as well use the default Nouveau driver) and a
akmod-nvidia-580xx
package will accommodate Maxwells and Pascals as soon as the 590 driver is added to RPMFusion.
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>>108040692
So nothing special has to be done for a Turing or newer card? Currently have a 3080, that may change once my tax refund processes and I wouldn't necessarily be against going to AMD if it would be worthwhile for better Linux compatibility.
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>>108040710
That should just work. NVIDIA only dropped support for the 1000 series and below.
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>>108040692
>no Wayland support on these
At least, the RPMFusion website doesn't make any mention of Wayland support. If you have a Kepler, try it out and see since Google suggests that the 470 driver supports Wayland.
>>108040710
>So nothing special has to be done for a Turing or newer card?
Yeah you are completely covered by
akmod-nvidia
. Ultramarine needs an internet connection during the installation to set it up for you though.
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>>108037958
Another win for systemd

https://www.phoronix.com/news/LFS-Dropping-SysVinit
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I'm new to Linux and I've been doing a lot of research on various distros. Not because I need one in particular but just to understand what sets them all apart. It's fun to figure out and I've learned a lot of new terminology. As embarrassing as this is to say I didn't even know what Flatpak was until yesterday.
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>>108040734
Good, they should have dropped SysVinit ages ago. Nobody should be using it anymore.
It would be interesting if they added OpenRC or other support to it though.
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>>108040197
It's not signed by your distribution so you have to manually sign it yourself. If you're wanting a locked down system where only your distributions keys are trusted then it's useless to you.
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>>108040989
>It's not signed by your distribution
Yeah but doesn't compiling the kernel module during boot sign it?
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>>108040777
understandable. i've been using linux for 20 years and haven't used flatpak before either
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>>108040993
No, because it's a proprietary binary blob that your distribution wants nothing to do with and only offers for convenience.

If you're talking about the built-in kernel drivers or nvidia-open then they may sign that. Things have definitely improved even though NVIDIA is still the prime example of "What not to do", they are slowly getting better.
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>Play a .webm on firefox
>Audio sounds weird as hell, constant crackle
>Download it and play using mpv
>Sounds fine
This is happening in multiple distros. Haven't tested Windows yet. What's going on?
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>>108041005
>>108040993
Also, yes, you may be able to build it yourself and sign it with YOUR keys but that's no good if you want a locked down system that only trusts your distro and has self-signed keys (i.e you want to make sure that your system can only ever use modules distributed by your distribution)
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>>108041046
*only trusts your distro and has no self-signed keys
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>>108038188
I believe the original debian wallpaper was red logo with blue and white background
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>>108040414
Ignore that guy mint is fine and aside from the updater and software center being separate apps the other two things he said arent true.
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>>108039506
I've noticed all these "immutable" distros like bazzite and aurora that are supposed to somehow be noob friendly actually just exist for devs to fellate their own egos with.
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What's the best way to sync my music library to my Walkman? Right now, I just remove the MicroSD and drag and drop folders, but as you can imagine, it's tedious, time-consuming, and it's easy to miss something.
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why is alt+click not working (mint, brave, 4chan x)
also why is the font size so small even though I set it larger (both system and brave)
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>>108041206
If you value your time you use the streaming app of your choice on your phone.
You chose this tedious time-consuming way now live with it.
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>use "bazzite"
>use "cachyos"
>use my flavour of the month distro
No thanks, I'll stick with Debian
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>>108040468
From my experience with a 2080, the performance kinda sucks (think 50% drop) and you get issues in certain games, but generally you have fewer issues all around.
I expect the first two points to be ironed out. Personally, I wouldn't use the propietary drivers anymore, but I'm also very stubborn.
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>>108041013
Check if you have appropriate codecs, if not file a bug report.
I too have noticed other firefox (and its forks) bugs, when I switch tabs sometimes there's flickering, this happens at least on two different machines running different distros, it doesn't happen on ESR though, pretty sure mozilla is fucking up firefox badly.
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>>108041013
Perhaps your distro doesn't package Firefox with working hardware acceleration.
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>>108038058
That's reddit in general, the entire site is built around farming upvotes, so all you'll ever see is the same type of posts, same social/political opinions, etc.
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updated cachy and now cinnamon looks like this pos, how do I change how it was previously?
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>>108041297
>>108041361
I'm sure Ubuntu ships with the appropriate codecs and working hardware acceleration, since it was working fine just a few updates ago.
I also checked on CachyOS and it was broken but I'm unsure whether codecs and hardware acceleration are working there.
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How can I get additional keyboard languages and autocorrect on Ubuntu-based distributions?
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>>108041257
Because you got memed into using Shitmint.
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Hardened my VPS lads. Only one port is open for SSH (I won't tell you which one, but it's not 22) and I can see that attempted connections to that port (besides me) are rare.
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>Bill and Melinda Gates donated so much to AIDS research because they themselves have an STD Bill got from a Russian hooker on jeff’s island.
Lol Windows is officially an AIDS operating system.
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>be in UK
>try to net install devuan using deb.devuan.org cdn
>it starts downloading from australian servers at low speed

Thought the cdn was meant to find a server close to you like Debian?
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>>108041788
Check your DNS. Unless it uses something like Cloudflare that has Anycast then the CDN you hit will be dependent on whatever response your upstream resolver receives.

Best to add a local mirror manually if you want to be sure you're hitting a mirror closest to you.
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>>108041803
I don't think it does. Looks like it just returns a big set of IPs from multiple providers all over the world on a reverse dns lookup. I know Debian always goes through fastly. There wasn't a single mirror in the UK.
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>>108041895
Yes, from the looks of it it hits deb.rr.devuan.org CNAME which then rotates between each of them. That's exactly what you expect from a basic load-balanced DNS system.

You should add a local mirror yourself.
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>>108038000
Honestly, there's no reason to use a non-Arch Linux at this point, maybe Debian just for servers.
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>>108041412
>cachy meme
Just use Arch
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How do I manually run trim on my SSD? I know systemd does it automatically but I don't trust automated systems.
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>>108041979
>there's no reason to use a non-Arch Linux at this point
This. SteamOS (Arch btw) literally won the Linux desktop war.
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>>108042010
You mean indirectly? Because using SteamOS itself for your desktop computer seems like ass.
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>>108040196
I just want COSMIC to be a selectable desktop environment on Debian. Maybe they should retire LXDE and put that in its place.
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>>108039062
Ignore all those posts about immutable shit like bazzite and just install them either mint or ubuntu like everyone else does.
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>>108042007
 sudo fstrim -a -v 

That will TRIM all mounted SSDs on your system.
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>>108042007
sudo fstrim -av
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>>108042191
>Ignore all those posts about immutable shit
Aka ignore the idiotproofed distros

>and just install them either mint
And install literal outdated garbage
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>>108041627
>he fell for the mint is shit meme
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>>108042207
>idiotproofed
They're for developers not for new users.
>literal outdated garbage
>le stable is bad meme
And you wonder why nobody likes you when you're always repeating the same FUD ad nauseam every thread.
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>>108042191
>Mint
Meme distro.
>Ubuntu
Server distro.
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>>108041275
Its just one user forcing those distros and whenever someone mentions to use a normal distro like debian or arch he starts seething.
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Do they actually expect a dumb roastie to know how to use tails?
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>>108042210
>meme
>>108042234
>FUD
You got any more buzzwords in there
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>>108042234
>They're for developers not for new users.
Linux is for developers not average PC users
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>>108042265
Says who?
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>>108042259
I think its more to show another usecase but you can do the same thing with a vpn or mobile data
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>>108041412
I don't really understand why recommending arch based distros started being a thing when shit like manjaro and endeavour always break
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>>108042275
Normies who are as dumb as this >>108042234
Linux is for programmers and hackers
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>>108042327
All you've done is re-quote my post.
>Linux is for programmers and hackers
Again, says who?
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>>108042358
diddysoft
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>>108041412
roll back to snapshot, you did use limine/btrfs didn't you?
You won't be able to upgrade or install packages until you're willing to update though so hopefully its a bug and they fix it soon lol, otherwise time to switch to kde
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>>108042367
>diddysoft
Sounds like someone who uses NixOS.
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>>108042358
Says (you)
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>>108042410
I didn't say that though.
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Does anyone seriously like Gnome? Why?
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>>108042293
>vpn or mobile data
Those wouldn't help you when your device is under surveillance. How you are going to get and use Tails in such a scenario though is a different topic.
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>>108042447
You can start liking anything if you just use it enough and get used to it
Also GNOME isn't that bad, its like, mediocre.
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>>108041979
Gentoo
Nix/Guix
Alpine for servers
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>>108038512
>RHEL kernels support neither ZFS nor Btrfs.
Btrfs isnt baked in the rhel kernels like every other kernel?
>there is nothing that makes Btrfs better than ZFS specifically on a single drive.
Only thing i can think of is that zfs isreally bad at handling swapfiles compared to btrfs.
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>>108042447
>Does anyone seriously like Gnome?
>seriously
not really. I just use niri for my laptop now.
>Why?
dconf, tweaks and like 5 extensions. Dont use it anymore, still got parents on it, less for them to fuck things up. Might move them to cosmic in 2 years or so when they fix shit.
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>>108039412
Is UBlue shill also the bazzite and aurora shill?
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>>108042510
No reason to use any of those over Arch. Using anything else is basically contrarianism at this point.
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>>108042630
>No reason
>Alpine
Musl
>Gentoo
To compile stuff with custom flags
>NIx/Guix
Setting everything up in one config file.
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Is it really a good idea to install Steam in a chroot jail? Sure you isolate it from the file system, but you also give it root privilege.
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>>108039062
CachyOS KDE, unironically.
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>>108042661
>CachyOS KDE
>For Parents
False flag at this point
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>>108042646
You're supposed to drop privileges to run steam once in the chroot and only need root privileges to enter the chroot.
>Is it really a good idea
Don't know, never done it.
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>>108042681
I have a feeling the anon always shilling cachyos is also the ublue shill.
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>>108042644
>Alpine
hope postmarketos gets more traction after google's android shit last year
>Nix/Guix
i like nix packages. Last time I tested guix it was really slow pulling updates, besides that it was great.
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>>108039957
>>108038282
firewalld was the issue. i disabled it and now everything works.
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>>108042681
>>108042709
It's just a dipshit /v/irgin who never even heard of Linux until /v/ started shilling gaymer distros like Cachy
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>>108042646
What? I would you even do that? Steam runs in user mode.
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>>108042798
It just works, keep being mad lol
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>>108042646
I've ran steam as a different user, but it wasn't worth the trouble to set it up on my new system.
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>>108042809
It's a bloated meme distro for retards, just use Arch
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>>108042832
Arch doesn't just work :^)
Stay hating.
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>>108042844
>Arch doesn't just work
Yep, you're a confirmed retard. You'll need to switch to Arch anyway when CachyOS inevitably gets dropped like every other Arch spinoff.
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>>108042832
I thought cachy was supposed to have all packages built with lto and x86_64-v3 ? That's something Arch doesn't have. A real bloated meme distro would be bazzite.
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>>108041206
does it have wifi or a ftp server you can use? that's the easiest way but will be much slower
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Linux users when a distro just works
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCKING BLOATED NORMALFAG SHIT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>108042869
Yes, we've done a great job gatekeeping retards until now. Valve fucked everything up by attracting the brown masses of adults who still play video games.
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>>108042878
You are truly mentally ill bro
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>>108042527
>Btrfs isnt baked in the rhel kernels
No. They don't want to support it. They don't want anything to do with zfs either, but it's the unofficially official OpenZFS Linux kernel anyway.

It's just a less good filesystem with a much greater propensity for regressions if you step outside the handful of kernels people actually use it with. There are some things only zfs can do, but if your use case is outside that just stay away and ignore idiots larping as oughties Solaris admins.
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>>108042884
You're an grown man that still plays video games.
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>>108042905
Who said anything about video games? Projecting aren't we?
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>>108042802
I have a game with a known LFI exploit.
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>>108042917
Is this game linux native? And knowing the game has an exploit, why would run Steam as root? Both Steam and WINE/Proton run in user mode, a Windows game with an exploit won't be able to do anything in your system, at worst it will fuck up the Proton prefix.
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>>108042905
I'm a grown man who can afford video games to play, yes, unlike your unemployed ass. Sit the fuck down, kid.
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I think we should rename /fglt/ to /ltt/ - Linux Tech Thread desu
This place hasn't been friendly in ages
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>>108042646
chroot isn't a jail
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>>108042934
>Is this game linux native?
Yes.

>knowing the game has an exploit, why would run Steam as root?
I wouldn't, hence my doubts on chroot tutorials that run Steam with root privilege.
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>>108042934
>Both Steam and WINE/Proton run in user mode, a Windows game with an exploit won't be able to do anything in your system, at worst it will fuck up the Proton prefix.
Is this really true?? I check everything I download just to be extra sure, but knowing this, maybe it was a waste of time-
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>>108043240
It is true, unless the exploit explicitly targets a bug within WINE and the Linux kernel, but 99.999% of the time it will target bare Windows systems.
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Anyone else here hyped for whatever gaben will slap on his steam machines as far as the desktop side of things goes?

The last major update for Steam OS was years ago. I doubt they're gonna do the whole Steam Machine project with all the effort that goes into that, without giving steam OS a nice overhaul? Especially since the marketing is highlighting that steamboxes are gonna be fully fledged desktop PCs. and there's suspiciously not any screenshots of the actual OS shown on their site.

not trying to shill for steam, but i am very curious what the OS might look like and if they bring any big new apps, features, highly polished version of KDE or whatever
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>get new mobo
>install os
>neither front panel or i/o panel audio werks
le sigh, why is audio always an issue?
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>>108043528
>Pipewire ontop of PulseAudio and JACK on top of ALSA
Wanna bet VALVe bails us out of this again
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>>108043522
I'm more interested in the Steam Frame and what SteamOS will be like on that. I just hope the pricing is good for it.

In terms of their desktops I think it's a good move to normalise Linux on the desktop but not something I'm particularly interested in. I'm never getting rid of my Gentoo and Arch systems to replace with SteamOS.
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>>108043522
Wasn't implied that the new Steam Machine would come bundled with a new Steam OS specifically targeted to desktops? At least it gave me that impression.
What worries me is whether it will be immutable or not.
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>>108043522
more excited for the lepton waydroid whatever it is. I hate my phones.
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>>108043545
>I just hope the pricing is good for it
How much would you be willing to pay? My guess is between $500 - $1000
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>>108043539
It's actually PulseAudio and JACK on top of PipeWire which is itself on top of either ALSA or JACK.
The architecture of PipeWire is not as insane as it sounds when you look into what each layer actually does.

PipeWire and JACK serve professional audio applications
The PulseAudio layer is there for games and desktop crap that don't need low-latency / realtime audio
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>>108043539
praying to gaben for redemption as we speak.

the extra silly thing is that USB-Audio.conf does list the correct codec but not my specific board, and therefore doesn't work barring future kernel updates lmao
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>>108043559
That's what I had in mind. They haven't announced pricing yet though.

My ideal price bracket would be no more than £600 so $500-$800 USD.
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>>108043522
I would like it to be a 1 to 1 experience, similar to how plugging in a Steam Deck to a docking station works.
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>>108043545
yeah more linux users, more support, and i really like what steam has been doing with wine/proton, i'd love if it worked on productive software as well. i would really love photoshop on linux (i'm sorry gimptards but that shit is ass)

>>108043549
>Wasn't implied that the new Steam Machine would come bundled with a new Steam OS specifically targeted to desktops?
i didnt see that. however the old steam OS already has a fully KDE desktop (you can switch between that and 'steam mode' afaik). was just hoping it gets a major update
>What worries me is whether it will be immutable or not
what's the deal with all the immutable distros lately? i havent used linux on the daily for a long time, i dont think it was rly a thing back when my dailydriver was ubuntu. are immutable systems just easier to service? i heard it's harder to install drivers etc tho dunno if i'm misinformed
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>>108043812
>i heard it's harder to install drivers etc
It is
Hypothetically its more stable, but none of the neckbeards here are using a immutable distro since they love ricing their shit and spending hours fixing broken installs, so we wouldn't know
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>>108043522
Only excited for the new Steam controller, SteamOS will never be a real desktop OS and that's fine.
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>>108043522
It's plain KDE with some Valve specific processes, including telemetry and user data brokering. Of course Steam is there along with gayming functionality too.
Do you think this giant company is doing it because they are So Nice? Think again.
>>
Does anyone use Devuan?
>>
is wlroots the highest-performance wayland compositor?
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>>108039156
>Once the next point release comes out, you still need to manually change your sources to the next point release
bullshit, I started out on 22.2 and i'm on 22.3 right now.
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>>108044011
I use regular Debian. The standard init these days is systemd and every troubleshooting guide will presume you have it.
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>immutable distro
never heard of this before, but i've been out of the linux loop for a long time
what are the pros and cons?
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>>108044535
You're better off asking google because nobody here since nobody here uses one.
(I'm not the autist that hates them for no reason, its just not something /g/ is interested in)
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>>108044535
The pros: It's harder to fuck it up, deliberately or otherwise. Cons: It makes doing everything that isn't within the intended scope of the distro more difficult.
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>>108038031
>Install Concord
No.
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>>108041979
Only shitters and tinkertrannies use Arch
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>>108038058
>subreddits are borderline unusable.
Correct.
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>>108037958
pufferfish wit da big ass lip
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>>108044882
And what distro does everyone else use?
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>>108044535
It's a cautionary tale about what happens when you give kids unsupervised access to smart devices before age 15.
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>>108041257
>>108041627
it's working now
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recommend me some fun mouse cursors to use, I want some silly ones to choose from
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I've been on Artix the past few months because of the le systemd bad meme. Finally got a new laptop so I figured I'd distro hop again and installed balls-basic Fedora.

Man. I forgot what it was like for things to just werk lol why did I torture myself for so long.
>>
Contrary to what /g/ says there is nothing wrong with running Debian Stable on a desktop instead of just on servers. Literally the most solid distro for almost anything I'd want to do on a computer and very well documented. Been on it for almost a year now without running into any breaking updates, bugs or other stability issues.
>But outdated packages!
For the most part it really does not matter unless you have very specific needs. And there's always backports, third party repos and packages, flatpaks, building from source etc. if you really need something to be more up to date. The notion that you go for rock solid stability by default and for the more updated packages only if you need them for something is ideal really. Maximum comfort achieved.
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>>108045409
Ok, there's nothing wrong with it... but why would you want to? It's not the easiest distro to install or use. It doesn't have the most up to date software. Nobody on desktop gives a fuck about stable ABI.
So why?
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>>108045435
>Flash Debian KDE to USB
>Calamares just werks
>Boot into OS
>Discover just werks
When does it becomes difficult to use?
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>>108042905
As we all know, shitposting on 4chan is a productive adult pastime.
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>>108045469
I didn't say it was difficult to use. I said it wasn't the easiest to use distro. You could say exactly the same shit you just said about EndeavourOS. Except maybe the discover part, I don't remember if it had discover installed by default.
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>>108045435
>It's not the easiest distro to install or use
It has a graphical installer so unless you are tech illiterate it's piss easy to set up. Honestly the only thing to watch out for in the install process is that it likes to make a 1GB swap partition unless you manually configure it which is small as shit for most PCs but you can always configure swap later.
After installation you don't really need to do too much. A lot of stuff is preinstalled to the point where you can just launch Firefox and start playing a Youtube video or whatever and for everything that does need setting up you can just Google it. Honestly I don't see a point in using an easier Debian spinoff when it's already this easy but I guess if you never want to see the terminal (I like using one) or in general don't care to have a basic grasp of how Linux works then there's some even more no effort "it just works" distros. And if you are a major hobbyist or a developer etc. there's Arch but as an intermediate user it caused me stress to always worry about everything when I was on it.

Unrelated but counting the fucking spikes on the stars is annoying when you've been drinking.
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>>108045486
>could say exactly the same shit you just said about EndeavourOS
It doesn't come with Discover because Arch's repo metadata doesn't even work with Discover.
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>>108044890
Puffy... sex...
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>>108045505
"It isn't the easiest distro to install and use" doesn't mean "It is very hard to install and use".
I have installed Debian before (not through Calamares though), and yes it was easy. In any case, that's irrelevant. What I am lacking is the understanding why you'd want to use Debian over pretty much anything else.
There are tons of distros that are piss easy to install. Most of them in fact.
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>>108045560
>why you'd want to use Debian over pretty much anything else
A whole lot of reasons:
>Doesn't give you update notifications every 5 minutes unlike Fedora or Arch
>Doesn't have Snap bullshit unlike Ubuntu
>Doesn't make you install codecs unlike Fedora or OpenSUSE
>Updates don't break your system unlike Arch
>Actually has good desktop environments unlike Mint
It's comfy.
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>>108045560
It's not like Debian is the only good choice or anything, just that it's a very nice desktop OS even though people keep parroting it's only good for servers. It hits a sweet spot in many ways, well documented, well supported, stable, not so bleeding edge that it needs constant babysitting but also not so retardproof it prevents you from doing what you want like atomic distros and what not. Again, there are other good options that tick at least some of the same boxes but while you ask why Debian, I ask why not Debian when the only downside I can think of (older packages in official repo) is no problem for me
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>>108042613
Yes, both are made by Ublue
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>>108045505
I think 1GB or 2GB swap gets suggested if you are on a low memory/storage system. Debian 13 has been suggesting swap equal to the memory in the guided partitioning.

I generally leave it out and make a swap file later for more flexibility and then enable zswap in grub.
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I never use swap partitions because I don't like the write amplification. Zram or bust.
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Debian is the only sane choice for stability and not re-installing your system every year. You can put it on a potato or high end system and it'll just work. You can leave that system off for years and still be in the support cycle or just upgrade to the next release.
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>>108045750
Maybe they changed it with 13, installing 12 even on a system with a 1 TB SSD and 16 GB of RAM it wanted to make a 1 GB swap partition. Unless you consider 16 GB low memory I guess, it's a little on the lower side these days which is why I got more since then.
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in the olden days we used to defragment our mechanical hard drives to get all the free space together at the end so it could be turned into a linux partition

how do we do that with these newfangled solid state drives?
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>>108045796
Sorry OCD bro, your Linux partition is all over the SSD like a shotgun blast because that's not a problem anymore.
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>>108045775
>>108045750
I installed Debian 13 twice on a laptop with 8GB of RAM:
>The netinstall .iso creates a 2GB swap partition
>Calamares in the KDE live ISO creates no swap partition
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>>108045796
Defragmenting flash memory is retarded
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>>108045796
There's a thing called TRIM...
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>>108045764
I put Debian on an age old netbook with Intel fucking Atom and 1 GB RAM, stuck a USB drive to it and it became a very functional file server for my friend group. Comfy stuff.
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>>108045829
12 has suggested me 1GB. 13 suggests 2GB. If your storage and ram is on the low side it won't suggest swap to be the same as memory I think.

I avoid using Calamares as it's not gone well with encrypted setup (no /boot).
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What does GPU acceleration or GPU based means when it comes to terminal emulators?
Long version of the same question: I use kitty. Recently I learned it was made by the same jeet who fucked up calibre with AI bullshit so I wanna try some other options. Kitty is "GPU based" so I looked for other GPU whatever terminals. I tried ghostty and after quite some time tardwrangling openGL, I managed to make it work, but as soon as I open it it increases CPU usage and makes the computer jump up 20 °C. Not at all usable. Why do these terminals use GPU or advertise as being GPU accelerated? What does that do if the terminal is mostly text? Should I care for it and keep looking for GPU accelerated alternatives? I don't really use much of the eye candy, I just want pretty colours to identify different file types easily (and I like being able to control terminal background opacity, cause I love my wallpapers). Should I even give a shit about any of this?
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>>108045970
It means the rendering runs on the GPU and if your terminal is using 20% GPU usage then ditch it.

Try Alacritty, it's also GPU accelerated but is not heavy on the resource usage. You could even reasonably run it with Llvmpipe/softpipe and not know a difference.
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>>108045905
I've got mine on Debian 12 and hopefully LTS support includes i686.
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>>108045627
Arch doesn't give you any update notifications, because updating on Arch is completely manual.
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>>108046176
It would also be pointless when you get the notification literally every day. It is a rolling release so it is always time to update. When you do that is up to you but there are always updates.
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Imagine being on a rolling release distro like Arch downloading updates every day to wear your SSD down. There's a reason why I'm old and stable.
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>>108046229
>Debian: The Chink SSD's OS of Choice
I like that. They should use that as their official tagline.
Then Arch can get a tagline that just reads:
>Korean SSDs mog your Debian:
>(Over N terabytes of updates and no breakage)
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>>108041979
arch is for people who want to pretend to know what they're doing but don't realise you can do the same kind of installation with debian and that they will never be gentoo
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>>108046283
Debian Sid is not really comparable to Arch.
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>>108042259
why would you assume someone suffering domestic violence is a woman?
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>>108046289
Because men can hit back?
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>>108046229
>wear your SSD down
so hhhh a made up issue that doesn't exist unless you're literally using a 64 gb OCZ drive from the early 2010s?
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>>108046295
domestic violence is not just physical. people who want to put men in a bad light like to suggest it's only physical, because they know women are even worse than men at domestic violence if you include all kinds
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>>108046295
What if you're a wee lad and your mother or older sister is beating you
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>>108046309
You can still hit back. Ask me how I know.
>>108046306
There's no stopping the emotional manipulation bullshit if that's what you mean. Just cut them off.
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>>108046318
>There's no stopping the emotional manipulation bullshit if that's what you mean. Just cut them off.
if it was always that easy, you could tell the physically beaten women to just walk away, too
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>>108046318
>You can still hit back
I knew a guy who was molested by his big sister between the ages of 8-14 and she only stopped because he'd finally grown enough to physically resist.
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>>108046326
They definitely could just walk away unless they're literally locked in and can't escape (disgusting behaviour that does unfortunately happen).
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>have a source port game (native)
>want to "pin to start" in KDE
>create a .desktop file on the desktop
>pick the file and set it to open in the file's cwd
>no icon
>use 7zip to extract icons from the .exe in the bundle
>set the icon
>still no way to get it on the start menu
>move the .desktop to .local/share/applications
>shows up in "lost and found"
>use menu editor to move it to games
>add to favorites

I feel like I took a very circuitous route but what is the intended way to do this? I miss being able to find some random .exe I downloaded and say "pin to start" and it just shows up. I won't give Windows that much credit through because w11 has a bug where that randomly does nothing and you have to unpin and pin again.
As far as early moves go, bundling icons inside executables was a stroke of genius that I only now appreciate
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>>108046340
Add "Categories" and "Icon" lines to the .desktop file and specify the games category/icon path
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>>108045215
bone cursor
https://www.pling.com/p/2136527/
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>>108046229
You ain't a chad if you have no impulse control. I can easily go over a week without updates. More if the updates are really boring.
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>>108041275
Cachy is Arch with installer.
>>108040197
There's this meme about Secure Boot doing more than just checking EFI-executable signatures. Apparently some OS implementations use EFI keys themselves to whatever purposes, idk.
>>108046229
Not sure if memeing or serious. Binary updates do basically zero writes, look at their size. I used to have a Gentoo testing installation on 500GB picrel with timed DAILY updates. It caused 2% wear in a year which is huge IMO.
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Okay, but SURELY the SSD wear from swap is bad?
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>>108046478
Which is why most use zram swap instead of partition swap.
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>>108046443
>Not sure if memeing or serious. Binary updates do basically zero writes, look at their size. I used to have a Gentoo testing installation on 500GB picrel with timed DAILY updates. It caused 2% wear in a year which is huge IMO.
that's why you make /var/tmp/portage a ramdisc
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>>108046478
Yep.
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>>108046478
Well you tell me. This is Arch Linux with swap on the SSD, you should be able to math out the SSD age yourself.
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>>108042255
>arch
>normal
pick one
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>>108046503
Source?
Aren't Debian and Debian derivatives (Ubuntu, Mint) all using partition swap?
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Fedora or openSUSE?
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>>108046593
Those aren't the most popular distros as of late, and Debian KDE doesn't set up a swap partition.
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>>108046651
I really just don't see the point of OpenSUSE.
>The repositories are smaller
>Not as well-tested as Fedora
>The information online isn't as helpful
>Unlike RPMFusion (which is just a Fedora Project/Red Hat legal loophole), Packman is not co-maintained with the OpenSUSE repos, thus installing updates too soon can break multimedia codecs
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>>108046651
Fedora for buggy and latest software. openSUSE (the lts one) if you want lots of bloat admin utilities and 32 bit support.
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>>108046667
>Fedora for buggy
????
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>>108046667
Also, OpenSUSE Leap (the LTS one) doesn't even come with 32-bit support
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>>108046593
Ubuntu these days creates a swap.img in the root directory.

>>108046653
Debian installer sets up a swap partition in guided partitioning regardless of desktop environment. I'm not sure about the live isos with the Calamares installer.
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>>108046668
There was a kernel update that broke my thinkpad's wifi. I had to ditch it as each kernel update never seemed to fix it and they don't make it easy to redownload an old kernel.
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>>108041275
>flavor of the month
I have been using Cachy for more than a year now.
Debian is ass and stuck in the past.
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>>108046706
>Debian installer sets up a swap partition in guided partitioning regardless of desktop environment. I'm not sure about the live isos with the Calamares installer.
Refer to: >>108045829
The Live ISO through Calamares doesn't set up swap.
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>>108046713
what model Thinkpad?
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>>108046713
>redownload an old kernel
Fedora doesn't delete old kernels unless the GRUB partition starts running out of space.
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>>108046734
It was a T410.
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>>108046478
Theoretically yes. Practically it doesn't matter. Especially if you have something approaching enough RAM. You should still use zram for performance reasons.

Also Linux doesn't have special processes with different memory allocation priority, so you need an OOM killer service to prevent UI hangs.
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Is there any software similar to Maplesoft maple for Linux (and also open source)?
Need to make sure my meters, kelvin, etc. are correctly cancelled out.
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>>108047233
Look into SageMath
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>>108046176
>Arch doesn't give you any update notifications, because updating on Arch is completely manual.
If you use any GUI app store like pamac then you will get update notifications in your systray. And I like GUI app stores because I'm not a terminaltranny
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>>108047501
arch is bleeding edge, so every day you get an update
there's no need for notifications, you just update every single day
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>>108047551
There's no reason to update that often.
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>>108047562
You can update whenever you feel like it, tard. He's saying notifications are pointless when you're expecting a new update to be available every day anyway.

If you're not going to update immediately then why do you even need a notification?
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>>108047583
I'm not the guy getting notifications. I think those are every bit as pointless as updating every day. Actually these two pointless things go hand in hand.
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>>108047583
>If you're not going to update immediately then why do you even need a notification?
To let me know an update exists?
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>>108047596
If you do want notifications then you can easily use the
checkupdates
command from pacman-contrib.

Feel free to make a script along the lines of:
checkupdates && notify-send "Updoots available"
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>>108039560
This is just a bunch of lies. It reads like it was made by a pedeophile with a micropenis. A true poindexter made this shit.
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>>108047599
I don't know what pacman-contrib is. I just want my operating system to have systray notifs by default that I can click on and get a pretty "Update" button; Discover accomplishes this on non-Arch Plasma distros.
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>>108039999
>the normies we're manipulating with our commie disruption don't care, so neither should you.
>next big thing
>shove it up your ass
Fag
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>>108047632
I'm pretty sure Discover does that on Arch too. I think it has a pacman plugin. Although the Arch maintainers do not recommend using it.
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>>108047655
Don't -Sy without updating. Don't use that plugin. You will break your install.
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>>108047655
Discover may be broken on Arch, but there's also pamac (not to be confused with pacman)
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>>108047657
It's fine to -Sy without updating however you should then take care NOT to
pacman -S 
and MUST
pacman -Syu 
to avoid a partial update situation.
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>>108047661
I don't think pamac addresses that warning either though (will it merge pacnew files?).

Basically, the Arch maintainers still expect people to be manually updating. I think Cachy (or maybe it's Endeavour, I forget which) actually comes with some GUI tools for merging pacnew files properly though and will show the diff to you and let you edit them, etc.
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>>108047682
Another win for Manjaro's release model
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>>108047632
There is nothing like that in the official repos. But you can get octopi from the aur. It has its own notifier that you can add to autostart.
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>>108043564
it's probably bullshit, but to me jack sounds better than pipewire for music playback.
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The Notepad++ hack has me reinstalling my gaming system, and I'd like to move to linux on that one too.
I've been using debian and arch based distros for over a decade now, and last I remember NVIDIA drivers were still a fucking mess on arch.
Which distro is gonna give me the least issues for gaming? It's the one application I never used linux for.
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>>108048261
The hack was patched in like December, anon.
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>>108048285
Yeah but I installed updates while it was active so god knows what might be lurking on my system right now.
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>>108048261
>Which distro is gonna give me the least issues for gaming?
As long as it has KDE Plasma they'll all be basically the same for gaming.
>Debian KDE
>Tuxedo OS
>Ultramarine KDE/Fedora KDE (Ultramarine is just a Fedora fork with codecs and NVIDIA drivers preinstalled)
These are all self-maintaining operating systems that just werk, but if you have an RTX 50 series GPU you shouldn't use Debian because the latest NVIDIA drivers aren't available for it (not in an easy to install way anyhow).
Bazzite is great for HTPC's but I wouldn't use it as a desktop daily driver.
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>>108048261
I know someone who uses Ubuntu 25.10 for gaming on an Nvidia card and apparently it works well
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>>108048449
Can we not recommend Snapshit
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>>108048455
It literally doesn't matter, you can uninstall snaps and just install debs if you want
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>>108048472
>and just install debs if you want
It is not easy to do this. You have to do command line bullshit to install an unmolested Firefox.
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Is Manjaro good or is it a meme?
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>>108048525
If you want easy Arch then use Endeavour or Cachy
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>>108048550
What’s the benefit of Endeavour over Manjaro?
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>>108048554
It's pure Arch instead of the frankenstein Arch that Manjaro is.
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>>108048525
Manjaro is good, it has a slower update frequency compared to regular Arch/other Arch-based distros, so the devs actually test and fix stuff before shipping updates. You're never gonna have to do manual intervention on Manjaro whereas you do on Arch/other Arch-based distros. The only actual problem with Manjaro is that, since it is somewhat out of date compared to upstream Arch, it's often not compatible with the AUR. Good riddance though, because the AUR is a hellhole that's constantly getting DDOS'd and is full of malware anyway.
>>108048554
If you want to use the AUR. If you don't, then use Manjaro over Endeavour. CachyOS remains the best Arch experience for people willing to do occasional manual intervention.
>>108048565
Frankenstein?
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>>108048565
Okay, thanks
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>>108048577
Thanks for this. I’m on Debian as of now, so updates and software recency is not a big issue for me, Manjaro seems a good fit for me maybe
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>>108048595
May I ask why you want to jump ship from Debian? if software recency is not an issue, I'd say you may as well stay on Debian.
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>>108048609
I had never looked into Arch based distros, so I thought that I’d look into exploring them, using Manjaro possibly as an entry point
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>>108048627
If you want to learn Arch, well, all distros are Linux under the hood at the end of the day. If you want Arch-specific knowledge and I mean super Arch-specific, everyday Manjaro usage is unlike other Arch-based distros due to its release model.

Basically, if you want to use Manjaro because it gives you the optimisation of Arch but with a weekly/monthly update schedule, then go ahead and use Manjaro. But if you want to use it as a stepping stone towards Arch in general, it's not gonna teach you much about Arch.
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>>108048664
Okay, thanks for this detailed analysis, it sort of sounds like Arch’s equivalent of Ubuntu to Debian, if you understand. I’d be okay with that. I’ll run it on a live disc and check it out
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>>108048261
Literally every distro uses the same proprietary Nvidia driver with open kernel modules. That includes arch. The only difference is that on some distros you get outdated drivers, but you don't want that. Nvidia drivers get worse as you go back in time.
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>>108048261
Mint hasn't given me too many problems but it depends on the games you play. The nvidia drivers work fine on my desktop with an nvidia geforce GTX 1070. Most of the games I want to play run fine. I lose about 10-30% performance than on Windows but still playable.
Pic-related is running Mint on my Surface Pro. I run into more thermal throttling issues than on windows after about 20 minutes of gaming. On Windows it might play a bit longer but would suddenly just crash or freeze and I'd have to force shut down. At least now it only starts to lag and I just quit the game and wait a few minutes for it to cool down then I can play again for another 20 minutes. I'm surprised how well it can game on Linux for such a thin form factor.
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>>108039062
Okay I was watching yesterday but you guys went off on one so thought I'd leave it.

But from what I got back you definitely support a KDE focused os, and something like zorin, tuxedo or ubuntu?
always shied away from ubuntu because corporate but I'll look into it

anything else I should unironically consider before this thread dies?
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>>108048397
This is the most fair balanced post about bazzite I've ever seen.
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>>108048937
Just use mint and if you don't like cinnamon just give them mint xfce.
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>>108048261
>Notepad++ hack
QRD?
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>>108048905
Is that with the linux-surface kernel?
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>>108048937
What's wrong with Mint? Printers and Scanners are really easy to set up with it. It's one of the most newb-friendly distros.
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>>108048960
Apparently since June/July last year Notepad++'s update servers may have been compromised by chinese hackers. They were patched in December.
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>>108048472
The deb for some packages like firefox and chrome are just a script to install the snap version.
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>>108048980
>What's wrong with Mint?
A single anon known as the ublue shill has been spending the last several months gaslighting everyone into believing that mint is bad and shilling his ublue distros like aurora and bazzite.
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>>108048981
They're not using github as their update server like other projects do?
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>>108049008
Apparently not.
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>>108048980
>>108048994
Mint and Ublue are both bad.
MINT:
>Mint doesn't work with modern monitors
>Mint doesn't let you right-click hard drives
>Mint's UX is fragmented as hell
>Mint users keep getting GNOME'd because Mint has a stupid default feature of automatically installing optional dependencies
>Cinnamon is ugly as sin
UBlue:
>Immutable, so you are forced into tinkering thanks to Flatpak
>Immutable, so you are forced into Windows-tier RAM usage thanks to Flatpak
>Immutable, so you are forced into Windows-tier disk usage thanks to Flatpak
>Immutable, so your themes don't even work with applications thanks to Flatpak
>Immutable, so applications take longer to load thanks to Flatpak
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New thread: >>108049051
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>>108049034
The first mint issue is more of an xorg issue than exclusively a mint issue right?
The other mint issues sound more lke cinnamon issues than mint issues since theres xfce and mate spins available but who still uses mate?
I've never seen or experienced the gnome'd issue but i think mint has --no-install-recommends as the default.
Themes should work with flatpak if you allow sandbox read access to the correct files and directories.
I've never experienced any type of windows-tier ram usage with flatpak, or applications taking longer to load.
>you are forced into Windows-tier disk usage thanks to Flatpak.
One of the worst parts of flatpak IMO.
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>>108048977
Yeah, using the linux surface kernel drivers. It was pretty straightforward to get working. I think I just need to get a fan and aim at the back or install a power controller to limit the CPU cycles. On Windows it didn't thermal throttle but it would just freeze or crash when I played for too long. I get about 20 minutes of undisturbed decent game time, and then the fans get loud and it starts to lag. Then that's when I give it a break for a couple minutes and browse the internet or something while I wait.

Thermald is already installed but it doesn't let me switch to power saving mode. I installed autocpufreq and can't really tell if it helps, yet. At least I can use power saving mode now and it does reduce the performance a little so hopefully that helps with the heat, but I think with this device, it's probably still gonna be a workout to run a game like Halo 3, especially with all the stuff that can happen during a match. The fact that it runs so smoothly when it does is impressive even with all the AI characters running around and all the particle effects and physics interactions happening.
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>>108049034
So what's a good distro for beginners?
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>>108049086
Mint with XFCE.
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>>108049067
>The first mint issue is more of an xorg issue than exclusively a mint issue right?
Sure, but Mint forces you into xorg.
>The other mint issues sound more like cinnamon issues
Mint's non-Cinnamon software like their software and update managers are still present on the Xfce and MATE editions. There's also the fact that pressing "Update" doesn't automatically update you to the next point release, since you need to go to a drop-down menu to change your sources. And there's also the fact that Mint does not by default choose the fastest mirrors based on your IP.
>Themes should work with flatpak if you allow sandbox read access to the correct files and directories.
That is true, but I also pointed out that Flatpak forces you into tinkering; you shouldn't have to do that and regular distros don't make you do that.
>>108049086
Basically anything with Plasma 6. Ultramarine KDE, Manjaro KDE, Tuxedo OS, hell even Debian KDE is more user-friendly than anything Mint.
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>>108049091
Mint Xfce is not a good distro for beginners because you're combining the technical debt of Xfce with the poor decisions of the Mint team.
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Linux Mint gaming on a Surface Pro 6.
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>>108049100
>the fact that pressing "Update" doesn't automatically update you to the next point release
Mint notifies you when theres a new point release and has a program called mintupgrade to handle the whole upgrade process.

>I also pointed out that Flatpak forces you into tinkering; you shouldn't have to do that and regular distros don't make you do that.
Yeah i think some distros have it configured for flatpak to either have their distro themes already installed or the needed directories already configured to be accessible.
In my experience the mint update manager is pretty easy to use.
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>>108049117
>the technical debt of Xfce
What do you mean?
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>>108049146
>Mint notifies you when theres a new point release
And people's instinct is to click the notification, which will open the Update Manager, and then they will instinctively press "Update" only for no updates to be found because it only checks the current point release's sources. There is a dropdown menu in the Update Manager you have to go through in order to change to the next point release, which is dumb. You'll find plenty of posts on the Mint forums where people are still on ancient versions of Mint because they assumed that pressing "Update" would bring their computer up-to-date.
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>>108049157
>What do you mean?
You've got no Wayland. You've got no superbar. You've got no easy way to disable middle-click paste. You've got no type-ahead in your file browser and must instead use type-to-search. For some setups I admit X11 is harmless, but the rest of these are dealbreakers for Windows users.
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>>108049161
>There is a dropdown menu in the Update Manager you have to go through in order to change to the next point release, which is dumb.
The official documented way is to install mintupgrade and run it from the command line but i don't know why thy havent already integrated that into the update manager
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>>108049248
>i don't know why thy havent already integrated that into the update manager
The better question is: why haven't they integrated the Update Manager into the Software Manager? Discover, GNOME Software, and Pamac all perform installs and updates within the same GUI.
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>>108049180
>superbar
>type-ahead in your file browser
?
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>>108049292
>superbar
Superbars are how the taskbar has worked in Windows 7 onwards, and in modern KDE and Cinnamon. Xfce's taskbar is like Windows Vista and prior, where the Quick Launch applet is separate from the active programs applet.
>type-ahead
In Thunar, if you press the f key twice in a directory, it will search for files beginning with "ff", and pressing the left arrow key thereafter will move the text cursor in your search field to the left; in Dolphin and Windows Explorer, if you press the f key twice in a directory, it will highlight the second file in the directory beginning with the letter f, and pressing the left arrow key thereafter will select the file to the left of what you'd just landed on.
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>>108049291
I don't really see as much of an issue with software and update manager being separate programs.
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>>108049461
>software manager doesn't manage software
It's also Windows-tier UX fragmentation.
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>>108049344
Oh thats what the superbar is called? I always thought it was just like a dock and taskbar combined.
>in Dolphin and Windows Explorer, if you press the f key twice in a directory, it will highlight the second file in the directory beginning with the letter f, and pressing the left arrow key thereafter will select the file to the left of what you'd just landed on.
Never felt the need to do this in dolphin.
>if you press the f key twice in a directory, it will search for files beginning with "ff"
Wish dolphin and the xdg-desktop-portal-kde had this since its handy and is one of the only good things about that horrible gtk filepicker.
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>>108049527
>Never felt the need to do this in dolphin
What if you want to cycle through files beginning with f? On Windows and Dolphin, you can just keep hitting the f key till you found it. This is especially useful if the folder isn't sorted by alphabetical order but something like date or filesize.
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>>108049471
Software manager manages searching for software to install. I don't really like updates being relegated to a tab. It's one of the things i dislike about f-droid and discover.
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>>108049554
>What if you want to cycle through files beginning with f?
Never needed to do this either.
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>>108046506
Roughly how much RAM usage are we talking with such a setup? With let's say something big like LibreOffice or what have you.
>>108046676
>32-bit support
As in x86 I assume. Do anons here use 32 bit PCs for anything "serious"? If it's just for the lulz: compile a 32 bit Gentoo system using your actual PC and then transfer it over, I've done that exact thing.
>>108046713
>Wi-Fi/Bluetooth breaking on kernel update
Typical. You may want to stick with 6.12 branch for now.
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>>108049635
>As in x86 I assume
As in 32-bit libraries and such.
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>>108049657
Right, I should've looked at the pic before posting. But ain't that called multilib?

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