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GNU/Linux Games:
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>>108049108
In-case you don't know, you can get the .deb file for it and install it on stable since its nothing more than a bunch of configs and shell scripts.
https://packages.debian.org/sid/lxqt-wayland-session
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Apparently spice is considered depreciated and abandoned so i asked chatgpt what the alternative is supposed to be but aside from VNC it started mentioning about an RDP backend. So does qemu have an RDP display backend or did chatgpt hallucinate it?
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Linux Mint gaming.
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>read comments under phoronix articles
>most people like KDE
>agree that AI has it's uses
>dislike rust
>make fun of GNU/Hurd
How come /g/ has opposing opinions on the above? Literally polar opposites.
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>>108049424
All of the titles I play are essentially community build. Rimworld isn't complete without workshop addons. SS14 is literally a FOSS rewrite of SS13. KSP, well, you get the idea. My hand is forced to play bullshit ubislop by my friends.
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>>108049401
It's not just Linux users. As someone who mostly plays retro games, GOG being natively supported on Linux is what is going to make me do the switch on my main PC as well.
>inb4 you can run GOG via Heroic
Yes but the games themselves need to be natively supported to work properly
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>>108049401
This: >>108049424
Metroid Dread was probably the last decent game I played. There's nothing new out that I want to go out and immediately invest hourse into. MIMESIS and Arc Raiders look kind of interesting, but those are more like streamer-bait/friend-slop. Probably more fun to watch a funny streamer play them than to download it myself and get bored in an hour.
>>108049370
Just install the recommended proprietary nvidia driver in your driver manager.
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>>108049583
>Are proprietary drivers and their updates generally handled outside of system wide software updates?
No they're usually packaged and part of your package manager. There will probably be a separate package for the 580 branch drivers until it stops working just like there was for some older drivers.
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>>108049583
>Stick to an LTS with pre 580 branch drivers?
This. My GTX 1070 works fine on Mint with the games I play.
Some of the games I've tested that run okay:
>Halo Infinite [Runs okay, might need to turn a bunch of settings down though, runs a lot better on Windows but still playable on Mint]
>Battlefield 4 [Runs okay, make sure to install punkbuster, or you'll get kicked from games, there's a tutorial to play the game on linux, just google it]
>Marvel Rivals [Meh, need to turn some settings down but playable]
>Subnautica [Excellent]
>Lethal Company [Excellent, some stutter/lag at first while shaders compile but should be fine after a few minutes]
>FF7 Remake [Excellent]
>Rise of the Tomb Raider [Excellent]
>War Thunder [Excellent]
>Minecraft [Java version, Excellent]
>Ace Combat 7 [Excellent, some audio crackling at some points but otherwise smooth]
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>>108049614
>Just install the recommended proprietary nvidia driver in your driver manager.
>>108049616
>No they're usually packaged and part of your package manager. There will probably be a separate package for the 580 branch drivers until it stops working just like there was for some older drivers.
Cool. I was overthinking it.
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>>108049635
i have 32G of ram, between that and zram it's enough. note also that you can reduce compilation memory requirements by lowering the number of cores used, though that will naturally make it take longer
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>>108049763
22.3, but this is on my Surface Pro. I don't have my desktop nearby, but it was running 22.2 a couple weeks before 22.3 released. I can't test if the 1070 works right now but I'm sure it will be the same as it was on 22.0, 22.1, 22.2 and all the previous times I've installed Mint. You just type 'driver manager' from the menu and click the recommended driver, then reboot when it tells you to and you should be able to start gaming.
Pic-related is War Thunder taken from that desktop with the 1070, cinematic (the highest) graphics on, 1080p. The game recommends playing at Ultra because 'Cinematic' is supposed to be for taking screenshots/filming, but it ran really well even on the 1070.
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>>108049872
Arch has an AUR package that has all the patches to make it work on a recent kernel.
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/nvidia-340xx
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>>108049061
arguably the worst combo. 2 fucking years stuck'd with krashes.
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Here's Soulcalibur VI on a 1070 with Mint 22.2, with the recommended proprietary nvidia driver.
1080p, +25% resolution, so technically a little higher than 1080p, at max settings. I'll post a follow up with actual gameplay.
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Game plays at 60 fps for the most part but can drop down to 55 occasionally, think it's due to shader compilation, I don't have that stuff compiled in the background, I just complile them as I play so I don't have to wait. And then the more you play the less drops you get. Or you can just download them before you play.
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GTX 1070, recommended nvidia driver, Mint 22.2, 1080p (25%+), 60 fps
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Subnautica, GTX 1070, Mint 22.2
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>>108050064
i have nothing against posting examples of video games running in linux if it's relevant to a question or answer or the like, but just posting several game clips in a row with no context/reason isn't what this thread is for
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Star Wars Shadows of the Empire [Retroarch, N64 core]
>>108050042
It's more to show anon how good his Pascal card will run and not be afraid of trying an LTS distro/driver. You don't even have to go the the nvidia website or use the terminal, it's all done through the Driver Manager. It's really painless, there's no tinkering, you just click the driver that's recommended and reboot.
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>>108050095
Sorry, just posting examples for anon to see what his 10-series card will run like with the recommended driver.
All of these are on Mint 22.2, with the 580 driver on a GTX 1070.
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>>108050145
Last one.
Timesplitters Rewind. GTX 1070, Mint 22.2, 580 driver
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My bad. Should have used the reply.
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>>108050515
Halo 3 on the MCC collection, but it's a campaign mod you can download from the steam workshop. (Ultimate Firefight Series)
You pick your character's look, weapons, then jump into a big Firefight match with random enemies/allies. After each round you can get rewards like Marines, Spartans, Vehicles, and weapons. And they're pulled from all of the games, even Halo Infinite. You fight the Banished, the Covenant, Prometheans, other humans. There's boss fights against scarabs, the prophets, the didact, etc.
There's 3 maps right now.
>Sandtrap (from Halo 3)
You play as the UNSC, and your main enemy is the Banished, but you fight other factions too, and you're allied with the Arbiter's Elites. There are bonus Colosseum fights that let you unlock friendly Banished allies/vehicles too.
>Containment (from Halo 2)
You play as a Banished Brute, and the Banished are your allies. Your main enemy is the Flood and you can also fight in the Library bonus stage from CE where you have to push through to the end while the Flood constantly chases you down. There's a clear Banished Base and Flood Base (unlike the sandtrap map where you're running and gunning while enemies approach from all around you)
>Waterworks (from Halo 2)
You play as the Swords of Sanghelios (Arbiter's faction), main enemy is the Banished. The map is dark which makes the laser/plasma projectles looks really nice and gives you a reason to use the flashlight and has a lot of tighter corridors, but also some space to drive vehicles around. Adds to the mode's variety.
Probably one of my favorite mods, there's so much replay value. It's not the most polished mod though but I love the variety and all the crazy shenanigans that can happen. It's different from AI Battle mods because of how much variation there is and they don't just spawn in the same areas. The AI can go pretty much anywhere on the maps too.
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>>108050515
And here's Containment, where you play as the Banished. The mods just work on linux too, there's no extra tinkering, you just look for the mod, subscribe to it, and it will download. Just make sure to choose the version of the game with anti-cheat disabled when you want to play the mod. To uninstall it, you just unsubscribe. There's a ton of mods for the Masterchief Collection.
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Arc Raiders keeps crashing and freezing my Linux Mint pc every 30-40 mins or so. I have no clue what the issue is, other than that they say the company is getting DDOS'd, in which case it is what it is. I suspect it's the anti-cheat that the company uses that's locking me out. I'm seriously considering a dual-boot just to game on Windows if this is how every session is going to be. Any suggestions for what I should do.
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>>108051244
not 100% certain but check this link out:
>https://steamcommunity.com/app/2073850/discussions/0/6019132517318803 69/
I think Arc Raiders uses UE5 like The Finals (they are made by the same developer), I ran into the same problem with The Finals on my gentoo rig and the method in the link fixed it.
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>>108049365
>How come /g/ has opposing opinions on the above?
The fuck are you talking about? KDE is commonly recommended here and you'll never really see anyone saying anything about Hurd other than it being a failure.
>AI
There's literally multiple AI-related threads on /g/. As for this thread, I haven't really seen much AI talk other than someone trying to set up something locally once in a while.
>rust
Most people don't care about it at all. People who hate it are usually non-programmers who hate it for political reasons, or C devs who hate it because it's described as "C but done right".
If anything most people who hate specific programming languages in general have never even used them and are just parroting irrelevant flaws they've read somewhere.
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>>108051312
>https://steamcommunity.com/app/2073850/discussions/0/6019132517318803 69/
Thanks brother, I'll give it a try and report after a while.
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Total noob when it comes to Linux, I just started moving over to it this week.
I have it installed on my laptop and server but I'm still using Windows 10 on my main PC right now.
I've been testing out some things on my laptop first, I installed Debian 13.
I picked Debian because I grew up browsing forums and remember seeing it a lot, so I was drawn to it.
I remember Debian and Gentoo being the most popular back then, or did I just hallucinate that?
Anyway, what is the general perception of Debian today? Should I just go with Ubuntu for my main machine?
I dont want to get some "gaming" distro like Bazzite, I would rather not use Fedora.
I picked Debian because I remember it and I heard that it was bare-bones but easier to setup than Arch.
Which, it was pretty easy to setup.
What I'm really looking for is a light-weight efficent distro that I can customize and tweak to my liking.
Maybe in the future I will move to Arch but I feel like too much of a noob for that right now.
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>>108051704
>I remember Debian and Gentoo being the most popular back then
When was that, in 1998? Both are pretty much irrelevant nowadays aside from Debian being a popular container image.
>total noob
>already opinionated about hating Fedora
>already looking for highly efficient and customizable distro
Arch. If you're too lazy to set it up then EndeavourOS.
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>>108051704
Ubuntu has exact same drawbacks as Debian, only advantage is that some government malware is designed for Ubuntu so you can run that easier when your distro supports snaps.
Both Debian and Arch are equally easy to set up (assuming you aren't doing a manual install on Arch). Debian just has a point release model while Arch has rolling release. That means software on Debian is updated whenever they feel like it, but Arch is constantly getting new software.
Arch is also slightly harder to maintain than Debian because you have to read pacman output during updates and merge pacnew files manually if necessary.
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>>108051743
Thx anon
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>When was that, in 1998?
2000s on image boards like this. I remember seeing Debian and Gentoo a lot. It was before Arch and Ubuntu took over.
>already opinionated about hating Fedora
I'll admit that I haven't done much research into the different distros but I have heard negative things about Fedora already.
I installed Arch on one of my other computers a few years ago and it honestly wasn't that hard but I'm just trying to be cautious with my main pc.
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This is all interesting to know. I have heard that Ubuntu is essentially just Debian but worse because of some unpopular choices by the maintainers. I went with Debian because it felt closer to the source I guess.
>Debian just has a point release model while Arch has rolling release.
Yes I have heard about this too. I suppose it isn't really a good or bad thing, just depends on your perspective. I suppose if I have support issues on Debian I could switch to Arch.
Though, I am starting to think I should just dive into Arch from the beginning instead of having to move later.
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I see I see, thanks. Its interesting to hear what people think about the different distros.
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>>108051852
>Gentoo
Gentoo was always a meme pushed by people so that normies randomly try to install it and give up on Linux. Nobody actually uses it. It probably has 0.01% Linux market share compared to something like Ubuntu which probably has 40%.
>Debian
If you want a desktop OS then avoid using Debian. What you want would be Fedora or Arch, or at least Ubuntu.
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>>108052056
coreldraw is super shit on wine, I can make stuff like the affinity programs work, but they end up being laggy and the pen tool preview is horribly buggy. Photoshop CS6 can run, but it's horrendously laggy, but photopea is a good enough alternative. Coreldraw and Illustrator don't really have a good alternative other than affinity design, but then again, there's the pen tool preview issue. I can use Inkscape, yeah, but it's a bit limited for what I do sometimes
Just truly don't want to have to dualboot windows, I don't need that shit on my drive
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>>108052122
To add: my wacom is sitting in the closet too. If I get Photoshop working it might still have issues with pressure sensitivity etc...
Maybe VM is better in the end. It shouldn't be super heavy but I'm guessing.
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>>108051923
QEMU/KVM has near native performance, I don't think you need graphics acceleration with those programs so it will be very easy. Just install qemu package and virtual manager with your distrobution's package manager, download a windows iso from microsoft and you are golden.
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>>108052858
nta but if you gonna try to replicate what you have on winblows, debian can be really a pain. not good for total newbie, but if you want to start learning and really commit from the go, deb is great since provides a stable ground.
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>>108051979
Fun Fact: Gentoo Linux is the build system that powers ChromeOS.
"Install Gentoo" was always a lighthearted way to say to someone "Gentoo probably doesn't have whatever problem you're having". Yes, it's a bit stupid to recommend a new user to install it.
I would hope they do their own research to find something usable for them. Because if you install Gentoo just because someone told you to then you're going to have it rough no matter what.
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>>108053005
>provides a stable ground.
This isn't really necessary for a desktop. LTS "stability" (as in package ABIs don't change) is something that only benefits very specific workstations or servers. On a desktop PC people usually don't need or want this.
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How much would the performance overhead be running Win10 on Boxes? Would software and games Just Work or would I occasionally run into problems with them in the same way that some shit just doesn't work well when you try to run a Linux VM on Windows?
I've been thinking of just setting up Win10 on a VM so I can run the stuff I have issues with on Wine, rather than having to troubleshoot every time.
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>>108053540
It will be a drop in replacement. A system update will override ChromeOS and replace it with Android. Besides, it's not like "install gentoo" ever meant "install ChromeOS/FydeOS".
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A VM has very little performance impact, but for GPU acceleration (games) you'll need to do a GPU passthrough. Which means you need 2 GPUs or an integrated GPU plus a dedicated one. And setting this up can be more convoluted than troubleshooting a WINE issue.
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>>108051681
Lets put it this way, I have an all AMD GPU and CPU 9600X/9070XT
On X11 with MX linux it just werks high FPS and all my programs just werk. I have to customize XFCE but what can you do.
On zorin/kubuntu with wayland it has problems. Zorin it couldnt even detect vulkan for some reason. Kubuntu gaming worked but it was like 30-40fps and I verified in terminal it was using
I disabled the igpu and PBO but still for some reason wayland refuses to just work with my PC.
In 2026 there's STILL no linux distro that just werks out of the box and also looks good out of the box with XFCE
ZorinOS lite was the last one and they discontinued it. Linux is not free from enshittification
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>>108051681
Wayland works fine aside from some niche usecases.
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>meme distros can't into wayland
What else is new?
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>>108054128
Which ones work? Also wayland doesnt have as good of screen recording as X11, still missing global keybinds, still missing lots that I need on my PC for functionality.
Doesnt work I have ventoy and I tried about every distro. Even arch with the latest KDE wayland doesn't work with my PC and thats bleeding edge kwin with the latest improvements.
Back on MX linux because it just werks.
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>>108054063
>Besides, it's not like "install gentoo" ever meant "install ChromeOS/FydeOS".
It was more meant as an example of its versatility, why people say to "install it". Gentoo is a meta-distribution, it solves real problems if you know how to use it.
I'd be very surprised if every single Chromebook gets an OTA upgrade for Android. Could be driver issues, etc. I guess we'll see how it plays out a few years from now.
It'd also be a shame if they got rid of Flex. It's a good managed system for some use-cases (they pushed hard to get businesses to adopt it "because it doesn't get viruses", etc, but its use-cases are obviously limited if you can't do eve in a web browser but for some that'll all they need)
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>>108054112
How are you running games? Could be an XWayland issue. Try using Proton GE or upstream Wine (git or staging) and enabl the native Wayland driver.
It just works for me with my 9070 XT. You have to disable Steam in-game overlay though because that breaks but I never use that anyway.
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>>108054272
It also probably wouldn't hurt to add a PPA to update Mesa as Radv and Radeonsi are constantly getting improvements and Canonical never backports Mesa.
https://launchpad.net/~kisak/+archive/ubuntu/kisak-mesa
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>>108054150
>still missing global keybinds,
Doesn't KDE literally have a toggle where you can enable this? I can't say I have any issues. Screen recording works fine and so do global shortcuts for stopping/starting screen recordings and for stuff like push to talk and toggle mute.
>Which ones work?
I would assume anything Fedora-based works since I have no such issues on Bazzite.
As for Vulkan, I have no idea why it wouldn't work for you. Never had issues on AMD. A couple of months back I tried switching between the Wayland and X11 sessions of KDE to see if there's any performance difference and there was none. Games just work.
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>>108053005
While the idea of seeing Windows 7 again through KDE does intrigue me, I think I'm going to keep moving away from Windows.
It seems kinda goofy to drop Windows for Linux and then just paint Linux like Windows. I want to try new stuff. It all seems really fascinating to me.
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>>108049557
>Yes but the games themselves need to be natively supported to work properly
what the fuck?
when was the last time you used wine? 2 decades ago? no, they don't, especially not old games
99% of everything just works zero config
>but protondb
is filled with retards using things like debian when valve employees work on the entire graphics stack including the standard making using rolling release critical
if anything the windows versions work better because most companies, if they do them at all, half ass their linux ports while the people working on wine/proton and adjacent software are actually talented, moreso than most gamedevs
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Am >>>108027052 .
Made the switch 2 days ago. Arch, Wayland, SDDM, Plasma. No regrets, got what I wanted and have to do what I expected: Got a new clean system that isn't broken and custom and beyond fixing and working on carrying over profiles, configs and what not from backup.
Except for one problem. I had this before on another machine but don't remember:
When inactive I expect lockscreen, blank and DPMS power off signal.
Everything happens but the DPMS signalling. Screens blank, screens and backlight remain on.
What do on Wayland?
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>buy high end nvidia gpu
>shader compilation before a game starts on steam makes desktop composition slow down to near single digits
seriously though, what the fuck is this shit? my piece of shit amd card worked just fine. 3d was slow, but complex things like moving the cursor had no issues
have I fucked up? I'm using nvidia-open, should I switch to the proprietary one? I have a 4070 super
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>>108054907
>be Linux user
>buy nvidia
You could try setting your compilation thread to half of your total thread:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Steam#Faster_shader_pre-compilation
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>>108051979
Debian is great for daily desktop usage because it just werks and doesn't have constant updates
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>>108054953
nvidia-open is of course not to be confused with the open source driver "Nouveau"
>>108054934
>dont go stable on kde
The latest kirigami versions have a regression that definitely affects winfags: you can no longer make the start menu icon non-square. This means no Windows 9x or XP theme for you! Luckily Debian 13's frozen on an older kirigami.
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I've been using a cheapo 5500xt for years and yeah, shader compilation is quite demanding, but I don't recall the desktop performance ever tanking while doing so, or at all really
I literally just swapped them and while performance in games is good, suddenly youtube videos struggle begin to struggle. I hope at least suspending to ram works without issues
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>>108054866
I made a dirty fix for the meantime:
https://github.com/KDE/powerdevil
Using the system settings option to execute a command or script after idle for N.
Dirty fixes was exactly the reason why I installed a completely new system. So if anyone knows how plasma should handle this pls let me know.
I can also see the gpu driver maybe.
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No wonder winfags with nshitia gpus give linux a try and think it's slow, am I supposed to gaslight myself into thinking that's acceptable for your desktop compositor not being able to keep up with a 144hz display?
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>>108055052
Me again. Solved this. Turns out the KDE system settings depend on sddm.service but wont complain when it's not running. So the solution I stick with:
Enable sddm.service
Reconfigure sddm to not automatically launch
Use system settings to configure lock screen
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>finish developing app
>get bored
>start distro hopping
>find one I like a lot more than my old one
>config/install all of my shit in an hour
>bored again
>make a home server with 2 old rigs, arr stack fully functional
>don't really care because streaming services
>bored again
>find myself sitting on youtube and 4chan in most of free time
Guys I don't really know what to do anymore. I've replaced video games with development, but that's done and I don't need a job anymore so now I'm just... fcuking bored man. Thank you for reading my blog post :3
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>>108055331
If you're playing in high resolutions then that may just be the game unless you have a 5080.
My AMD 9070 XT can struggle to run 4K@144Hz but is usually fine at 4K@60Hz or 4K@120Hz with frame gen. The 5070 TI is better but not by much.
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>>108049389
I'll consider carving out to Jewcrosoft
>>108049401
Find me a less shit version of Minecraft than <=1.6.4 and i'll consider it (I'll give modpacks for 1.12 a pass here and there i guess). They quite literally made all caves lukewarm shit for 10 years and then shat out some carved out pumpkin crap underground as an update.
>inb4 muh modern caves are still good
https://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding-java-edition /minecraft-mods/1294926-themasterca vers-world
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>>108055437
>linux thread
>lol he fell for the nvidia meme
>ai thread
>lol he fell for the amd meme
>use windows and nvidia
>have issues installing python packages
>lol he fell for the Windows meme
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Is there some distro that uses gnome apps (beautiful), but not the gnome desktop (ugly) and doesnt do things like hiding desktop icons (retarded)?
Idk how people who made a file manager this sexy (pic related) but fucked up the basic functionality of the desktop (no desktop icons, huge app icon roster, dock hides automatically, ...)
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Pop!_OS has 1x4GB swap not mounted and another cryptswap when you enable encryption. What's the point in that?
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Why does Xubuntu still go for that early 2000s silver theme as the default?
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>>108054934
Ahh ok ok, I misunderstood then.
I know its common for people coming from Windows to try and theme Linux like Windows so that it feels more comfortable for them, I thought that is what you were referring to.
As for my workflow, I have been planning around that. I'm a Mechanical Engineer so if I need something like the Autodesk Suite or Solidworks I will just use something like WINE or Winboat or VM or hell, a different computer entirely *just* for work.
Daijoubu.
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>>108056670
>Do you want a PC that just works and does everything you need for everyday tasks?
Yes: Ubuntu
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>Do you want to do anything else, advanced, or run a server?
Yes: Debian
No: See step 1 or don’t have a PC
Simple as.
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>>108049557
>Yes but the games themselves need to be natively supported to work properly
WINE is native, so no. You don't need a Linux build. I haven't seen a GOG game that doesn't work under WINE.
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Because Xfce only used by people who have early 2000s PCs
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>>108056670
Brand recognition leading to ZorinOS doesn't make any sense considering Ubuntu (an actual brand) and Mint are more recognizable and popular. The whole "right-click" category doesn't make sense. I would personally consider the difference between Zorin+Wayland+GNOME vs Mint+X11+outdated DEs to be much more significant than right clicking an external drive in Dolphin.
Kubuntu itself should be replaced with Ubuntu. It makes more sense for "brand recognition". I know "GNOME le bad" but KDE is notoriously bad on Kubuntu and most people will just do a search for "Ubuntu" and end up downloading the GNOME version anyway.
"Excessive disk & RAM usage" doesn't make sense as a category. All of these distros will have similar usage aside from Arch+wm. You're probably measuring Bazzite with the Steam client running in background (+1GB RAM use). Rename that to "Baby proof" or something.
Also why Bazzite instead of Aurora? Bazzite is specifically there for gamers and other people would find a pre-installed Steam and Lutris/Faugus to be unnecessary bloat. Desktop users who use Steam don't even make up 10% of all PC users. As the other anon said, this is way too biased and only applicable to gamers. Either replace it with Aurora or branch it to "Bazzite or Aurora".
SteamOS isn't usable on nVidia GPUs and apparently it's bad even on Intel (the most popular GPU vendor due to integrated GPUs). It's not smart to include it until there's an actual, real "SteamOS for general desktops".
So, I'd change it like this:
Branch out the "Windows 10 = Good" like this:
- "No" => Ubuntu
- "Yes" => "Do you use multiple monitors"
Then "Do you use multiple monitors" like this:
- "Yes" => Zorin
- "No" => Mint
Rename "Excessive disk & RAM usage" to "Baby proof":
- "Yes" => "Gamer?"
Then branch "Gamer?" like this:
- "Yes" => Bazzite KDE
- "No" => Aurora
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>>108056670
Gentoo is actually very easy to maintain though. The attention aspect is debatable.
I agree with >>108056823
You've written this from the perspective that the distro should do everything for you, therefore CachyOS/Arch and Gentoo BAD.
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>>108057052
A bias towards the norm isn't a bias. Most people want an OS that does everything for you, so this would technically be applicable to most people with some minor adjustments.
Also CachyOS isn't as demanding to maintain as the anon suggests. It's just confusing to new users sometimes (I see people filtered and confused by the "choose the bootloader" option).
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>>108057075
The image suggests that even though maintaining Cachy is necessary, doing so is also made sane
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>just works
>probably the most widely-supported linux distro
>supports a bunch of different cpu architectures
>suitable for servers and desktops
>btfos your favourite flavour-of-the-month distro
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>>108057146
>aside from there being a GUI
There you go. But most importantly, CachyOS comes with Btrfs snapshots completely preconfigured out of the box, which means that installing updates will never brick your computer.
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>>108057160
>CachyOS comes with Btrfs snapshots
Aren't they only preconfigured if you use Limine (which isn't even marked as a default last time I checked). I admit I could be wrong, but that's the info I have from reading various comments before.
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>>108057075
Yes, I'd agree with you but you could list those distros on the chart with less of a negative bias, for example:
>| I want to be in control of my operating system
> | Do you want to compile from source?
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> | Gentoo
> | No
> | Do you want performance optimised binaries?
> | Yes
> | CachyOS KDE
> | No
> | Archlinux
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>>108057233
>how do I do [x]
>"just do something retarded you didn't ask for and doesn't solve the problem"
Why are Linux forums always like this?
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>>108057316
Control as in "Do you want express updates from Red Hat that do everything for you or do you want your operating system your way", although Arch does still make some opinionated decisions in their packaging.
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>>108057335
>your operating system your way
Doesn't this only apply to Gentoo? Every distro is just you getting updates from a centralized repository managed by individuals or companies you will never interact with. Be it canonical, arch or debian controlled.
>Do you want express updates
I would say this is already covered by the "frequent updates" path which moves you into fedora.
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>>108057411
>But eventually they're going to need to update to Debian 14
I've already changed the apt sources from trixie to stable (which is just a symlink for whatever the current point release is), so Discover will handle the rest.
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>>108057422
That covers the OS but what will happen to those NVIDIA drivers you're installing for them without their knowledge? Is that going to be seamlessly upgraded?
Honestly, you'd be better off sticking them on a more beginner friendly distro.
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>>108057357
Tbh you can treat fedora as update when you want. Don't have any interest seeing a new kernel with 0.01 update. I pick and choose. 6 months is a good update interval unless something is broken or if you aren't running a business.
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Thank you.
>>108057533
You are absolutely right.
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>it only takes a short time on linux before you start appreciating the value of updates
One of my friends specifically wants to use a Windows 9x theme, which is no longer possible on newer versions of Plasma due to a Kirigami regression that breaks non-square start menu icons.
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>>108054907
>>buy high end nvidia gpu
>have I fucked up?
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>>108057075
bias toward what "most people want" is still a bias, more objective comparisons should take the intended target audience into account
most of it looks alright, i'd only argue that the difference in setup/maintenance between cachy and arch is negligible and doesn't really deserve a whole branch just for that, and also that you've fallen for the gentoo meme meme (that is, gentoo being a meme is the meme, people don't use it everyday for attention, nobody using it beyond an initial install is doing it to show off... at least i hope they value their time a little more than that)
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i'd argue there's a difference between someone happily using windows and someone looking to try linux, evidently, the latter doesn't so much care about what most people want, otherwise they would just keep using windows
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>>108049401
I've been playing Zuma Deluxe this week, sadly I can't enable the custom cursor because it destroys performance and causes visual glitches. Windowed mode also doesn't capture the cursor.
D7VK doesn't improve anything, neither do proton or wine-staging.
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>>108057108
shhhh, the best kept secret.
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>>108057967
shhhhhhh, they are flooding arch for a reason.
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>>108057997
https://www.myabandonware.com/game/i-ve-got-some-balls-mk6
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last time i tried to make it work, which was admittedly a while ago now, i tried dgvoodoo2, and a whole bunch of options in dxwnd as well. i got as far as it showing the menu kind of, just shapes but the text and textures were still missing
>>108058045
unless you have actually tried it, don't assume i haven't tried anything
>>108058042
you can turn the watermark off, it's on by default but it's just a tickbox
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Some early games can get broken. I think Hoyle's Casino 2004 doesn't work with Proton but works with Wine or vice versa. I'd suggest trying umu-run with Proton-Ge, it supplies it's own codecs even.
I can try to run this game if you post a link but that'll be 5-8 hours. If it does I'll tell you how to.
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>>108058085
i linked to it here >>108058023
i'm going to have a go at it again now that i've been reminded of it
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>>108058095
with stock dgvoodoo settings i get pic, which is actually less than stock wine (proton) which is a black screen with a menu bar (normal for this game as i remember) and the menu music plays
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>>108058118
lutris is just built for linux where we have environment variables for this kind of shit.
anyways it's probably still possible to do it by overriding dlls and using your own dgvoodoo instead of the one from lutris.
i'd have an easier time just running raw wine for this.
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>bias toward what "most people want" is still a bias
It's an insignificant bias. I assume that the flowchart was made to be shown to someone looking to start using Linux because they no longer want to deal with Microsoft's bullshit. So a bias in favor of the majority is much better and more helpful than an unbiased flowchart.
If anything Gentoo even existing there as a choice is a bias and dumb as fuck. There's 10 choices there while Gentoo isn't even in the top 50 used distros, probably not even in the top 100. It's elevating those 0.01% of Linux users as if they're statistically irrelevant.
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>>108058126
haha wtf. i tried dxwrapper again, which i swear i have tried before, and now it just werks
i spotted a d3d7-based message in wine output, guess it was d3d7, not 6
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>>108057052
I have been running CachyOS for 15 months straight and it has yet to "break" on me, and I got a bunch of shit from the AUR and such.
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>>108058316
to be fair to myself, it has had many updates since i last tried it, current ver is only 2 weeks old
https://github.com/elishacloud/dxwrapper/releases/tag/v1.5.8100.25
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>>108056670
Bazzite is shit as demonstrated by this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URbW3j_GYKg
Some nvidia GPUs running on llvmpipe kek, this wouldn't have happened on CachyOS btw.
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>>108058354
>people waiting for SteamOS are retards
That's a good assumption. These people have no idea what Linux is, how it works, what a "repository" is, what "systemd" or "x11" or "wayland" are. They don't know that "Ubuntu" and "RedHat" exist, they don't even know what a "distro" is.
They'll buy a GabeCube and only use it with Steam games and whatever Flatpaks they can access in Discover. They'll never open a terminal, they'll never know what a package manager is.
Does this matter? No. It just means that the vast majority of people who use computers are not passionate about technology in any way. They are not necessarily "retards", they're just disinterested in learning about tech.
The same is true for most things in life. 99% of people driving a car don't know how to service their own car.
Concrete example, I have a friend who wanted to use SteamOS. He was told by someone Linux performs better than Windows on AMD hardware and he was already pissed at Windows.
I installed Bazzite on his PC a year ago. He's still using it. That's his only exposure to Linux, it is his only PC and he says "it's great". He never encountered any issues whatsoever.
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>>108058688
Nothing you have just said is required knowledge of existing distributions. Somebody who is interested in Linux but is "waiting for SteamOS to fix Linux" is waiting for nothing because it's exactly the same OOBE as every popular distro.
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>>108058316
ah this is where i saw it, the game claims to use dx6.1 itself
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>>108058724
>waiting for nothing because it's exactly the same OOBE as every popular distro.
Clearly they're waiting for SteamOS because every other distro has shit and/or non-existent marketing. Also, most of these people don't know how to install an OS and Linux comes pre-installed with maybe 10% of devices on the market where it's mostly instantly replaced with Windows because people don't even know what an operating system is and think "PC don't work without Windows, I need to pay someone to install Windows".
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>>108058835
>Clearly they're waiting for SteamOS because every other distro has shit and/or non-existent marketing
We were clearly talking about the cohort of Windows users who are interested in switching to Linux but have made it conditional on the general release of SteamOS, due to their preconceived notion that Valve is going to magically make Microsoft Office work.
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>>108059283
There you go
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Its just to detect for changes.
>>108059782
Kodi.
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>>108059506
I identify as a windows 7 user and prefer xfce to kde even if xfce is stuck with the vista-esque taskbar instead of the dock thing that windows 7 and beyond had. (though i think theres a plugin to have something more similar to the windows7+ esque taskbar)
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There has got to be a better way to change the default start menu favourites on Plasma than to sort through almost 1.5 thousand SQL database entries and then copy the editor file to /etc/skel/.local/share/kactivitymanagerd/resources/
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>>108059981
Let's see if setting this to false will populate the favourites inplasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appleinstead.tsrc
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In the end I just made a new user, pinned the favourites I wanted, logged out, and copied kactivitymanagerd folder over to /etc/skel. At least this database is user-agnostic, but it's so dumb that something as simple as which .desktop files you want in the start menu isn't exposed in a text file. Whatever happened to UNIX philosophy?
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>>108058023
Right, it launched immediately with my setup. Using umu-run and GE-Proton10-29.
Do you want my script or? Well let's see.
I'm using dgVoodoo2_79_3 because this version is supposedly more compatible with linux, to be honest I haven't tried newer versions anyway as this was on my drive since ages.
Here's the dgvoodoo setup if you are suspicious use virustotal.com...
>https://litter.catbox.moe/ct3fh8dglopmfaop.zip
Depending on your setup you need to some dll overrides.
>export WINEDLLOVERRIDES="nvapi=n;nvapi64=n;d3d8=n,b;d3d9=n,b;d3d10core=n,b;d3 d11=n,b;dxgi=n,b;d3d12=n,b;d3d12cor e=n,b"
>export WINEDLLOVERRIDES="${WINEDLLOVERRIDES};d3d9=n,b;d3d8=n,b;d3dimm=n,b;ddr aw=n,b"
There's some overlap with these, because it's based on my script and I can just uncomment whatever I need. First line is to make sure my dxvk, vkd3d and nvapi gets always loaded. Second line is for dgvoodoo dlls.
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I don't see any emu threads so I'm posting here.
Does anyone have any kind of experience with mustard OS or other similar handheld emulator OS (for lack of a better term that I know of). I have an issue with it, found the solution but it all links back to one guide some guy hosted on a now deleted github. I've been able to figure out I need to change the system refresh rate from 59.98Hz to 59.94HZ. I know that involves changing a config somewhere and reflashing the SD card. And I'm fine with all of that, I just don't know where that config is located or how to set it up to be reflashed.
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>>108058811
uh, worst combo confirmed!
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>>108060872
thanks, but i already found dxwrapper now supports whatever this game does, see >>108058316
your screenshot is also too blown out. while the menu is normally pretty bright, i remember it looking more like what dxwrapper does than that
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How can I, a blue collar wagie with plenty of downtime, work on my passion project hosted on my main PC/home server from my phone? I basically only need access to a terminal. I'm on a working tailnet, I just need some recs
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>>108060951
someone else still plays this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGfYLRCJZ1c&t=32s
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>>108061160
That's what I assumed as well, but every post where the guy wrote the guide talks about the fix he says it involves reflashing part of the SD card which is why I'm confused.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ANBERNIC/comments/1mp4g90/rg35xx_screen_line_ issue_fix_new_models_muos/
there's a link if anyone is curious. I don't have a windows machine currently so I can't just use the windows exe with a still working link
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non techie with some linux experience here. KDE is the one truly mature option imo. there's a it-just-worksiness to all of it. it should feel pretty familiar to someone coming from windows (especially win7 and later).
gnome is alright - i actually really like the app design in gnome, it's very sleek and simple - but their desktop feels like something made for a touchscreen and they made some weird decisions that are inevitably going to alienate people. for example, if you want icons on your desktop you have to install an addon, which isnt supported by the gnome devs themselves so it breaks with every other update.
the whole dock + top bar layout doesnt make as much sense as it does on mac os, either. on mac OS the top bar acts as the menu bar, which actually utilises that GUI element, but in gnome its just a big fuckoff bar showing nothing but the time/date and a button to open your apps menu.
gnome icons look very fisher pricey as well.
when i look at their apps, i wanna love gnome, but all the surrounding crap just ruins it for me
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>>108061481
KDE because GNOME is too dogmatic. They do things in a worse way just because of that. Everything has to be done to their faulty specification. Some examples are no typeahead find, no backspace to go back in the file manager and blurry text in GTK4+
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So I play a lot of games that run anticheat (like Rust for example), watch YouTube, and mess around with music stuff. That being said, I do NOT want to upgrade to Windows 11. Say if I completely wipe my PC, and install Linux Mint, then do like a Windows 10 virtual machine to play games and make music. Will I experience a drop in frames or lag? Is there a better way? What about dual booting?
I don’t know the difference really- plus what about virus’ and stuff?
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AMD (via Lisa Su) says they're still on track to deliver it. No details on pricing but if they're on track then still then I'd like to think that means AMD aren't the ones screwing them.
If it costs that much then you know the SSD manufacturers and DRAM manufacturers really don't want them to succeed.
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>>108061743
Games with aggressive malware in the form of anti-cheat may not even work in a VM properly (they can block it just like they block Linux).
You may just have to give up these games (honestly, for the best) or suck off Microdick and put up with 11.
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>>108061743
Anticheats will complain about a VM too, they wants full rootkit level access to your PC. At least, the kind that require Windows do.
Not sure what they're doing nowadays as I don't play that stuff, but it's possible they could even require you to use secure boot with TPM, which could even make dual booting linux annoying, or at least restrict you to distros which use MS signing keys. But regardless, if you want to play those games regularly, it would be irritating to reboot all the time even if dual booting was easy.
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So basically if I want to keep playing competitive pvp type games, I’m gonna have to stick with windows or either wait till everyone stops using anticheat and supports Linux?
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You could always dual-boot as well of course although that gets annoying when you have to frequently reboot. It just leads to not using Linux much in my experience because it ends up being more convenient to stay in Windows.
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>>108051677
By the way, I tried your suggestion, and it absolutely worked. Thanks again, bro.
Unfortunately, I just discovered it turns out that Arc Raiders has a big cheating problem, and as fun and cool as the gameplay is, the fact that cheaters can sour an awesome run and rat you in impossible ways, just leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Not just for Arc Raiders, but for multiplayer gaming in general, which greatly pains me to finally come to this conclusion. Maybe I will revisit multiplayer gaming in the future, but as it stands, I'll take a break from it. Thank God that many of the activities that Arc Raiders emulates can mostly be done IRL anyway lmao.
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i have a very minimal arch install. no desktop environment just i3, i recently removed dunst since i barely use it but i heard electron application can crash if there's no notification system, is that true? and is steam an electron app? i think that's pretty much the only one i might have
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If they're badly written maybe. Firefox and Chromium have an internal pop-up fallback that will flood the screen with big ugly windows (unless you add window rules to float them, etc) but electron apps may lack that.
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Honestly, it's pretty annoying that it does because its desktop notifications don't work properly on Wayland at all. I wish they'd just use standard XDG desktop notifications instead of their own crap.
I'm currently running a separate XWayland instance to contain it because of this otherwise notifications appear randomly in the middle of my monitor, etc.
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Is there a simple way to get reminders on a desktop? Like, every month give a reminder to do a manual backup or something. KDE if that matters.
So far I only found outlook clones (holy bloat) and a little cli app called remind which seems neat, but you would have to remember to run it, which defeats the point
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I think that's what Kalarm is supposed to be for:
https://apps.kde.org/kalarm/
If it's built with pim support then that will pull in a lot of crap though.
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It was right but doesn't solve the whole issue. Does the following sound familiar to anyone or ring a bell:
I made a change since, installing drivers that is, went with vulkan to try it out.
KDE settings apply correctly: Screens dim and turn off as scheduled,
session locks and screens turn off as scheduled.
But:
I have come back to it twice after hours and the state was as follows:
Screen 1 still off. Screen 2 on but dimmed, showing lockscreen. On input screen 2 restores brightness and screen 1 remains off. When manually switched on screen 1 reports no signal.
Forgot to check kernel buffer.
What could cause this? The different behavior of 2 screens seems odd.
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The fix / workaround isn't needed anymore and the original problem is solved. It's only that now this: >>108063804
This hardware was always tiresome when it comes to screen stuff.