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>>218880539
niggas in scotland be speaking gaylick XDDDDDDD

>always dead on weekends
normie general

Languages to speak with lovely ladies?
>>218882397
Ok, bumperinho

>>218883703
cześć

I am going to brute force learning to output like I brute forced the first Harry Potter volume
Idk if this will work but maybe it will

>>218884465
>brute force learning to output

How?

>>218884526
Intensive output basically
Every time you want to say something or write something you spend 10 minutes putting it together using AI to find the most idiomatic ways of expressing that thing
I can't output anything atm so it seems like the only way

>>218884247
Siema Eniu

bump

>>218884465
>like I brute forced the first Harry Potter volume
what was your level when you started on harry potter?

I'm considering trying to read it with my new TL in spite of being A0. For my intermediate TL, it probably took me 1.5 years before i could read it productively and actually get anything out of it.

there haven't been any studies on consuming alcohol while inputting but I bet some alcohol consumption is beneficial for interpretive flexibility. e.g picking up on slight connotative differences in words you might not have otherwise noticed when your filters are too high

>>218886163
Pretty low
I was searching up words every single sentence and all I really knew was the grammar and some function words
I recommend doing it if you can comfortably read one chapter a day

>>218886567
i shall input on meth. I will report my results

>>218883703
The language of the country you live in. So in your case it's Polish.

>>218886567
I generally find being drunk makes input hard to focus on. It does improve my output though significantly

How likely is it to get a girlfriend if I can speak French, as a 5'9 kpopmaxxed man?

>>218890793
100%

>>218887014
>I was searching up words every single sentence and all I really knew was the grammar and some function words
>I recommend doing it if you can comfortably read one chapter a day
hm, I hardly even know the grammar at this point.

i could probably do one page or a few paragraphs per day. but that's mostly to do with my combination of life schedule and language ability atm.

Salutate, viri illustres, estne hoc die bonus in nationes vostri?

>>218891920
salve, hispane bone. tempestas his diebus bona est. plus nivis casum esse credidi sed hac tempuratura gelida gaudeo. estne caelum serenum ubi habitas?

bump, ante morimur.

My new language is to compose a lament in Scottish Gaelic regarding the death of /lang/.

>>218895509
do you mean your new goal is to compose a lament in scottish gaelic or that you're making a new language to compose a lament in scottish gaelic?

>>218890793
was hast du auf die skurrile Idee gebracht, dass einer von uns Sonderlingen dir guten Rat über sowas erteilen könnte?

>>218895712
The former

Why are numbers so hard

>>218896776
they're very strongly ingrained into your brain in English so it will always be harder in other languages
doing maths in TL is so hard

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imagine only having verb 5 forms like japanese or 6 like english lolmao

>>218897818
i would've expected cultures with complex languages to be world superpowers with the amount of brainpower it takes for this

>>218898592
heavily agglutinative languages usually have difficulty adopting new vocabulary (especially verbs)
so it would actually make sense for them to be more backwards

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thinking of learning Pashto or Arabic...

I actually watched five or so lessons on Pashto and it was surprisingly not that complicated... but it would just be very hard to actually use it. Are there Pashto speakers on /int/?

زه برازیلی یم

I asked Chat-GPT to analyze my impromptu Discord incel rant, with no help or dictionary, on the likelihood that a native speaker wrote it. It declared that it is a native speaker with 95-99% certainty. I told it that it is in fact an L2 learner. It said that the learner is at least C1 in TL and shows signs of thought in TL.

But I'm A1.

TOTAL
CANADIAN
FILTERING

Not gonna lie I went back to the Arabic language academy, and I am doing its classes and trying to cram modules so I can catch up as the semester will wrap up in about a month.
The linguistic rigor of that academy is so granular I think it will even push my English fluency further.
In the Balagha module, or the closest translation "Rhetoric", for instance, a rule of eloquence is that you have to say the appropriate words in the appropriate context to be eloquent, and even saying the most eloquent expression in a context that does not warrant it is a weakness of proficiency.
They also go about the etymology of the words, and how several plural variants of the word "sword" can either indicate an abundance of swords or a scarcity of swords and how even eloquent poets had made etymological mistakes by using a "weakening" root variant of the plural of a particular word in poetry line that was supposed to express power and dominance, and how the correct usage is to change the word root to be more appropriate.
This shit is so nuanced I feel like it's a second language, not my native language lmao...

By the way, I chose my language fluency triad (Arabic, English, and GERMAN).
I am just not sure if I should start German now or after I wrap up the Arabic academy's stuff.

>>218900422
in what language? and how long was the text? did you use only the present tense? these are all to be considered

>>218900517
Arabic is really beautiful because of all those little nuances and also because of its classical tradition. I'm considering it; and luckily there are Christian texts to read in Arabic

Do I just study really slowly or is one hour a super short time to study? In that duration I do like a few minutes of listening, learn 10 words max, and maybe some grammar rule or phrase.

>>218900786
I only ask Chat-GPT to grade medium to long segments. I used complex grammar that was equivalent of what I would have written in NL. The TL is unimportant.

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>>218897818
Ancient Greek
Remember that verbs are highly irregular

Started learning French, decided to use Language Transfer this time.
God bless Language Transfer. New favourite language learning tool(? If you can call it that) fr

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>>218898592
Zulugods...

After a little over a year Jap is finally starting to come together for me. I can watch easier anime and understand like 85% of what I'm hearing. Feeling pretty pumped about it bros. All our effort pays off in the end.

How many of you here learn your language because you need to (work, moving, etc), and how many of you are learning it just because you want to (travel, gf, for fun, etc)?

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>>218905239
Learning TL is a need.

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>>218905239
I have no real "why", I think it's just my special autistic interest.

>>218905678
You and I are quite alike after all.

>>218905036
How often and long do you study? Being able to understand so much in just over a year sounds crazy for Japanese. I see people who have been learning it for years still say they barely know anything
>>218905239
Just for fun. What's nice about America is that English is really the only language that's a necessity to know, to the north are more English speakers, and to the south are third worlders so they don't matter.
In some areas it is useful to know Spanish, but it's just in really specific scenarios and Spanish is also like the easiest language in the world to learn

>>218905903
I can follow content in korean semi-well after a year. Ive been crazy obsessed though not just studying casually. I could've done it faster with japanese, the resources are way better.
pop up dictionaries and shit don't really work for deciphering korean morphology and its hard to recognize korean words in real time from learning them in isolation and the CI/graded material all sucks so there's no way to get good at korean aside from thousands of hours of spam native input or talking with natives
With Japanese there's tons of good CI + readers + materials + the morphology and phonology are way easier. I unironically wish I went for japanese instead

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/lang/ which of these dresses looks better? Tysm and sorry if nothing to do with languages

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>>218900517

>>218906178
blue with straps

>>218905678
based

>>218906694
Thanks, Canada friend

>>218905903
It helps that I've been unemployed for several months so I have the time to do a ton of anki and get a ton of input binging anime lol. But even with that advantage I can only watch a few of the easiest shows. I still get filtered by most stuff.

>>218906876
np

I'm pretty sure my gf from Slovakia considers our relationship, which she didn't outright deny, to be some sort of unserious internet meme. I guess it's back to talking to AI chatbots for me.

today's language learning is over

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>>218905239
>gf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhKGtgcZghc

How does learning a dead language work? Do you even practice pronunciation or forming your own sentences? How do you not forget it considering the limited content and usage?

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>want to learn Danish because I like Danish movies and culture
>realistically I should learn German because I'm dating a German woman who wants to bring me to Germany
Terrible stuff, really.

>>218908742
no gf, wife
rice fairy wife

How do I obtain more RAM for my brain to learn more languages to proficiency?

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>>218911559
meth could make you more effective at language learning. it is something to look into.

>>218909199
You study the grammar and hopefully get a chance at acquiring it then you start reading texts.
I sit down, open up a text and start reading with a dictionary
>How do you not forget it
I don't think my forgetting curve is any different for a living language vs a dead language
>the limited content and usage?
I don't know why you'd think it has a significant impact
If anything it can make it easier

I don't want to learn cyrillic but i think i am filtering myself from valuable childrens input materials.

also
>can't differentiate Č and Ć
>can't differentiate Dž and đ
is it over?

>>218912215
A lot of natives especially in Croatia don't distinguish them either

>>218908501
owari da

>>218905239
>How many of you here learn your language because you need to (work, moving, etc)
Thirdie mentality
>how many of you are learning it just because you want to (travel, gf, for fun, etc)?
Westoid mentality

>>218906178
If you are white and blonde, the blue one would look better. If you are white but brunette the black will look straight fuego dude.
If you are any other race, the black one will look better :3

>>218907994
Obviously you need to get a Czech baddie to make her jealous

>>218910553
Modafinil

You see I told you the troon was mtf

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Ive been starting to immerse myself in French. Its funny cos i know english so well, and have studied it, so now im basically still learning english since about 1/3 of its words come from french

>>218906057
do you find this too? i find watching korean news kind of unpleasant and stressful, whilst japanese news is calm and nice, transfixing almost. it's the difference between the news of "just another asian country" and the special country.

>>218906178
Does crossdressing help with language learning?

>>218912894
Don't tell the British nationalists this. They will lose their minds.

>>218913065
Yes. Join LGBT discord servers in your TL and you will get exposed to the LGBT slang of that language, among having a safe space to attempt to communicate with strange creatures

>>218905239
Isn't it both? If you emigrate somewhere, you want to have a girlfriend there, be able to find your place in the country, and meet people from that culture, do trips within the country etc.

>>218913117
we made French words better by removing the WOKE genders

>>218913117
Just facts. Nothing to be ashamed about. English is basically
1/3 french
1/3 latin
1/10 old norse, but the norse words are very basic and often-used, so

>to have
>they, then
>arm
>leg
>skirt, shirt
>Thursday, Friday

>>218913188
>they, them*

>>218913163
>no clear division between the genders
>anti-woke
I have a theory that all this confusion within the Anglosphere exist because you don't have grammatical genders.
For example, we have a neuter gender, but it is impossible to create a neutral personal pronoun in Polish because each subsequent word must decline in the same way.

>>218913256
Did you hear about Finnish? We have no gender OR articles. How crazy is that??

>>218912215
Try to associate dž and č to n word with hard R whereas ć and đ are bird chirps and babytalk

>>218913433
Finnish is really a superior language. Inflections make the possibilities for word plays endless. It has so much potential for poetry, literature, songs etc. If we just had more speakers and less lifeschoolers

>>218909199
if you want to use the language instead of just reading it, yeah pretty much.
>How do you not forget it
consistent practice i guess

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How to tell apart Norwegian and Danish in writing?
I swear to God, they look completely the same, where's the difference?

>>218900473
I don't blame you I'd do it if I was you
>>218900786
TL is polish
>>218905239
I have fun
>>218905678
That's what normies call a "hobby"
>>218909199
If it's dead you can make up your own pronunciation, the language belongs to you now

>>218915523
norsk has more unvoiced letters (p t k)
dansk has more voiced letters (b d g) especially at the ends of words
also if you see "af" it's danish and "av" it's norwegian

>>218913433
Literally the only Finns I've seen here who stood out were the gay/trans and the SAAR poster

>>218917337
you forget kat, the canada obsessed schizo troon

Bonan matenon al ĉiuj. Kiel vi?

>>218917337
crazy to want to stand out in "anon" imageboard. ppl should just go to reddit if they want to larp some internet personality.

/lang/ activity is directly correlated with the number of challenges posted/day

>>218909199
the same as any living language but with a lot of reading and more grammar study since dead languages worth learning tend to be grammatically complex classical languages

>>218919182
I used an anecdote as an argument that the lack of grammatical gender favors woke things. In Poland, when they tried to make an equivalent of they/them etc., they came up with Silesian. It's impossible

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>>218915840
thanks

Reminder that physical beatings are the best way to achieve rapid fluency in your TL. The French Foreign Legion can teach any retard on earth French within 6 months simply by smacking the recruit around a little when he doesn't answer in French or if he misunderstands an instruction.

Bump

>>218923289
Need a Vietnamese milf to hit me with a slipper every time I fuck up their pronunciation fr

>>218923289
need a natasha to take $50 out of my wallet every time i get a declension wrong

at a certain age I think it is impossible to learn a new language out of zero.I have zero hope, but I wish I spoke german

>>218927477
ask your grandparents for help

>>218927657
my grandpa spoke german when he was a kid but now he's dead

>>218927477
Yeah, but that age is probably like 80. I think you can definitely learn another language if you're able to post on 4chan. Especially if you just learn another romance language, not sure your goals. The main limitation is that after a certain age you just have less free time.

>>218927856
Doh, I realize you said German. You can learn German if you speak Portuguese and English bro. It's going to be hard but totally doable.

>>218927888
>>218927856
i know
but it's soooooooooooo hard

Learning German rn and it's difficult. It should be easier for me because Polish has cases and English has articles and I should have it easier, but it's still hard. Daily motivation and discipline are a big challenge. When I learned languages with better music, I was more willing to sit down and study. And this applies to cultural works of a language in general. That's why weebs are so good. The vocabulary is also quite foreign

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>>218920750
>/lang/ activity is directly correlated with the number of challenges posted/day

Language apps have become over hated for a long time. Yeah they are not good to become fluent, they're too gamified and not difficult enough, and the recent replacement of native speaker created content with AI slop makes them less pedagogically sound, but you can for sure develop a decent base in them. They have a structured course and they make you produce by doing speaking tests, rearranging words, and so on. And production makes things stick more in your mind than just an anki card training only passive recognition.

I think the language learning community overall leans extremely politically to the left so they hate the idea of corporations making money off app subscriptions and there's also the very strong dogma that only gooning input, anki cards, and paying for tutors can be useful and that using anything that has a structured course of study and progression (like classes and textbooks too) are wastes of time and evil.

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My Dad's Italian but he never taught me because he thought I would get bullied like he did. Wnat to finally learn so I'm looking for some materials in bookstores. Are either of these worth anything? Which one is better?

>>218929415
I don't actually expect to be properly fluent in just 3 months but as materials in general on my learning path, are they of worth?

>>218929186
>you can for sure develop a decent base in them.
Slowly, yes. They don't teach you anything more though, and people easily grow complacent thanks to them, which is why you have people out there who have been trying and failing the N4 for an entire decade, or have been learning Spanish for over a decade but don't even know how to say goodbye.
>I think the language learning community
Like 95% of the "community" uses language learning apps. Even the people who say they're shit and not to use them do so.

>>218929415
No read this
https://archive.org/details/LitalianoSecondoIlMetodoNatura
You can listen to it recited here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YGwH92yoxI&list=PLf8XN5kNFkhfQonvCySTrKEUV742WzshJ

>>218927856
the main advantage kids have over adults is that they have lower expectations and don't get upset if they don't see results right away. that's what I read from the research on it. adults give up way faster and become frustrated way more easily and this factor dwarfs any biological difference in predicting learning outcomes

What do you think about Cymraec

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>site about tibet
>Xizang
>Potala palace with a PRC flag backdrop
>from serf to millionaire
>english, chinese and tibetan site language options
>picking tibetan sends you to a dead domain
>同心·共铸中国心
>pop-ups for PRC sponsored tour companies

>>218930021
This seems real. Learning anything from scratch at a certain age seems humiliating. Imagine you want to learn to draw and some 14-year-olds are doing it better. Or you want to learn a new thing and there are 20-year-olds who know the craft or job better and you're basically their junior / kohai / student. Same with languages

>>218930127
I once had a conversation with an Uyghur friend about Xinjiang, and I think what she said would apply to Tibet quite well.
人文水平很低。basically, the people are not cultured. for the most part, they do not care about their language, their history, and their culture. They are much more preoccupied with daily matters and mainstream Chinese culture. In Xinjiang this now also applies to religion, but I think that might be different in Tibet

In Kashgar most kids couldn't write or read in Uyghur. In Turpan, I asked a girl working in a shop نېمە ئىسمىڭىز؟ and she answered 雷亚. Throughout all of Xinjiang it is much the same story, boomers only speak Uyghur, gen x and millenials speak both Uyghur and Chinese with an accent, gen z speaks Chinese first and Uyghur second. People don't read or consume culture in their own language, only through Chinese. I searched for Uyghur books in every city I went to and was only able to find a few shelves in the biggest Xinhua shudian in Urumqi. At least slop TV dramas are still around, I don't think those exist for Tibetan. Also, due to the sizeable amount of Uyghurs who have very limited understanding of Chinese, the government still has to publish news and propaganda in Uyghur for them.

Anyway, what I am trying to say is that you can't treat Chinese minority languages like other national languages, because they simply are not. There will be minimal content in them and what you do see will be suspect. Although, recently on xiaohongshu I saw someone making comics in Tibetan, which gave me a little hope.

>>218929881
Thanks for the rec though I would prefer something physical.

Spanish is hard

>>218930830
no es

>>218930882
You know Portuguese so it doesn't count since they're very similar

>>218930830
No es, gringo

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>>218927477
If only you knew how easy this shit really was.

>>218930830
Yes, people underestimate Spanish because of a few reasons. First, you have Portguese speakers saying it's easy (they share ~90% vocabulary with Spanish). But seriously, English speakers think Spanish is easy because they see 'Yo quiero un taco' and think 'well, I just learned Spanish'. But Spanish grammar is hard for an English native speaker. Pronouns work quite differently, tons of verb forms, the subjunctive, etc. Native speakers also talk fast as hell and there are a ton of different accents (not a huge deal for Spaniards and Latinos, but hard for everyone else).

Still, Spanish and French are considered to be the easiest languages for English speakers to learn. French has really tough pronunciation and Spanish has tough grammar. The flip side of that is French sentences are usually a lot closer to English sentences and Spanish is so phonetic it makes listening, reading, and writing a lot easier. Every other major language is even harder then these. /lang/ is tough job.

>>218910255
Jeg forstå det

>>218930362
Loser mindset

>>218931765
I'm not saying to do nothing, but it's still frustrating as hell

>>218929186
It's because the profit motive is in direct opposition to your goals. Any language learning subscription service benefits by keeping you subscribed for as long as possible. It is bad for them if you learn too efficiently. They are incentivized to find the sweet spot where you learn as slowly as possible without making you give up due to a lack of progress.

>>218931926
NTA, but what is upsetting you is pride. It's all in your head and it means nothing. It's important to always stay humble, even if you get good at a skill there is always more to learn.

>>218931443
>Spanish and French are considered to be the easiest languages for English speakers to learn
This gets repeated a lot because of that american foreign service classification or whatever it was but the other Germanic languages are way easier than any romance language.

>>218932145
I mean the fundamental issue is that people 1) waste their whole childhood/teens in a school system that sucks where you don't learn anything useful and 2) most kids aren't taught deliberate practice skills and the importance of deliberate practice every day.

sure you can and should learn skills at any age but the ideal solution is to have the things that are most important to you locked down and learned at an early age since the rest of your life will be so much easier and more pleasant afterwards

>>218932499
don't retain anything useful* (obviously there are useful subjects taught at school but you statistically forget almost 90% of everything you learn in school since the system is so bad)

>>218929881
How do I go about using it since it's all in Italian already

>>218932616
You're supposed to read it and intuit things about how the language works.
So for example you have two parallel sentences, 'Carlo Rossi è un uomo' and 'Teresa Rossi è una donna'
We see in the image that Carlo Rossi is a man, Teresa Rossi is a woman
So what could these parallel sentences mean?
In the margin it's trying to draw your attention to the fact that you need a word in front of uomo and donna but when you switch from uomo to donna, it changes from un to una
Then there is è, what could that word be?

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morning bump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W33lh1BtkfQ

>>218890793
>5’9
It’s over, they want 5’11 plus kpop chad

>>218930435
The problem with minority languages in the mainland is that the Chinese government only makes the problem worse by reducing, if not completely banning, education in these languages. From what I've heard you can't even get education in Uyghur at this point, not even in primary, meanwhile Tibetan is no longer a compulsory subject in the SAR from this 高考 onwards, it's probably not long until it's no longer compulsory in primary education, though Tibetan dialects actually holds strong in comparison to other languages in the region due to them being passed on in rural communities; In fact Tibetan diasporas in neighbouring countries like Nepal and India fare far worse when it comes to passing down the language.
The lack of content is a given for languages ~10m speakers, but Tibetan, Uyghur and Mongolian all have hundreds of years worth of literature that has been effectively reduced to university research material since the CCP has been waging a campaign against religious communities for decades now, esp. Abrahamic ones.
though the funniest (or saddest) thing about those culture sites is that one actually had a tibetan language version once upon a time, before being taken down and the english site was just never updated to remove the option
it's sad that the CCP wants to reduce the chinese people (han included) to consumers of highly controlled and processed mass media since that's what creates a more controllable population, culture and history be damned outside of period dramas that are about events thousands of years removed from the modern day

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anyone here taken a B1/B2/C1?

i've signed up for my b1 exam because i am expecting to pass without problems, and then move onto b2. i would rather not stress too much about it and just use it as experience to practice the format of the exam. unless i fail, then i will be really sad.

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pg10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=140sr_hefQE

>>218910255
Where do I get one?

>>218935280
I took a B2 exam for French. I found a tutor on italki that actually is a proctor for the exams so she was super useful. We did a bunch of practice exams and she gave me all kinds of tips. I definitely recommend it, made the exam 10x easier and less stressful

>>218935229
>>218930435
it's frankly so disturbing how there's such tried and true methods for destroying minority languages and cultures. It's been effectively done countless times and still is happening today. Makes my skin crawl.

>>218938588
That’s just how it is. The dominant dominate. Many languages will be lost in the future as the world map changes and certain cultures dominate over others.

Can anyone translate the last couple minutes of this video where she's in the shower?
https://pimpbunny.com/videos/khalamite-gets-fucked-in-a-gangbang/

>>218939593
Can I?
Yes

Will I?
No

>>218939699
Pretty please anon. I can pay you back.

>>218932968
Ah I see, that is clever. I see on amazon it's available in two volumes or a combined version, I prefer physical over PDFs so do you have any insight into which edition is better?

>>218935229
Yes education in uyghur has been nonexistent since 2017. Teachers and students are not allowed to speak it in schools.
Uyghur literature pre-1920s is difficult for modern speakers to read because it doesn't mark vowels and uses more Persian grammar
>Reduce the population to highly controlled slop consumers
Research the 愚民政策

>>218932499
If you decide to learn a language as an adult it probably wasn't important to you as a kid
People change, that's why it's a good thing we never lose the ability to learn

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>>218897818
the conjugations themselves look reasonable desu as long as they're regular. prefix + root + suffix
the grammar of when to use them looks tricky tho

>>218899024
what's the difference between heavily agglutinative and regular agglutinative?
Philippine languages are agglutinative but they don't seem to have trouble with using new verbs, because generally any noun can become the root of a verb. Here biro just means joke, but you can generally plug anything into the template and make words like nagwawalk (walks) or nakakaforest (causing or favorable to forests)

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This is a take of a Korean regarding Germans

>>218940803
Based germs, nobody likes listening to you whine

What's the best method to learn Russian? I downloaded the Colloquial Russian textbook. What else should I do?

Bonan matenon. Kiel vi?

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The method these guys are using is a bit odd but honestly it's still fun to check similarities between languages. http://elinguistics.net/

Gives me a rough idea of how mutually intelligible two languages in the same family are

>>218944921
fuck i forgot to crop like a retard

>>218941515
Pimsleur and/or glossika, duolingo and memrise arent that bad either as a daily exercise supplement. Once you know enough id recommend V Puti and Terence Wade's Grammar Reference + Workbook, but I dont know much about your textbook so idk what it covers. Id still recommend them though. And of course input and media in TL.

Where do you get your words to add to your anki deck, and how do you decide which ones you are gonna add?

>>218944921
>The distance between English and Dutch is: 21,8
>The distance between English and Danish is: 24,6
>The distance between English and Norwegian(bokmal) is: 28,3
>The distance between English and Swedish is: 31,0
>The distance between English and German is: 31,3
>The distance between English and Icelandic is: 42,8
>The distance between English and French is: 46,9
>The distance between English and Italian is: 52,5
>The distance between English and Russian is: 52,5
>The distance between English and Serbian is: 52,5
>The distance between English and Portuguese is: 56,5
>The distance between English and Romanian is: 57,4
>The distance between English and Polish is: 59,0
>The distance between English and Spanish is: 59,3
>The distance between English and Bulgarian is: 61,8
>The distance between English and Welsh is: 67,7
>The distance between English and Hindi is: 68,9
>The distance between English and Greek_(modern) is: 72,1
>The distance between English and Albanian_(Tosk) is: 76,5
>The distance between English and Persian is: 77,3
>The distance between English and Irish is: 78,5
>The distance between English and Armenian is: 84,4
>The distance between English and Arabic is: 85,5
>The distance between English and Finnish is: 85,6
>The distance between English and Hungarian is: 88,4
>The distance between English and Basque is: 97,2

fascinating

anyone here pay for dreaming spanish/french?
is it worth it or nah. been just watching the free videos while i aim train

>>218946545
IIRC it just uses a wordlist of like 18 words and scores the languages based on how similar the consonants are for those languages. Apparently it's considered an ok method for IE languages but more questionable for non-IE languages
But based on the results it seems reasonable at least for English

>>218935280
why are you doing a B1? i have thought about it but it didn't seem that useful and kind of expensive

>>218946730
I pay for DS and yeah. There's a lot more interesting content behind the paywall. Worth the 8$ in my opinion.

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>>218947783
>tibetan - mandarin: 85.0
>tibetan - sumerian: 79.6
we don't even know exactly what sumerian sounded like because of the logographic script and what we do know got filtered through akkadian and eblaite
>dzongkha (bhutanese tibetan) - mandarin: 76.6
>tibetan - sorbian_lower 75.0
>tibetan - polish 75.0
>tibetan - rusyn 73.1
>tibetan - sorbian_upper 70.1
>tibetan - czech 70.1
>tibetan - slovak 70.1
>tibetan - kashubian 70.1
(they forgot Silesian)
they don't state whether old tibetan, classical tibetan or lhasa tibetan is being compared (1200 year temporal range)
>english - kashubian 61.8

>>218944921
Polish vs
>Russian
8.4
>Croatian
10.1
>Czech
8.5
>Slovak
7.5
>Slovene
8.1
>Belarusian
10.8
>Ukrainian
7.8
>Spanish
47.9
>Italian
41.3
>French
50.5
>Latin
53
>Portuguese
50
>Swedish
49.2
>German
53.1
>Dutch
59.6
>Danish
57.1
>Norwegian
55.7
>English
59
>Old English
52
>Lithuanian
41.7
>Latvian
48.8
>Estonian
74.5
>Japanese
93.3
I'm kind of surprised, especially within Germanic language group. The methodology is weird though

I feel archaic and out of style when I learn Classical Arabic bros... Should I switch to a modern, living language instead?

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>>218929415
Tested with Lithuanian, interesting observation I saw was how Slavic languages were often times on the verge of the "closely related" range, with some (e.g. Czech, Russian, Croatian) falling just outside of it, and other barely getting in (e.g. Polish, Ukrainian, Serbian).
Funnily, Latin had a closer distance to Lithuanian (39.7) than any of the Slavic languages I tested. The closest distance was with Prussian (25.0), and after checking the details, I can say that there's some bullshit going on kek (e.g. Aulaūtwei and Mirti are apparently closely related, giving about 57 points, but Rānkā and Ranka are apparently worth only 66 points, and the clearly related "Undan" and "Vanduo" get a total of 0 points).
No Latgalian or Samogitian, unfortunately.
>>218950386
You can see what words are being compared to eхactly by scrolling down a bit and clicking the details button (see also picrel).
According to the footnotes, it sources all of its Tibetian words from "MALHERBE, Michel. Les langages de l'humanité Paris : Robert Laffont, 1995. ISBN : 2-221-05947-6, p. 1596 – 1599 and en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Tibeto-Burman_Swadesh_lists "

>>218940063
The book is well out of official print so anything you see online will probably be a gamble quality wise

>>218940801
Replied to wrong post, dammit
>>218929415
But still, a side note: as I've heard from Italians online, many of the migrants to the Americas and etc. never spoke modern standard Italian (i.e. what those teхtbooks teach), they spoke their local dialects, which were/are noticeably different from the standard language (especially those in the South, from where the larger part of the migrants were), to the point that they can be considered separate languages within their own right.
Just something to keep in mind.

>>218940803
germans usually lack a sense of national pride and only have regional pride. thus, there's a large difference between regional cultures. in some places germans are extremely chill and in other places very gay and egoistic and uptight. there is no in-between it's always one or the other

>>218951790
>Latin had a closer distance to Lithuanian (39.7)
the Baltic languages are simply so conservative that you can easily spot cognate terms in old IE languages like Latin, Ancient Greek and even Sanskrit, in fact some languages being more conservative and some being less is the reason why this consonant based algorithm doesn't work that well. Mandarin was getting 85.0 because it deviates a lot from the other Sino-Tibetan languages in phonology, comparatively more conservative Sinitic languages like Cantonese and Hakka were getting <60 with Tibetan

>>218951939
Italy being unified really late in comparison to Spain and France caused the dialects to survive and naturally evolve into separate languages without a centralised government interfering and killing them off (see France), nowadays most Italians still speak their local dialect and they learn standard (Tuscan) Italian through school. also since most Italian immigrants to america came from the south the languages they spoke would have primarily been Neapolitan and Sicilian, which are somewhat mutually intelligible with standard italian but not so much with the northern "dialects" (languages)

unrelated but it's funny how protective france is of its language even though they themselves killed off nearly every minority language within their country in order to propagate parisian french, i guess it isn't as nice being on the receiving end esp. when it's English's historically unparalleled lingua franca power doing so without even trying

>>218944921
Turns out I replied to the wrong post. Again.
>>218953751
I think in this case, inconsistent methodology plays a relevant part too, e.g. in Ancient Greek, the s in "treis" does not get counted in the consonant root (i.e. it is T-R), but it gets counted in Lithuanian (T-R-S). Ranka gets counted as R-K (presumably to increase relatedness with Latvian and the Slavic langs), but the eхact same term in Prussian gets treated as R-N-K. Du gets treated as -D-, despite the (e.g.) genitive being dviejų. Latvian uses the verb "to die" instead of the noun, purely because the noun happens to lack commonly used cognates (nāve), yet even then, for some absolutely ineхplicable reason, the present 3rd person form "mirst" (root M-R-S-T) is used instead of just the infinitive (mirt, M-R-T). That's not to mention that the -ti/-t part is technically not part of the root (cf. he died in Lithuanian - jis mirė, in Latvian - viņš mira), this is the approach that is taken by the website when dealing with Latin (mori, root M-R, despite a word like mors/mortis being arguably more recognisable).

tl;dr at least for some indo-european languages, the methodology applied is very inconsistent.

we all gonna make it

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>>218952293
what places are chill? Bavaria?

best free tts for Anki?

there should be something good by now instead of the same robot shit I used in 2020

Which European languages to use in Europe do you think are worth trying?
>>218929186
>>218929727
>>218931963
I'm considering using an app to accelerate my learning. The basics are just plain boring and degrading.

>>218956660
Yeah Duolingo is not that bad for the more popular languages. People say it's slow and repetitive but you can always skip and test out of sections you find easy.

>>218956821
I was thinking about some cool apps like Babbel or Busuu. Learning with yt or kids shows doesn't seems to be more effective, quicker or less repetitive

>>218913188
>>skirt, shirt
this difference exists because one is native and is loaned
skirt from ON, shirt from Old English, and due to both words existing in parallell, they came to mean different things

>>to have
>>arm
>>Thursday, Friday
these are native

>>218931443
>spanish
>tons of verb forms
that's comical; one has to be a native english speaker to say such a thing

what do you think about Cymraeg Canol

Understanding exactly what a native speaker said on a video where the AI generated subtitles got it wrong is the most smug *SL feeling.

>>218946730
It's $8 a month. I have a subscription, and think it's it worth it for me. Obviously whether it's "worth it" for you is going to be a subjective, relative evaluation. If you believe that spending any money on learning a language is foolish when you could possibly learn the language for free, then it won't live up to that standard. What Dreaming Spanish does have is a large collection of videos in one place. I can sort by "Easy" and I have a stream of easy comprehensible videos I can watch as long as my time or concentration permits.

It's not perfect. Some videos are higher quality than others. Some of the videos are more interesting than others. But for $8, I can't complain too much. I just open the website, watch the CI videos as much as I feel like, and hopefully learn Spanish eventually. I don't have to plan how I'm going to study, search for resources, or make any decisions for myself. I just follow the plan. I can spend the time and mental energy I would have otherwise spent on Spanish on studying something else (like Latin).

What you'll notice is if you're just watching free videos is that if you sort by difficulty, you'll rise through the difficulty ratings quicker than your understanding advances. You could potentially squeeze more out of the free videos by rewatching them more than once.

Dreaming French doesn't have a lot of videos so it's less clear that it's worth $8 a month (or $4 a month if you are already paying for the Spanish subscription). Scrolling through the list, I'm going to guess that even if you watched all the videos, it would only be enough to put you somewhere in level 2 (between 50 and 150 hours), and really not even that because you probably wouldn't be advanced enough to count the more advanced videos as CI.

following software/art/CG/etc tutorials in your TL is surprisingly good intermediate level CI and you can practice two skills at once

Kie estas la alia esperantistoj? Miaj samlingvuloj?

>>218958876
Whoa... an actual trvthnvke on /lang/?

>Cebuano (which has 20+ million native speakers) is only taught in school up until Grade 3 even in Cebuano speaking areas
>the rest of schooling must be done in English or Tagalog
>no national philippine bookstores carry any books in Cebuano, only English or Tagalog
I'm starting to get why Cebuanos hate Tagalogs so much for forcing Tangalog on everyone when there used to be more Cebuano than Tagalog speakers ~70 years ago

>>218958876
Cooking videos are great for this too. If you learn the cooking related vocab, an A2 can easily understand 95% of a cooking video

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>>218944921
The distance between Latin and Occitan is: 15,6
The distance between Latin and Catalan is: 16,5
The distance between Latin and Venetian is: 17,2
The distance between Latin and Neapolitan is: 20,0
The distance between Latin and Italian is: 20,1
The distance between Latin and French is: 22,8
The distance between Latin and Sicilian is: 22,8
The distance between Latin and Corsican is: 22,9
The distance between Latin and Galician is: 23,1
The distance between Latin and Portuguese is: 24,7
The distance between Latin and Asturian is: 24,9
The distance between Latin and Friulian is: 24,9
The distance between Latin and Ladin is: 25,6
The distance between Latin and Walloon is: 25,6
The distance between Latin and Spanish is: 26,1
The distance between Latin and Provencal is: 26,5
The distance between Latin and Lombard is: 27,1
The distance between Latin and Piedmontese is: 28,3
The distance between Latin and Romansch is: 28,5
The distance between Latin and Ligurian is: 31,5
The distance between Latin and Romanian is: 40,9
The distance between Latin and Sardinian is: 41,6
The distance between Latin and Istro-Romanian is: 44,3

Interesting

>>218944921
>>218946545
All the Germanic languages on the list from closest to furthest

The distance between English and Dutch is: 21,8
The distance between English and Afrikaans is: 22,5
The distance between English and Old_English is: 24,1
The distance between English and Danish is: 24,6
The distance between English and Flemish is: 27,3
The distance between English and Norwegian(bokmal) is: 28,3
The distance between English and Letzebuergesch is: 30,4
The distance between English and Frisian is: 30,7
The distance between English and Swedish is: 31,0
The distance between English and German is: 31,3
The distance between English and Pennsylvania_Dutch is: 31,3
The distance between English and Norwegian(nynorsk) is: 33,6
The distance between English and Old_High_German is: 33,8
The distance between English and Old_Norse is: 40,1
The distance between English and Faroese is: 41,3
The distance between English and Gothic is: 41,5
The distance between English and Icelandic is: 42,8

>>218964374
And the Romance languages, just for shits n giggles

The distance between English and French is: 46,9
The distance between English and Walloon is: 52,2
The distance between English and Italian is: 52,5
The distance between English and Neapolitan is: 52,6
The distance between English and Sicilian is: 52,6
The distance between English and Asturian is: 53,7
The distance between English and Provencal is: 54,6
The distance between English and Venetian is: 55,6
The distance between English and Catalan is: 56,0
The distance between English and Galician is: 56,1
The distance between English and Romansch is: 56,2
The distance between English and Friulian is: 56,3
The distance between English and Portuguese is: 56,5
The distance between English and Occitan is: 56,9
The distance between English and Piedmontese is: 57,3
The distance between English and Romanian is: 57,4
The distance between English and Sardinian is: 57,4
The distance between English and Corsican is: 58,1
The distance between English and Ladin is: 58,1
The distance between English and Lombard is: 58,6
The distance between English and Spanish is: 59,3
The distance between English and Istro-Romanian is: 61,1
The distance between English and Ligurian is: 62,7

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>Easy
Do I need to bring the bins out tonight? I'm not sure if it's recycling or trash tomorrow.
It feels like it's been raining for weeks.
I should call someone to fix the washing machine.

>Medium
Really? You actually liked that garbage movie? The plot was so predictable and the actors were barely trying.
Listen, just because I had lunch with that Epstein creep once doesn't mean I fucked kids.

>Hard
Next, add the minced onions. Sautée them until they turn translucent, then deglaze the pan with chicken stock, scraping the bottom with a wooden spatula.

>>218944921
Yiddish and German are 9.4, unsurprisingly. I've heard about this from native German speakers and discovered it when doing some digging myself

The treatment is working and I started committing to studying. I find it 10 times easier to initiate tasks and continue doing them.
MY problem is, is Classical Arabic worth committing to FOR 4 years? Or should I switch to a living language?

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Day 2192:
Patient still believes he will some day learn a language despite making zero progress in years. Increasing dosage of anti-psychotics. If this state persists, the team will soon employ daily sessions of electroshock therapy.

>>218967606
Well, fuck you then. Up until now I always had a good reason to not learn a language but now that I can learn a language I get made fun of. I will just learn a language in private, I guess. So sad...

>>218967606
Don't be rude
>>218966942
congrats anon!

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>>218967606
Was this about Jordie or about me?

Speaking of mental illness, remember Schizov?

For experts: How difficult is it to master Swedish or Norwegian or Dutch pronunciation compared to German?
I'm considering changing the language because I want to finally master one at a solid B2 level by the end of the year, and my German is not going like clockwork, but I know something and these languages are similar to German. Pitch accents doesn't seems to be difficult but I'm more scared of the vowels and the small amount of resources

Or I'll take up Italian or Spanish. My dream is to start working in a foreign language, other than English, within a year. I want to learn the language and build my skillset and certification or whatever I need within a year. And work remotely in Poland or in the country of my TL.

>>218966942
What even is there to read in Classical Arabic other than the Quran?

>>218968489
B2 in any language in <12 months is a big ask. It's doable but only if you treat it like a full-time job and it's a language very similar to one you already speak. A0 -> B1 is a lot more reasonable but still requires a lot of dedication
Unless you started German like a week ago you're probably better off sticking with it. I'm guilty of obsessing over pronunciation too, but as long as you can make a sound vaguely similar to the original then you're good. You're definitely not gonna get to B2 in a year when you spend a big chunk of the time trying to have a perfect accent.

>>218969864
That's why I focused on languages similar to those I know like English or those with easy (from the Polish perspective) pronunciation. I still need to acquire competences for office work and polish my English (I have a distinct accent because everyone said it wasn't important, but it is important). Only with German or northern languages in general like Danish or Dutch I could get any kind of job and start living in this country earlier and accelerate my language learning (although I don't really want to do it, it's more of a last resort). Southern languages have super easy pronunciation for Poles, but I would have to try harder to earn any money in these countries or have at least B2 and some necessary skills for working in Poland. Migration there is not very profitable unless you have some business or a chance to get a position in large companies
I definitely won't master German at B1 level even by the end of the year, fuck my life. It's not even about pronunciation, although German has a strange flow, but about grammar and speaking naturally and correctly

my grammar fuccking sucks when i write or speaks in french

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>>>/co/152365872

Sanegara va zolonafa wimbra : Swalot ke Tawava.
Suterotafa wimbra, 1-eafa karba dem 102 bu, malfrancavayana vey « The Pillars of the Earth » suterot gan Ken Follett.

Publication of an important comic book: Swalot ke Tawava (The Pillars of the Earth).
Graphic novel, volume 1, 102 pages, translated in Kotava from French and based on Ken Follett's novel ‘The Pillars of the Earth’.
Here: https://heyzine.com/flip-book/ddbb64bb67.html

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Anki is changing ownership.
https://forums.ankiweb.net/t/ankis-growing-up/68610

The new owners (https://www.theanking.com/) look like my worst nightmare. They sell a bunch of bullshit like anki courses, a monthly subscription for syncing, "access to AI tools and chatbots", t-shirts and every other scammy idea to extract money out of people they can come up with. It's fucking over bros.

KEK KEK I GOTTA MENTION THIS
the best tutor in my Classical Arabic academy told me that learning any language must be done through Stephen Krashen's Comprehensible Input, and went on about how it "opens horizons and crushes obstacles and paves the way for a mountain-base rigid foundation in the language you're after", and how his method is a "a precious yet abundant diamond mine that normies have yet to stumble upon" spoken like a true classical Arabic speaker.

Alright, make sure to say the exact same thing next year again as well.

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>>218969864
You're wrong. There are poems, stories, history, etc etc.

>>218972942
anki will remain open source, they won't do enshittification, and this won't affect anything you use. You could always just start your own fork if you dislike them that much, or go back to an earlier version.
stop with the doom and gloom

>>218972942
>a monthly subscription for syncing
I knew this free shit wouldn't last forever. Are they just going to delete my 2gb of mp3 clips?

>>218972942
was thinking about making a new alternative anyways. anki could use some improvements

>>218973458
>>a monthly subscription for syncing
that refers to downloading and receving updates for the premium decks on ankihub, not using anki's built in sync feature to backup your own decks to anki's servers. not to say they won't start charging for that sometime down the road

English.
Do you recommend any book series like Harry Potter, where the level increases with each subsequent (following?) volume, but for American English? It would be great if audiobooks were widely available on yt. I want to swallow the Lute-pill

>>218974425
I hope you're right, but it's unclear to me what they actually mean. I understand that cloud storage isn't free, but if they try to clown me into some 5 € plan just so I can store my 2gb of audio clips, they can fuck right off.

>Wer fremde Sprachen nicht kennt, weiß nichts von seiner eigenen
AHHHHHHH i need to learn German any good shows with accurate subs avaliable? is the jump from the everyday German to the poets too big?

Has anyone taken the CLEP Spanish test? I'm trying to power through as much Spanish learning as I can to test out of both 101/102 for college, but I'm curious about the experience of others

>>218974580
Try the Percy Jackson series. I'd put them around the same reading level as Harry Potter and there's quite a few of them. I've definitely seen the audiobooks on youtube too

>>218974580
i think maybe the spiderweb chronicles and series of unfortunate events are popular

>>218977579
*spiderwick

>>218974425
yeah I'm not actually sure where my data goes when I hit sync. Does it go to ankiweb? Are they owned by that new company now?
I can totally see them charging to sync over x amount of MBs of data. And sell all of your cards' data too of course
Thank god for open source licenses so people will just be able to fork that shit. I hope I don't need to self host :(

>>218946730
I think you'd be better off spending the money on an italki session with a native speaker.

>>218978328
thats orders of magnitude more expensive per hour

>>218978845
I think you can get a Spanish lesson for 8 bucks a month. But I do think Dreaming Spanish is a good value. Their videos are really good, I wish I had resources like that when I was younger. I just think the 'input' purists don't focus enough on interacting with native speakers, which I suspect leads learners to perma-beginner status.

>>218979137
when does your next video drop?

>>218979554
Hit that subscribe button and ring the bell for notifications.

whoever said French grammar is harder than German grammar is right. it's just "ce que c'est" word salad sometimes

lang is dead. everywhere is dead. Where is everyone. When I go outside everyone is on their phones but every website seems to get emptier and less interesting every day. I'm so bored.

>>218980460
Start to live irl anon. Internet is just the one big psyop.

>>218980532
Everyone irl is on their phones though. That's what I don't get. The average person has a screen time of 7 hours. We are all just staring at screens. But then you go online and it's like no one is here.

>>218980602
IIRC most people don't engage in anonymous/stranger environments much online. They're online but they're mostly interacting with IRL related social spheres or consuming content or playing games or whatever.

What I read was that only 10-15% of people engage meaningfully in pseudononymous online environments regularly (including reddit, 4chan, youtube comments, tiktok comments, etc) but that might be old news maybe its higher now

>>218980460
I feel this way about most generals and the site in general

>>218980602
This: >>218981143
What I've noticed with my normie friends is that they send each other recordings of what they're doing or what funny happening to them, like snap or insta, they talk online with a webcam, they text each other, watching car auctions etc.

im thinking about learning indonesian because it is a nice language and for no other reason

>>218981200
Social media is basically a requirement for a normal social life nowadays. I used to be a normie/extrovert as a teen but deleted all my social media cuz bad for brain or something and ended up becoming a loner as a result

fell in love with a french girl when i lived in japan. started to learn for her then she left me.
when i try to learn I remember her and cry a bit. should I push through it?
I barely learned spanish, I have plenty of speakers near me, but I just want to learn french and find a replacement for her.
Wat do?
Also, thinking of continuing with japanese since I got a goodish level and am considering japanmaxxing and collecting european solotravellers until I make one pregnant and then whisk her away to an akiya. It's the only way I caan get attractive white women and continue the white race

La kurso de Esperanto sur Duolingo estas kursaĉo. Ili ne rekonas ke ekzistas plu ol unu ordo de vortoj

esperanto es cagada

>>218981166
is 4chan dying?

>>218982096
do it, I'm learning a language because one of its native speaker pissed me off

but the anger slowly faded away, my motivation is gone so my progress is slow, i learn a new word everyday or something

>>218978328
im a mexican in chicago that doesnt speak spanish, im surrounded by spanish speakers daily so i dont need to pay anyone for it
just doing dreaming spanish at home then practicing with people at work

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>>218982528
It's dead

I feel like sinosphere maxxing again
I am doing a dedicated kanji study deck now

>>218982677
Please tell the story. The concept of learning a language out of spite is pretty funny

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I met a guy today at the local library who borrowed a book to learn German and he also had a book titled 'A brief history of Germany' but he told me he was still intermediate in English, he also borrowed a book of Japanese fiction.

>>218982677
I feel the opposite way, every time Ive seen someone who said something I found offensive on 4chan, it made me not want to learn their language, even if it was attached to a culture I really liked. That is pretty stupid obviously because there are people with all sorts of views in a country.

>>218897818
When a language is very grammatically complex, native will make a lot of mistakes in their own language, it is not that they are smarter than people who speak 'easy' languages. English became the lingua franca partly because it is easy (no gendered articles, easy conjugation) so making your language easy to learn is the high iq move

>>218982007
>Malay is an agglutinative language
>look inside
>isolating
>no declension for gender, case, number, tense, degree
>retarded counter words
>actually everything is done with noun reduplication and adverbs
>agglutinative because affixes or something
>average SEAmonkey is B1 in their own native tongue due to english so no one forms new words using those affixes
once you irreversibly scar your brain by learning an austronesian language, you'll be greeted with the realisation that SEA doesn't produce any media, any goods, any attractive women even, and that you have wasted 3 months to learn whichever strain of apespeak you chose
obviously the best agglutinating language is english as shown by
>The craftsman (craft + -s- + man) unbeknowingly (un- + be- + know + -ing + -----ly) dehinged (de- + hinged) the antidisestablishmentarianist's (anti- + dis- + establish + -ment + -arian + -ist + -'s) bedroom's (bed + room + -'s) door
in practice door would come before the possessor NP using 'of', but i wanted to get the extra -'s suffix

>>218984201
Natives don't make mistakes in their own languages, they do this by avoiding unnecessarily complex constructions in speech, favouring analytical constructions that are easier to construct and process.
once natives lose the ability to use a feature of their language, be it a word or a part of grammar, it might be because of it being archaic in speech, in which case it either dies out or gets relegated to formal literary contexts where you're given more time to think and compose grammatically complex sentences, such as this complex sentence containing multiple clauses that are linked in multiple different ways. No person would be able to make that sentence up on the fly without breaking it down into smaller sentences
plus that post was just pocking fun at extremely fusional languages that have far too many hyperspecific forms, both analytical english and agglutinative japanese can express the same level of information just as easily with the constructions present in the language

>>218940801
>the conjugations themselves look reasonable desu as long as they're regular
i actually saw mentions of georgian having highly irregular verbs while I was digging around for languages, i don't want to imagine what kind of horror show the declensions of the georgian verbs for 'to go' and 'to be' and such since those are practically always irregular even in otherwise highly regular agglutinating languages

how the fuck does Glossika work? How are you supposed to memorise all these sentences to output?

I spent an hour and memorised 17 sentences well enough to output them. I feel like it's above my level. I only started my TL two weeks ago

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>>218985079
Wouldn't it be "antidisestablishmentarianist's bedroom door"? Not even sure why, it just sounds more natural, and searching online does seem to suggest that that would be the proper construction.
>>218985285
There's also a third option for features, where they are still technically in use, but only in some set phrases/words, e.g. in Lithuanian, the participle of necessity is practically dead nowadays, but words/phrases like "būtinas", "lankytinos (vietos)", and "(ne)priimtinas (elgesys)" are still in common use.
I checked the Georgian verbs, here's to be, to go apparently can be conjugated in two different ways (with a difference in meaning, no less)

>>218982845
I joined the team in the video game and discord group. We were playing around and having fun. A few weeks pass and I started to be unhinged in the discord group. I talk weirdly like schizos from /int/ generals, say "nibba" (not nigga or nigger because of americans seething)

Eventually some people left because of me and the owner kick me out,

Yes, it was my fault but i dont care

>>218985079
>Estonian weeb goes ape shit over a language with more speakers than their native one
Lol
The only reason not to learn Indonesian is that most islands have their own other language and people rarely speak just Indonesian. They speak a mix of their native and Indonesian, so really you end up needing to know Indonesians and some shit like Javanese

>>218980602
They're all on shitty apps like Instagram, endlessly scrolling.

>>218967606
>>218973273
Don't listen to them. You CAN learn a language and Classical Arabic is the perfect language for you! They are just jealous because they're stuck learning poverty languages for third-worlders, like French or Spanish.

>>218989860
What's wrong with French and Spanish?

>>218985651
>e.g. in Lithuanian, the participle of necessity is practically dead nowadays, but words/phrases like "būtinas", "lankytinos (vietos)", and "(ne)priimtinas (elgesys)" are still in common use.
i forgot about that but certain words and set phrases can fossilise and maintain otherwise archaic constructions or just be out right ungrammatical like "long time no see" which would be complete nonsense if it wasn't for americans imitating Chinese Pidgin English and the expression catching on in colloquial speech
in terms of Georgian conjugation, it seems like most difficulty stems from there being 4 different classes which split verbs into transitive, intransitive, medial and indirect classes, with each having its own rules and some missing entire tense series and having inconsistent affixes. Also a bunch of verbs just don't belong to any class and are irregular, even though georgian is agglutinative. Wiktionary has 257 irregular russian verbs, 256 spanish, 292 english, 451 french, while finnish has 9, hungarian has 1, arabic has 14, I couldn't actually find a list of irregular verbs in Georgian outside of 10 common ones, but the wiktionary appendix and wikipedia article states that there are "many" in scary bold text so it can be anywhere from 10 - 200 for all I know
Outside of verb conjugation itself, georgian just handles verbs weirdly, the language exhibits a high degree of split ergativity, polypersonalism, preverbs, actually there's far too much agreement autism in georgian, you apparently have to keep track of the "thematic suffix" after the root which is 100% arbitrary and determines the aorist and perfective conjugation of transitive verbs and suffix used for the verb's nominalisation
One of the factors that makes learning agglutinative languages bearable even with all of the rules is the fact that the rules are at least followed most of the time, Georgian has an overly complex verb conjugation system that is also irregular for seemingly no reason

>>218990259
>What's wrong with French and Spanish?
They clearly stated the reason as being "poverty languages for third-worlders" - i.e. spoken in parts of Africa and LATAM.
One would assume that that anon doesn't like Quebec baddies though. What a homo.

hey cuties, does anyone have a favorite resource for drilling spanish grammar?

>>218986096
And what language were you trying to learn because of this?

>>218990259
spanish and french clearly don't have the utility and usability that classical arabic brings. ever tried ordering from a restaurant in spanish or french? no. never. i only order from takeout places with classical arabic.

>>218994950
>ordering food in your TL
Pathetic. I learn Scottish Gaelic so I can astrally commune with my ancestral clansmen, so that they may advise me on what I should order at the Mexican restaurant. Grassyass, amigo!

>>218995139
>I learn Scottish Gaelic so I can astrally commune with my ancestral clansmen
You can do that? Fuck it I'm changing my TL

>>218994950
>...and the prophet said: let it be chicken

Modern Japanese culture is very soy, ngl. Even stupid old anime about world peace isn't that gay. Why though
>>218991297
Same with English. There are rich places where the language is used and there are places like India, Uganda or UK.
>>218994950
>Not ordering in Aramaic
Ngmi

Is Peppa Pig A2?

>>218997081
B1 I'd say

why did I get an A2 on an online test

>>218994950
this whole quotidian usabillity thing is for idiots, who just learns languages with such a mindset is an idiot

>>218997910
didn't get the joke award

>>218998353
what's the mindset behind the joke? go eat curry, indian

>>218998733
there's no mindset involved, the joke (me i'm the poster of the joke) is that while people are learning spanish and french, clearly dullard languages, fit only for beasts, critters, forest dwelling monsters and bog-ridden den hunters; the more useful language, clearly the most cultured, refined, most well put to use language for real language learners, like the person learning it is, is classical arabic.

>>218938588
>I took a B2 exam for French. I found a tutor on italki that actually is a proctor for the exams so she was super useful. We did a bunch of practice exams and she gave me all kinds of tips. I definitely recommend it, made the exam 10x easier and less stressful
thanks, I'm thinking of doing the same thing. Maybe just doing 3-4 sessions with someone, once per month, until the test.

>>218949869
im thinking of doing the B1 just to get experience with the exam and motivate myself to study a bit. I also want to take the B2 this year (ideally) and think B1 is the best way to learn what I need to study.

the bump that saved lang

>>219003470
Thank you for your service, soldier.

let it die

Do you like to curse in your TL?

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>>218999015
I'm a bog dweller though.

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>>219007167
seiliedig

bump

I'm sick and tired of non-mastery of my TL. It is time to put an end to this injustice. From now on, I am scheduling 10 hours of active study per day and no NL content consumption (translated is fine). Never settle for less.

Is there any point in time in the acquisition of TL in which one transcends ethnicity, becoming one of them?

>>218982268
Duolingo ne estas bona metodo por lerni lingvon ĝenerale.

online self-paced A1 and A2 croatian course by university of zagreb

https://a1(dot)ffzg.unizg.hr/

My boomer father watches TV 7 hours a day but he can't manage to speak proper Korean. I feel like this could be another evidence that proves
> mindless input can't improve language abilites

I will kill myself

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>>219014048
mood

>>219014048
Now say that in you TL

>>219011202
Clearly your boomer father validates the claim that not using level appropriate CI gives you no gainz.
Put that nigga on Peppa Pig and he will be fluent in no time.

>>219014048
ich will sterben
死にたい
죽고 싶어
Ba mhaith liom a bás
Quiero morir

i must learn how to say it in chinese next

TRUTH NUKE: Japanese could absolutely get rid of kanji if they used more native vocabulary in writing over sino-japanese words.

>>219014778
within 40 seconds of turning on peppa pig my desire to self-delete exceeds already dangerously high baseline levels

>>219015511
English could get rid of latin words if it used more germanic words

I have found the way to learn that works best for me is to just read a lot, raw dogging it.
I read my TL in my head with a really annoying American accent, purposefully not caring about pronunciation - mainly only focusing on being able to understand the written text and get the underlying grammatical patterns ingrained in my brain.
I then learn the actual pronunciations later passively while consuming media where the language is actually spoken.
My use of the exaggerated American accent makes me never learn bad habits with pronunciation, because I would never be caught dead trying to use that voice in real life. Shit is surprisingly effective (for European languages only).

>>219015760
yes, they should gradually but systematically be replaced germanic/norse/celtic words, get your little ancient gay brown men the fuck out of my language

>>219015555
Quads of truth.
Spongebob is the way.

>>219015511
Based. Moon runes are holding them back.

>>219015975
>replaced germanic/norse/celtic
>ancient gay brown men
Anon... they were also all gay and brown

>>219015977
SpongeBob is like B2

>>219016221
Amongst the B2 content is lesser level content. The more you re-watch it, the more you will improve.
You re-watch spongebob over and over and over and over and you will hit B2, while also having a good laugh at the yellow sponges whimsical escapades.

Is it true that Canadians here are into Czech? If so, show yourself and I would like to know your motivations. I technically don’t want to learn German. Thanks

>>218923289
This is mostly due to full immersion starting day 1.

>>219010583
Jes, me eksciis ĝin rapide. Ne estas aĉe por praktiki, precipe por lingvoj bone konataj kun kursoj disvolvigataj. Tiuj kursoj probable havas pli da revuantoj

>>219015760
>>219015975
Hmmm... Dutch? Frisian?

>>219015511
>>219016023
TRUTH SVPERNOVA: kanji are an excellent gatekeep and make japanese more unique, if anything the more different the languages is the gooder instead of dumbing it down to turn into a pidgin for jeets

>>219015468
我要自杀(了)!
我要自刎!
吾之生废也,绝命而告之矣!

>>219015511
They don't have the vocabulary
How do you find a native word for 宪法