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Warriors of Sunset Lands Edition
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Just catching up with my publishing journey so far.
I got a pass from another agent with the full a few days ago, and felt down about it, so I started designing a cover in case I end up self publishing. Five minutes after I was finally happy with it, I got an email with another full request from a literary agent.
I guess the lesson is to have patience, and don’t give up.
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Whores love Whores I guess
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>>25064052
>Sunset Lands
that reminds me. how is through the darkest europe?
>The book is set in an alternate present in which Islamic countries form a prosperous, democratic and progressive First World, while underdeveloped Christian countries suffer from religious fanaticism.
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kek
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Yes, but it will heavily depend on what you want. Story and characters are forgettable. Setting is the real draw as it's a hard 1:1 inversion of real life. Basically "what if Islam had centuries to mellow out and cooperate with others instead of Christianity?" so now it's the dominant world power that even colonized the New World first while Europe still has monarchs bickering and religious extremism. Deus Vult, motherfucker.
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Anyone recommend this?
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What are the weirdest space operas?
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Just finished The Judging Eye. Cil-Aujas was pretty kino. Second Apocalypse is quickly becoming one of my favorites. Cleric was baller.
I think I might like all the PoN books more than The Judging Eye still though, I have to think on it a bit more.
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man this shit is unreadable
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I'm so reading it.
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The Centauri Device by M. John Harrison. And British space operas in general.
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>>25064052
>last book you've read
>current book you're reading
>next book you plan to read
>last
The first two Sister Alice books (Sister Alice; Brother Perfect) by R. Reed.
"Trials of Might and Courage" by Ty Johnston which is part of a short story/novella collection. I read "State of Love and Enmity" a couple months ago.
>current
"Mother Death" by R. Reed, the 3rd out of 4 Sister Alice books.
>next
I'll be finishing Sister Alice with "Baby's Fire" and I will be periodically reading stories out of that collection too. Six more to go.
I have been feeling a full completed novel or short series so I think I may check out Anubis Gates which has been on my e-reader for some time.
I keep trying to parse through "Stalking the Wild Pendulum" but it's above my head in many respects and non-sff either way.
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>last
Finished The Darkest Road by Guy Gavriel Kay. Fionavar Tapestry just sort of fizzled out, his later books are much better but the old trilogy isn't a bad read by any means.
>current
Shadowmarch by Tad Williams
>next book
Shadowplay by Tad Williams
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>Is this your first Tad Wiliams book
No, I've been going through his ouvre bit by bit for a couple years now. He's really solid. A reliably high-quality writer. It's odd that he's not more popular, but I guess that's just because he has no TV or movie adaptations
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His work has an old fashioned feel to it. Lots of very detailed descriptions of spaces and characters' experiences. Plots are slow and methodical, with many different threads gradually twined together. It can take two or even three books before the apparently different strands finally join up. Even when he first came onto the fantasy scene in the 1980s it wasn't really the style at the time, and he's not adapted with the times much. These days, fantasy books tend to be grittier and much faster paced with an emphasis on exciting scenes over slow, internal-experience scenes. Tad Williams seems to thrive on slower, internally focused scenes. Some of the most powerful, evocative descriptions he's written are a character alone in a strange place.
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He's managed to garner a lot of acclaim writing in his own style. Though most of it is from other authors rather than mainstream media. He's very much an author's author. GRRM and Robert Jordan both cited him as big influence on their major works.
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>>25065044
No, you simply prefer authors to be influenced by people who died generations before you were born, instead of by people who are still alive. There's no such thing as an author without authorial influences.
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I've been reading Mark Lawrence's books. The Prince of Thorns was rough, but I liked the style of it. The lesbian nun series afterwards was...fine? I guess? The girl and the mountain/whatever series after that was kinda weird and I noticed he kept praising some fan woman who runs a fan site for him for "all her help". Did the series pozzed then?
I finished the Library series and book 1 was pretty great, 2 was boring, and 3, 3 was what the fuck? Why did it suddenly have pre-ww2 soon-to-be-nazi germany? The fuck? It was like half the book following some girl named "Anne"
What went so wrong?
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>>25065249
get pozzed*
having to do a 3-step find-fucking-stars captcha to correct a typo is soulsucking
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>last
The Boats of the Glen Carrig
>current
Gardens of the Moon
>next
Whatever the next Malazan book is
I've given up on making sense of Gardens of the Moon and am just skimming it at this point so I can get to the ones people say are good.
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>>25064717
British sci-fi in general is pretty darn weird, what's up with the brits?
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space cats
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Romantasy for men
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>Right-Wing Star Trek
Which series comes closest to this?
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>>25065739
yes, like most right wing media it's surface-level fascism and violence but is actually about deeply rooted homosexuality, father worship, and a compulsion to be sexually dominated by the "other"
It ticks all your boxes. You are VERY welcome!
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You have to take it in stride and trust stuff will get explained later. Erickson doesn't ease you into the story, you have to gradually pick up on key elements of the setting as you go. If you're hoping that he slows down and explains what the fuck is going on, you're going to be disappointed.
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>40K is ackshually gay
Every time I think I've read the most retarded thing someone has ever posted on this thread, on this board, on this site, someone comes along and posts something even more retarded.
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Reread the first few stories of this.
The Gernsback Continuum is inspired, a great idea with good execution. Sterling goes on in his introduction about wanting this collection to give you a feel for what cyberpunk is about, and the shittiness of modern life juxtaposed with how the capital-F Future was supposed to be is a perfect start.
Snake Eyes is good, but I couldn't help but notice that it was written in '86, after Neuromancer had already had a USAF pilot wired into his aircraft before communicating with an AI and going crazy over it. Good read though, Maddox can write.
Rock On is lame. Worship of boomer rock, "back in my day/you kids don't know music" trash.
But I'm making this post to ask, genuinely and sincerely, why the FUCK is Tales of Houdini here? What is cyberpunk about it? What, even, is science fiction about it? Software was good, but not so good that you could shunt any old Rucker short story into a CYBERPUNK anthology and call it a day. Was "The Movement" such a tight knit group that they couldn't have put something fitting in it's place?
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Female and gay men tactics used to isolate men and make them fear that if they get too close to another man it will lower his social status and dating prospects. Probably the greatest tragedy of the modern era is men losing the ability to love a friend like a brother like they did in the ancient era
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Starship Troopers
>This fucker said Starship Troopers
Yes, unironically, if you were to think of "Right Wing Star Trek" and not be an absolute retard and just recommend the polar opposite (because "Right Wing Star Trek" is not a polar opposite, Star Wars is), it would be Starship Troopers. The move is also a great thing to watch but only after reading the book because the director of the film didn't read the book and desperately wanted to paint Heinlein as a Space Nazi... Because... Militarism = Fascism to him apparently.
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Allow me to break the rule of dialog and ask you a begging question. Men do enforce these things onto themselves, but why do they? You don't actually think that if women flipped or disappeared that that dynamic would still exist, do you?
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>recommend me a varied magic system
>not Sanderson autism
>think potter but more mature
Dresden Files by Jim Butcher. Pulpy Private Eye in early 2000s Chicago who is also a wizard and battles vampires and werewolves and fallen angels. The first few books are cliche and predictable but fun. Theres a lot of books but they are all quick reads. I read book one in an afternoon. Around few books in it gets really good. And they get progressively better.
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Does anyone know the name a book series where a guy gets isekaied into a demon minion who can't talk? He had a cute girl master of course. I think the author had a slavic name.
I read it around 2015 and I can't recall the name of it.
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Today, I brought my grandpa to the bookstore and got him some classic sci-fi books to read. Here's a pic I took. He was flipping through Dune.
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>>25064052
>be a no-name guy who contributed to some short story collections
>self-publish your own fantasy novel
>it kicks off, gets picked up by actual publishers and you start living the dream
How did Cahill do it? Is it because he's handsome?
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>>25066377
>of blood and fire
>of darkness of light
>of piss and shit
ENOUGH
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>How did Cahill do it? Is it because he's handsome?
>In the remote villages of southern Epheria, still reeling from the tragic loss of his brother, Calen Bryer prepares for The Proving—a test of courage and skill that not all survive.
>The Proving
Because it's YA slop, dummy.
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I finished The Pastel City. Beautiful prose and melancholy atmosphere, but I think what truly left an impression on me were the colours. It's not like other books don't have them, but for some reason Harrison made the places and colours truly come to life. Very interesting contrast with the general decay of the world. The idea that the ones fighting the barbarians became the barbarians themselves due to things happening at the end of the book was intriguing, although the unsettling notion (for the characters) ofharvesting of brainsfor total destruction instead of reconstruction was rather funny to me, because reconstruction (for military purposes) had been my first thought as well. I don't know whether this means the fellows of Viriconium are a bit backwards or self-destructive, while the Afternoon Peoples are closer to our way of thinking or not, but still.
Also, the two instances of meeting megafauna were great, first that big black creature and later the giant white sloth encountered in wilderness, both approaching the camp fire and finding nothing.
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>>25066397
What's interdasting about pic related as urban fantasy is that it's set on a fantasy world that naturally evolved to 1940s/50s level technology.
So all the fantasy stuff is out in the open, but it's not over the top plebbit-slop.
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Agreed. I am a huge fan of Guy Gavriel Kay’s later works but I actually dropped Fionavar around halfway through the second book. It’s the only one of his I just gave up on. It wasn’t even like it was awful. Just boring. His characters from the real world are aggressively uninteresting
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Bakker if written by Sanderson
>Uhhh guys? Sranc... yep, LOTS of Sranc coming our way!
>Oh... they have a Bashrag, we're not getting out of here alive are we?
>Heh, you wouldn't know this since you're new here wizard, but we have something even better than a Bashrag... we... well we have a Cleric!
>what could that Nonman possibly do against a horde of Sranc and Bashrag?
>Captain, if I may do the honors?
>Captain Kosoter smirks
>Oooohhh Cleric
>You called?
>Bashrag. Need dead. Now.
>Gotcha
>pure epicness ensues to the maximum awesomesauce
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>Last
Shadows Upon Time by Christopher Ruocchio.
Absolutely ass ending to the series, way too long, full of pointless plot beats, under-edited, relied too much on hard-hitting character moments when all the characters are ass, couldn't even resist stealing ideas from his betters to the very end. I honestly don't know what happened with the last two books. The first five were fine.
>Current
I'm about to start The Gap Into Madness: Chaos and Order by Stephen R. Donaldson. The first three were great so I'm looking forward to it.
>Next
Oracle by Michelle West
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Why didnt Kellhus kill Cnaiur here exactly? To be fair I found the idea of him killing him ridiculous in the first place, as if he wasnt just previously being watched by Conphas. And as if it wouldnt stir some trouble about whether there was a traitor and who could possibly kill a Scylvendi or whatever.
But even despite all that. There isnt really any reason. I guess the most I can imagine is that Cnauir's kneeling and asking Kellhus to kill him is a sign to Kellhus of Cnaiur giving himself up to him and not resisting anymore? Idk.
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>>25066910
Did you read Meddling Kids and like it so much you feel the need to defend it from my succinct and accurate criticism, or are you just going to brag about how you've spent more time on the anime website than me?
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The ending of The Pastel City remains one of my favorites, and I doubt anything will top it.Cromis is an utter wreck. He had to kill one former friend, who in turn had killed another, and he's utterly consumed by guilt. In front of him are a group of dancing future men from the past, and Tomb is there grinning and all but wagging his tail like a puppy that found a favorite toy, and it's hitting Cromis what exactly they've done, and the guy just fucking *snaps*. Our brave hero flees, sobbing and blubbering and utterly broken, from the victory he fought so hard for. He escapes back home, back to the start, and is absent for the end of the quest he himself began.The likes of GRRM and Abercrombie found their success in subverting and playing with expectations, but nothing quite tops what Harrison was able to do with Viriconium
If you can believe it A Storm of Wings is even better.
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>>25064107
I started Turtledove's World War series, first book was OK but the next few were a slog with him inserting sex scenes everywhere for no reason, nothing fucking happening, no story. Didn't finish.
Should I give him another chance?
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>>25066531
The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant is the best, especially if you have even a little bit of experience with modern takes of isekai. It feels like such a "response" to the slop they churn out these days that it's almost unbelievable it's nearly 50 years old.
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One of his other series, Mordant's Need, could also be described as isekai. A woman falls through a mirror to another world. I never see it mentioned but it is also as good as his other more famous series.
Tad Williams also has a great isekai type series: Otherland.
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Good, but not great. Like a lot of Cook there's misery and depression, but it's more uncomfortable as it's framed like a coming-of-age story.
So you have a character who is unique and special, very nearly to the point of being a Mary Sue, but they're just constantly getting shit on by life.
"you are a failure and I hate you"
"but watch me as i save all of us"
"you still suck ass, actually i hate you more now due to politics. fuck you."
and so on
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There is multi-world mmorpg type game at the core of the story and yes, initially it's just a game. But then most of the central characters get trapped inside it, and can die (very much like Sword Art) but the "game" becomes impossibly realistic, as if those worlds are actually real, and one of the central mysteries of the story is how and why.
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I read the first one recently. The protagonist spends the entire book doing nothing and watching events unfold around her. I'll never understand isekai, why can't the hero ever if not enjoy getting transported to another world then at least stop moping about wanting to go home instead of doing anything interesting?
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Let's be fair, he wasn't writing the books to fit some future niche genre. It's a very old series.
> The protagonist spends the entire book doing nothing and watching events unfold around her.
From what I remember that's intentional, the second book is basically about how she gets out of that funk and gets her shit together and realises how OP her powers are.
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>>25067129
The Dunyain are still far from perfect. Though their goal is to become a truly self-moving soul, no one has done this. Maybe Kellhus is the most advanced so far and is at a point where his instincts or subconsciousness is starting to see beyond the conditioning of his masters
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>>25067053
you're thinking of someone else, probably Dick Wolf like anon said, but I'll never pass up the chance to share that Gene Wolfe worked on how to mass produce Pringles and was almost surely the inspiration behind its mascot
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>>25066962
it may be that you just dislike it, but in my experience people who talk in terms of "filth" or "grim" when expressing their dislike of Tommy C. really mean "I don't want books that deal with uncomfortable subjects in a serious, narratively important way"
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>>25066860
Cause Kellhus is still an imperfect Dunyain, he occasionally feels tiny amounts of human love and compassion that prevent him from being a fully realized self-moving soul, although he is the closest one to it.
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>>25067272
He asked for an isekai, there are few of those in SFF and Thomas Covenant is the best of them.
Hope this helps.
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Does anyone have this edition of the Gormenghast series and if so are the illustrations presented well?
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I know there are plenty of novels that combine science fiction and mystery together (like Caves of Steel), but what are some that do the same with fantasy?
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Middle of the Warrior Prophet is seriously boring. You have no idea how quickly I've skimmed the Esmenet and Serwe chapters, even the Kellhus chapters are boring right now, because he basically has everything currently, and doesnt have to earn or figure anything out. Cnauir is a pathetic pussy right now who asked Kellhus to kill him, and everybody else is just a feature of the Holy War. I'm on the Achamian torture chapter, and im just preparing myself to roll my eyes at what elaborate ways Bakker will decide to describe torture, that I don't care for.
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>read aeronaut's windlass
>distinctive characterization moments
>amusing banter
>sensible worldbuilding
>doesn't feel the need to explain every detail
>plot is tracking down insurgents
>climax is airship battle with technologically justified tactics
>funny cats
>read sequel
>everyone is horny dutybot
>whining about feelings
>world designed to enable enemy attacks
>monologuing
>plot is turning international opinion against people nuking cities and publicly assaulting diplomats, by winning duels
>climax is humans winning swordfights against superhumans using dueling cliches
>retard cats
What happened?
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>>25064744
>Current
Just picked up There is no Anti-Memetics Division from the library.
>Next
Seven Surrenders
>Last
Too Like the Lightning
What a book. A story about politicking set in the 25th century, in a world where there are no nations, no wars, no borders, and no genders. People choose one of seven factions to be a part of when they come of age, or they choose to go without. 800 million flying cars make it possible to journey to the other side of the world in 4 hours.
The story is told by the world's most infamous criminal now-reformed, Mycroft Canner, who as punishment became a "Servicer" forbidden from owning anything and must do odd jobs for people just to earn food. He's somehow intimately familiar with the leaders of all seven factions, and while doing favors for them, gets first row seats to anything important and admission to the Esptein Castle.
As he bounces around, the world leaders investigate various schemes meant to unravel them, and we get to see two godlike characters who I assume will become more important in later books. They were a bit boring in this one.
The story was hard to follow along at times due to all the names of people from prior centuries, interspersed with philosophical tangents from Mycroft and other characters, and rants about society by Mycroft. By the end though, things finally started getting revealed and I'm eager to keep going.
The genderlessness was not what I expected, thankfully. Rather than being done for "equity" reasons, everyone is a "them" because the word "she" has become incredibly arousing, as has acknowledging anyone's gender at all. It's implied their clothing covers up enough to make everyone androgynous.
Rating: 4.5/5
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Are any of the Outlander/Deathland books good? I assume they're all pulp action/adventure, but are some better than others?
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>>25067678
>Don't judge a book by its cover
>Give this book a chance, it might be good
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For my friend who recommended void star and then south of the border, west of the sun - I just finished the latter. What should I be reading next? I have so much free time atm since I'm on vacation from work, so I'm spending 2+ hours a day drinking coffee at cafes and reading books
>regarding the book
I didn't remember that the main character just fucking cheated on every gf/wife that he had, lmfao. What an odd book. I can't say I empathize with the guy, but his wife did sound boring as all sin. I'm a single dude so it is hard to put myself in the mind of a married guy dating someone that is so subservient. Every woman that I meet or date is very aggressive and ambitious, be it in academia, fitness, or business. Maybe i'm just not attracted to the doormat types, but I think I could get over it if they were hot
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>>25067788
>The story was hard to follow along at times due to all the names of people from prior centuries, interspersed with philosophical tangents from Mycroft and other characters, and rants about society by Mycroft.
Is it Philosophically Serious enough? Might read if so.
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>>25067788
uhhhh woke?
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I don't know how serious it would need to be for you, but the characters had multiple philosophical discussions through the book at varying levels.
One character is just 13 years old, and when a friend dies, they have a discussion about death.
There's multiple more advanced discussions, though I can't remember any specific ones, since I wasn't really reading it for that. Mycroft brings up Voltaire a lot.
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>Narrator constantly and deliberately misgenders characters the entire book
I think you mean based?
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Esement is so pathetic. And predictable.
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>I don't know how serious it would need to be for you, but the characters had multiple philosophical discussions through the book at varying levels.
Im just trying to avoid the allure of pop philosophy, after actually reading philosophy myself after being unsatsisfied with the shallowness of philosophical discussion and content online that, of which I couldnt explain the problem with due to a lack of direct experience with philosophy.
I've come away with the idea, that Philosophy, more than any subject ever. Is about trying to RESOLVE problems, trying to explain concepts so they may be engaged with, not used. So that chaos can be collapsed into understanding.
This is different from science, which seeks to identify the chaos. This is different to math which seeks to "solve" the chaos and reduce it into something characterizable, usable.
This is why philosophy never feels "solved" and doesn't have the hollow claim to blind progress that science does.
Thats the abstract explanation. The direct explanation, is that im not just looking for quotes from philosophers. Infact to me, you dont even need to mention a single philosophers name to be philosophy. Pop Philosophy retards on youtube LOVE to just emptily quote what a philosopher said, as if its value comes from the fact that the philosopher said it, rather than the methods he employs to demonstrate its value.
So If theres a clear sense of method to the thought, a true train of thought, a proper through line, building on prior established statements, then to me thats enough philosophy to be philosophically serious.
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>>25067903
>I think you mean based?
The author literally says he misuses pronouns though, does that not mean his misgendering is wrong? Or is there some other way he "misuses" it.
Its pretty hard to "misuse" language. Because its arbirtary and socially conditioned. We break "language rules" all the fucking time on the internet and especially in the modern day, because theyre made up rules that just serve an implicitly socially enforced purpose.
So I have no idea what she could possibly mean by his "misuse" other than to imply that hes essentially committing a social taboo, which is an empty judgement.
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>>25067944
You should pick up a copy from your local library and see what you think. There definitely is philosopher name-dropping, but the discussions in the book satisfied me. If they don't satisfy you, you can return it.
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>>25067951
>Or is there some other way he "misuses" it?
Her saying "misuse" could be the way Mycroft decides if someone is a he or she. If he thinks someone doesn't deserve their biological sex for whatever reason, like a man that's too girly, he'll call them she, and vice versa.
Even if she meant him using pronouns at all is wrong, it doesn't come across that way in the book.
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>>25066397
Dresden is a hard sell because the first 2 books are really cliche and forgettable. Then it gets… okay. There is a point where it gets great but it’s only after you’re familiar with all the characters. And I don’t even remember how many books in that is. I’m not saying you should keep reading eventually the reader gets Stockholm syndrome kino with it. I don’t regret it. Not sure why I kept reading either.
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>>25067952
Well seems like an interesting book nonetheless, first book ive been convinced of, and you dont even know if its philosophical, but you convinced me by calling it such, even a bit. Ill trust your intuition, assuming its rare you call random books philosophical.
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>>25065682
Right wingers exist to keep us from Utopia, there for a right wing star trek could never exist.
What would it be about anyway? Riker beams down to a planet and complains about how different everyone, steals all the water then sets up a Coke plant?
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What made fantasy fans obsessed with white hair? Did Elric start it?
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Love these books
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>>25067976
>right wingers keep us from utopia
You’re thinking of Human nature. The only way your “utopia” exists is if you destroy human nature. Problem with that is you do that by getting rid of human spirit and choice. And when you can’t get rid of those you take human life. So then who is this utopia for? Obviously not humans.
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>>25067976
>What would it be about anyway?
Making an empire, pacifying aliens, everyone living with intact families with a hegemonic culture of Utopian abundance. Star Trek is way more right wing these days than it was in the past. If Star Trek was made today it would be like the new Star Trek series where even attempting to debate an action would end up with you in Jail. The left's idea of Utopia is much closer to the Cardassian Alliance where any objection to status quo and you disappear.
The only thing not right wing about Star Trek these days is the lack of pragmatism in exploiting alien species for strategic resources and not using the military enough.
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>>25068085
This.
The first trilogy could have been told in two books if you just ignore esmet's whore whining
>>25068052
lmao fucking retard. "I cant say fag therefor im being repressed" lmao
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>>25068086
Glad I did it too, the climax of "ummm... the consult is dead ackchually and it's the dunyain trying to bring back the No-God ackchually" was Rian Johnson tier dogshit and I'm glad I skipped it. Got as far as The White Luck Warrior before I got bored and crapped out.
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>>25068085
Unironically kind of true. I dont think I've ever deliberately read faster in a sort of transitory way loosely scurrying from word to word than when reading Bakker. Even when reading infinite Jest, I just gave up instead when he spent 10 pages describing some loser anxiously waiting for weed, just to proceed to follow that up with a chapter of the cringiest African American Vernacular English ever.
If I had to guess. Just like books such as Infinite Jest which will waste (Intelligentily and Sophisticated Immerse you into a unique world of interesting and deep characters. Do I have to spell out the sarcasm?) I think Bakker thinks its the smart and respectable thing to do, to spend entire pages telling you just how much Serwe loves Kellhus and thinks hes a God...just to repeat the exact same thing with Esement...and dont even get me started on how droning and incomprehensible the descriptions of war are. I know losers will go "BUT THATS JUST IT! THATS HOW WAR REALLY IS LIKE". And an entire book from the POV of a braindead individual is also just like: "......................................." shut the fuck up.
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yoooo this writing is fireee *fire emoji x2*
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>>25068086
>"Shit he is right..."
>"Quick make fun of him!!!"
I'd say the cope is real but you're obviously the same person as >>25068063, are you gonna sperg out about opinions on GRRM again?
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I see. So the Dunyain are legit psychos. Not Philosopher Monks. Just legit psychos.
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he is the thread sperg and I can say from experience that most of the stuff he likes is awful and most of the stuff he hates is actually pretty good. I'd recommend:
>thomas Covenant
>starshiptroopers
>basically anything he shits on
generally, if he likes it, its going to be bad.
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w-wuh wuh whaaaaat??? youre saying that w-w-women are equal to men??? what a revelation...
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>>25068190
what does that have to do with anything?
Cardassians are:
Racially homogeneous
Strictly controlling of their women
Governed by the military
Imperialist
This is everything you wanted in your "right wing star trek"
Why do right wingers keep doing mental gymnastics to pretend that art was made for them? Is it because they don't make any art themselves because the conservative mindset is inherently uncreative?
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yooo that chapter was a fire waste of time *fire emoji*
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>>25068213
>everyone who reads this shit points out how retarded Kelhaus is
He says the most surface level shit ever and swoons everybody, I genuinely could not fucking believe Esemenet, the supposedly smart woman, found his statement that "wow, you know, men want things just like women want things...infact men want food just like women, so they domesticate animals so they can have what they want...thats why they dominate women" to be eye opening, that she never thought about this before or arrived at a similar conclusion, she NEEDED kellhus to let her know.
Yeah I know thats the point of Kellhus' stupid powers, that none of these people ever introspect or self reflect, but she doesnt even have to go the step of "I hate myself because im filtering the world through mens desires..." she can just go "wow mens desires seem to be more important than my own, considering i was willing to slurp come for free at one point" kek ahahahahaha fuck, how simple.
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If he didn't like Dresden, what makes you think those will be any better?
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>>25068200
I read Thomas Covenant at the exact right time in my life and it was a haunting experience. Just the first 3 books because the ending was too good to continue. It was beautiful misery but somehow not nihilistic.
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>>25068260
Don't listen to overly critical people typically they're critical because "Men," Kellhus said, "cannot dominate their intellect, so they dominate, domesticate, the objects of their intellect. Be it Second Apocalypse Novels..."
"Or Women," she said breathlessly.
The air prickled with understanding.
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Thoughts on this book?
Preferrably not related to the author's gender and ethnicity
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>>25068280
Pros:
- Great premise (vrrpg isekai done right)
- Chock full of smart, interesting ideas and characters (except one)
- He's an excellent writer.
Cons:
- Massive pacing issues (first book is entirely setup)
- Even by Tad's usual standards it's overly long, the guy writes entire chapters when a few paragraphs would suffice
- I wanted to skip every section with the tribal african guy with the unpronounceable name and irritating language.
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>>25066375
>read urban fantasy to learn how to write urban fantasy
I wouldn’t. You should take from everything but urban fantasy. It’s urban first. Fantasy second. Steal ideas from Historical Fiction, smut, Science fiction, non fiction. Then apply a fantasy element to it.
>a story about Wall Street cut throats battling a dragon for control of the stock market
The dragon is a twist on a story and metaphor, not more than that.
>a witch managing a brothel in Brazil during the 60s
The story is about brothel management and is a period piece. The witch is a twist.
>a marine biologist studies a Kelpie in a pond in the park.
This one should be very technical. Just have fun with an autist learning about some disturbing creature meant to kill him.
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>>25067995
I was wondering why the Chinese are so obsessed with it. They seem to be the most into it from what I've seen.
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>>25068352
It's a common xanxia/wuxia trope that can mean several things. Something affected their cultivation/qi - transcendence or poisoned - or a major plot event changed them in some way - they lost their memory etc. It can also mean they are just very old. I don't know where the idea started though, it just seems to have evolved over time.
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>>25067995
It's the rarest natural hair color. Basically only albinos have white hair so it's seen as something weird, outlandish and exceptional. Pick whatever connotations you want.
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>>25066397
Kate Daniels has great worldbuilding but can be derailed by the romance C-plot at times, same goes for Hidden Legacy from the same authors.
Daniel Faust was OK and I liked his relationship with the demon mommy, but takes too long between books so I stopped caring.
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>>25068258
Night Watch is the shit, but English translation is kinda dry. It's also distinctly very RUSSIAN. I wish the two movies were better, though.
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>>25068449
movies are also weird because they cherry pick events from the entire series while also changing things. for example, non-readers will not know second movie's ending iswhat actually happens to anton at the end of the series.
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>>25068187
Don't @ me
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>>25068559
>pour your time, your energy, your very soul into a work of art
>expect it to change minds, challenge people, shock them into reflection, or even grand action
>take a look online...
>only people talking about you are doing it ironically
>only guy actually reading it is doing so on this phone
>he keeps sharing out-of-context passages for people to laugh at
>and that god damn ORANGE MAN is still in DC, on TV, over your IP, gonna need an IV...
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>>25068663
Depends on what you personally identify with
Picrel is literally Fate / Stay Night but with classic monsters / villains instead of heroes.
The Cosmere is the closest you'll get to Nasu's autistic level of detail to magic and abilities, but I see you already read it.
Penric and Desdemona is good for the whole "inexperienced but willful youth is guided, protected, and ultimately falls for very powerful magic lady" angle
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it's easy to write a lot when you're writing slop trash
spec fic readers are so retarded
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Okay so I know there's been a lot of Donaldson bashing from a certain schizo and he's going to be triggered again but I want to talk about this short story called Animal Lover (from Daughter of Regals and Other Tales), it's about this futuristic (set in 2011 lol) cyborg cop who goes to investiage a series of hunting accidents, assuming the private preserve is being used for man-on-man hunting action and discoversthey use genetically engineered animals that have been trained to use grenades, firearms and even mines against people and there's this absolutely crazy scene where the MC is caught between a howler monkey with an M-16 and a brown bear dual-wielding Magnumsand I just have to say this is the craziest shit I've read in a long time, like the kind of crazy you'd have to be 12 or younger to come up with but an adult to actually turn into a coherent story.
So guess what I'm saying is, I had a really good time with it.
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I liked the movie a lot. That werewolf guy from Harry Potter gave a great performance as the dad.
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>>25069132
What part of those other cultures do you want? The culture of female circumcision, the culture of honor killings? I'm honestly curious as to what it is that you wish to replace western civilization with.
Wait, no I'm not. This is /sffg/ and not /pol/, forget about it. Never bring your directionbrained shit here again.
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>>25068210
>Racially homogeneous
So are all the other races except the Federation, again, denoting the cold war era status quo.
>Strictly controlling of their women
You mean the Ferangii? Also you're wrong, The Cardassian Union does not acknowledge any differences between male and female Cardassians. The only difference they acknowledge is that females give birth and both races are sexually diamorphic. Also, unlike Ferangi woman, Cardassian women can hold jobs... and wear clothes... and leave their homes... as well as leave their home planet... All legally under the law, which again, Ferangii women cannot.
>Governed by the Military
ah, ah, ah... Again confusing them, but this time with the Klingon. The Cardassians are interesting because their military didn't take over, their intelligence agency did, once Cardassian was absolutely ruined Cardassia with conventional warfare to the point they destroyed their own food web and can no longer grow food on their home planet. Scarce resources and the new Cardassian distaste for outward conflict in fears that they would make their planet uninhabitable their nations continued their wars in subterfuge. People died on accident, Spy vs. Counter-Spy, Espionage, trucks of food going "missing" (aka food heists). This continued until they managed to develop a way to get off their planet.
>Imperialist
So is the Federation, or is America now no longer an Empire to you cause its convenient? Setting that meta-comment aside, Every major player in Star Trek is an Empire. The Federation is an Empire in everything but name and in representation, but the lines blur when the DMZ gets set up and the Federation makes some frankly Space America moves to outmaneuver the Cardassians and claim the DMZ as their space.
>This is everything you wanted in your "right wing star trek"
That isn't right wing Star Trek though, why would the protagonist race not be Human? Or is this you admitting that you don't see people who disagree with you politically as people? Hmmmm....
>Why do right wingers keep doing mental gymnastics to pretend that art was made for them? Is it because they don't make any art themselves because the conservative mindset is inherently uncreative?
I'm not going to really respond to this little "fuck-fuck" game you are trying to play after trouncing you so hard in a setting that, yet again, a leftist knows nothing about but pretends to know everything about. I'll always find this ability to be hypocritical hilarious, interesting that the whole "media literary" psyop died when people started figuring you that lefties, or at least internet ones, can't really dissect stories and culture that well.
Oh, and thank you for not being a sperg, I'm actually looking forward to your reply.
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>>25069296
Not the car specifically, but the conversation. Everything that happens is the imagination of one guy who commits suicide, so every character and everything that is said or thought is something that he's thinking in the hours leading up to him killing himself. (This gives the novel some juice because you can reread it and put the puzzle pieces together of the guy's life.)
That does explain why the conversation between the main character and her boyfriend is out of kilter. He's imagining how his life could have been different if he had asked her out the night they met, but he doesn't actually have any experience with women.
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>(This gives the novel some juice because you can reread it and put the puzzle pieces together of the guy's life.)
This was the best part of the movie. I think the actual themes, and message is poorly done, lacks depth. And I think the characters themselves lack depth because theres almost no characters, and learning about the guys life through his conversations, is more about sort of like experiencing a slideshow of his life, rather than getting to know him deeply. You learn the story beats.
But all of this doesnt make the movie bad, because the things you learn, and how you learn them, is very intersting, and provides almost enough depth just purely in the dialogues alone and what they reveal.
>He's imagining how his life could have been different if he had asked her out the night they met, but he doesn't actually have any experience with women.
Everybody puts it like this, and its not wrong per se. But the entire time hes talking to "her" hes actually talking to himself. Thats what makes it so interesting, she's just him tolerating himself, and indulging himself. Thats where the "depth" comes imo, a clash with himself. The most interesting conversation is when hes arguing with her about some famous critic bitch's "critical analysis" of a film, and he basically says "I just think I like it cuz it shows people should be empathetic" or something, and that contrasts with her elaborately paraphrasing a "critical" perspective based on that critic bitch's book.
Its like hes coming to head with a version of himself he had tried to be, but doesnt actually resonate with, but clearly wants to placate for some reason
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>>25069631
>Bakker AA
>Donaldson discussed often and frequently; non AA
Go back to whichever board your newfag ass came from since you can only discuss megapopular traditionally-published books from your favorite long-nose house.
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>>25069652
You get on the surface level that in order to fit in you use certain terms and phrases. But you're too obvious about it. You're using them wrong, and too frequently.
It should be a natural thing, not something you pepper in for clout.
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>>25069550
>Right Wing dictatorships
We aren't talking about dictatorships but what Utopia looks like to the most average and stereotypical political strawman of each side. Let's not sit here and pretend that the Left doesn't ride Iran and China like the Right rode Syria or Russia
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Pratchett is good if you can leave politics at the door and you have or understand britbong sensibilities. I wouldn't say his writing is timeless but there is a certain "old world childhood fable" to them that I find wholesome.
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>>25069980
I wouldn't really say he's bad, but I do think "forced" is an accurate description. There's a lot of clunky exposition dumps that only exist to set up a punchline. And the fact that there's a joke every two paragraphs inevitably means many jokes will bomb. So he ends up regularly going on whimsical spiels with no payoff, like someone describing a dream that was hilarious in their head.
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>>25068637
His eyebrows contain the power of hypergraphia. it's a heavy burden, but someone has to bear it.
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people always read too deeply into it, but the fact is writing is his job and he's not some super famous author with a money maker he can milk. he even wrote some warhammer books in recent years.