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>>64792089
I miss him occupying my second screen.
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So, I did a thing to my wasr.. not sure if I'm convinced I like it..
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>>64792700
WASR you doing?!?!
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>>64792742
Dammit! well played anon
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>>64792089
What am I looking at here akbros? What kind of 5.45 rifle?
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>>64792773
PSA of course
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>>64792846
That was honestly my first thought
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Boy do I love my "AKS-74"
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Is the guy killing the mini jack here? Any updates?
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>>64792868
Is the guy killing the mini jack in the room with us right now?
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>>64792773
Probably a century AK74, don’t know of any other company that put that ugly ass parkerized finish on an AK 74.
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>>64792966
That's what I'm asking. A couple of weeks back he was posting a mini jack and some premature wear and said he was gonna shoot it to death and other anons were giving him shit for using a non factory trigger, but I'm curious about the experiment so I'm hoping he chimes in with an update.
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>>64792978
I did explicitly notice the shit finish. Century makes sense.
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>>64792700
Did that too, didn't like it and went back.
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>>64793103
The only man I know who owned a jack was pushing 450lbs and pretended his office supply job was a secret government job. I feel guilty because I told him to get the wbp as it seemed promising at the time. Then again, I don’t think he gets out to shoot much.
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>>64793120
>YWNHD
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>>64792866
Based
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>>64793128
>you will never...
Water you saying to me anon
>>64793130
>>64792866
Based I also love my "AKS-74N" as well
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>>64793134
You will never have dimples, LOL
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>>64793141
kek
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>>64793134
Mine keeps spitting out 5.56 cases for some reason, weird.
>>64793120
Never even considered tac'ing out my AKM, I just knew inherently I'd hate it and would return to monke.
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>>64793141
>>64793147
Haaaah yeah you got me there
Dimples are for backs, not guns
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>>64792866
Pee Essay? Ay Gey-Juan oh Juan?
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>>64793165
I like the look but I don't have a handguard I like yet. It's on the back burner for now though.
When I do eventually bring it back I'm getting a TWS rail instead of the Beryl-like one in this pic and putting my knockoff OKP-7 on it.
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>>64793173
Lmao yeah, I noticed their attempt at a 101 had literally none of the M upgrades and it was just a base '74S, so when their base offering was $600 on sale I impulse bought it and got some surplus furniture and mags and have been enjoying all the looks of a classic '74S without the baggage of 5.45 in 2026. Amazingly accurate and gassed for a PSA abortion.
>>64793176
That LHG is triggering a long-buried memory, what's the backstory on that?
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>>64792700
Why is the master mount logo so ugly, also the meridian grip makes looks like one of those cheap NCstar grips, the handguard is nice, does it accept a cleaning rod?
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>>64793203
Its PSA-flavored Zenitcope. I got it from a guy on the Files for cheap because it had stripped screws pretty badly. I thought I could fix it, ended up not wanting to bother with a $50 part so I sold it to someone else for cheap and with the same disclaimer I received.
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>>64793203
>>64793134
>>64793130
What are the telltale signs of identifying a PSA AK besides what the owner looks like? I Always noticed they have the white color filled serials number on the BCG.
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>>64793203
I want to get one, but I really don't feel like playing the PSA lotto.
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>>64793277
There are a couple of ways, some more autistic than others. Biggest is the PSA "factory logo". Most egregious is the way they do the selector cutouts, instead of a cutout it's more of a stamping. Bothers the fuck out of me which is why I'm glad I don't have one to worry about.
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>>64793296
No I guess you don’t but I also guess you don’t shoot that gun ether lol.
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>>64793313
Not as much as I'd like to but I could if i wanted ;)
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>>64793277
Look for botched Cyrillic letting that dips into the dimple. the etched serials and logo on the left side are also dead giveaways.
>>64793282
Honestly I'm 2/2 and I've heard they (finally) got their 5.56 bullshit worked out. The Krinks have had a much better rollout than the abject dumpster fire that was the AK-101's. I'm still keeping an eye on the bolt lugs and cam tracks on the carrier, the Krink's started to peen out but have since stabilized.
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>>64793313
Snowflake rifle general lol. AK fags got no ammo so they don’t shoot no more. Only people who shot anymore are AR chads all others are cringe and gay (You)
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>>64793319
>but I could if I wanted to
But you don’t, lol. That’s the point.
I could outshoot all you 1v1 on a tactical course cuz all of you are hipster no-shoot collectorfags. You guys are all basically fudds.
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>>64793331
Get both tbqh famb
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>>64793322
Pretty collection of safe queens you got there gramps, to bad they never get to see the range.
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>>64793355
Yeah you probably could, happy for you anon. I hope you win your next 3 gun competition too
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>>64793359
This guy gets it.
>AK + AR = Ultimate Weapon System.
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Hey does anyone know how long the early 74s were produced with the non-90 degree gas block? I didn’t think it was for too long but I keep seeing them pop up in videos and photos from the recent Russio-Ukraine war so I assume there were more manufacturing then we previously thought. Some sources I read said in 75 they switched to the 90 degree block but the picture I saw had the date 77 on the trunnion with an AKM style gas black. Can’t find the picture now of course but it looks something like pic related and it was in a pile of captured rifles.
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anyone here have the onward research tatanka rail? looks like a pretty sick zenitco alternative but its so pricy I dont want to buy it on a whim.
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>>64793392
Very briefly, like within the first 1-2 years.
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>>64793277
The easiest ones are:
>the serial/arsenal markings on the trunnion are infilled white, are very clearly in Arial font and the "arsenal marking" is a Palmetto tree with crossed rifles
>the engraving on the bottom of the receiver in front of the magwell exists
>Serial will have a "GF-series number-" prefix on every serialized part
>selector markings are in English (A for auto, F for "fire" I guess?)
>(if a fixed rear trunnion rifle) nonstandard 2-piece rear trunnion, either a "puzzle piece" cutout for an older one, or their newer ones attach with the front stock screw
>>64793392
You've also always got the "arsenal refurb using parts the arsenal had on-hand" as an answer instead of a factory job as a reason for it. It's much more likely an arsenal repair that got put in a box in the 70s/80s and forgotten because it absolutely has no affect on function.
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>>64793360
Eh, I've done matches with the 5.56s and the AKM has probably seen north of 12k rounds in the 15 years I've had it.
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>>64793401
Unfortunately no, Im in the same boat as you. However from watching YouTube videos on it it looks pretty similar to the other ones I have experience with. I’ve used the UTG, Midwest Industries Alpha, PSA Soviet arms, and Troy rail.
Honestly curious what you guys think of extended rails IMO I’m not all that impressed with any of them, personally find they all kinda suck. I found that heat mitigation is universally worse than wood or polymer, (not necessarily a bad thing if you live in a cold state but I live in a hot and sunny state). They add a large amount of weight to the front end, ends up feeling like my M1A in a EBR chassis rather than an AK. Pretty much all except the UTG had to be modified to fit different rifles (drilling, dremel, filing and shimming with custom cut metal plates). Personally like to run mine stock, and if I need to run a flashlight I just add one of those cheapo barrel clamps on the gas tube for a harbor freight flashlight.
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>>64793359
Is that the Dead Air Wolverine? How you like it?

>>64793464
Sexy collect of guns there, they all yours? Also Whats the ID on the tan AR on the right?
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>>64793442
Thanks for the info, 2-3 are obvious, 4 is useful, I'm asking because sometimes there are fags that tend to go out of their way to hide that is a PSA when they post on that social media.
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How hard could it be to sand/strip the paint or whatever off?
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>>64794162
Very easy
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>>64794162
I'm not sure there's really anything to sand off other than maybe a clear coat, if it is in fact Turkish Walnut.
It kinda looks like that unfinished.
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>>64794245
The black streaks are fake. Not sure if it's paint, dye, or sharpie.
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>>64794162
Don't bother, it's fake anyway. If you really like the look of that wood, look for stocks made of walnut. The Rhineland stock I have for my Saiga is walnut and this is what it looked like with BLO treatments.
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>>64794255
Oh. Oh no. And that's $100?
Fucking grim.
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>>64794280
>Walnut and BLO
this is the proper Yugo/Zastava finish right?
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>>64794348
Correct, Beech is acceptable as well and is the lighter Yugo wood more commonly seen.
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Who makes a good long pic rail? I want to buy another WASR to (((modernize))).

Also anyone know who the Paul Harrell video was commissioned for? From the description it sounds like niggers.
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>>64794518
Lawyer defending niggers.
As to whom said niggers are, who cares.
You seen one, you seen them all.
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>>64794519
>You seen one, you seen them all.
True, I was just curious to see if said niggers were sentenced to prison time.
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>>64794396
The darker Yugo wood is Elm iirc, not walnut. They also left the wood unfinished.
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>>64793277
Arsenals have white filled serial numbers on carrier as well. You can tell a PSA by subtle differences like the dimple size.
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>>64793359
Excellent answer
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>>64794564
I was able to mix a stain for my Baltic birch stock that matches the OG wood pretty well. I don't know the exact ratio but I basically mixed a bunch of test batches in plastic cups until I found one that worked. wanna say it was

>majority minwax gunstock
>small amount of minwax Sedona red
>even smaller amount of minwax dark walnut
>unknown amount of Varathane American walnut

Unfortunately I wasn't recording how much of each I used. I just mixed a bit and then tested on some scrap until I found one that worked. Pic rel is the stain and nothing else, no topcoat, no oil, no sealer. I've still got some left over in a mason jar if that anon wants it
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>>64794978
>WBP
>detached carry handle
Anon, you shouldn’t be giving advice to anyone
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>>64795557
kys
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>>64794978
Colt AR15A4?
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>>64795557
retard
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I have one AK left. Sold all my arsenals for $2500 a pop and moved to 5.56.
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Considering getting into 5.45 via an Arsenal SLR. What's the scoop?

I know this is one of the "good" ones, but is there anything I should keep an eye out for?

Also build recs
Keep it conscript stock?
Alfa'd out with rails and attachments?
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>>64799079
What is your budget for rifle and ammo?
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>>64798985
How did you choose which one to keep?
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>>64798555
yeah
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>>64799079
Its not just one of the good ones. I'd argue its the best period. It is the ONLY true 4.5mm trunnion AKS-74N factory rifle ever imported. I have a 104FR-31 and its been one the highest quality rifles I own let alone AKS-74N clones. Arsenal/Fime only imported a limited amount of each SKU over the 2 years they came in. Learn the SKUs if you're autistic. For instance, 104-31 vs 104-34. The 31 is what most people think of with the black poly furniture. The 34 had a triangle folder. There was a 32 and 33 too, different colored polymers, but those are rare. My personal recs and main takeaway are too try to find a -31 as close to NIB as possible and just pay the tax. Don't necessarily trust boomers. Learn to inspect a bolt, bolt face, chamber, barrel etc. so you can tell if they are lying about round count. Most dont. Just ask for well-lit pics of everything. Most are good tho. When I got mine the boomer original owner said he fired 2 mags and put it in the safe and the bolt and bolt face still looked unfired. He wasnt lying. If its used, try to find one on GB close to where you live if you have time to wait and watch as the auctions come up. Thats what I did and I was able to see it in person before I paid. Boomer was actually quite reasonable now that I think of it. Get used to watching gunbroker. I used to check in daily for new listings. Watch some mishaco videos or something, look on youtube for "104fr". Thats most of the initial points I'd give someone to start off. And ffs, either keep it stock, or add Russian wood or plum furniture to it and set it up like a proper 80s AKS74N.
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>>64799233
<$3k~ all in. It's going to be a collectible/larp piece rather than my go-to shtf (at least until the market changes).
Ammo is a recurrent cost, but I'd like to have *some* on-hand.

>>64800426
Genuinely helpful, thank you!
Yeah, I definitely like the triangle or plastic folders.
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I think I'm going to try and remove the welded muzzle nut on my WASR. is there anything I need to know first or is it as simple as hitting it with a dremel?
>>64800075
nice. I have one too.
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>>64800475
Just go at it with a dremel. Put some masking tape around the area in case you slip. Grind the side of the weld that's on the muzzle, just deep enough to get rid of the penetration. The metal will start to turn black and blue as it heats up from becoming very thin so that's when you need to stop before you break through
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>>64800528
thanks
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>>64800542
Oh also, spray some penetrating fluid in there. They're often rusted to the threads. The metal changing colors is just a warning sign that you need to stop. You don't necessarily have to grind until you get to that point though. Its entirely possible that it frees itself before then so make sure to wiggle the nut every now and then to check if its free
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>>64800475
Its an enjoyable platform and complements my AKs well. 1K was decent price for Colt. I already have a few SBRs. I wanted a 20" gun this time and it was either Colt or FN. If I want to build it out one day to full A4 I can. Or just leave it stock in its A2ish form, its quite a capable rifle as it is. GL with the WASR.
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Got a Wasr 10/63 at a fantastic price, but the bolt has been wire wheeled down a bit to remove the bluing on the top. What's the best way to get a classic military blue back on this? I hate having a shiny bolt on a non Chinese/Yugo gun.
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>>64800651
>best way
reblue it by rust boiling it in a stainless steel pot. Its not difficult but it is very time consuming and you'll have to buy a carding wheel + bluing solution (or mix your own out of household chemicals)

>just make it blue again
cheap cold bluing paste. Won't be as deep or durable as rust bluing but its much less time consuming.
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>>64800608
>spray some penetrating fluid in there
got it
>>64800634
>Its an enjoyable platform
that it is
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>>64800680
Well, I have a carding wheel all set up for cleaning IMA/RTI shit specials. And I have a stainless pot for boiling gun parts.
Any recommendation on bluing solution? To buy or make?
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>>64800727
>Any recommendation on bluing solution?
I just use the Brownell's solution because I'm lazy but you can make it out of salt, vinegar and hydrogen peroxide. Doesn't really matter as long as it causes red rust. I know the DIY method works because I've used small amounts of the salt and vinegar solution to force patina small replacement parts. I just haven't done large parts before.
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>>64800790
Well shit, I have all that crap in here, and I'm trapped by the snow. Gonna try it on a test piece of shitty metal.
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Might be a stupid question, but duckducking hasn't really helped me much. Ages ago in undergrad, I bought a vepr in .308 as my "first rifle" and I left it with my parents after I graduated and moved out of state. I dug it out of dad's safe and saw that I had misplaced the muzzle device at some point along the way. Does anyone make replacements? I don't particularly care about factory-specific or anything, I'm just struggling trying to find something compatible since it's now technically a "pre-ban" rifle and I'm curious how it shoots since I assume I shot the barrel out over 20 years ago. Thanks.
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>>64800455
You’re gonna spend at least $3k on the rifle, $75-100 per mag and around 50cpr for 5.45. If I were getting into 5.45 today (retarded) I would buy mags and ammo FIRST.
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>>64801120
Yeah, I can swing that, though. $3k for a good rifle is not a big deal, plenty of dumbasses spend that much on some handgun that they'll never shoot.
I already have a good-size collection, zero debt, and disposable income; it's not like I'm getting a 5.45 *instead* of an AR or edc pistol.
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>>64801207
That’s cool then man as long as you understand what you’re getting into. Boomers treat 5.45 AKs as “investments” so its like the same 6 old people trading these back and forth. I managed to pick up an SLR105 and an AIMS74 kit build cheap from some dead geezer with antigun kids. I bought 10 tins for an average of $450 each and about a dozen bakelite mags average $75 a pop. All in all I think 5.45 is overrated, 5.56 is objectively a superior caliber but 5.45 AKs have unmatched aesthetics. If I could do it again I’d probably just skip 5.45 and only have 7.62 AKs and 5.56 ARs. Good luck.
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>>64801077
Are the threads cut into the barrel or is there a sort of front sight block foreskin over the barrel that is threaded? Do you know the thread spec?
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>>64801486
It's a threaded barrel. I do not, the internet isn't being as helpful as usual. There's a front sight block, the pin that holds the MD is there but it does not go further over the barrel. Guess they thought about it, but decided to just circumcise the boy.
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>>64801077
I have the same 308 folder rifle. It's a pretty standard muzzle nut that'd fit any typical 14x1 ak threading. There should be tons of them for sale for cheap since all ak threaded barrels should be able to use it assuming it's not something like a 74 with the threading on the front sight base.
Here's a picture I just took, that way you've got a pic of the real deal. Just in case there's some difference that makes one a better choice for originality sake when you're out buying another.
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>>64801532
Do you have access to calipers or a ruler with fine marks? If so measure the major thread diameter according to pic rel. Basically measure from one peak to the peak on the opposite side. That's a quick and dirty way of telling the thread spec on an AK.

That diameter will correspond to a common AK thread pattern. Obviously you wouldn't want to do this on some random fastener because major diameter isn't mutually exclusive but this is an AK we're talking about so you can assume the rest of the thread specs will follow.

>M24x1.5 RH
diameter of 24mm
>M14x1 LH
diameter of 14mm
>5/8 x 24
diameter of 5/8 inch or 15.8~ mm

see the pattern? The first part number is the major thread diameter
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>>64801486
Threads cut directly into the barrel. Again, same vepr308 as yours.
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>>64801583
That's exactly it.
>>64801565
I guess that would be correct since 7.62 and all. Overthinking it per usual
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>>64801610
>Overthinking it per usual
Yup. Any muzzle device that fits a standard ak47 or rpk will latch onto it. For shits and giggles, you can even have some fun putting on yugo grenade launching attachments. Pic related. it's a different gun, but works on both.
Just be 100% sure that if you get a flash hider, it's a 30cal version. The 22cal version on my molot 556 rpk would blow up my vepr-308. The hole isn't big enough for 30cal to go through.
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And of course while I was watching Denver choke dad put on an unknown muzzle device and tightened it way the fuck down. Broke my fucking fingernail right the fuck off. I have no idea how he managed to get it on so tight.
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>>64801319
>but 5.45 AKs have unmatched aesthetics
They really do, I'm delighted 5.56 can fit into 5.45 mags just fine with just a follower swap. If that wasn't the case I'd just have 7.62 AKs. 5.56 AKs with 5.56 mags look like absolute ass.
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>>64800651
Romanian guns aren't blued, they're Parkerized.
The only AKs that are blued are Chinese and Yugoslavian/Serbian.
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>>64802737
All my Romanian parts guns are blued. My modern WASRS are not, but the bolt on the other 10/63 I have is blued as well. So i will match it to that. I also have several parts kits that are all blued.
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>>64802737
Depends on the factory and time. I have a blued under folder kit. My Sadu is also partially blued with some of the smaller parts like the gas tube and saftey are parkerized
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>>64793331
I don't even own an AK but seeing a couple of them used in archival video recently publicised drove me to post this thread in honour of Pual Harrell. It's not even the first /akg/ that I've been the OP for, kek

>>64800475
I hope your attempt was a success!
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>>64800475
What year is your WASR?
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My lgs has a Norinco sporter/hunter with the traditional rifle stock and extended handguard for like $900, should I get it? It’s my first AK, though I own a Type 56 SKS already, so it’d be cool to have Chinese 7.62 guns. Is it worth the conversion work?
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Does anyone know where I can get a Saiga 12 gas tube? I'd like to make a DIY dinzag thing
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>>64793120
I'm giving it a little time to see if it grows on me.

>>64793249
I didn't design the logo, couldn't tell you. The grip is comfy and holds skittles, and the rail makes it not able to hold cleaning rod.
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>>64801760
Wow when you put actual military furniture on the PSA aksu actually looks decent

The factory furniture is total ass
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So do you AK people have web gear specific for your rifle? I'm looking at this Jaeger chest rig for the AK and really liking the simplicity.
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>>64805445
I either wear a 300 dollar kommandostore repro smersh or a 25 dollar chicom chest rig and nothing inbetween
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>>64805445
Smersh
Pattern 83 or P84
Chicom rigs
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>>64805445
go vietcong rig.
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>>64805445
Plastic bag found in parking lot 2 years ago.
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I got it off. I went at the nut a bit harder than I needed to because my dumb ass was trying to unscrew it the wrong way, but no harm, no foul.
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>>64807459
Congrats, muzzlenut-anon.
What were your plans after this?
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>>64807496
probably just a slant brake
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>>64807507
Based.
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>>64804846
If it's like pic related, if you buy it just leave it be. You could convert it but it's not cheap or easy to find someone to do it correctly. Additionally, Norinco Hunters in their original configuration are more and more rare and thus novelties among collectors.
Tl;dr they will increase in value if you don't fuck with it.
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>>64805445
SSO Jaeger for me
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>>64805445
type 56 chest rig and cavalry bag
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>>64807540
Unfortunately it is not, more like this
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>>64807459
>Dremelling off a WASR's welded-on nut
Thanks for the burst of /k/ nostalgia anon, used to there was a thread about that once a week. I wouldn't trust nu/k/ to accomplish that.
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>>64807623
They come in numerous but slightly different variants. If it looks like that pic then it's still unconverted.
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The ZPAP M70, WBP Jack, and WASR10 are all pretty close in price and since I will have to order and ship it to my FFL should I even bother with the WASR? I would probably keep the stock furniture on the other two if its decent
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Okay, Bear Creek Arsenal is making AKs. I have 1 AR upper by them and it's fine. It never had the BCA issues that I normally see. But a AK?
Should I buy it when it releases and take the the bullet for /akg/?
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>>64808250
It depends, Wasr is a standard AK for the most part. So if you want a classic style AK, it's the way to go.
the m70 is a better gun, in QC and finish and usually function (Wasr is GTG though). It's just heavier and can't take standard AK accessories for the most part.
I'd avoid WBP with these two options.
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>>64809007
M70 is a better gun
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>>64809057
Yeah, it's a much better gun.
Sorry your weak manlet arms cannot hold it.
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>>64792700
>Midwest

The only somewhat decent thing they did AK wise was their bench block / magwell vise thing and their newish sight adjustment tool.
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>>64809007
What's wrong with WBP? From what I have read the jack is pretty good and takes standard ak accessories
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>>64809064
In what way, besides your personal opinion, is it better than a wasr. I need another good laugh this morning.
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>>64809114
I've seen issues with metalurgy on some examples. And for the price, just get a factory made AK. Also, the barrels on both the Zastava & WASR are fantastic. Most Jack's no longer use the FB radom barrel.
>>64809116
>Better QC & Build
>Original Factory Trigger group
>Bayonet lug now on most imports again
>Support from Zastava is 10000 times better than CAI
And because I fucking like it. I'm not even touching on the Yugo pattern vs other patterns.
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>>64809136
>Better QC & Build
>Original Factory Trigger group
LOL, LMAO
>Bayonet lug
I’ll concede this small feature, sure.
>Support from Zastava is 10000 times better
Now why would that be? It’s almost like they might be used to having rifles regularly sent back.
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>>64809158
Ahh, Nogunz I see.
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>>64809163
>can’t refute claims
>maybe will call them noguns instead
>that’ll show them
Thanks for the laughs this morning.
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>>64809176
Refute what claims. You just spouted retarded nonsense that I would expect a nogunz retard to say.
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>>64809114
Shit metallurgy. An ALG hammer is enough to mushroom and deform the back of their firing pin 100 rounds in. I know since i was the one reporting this. When reported and mentionned they coped in my DMs about "it's ALG fault, we're using Polish AK TDP from the 60s our stuff isn't bad, it's u-u-u-ur fault".

Also atrocious TFBTV video were these retards were talking about "end of the life of the platform at around 5K rounds" and other stupid shit like their butter rear trunnion needing a "proper aftermarket stock that support the trunnion walls" if you replace theirs. Should be enough to raise eyebrows. Shits consumer grade poop.
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>>64809197
>Shits consumer grade poop.
WBP always made pretty boy AKs that certain internet go-ers fawned over because they don't shoot their guns.
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Anyone here buy a Meridian AK last night when they dropped? Either the 101 or 103? Tempting, but I dont want to beta test a rifle.
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>>64808250
WASR or M70
Do not get a WBP, they're civilian commercial "spec" toy wall hangers for reddit tranny faggots that like to pretend that they're real guns (women) but they're not. They're imposters, simple as that. They don't have the same parts; at the foudational core they're just not real.

It comes down to the following IMO. The M70 is a slightly "nicer" gun in terms of fit and finish and "quality" than the WASR. They're both legit in terms of metallurgy, reliability, and true firearm longevity and performance, but the M70 is crafted to a slightly higher standard. If you like the Serbian conflict from a historical perspective and like the look of the M70, then it is a fine choice. On the other hand however the M70 is NOT a true AKM. It is close, but it is built to its own Yugo spec. Okay so a WASR doesn't have magwell dimples, but other than that it is an excellent AKM spec AK. If you want a more true to spec AKM (97%) and prefer the look, then grab the WASR.

In either case, stick to surplus furniture, pistol grips, handguards, stocks etc. This is how to keep it tasteful and aesthetic. Try to modify it the bare minimum to get it functional in a modern sense, light, sling, optic, suppressor etc. That is how I've been doing my AKs recently and I like it that way.

>>64809100
Midwest Industries make civilian cheap trash. Their AR handguards have for over a decade now been the bane of uneducated consumers, and a re quite functionally poor in terms of lockup. They really peddle gun show/shop slop.

>>64809114
It isn't a real AK. The vast majority of load bearing components are of questionable fabrication. They make things like the trunnions, carrier, and potentially even bolts out of machined billet as opposed to true hammer forgings. This means weaker grain structure. They are NOT built the same way that original soviet AKs were, and are NOT built the way that the Kalashnikov designed.
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Ree when is someone going to release a legit three position AK FRT. I was hoping for something at shot show.

>>64809306
Yeah none of the WBP fags want to admit it but the appeal of WBP has always been the new manufacture laminate wood that to their uneducated noob eye looks like legit military AKM laminate without the 10 seconds of googling required to find a legit surplus set.

>>64809318
Waiting on a 102 or better yet a quality 300blk Krink with a CHF CL barrel and legit bolt and trunnion geometry.
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>>64809347
I've bought the wood from WBP to put on a friends wasr once. The wood was good, I can't really complain about that part and has held up to bullshit.
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>>64809318
Same, and now they have those azerbijan kits coming out. So I'm just sitting and waiting.
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>>64809375
Does Iglim have 5.56 bolts, trunnions, barrels, and carriers?

>>64809358
Yeah the wood looks nice truly and is likely quality. But that is exactly it. It doesn't take much technical expertise or manufacturing quality to do good woodwork lol. So they slap some quality wood furniture sets on (that consumers can tell are decent quality) to hide the fact that the metallurgy and real fabrication techniques for the actual load bearing parts like the bolt, trunnions, barrel etc, at not up to par.

It really is pottery that it is mainly reddit trannies and fags that like these lipstick'd shitpig toys.
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>>64809114
>What's wrong with WBP
I always hated how they came with an unblued bolt carrier and how ass the furniture looked.
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>>64809452
Who makes that 104 in the pic?

I'll see if Meridian has anything online I'm shopping for a 103.
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>>64809100
>>64809328
Everything I read about their gen 2 stuff was all positive, either you faggots have any actual experience or are you just regurgitating old fudd shit?
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>>64809318
>US made
Did you not learn your lesson from KUSA?
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>>64809197
>Also atrocious TFBTV video were these retards were talking about "end of the life of the platform at around 5K rounds" and other stupid shit like their butter rear trunnion needing a "proper aftermarket stock that support the trunnion walls" if you replace theirs.
Damn fr post the vid
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>>64809452
What optic mount is 1P87 using? Looks very sleek.
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>>64809724
There part of the /akg/ and /k/ discord cabal, they spend all day posting the same pics and reply to each other with the same regurgitated shit while gooning to underage girls in the ‘cord. As always, disregard and filter namefags.
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>>64809724
the guy that calls MI cheap civilian trash just finished installing airsoft parts on an AR so take what he says with a grain of salt. the other one isn't even american so who gives a fuck what he thinks.
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Hit with a $10k tax bill this year, need offload my least favorite guns and some extras. What are they worth?

>WBP Jack
>SLR107R
>Chinese SKS
>FEG Hi Power
>Chinese Tokarev
>7.62 Beryl
>5.56 Beryl
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>>64809665
Vented upper on a black synthetic handguard looks weird.
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>>64809828
gotchu nig

https://youtu.be/ne4aAYLfD_Y
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>>64810051
>discord
Don't insult me, nigger.
>>64810069
>isn't even american
Correct. I'm BETTER.
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>>64809724
Shitposting aside yeah i do. Their awful retarded dust cover was creating stovepipes and their whole rail lineup is a poor attempt at Zenitco while adding 4000 fucking screws everywhere for no reasons that won't add up to any kind of ridigity whatsoever.

Listen, Midwest makes cope tier AK stuff and that's the end of it.

If you want to know more, and from an american at that, ask bushwar on instagram. That stuff straight garbage he will confirm it.
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>>64810126
I'll take your 5.56 Beryl for $1200-1350 depending on how much it was used.
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>>64810229
>If you want to know more ask some faggot from my Instagram group chat
uhh.... no thanks. I already don't care what your discord thinks, why would I care what your insta butt buddies think?
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>>64810229
>caring about what some faggot eceleb thinks
lmao
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>>64810126
Post pics of the the beryl's?
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>>64810051
>>64810069
Noted anons. ty

>>64810229
>Their awful retarded dust cover
Not talking AR's here
>poor attempt at Zenitco while adding 4000 fucking screws
Again.. the gen 2 had maybe 6 screws, so you are infact regurgitating fuddslop. Noted
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>>64810126
Keep the Beryl and the SLR, the rest can go.
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>>64810218
What safety selector is that?
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>>64793367
Are you in Houston, TX? I think this is my old rifle that I sold on Texas Gun Trader.
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>>64810303
>>64810327
>and they decided to ignore the TRVTH
can be traced back to biblical teachings. noted.
>>64810451
>Not talking AR's here
... ?
>so you are infact regurgitating fuddslop.
You chose your path. I cannot stray you from it. Enjoy your copeccesories.
>>64810529
Can be found on recent production AK100 serie / izhmash. Russian safety selector. Some people think it's an AK12 one which is incorrect even though they share some similarities.
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>>64810126
>WBP Jack
$800
>SLR107R
$1100
>Chinese SKS
$550
>FEG Hi Power
$400
>Chinese Tokarev
$200
>7.62 Beryl
$1300
>5.56 Beryl
$1100

If you must sell any of these, start with the SLR107.
Fuck the tax man btw.
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>>64810817
What did SLR mean by this?
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>>64809452
Yes, they do. I'm waiting for a kit at a discount tho.
>WBP
Yeah, that's about it. My friend has a 5.45 gun with about 1k through it, seeing some peening. if I get near it I'll take a pic.
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>>64810126
Fuck the taxman. That's what I think.
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>>64809197
Ahh I was looking for you at the beginning of the thread. Any more rounds through it? Any more problems?
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>>64810291
Its unfired, still in plastic wrap. Are you on AKFiles?
>>64810524
I have 4 Beryls, 2 in each cal. Letting the extras go.
>>64810620
Thx anon
>>64811294
Dangerously based
>>64810355
At work rn but they’re bone stock, unfired, direct from AoA
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>>64811525
>Are you on AKFiles?
Sadly no, I have never really been all that much into boomer forums. I can post my email if you'd like. If not I understand.
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>>64811525
I'm on the files, post a link.
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>>64811525
Damn, I spent all my money on a Martini Henry.
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My Saiga conversion buddy from work took the pics for me
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>>64810817
Peek hohol slayer loadout.
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>>64811874
Looks really good. Is that OG plum or new production?
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>>64809653
Is the 104 in the picture with us right now?

>>64809724
>you need actual experience with something to draw conclusions or hold justified true beleib!
>Subjective experience is the ultimate reality!
We literally are regressing into the dark ages.
WBPs are literal shit tier guns and I don't even need to exist for that to be a fact.

>>64810015
RS Regulate AK 301M

>>64810229
Midwest makes cope tier AR shit too

>>64811216
>Yes, they do
Link bls?
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>>64812001
https://atlanticfirearms.com/manufacturers/iglim-kalashnikovs?page=4
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>>64811857
Out of town. I’ll post it in a few days.
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>>64812001
Reading comprehension.
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>>64811499
Not yet. Need to stock up on 7,62x39.
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>>64812001
>is the 104 in the pic
I realized after filling out the home title sized captcha I fucked up the model number. Is it a 105 or a 101? it looks like a handy rifle.
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>>64812950
god damn fat thumbs on these tiny ass phones. its an AKn i like it, apparently the u iverse dlhas deemed me unworthy to type the fucking model.

Is it an Arsenal?
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>>64812467
Prepare your anus, shit has gotten so expensive the Yugo surplus at $0.50 is probably a bargain.
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Are new hellpups good to go? Local shop has a few of the micros and I like how they feel.
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>>64811984
Surplus Plum I got from a customer of mine
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>>64809820
Meridian hasnt shown us factories with literal nigger workers yet. KUSA did and it was clear from that day on. Still, you have a point and thats why I didnt buy one.
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>>64792089
Bootin' for Paul
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>>64792773
California is so fucking gay.
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>>64811525
Post link to ak files account or email.
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>>64813183
No, if you want a micro size AK either get a Draco or PSA Krink
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>>64804846
>My lgs has a Norinco sporter/hunter with the traditional rifle stock and extended handguard for like $900, should I get it?
Yes. $900 is on the low end for prices on those.
>Is it worth the conversion work?
No. Leave it the way it is, but get a clamp on the barrel bipod and a drum for it and have a poor mans RPK since the Norinco Sporter has a 20 inch barrel and a milled reciever.
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>>64792773
>Extended magazine, unregistered "assault rifle"
Besides the retarded libtard language, I could only see a charge sticking if this retard was a felon. Felons don't deserve any rights
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Oddly specific addition to the thread but I’ve been dedicating my autism toward finding out more about this cheap chinese AK shotgun imported by JTS thst you can pretty regularly get for 200-300 shekels.

Now I fully expect it to be a piece of shit, but what has really piqued my autism is the handguards. They seem to be closer to AKM handguards but the actual weapon seems to be closer in dimensions to the RPK.

The guns themselves are manufactured by the Chinese state owned Chongqing Jianshe group who also make the type 81 and a few type 95s along with China’s Barret from wish

Wondering if the handguard is shared between the m12ak and any other JS industries AKs or if I would have to extensively modify a wooden AKM handguard to fit my inbred Saiga. Also I pissed my pants in front of my entire class when I was 11 and that day still haunts me if that matters.
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>>64814628
The M12AK handguards aren't compatible with the M12AKT1 or 2 handguards. The T models have a different gas tube and no handguard retainer, instead the handguard is attached via screws. JTS makes MLOK handguards for the M12AK which are listed separately.

About AKM handguards: Won't work unless you cut and reshape the back of the handguard. An AKM UG is the right size to twist into the gastube but the lower HG on the JTS is too short. The front retainer is the right shape but its about an inch too far back. You'll have cut a bunch off and then reshape the protrusion that slots into the receiver
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>>64814739
Might be a fun woodworking project if I can find some surplus handguards in mid or poor condition. If I try it I’ll definitely post here. Thanks anon.
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>>64814420
Don't forget the zastavas.
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>>64813183
I have an M85 and a Draco and they both kinda suck honestly. M85 is heavy as fuck and the Draco was horribly out of spec
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>>64815109
>M85 is heavy as fuck
Lift some weights.
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>>64815041
glhf
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>>64815157
brother its an 10.5lb gun before I even put a LAM or suppressor on it
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>>64794255
Lol holy shit what is this, the 20s? Faux woodgrain painting was a thing around 1900 or so, sometimes to make fruit tree wood look like oak or something, sometimes even to make pine look like hardwood or much finer wood, which the shellac would make even more convincing. Sometimes the detail the maker went into was retarded. And a little tip, if you have a real old house with nicely woodgrained stairs, be hesitant to refinish them. A lot of them were pine painted to look like nice oak LOL. But on AK furniture? Man...

>>64800727
Backyard Ballistics has a pretty good recipe or two for rusting fluid that converts to blue via boiling.
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>>64814177
>yet
KUSA didn’t disclose the niggers building AKs until near the end. Meridian is based in California, there is no way they are not employing DEI hires. For me, its drunk slav built AKs or nothing.
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>>64792700
updooted that heckin chungus my guyerino. It's wasr wednesday my dude!!
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>yfw she says It's yours
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>>64815630
That AK reminds me of Gaunt's AR-47
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Any chance that we get more Nork Parts kits but with the barrel?
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>>64815572
What part of California.
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>>64816085
>Gaunt
What ever happened to him? He still owes me the 5.45 Sten gun

>>64816165
IDK. Every gun part has one up for sale rn
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>>64816239
For too much money. lol
I'm mostly reffering to the "Asian Contract" kits that were coming in. I would like one with the OG barrel, if not, I've got a friend who bought one but wants to sell me a kit for some money on the cheap.
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Oh wtf a bunch of PSA parts just showed up at my house, how'd that happen lol. Uhhh I mean like uhhh guess I'm gonna have to use them now hahaha.

>>64816246
If he's selling it for less than Atlantic MSRP then go for it I say. I don't think its that big of a deal if it doesn't have the OG barrel, a new barrel doesn't add that much additional cost and it extends the service life of the rifle. A lot of the OG barrels are legit sewer pipes so I don't think it's worth paying extra for just to have some proof marks that will be likely be hidden under the handguards anyways.
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>>64816258
He's selling it to me for $300. So I'm just gonna pick it up.
>OG barrel
It's just my autism I suppose. AK builder makes good barrels at least. Have one in my Tantal that was a century fuck up.
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>>64815157
Lifting is dumb get a life gymbro
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>>64816265
Not being able to hold a 10lbs is embarrassing.
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>>64816271
*A 10lb gun
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>>64816263
>He's selling it to me for $300. So I'm just gonna pick it up.
Sounds good to me. That's less for what the average Romanian kit goes for so that's a steal. AK builder barrels are in fact very nice
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>>64814628
Yeah, this one is definitely one to just leave alone. You will frustrate yourself trying to make things work and not be satisfied with the result. Even standard stocks wont fit correctly. Every little thing about this firearm has some sort of non standard dimension. As >>64814739 mentioned your best bet is to just go with accessories produced by the manufacturer, which arent that many to begin with. They're great firearms, I have one and have never had a problem, to the point that i'd genuinely trust my life to it. Follow the pre use instructions and get the correct ammo. Technically i've had more malfunctions, albeit rare with my AR that I have that shotgun (JTS M12AK T1). I've never had an issue with that JTS.
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So its been a minute for me and curious on how yall feel about the BFT47 because there's one nearby me for 600. Sadly lost my Vepr because I couldn't pay off the pawn in time.
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>>64816494
NO
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>>64816510
I heard alot of mixed reviews on them (reminds me of the old WASR time) and the 2 I fired were feeling really good and no issues (the owners had them for years and they fire them in the boonies drunk and they were not effected by the recall). Are they really that bad or is it the just the meta to say its shit automatically?
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>>64816523
If all you want to do is make noise in the woods a few times every year then a century AK is fine. I don't know why the BFT series gets shit on, but I do know that Century has a long and well documented history of producing garbage Kalashnikovs that beat themselves to death. Just save another $150 and get a WASR or Draco.
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>>64816494
>the BFT47 because there's one nearby me for 600
Is it new or used? Because you can get them for $600 new. Buy one and have fun, or not. I say this as a man who bought a Pioneer for shits.
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>>64816841
Brand new BFT47 core just curious on the long term use since im planning of using about 7k rounds through it in the next 2 years.
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>>64816494
I mean a mediocre AK is better than no AK.
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>>64816291
I hate how that artist draws eyebrows.
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Are the WASR-10 paras a good starter/beater AK? The muzzle device is gaudy, but there are sub-$700 ones NIB on fuddbroker currently.
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>>64818042
Site radius of course, these are sub $700 on Dahlonega, and you don't have to add 3% FOR CREDIT CARD like on boomer broker.
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>>64818074
The sight radius doesn't really bother me since I was probably going to just put a micro red dot on it with either the side mount or an Attero arms rear sight mount. But ty for letting me know about Dahlonega, I always forget about them.
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>>64818042
I've heard these barrels are different and have issues? I will not elaborate
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>>64800803
Post before and after pics anon, interested to see the results.
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>>64818423
Just looks like a looong Draco
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>>64818668
I did the test and it came out fine. I just need time when the family is away to do it. but will do.
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>>64816494
It's just not that good, I would save 150 or look at pawnshops for a wasr or something else.
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>>64818673
The only "issue" with those barrels is that they're pencil profile so they overheat more quickly.
I don't find that as an issue - I'd chop it and turn it into a md 90.
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How much of a problem is the recoil of 7.62x39? Do muzzle brakes make AKs in 7.62x39 super concussive?
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>>64818982
>recoil of 7.62x39
It hurst my bussy so I only shoot 5.56 aks <3 heehee
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>>64818982
It's negligible at most. Any muzzle break makes any gun more concussive, the style of the brake is a factor too. A slant brake not really, something like the 74 style, or others will be more so to people next to you. And the shorter the barrel on the gun the more it will be as well. Get something like a Bulgarian 4 piece. It will push the muzzle blast forward more so than to the sides and make it a bit more pleasant to those around you. And it does really well to hide flash too.
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>>64819118
To add to this, my younger sister, who had no experience shooting guns at all, shot my wasr with a slant brake just fine and managed to hit a paint bucket 25 yards away more than 50% on her first try. If she can control the recoil, a grown man should be able to.
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>>64818982
Wait some people actually consider recoil to be a "problem"?
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>>64809724
I think it's just one crazy guy who posts here. Everybody is happy with their wbps and I haven't seen any videos badmouthing it. It's also unanimously considered to be the best quality ak on the market rn so I dunno.
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>>64819414
>It's also unanimously considered to be the best quality ak on the market
Lel, no. Overpriced commercial grade slop to filter retards.
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>>64819436
oh look its the crazy guy
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>>64819439
Oh so a 7-10k round lifespan is normal then? As well as if your stock isn't installed "correctly" somehow that will make it malfunction?
Those are direct from the Will Break Parts home office.
Get filtered, retard.
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>>64819471
Not that anon, but you can google literally any ak and find one or two that failed, there's tons of them out there and who knows what ammo bubba used
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>>64819471
pretty sure he said if the stock isn't installed correctly it will negatively affect accuracy, not cause malfunctions. I don't really see how installing an AKM stock incorrectly could cause malfunctions, if he really did say that he's just wrong or lost in translation
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>>64819471
>>64819496
Just to show you some googling around, found a Russian AK bolt break apart the same way. Doesn't mean Russian AKs are bad. I think a lot of times it's from not checking headspace before shipping it out.
http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/86009-new-guywith-a-broken-bolt/
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>>64819496
Way to completely gloss over the low round lifespan and a stock causing malfunctions. WBP has been and will always be commercial slop for non AK people to be like
>"Look at my 'pretty' AK. No I don't ever really shoot it, because ammo is so expensive but it looks cool"
I don't want them to suck, but I'm not going to glaze them over their trash either.
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>>64819525
way to completely gloss over the russian saiga bolt that blew up after 50 FUCKIGN ROUNDS instead of the 7-10k on the WBP. It doesn't mean anything and hard to say if it's shooting without properly headspacing first or ammo related or the bolt, crazy anon
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>>64819536
>>64819525
Lemons happen in every industry since ever.
I wonder why this is such a surprise to AK people.
>>64819471
Fun fact, 7-10k rounds is an average and acceptable lifespan for a rifle.
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Such pinning caused by a (polished) ALG 200 rounds in is the only thing i will say about WeBuildPoop. I need to shoot more through it to shitpost about it. Can't be arsed to stock overprice 7,62x39 right now tho.
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>>64819692
This is what schizophrenia looks like everyone.
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>>64819723
Why do you cope so much doe ?
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>>64819580
yea my wasr was a literal twisted mess that literally couldnt chamber live ammo without the piston binding in the gas tube and locking the gun. I just returned it and got a working one
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Anyone know if I'd definitely need to look into a KNS for a WBP if I'm planning on running a CAT ODB on it? From the few reviews I've seen, since it's built around 16" AK's being its main use along with "low backpressure" I'm thinking I can probably get by without a KNS. Any thoughts?
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>>64819525
>>64819471
>stock causing malfunctions
Pure cognitive bias on your part. He said it would cause accuracy issues. As in: if you don't have the stock installed you can't shoulder it therefore its not accurate.

Honestly, use your brain. How on earth would a stock cause accuracy loss or malfunctions? How would it ever interfere with anything? In your autistic rage, you took some uncharitable translation as fact without thinking it through
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>>64820188
Yeah i installed one on mine.

Needless to say the MiniJack, on top of being made of Polish butter, was also overgased. More than what i would consider "normal" for an AK.

With a can, especially non flowthrough, i heavily suggest you go for a KNS.

And measure your shit properly, too. Mine was listed as a C39V2 but actually came shorter when measured.
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>>64820221
> As in: if you don't have the stock installed you can't shoulder it therefore its not accurate.

Fuck off you disinfo tranny faggot. Don't you have an ICE raid on a child molester to go interfere with? The lanky soi faggot WBP manager ON CAMERA claimed that the stock being installed or not affected the fucking harmonics of the rifle which causes inaccuracy. Literal made up bullshit, just like all the precepts of communism. Same video the asshole gaslights the world claiming that the lifetime of an AK is 10k rounds.

Let's not even get started on the billet parts and shit barrels.

WBP is a joke.

>>64820188
Sell the gun. It will beat itself apart with a can.
KNS pistons do work.
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>>64820345
>instant off topic political sperging because he can't comprehend any other reason someone would disagree with him
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>>64820345
>claimed that the stock being installed or not affected the fucking harmonics of the rifle which causes inaccuracy
okay but can you explain how that actually works lmao? The easier explanation is that some dumb manager was talking out of his ass
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>>64820320
The ODB is flow through, though. Here's a clip for reference: https://youtu.be/X2LuCIdcM40?si=B57xxRRKJxm1Un0k&t=249

They basically say you don't need to tune for the ODB backpressure, especially when using subs.
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>>64819471
The rep misspoke. He was referring to the barrel life
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>>64820360
>how that actually works
It doesn't. It is made up bullshit and just shows how far up their own asses their heads are. Why would you buy a gun from a company made up of such idiots and literal nincompoops.
>>64820349
Wow what an excellent and sound refutation of my argumentative point.

>>64820399
Yes. 10k rounds barrel life is a fucking joke. That is a toy, not a gun.
>75k-100k
This would be on the high end of the lifespan of a real firearm like an AKM, but isn't completely unreasonable, for a real AKM. For a WBP? Yeah fucking right.
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>>64820438
There's that cognitive bias we talked about bud. Hey, remember when a BCM rep misspoke and said their barrels were only rated for 1 round every 10 seconds? I dont recall any tripfags dropping BCM over that.

This negative sentiment about WBP of this degree doesn't exist anywhere outside of a few /k/ nano-celebs and the odd instagram micro-celeb. Other forums will tell you they have an accuracy issue but thats it.
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>>64820602
>This negative sentiment about WBP

I don't know if you are on their payroll but if you aren't : ask yourself WHY you are blindly defending them and if it's realyl worth it. Let it sink it.

The negative sentiment about WBP absolutely exists outside of this website. Not only that but i already provided a few points of concerns, notably a firing pin getting mushroomed in a microscopic amount of rounds by an ALG hammer, which is the first time i see such deformation out of the considerable amount of rifles i've handled with said hammer in them, but you dodged, coped, and ad hominem it out magistrally.

Deep down i know why you cope so much. Because you like to cling to the idea that you can still get quality, recent production, AKs, without breaking the bank too much or getting into builds kit. Guess what bozo : this is 2026. Get a WASR and shut the fuck up.
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>>64820809
>Get a WASR
Shitty no spec gas block.
Canted sights.
Shit-tier plastic furniture.
Balsa-wood tier furniture.
Slab sides.
No cleaning rod.
Finish so rough you can sand the callouses off your heels.
But yeah... it's better than WBP alright. Thanks, anon!
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>>64820809
Thnx wanna-be nano-celeb no. 2
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If I want a 7.62x39 SBR like a 104 but don't want to spend thousands of dollars to get a saiga converted to a 104, would a full-size draco be a good alternative? Or are dracos just cope for those who can't afford a 104 build?
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>>64820984
All you listed is literally cosmetic even down to the canted sights that you can fix in 10 minutes flat if you aren't a retarded monkey.

But deep down you're seething because you know that in an AK the only thing that fucking matters is the capacity to handle rounds and abuse without choking. WeBuildPoop doesn't have the WASR track record nor will ever have it according to that mushroomed ass firing pin 200 rounds in.

Cope.
Seethe.
Dilate.
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>>64820390
>?si=B57xxRRKJxm1Un0k
thank you mossad
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>>64820602
Its literally just him
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>>64821775
Two tripfags plus one anon, but yes its only here that niggas lose they minds over WBP. If you say "I'm going to buy a WBP" anywhere else like Akfiles, AKforum, etc, nobody Is going to bat an eye. People might bring up those two bolt failures but you can do that for any gun on the market as has already been demonstrated here. The consensus is positive outside of a very specific, very loud tripfag influencer clique. People recommend them everywhere else.
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>>64821920
Its only been of recent, for years they were praised here before the tripfags came. Never had a a problem with my Fox, I actually own one, I bet most of them dont.
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>>64821939
Yes I too remember how things were. Swissfag claims to have owned a rifle in the past and lynx currently but he's a also mentally disabled. He got all mad about KRYK because he couldn't install it properly. His lazy nigger ass couldn't be bothered to fit his Zenit properly so he hammered it in and gaped his receiver. Now everything is is all wobbly and needs shims.

He also thinks JMAC has nice aesthetics. Should tell you everything you need to know
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>>64821975
everything
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>>64821189
I wouldn’t spend money on a purchase you’ll end up regretting. If a 104 clone is simply too much for you to ever own, I’d suggest a beryl 762 from AoA. Have the barrel chopped down and add on an AK74 muzzle brake.
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>>64822134
Nigga those have been OOS since like May of last year.
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>>64822247
Surprise surprise AoA found some
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>>64820602
BCM's are subpar. There's tooling marks on the chrome plating of both these factory new barrels and one of the crowns are inexplicably damaged. Pencil barrels are bad enough without the M-LOK guard acting like an insulation tube so they group poorly even with match ammo
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>>64816168
Southern
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>>64822329
I am so fucking pissed rn. I just got a FAL and would have gotten this instead.
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>>64822767
I miss being able to buy cool guns without crime. No, really. Its something I really fucking miss because I was able to do it for YEARS, decades. Now because of some fucking commie cocksuckers and foreigners in the state capitol who took money from Bloomberg's anti-gun groups we can't even touch those guns anymore. I'd even concede some sort of license to have them, nope! Their goal isn't safety - its complete disarmament. Fuck them, fuck their supporters, and fuck anyone who supports "gun control." God damn I hate them so much its unreal. I'm drunk anons I fuckin hate them. Hate hate hate.
>you voted for this
The FUCK I did nigger.
t. Washingtonian
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>WBP said their buttstock will cause malfunctions if installed incorrectly!
>Ok ok they actually said it will only affect accuracy
>WBP said the lifespan of their rifles is 10k!
>Ohh it was lost in translation he was talking about the barrel life
>which he's wrong about anyway because they use FB Radom hammer forged chrome lined barrels that last 50k+
>WBP is the only maker that has had bolt failures!
>NO STOP posting pics of Russian bolts failing too
Two tripfags really earning their stellar reputation today
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>>64823154
>NO STOP posting pics of Russian bolts
>bolts
I see one.
Stop replying nigger, nobody cares about your commercial grade opinions :)
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>>64822951
I knew someone from the SEATAC area. She said it was quite horrible there as a gun owner. Hoping Oregon is marginally better when I move.
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>>64821975
I own a MiniJack as we speak you stupid retarded fucking nigger. There's no "in the past". I've pointed the fact that the firing pin gets damaged 200 rounds in SIX FUCKING TIMES so far, pictures, everything, and every single FUCKING TIME you eluded the subject.

Just the fuck up already you retarded fucking waste of bandwidth. You know jack shit about AKs. You know jack shit about shit. Just accept we are actually educating you for free and keep your hole closed forever.

>He got all mad about KRYK because he couldn't install it properly. His lazy nigger ass couldn't be bothered to fit his Zenit properly so he hammered it in and gaped his receiver. Now everything is is all wobbly and needs shims.
>couldn't install properly
Oh i did it install it properly all right. And it's shit, like most Ukrainian garbage to begin with. Looks like shit, fits like shit, relies on the handguard retainer, it's just absolute ass in all regards especially on longer rails. Dilate.
>couldn't bothered to fit his Zenit properly
>he hammered it in
WHICH, IF YOU KNEW ZENITCO OR AKS TO BEGIN WITH YOU STUPID NIGGER, IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. IMBECILE. DUMBASS. DUMB FUCK. NEVER ANSWER ME EVER AGAIN. YOU SHOULD NEVER EVER FILE ZENITCO EXCEPT ON VERY SPECIFIC CASES AKA MILLED RECEIVERS OR WHATNOT, AS THE STURDINESS OF THE SYSTEM RELIES ON IT TAKING THE SHAPE OF THE RECEIVER HENCE HAVING TO HAMMER IT IN. ITS FUCKING ALUMINIUM. T'S SPECIFIED EVERYWHERE. FUCK.

Besides if you weren't equipped with the reading capabilities of a nigger you would know that the KPYK i tried was fitting like shit on my Izzy Saiga 103, not my WBP.

As for JMAC you're correct. It looks nice, fits nice, and is far better made than your ukrainian fucking wannabe be sci-fi consumer grade garbage shilled by an AK manufacturer that also does consumer grade garbage. Go figure. Goes hand in hand.

Suck a fart out my ass. Having to share a board with such clueless faggots is truly agony.
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>>64823154
>WBP said their buttstock will cause malfunctions if installed incorrectly!
They never ever said that you lying snake piece of shit. The issue was never about anything being "installed incorrectly". They straight up pointed out that you need to use some kind of stock or adapter that sits deep enough to support their dogshit rear butter trunnion walls and proceeded to shill that awful looking ass KPYK stock for 10 minutes flat. Last but not least they made an abysmal, only heard once and only uttered once in the history of gun manufacturing, that a "stock could lead in a loss of accuracy relative to harmonics". Which doesn't mean FUCK ALL from a mechanical standpoint or ANY standpoint to begin with.
>WBP said the lifespan of their rifles is 10k!
They literally said that in their video.
>Ohh it was lost in translation he was talking about the barrel life
Which was a correction made LATER DOWN THE ROAD after they got (rightfully so) shat on for that awful statement. You're basically blaming people from hearing what someone straight up said. Since the average gun owner isn't trying to take fat polish cocks up his ass and isn't terminally online to make sure he didn't buy consumer grade shit (he did), he probably never saw said correction. Blame the author of the statement, not the receiver.
>WBP is the only maker that has had bolt failures!
Nobody ever said that. I never did, at least. I just said that FROM MY FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE i notice some heavy pinning / mushrooming on very little round counts, thing that i NEVER EVER saw on any AK i've handled. And you can bet your ass i've handled more AKs than your redditor ass.

You are the only one passing as a clueless nigger here sonny.
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>>64792700
type shit
>>64821189
if you want a gun with the same barrel length but basically nothing else then yea its awesome as a sbr
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>>64823538
This is a lot of words just to say: "im a dumb nigger and can't admit when im wrong" I didnt even read most of this desu.
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>>64823688
Keep me updated. Nice dubs.
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>>64823557
>Which was a correction made LATER DOWN THE ROAD after they got (rightfully so) shat on for that awful statement. You're basically blaming people from hearing what someone straight up said. Since the average gun owner isn't trying to take fat polish cocks up his ass and isn't terminally online to make sure he didn't buy consumer grade shit (he did), he probably never saw said correction. Blame the author of the statement, not the receiver.
Still didn't stop you from spreading falsehoods. If you used your brain, the rep's statement is self evidently false based on all the other info. Until today you didn't even acknowledge that was any evidence to the contrary to the rep claim. Now you're just being mad for being called out

>Last but not least they made an abysmal, only heard once and only uttered once in the history of gun manufacturing, that a "stock could lead in a loss of accuracy relative to harmonics". Which doesn't mean FUCK ALL from a mechanical standpoint or ANY standpoint to begin with.
If it didn't make any sense mechanically then why did you parade it around for months as something factual to be held against the rifles? Its just dishonest.
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>>64823906
Me personally? I'm just disappointed that swissfag is throwing his stellar reputation away over something so trivial. I used to look up to him until recently. Really hope he changes course and puts out an apology statement otherwise I think I'm gonna have to stop being a fan
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>>64823915
sad really
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>>64792089
Are bonesteel folding stocks compatible with beryl rear trunnions? This included one is shit.
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>>64823557
If you're so disappointed about some slight mushrooming on a WBP firing pin after using an aftermarket trigger, what do you think about the Izhmash Saiga bolt shearing off after only 50 FUCKING ROUNDS?
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>>64823154
Not one, not two, but three strawmen, and your "counter arguments", 1) that he meant the stock being installed or not would affect accuracy (the literal polak tries to appeal to harmonics), 2) that it was the barrel life that is 10k (this is essentially the lifespan because of AK headspacing, having to use an oversized barrel pin, and even then 10k is abysmal 1/3 to 1/9th the actual lifetime of a real firearm, not that you know anything about any of that, and they don't even use FB Radom barrels any more and never did on the vast majority of their product offerings, it was just SOME of the 7.62x39 guns), and 3) that we're claiming they're the only bolt failures, when that isn't the claim at all... these are all dumb bullshit and fallacious anyway.
Let's go over it again:
1) That lanky faggot manager claiming that the stock being installed or not would affect accuracy due to harmonics as opposed to owning that their bolt and trunnion material and geometry are shit leading to poor headspace and poor accuracy is just further evidence that WBP markets and sells to retards that don't know better.
2) He said lifetime of the firearm, not the barrel, and in anycase, in an AK the lifetime of the barrel is for all intensive porpoises the lifetime of the firearm, and 10k is abysmal, and the true FB Radom barrels a) were never in house (WBP BTFO) and b) were only used on a sub-segment of WBPs offerings, and now are no longer offered because they were just a contract overrun from WBP, not a consistent supply.
c) Bolt failures have been recorded to occur in variety of AKs, but the failure rate both explicit (broken bolt pieces) and implicit (shit accuracy, oob detonation, either as a result from lost headspace from deformation due to shit metallurgy) for WBPs is much higher AND we have a legitimate explanation (WBP using machined from billet parts) for why it is higher.
WBP is trash. YWNBAW, WBPWNBAK
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>>64824131
Umm.. no sweetie. No, I think those were all things you legitimately said. You're free to walk them back any time you'd like.
>WBPs is much higher AND we have a legitimate explanation
what's the failure rate? 3 posts on reddit after how many years of being around? Surely you're not making conjectures again
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it's good to know that wuggy is an annoying son of a bitch in other threads too
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>>64824157
conjectures is all it has
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>>64823915
SAAAR YOU LOSE SUBSCRIBER SAAAAR
FRIENDSHIP IS ENDED WITH SWISSSAAR
NEGATIVE IZZAT
CLOUT DESTROYED

(actually I don't have an opinion on your argument, but this is very gay)
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>>64824166
I don't think he has ever made a useful contribution to any thread I've seen him post in. Take him back to the other general please
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>>64824131
If having your own statements repeated back to you bothers you this badly maybe you should put more thought in before you post
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>>64821270
That’s an ugly ass build, different finish on the dust cover, clearly from two different guns. Handguard is over sized. Rivets on the Reciver look very rough. Machining marks on the BCG, probably late production post-Soviet production when worker’s no longer gave a shit. And dont even get me started on those cutouts for the selector… Did you let a retarded child with a dremel do that? Holy shit those look fucked. Bet you 50 bucks that sight is canted to. Genuinely one of the worst AKs I’ve ever seen yet these are the posters telling you what not to buy lol.
Genocide all namefags.
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>>64823900
>If it didn't make any sense mechanically then why did you parade it around for months as something factual to be held against the rifles? Its just dishonest.
Lolwat ? What kind of inversion is this ?
>If you used your brain, the rep's statement is self evidently false based on all the other info
What other info ? The butter firing pin getting mushroomed that you STILL keep eluding ?
>>64823915
You need to realize i spent money in my WBP thinking that shit was decent. So i'm mad on two aspects. One aspects being redditors on this shitty ass board somehow thinking these rifles are worth something, and me wasting money on a rifle which is a glorified range toy.

Fact of the matter is : i wouldn't be so invested if clueless niggers didn't have the sudden nerve to act loud about a subject they don't master.

>>64824233
Post your full auto AKSU.
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That's that "we're using Polish AK TDP from the 60s, that's ALG fault we don't have this issue with our dogshit trigger - WeBuildPoop" quality.

THEY KEEP ELUDING IT. But let that sink in for a moment.

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>>64824131
If you go on Arms of America or Atlantic Firearms, 8/10 of the 7.62x39 AKs they have for sale have FB Radom chrome lined barrels, the nitrided barrels are more of a 5.56 thing for them and they offer a small amount of them in 7.62x39 too. AoA is all out of stock but Atlantic has a bunch of chrome lined barrel WBP in stock
>>64824336
a little peening is nothing, russian bolts have sheared off in 50 rounds
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>>64824373
a little peening is nothing
>little
I guess i wouldn't bat an eye 5000 rounds in sure.
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>>64824289
>dude ur wbp will uniroically explode if you put da wrong stock in it
to
>umm well no it actually wont but the rep is really silly and I totally didn't actually believe that for months until I was asked to explain myself

>firing pin
You can find mushroomed firing pins and carrier tails for any AK. Especially those with ALG or tapco triggers. Stop pretending like this isn't a well known side effect of after market triggers.
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>>64824413
You can find mushroomed firing pins and carrier tails for any AK. Especially those with ALG or tapco triggers. Stop pretending like this isn't a well known side effect of after market triggers.
Carrier tails ? Sure. After a considerable amount of rounds and on un-reprofiled ALGs has the geometry has also a role to play in that. Fair enough. Mine is profiled and smooth as a babby butt. Firing pins ? Far more rare occurence. And even then, yet again, after a decent amount of rounds through the pipe.

We're talking 200 here. Even less, didn't kept an exact round count since i bought it but it's extremely low as i've been unnable to stock on rounds atm.
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>>64824413
>dude ur wbp will uniroically explode if you put da wrong stock in it
Strayman. Never ever said that. Only copy pasted the exact words of the rep which was that you somehow "need" a "proper" stock that supports the trunnion from the inside or your risk issues. His words. Not mine. Rewatch the video. Please stop being so fucking dishonest it's insane.
>umm well no it actually wont but the rep is really silly and I totally didn't actually believe that for months until I was asked to explain myself
What the fuck are you talking about.
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>>64824001
Also, is there a special wrench for the muzzle brake? Mine is threaded but I cant get it off by hand
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>>64805445
right now i just have a single 4 mag pouch i put on my belt
its not optimal for larperating but good enough for range trips
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>>64824407
if it doesn't get much worse it doesn't matter, that's what happens with aftermarket triggers retard
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>>64824531
Have you tried twisting the other way?
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>>64824745
No it doesn't you fucking noAK faggot. I'm clocking 10K on my 103 with an ALG, the peening is almost non existant. You need pictures too or can you fuck off already ?
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>>64824795
>almost non existant
kek so it peened too. How does the peen affect you?
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>>64824826
>kek so it peened too
After 10K rounds metal shows minimal wear where it's been impacted repeatedly, indeed. Nothing compared to what i'm seeing on the WBP, where metal is actually being forcefully displaced.
>How does the peen affect you?
Do i really need to point out why it's a subject of concern in case of actual change of geometry you dumb faggot ?
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Who makes a good tri-rail pic handguard? I want to add a vfg and a light. Don’t want to shell out 6 gorillion for zenitco or an entire chassis system
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>>64824756
Yeah. I got the 1/2*28 threads, not the left hand version. I've put at least a thousand rounds on it though
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>>64824986
If you are 100% sure it has threads and is not pinned, I would say heat it up and use a strap wrench, if you don't want to heat it up maybe start with some penetrating oil to get it moving.
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>>64824186
He has to be joking, anon. This is 4chan, not Reddit / Tumblr
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>>64825021
Yeah its not pinned, i double checked my gun and my order form. Must just be carbon locked, appreciate the info.
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>>64823538
Swissanon, unironically, I broke like 3 WBP firing pins. Their firing pins are inarguably trash. If it's just the firing pin that's the issue, I bought an AK74 firing pin, sanded down the diameter of the tip until it fit, and have had no issues since. Take it for what it's worth.
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>>64825113
Good to know thanks.
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