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https://youtu.be/HIrKSqb4H4A?si=4LTT0HhHfyR0u5h5 Drip drip drip drip Drop drop drop drop Blood rush to my Head lit hot lock Poppin' off the Fuckin' block stop Clockin' wrist slit Watch bent thought bot
>>7953897 woah, nice, but just like Japan this board has retarded censorship, so you can't post explicit loli, and have to link it offsite with https://catbox.moe or >>>/b/
>>7954211 That BA drawing really isn't that bad. At least there is perspective to see there. Compared to prayer's (your) symbol whatever the hell that was. Calm down prayer I know... it's you having a meltie
>>7954243 His blatant jealosy and vendetta makes him blind to actually critiquing the artwork. He is only mad because that drawing has over 1k likes and he is trying to find reasons to make himself seem somehow superior to him. Come on now
I don't know why I keep coming here. Sometimes someone posts some great art or some okay doodles but most of the time it's just you fucks bickering about drama I don't care about.
>>7954203 But he even admitted he was working on it before anon had made that request, he just made it a thigh up instead of portrait. A bit silly and petty of a point to bring imo
subu has been kicked out of every general on this board and there were entire threads dedicated to shitting on his promptjeetery. it's hilarious how he thinks it's his crush behind everything
>>7954001 >>7954015 >>7954241 >>7954324 I don't know what the original beef between subu and prayer is so I can't say much about that, but I was in one of the older LSG drawpile sessions and I personally saw the events in real time which I think is what this anon's >>7953992 meme is refering to. You can find the canvas posted in the archive here >>7539263 and to the right side is prayer's drawing of saki which subu shat on by writing the "snsoucikun loomis" next to it. Prayer ignored him and went to draw the hoshino to the left, at which point subu decided to ramp it up and try mog him, I guess, by also drawing his own Hoshino. And... well. To my knowledge prayer continued to to join the next few piles but subu never did again until he decided to make himself host for a few times
>>7954455 >>7954458 >attacks unprovoked >escalates needlessly >somehow loses despite zero counterattack from opponent >retreats and make claims of victory only when "enemy" has left What is this masterclass gambit called?
>>7954458 Drama over this? really? i don't get it. Do these people use references?, Cause i joined a drawpile once and Drip shat on me and called me a retard because i was drawing freestyle and i didn't say anything. Whatever I'm glad he's gone. My art's better than his and his Indonesian ass. Go worship a temple or suck a banana. I feel kinda bad saying that but whatever. I think you guys should be nicer to Subu and Prayer.
>>7954472 Doesn't sound like the drip I know. That nigger only ever freestyles all his shit and hardly knows construction better than you average /beg/. I'd even say he's the most vocal proponent of freestyling I know for better or worse.
>>7954477 I'm not him if that's what you're insinuating. I just used to be a semi regular in his drawpile room and talked with him a fair amount both there and in another discord server we shared. I have a positive impression of him so it's fair enough if you think I sound biased.
>>7954455 Imagine holding a grudge for over a year for something this inconsiqentual. Get over yourself prayer and also subu too. This drama really doesn't matter, what matters is both of them are breaking the unwritten golden rule of drawpile, that you don't make fun of people's drawpile drawings. People should be able to join the drawpiles to be able to draw and have fun with everyone and not have to worry if their drawings don't turn out that great. Especially since we have them so rarely, don't ruin the occasion for everyone else with this sort of inane drama, because stuff like this potentially happening will make people not want to join the piles
>>7954458 Surprisingly Prayer has the moral high ground unless there were prior attacks on Subu. I don't want to compare art but the right Hoshino has a more consistent perspective and less stiff stylization / lineart. >>7954486 Having self-respect and steering clear of decadent behaviors is tenable. You are insensitive.
>>7954486 I fully agree with everything you said but prayer didn't even respond to anything subu did the whole time the room was online. It's unfair to group the victim in together with the perp, don't you think? Dont even try to pull a "let's not point fingers now, guys" That said I also hope someone willing comes around and starts hosting drawpiles again.
>>7954496 Shut up you're a victim, prayer. And even if you're not then you will be. As soon as you let your guard down and leave your windows unlocked. Your virgin bussy is mine, in due time. Pictured: future you
>>7954491 The whole basis for this drama eludes me, as that was hardly the only redraw subu has done in the drawpiles. Why does it matter to this extent just in this instance?
We had a goode thing, you stupid sons of a bitches! We had drip. We had a host. We had everything we needed, and it all ran like clockwork. You could’ve shut your mouth, drawed, and made as much (you)'s as you ever needed. It was perfect. But, no, you just had to blow it up. You and your pride and your ego! You just had to be the /int. If you’d drawn your boxes, known your fundies, we’d all be fine right now...yeahe
>>7954505 There's a reason why drip, valkilmer, imo, and subsequently all the other people who hosted drawpiles decided to hang the hat. It's hard to stay motivated when attempts to contribute to the community are only met with either ridicules or people shtting up the occassion with personal dramas
[Good News] Scientists have found that my most abominable 2 incher river monster is more than capable enough of leaving prayer's tender, soft, yielding and sinful cute bussy gaping.
>>7954515 Except I would. I've talked 2 of the 3 names I mentioned extensively for a long time and I've heard directly from them how they feel about this dog gone general's culture. And I've also been posting in this general far before you started avatarposting here, too.
>>7954515 And what do you know? What did you ever do besides cause needless drama in drawpiles? Maybe this time you should lower your tone. You think you know any of this stuff, but I know there is truth to what he says and I've personally talked briefly to one of the guys and he outright just said that to be the case.
>>7954522 The immediate reason isn't relevant anymore, and it's not my place to bring it up. >>7954525 >I've personally talked briefly to one of the guys and he outright just said that to be the case. Omoshiroi ne...
>>7954534 Let me guess, you talked to only one of the people who used to host and heard from them a different reason why they stopped. And you then with that limited knowledge somehow found the confidence to say I "don't know anything". I'm a shitter at art, you see, I spend more time socializing and making friends with other artists than I do working on my own art. I've talked to a lot of them and know more of the situation than you do (Not that it's a wonder or anything since anyone with eyes and half a brain would have already figured). You're one real narcissistic bitch, you know that?
>>7954536 Funny because that's exactly what you requested of me in our very first interaction. You pressed me into it and you still got mad for some reason... What was your master plan there?
>>7954536 prayer is kind i dont think he cares but people keep trying to instigate to get a response out of him. I guess thats what happens when you stay here
>>7954534 Yeah I talked to drip some time ago. He said that he hasn't really wanted to be here for a long time, because of how this place has been. Just admit you don't know this stuff man
>>7954541 >>7954547 That was with regards to Valkilmer so settle down. Drip never succeeded in hosting an '/lsg/ drawpile' before so I thought that was implied.
I'm not big on forced positivity, dripfan. We can all be ourselves here, and that includes obsessive stalking and settling scores. Isn't that what you're doing right now?
>>7954551 His hostings never had as many participants as val's and others (some guy kept calling his links ip grabber and scared other anons away, which was frankly hilarious though sad in retrospect) but he was the one who introduced the idea of a lsg drawpile in the first place.
>>7954615 There was this anon who would draw trad during college lectures, would post shitty photos of a clipboard with copy paper that had very solid studies and figures and would also draw zoo shit. What happened to him?
is subuart worth following? are the crabs exaggerating the ai claims or the majority of their work is legitimately questionable?
for example while this is sketchy https://x.com/angel_angelangy/status/1991464570326774225 if only a small subset of their work is referenced this is irrelevant
prayer vibe study >no transform nor liquify to preserve aura and lineart quality >avoid scratching, prioritize confidence over correction >long unscrupulously close parallel lines to assert stroke confidence >intentionally weird anatomy to assert authority on world space >never skip background (b-but i want to eat something so i skipped) >fix shortcut-controlled opacity, non-pressure brush (technical felt pen -like) >emphasis shape / volume / shadow of interest with darker contours (although common) >potentially not exhaustive
Sorry if this comes off as critics. I think this is kinda cool. Somehow the silly way I like to stylize faces doesn't do well with high confidence thus I'd have to explore other proportions.
>>7955095 be more confident in yourself, the most important thing is that you thought it was funny (and it is) and that you drew, you shouldn't give a fuck if a bunch of lisgy nodraw fags don't like your post
and im sure prayer is not petty enough to be offended anyway
Okay, so since apparently nothing I'm doing is working. Can someone give me an actual art tutorial that I can understand and apply? I haven't gotten fucking anywhere in a year.
>>7955106 I've looked at the tutorials and I genuinely cannot understand them or figure them out. I don't know how to break things down into basic shapes nor apply them to what I want to draw. Unless someone explains the exact process to me I'm going to keep banging my head against the wall doing nothing. I tried Loomis, didn't work. I tried IC sticky and gave up immediately. Nothing has worked for me.
>>7955104 More drawing from photoreference. Even if you're good at construction, you need to know how the constructed shapes are actually connected to each other. And it will help you with hands.
>>7955110 How do I do construction? How do I break things down into basic shapes? What do I do? I've looked at these Loomis tutorials but I have no idea how to break them down into shapes or apply them to what I want to draw.
It doesn't matter. I wanted you to try a few practices to train your eye and hand coordination in a fun way because you need to be retrained from the ground up. Then later there are loads and loads of free playlists on youtube teaching you basic shape and form combination or "the boring stuff" but by copying mark crilley you may build an intuitive sense of "oh, I learned how to combine this form into this form, maybe I can do it here as well". A self reliant way of reverse engineering.
>>7955138 Anon I just want to draw what the fuck I want. I don't want to spend hours upon hours doing shit that doesn't apply to what I'm trying to do.
>>7955132 Take a photo of a naked person, put it on your canvas, then start drawing on top. An arm is a cylinder, so you need to draw the top of the cylinder before the arm connects with the shoulder, and the bottom in the place where the arm connects with the hand. In case the arm is bent you need to make two cylinders, before and after elbow.
You can draw two boxes over the chest and the pelvis, and then connect them with lines, or draw two trapezoids, or choose another shape, depending on the reference. You don't need your shape to perfectly represent the reference, you only need them to reflect the general shape of the body.
>>7955157 I've tried following videos but when I do, I have no idea how to apply them to what I want to draw. I'm essentially only learning how to draw what's in the video.
>>7955178 Yeah so you're no different from the rest of the board, you need to start with the sticky. Nobody told you can't draw what you like while learning the basics, you just need to understand the concept of applying what you learned. The basics are all universal, there's no tutorial skip.
>>7955146 Something like this. Except if you find someone who actually knows construction well and apply their concepts (like Loomis mannequin), yours should turn out way better. Or maybe another anon will make a better one. I'm a prebeg shitter after all.
I heavily recommend checking out Marc Brunet's course, the "Nude Figure Drawing" video, he makes a step by step guide.
>>7955191 I dunno why people mocked you, but I think you should draw from life more to know how to turn a basic mannequin into a good figure. Other than that, maybe someone else will give you better advice.
>>7955196 They said that my shapes are completely fucked, my lines are fucked, my perspective is all fucked, I barely have any grasp of the basics of fundamentals.
>>7955099 >be more confident in yourself thank you. i will try. autism aura debt is troublesome.
>prayer is not petty enough to be offended w-wait you're right
>>7955100 no sure how far prayer pushes into the spectrum of self-confidence but i've included points that maximize it in general. transform / liquify / digital erasers are potentially part of the reason why traditional art may look more soulful on average. they tempers with holistic balancing between all shapes during the process of which they are added.
>>7955123 >markcrilley you had to remind me my first art book. so nostalgic.
Try getting a screen less tablet because you need dexterity I need to practice your drafting skills because if you can't see that I would say practice with a grid and then work to overlap what you drew and get as close as you can and practicing will only get you better at all this here's my attempt at doing it traditionally just don't give up
>>7955267 Hand eye coordination, I think using boxes first is stopping you from getting it right. Try using a ribcage for a torso and a circle for the pelvis, and using a stickman limbs and then draw the boxes over top. Maybe that might help.
>>7955273 That's literally what I did for the mannequin. But It's still turning out looking like shit. I don't know how long to make each limb, I don't know how to correctly map on the shapes, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.
>>7955277 some tips the the middle of the elbow meets up with the other elbow and just following to put a across for the face this is important especially when there's a change of Direction such as a side profile and then what's next when you draw a basic skeleton you build the rib cage and connect it with the body and then you use cylinders and you taper the cylinders and once you do that you'll see an improvement
>>7955292 The cylinders for the thighs need to connect at the pelvis they're too far away the legs and thighs isn't like a chair they need to be in the socket I drew with my finger just to show you that it is possible to get this right and I tried to show you what I meant on your drawing
>>7955090 It's a bit embarrassing considering we're all learners, but it's fine. You seem to have a good eye for deconstructing the superficial stuff, so I'll just leave you with my guiding philosophy: Does it look interesting? Is it composed (globally and locally) in an interesting way? That's it, the purest truths to drawing... And to those ends, I'll gladly eschew 'reality' like you say, because art is meant to surpass it.
>>7955298 I think you’re underestimating how long it takes to become decent at these seemingly basic things. At this point you’re still drawing 2D shapes, not 3D forms. See https://youtu.be/oUIkswy_sXo?si=pbNDyJ7c_tRVv3fi
>>7955361 Can you enlighten me of the compositional interest of futa-loli-agp-oppai with elongated anatomy, drawn entirely symbolically without any regard to the 3D plane or construction?
>>7955379 Come on now. You can't just spout that non-sense and then refuse to elaborate in the slightest. That just makes you sound pretentious and a larper
>>7955217 Don't learn these stupid overengineered figure methods Learn how artists actually sketch instead of studying showcase figures that they don't even use when drawing themselves
>>7955361 >embarrassing Sorry, this weren’t critics, as mentioned. You are implying that I was trying to make you feel bad. I am actually autistic. Social status doesn’t exist in my cognition.
>deconstructing the superficial stuff Completeness of symbolic destruction is proportional to time invested. I took a handful of minutes to make this list and skipped focal points or composition because they aren’t novelty.
>gladly eschew 'reality' Most artists don’t draw things that pass as real. The interpretation of the original point is distorted: «weird anatomy» doesn’t suggest deviation from expectation in shapes or volumes is undesirable. Weirdness is only a subset of atypical, and the former is something you appear to exploit. I’ve never suggested that this is good or bad. I wrote the points because I have to be autistically exhaustive, not because they are unique determinants of the preferences of yours.
>globally and locally The dilemma between local and global coherence has no solution. Local discordance can express potential for higher global coherence. This depends on the specifiqueness of the initial ideas, but some painterly approaches have no local coherence until all hierarchical harmonious or disharmonious relationships emerge as one in a final hyperobject. (e.g. https://x.com/ZacDRetz/status/2028897859043770884)
>>7955653 "private cord" holds no intrinsic bearing on what level of discourse goes on inside. It's nothing more than the natural result of a number of relatively like minded individuals conglomerating. A gathering of "intellectuals" will form a "private cord"-like union much like a crowd of dimwits would. Your lobsided interpretation of this term suggests that your ((erudition)) is nowhere near the level you've convinced yourself it to be, likely a consequence of your own echochamber consisting of you, yourself and ye alone.
>>7955657 as someone who used to frequent those private cords for so called intellectuals back in discords heyday i can say most of those would very often devolve into asinine catfights and dissolve within a few months at most only to splinter off into new cords and repeat the cycle again. you're not missing out on anything
>>7955739 i mean it's self explanatory discord peaked in activity around the start of the covid pandemic, and that's when all those people were making a hundred shitty cliquey cords to argue back and forth in. they're all on twitter now
>>7955752 >being nostalgic about discord and shitter and 2020 >intellectual btw holy grim this is the zoomzoom always complaining about 4chan and posting bottom of the barrel polslop btw
>>7955757 when did i say i was nostalgic about it tho. i said discord's heyday jokingly. i'm also not calling myself an intellectual that's what the guys in those cords were referring to themselves as it's not that serious
>>7955641 Fufu, relax. I took no offense to anything. I don't even disagree with what you've said for the most part. You're clearly a bit difficult and skittish, but that can be endearing too, I suppose. >coherence vs discordance It's surprising to see you use positive language like this, but it's a welcome change. There's technically no such thing as 'coherence' when it comes to art & composition, as you might've informed me before, but we can all feel what's pleasing, and that's enough. >local and global As far as visual arts go, I believe the precedence is always on the big over the small. That's just how we immediately see things, and it doesn't matter whether you're 'detail-oriented' or not (I am not). However, there's still a recursive tree-like holism to things à la a composition within a composition that you should pay attention to. I think about this most when working with strands of hair or cloth folds/wrinkles, for example. But It's nothing profound at the end of the day, just a pretentious way of saying 'managing details', if you'll let me indulge for a bit. This is to say nothing of inwards-out or outwards-in methodology, though, as that's a discussion for next time.
Lastly, if you want a more productive artist to study, I recommend @hanabushi. Quite fitting for your style, yeah? A bit elongated (heh) perhaps, but their Yugioh Live Twins artwork is much more approximate.
>>7956223 Coherence is denotational. Art is not inherently reducible to a formal structure, so informal coherence is emergence, of gestalt relations or of beauty. While I'm still learning, I value the highest perception but do not treat scale as a linear shape-hierarchical structure. A local compositional relation can carry the global emotion. Layered interpretation can equivocate double entendre. Artwork-level comprehension, or context-defined globality, depends on the viewer’s attention and preference. Thus the notion of order or scale in a serf-contextualizing fractal is subjective, like a universe within a universe.
The «difficult» framing is unwarranted. My points are neutral and inspired by style study series. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RFIu7CJeFw
>>7956818 prayer is a faggot but this type of >ermmmmm lil bro be talkin like sephiroth n shit reply is just irony podcaster cope trying to seem non-chalant while actually being buttmad about what was said
>>7956832 I know the type. Guys who are enrolled for like one semester, before realizing they don't have what it takes to see it through. Leaving with only the entry level knowledge which they later on try to larp with...
>>7956960 What's the point of yours? Anyway I had a great 2 hour gaming session now I'm gonna go for a walk and then I'll watch some anime before bed. See yah.
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>>7956223 In retrospect I regret making my initial post because I don’t want to be involved in distraction. Almost all the points I had cited were positive or complimenting, besides one which uses the «weird» terminology in a neutral sense without suggesting undesirability. I legitimately just wanted to understand what are the things that you were or could have been doing right, because I am literally the opposite of high self-confidence, with infinite self-doubt, which tempers with the liveliness of the characters I draw.
(With respect to coherence / discordance, a more straightforward terminology would be unity / distinction.)
>@hanabushi Thank you for the recommendation. This is interesting.
Well for me without going into TMI story time I "dropped out" of high school in the 11th grade to do online school not because I was retarded but because I couldn't stand being around the black students but then all the answers were on the internet, word for word, so I still wasn't learning anything. Stayed home and played world of warcraft all day and then it pissed me off so much that I asked my mom to drop out for good and just get a GED which my teachers tried to instill fear into everyone saying it'd be impossible to get a GED. Then I went to community college for like a semester because I was forced to and I didn't know what I wanted to do in the first place and being a shut in for so long rektd me to the point where going outside made me super anxious. It was really bad, like really bad. So I stopped going to classes and eventually lost my financial aid.
Believe me, I didn't know shit until I dropped out. I basically speedrun math by pirating mathtutordvd and whatever khan academy had at the time. It was the first time in my life I was learning things that the stupid teachers weren't teaching me and I couldn't learn in school anyway because every day, every god damn day Tyrone and Leqeeesha would make every single class disruptive to the point where the teacher just handed out papers and said "good luck". No lessons. I went to a shit school by accident. My high school life may have been different if I just went to the one nearest my house.
>>7957514 Computer sciences is the worst degree there is. How did prayer troll himself that bad. I'm not even making fun of him. I got ICT degree from a vocational school almost decace ago. I know how bad they have it, as I have not once benefited from that degree during the last 10 years
>>7957465 i am shota anon dropping in to say i actually didn't drop out. i decided to thug it out thinking it would get better. it did not, i'm failing most of my classes now. don't be like me guys...
>>7957542 i do architecture like cyclops, but that doesn't really translate into my art since i don't actually care for it in practice. i kind of wish it did because architects-turned-artists are usually really good at background environments which i envy. i've seen a lot of chinese dudes on artstation like that, i admire their autistic rendermonkey skills
The very idea of discord circlejerks disgust me to my fucking core but BOY do I wish prayer was never kicked out of his. Cause then at least these threads wouldn't have to be his substitute of choice for having actual friends.
>>7957465 >>7957514 >>7957609 I'm doing mechanical engineering. only in for the money though, I have no talent or passion for this shit. if I knew it was this hard I'd choose an easier stem degree like chemistry wip https://litter.catbox.moe/5q2jl0a28ddu612u.jpg
Casytay just won both atf banner contests The difference in votes was so high you can sum all other banners votes together and they still wouldnt get close
>When I draw a pretty loli, I think two things. One part wants me to take her out, talk to her, be real nice and sweet and treat her right >and the other part? >what her body would look like in a microbikini