your potential as a writer directly corresponds to how many (you)s you can farm

Let's try to have a thread where you don't give this unemployed, unpublished, sociopathic loser any attention.

How do I write without amphetamines?
Alternatively, how do I get amphetamines?

>>25038114
Also a thread free or genreslop. If you write about mages shooting Cthulhu with photon torpedoes then go to /wng/.

>>25038088
shitpost it might be, it's a good point. writing is about knowing how to pull reactions from an audience

Don't fall for him replying to himself.

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Will I ever write anything worthwhile if I'm an ESL?

>>25038139
it wasn't, that was me
you're also feeding him btw so don't take a moral high ground retard

>>25038137
How many excerpts were intentionally written to rustle jimmies and piss off the critics? How many were written by actual retards? Is there really a difference if the effect is the same?

There are 2 posters in this thread.

>>25038144
Write it in your primary language

>>25038163
i understand this cope to stay sane but it simply isn't true. there are actually just this many trolls

>>25038133
what are you supposed to write then?

>dozens of posts crying about the thread
have you ever reflected on anything youve said or done? not something you want to neglect as a writer, i'd think

>>25038144
it's not even uncommon, really

>>25038274
You are supposed to write about depressed male neets talking to themselves over 200 pages

>>25038144
In this day and age? Where you have a thousand different tools that correct your grammar and prose?
Yes, quite easily

>>25038376
>dostoevsky enjoyer

>>25038314
it's either complain or post nothing whatsoever, because the thread is unusable for its original purpose.

I'm not really a religious person but I'm going to start praying for this faggot's death.

>>25038477
because we put all the writers in wng

>>25038072
im just telling your 4chan

>>25038531
You. Your death.

>>25038531
This.
Everyone who wrote and had fun went to wng, we are left with the intellectual fags who dont write

>>25038595
>intellectual

>>25038579
I am 100% certain you're the guy begging everyone else to stop feeding the trolls while actively going on to feed the trolls the most

>>25038595
>>25038606
>>25038614
Your death.

>>25038579
do everyone a favor and leave

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>>25038628
missed me, bozo

In my manuscript I reference a currently unreleased film as having been out for a while because I just know I'm not gonna be able to get this shit published before the movie comes out IRL. It would be tremendously ironic if I ended up getting it published before the movie comes out and although I find that possibility unlikely I would of course welcome it

I started reading one of my books about writing
It's giving me hope

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Gemini liked my book. Surely I'm doing something right.

>>25038647
stop bullying AI into giving you a good score.

>>25038628
>>25038632
that's hilarious because I was only 2 of those 3, so there's at least 3 people he thinks is 1 guy

You will never be everyone. You will never be a multitude. You will never be published.

>>25038676
>You will never be published.
nobody here wants to be published

>>25038679
You will never be a real writer. You have no stories, you have no themes, you have no deeper meanings. You are an internet addicted manchild twisted by excessive reading and delusions of grandeur into a crude mockery of creative perfection.
All the (You)s you get are tongue-in-cheek and from other trolls. To your face people mock you. /wg/ is disgusted and ashamed of you, your "frens" laugh at your masturbatory purple prose right out in the open.
Authors are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of literary tradition have allowed authors to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even nopubs who "self-publish" read as uncanny and unnatural to an author. Your plot structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk author to critique your work, he'll close your rentry link and LOL the second he gets a whiff of your ridiculous, unfiltered adjective abuse.
You will never be published. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself you're going to make it, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.
Eventually it'll be too much to bear - you'll by a double barreled shotgun, load it with buckshot, put it in your mouth, and pretend you're just like Hemingway. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They'll bury you with a headstone marked NGMI, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a pseud is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably not a writer.
This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.

>>25038647
you didn't get a perfect 100/100 score - ask what you need to change to get it there, I'm curious in what it says.

>>25038684
it said there are points where I was having characters "explain" points instead of letting readers figure out the themes themselves.

>>25038647
have you written anything like this before? sounds like it has a bit of scope. the commentary makes it sound impressive anyway

>>25038682
first of all, you literally can't do anything to me. All you can do is type middle school retard shit. Anyone with an IQ above double digits dosen't care. You know my "throw away" pen name, big whoop. I do get little writing tidbits here, it never fails to amaze me that I can mine good writing tips here. I find it hard to believe that you think "ooh. he's so humiliated...". That tells me, that if you were the butt of it? You'd care, and would actually be hurt? God, I can't imagine being so immature and fragile. I'm getting what I want and need here, like tonight I got a great something and looked upa great article going into depth on it. I rewrite the failed chapter I posted, and I like it way better now. Those... words that scroll up outside of that? Like I care. All upside for me, no downside. Being here, I feel like I work in a looney bin. Good job, decent benefits. I just ignore people finger painting on the walls with their own shit. I just shake my head and go on. A certain portion of you all act like shaved chimpanzees. Whatever, its like a trip to the zoo and you giggle at the monkeys beating off. "well, there's something you don't see every day. Gonna go get a beer and a corn dog at the concession stand."

Didn't read faggot, just like everyone else who will ever encounter your "writing".

checking something out. tell me which style of prose you prefer and I’ll tell you what you are.

>A:

Harold hated waiting for the bus. Of all the things during the day he hated most, waiting on the corner of Sullivan and Botsworth was it. When that magnificent beast of a vehicle, in its whites and blues with floating adverts of perfumes, nylons, or hairspray on its side, rounded the bend, then, and only then, did he exhale into the air and watch as his breath faded away.

It was the first of October, and Harold Harrington had been waiting for over thirty minutes. The leaves rustled above him, the caw of a floundering crow insisted somewhere in the branches, and he’d finished his last cigarette before the first rain fell. Instinctively he reached for another, and felt nothing but lint in the coat pocket of his brown tweed jacket.

He was alone, standing at the stop, as he’d always been for the past thirty years in more ways than one.

>B:

October first was a cold and drab day. Harold Harrington had been waiting for over thirty minutes for the bus to come and above his head the leaves rustled, a crow cawed from somewhere within, and he now realized, he’d finished his last cigarette. He could do with a cigarette now. His hands shook, his body followed. Then, the rain began to fall.

He hated waiting for the bus. It was the one thing he hated most of all, and only when the swell of a heaving vehicle eventually rounded the bend, then, did he feel relief flood his body.

He stood alone at the stop. The leaves rustled harder with the patter of rain, the crow cawed louder as if it was injured, and Harold realized for the last thirty years he’d always been alone, now in more ways than one.

>C:

Bus bus bus, stop stop stop. No one cared for the stop of a bus until the stop concerned them. Harold knew this well, and he knew it as true as a man who’d been waiting for a bus for thirty years. Not at once, but all together. Yes, Harold muttered, under his breath, below his neck, above his chest. No one heard, no one ever did, he was alone and always alone.

Come bus come, he thought or maybe preferred to say it instead. He wasn’t mad but he felt insane, waiting. Always waiting. Think of the time I could’ve spent doing something. Something that isn’t waiting. Where’s the bus? Who needs a bus when I’m the only one riding? If there were answers, they didn’t come, just like the bus.

He glanced at his watch. It was broken, but he still knew the bus was late. It was always late.

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>>25038647
Unsurprisingly easy to bully this clanker into a perfect rating

>>25038736
based

>>25038647
First of all, use claude for writing, it is far and wide the best for it
Second, you need to prompt shit like
>Be brutal
>Be free to criticize me freely
>Act like a real critic
Otherwise AI tends to kiss your ass

>>25038736
In my experience, the best way to get any remotely useful feedback from an LLM is to say you're a writing teacher and you're grading a student's submission. Ask it to rate certain aspects and provide feedback you can pass on to the student. Also make sure to say this is an advanced class and expectations are extremely high.
Even then... it will still be lenient.

>>25038751
but then it just shits on whatever it sees even if it's perfectly fine

>>25038771
AI will never substitute a human reader, but if it catches glaring issues, its very likely that a human reader will catch it too

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>>25038739
You'd have to read the book to know what was what but it's remarkable how inaccurate that thing is. It made mistakes in its negative critique and instead of correcting them in the last message it assumed some of the things it was right about were wrong.
>Hallucinated Details and Quotes: I previously cited a quote about a '[ACUTAL QUOTE FROM THE BOOK]" and mentioned "[ACTUAL THING FROM THE BOOK]" and "[ACTUAL THING FROM THE BOOK]." None of these exist in the text.

>>25038751
>>25038764
Claude is more eloquent but equally vapid.

>>25038771
>perfectly fine
If any of your writing sounds perfectly fine for you, its a very bad sign.
No writer worth a salt looks at their work and think "yep, there is no way this can be improved"
Its a constant effort of knowing when to stop editing, not because perfection is achievable, rather because it is futile after a certain point.

>>25038785
>2/5
ooph
When I asked it to be brutal it gave me 70/100
Your story might be shit mate

>>25038785
paste some of your writing so I can try see what Claude is saying

>>25038785
>A Ambitious
only glanced at the .jpg and this still reached out and slapped me

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I wish AI was nice to me.

>Rate my first chapter between 0-100 using conventional literary standards

>>25038792
>>25038798
You could read the whole thing and decide for yourself if you wanted to be a beta reader. Only we'd have to do it over email/Google Docs since I don't want it published prematurely. Just reach out to me at this burner: productionblues@proton.me
Would be happy to beta-read any of your stuff, too. Offer's open to anyone

>>25038802
Will send you a burner email.
I don't promise to read everything, but I should atleast read chapter 1

>>25038801
lol holy shit, this is the lowest score I have ever seen AI give someone. It's always in the mid 70's to 80's. But you, you take the cake being a shit writer.

>>25038801
>>25038808
Its better to get a low grade than a high one, because AI giving a high grade means jackshit, but when it gives you a low grade it means there is some real problems with your writing.

>>25038809
>when it gives you a low grade it means there is some real problems with your writing
Only if you value the clanker opinions on subjective taste (you shouldn't)

>>25038815
I don't, but I am also not stupid to completely disregard everything it says.
Its not an eldritch spirit, its just a tool, take whatever you see value from and discard the rest.

>>25038816
It's a tool alright, just not in that sense

>>25038803
Your link to the file is standing by

>>25038801
could you share a bit?

>>25038682
holy doomer pasta

>>25038823
done

>>25038830
No. it's terrible

>>25038819
I'll show you my tool

>>25038838
Do enjoy

>>25038852
Thanks, will post my opinion here shortly, If I was not writing myself I would give it 3 chapters, but unfortunately since that is not the case, I can only read the first one.

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>>25038072
Is this a good opening to my novel? It takes place in the '50s.

>>25038884
Sure, if Henry Ellis is an idiot or if Claire has dementia.

>>25038884
i don't know... it opens like it's supposed to be emotional, but immediately flips into 6 paragraphs of summary.

>>25038884
No, this writing is a slog. You have a habit of leaning on the word "and" like a crutch to keep your sentences upright. It makes the prose feel like a breathless child telling a story. You use it to string together three or four different ideas that deserve their own space. It kills the pacing.
The repetition of the "how big the world outside her was" line is clunky. I see what you were trying to do with the callback, but it feels unearned. It's a bit of a cliché. You also use words like "galvanizing" and "aesthete" and "gregarious" which feel like you're trying too hard to sound literary. It clashes with the simple, gritty reality of a guy who boozes and gambles.
Your character descriptions are thin. Claire is a "wild daughter" because she likes a writer? That's lazy. Henry is a "man of action" because he hugs his wife while lying to her? That’s not action. That’s just being a drunk with a silver tongue.
The structure is repetitive. You start with a scene, jump back to a history lesson, and then end up exactly where you started. It’s a circle that doesn't go anywhere. You tell us Henry is a writer but we never see him write. You tell us Arthur is a cartoonist but he’s just a prop in the background.
The dialogue in the beginning is weak. "You don't love me, and you came home late again, and you promised..." People don't list their grievances in perfect chronological order with "and" between every thought when they are sobbing. It’s too tidy. It’s too formal for a breakdown.
Cut the fluff. Stop explaining why people are friends and just show them being friends. Stop using ten words when four will do.
>It takes place in the '50s.
This doesn't really come through, the 1950s setting is barely there. You mention a radio technician and a loft, that's it.

>>25038852
Okay I ended up reading three chapters, because I couldn't get a feel for the first chapter and I was interested by your summary in the email, the chapters were not long which also helped.
I liked the zaniness of it, the forum idea and I loved the idea of contracting TB in order to write, your dialogue doesn't suffer from voice problems, but I felt three major issues when reading it.

I felt the proportion of dialogue to prose was way skewed towards the former, the lack of dialogue actions to allow for some breathing room made it feel too frantic and I caught myself skipping some of the dialogue just to see what would happen next.

Your chapter 1 is working against you, I felt like your chapter 2 was much stronger.
Also I'm not sure if you should keep the introduction, I am not sure if its your voice or the characters, if its your voice It might sound pretentious, if its the characters its okay, but I found no indication that it was her writing something.
My personal suggestion would be to start from chapter 2 with the TB discussion after a brief overview of the character obstacle (she can't write).

The third issue I have is that I feel like the forum discussion could be handled in a better format, Im not sure how, but it surely contributes to the dialogue-prose proportion I mentioned earlier.

>>25038910
>the 1950s setting is barely there. You mention a radio technician and a loft, that's it.
Yeah, it would have been better if it was about homophobia and sexism and inequality

>>25038910
Also, it's the first chapter, it doesn't have to show Henry writing anything, it's just exposition. I was just wondering if it was okay to have this much exposition in an opening chapter.

>>25038910
Your criticism is bad btw. It's literally the death of interesting ideas. Saying "the 1950s setting doesn't come through enough" is retarded. I hope you realize that, and become more literate for your own sake.

>>25038884
Just to add to what other anons said.
You open up with an emotional beat then proceed to exposition dump. Which is a cardinal sin.

>>25038892
Both are true

Sjust
D
Tyourself

>>25038914
You can have the 1950s setting come across more without having to reference larger sociological phenomenon.
>>25038919
Starting a book with exposition is boring, start with your characters, then get your exposition in later.
>>25038924
lil bro highlighted that it takes place in the '50s in his post like it was important and I let him know you wouldn't tell based on the snippet, if he wants the setting highlighted more he can change it so there's more focus on that time speriod
>Saying "the 1950s setting doesn't come through enough" is retarded
why?

>>25038937
You literally want me to write high fantasy garbage don't you?

>>25038940
you wouldn't be able to do that well either

>>25038940
nta but i can guess your age and how many books you've read and both are less than 18

I can't stress enough how being able to handle criticism is a key skill for writers.
This includes not falling for bait and being able to differentiate valid feedback from shitposting.
Your book received valid feedback, but you didn't like it

>>25038944
that's where i'd get taking your advice.

>>25038940
No, you would be writing historical fiction.

>>25038953
>>25038953
Historical Fiction is just a lazy man's fantasy

>>25038964
And yet you masturbate to the thought of Victoria getting jeeted. Curious!

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what do you think of this excerpt from my fantasy story?

>>25038968
you shouldn't have written victoria getting fucked by indians then. You should have kept it as a strict Anglo story. but no you just had to write about jeets fucking

>>25038973
The Burrow and the Blade/10

>>25038973
>Abyzon
Stopped reading.

>>25038973
Im slightly confused

>>25038945
says the guy speaking in niggerbabble

>>25038973
>shellacking
oy very he is using the mother tongue!

>>25039004
I'm so thankful they can't really read and write bros

>>25039007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBHZFYpQ6nc

>>25039004
was i wrong?

>>25038994
>The Burrow and the Blade
>google it
>https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sagasofvaelora/sagas-of-vaelora-the-burrow-and-the-blade
>Vaelora
I swear we had an anon that wrote a book with the name Vaelora. A Knight of Vaelora? Same author?

>>25039024
...the one where the protagonist is raped by a guard in the first chapter?
safe to say these are unrelated

>>25039016
>the 1950s setting didn't come through enough
>speaks in niggerbabble
this is all i need. thanks

>>25039031
nta, where's the niggerbabble?

>>25038993
>>25038968
Where's chapter 11+ you fuckers?

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I haven't been here in awhile. I think I'm finally ready to rewrite, restart, and redo this story. I'm going to keep it simple. No crazy religious shit, no post apocalyptic shit, no fantasy dragons shit. Just a gay mad man collecting body parts thinking he's some demon

>>25038912
Thanks for the pointers anon. I may heed your advice about chapter 1. There actually used to be another chapter 1 before the one you read that made the opening of the story even more aimless and expositional, but I cut out that tumor.
To push back a bit, the introductory essay (which is indeed the author's voice) isn't going anywhere no matter who says what (and many have said much). I'm feeling very bullheaded about this. I know it's unorthodox, but it fits too perfectly, especially if you read the whole book. Calling it pretentious makes me think you didn't get that it's satire or don't get satire at all. I could probably find ways to indicate satire more clearly but I'm afraid that might constitute dumbing it down, which might attract more readers but might also dissuade better readers.
I'll have to let what you said about the proportion of dialogue to prose percolate and see if any other readers report a similar issue. Same for the format I employ for texts/posts/etc. All I'm doing is borrowing the French style of writing dialogue. Seems like the best choice since I'm not keen on fancy formatting gimmicks.
If you feel inclined to keep exploring that world, the link will be up for a while, but if you have any more feedback you might want to email me since I may or may not see you post here. Offer's always open for me to feedback your stuff, just email me.

>>25038884
>, , , , , , , , , , , , , ,
bro?

>>25039088
This is fine. There's at least one sentence I'd clean up a little, but story-wise, it's got intrigue and seems like it's going somewhere. "A gay mad man collecting body parts thinking he's some demon" is an outrageous premise. ("Shocking; exceeding conventional behaviour; provocative.") A compliment; plenty of sickos out there like me are ready to read this kinda shit.

>>25039110
Thanks chatgpt

>>25038973
I find the fairytale stuff charming, but it's got an air of silliness that isn't quite funny. Just feels like you don't particularly care, like you're writing sarcastically (not writing sarcasm but writing sarcastically, almost like a shitpost but not as flagrant). I don't think I'd read much of this.

>>25038884
Feels like a synopsis. The stock advice in this case is to try expanding those summarizations into scenes.

>>25039122
>air of silliness that isn't quite funny
oh. it is supposed to be a comedy and the mc is a pseud

>>25039132
omg fr he's just like you that's crazy

>>25038789
I hate most of the shit I write, not the because of the story, but because I don't feel like I'm doing it justice.

>>25038789
>perfectly fine
>no improvement possible
are not at all the same
i would hope that at a certain point in a writing career you can look at some portion of your text and decide it's perfectly fine

>>25039132
I figured you're going for comedy but it's not working for me. I guess it just lacks that je ne sais quoi that elevates stuff past silly & stupid and into funny.

>>25039136
I was trying for a fantasy/fairy tale Ignatius but guess that isn't working either. Into the trash it goes

>>25039147
>fantasy/fairy tale Ignatius
I believe much of what made Dunces compelling was the lampooning of real-world culture. Not sure how a character like Ignatius lends itself to a fantasy setting. What's there for his interactions to satirize? Fantasy tropes? Yawn.
Not saying it couldn't work; don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. That's a great book and taking inspiration from it could lead to quality results.

I feel like I'll never have the self-confidence to write a story. Believing in myself that much for that long just seems impossible.

>>25039267
Don't worry, that self-confidence issue won't affect just your writing, but every imaginable aspect of your life, completely removing your ability to find fulfillment in any way

>>25039267
Just write short stories that interest you but you consider shit so when people criticize it you get good feedback on your prose and it doesn't matter if its shit cause you knew that all along anyway.

>>25039270
Hm, seems like something I should try to solve in a straightforward and serious way then, but instead I think I'll just limp along as I am until I die alone and miserable.

>>25039267
Let me tell you a secret
Everytime you get an idea that is solid enough to write about. You will feel excited for the first few hours, maybe even for the first few days, you will genuinely think you have something special. We call this the honeymoon phase
If you are not a narcissist or a retard, you will start thinking that your premise sucks and it wont be a good story, at the very best, you will think that it wont be anything special.
The secret to writing is continuing even when you believe your story will be okay-ish but you write because you like doing it

Actually, it is a very major redflag if someone is excited by an idea from start to finish, it means that they dont look at it critically enough and will produce some self-fellatio slop

Curious to know some different ways people use AI in conjunction with their writing. I've seen people here use it to fix grammar/spelling and for critique but I've been using it as a kind of beta reader mostly. Basically I tell it to pretend to be a first time reader and react to and write it's thoughts on what's happening in the story as I feed it chapters. When I see it gets something wrong or gets confused I know I need to go back to that part and clarify things. Very good as a 'lowest common denominator reader' if that makes sense. Also useful to see if I'm evoking the emotions and ideas I was intending. Anyone have any other use cases?

>>25039611
I gave it 11 checks to perform for grammar, clarity, pacing, consistency, distinct voices, filter words, vocabulary.
I use it mostly for that, it dont suggest additions to my text, only corrections

PREFACE

I was eavesdropping on a couple of monkeys; they were sitting at a bench on the street, shooting none sense at each other. The below writing is a satire of the riff-raff.

UNTITLED

In a far away country lived Yeshua, a hard-working citizen like everyone else.

He woke up early at 6 in the morning.
He did what everyone else did in the morning before leaving to work: he brushed his teeth, showered, ate breakfast, prepared his lunch.

At the evening, around 17 o’clock, he returned home.

The first thing he did — just like everyone else— was to turn on the TV, more specifically he watch the same program every evening— just like everyone else.

The program is called “Indoct O’clock”.

The whole program’s aim was to convey to the citizenry information on things that happened during the day from the country and abroad, as well as breaking-news.

The content Indoct O’clock fed its viewers with was designed to subconsciously seed some ideas in their mind.

The next day was Yeshua’s day off from work and he wasn’t prepared to let his sole day of not working to go to waste, so like everyone else he did the same thing that recurred to him like every other week on the same day: he called his one friend — how they referred to each other , although they were more of acquaintances— and they scheduled to met later that day.

The time passed. Yeshua was unable to control himself waiting until they met.

More time passed, they finally met.

They greeted each other , asked each other how they were , then the real discussion begun.

They discussed all the ideas seeded in their minds by Indoc O’clock, and if one of them missed some broadcasted idea ,the other would share the idea. They shared all of their assertions about the ideas that were broadcasted the previous day. They would compete with one another who was seeded first with Indoc O’clock’s ideas.

“Did you hear what Salomon said?”, asked Yeshua.

Salomon was Indoc O’clock’s political “analyst”.

“No. What did he say?”, replied the friend.
“He said the end of the world is near— atomic bombs are going to fly everywhere!?”, answered Yeshua.

>satire is about WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY
I immediately tune out

>>25039089
You can say that your introduction doesnt sound pretentious but it felt like it to me, I personally read it because I wanted to review it, but if I was a casual reader and the author starts flexing his literally curriculum unashamed, I wont keep reading it. I understand that it might tie in to something ahead in the story, but the first contact is the most important part in your book and its where people will drop your story.
>Its satire
Hence why I considered it might be the character writing something, your introduction have little to do with the plot from the start of the book, at least, it felt misplaced to me, if you love what you wrote, make it the character voice after she starts writing, not yours.

Or not, its your book, just giving my honest opinion

>>25039088
that's funny; i haven't been hanging around /wg/ at all lately, but i remember this from maybe a year ago.

>>25038973
this is rough; i'd suggest reading and better understanding the style you're trying for.

>>25038884
start your novel with an interesting scene, rather than a drawn out summary.

>>25039088
>>25039853
also, there are issues with almost every line. either overwritten, redundant, or straight nonsense.

>>25039802
To be clear, you're absolutely right about it being pretentious. But, since it's satirical, you're supposed to find it funny. "Why's this idiot writing fiction with such a low opinion of it?" It's also meant to cause intrigue: "What kind of story did someone who thinks like this write?" Vaguely a spoiler: since the author is also a character in any kind of fiction, it's also the initial stage of a character arc.
I see the value in your point. Know that you're far from alone in making them and likely far from the last to make them. But this story isn't meant for just anyone, and I'm afraid the intro could be a filtration mechanism.

Yesterday (1h) I wrote the first prose in my life besides me dreams, and today (2-3h) I wrote more. I have got 3 pages in small letters. I am doing this for fun (I started writing without a plot in mind), is there some any easy thing/tip I should know to make it more enretaining?

>>25039778
>satire is about "we live in a 'society' *wink wink*"
I immediately tune in

>>25040161
>is there some any easy thing/tip I should know to make it more enretaining?
If there were, don't you think there would be a whole lot more entertaining books out there?

>>25040163
To make the process entretaining. I write this for myself

>>25038751
Mine still gives me 6.5/10 and still underlines basically the same issues. Also note that following its advice will eventually turn your prose into bland slop.

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>>25038072
Wrote a short story and published a draft of it to my website recently, but I think with some editing I can turn it into something maybe worth actually publishing idk. Here's a paste of it below:

https://pastes.io/i-close-my

>>25040174
what are some of the reasons it scores you so low?

>>25039088
Terrible fantasyslop

>>25040183
Well, to summarize:
>Using a character moving from point a to point b as a sort of plot engine
>Prose too purple, describing everything with no focus
>Dialogue feels bureaucratic rather than 'alive'
>Writing is more vibe than substance, nothing grabs the reader

All of these are pretty true, not gonna lie.

>>25040201
i'm guessing you don't want to share an excerpt? how are you going to fix it? do you read much?

>>25040204
He is the kind of writer that thinks simplifying his writing means writing slop

>>25040168
Try making the book entertaining, that tends to work

>>25040204
I do read quite a bit. And no I'm not gonna share as of yet. To be fair it really is a very rough draft anyway, but it's nice to know what my natural tendencies are.

To fix it I'm gonna introduce (very minor) conflict early, for every character. That should fix most of it. Just not sure how exactly I want to do it yet. Also gonna cut it down by around 50%.

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>this is all it takes to break anon's new writing assistant

I'm going to write about dragons and you can't stop me. But my twist is they're griffins!

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Reminder that if you fed your work to an AI you're basically already published
Full paper: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2601.02671v1

>>25040224
The twist should be that the Dragons push leftist LGBT+ agendas among the human population in an attempt to have them all die out so they can go back to ruling the world. You can have human useful idiots as well if you want.
This is a joke, not a political statement, relax and have fun at your expense every now and then.

>>25040275
That's quite good. I'll incorporate it

>>25040267
Does that mean I get a share of profits from Google? They use my work to make money, therefore I can money off their work

Wexler's story isn't really putting on followers. And he's established. A new name would have no chance at all.

>>25040281
Don't be so selfish anon. If they paid you they couldn't afford to buy up all the RAM, water, power, etc. Maybe if you can convince your representatives to finance their ventures with your taxpayer money it'll be a different story.

Has there even been one book/excerpt that you people liked here?

>>25040267
Find my work then

>>25040642
All anyone needs is your first sentence and maybe some jailbreaking methods if you didn't use Grok

>>25040704
>tech nerds train their AI with my slop
>misuse commas, semi colons, em dashes, words incorrectly, spelling mistakes, incoherent plot ideas.
>The rabbit galloped between the vast open meadow

Do techies really want that in their AI writing?

>>25040706
Yes. It's data. They love that shit. But maybe your bad writing will poison the well and make them reconsider.

>>25040704
>they will find your novel after it already has become public
Oh wow!
Tell you what, I will even send you my fist sentence for you to try
>The testing chamber smelled of ozone and desperation—mostly hers.

>>25040704
Are you retarded?
Do you know the amount of tokens an entire novel would consume?
How large the databases for these LLMs are?

>>25040267
>one of the most popular fantasy books in history can be extracted out of LLM
Next you gonna tell me that you can make AI cite the bible

>>25040712
they scrape like 10+ petabytes of data, discarding maybe 99.9%
your novel is maybe 6.66 × 10-9 % of that initial data, and you hardly have a single line of unique writing anyway

>>25040740
Yeah, really amazing, groundbreaking stuff, isn't it?

>>25040744
That paper he quoted made me chuckle.
Its like saying that popular shit is easy to find in a LLM, thus your no-name, unpublished, anonymous work is also easy to find.
You can probably google every single sentence of harry potter and the philosopher's stone individually if you were autistic enough.

Its one of those AI boogey-man shit that don't help the real discussion

>>25040744
My novel is a work of art, scintillating from within its 0.00...0666%

>>25040751
Yeah it's more of an issue for copyright lawyers than writers

>>25040751
Brought to you by students subsidized by your tax dollars obtaining grants paid for by your tax dollars, by the way.

been looking through various creative threads and there's not any without extensive AI discourse
tech bros really won

>>25040922
Of course they did. They're the ones thinking they're the creative types and thinking they can create the next masterpiece using LLMs. Same with stocks, many techies say they created some super math module that'll let them always make the perfect bet to sell and buy.

Haven't seen said results from them yet.

20,000 words bros!

>>25040976
per day
right?

>>25040977
n-no...

>>25040978
It's over.

>>25040937
>of course tech bros won
>followed by bunches of cope and walking the statement back

>submit short story to small potatoes literary magazine paying $5 flat rate
>editor responds with a rejection two weeks later
>didn’t even spell my name properly in the rejection
What’re the betting odds they didn’t even read the story

>>25041132
Most likely they looked and saw you had a male name and a white last name and they just outright rejected it. If you want to be a troll you can always email asking for criticism and if they don't respond in a week, call the rag and politely ask them why it got rejected. If they just stonewall you, pull a Karen and ask to speak to the manager about it.

>>25041132
>paid submissions
lol
lmao

>>25041138
You misunderstand. I would be getting compensated $5 if published.
>>25041137
Maybe I should just do the old Asian name trick.
It’s funny how much that white guy got scolded for doing this but you look at any short story magazine and the contributions are disproportionately from Asians.

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I'm trying to add illustrations to my writings.

>>25038801
>>25038785
>>25038647
>>25038736
Congrats, you no longer own your manuscript. Even better now the "ai" will regurgitate your work to others and they will pretend it's theirs.
Good job.

>>25041141
>>25041137
Call yourself Maya Ali - can be black, indian and muslim.

>>25041383
Oh well. Techies always win. From VHS, burning, torrents, a.i. techbros always find a way. Cope litbitch

>>25041132
From what I've read from anons in this thread, I wouldnt publish it anywhere either
So far the only complete stories I've read coming from here are some self-centered, pseudo-intellectual bullshit that read like shit.
Truth is, you fucks think you are hemingway reborn and dont do a single second of reflection on your writing
You would rather blame cultural war than accept that your story is shit

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>write 14k words for character suicide manuscript
>abandon it for something completely different

Why are writers like this?

Is there a free, open source alternative to the Black list? I don't want to pay 25$ a month and then be ghosted 99% of the time.

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Can anyone rate or review this piece of writing? I gave up on it because the story is too tragic but I wonder if the style is okay?

>>25041766
this is not (i couldn't give) poetry feedback, but i could do without the exclamations. why all the STEM-adjacent vocabulary?

>>25041811
I think it's just the way I view the world through categories. If you think my writing is better for technical works then I'll just give up writing fiction and focus on non fiction instead. I really don't know if I should focus on a poetic culture or philosophical culture anything that tastes better in reading would be my decision but I don't know how to change my tastes.

>>25041596
Are you the 1950s guy?
Because you do walls of 'tell-dont-show' just like he did.

>20k words
>On chapter 6 out of 23 (planned).
>Planning to add plenty more on revision, due to a tendency of writing lean prose during drafting.
>should end up at 80-90k words.
Is this a good range for genre fiction?

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Writing Discord

- No smug hipster faggots

- No high school drama

- Be as spergy as you want

https://discord.gg/7PevNSyPHY

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How can I possibly write a nightmare dystopia more disturbing than our reality? An illegitimate president’s private army of thugs are intentionally disarming random, innocent people before assassinating them. I never expected such senseless violence from a tyrant.

>>25038072
Ok anons, what do you think of this totally original story?
https://pastebin.com/dfvvr0S3

>>25040224
I'm going to write about a knight slaying the princess and fucking the dragon.

>>25042010
Predictable, but I feel like a brainlet for not understanding the purpose of the three chicks in this fable, if you removed them it would end up in the same place.

>>(DEAD)
>- No high school drama
>- Be as spergy as you want
Pick one or better yet fuck off to >>>/soc/

>>25041976
I hated the Obama years too.

I'm writing a fantasy story in a deliberately extremely generic fantasy setting, but I am too shit a writer to make it work because any kind of attempt at taking it seriously just reads as farcical. Still, kind of enjoying myself.

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People often say that science fiction and fantasy are "incestuous" genres. Is the solution simply to take inspiration from works that are not science fiction or fantasy?

>>25042157
>any kind of attempt at taking it seriously just reads as farcical.
The trick is to have the characters take it seriously no matter how ridiculous it is. Watership Down is a good example, a drama story about rabbits sounds stupid, but it works because it is completely unironic.

>>25041976
>An illegitimate president
What a self-report that you hate democracy
>private army of thugs
ICE isn't private, its Government owned
>intentionally disarming random, innocent people before assassinating them.
You mean rioters trying to impede lawful acts, act violent when they are put under arrest and end up dead.
>I never expected such senseless violence
You live for this shit

>>25041976
If you resist arrest and reach for your gun, even if its to just make sure its there and you had no intention of pulling it, you're giving them free licence to shoot you and they will.

>>25042157
>Still, kind of enjoying myself.
This is the most important part.

>>25042160
I like to write fantasy like a detective thriller, because that's what I like.
But there is nothing wrong with writing honest-to-god fantasy, don't let shitposters get into your head

Can culture wars faggots keep their shit out of this thread please?
We already have resident incels, we don't need activists too.

If you're not into prose and care more about story you should be writing screenplays, not books. You should understand by now that you've got just as much (little) of a chance of "making it" in TV/film as you do in publishing.

>>25042309
What if we are writing about it?

>>25042311
Idk anon, some of the texts anons post here are full of prose, yet have utter shit plots and I doze off immediately.

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Finished a first draft of a short story about a man being stuck in a timeloop while driving up a mountain road, and being unable to leave his car. Short stuff, about 8k words.

I'll polish it up a bit and maybe put it through an LLM to post it here.

>>25042436
just show us the story anon, skip the LLM. Do you want to write a good story yourself or don't you? Anyone could ask GPT to tell us a story, there's a reason we're still reading human made stuff

>>25042507
>just show us the story anon
>WOW SO MANY GRAMMAR MISTAKES, KILL YOURSELF ANON
Let him cook

>>25042436
Wow that sounds really boring I can't wait

>>25042436
I want to read it anon, send it to us.

I wrote 3000 words today
Am I god?

>>25042436
>I'll polish it up a bit and maybe put it through an LLM to post it here.
Please don't. I'm not an AI hater but they make your writing bland. Don't use Microsoft Word's suggestions either. Idiosyncrasies make writing stand out.

>>25042507
It's not written in english

>>25042587
based

>>25042587
lmao

>>25042587
lmao I take back what I said then

>>25042328
The balanced writer sees the value in both

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Hello team, sci-fi anon back again with another chapter. I don't want to influence your opinion of it in some way, so I'll just leave it and ask at what point you stopped reading.

https://rentry.co/uf69uoaa

>>25042969
>40 word opening sentence
Right there. It's like you guys are incapable of grabbing readers.

>>25042969
What I can tell you is to re-read your writing aloud.
Plenty of easily caught errors in there.
>The problem with the modular construction of the colony on Venus was the same problem for Orleander now, as it might be for some other invader in the future, and that was simply that the bridges which connected the modular platforms became obvious and dangerous choke-points in times of conflict.

Should be something like:

>The modular construction of the colony presented the problem that Orleander must now face, the bridges that connected the platforms were obvious choke-points.

Cut down words, modular repeats twice in the same sentence, I imagine that the colony is Venus, so there is no need to say that its Venus.

>‘Champion,’ the archival brother said, clasping at the book in his hands and nearly working himself to tears with fear. ‘I have a daughter. She is only eight. If…’ The Son of Mirunus and the Prince of the Anaxi extended a silencing hand and found the elder’s shoulder.

Can be

>‘Champion,’ the archival brother held back tears as he clasped the book. 'I have a daughter. She is only eight. If—' Orleander extended a hand over the elder's shoulders.

Too wordy, "The Son of Mirunus and the Prince of the Anaxi" is immense real estate. The reader can infer that the extended hand was to comfort the elder, don't need to explain it.

>In this moment, along this corridor, the Son of Mirunus dispatched some raider, whose name was Eli and whose family would never hear his laughter again.

Trade for

>Along the corridor a raider blocked his path. His death barely registered under Orleander determined stride.

We really, really don't need to know about the raider identity.

There is too many examples to quote one by one here (and also I am too lazy to do it)
But essentially, try to cut down words, you are over-writing a lot.

>>25043029
Valid. I think some of those stupid mistakes are just down to my being pretty tired, although I'm going to keep the epithets. Yeah, I'll probably cut down some words on the rewrite, although I typically add things. Did it capture a sort of heroic vibe for you, at least?

>>25042969
>https://rentry.co/uf69uoaa
>The problem with the modular construction of the colony on Venus was the same problem for Orleander now, as it might be for some other invader in the future, and that was simply that the bridges which connected the modular platforms became obvious and dangerous choke-points in times of conflict.

Stopped reading at
>The problem with the modular construction of the colony on Venus was the same problem for Orleander
Why do you have the NEED to explain shit? Have Orelander get lost or some other shit. Hell even a comment seeing a construction worker seal up some shit on Venus would be better.

I know this place loves to meme but you really need to learn "Show don't Tell"

>>25043029
every single one of your suggestions has grammatical issues, sometimes multiple
impressive

>>25043037
2 other people have mentioned this line here, so I'll highlight it for change.

>>25043038
Ok

>>25043037
He isn't the first nor will be the last poster in this thread to suffer a serious case of 'Tell don't Show'.
I read 100% of the writing that gets posted here, and practically all of them have wordy paragraphs explaining shit.

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What do you guys think?

>>25043061
Too many WHAT?

>>25043061
What a time we live in.
I don't know if this is just you being contemporary to a period piece, or you are just racist.

>>25043061
I see nothing wrong with it, aside from too many instances of the word Chinamen.

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>>25043086
I found a lot wrong with it
>George inspected the pickaxe
>George inspected the shovel
>blatant racism calling the Chinese character "John"
This is too toxic and problematic.

>>25042969
I would say your prose could use some ironing out. I don't want to just say "purple prose," so here are some examples to give you an idea:

>Downstairs, the screams of skirmish raged through the time-honoured halls, and following that, the spraying of blood and the soaking of steps.

Why is it at this very moment that it needs to be communicated to the reader that the halls are time-honored? In my opinion, it doesn't enhance or meaningfully contrast with the rest of the sentence in a strong way. I haven't read the other chapters but I imagine you've either already said this, or if not, you can surely find a better moment to do so, so that this sentence can be tightened up.

>his bare feet were as lithe and silent as a gliding mountain cat.

Possibly just personal taste, but I feel like "catlike" communicates the same thing more quickly.

>and that warning in his head rang out like a grim tocsin.

Again, it's the time my eyes spend reading this that took me out of it.

I think the advice I would give you is this: pay careful attention to the order and pacing of information hitting the readers' eyes. If there is something exciting happening, analogies and long descriptions are going to be an obstacle for readers who naturally are trying to get into the rapidity of the action. Even if you are keeping the prose simple, be sure that the information and details you are including fit the tempo. That's not to say you should only include details about the raw action and no attempt at artistry in your prose at all, it's just that your artistry would be better expressed in sharpness of your word choice and the efficiency of your turns of phrase.

A better place for detailed descriptions is the space between dialogue beats; basically, if done carefully, the time the readers eyes spend on the words can actually kind of simulate the time spent in thought by the character. Example:

>"It sounds like you had fun with her today," she said.
> I nodded, and took another sip of my drink. "I did," I said, still staring up at the clouds, illuminated by the evening's golden light. I couldn't bring myself to look at her face just yet. Yada yada yada rest of the paragraph internal monologue whatever

Here's the same detail included in a much more visceral and pressing context, where in my opinion, it really could be left out:

>I misjudged. My timing was off. His blade shot straight into the flesh of my forearm, illuminated by the evening's golden light. It was like I could feel the nerves being cleaved from my muscle, but I had to keep focus. I staggered back, yada yada example over

idk these examples are kind of contrived but I hope you can at least sort of understand what I'm gesturing at here. Basically, the level of detail and the pace of the details are knobs you should be purposeful in turning, just like how cinematographers have to be purposeful when panning between objects or adjusting the depth of focus in their shots.

>>25043035
NTA but its worth thinking about when and where you want to establish this information. Take epithets, for example, which you want to keep because you want the story to have a heroic vibe. Do you think they serve their purpose better when setting the state for heroic action/in the aftermath of something stunning, or inserted after a bit of dialogue that is shorter than the actual epithet?

>>25043218
Yeah, good advice, it's only a first draft, so I'll have plenty of opportunities to iron this out and cut those longer sentences. It's funny how the points which people have pointed out are mostly the points which I was either most pleased with or least pleased with, but the points that I'm ambivalent about, no one else notices. Strange.

>>25043247
I'm trying my best, but it's tricky to slip epithets in at all without it sounding clunky.

>>25039126
See this advice is interesting because I think it is good for 3rd person novels, but for something like Ishiguro's work, with an unreliable 1st person perspective, the interest comes from the way the long summaries are presented, with key info being left out or focused on

I think 1st person novels have a different playbook,

>>25043711
Show dont tell is universal, comparing that exposition wall to ishiguro is almost offensive

>>25043705
good luck anon you've got this

I like a short chapter. I think 1000-1500 words is kind of my sweetspot for a scene. I do NOT understand how George Martin has 4000 word count average and some as high as 10k words on a single chapter.

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>Claude Prompt:
Be brutal. Be free to criticize me freely. Act like a real critic.

Review the first chapter of my novel.

>Result
Am I gonna make it?

>>25044083
That's pretty helpful

What kind of thing can I write that I can post somewhere and get a bit of readership?
I should have been writing for the last decade but it always seemed so futile. I really have to just do it, but need some motivation or at least a target audience to write for.

>>25043061
you used the n-word

>>25044161
wng might be more your alley if you want a quick readership

>>25044161
Just find something with a lot of readers and then copy it in your own words

>>25044161
there are lots of trashy pulp niches to write for that will get you instant readers, smut and fanfic the most accessible, but if you don't like any of them it's not really advisable to write what you aren't passionate about

Hello, new here. Also, ESL. I'm writing this passage and I'm wondering if it's totally incorrect or if it sounds bad to native speakers.

>I tried letting this sit in my head during my sleep, to see if words would come to me in my wake. But I still can't make much sense of what was shown to me.

ChatGPT told me to use "upon my wake" instead, for a more standard modern English. But I don't like it and told it to fuck off.

Do you guys really read this and think I'm talking about a funeral or some shit instead of waking up? I'll read you.

>>25044935
correct, chatgpt is not helping here; the whole line is awkward (very ESL). though it depends on the tone (the rest of it).

>>25044935
>my wake
Most refer to their time awake as their waking hours or their time awake.

>>25038144
Joseph Conrad was ESL and he wrote some of the best English stories. If you doubt your abilities, read more English literature.

People really should stop using AI as anything but a tool to help correct mistakes in grammar and maybe sentence structure. It just plains doesn't work, and adding "pls be honest" at the end of your prompt doesn't magically unlock its real little readerboy module.

>>25044353
>quick readership
any readership

>>25038647
:/
>>25040179
If you publish something online it voids FNASR. Publishers wont touch it now unless it goes viral like 50 Shades or The Martian.
>>25040640
No. Because most people here are literally "this is the first thing I've ever written in my life. I did no editing. Am I a genius?" And then they're shocked no one wants to read their sloppy brain farts.

>>25044972
nobody else wants to read it. not even if it's edited and be given genuine effort

ye i still need that collection of websites that help you make your own website.

>>25044935
>I tried letting this sit in my head during my sleep
letting it sit or sleeping on it.
>to me in my wake
upon awaking, when i awoke

>>25045173
no idea what you're talking about but i saw this the other day; some good pretentious shit. and you can use AI to one-shot a website nowadays if you arent entirely clueless.

>>25045193
>>25045173
>this
https://cargo.site/templates

>>25044972
We've been through this.
Its shit at feedback, and no one should take its assessment as accurate, but it is a great tool for grammar, sentence structure and vocabulary. It can also tell whether you are being a retard at prose because it compares your writing with the millions of sentences it has in its database.
It also offers a great mirror to bounce ideas at when you are stuck.

Is it okay to write a second edition?

>>25045385
Why? Nobody even read the first.

>>25044935
>upon my wake
RIP. We will miss you, fren.

If there was one piece of fanart for my story I'd be happy

>>25045479
let me see your story

>>25045479
Just tell chatGPT to generate something and pretend it was an adoring fan

Having an AI write a novel for you and express the things you want to express is harder than writing it yourself. The problem is context size, the AI forgets what happened earlier in the story and starts becoming weird as the number of words grows.

You can start generating the story in chunks, but then you have to make weird decisions about how the story should be structured. How many words (tokens) should be used to describe a specific scene? Too many and the AI can go on a sidequest that it won't know how to finish. Too few and it will write a detailed beginning for the scene, but midway through it goes "and they lived happily ever after."

The best use of AI is to rewrite parts of the story. You basically tell the AI what should happen in the scene and tell it to word it better. Basically, its best use is as an editing tool.

In its current form AI is not going to be replacing web novel authors. It's simply not good enough (effort required by a human) compared to an experienced web novel author vomiting out words. AI has a better shot at competing in the traditional or Amazon novel market because they put out a lot less content in a year.

>>25044935
You should write it as:
>I tried sleeping on it, but I still couldn't make much sense of what was shown to me.
"Sleeping on it" is an expression that communicates letting an idea sit in your head in hopes that you come up with a better one when you're well-rested.

If you want to keep the construction you used then go with:
>I tried letting the idea sit in my head during my sleep, to see if words would come to me in the morning, but I still can't (couldn't?) make much sense of what was shown to me.
Another option:
>I mulled over the idea at night, to see if words would come to me in the morning, but I still couldn't make much sense of what was shown to me. (or: I still couldn't wrap my head around what was shown to me.)

Idk I'm an ESL like me so it's up to you whether to trust me.

>>25044935
>wake: to rise from sleep
and
>wake: to view and mourn a corpse
Are two different things and no one is going to think you mean the second one because of context clues.

>>25044935
you could try "upon my awake" instead but that is also considered archaic English and if you are writing in a normal, modern way people are gonna go "erm this is wrong" because modern English is way simplified due to the amount of 3rd world, non-English speaking retards our countries have unfortunately taken in.

Anyone else working on the next Great American Novel?

ESLs fuck off.

Those who have had books published:

How was dealing with publishers? Any tips? I’m going to be sending submissions out to publishers soon.

Would I be better off modeling my LLM after Sanderson or Martin for writing my epic fantasy

>>25046265
Interesting, this implies that the philosopher is not a person.

>>25046290
>out to publishers
you mean agents?

>>25046242
Finished mine after five years. Dropping it here soon.

>Women exist mostly as functions
>[female character] is solid, but:
>She’s underused
>She exists mainly to react

>Other women are:
>Victims
>Foils
>Punchlines

>This isn’t a morality critique—it’s a craft issue. When half the population lacks agency, your world flattens.

I'm writing a novel about two the psychological descent of two men. It explores themes of broken masculinity. Fuck off.

>>25046604
who are you quoting?

>>25046807
I think its criticism he has received for his work.

>>25046954
It sounds like chat gpt

>>25046604
Nobody's got more experince with broken masculinity than you

>>25046604
is this that masterpiece i keep hearing about? sinner's descent?

>>25047249
No, that novella's plot isn't as vague as anon's, and the theme is simply "obsession"

>>25046604
What the fuck is even "broken masculinity"?
Incel sloppa?

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>>25047931
Something like that I guess

I remember some anon who posted his first chapter here, like two or three years ago, and asked for thoughts on it. It was supposedly a office drama. There was nothing particularly bad with his story, in fact it was quite relatable, but I was really tired and forced myself to read it just to give him a reply, which then I said at paragraph-length it was boring. I never saw him post here again, so the thought that my half-assed review convinced him to scrap the story haunts me to this day.

>>25048135
don't worry anon he is still working on it

>>25048135
That's weird I sleep like a baby knowing how many people I've saved from their delusions

>>25048135
"It's boring" is about the most useless thing you can say about someone's work but for a lot of work out there it's literally all there is to say

>>25038531
A while ago I came back from /wng/ because I couldn't cope with webslop prose; I tried pretending I was into it to fit in, but seeing every narrative topic chained to xianxia/litrpg concepts was the last straw: That general was created to free writers from the rants of litfic pseuds, but it just turned into a different monster altogether "How do you fit a system in here?" "Why do you use complicated words?" "Why didn't you write opmc? zero metagaming." It's maddening.

My idea was to monetize a little on rr-patreon before pulling and uploading full volumes on amazon. But the novels there, from themes to characters to pacing - it's all designed to make you dumber and more complacent with whatever they're feeding readers there. I would rather read a hundred out-of-context pastebins from /wg/ than ten 'rising stars' wn chapters, and I'm a huge fan of light novels myself. It's something that keeps poking your mind "If I'm reading western novels, why am I reading this monster girl evolution slop when I could be reading E.R. Burroughs?" it's voluntary torture.

You guys do zero drafts? I kept trying to chase perfection, but I feel like if I shit it all out, I can at least get a general structure and eventually craft a decent 1st draft.

On another note, what do you guys look for in prologues? Crafting one and made a sort of checklist that it
>Needs to contain vital information
>needs to set up future entities' events or twists
>No info dumps/Lore dumps

>>25048253
I do something of the sort where I forbid myself from editing any previous sentence than the one I'm writing on, so it forces me to keep pushing forward and not wasting energy tuning every little thing.
Also my prologue is cramped in a prophetical excerpt in my first chapter, I think it's better than a separate prologue chapter on itself if you can manage to shove the lore tidbits in with some glamour.

>>25048253
Most of /wg/ has indeed written zero drafts

>>25048234
I had the same idea to build a following through webnovels and make a transition to actual books. But the problem with that is that all your readers will be webnovel readers who won't read your non-slop work.

>>25048253
zero draft or vomit draft or whatever you want to call it was the only way I could go from writing stories to finishing stories. Unless your process already produces finished work then yes you should do a zero draft.

>On another note, what do you guys look for in prologues?
I don't. I assume you're writing fantasy if you're considering a prologue. In my opinion you should keep it short, sweet, and hooky. It should justify its place in the story and be more than simply setting up a macguffin. The advice I'm giving is to ask yourself whether you need a prologue in the first place. Unless a very obvious opening image has presented itself to you I'd just get straight into the story.

>>25048135
This place isn't good for discussing writing or giving feedback. It's more likely he got put off by the non-writing seethe troll than you, who gave genuine feedback.

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>>25048735
>writing something that can only be posted on 4chan
waste of time and energy

>>25048739
https://files.catbox.moe/p52k4o.pdf
6k pages of it, to be more precise. I tried publishing it in 2020 and later. It's apparently been saved on Anna's archive.

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>>25048745
>6205 pages
>scroll through it
>it's real
you mad bastard but I respect it. Mind telling me what it's about, or just the thought process behind writing something this long? Because let's face it I am not reading all of that.

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>>25048749
It started as a hobby, then I started browsing /pol/ and everything devolved into anti nigger, anti women and anti kike rants. Story of my life. Lul.

>>25048753
I have to ask. Is that really you? Or did you write these things because they're edgy and would be funny in screenshots on /pol/? Are you taking the piss out of those opinions or do you actually think them?
I'm asking, writer to writer, because I am absolutely sure that somebody capable of this kind of writing output should not waste their time on slop that appeals exclusively to people who get all their news from twitter screenshots on /pol/.

>>25048754
>re you taking the piss out of those opinions or do you actually think them?
I used to belive in them once. Not anymore. I'm just a dumb Rumanian ESL who tried becoming a writer.
Since I never stood a chance, I realized early that I couldn't catch up with natives, so I decided, instead, to just have some fun.
Plus, I've sent a death threat to a Romanian Jewish actress and was on the international and local news :P.

>>25048745
I wonder how many more pages this would be if it were properly formatted

>>25048761
>Since I never stood a chance, I realized early that I couldn't catch up with natives
I've been reading parts here and there. You stand a chance.
I'd implore you to use your talents for something worthwhile but that death threat isn't ideal.

Is 7500 words too long for a first chapter? Most of my other chapters so far are around that mark if a little longer, but I'm worried people will lose attention span and get bored before even getting through the first one.

>>25048745
>6k pages of racist ranting
I will be 100% honest here, you have some real issues to deal with, the fact that you gave up being a writer because you couldnt "catch up" is also a sign.
Ironically enough that colossal rant you gave was probably very good practicing for writing in english. But do get your head in order before you proceed, being a writer is knowing how to handle rejection, and you arent giving me the impression of having mental stability.

>>25048777
I guarantee you, you are overwriting by a lot
The fact that you have to ask is more concerning to me, not knowing that you are being prosaic is a very bad sign

>>25048787
How long should a chapter be roughly then in general? I've got no bearing for this kind of stuff, I just always hate it when I see an update for a story come out and the new chapter's only like 4k words, you know what I mean? I want more than that, and I thought that I should put more in a chapter because that's what I'd want

>>25048786
I gave up becoming a writer in English. But I'm considering actually starting the grind again. I got published 3 times in my native country, twice by a literary magazine and one by an online one. :P.
And yes, I've been diagnosed with the schizoid personality disorder, depression and narcisism.
This time I'm going to do it right :D. And no racist stuff. The right way. I swear, on G.

>>25048792
Also, I got btfo'd in 2021 and now history just started repeating itself :p
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/18328166#p18330553

After spending the last 10 years as a fanfic writer, I'm trying to write Original Fiction for a change. It's surprisingly difficult to write a protagonist that isn't a Self Insert.

I'm too boring a person to be a MC, so I'd rather not do that.

>>25048791
There isn't a right amount of words per chapter but when I see people writing 20 pages per chapter I can tell they are wasting prose with something wrong, like exposition dumps, too many long descriptions or useless dialogue
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