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/iemg/ & /pmpg/ - In-Ear Monitor & Portable Music Player General 02/02/26(Mon)20:45:57 No.108043390
/iemg/ & /pmpg/ - In-Ear Monitor & Portable Music Player General 02/02/26(Mon)20:45:57 No.108043390
/iemg/ & /pmpg/ - In-Ear Monitor & Portable Music Player General Anonymous 02/02/26(Mon)20:45:57 No.108043390 [Reply]▶
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Bass edition
How to request advice:
>Budget
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
>Frequency response preference and music examples
>Past gear and your thoughts on them
FAQ:
>Where do I buy IEMs?
Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio
>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):
https://consoomer-guide.pages.dev/
>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Papers, etc.):
https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/
>/iemg/'s Journal:
https://iemgazette.pages.dev/
>Measurements:
https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/measurement-databases/
>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:
• Tripowin Ruta10 (Mild V) - $18
• Tanchjim Bunny DSP (Mild U) - $22
• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22
• EPZ Q1 Pro (V-shape) - $35
>Bullet IEMs:
• Tanchjim ONE DSP (5 Presets/5-Band PEQ) - $28
• Etymotic ER2XR (Towards Neutral) - $140
>Flathead Earbuds:
• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5
• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10
>USB-C DACs:
• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8
• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) $18
• Snowsky Melody (10-Band PEQ) - $38
• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110
>PMPs:
• HiBy R1 - $85
• HiBy M300 - $200
>AVOID USING:
• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver pos
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When did this happen? I didn't know our qveen made headpos.
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should I pickup the aful explorer? I really like warm tuned IEM's, been enjoying my pures but can't really scale them all that loud before that pinna gain area starts to hurt, I'm thinking the explorer could be scaled up as it has much less pinna/treble
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Reasons to equalize your pos:
1. Take full advantage of planar magic, cvj luki
2. You can listen to Moondrop Stellaris and TRN ST7
3. Attain perfection on your PEQ'd $5 shitbud, why buy anything else?
4. Fight back against chinks using Harm Man as acoustic weaponry
5. Counter bright recordings by adjusting the brightness and darkness of your pos to comfort level.
6. Free (You)s on /iemg/
7. Serves as a foundation for other DSPs/VSTs, upsampling, convolution, etc. when increasing techs
Be sure to take care when boosting (or leaving alone) high frequencies or you'll be as deaf as Deafzo. Equalize responsibly.
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>>108043521
Yes, until it starts killing itself
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>>108043576
Deafzo left all frequencies alone and this happened. Tragic.
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>start using iems
>after 2 weeks they all clog
yeah, im out
earholes aren't made to be closed
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/iemg/ FAQ Resource
Tired of not knowing the lingo? Here’s your prescribed sanity dose:
Crinacle law: PEQ a $5 shitbud to perfection
Jeet law: The jeet mind cannot comprehend the time domain
Price-quality inverse relationship: You pay extra for THD
Techs: Derived from THD, derived from USD
PeqDB: Hindu transmutation of one pos to another
Hearing loss: Caused by high volume treble
Headpos law: Sennheiser shills who know nothing about the superiority of IEMs
R2R and tubes: Anathema. Don't even look at them.
Apple dongle: Ambrosia. Brought down to us by AudioScienceReview.
Tips: If you don't have 12 aftermarket pairs, you aren't consoooooming hard enough
Highres vinyl rips and DSD: Takes up more space than antiquated 44.1KHz redbook audio
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/iemg/ Physiognomy Check
Tired of the hivemind? Here’s your weekly sanity dose:
>Airpods/Cheapshit TWS/Stock buds
Too common to really make a good prediction, ranges from the average beta normalfag to alpha chads with chiseled jawlines.
>KZ, cheap Moondrop, years old FOTM pos, Cringicle collabs, Crinear
Balding and likely a redditor, moderately ugly, recessed chin. Unibrow, acne. Probably feminist and a simp for onlyfans whores. Least threatening "male". Often Indian.
>Truthear, Tanchjim, Softears, other less popular chinkshit and etymotic + smaller influencer collabs
Seriously ugly freaks, might have one standout feature like bug eyes or asymmetrical nose, negative canthal tilt is a given. High pitched or feminine voice, repulsive to almost all women.
>Customs/Expensive Western brands
Frail faggot hipster, somehow has rapey vibes yet is overpowered by the average woman. Male feminist. Think DMS archetype.
>Moondrop/Tanchjim/EPZ/CVJ with art on the side
These are the ugliest incels imaginable, the truest of trucels. Strange vocal tics, unnatural gait, and unbelievably ugly. They look deformed and monstrous to any normal person and have fucked up fetishes normies couldn't even imagine. Either freakishly thin or morbidly obese.
>BlueKAKA, Artti R6, SGOR, extremely cheap shitty offbrand chink pos
Small and short, built like goblins with a face to match. Very often fat, brown and the definition of untermensch. Horrific stench emanates up to 5 meters.
>Expensive SEAnigger pos
Fat ricecels with tiny beady eyes and poor vision. They often look inbred and their accents make women flee. One can assume they eat a lot and Asian eating habits are disgusting already, but their pig like countenance amplifies the effect.
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>>108044173
https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/best/noise-cancelling-earbud s
for budget stuff space travel 2 anc is okay
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>>108044212
Thanks for the rec anon but $40 is too much for a neet me this >>108044004 is my kinda price range
>>108044004
thank you, exactly my price range
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>>108044305
it's pretty good. no endgame but for the price, it's great. it's pretty balanced sounding stock all thing considered you could eq in some sub and mid bass to trigger the bc driver at listenable volume, but dont expect it blow your mind.
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I've been using the earbuds that came with my minidisc player since 2001.. But wires are annoying in some particular cases, and smartphones have bluetooth now, so I am looking for bluetooth earbuds.
>>Budget
<$10 (yes, I am so poor pigeons sometimes throw bread at me)
Of course I am not asking for premium quality for so cheap, I just want them to have an "acceptable" sound. Like I posted in the previous thread >>108034045, I bought some $2 bluetooth earbugs and the sound is really, really too terrible...
>>Intended use (media, source, environment)
Mostly guided meditation / self-hypnosis but sometimes with goa trance music in the background. (Not a joke) So latency isn't an issue and I don't need any noise cancelling.
I want them to enter the ear so they don't fall.
>>Frequency response preference and music examples
flat if possible. If not, not a big deal as long as they can be flatten with the smartphone's integrated equalizer.
>>Past gear and your thoughts on them
I have no idea what is the name of my old earbuds, they just came with all Sharp minidisc players back then, and I kept using them because they sound good and flat.
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>>108045053
one whole milliwatt from my apple dongle sir
>>108045145
glad to see them so cheap, price is inverse to quality. if i had it my way, pr2 would be a dime a dozen.
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>>108045202
its a 15 ohm iem deafzo
you only need 80dB to hear the full mix
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My shozy p20's are still going strong. Never had a planar IEM last this long. Any new stuff from them?
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>>108045675
That includes "American" planars.
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>>108045698
The shozy is a 14.5mm but yeah, it's all from the same factory. Back when I bought them I read that shuoer stuff is made by shozy, which is funny, because I had to return two sets of planar shuoers due to insane driver flex.
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>>108045722
>iem planar
>reactance
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The whole point of a planar is a planar wavefront hitting your ears to mimic speakers' interaction with the outer ear part of your HRTF. There is literally zero point to IEM planars since they do not interact with your ear anatomy in any way. They're also too small to really have a planar wavefront. In every sense IEM planars are just flat DDs but worse in every single way.
>but how are planars worse
Planar IEMs universally have inferior quality control and channel matching compared to even cheap DDs. They have higher distortion and tend to have high amplitude high Q upper treble peaks, a more extreme version of the classic 10-11K DD treble peak. This is responsible for "planar zing" and why some anons say planars make you deaf.
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>reactance
this sent me down an interesting rabbit hole
so basically, you're retarded and reactance matters less in the context of planars than it does in the context of 1DDs (inductive) and multi-BA crossover pos (capacitive)
you'd almost have an argument about the current necessary to drive them, but the funny thing about audio is that it's a logarithmic scale so it takes a lot less power to just keep the volume at 80dB instead of the fatiguing and deafening maximum of 87dB (that's over twice as loud!)
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>planar wavefront
what is this pseudoscience
planars, and their cousin electrostatics, are about improving transient response by reducing driver inertia and mechanical resistance
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Just stop the BS. Planar IEM need big power to be properly drive otherwise it will make bass distort like this video 100% factualy proove. To think some ''''''''''pro''''''''' reviewers share this minsinformation is truely a shame.
https://gofile.io/d/0B6dU8
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>>108046360
>even the most powerful dongle isn't good enough
where the fuck do you get that idea? you own it??
DS2 powers these very nicely. although if you looked into EPZ's dongles, you'd find that they are beefy as well.
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Got these KZ EDZ sitting here in my hand. Can't wait to compare them to the legendary GK Kuntens later. It took a month for them to get here, so I'm sure it was worth the wait.
I also ordered Kiwi Ears Cadenza II today but that will take another 7-60 business months from china numba 1
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sure, doesn't detract from anything i said
>>108046646
illiterate mule
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IEMs are one of those things where you just spend a decent amount of money on a good pair then never look back. Lest you just go down a rabbit hole of wasting your money on IEMs trying to chase the "perfect audio", buying what are essentially trinkets with little to no resale value because who the fuck wants to buy used in-ear equipment?
This whole general is proof of that, it's useless to try and find the perfect pair because you're never going to be happy and audio is something that's highly subjective.
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>>108046001
>planars, and their cousin electrostatics, are about improving transient response
IR=FR
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>>108046949
Fox IEM is perfect.
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>>108047433
Cutest IEMs known to man
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Thoughts on se846s with white filters? Are they bad now (or always was?). I now enjoy my SHS9500s but I don't know about se846s. I got those like 10 years ago but I don't daily drive them, airpods pro 3 is easier to setup.
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>>108044493
should've checked this thread a few hours ago to see your advice but I already purchased the explorer for 80$, I think I'm gonna enjoy em because I love to crank volume and EQ isn't a permanent solution anyways; annoying to have to set it up on all my devices
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>>108046319
you asked for proof, not measurement retard.
learn to phrase things correctly, and any ASR review will show the current protection of shitty dongles
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>>108047119
I know you're probably either a chink or a jeet but...
Music is not constant. You're not listening at 85 dB the whole time. Music has what's called a crest factor, which is a measure of the size of the big peaks and transients compared to the overall level of the signal. So even if you're listening at an average level of, say, 85 dB, there are probably going to be momentary parts of the signal that go way higher than that, and your amp needs to be able to handle those.
IEM's sensitivity specs are typically tested at 1 kHz, which is where our hearing is very sensitive. For something to sound as loud in the bass region at 30 Hz, for example, as it does at 1 kHz, it might need to be dozens of dBs higher. Because our hearing is less sensitive at lower frequencies than it is around 1 kHz. Even if you just look at the content of an average song, it is not unusual to see the bass region 20 or 30 dB higher than 1 kHz
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85 is not meant to be a comfortable listen, deafzo. It's only safe for 4 hours per WEEK. I'm listening at 60dB(A). No matter how much DR/crest factor/bassy mixing/bass boost you stack on top of that it won't need an amp. Apple dongle drives most IEMs to 115+dB and your particular pos to 100.
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>85 is not meant to be a comfortable listen, deafzo. It's only safe for 4 hours per WEEK.
False. https://www.osha.gov/noise 8 hours is fine, and noise guidelines =/= music.
>thinks all music has the same loudness / LUFS
Compare classical and EDM, idiot. Also, most audio engineers mix and master at 85dBA due to equal-loudness contours, which can create an imbalance when the level is set lower than 85dBA, as our bass sensitivity drops at lower volumes/phons.
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The most legit chink company.
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The virgin Harman vs Chad mids master race
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>>108048612
all have higher THD than chu2. $5 shitbuds won again
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people who can eq to anything- you must have tried to eq to some of the flagships? what do you think about HEX for example? or did you ever eq to trifecta to hear why it's so polarizing? tell me of your eq adventures
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>>108050127
fiio fa1's. they sound like shit but look like candy
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>>108049878
mfw a nigga who sleeps with xir earbuds call me deaf
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The two headpos I consider must-haves are HD 700 and HE-R9. They're in leagues with heavyweight IEMs like Moondrop Stellaris, CVJ Luki and even KZ Decet.
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>>108050678
What hearing loss does to a motherfucker.
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bruh. Kunten unironically has very similar tuning to 7hz timeless for 10x less the price and cringeacle does not approve.
I’m usually not a shill for KZ but this shitbud deserves an award for not immediately making anyone puke in disgust after listening for a few seconds
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>>108050797
Good graph.
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>>108050856
BAIQINGXUE 1998
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>>108050919
Endgame
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How do you deal with germs
If my tips touch anything slightly dirty I can't feel comfortable inserting them into my ear unless I wash them, I always need to put them tip up because I don't even like when they touch my desk. I never had this problem with headphones
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Standalone/other adapters to use other eartips on Etymotic ER2XR? Final Audio isn't available on Ali and shipping costs in here are crazy so can't get E-tips or the IEMs, some Spinfits should have it but those are also some of the more expensive eartips. Can I also use any eartips like Dunu S&S?
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>>108051134
become immune to germs
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Hey anons, kinda new to IEMs and I'm thinking of upgrading from my Crinacle Zero to the DITA Prelude. I've tried it and it sounded great, just wanted to be sure I'm not making the wrong decision.
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>DEI shit
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>>108051134
>I always need to put them tip up because I don't even like when they touch my desk
buy a hook w/ double-sided tape and attach it to a monitor or some object tall enough so the tips won't touch the desk, or leave a case open whenever you need to store it
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I still haven't found any IEMs that sound better than my trusty bose earbuds I got at the mall 12 years ago. Has the tech even improved since then?
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>>108052500
pic related is what I returned for the simgot. cringacle has to call amazing pos mid so he can sell his overpriced crap.
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WOW!
These KZ DECET sound great
Superb Bass, warm and easy listening at VERY low volumes. get loud fast... all settings off in the EQ version, flat EQ in my M30 MECHEN.
These sound like Over Ears with good Bass, it only lacks the ear vibration of ears fully inside the sound system of Over Ears but the level of bass is otherwise THIC, it is VIBRANTLY DEEP.
I plan to use them at very low volumes because they can get super loud and distort the bass a bit with designer thick bass like those used by Phineas in Billie Eillish See Me In a Crown (e.g.).
Anyways, yeah... even with thick bass you get superb definition and clear different sources and instruments, very detailed, obviously overpowered by bass which is the design of DECET, the profile is best again at their flattest EQ with lowest volume possible. These are great at night at home at super low volume they rumble xDDDD
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>>108053998
true but in the end I still just listen to ol' reliable with OFC cables
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Sony WF-1000xm6 leaked from some thailand website. Price is listed at 11900 baht, about 377$
tots?
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What's the state of ear hook and neckband BT/wireless adapters in 2000+26?
I assume they're better than buying new wireless IEMs like Space Travel 2
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The proof that price is inverse to quality. Many will be angered by their own buyer's remorse. Chu2 won.
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You can buy your Chu2 at https://a.aliexpress.com/_mN5YJ8z
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>>108059404
post yours?
>>108059416
post yours?
>>108059437
post yours?
>>108059460
post yours?
>>108059503
post yours?
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>low THD is good actually
>*R2R and tubes have high THD*
>no, not like that!
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Is it true that Nanjing women are the prettiest in China due to their Japanese blood, from that thing that happened in 1937?
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It really is an excellent question. Why buy anything else? The price-to-driver-quality inverse relationship has proven itself time and time again and Crinacle's timeless wisdom continues to save this hobby for years to come.
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Crinacle is the definite lesser of evils. Yes without him people would be stuck with Shartman and it’s deaf disciples that have their heads stuck so far up their ass they can tickle their own esophagus. >>108060156
problem being namely that $5 shitbuds solved THD
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Crinacle is literally laughing at you bro.
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>>108060318
pot calling the kettle black.
Please go back to your rainbow board and post an anectdotal study about how 8 researchers listened to iems for 5 minutes with only two volume controls for an unspecified bass and treble shelves…it was very convincing the first 20 times
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>>108060706
what are you on about bro? micro sd cards are the cheapest they've ever been. i mean, shit, 2tb for 20 kangarooland fun bucks?
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>>108061108
Wouldn't be caught dead with one of those.
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so, bgvp q3. this shit is pretty convenient. bluetooth and when it runs out of battery, just plug in a cable. and you can charge it with the jncluded mmcx to usb cable. ust wish they made one that uses 2pin instead mmshitx so i wouldbt risk breaking the fucking thing with my gorilla hands.
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FYI regardless of the %4 THD this is how the bose graph compared to an average semi-modern shitbud.
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>>108061119
>audiophile micro sd cards
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Uh yeah thanks I guess. I ended up getting these for like 20 bucks. Has anyone heard about them here?
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/iemg/ Consumer Guide
$2 Dawn 1DD
$3 EDC Pro 1DD
$3 AK6 Pro
$4 Rue 1DD
$4 Luki 1DD+1subwoofer
$5 Libra X 1DD
$5 Konoka 1DD+1BA+1subwoofer
$5 Kunten 1DD
$6 ED9 Pro 1DD
$7 Castor 2DD
$7 Krila 1DD+1BA
$8 Venus 1DD
$10 QKZ x HBB 1DD
$11 TRN Lucky Bag (5 iems)
$12 Waner 1DD
$12 Rosefinch 1DD
$12 GATe 1DD
$13 Chu II 1DD
$14 Bunny 1DD
$14 PR2 1planar
$15 Luna 1planar
$18 Decet 5DD
$20 LF3 Pro 1DD+1EST+1BA
$20 ST7 2DD+5BA
$30 VX Pro+ 1DD+8BA
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Both has over twice the THD over the humble Chu2. Price is inverse to quality.
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Anyway PR2 is a nice looking IEM and deserves to be posted more.
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Likewise I have a foobar2000 component that corrects second order harmonic distortion to turn my TA-66 into a solid state amp which I use to listen to my PBTHAL vinyl rips in its authentic untouched fidelity on my Chu2s.
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>>108061953
Just get a Kbear ST12 for free
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Deafzo really loves to bite the hand that feeds him. Without Crinacle, he wouldn't even be here.
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>>108063742
Techs are entirely subjective perception of sound. It is basically how “clean” something sounds.
tldr with faithful or near faithful audio reproduction, the speaker reproduces a lot of spatial phenomena in the original recording as well.
So terms like separation, soundstage, and imaging have been used ad nauseum to describe the psychoacoustic effect of “good sound”
in reality it’s all FR and output source
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What is the best wired earbud shaped like Apple Earpod, aka semi in ear? Unlimited budget, for watching movies on smartphone. I have Earpods and they are okay but maybe sonething higher quality exists, maybe with Android compatible inline volume control. I also have the JVC Earpod knockoff but the sound is kind of bad
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Help is there an EQ filter that does this
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>>108064792
Everyone has done this already, even headpos show >>108053088
Only noeqs like crinacle still entertain the notion of techs.
The problem is once you know how to EQ you realize storm is mediocre and it's much easier to make it sound better than storm than exactly like storm.
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>The problem is once you know how to EQ you realize storm is mediocre
so you're eq'ing to storm and it sounds mediocre. what about the other flagships? hex and so forth? do they all sound like shit?
sounds to me like you can't reproduce the behavior but you can create a sound you like more
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>>108064869
>There's nothing they can build physically that can beat EQ.
do you think that could have something to do with your own preferences or do you think most other people would converge on the same conclusion if they "discovered" eq?
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It has everything to do with preferences, which are derived from anatomy. Nobody builds IEMs to match the anatomy of 1 guy, that's financial suicide. Manufactures aim for averages. It's like crocs vs bespoke shoes. You can build crocs out of gold but they'll still be crocs.
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You're still at state 4
https://youtu.be/LrIoNMeo_GI
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>>108064941
what i'm saying is i think eq'ing shitbuds to perfection only works if you've already privileged a certain sound ideal. anatomy doesn't explain why that ideal should be the goal. i think you then conflate that local optimum for a global preference/ceiling
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>>108064425
This is just high shelf. If you meant a sharp drop like that you'll need a high Q for the shelf filter and EQ the ripples. Or you can make a FIR filter exactly like that with mspaint, webplotdigitizer and REW.
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Techs can be had for only $30 on the TRN VX Pro+ with its 1DD and 8BAs. BA adds techs and no other $30 shitbud has as many techs as this. Haters will simply hate. Buy yours on Aliexpress. inb4 Deafzo seethe
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I EQ my cadenzas to the variations roughly with some personal tweaks to the variations' FR for my own comfort, I run this through CraveEQ VST (yabridge + carla-rack) and it works and sounds great, much smoother than using regular EQ, and the funny thing is you can just pirate CraveEQ, you're running it under a container on Linux anyways, and if you want this on an Android/Android DAP you can just use Shizuku + RootlessJamesDSP and use & import your EQ as an impulse response into the built in convolver.