>>83785957
>>type
ESFP-T
>>What habit are you most ashamed of right now?
Too much intake of junk food and sugary beverages.
>>What's your biggest cope right now?
That the government is going to get less retarded.
>>What would your 18-year-old self think of you today?
She'd be over the moon to learn how good things will go.
>>Do you think you'll ever have sex? Yes/No (for foids: do you think you'll get true love)
Yes and Yes.
>>Worst failure moment in your life that would make a good green text.
Too many to narrow down; plus I'm going to bed.

>>83785988
>Going to bed
NOOO ESFP-T-chan you can't. I wanna hear funny stories.

>>83785988
>>83786002
Let her sleep chud.

>>83785957
>type
INTP
>What habit are you most ashamed of right now?
Gooning to trannys
>What's your biggest cope right now?
4chan. I use it to ignore reality.
>What would your 18-year-old self think of you today?
Wouldn't be surprised at all
>Do you think you'll ever have sex? Yes/No (for foids: do you think you'll get true love)
No
>Worst failure moment in your life that would make a good green text.
I told a girl I liked, I could eat 3 hamburgers at once so took 3 McDonald's burgers smashed them into a wad and ate them. She went "EW!" And laughed at me. Then for the rest of high school she called me "the trash bin".

Is Frieren INTP though? Wouldn't she be INFJ?

>>83786055
She is typed INTP 5W4

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Early bird gets the buckshot.

>>83785957
This presumably is not the OP that requested to bake.
Know what made me guess so?

>>type
INTJ IN(T) 583 5w6 sx/sp VLEF
>>What habit are you most ashamed of right now?
I got rid of psychological one this morning. The active imagination tribunal was very pleased with the SACRIFICE.
>>What's your biggest cope right now?
My anti-migraine meds.
>>What would your 18-year-old self think of you today?
"Oh NO... Oh, okay."
>>Worst failure moment in your life that would make a good green text.
>>83743925

>>83785418
>Not quite. Could be directionally correct, depending on what you mean.
>But it's more like releasing control, rather than applied effort.
Control release definitely takes at least meta-effort if that already counts as release.

>The thing that kills a symbol (in the negative sense)
Ok but a negative killing is only in perception when the improved symbol version seems less accessible for no differentiated reason to seem so, no?

Primitive's symbols are very accessible to undifferentiated approaches, but what we see with differentiation is just some scribbles. Meanwhile the undifferentiated would see crazy overcomplications even in simplified contents from the differentiated.
Actually, there's effectively no good symbolic-makings, because even a proper new symbol will be eventually found to be inaccessible for at least someone. Blame Jung on him not thinking this through.

>When the ego is willing to receive from a symbol, the symbol will revive itself. The symbol is not a product of the ego. The ego is the receiver
Ego does not have executive function just to throw it away just because. Actually, that's ego inflation to consider that the ego is so special that it has to be magically excluded.
Because holistic participation means EVERYTHING is participating.
We're not doing new age spirituality woo here.

>>83785957
Funnily enough Owls are dumb as shit while sheep dogs are at least average-tier in intelligence

>>83785957
>type
INTP
>Most shameful habit
Always has been procrastinating, always will be
>Biggest cope
4chan
>What would my 18 year old self think
pleasantly suprised, I guess. Things are still down the gutter but not as bad as when I was 18.
>Will you ever ahve sex
No. I will be almost totally alone forever, and will likely die alone.
>Worst failure
Failing basically everything in my sophomore year in highschool other than my regular grades. I was intelligent but that broke me.

>>83786145
you're an edgy fag.

Tell me how I know you're SEA

>hurr durr I'm... le psychotic!
ok retard

It's diarygirl doing it btw.

>type
INTP-T
>What habit are you most ashamed of right now?
nicotine addiction
>What's your biggest cope right now?
hoping all the indians will leave canada
>What would your 18-year-old self think of you today?
"seems about right"
>Do you think you'll ever have sex? Yes/No (for foids: do you think you'll get true love)
yeah
>Worst failure moment in your life that would make a good green text.
getting groomed on roblox in 2010

>>83786135
>>83786159
>>83786173
>>83786207
This is why i feel nothing when a pitbull rips off a baby's face. The entire human race deserves punishment for their crimes against the doge

>>83786285
>hoping all the indians will leave canada
That's racist. You have to support 20 million Indians moving in a year or you're pro-American and hate Canada.

Do yall actually believe in MBTI or do you just find it entertaining?

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>>83786243

Yap Yap!

>>83786371
Yeah, LMAO I "believe" in MBTI, I believe it exists and is a concept. Lol it's glorified astrology for nerds who think they're too smart for actual astrology.
It's peak Barnum/Forer effect. You read some vague word salad like "you sometimes struggle with details but have big ideas" or "you're logical but can be insensitive hurr" and your brain goes "holy shit that's literally me!!!" Same shit as horoscopes telling a room full of people "you have insecurities you've never told anyone" and everyone nods like "damn how did they know." Except MBTI dresses it up in fake jungian function stack cope so zoomers on /r9k/ and reddit can LARP as special snowflakes with "deep" personalities.

The 'vague word salad' you're quoting is the 16Personalities trash tier website shit not actual cognitive function theory.
Introverted Intuition (Ni) vs. Extroverted Sensing (Se) isn't about 'big ideas' vs 'details' it fucking a framework for how the brain prioritizes information processing. Is it a perfect 1:1 map of the human psyche? NO. But it's a useful heuristic for understanding why some people lead with logic (Thinking) and others lead with values (Feeling).

>>83786243
>It's diarygirl doing it btw
I'm curious to know why you think this at this point.

>>83786423
It's a troll just trying to drum up shit.
>>83786418
Actually, it's hilarious that you think moving from 16Personalities to 'Cognitive Functions' makes you an intellectual. You're just trading a mainstream horoscope for a 'deep-cut' one. Calling Ni/Se a 'framework for information processing' is just using pseudo-scientific jargon to mask the fact that Jungian typology has zero empirical backing. You're essentially defending the 'purity' of a 100-year-old theory that modern neuroscience doesn't even recognize. Leading with 'Thinking' vs 'Feeling' isn't a heuristic; it's a false dichotomy. Real human cognition is a messy, interconnected web, not a tidy little stack of four functions you can swap out like RAM sticks in a PC. You're not 'mapping the psyche,' you're just playing a more complex version of 'Which Hogwarts House Are You?' But sure, go off about your 'superior' Ni-dom processing. I'm sure it's very useful for winning imaginary arguments on the internet lol.

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>>83786466
> sure it's very useful for winning imaginary arguments on the internet lol.

Why would diarygirl do this if she hates gore?

>>83785957
intj
suicidal tendencies. they've gotten really bad. also self harm. i havent done it in about a year but it was bad last time.
18 year old me would genuinely off himself. our life is pathetic and we're everything we hated and never wanted to be. for example i am attracted to feet now. we used to hate that shit.
not again, no. i hate sex in the past but i had a big std scare and refuse to fuck since.
i guess best copy pasta would be i can't last more than 10 thrusts which is another reason i stopped fucking.

>>83786503
I have my own reason to believe
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNRAkYY5S/

Let's let the thread die for a few weeks in the hopes posting quality improves.

>>83785957
>type
Entj
>What habit are you most ashamed of right now?
Laziness, which just leads to spiraling into total despair.
>What's your biggest cope right now?
In the end, all the effort and suffering will have been worth it.
>What would your 18-year-old self think of you today?
Disappointed that I'm unmarried, don't run my own business, and am fat
>Do you think you'll ever have sex? Yes/No (for foids: do you think you'll get true love)
Yes and I already have (though I regret it)
>Worst failure moment in your life that would make a good green text.
I don't know, and I don't really feel like blog posting either beyond what I already have answered above.

NO! its SOPHIE!

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Its 100% diarygirl:
>The only time she's complained about gore it WASN'T her tripcode.

>She posted that she used to play with toy dogs by "smashing their skulls" and linked video about toy dogs bloody and killed in a pretend columbine:
https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/83715155/#q83736263

>The only time she's specifically mentioned gore, she said:
"graze the gnostics garden ,grafiee the gospl with gore aand WATCH as senderman snd you into a Shizophrnic simulation gougineging your 1% gist of genuinity"
>Which translates to: "Forget your morals and your sense of self. I'm going to ruin everything you find holy and watch GORE until you lose your mind in a digital nightmare until the tiny bit of 'real' personality you have left is gone."
https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/83715155/#q83728562

>Finally, diarygirl has actually posted gore (albiet pics of herself cutting)
tl:dr
Diarygirl admited she was gonna post gore, then she post about wanted to smash the skulls of toy dogs. Case closed.

>>83785957
Can someone explain why INFP has an egg
I don't get it

Have you ever thought about building a robot wife and giving her the keys to your chastity cage?

>>83786644
It's a plain no frills slightly depressing food ironically called "sunny side up". It vibes with the INFP: plain no frills slightly depressing person who at best could only pretend to be happy.

>>83786681
I guess but I feel like it makes less sense than the others
Almost feels like it fits ISFJ better
The INFP food should be antidepressants lol

I don't think Robots, like Chat GPT are actually capable of dominating, like in a psychological way because you have to give them permission for everything. Sure they could kill the whole world and destroy everything, but sexual domination is a domain that a character bot can never really do

>>83786371
The idea was entertaining for quite a lengthy amount of time, at least 10+ whole years of my life. However I decided to eventually drop it for higher faithfulness to Jung's original typology and have helped develop the alternative theories people are using today ITT, along with alll the other Jungians who brought up various issues in the modern systems.
So currently, the answer would be "no, but Jung himself was onto something for real and you can build a working theory of types staying as close as possible to the original text", it's not just for fun anymore, now it's a settled valid idea for me.
It is very evident to me that there are really people who habitually fit into either extraversion/introversion, and they mainly go by one rational function, Thinking or Feeling, and one irrational function, Sensation and Intuition. It also evident enough that one function is the actual guiding principle: for some people their reality is identical to Thinking, for others it's Intuition etc. at least from the Ego standpoint.

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Incredibly bizarre shit is going on

Also
>but they aren't real dichotomies!
Objective(as in, faithful to something external as far as humanly possible) and Subjective(read: "subjective factor" to understand exactly how the term is used here though) are, and that's what extraverts and introverts are in a nutshell.

The conflict between Thinking and Feeling is the most archetypal shit ever. Read something, watch some anime, idfk it's everywhere.
I summon Ben Shapiro in attack position and activate his effect: "Facts don't care about your feelings", and conversely feelings wouldn't care about facts. I summon the concept of Eros and Logos. Genuinely the most obvious dichotomy ever here.

Sensation and Intuition require more explanation I guess.
I see it this way: when you have a hunch about something, that's a mental image that you try to "perceive", and to do that you have to temporarily replace the image received from sensory perception instead, making the former the conscious content of your psyche while the latter is thrown in the background(despite the fact that your senses are still working).
And if you want to grasp at reality as is right now, you chase away the "fantasy" and just literally observe it through your senses, making sure the image you receive in your psyche becomes identical with sense perception(as far as possible still).

If the objection is something more like
>but no one is exclusively introverted or a thinker!
That's true and Jung himself said so. The type is both about psychological habits, and in a way also a construct of the Ego. There is such a thing as a "conscious standpoint" directed by your will, showing a higher degree of differentiation, and the more accidental/unconscious factors showing more primitive undifferentiated instincts.

Don't know if the skeptical anon will even bother changing his mind, but hey I get the chance to write this to whoever is interested.

PS: sensation isn't always concrete even if it's easy to be fooled into thinking that. "Aesthetics" in the common sense of the word are abstract sensation, very much still related to the sensory but in a more ideational way as opposed to "merely reproducing reality"(or the apprioriate subjective impression attached to it) way. There is a will behind it, a selectiveness that's not accidental anymore, the typical signs of a differentiated function. The biggest mistake MBTI does is forgetting this aspect of Sensation, which is rather attractive both to the Sensation types themselves, and Intuitoids can only wish they had that since their sensation function sucks cocks by definition.

>>83787794
Cock and balls that's what this all boils down to.

>>83787850
Go back being dead, Freud.
Though, actually you have to thank both Freud and Adler for Psychological Types. Jung got his inspiration specifically from seeing both of their psychologies, both the dicks and the power complexes, as valid in a very introverted thinkoid sense, as in internally consistent and logically correct.

>watch an anime
>See the credits are nothing but Korean names
I feel like I was taken for ride. I was robbed of my dignity as a man.

>>83787872
Frued gave the best explanation for foot fetishes tho. Theyre a guy desperately trying to find a penis on a woman, so they put it on the feet.

Animes are such bullshit.
A bunch of women living together that are after the same man and they're not at each other's throat causing shit tons of drama every day. Give me a break.

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>>83787903
Oh there are people who are indeed trying to look for cocks in women, but have you considered the fact I'm NOT A GAY COCK-MONGLING FAGGOT like YOUR INTROVERTED FEELOID ASS, eh Freud? Sticking magical rods into magical keyholes to fill cute girls with magic is more of my style you see. Have I already told you the magician and its trickster subtype are my favorite archetypes by the way?

>>83787920
Maybe don't watch harem shit then.
t. magical girl enjoyer, either no men in sight(which means /u/-coded as fuck), or straight shoujo romance

Women living together and working together for the sake of one man is natural through all of human history though. It's the reason chad gets all the girls and you're a perpetual loser on r9k

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>>83787794
But are aesthetics REALLY strictly tied to sensation or the 4 functions per se?
It seems to me that any function's contents could very well be aesthetically rated based around (not not exclusively) the function's principles.

>There is a will behind it, a selectiveness that's not accidental anymore,
Entelechy per se fits this description, isn't tied to any function, would explain what the aesthetic sense of the person is based on after the content differentiations are done.
>the typical signs of a differentiated function

>>83787518
Typology?

>>83788146
>But are aesthetics REALLY strictly tied to sensation or the 4 functions per se?
Actually not. Common way to use the word is related to sensory aesthetics but that is not the only form. Though I don't have a strict category of aesthetics per function, or attitude-type.

>Typology?
It's Jungian because muh enantiodromia of course.

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Speaking of types and magical grills...

>IN(T) magical fairy pet + magical girl rolled into one
>pretty unique character both in terms of typing and her technically having two roles that are often separate
>also generally the most developed in terms of character progression
>community reaction to her is mostly negative, they tend to find her morally questionable, some claim she ruined the show purely by being in it, and I even heard her being called more villainous than the actual villains
.. so I guess that counts as her type bering written properly.
Eh seriously though, the problem is that she showed her shadow sensation/feeling quite blatantly and even after her redemption arc, her sense of right and wrong is huh...the undifferentiated feeling kind. Seriously she suggested kidnapping Santa Claus, what the fuck.

>>83785957
>type
INFJ-A
>What habit are you most ashamed of right now?
That's hard to say, I don't really think of things as habits and the moment I stop liking a "habit", I just stop.
I probably have some mental habits, habitual perspectives, you could say, that cause problems. But, I wouldn't say I'm ashamed of them.
>What's your biggest cope right now?
I'm not one for copes. To me, coping is a release of mental tension through some sort of action. Which just means whatever causes the mental tension remains the same, now you're just ignorant to it.
That's gay.
>What would your 18-year-old self think of you today?
"Why'd we stop playing video games for 18 hours a day and smoking weed?!?"
Prolly.
>Do you think you'll ever have sex? Yes/No (for foids: do you think you'll get true love)
Sure, why not? It's not like it's some big sekret klub that's mega gatekept. It's just sex.
Even literal retards have sex. Ever been to an assisted living house for people with intellectual disabilities?
They're fucking all the time.
>Worst failure moment in your life that would make a good green text.
This is another one I don't really get. I don't think at things as failures. I don't look at the world and my interaction(s) with it like a grade school assignment I'm handing into the teacher.
It's a ..... How would I say that.. What I mean is that the process of action is far more important than whatever outcome happens or doesn't.

>Ever been to an assisted living house for people with intellectual disabilities?
Woaaaaah INFJ-A dont overshare!

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>take the Moore-based archetype test
>all scales are in the active shadow form
Thankfully I'm a sensible theory enjoyer, not an internet test [sic!] enjoyer, so I can be in denial of all of it in a Moore-approved way.
Funny thing is I think that result is a direct translation of getting ENFJ-A result on 16p.
Also having to make an account for the results is very gay but at least it's not paywalled.
I'll take 16p as an experiment, since it's a big 5 workplace persona test anyway.
...
Yup, ENFJ-A.
>MY SCHEDULED MODUS OPERANDI? WALK UP TO A POLICE OFFICER. THANK HIM FOR HIS HARD WORK. SLAP HIS ASS. HAVE US ORGANIZE A COCAINE PARTY, FOR THE COMMUNITY.
Yup-yup, yup.
Anyhow, this brought something actually good I ought to process.

>>83788429
>>community reaction to her is mostly negative, they tend to find her morally questionable, some claim she ruined the show purely by being in it, and I even heard her being called more villainous than the actual villains
If she were a main character like Homura (IN(T)) everyone would've liked her easily (possibly).
Sounds absolutely awkward so I guess I WILL have to watch Kimi to Idol at some point, putting it into my currently empty backlog.

>>83788878
I have a retarded cousin lmao
I've seen some shit

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>>83788879
>If she were a main character like Homura (IN(T)) everyone would've liked her easily (possibly).
Not sure. She isn't part of the main trio but she does get a lot of focus and a character arc.
Homura is certainly more likeable though, and her typing was pretty much what I also guessed.

Hes neeeeeeeeeeever had sex you guys

>>83788902
Thank god, his genes probably have inferior thinking too.

INFJ-A is a bitchless sexless virgin, is he that ugly?

>type
INFP
>What habit are you most ashamed of right now?
overthinking/ruminating
>What's your biggest cope right now?
that the people who bullied me live shittier lives than me so i shouldn't be so upset
>What would your 18-year-old self think of you today?
ashamed but also proud i hope
>Do you think you'll ever have sex? Yes/No (for foids: do you think you'll get true love)
i don't think i'll ever find true love, it's a nice fantasy at least
>Worst failure moment in your life that would make a good green text.
too many to think of at the top of my head

>>83788910
He cant think his way into a bath no way he gonna think into a pussy

>>83788912
yes that is why he Eroleplays as alastor with underage little girls

You're just mad I eroleplayed with someone that isn't (u)
mad jelly

>>83788896
You stuck around late-night to hear the sloppy sex the wall over? Riiiiiight

>>83788961
Im so jealous this hairy slimy hunk paid a prostitute to assist in his little 4chan thread drama, like a mama, mama hop on call

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>>83785957
>type
ISTP
>What habit are you most ashamed of right now?
consuming porn and being a lazy nigger
>What's your biggest cope right now?
Everything will get better
>What would your 18-year-old self think of you today?
I'm 19, I probably would think the same about me
>Do you think you'll ever have sex? Yes/No (for foids: do you think you'll get true love)
I could have sex easily if I took care of myself and grew some balls
>Worst failure moment in your life that would make a good green text.
>be me
>be with friends in a party
>we start drinking, all goes well
>my friend starts giving me more alcohol, already feeling pretty drunk
>when we finished the first bottle, my other friend brings out another bottle
>we start smashing it, it was so good, it tasted like candy
>I probably smashed 200ml of that bottle
>feeling alright at that point
>then it kicks off
>everything goes black, then when I wake up, I'm in the floor surrounded by 5-7 people yelling about calling an ambulance
>I'm sitting on my own vomit and the only thing I can do is puke even more
>One foid I have next to me is yelling at me trying to wake me up because I kept getting out of reality
>black out again
>suddenly I'm on a train station with my friends again, sitting, smelling like shit and passer by's are laughing at me with how bad I smell
>I feel a lot better so I reach my pocket for a cigarette
>It's all mush
>go back home in train, wake up next day with the worst hung over of my life
This was the time where my life really hit a max low, since then I don't drink as often and as regularly and I'm trying to do better with my life, I'm going to start doing exercise and try to do my first pull up because I am such a fat nigger and I ate more than what I had to eat on these holidays lole

>>83788962
LATE NIGHT?? LOL
You think the people who will walk behind a couch and literally shit on the floor while there's people sitting on the couch wait until late night to have sex? You think they do it BEHIND CLOSED DOORS?
Any time you walk into a room there's a 70% chance you'll see someone shitting or fucking.
You've never met a real retard. You should count yourself lucky.
>>83788974
I paid her in discord gift cards and told her DO NOT REDEEM SIR
DO NOT REDEEM
That's why she deleted me and got so mad.

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My overcompensated Sensation is very amused with thread juxtaposition between primitive sex discussions and the animal abuse material spam, and my barely differentiated Feeling is displeased with y'all!

>>83787782
>"Facts don't care about your feelings", and conversely feelings wouldn't care about facts. I summon the concept of Eros and Logos. Genuinely the most obvious dichotomy ever here.
If entelechy of one changes the contents of reality and thus the entelechy possibility of the other, the other will absolutely care though.

In practical human interaction sense, too.
I think this is fun to bring up.

>be INFJ-A
>be intellectually immobilized
>be chronic 4channer refreshing threads like crypto trends
>roleplay as edgy teenage girls tulpa oc
>entire legacy lives on 4chan
>has accumulated 300k settlement in (you)s
>hairy and slimy
>ugly boy no sex
>i sense a crooked nose also
>weird fixation with minor mind manipulation
But!
>this minor want me so major

> You've never met a real retard
well! then, shake my hand, retard

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I smgile evertim

mel seething she's old

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>>83788879
>Sounds absolutely awkward so I guess I WILL have to watch Kimi to Idol at some point, putting it into my currently empty backlog.
Oh and, replying again since I'd like to add at least a few thoughts on the show now that's fully over, just to not give inflated expectations from my general appreciation of the genre.

>the good
Moment-to-moment content is fun, each episode is easy to enjoy individually, it is very cute as you would expect from combining magical girls and idols together, you get some cuteception for sure.
The protagonist image song (egao no yunizon/smiling unison) is actually high on the list of the songs I like from the franchise(below Heartcatch OP though), the others are all decent to good too.
There are some decently animated fights and if you like shield shenanigans, one of the cures will start getting creative with her shield after a bunch of eps.
As for Meroron, she has more depth than the average despite coming across as one-note at the start, though I will mention what's the average here later... Actual favorite character is Kokoro/Kyunkyun tho, her type is very easy to guess.

>the bad
Where do I even begin.
Without spoilers, let's say the average I mentioned above is fairly low and that's very true for the protagonist herself.
The overarching narrative is all over the place and annoyingly non-committal, if they ever bring something interesting up they will try to return to status quo fairly quickly EXCEPT with Meroron. They really are reluctant to add some real tension.
And finally, despite my best attempt at not sounding too stereotypical... the sheer amount of wasted potential with the idol theme holy fucking shit.

Overall it vibes with my inferior Si-groidism but my superior Ne-groidoid brain is quite disappoint.

>Be infj-a
>Little underage girl enters thread
>Have blueprint on your shitpost multiverse saga
>Really proud/ that hill you die on is a 4chan shitpost
>Samefag and loredrop your AUs onto minor
>Minor notices samefag and leaves

this niglet has an entire catalog of every shitpost he made over the past 10 years of 4chan and probably reads them over, late at night reminiscing on fond delusions of grandeur induced by a (you) in a thread 4y ago, smiling to himself, tear rolling down cheek

He probably cachinnate at his own shitpost while his cognitive impairment is still mid-conjuring it
And read it over like 40 times, more than a muslim bound to his blowfly book

>>83789008
>If entelechy of one changes the contents of reality and thus the entelechy possibility of the other, the other will absolutely care though.
I'm sure Jung mentioned that in a way or another.
Sure enough, if the thinking idea leads to "greater feeling potential", to explain it as simply as I can, then the thinking is cared for but purely in terms of its feeling entelechy, not under the principle of thinking itself. They cannot "think what they don't feel" after all, but the opposite is very true too, they can think what they feel very well, assuming they are smart enough regardless of typology.

>>83786087
>Control release definitely takes at least meta-effort if that already counts as release.
That's why I didn't say you were strictly wrong. But, typically when people say "investing effort" they mean something like exerting will. Like gabbing a bar and trying to bend it with force. This principle, when exercised by the ego, does not result in the psyche bending. (Unless it's a temporary bend like a rubber band stretching to whip back to its neutral position once the tension releases)

They typically don't mean it in the Matrix sense, where effort is actually the release of control and realizing the spoon doesn't exist, which is what allows it to be bent.
I totally bet all that makes sense in a totally logically coherent way. :)
>Ok but a negative killing is only in perception
It's not only in perception. The symbol loses libido. In perception, the image may remain exactly the same. But it no longer carries energy.
>the improved symbol version seems less accessible
This is what I was talking about when I mentioned you having a habitual tendency towards "modular thinking". You're phrasing this as if "something is added to the symbol, and then a new symbol arises out of it"

A necessary quality of symbols is that they are not understood. If the symbol is understood, it's a mere sign.
A literal example, a sign on a road with a picture of a hill that points down the road. You go down the road you find the hill the sign was pointing to. The picture of a hill on the sign was NOT a symbol, it was a sign pointing to a known object.

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>>83785957

>type
INFP
>What habit are you most ashamed of right now?
My complete and utter lack of social skills and my terrible horrible awful abysmal interactions with people and the fact I am still thinking about them from the picosecond I wake up to the picosecond I fall asleep and they are making me want to kms for the entire day.
>What's your biggest cope right now?
That I can keep the hatred from entering my heart and remain a good person.
>What would your 18-year-old self think of you today?
Pure raw disappointment and resentment.
>Do you think you'll ever have sex? Yes/No (for foids: do you think you'll get true love)
Yes and yes.
I will have great love in my life I know it. As long as I can remain strong, endure the suffering, and keep the demons at bay I know it is waiting for me.
>Worst failure moment in your life that would make a good green text.
Literally the interactions I've had within the past week.
Yes every moment is worse than the last.

>>83786087
And when you say the "improved symbol version seems less accessible" that isn't a failure of symbolization. That's exactly the opposite, it has regained its symbolic nature. I would gander that the first symbol which died, was actually not a symbol. It was a sign pointing to a symbol.
It seems to be what you think a "negative killing" of a symbol is really the ego's perception of loss when the symbol refuses to remain usable, legible, or a functional foundation for the ego to stand upon. Which is exactly the opposite of a dead symbol. That's an alive symbol that refuses to be turned into a sign.

Part of the reason, maybe even the whole reason, that primitive symbols appear accessible to undifferentiated consciousness is precisely because they are lived, they're not interpreted. Differentiation does not make a symbol more clear, it makes it less clear, unreadable. It becomes like spotless glass pane.
And only once the ego releases its interpretive dominance that is so loves to apply will the symbol release its oppositional tension and allow the self to embody what the symbol symbolizes.

To understand a symbol, you do not dominate it and twist it to your will through force.
You must surrender to it.
It is in their very nature to be inaccessible. That's the point.
>ego is so special that it has to be magically excluded.
It's not excluded. Its position is recognized. The ego gets to ride in the raft in the river. The ego does not get to dictate the course the water takes or how smooth, fast, or the waves in the river.

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>>83789058
>they will try to return to status quo fairly quickly
In some ways that's a plus in my kids show rating book (no I'm not an MBTI sensor I swear)

>>83789156
>The symbol loses libido
Libido is from a psyche in the first place.
Unless being in the unconscious soup counts as an argument, but then the libido is everywhere in there.

>I totally bet all that makes sense in a totally logically coherent way
It's a secret.

>The picture of a hill on the sign was NOT a symbol
I'm going to STOP and AMPLIFY IT and MEDITATE on it thoroughly. It's a symbol now.

>>83789203
>the first symbol which died, was actually not a symbol. It was a sign pointing to a symbol
Ok but the primitives and poorly differentiated people won't make sense of where it's pointing to, so...?

>what you think a "negative killing" of a symbol is really the ego's perception of loss when the symbol refuses to remain usable, legible, or a functional foundation for the ego to stand upon
>releases its interpretive dominance
More like all that becomes useless for entelechy/individuation. Like throwing out <50kg dumbbells and telling gym newcomers to start bicep curls with 50kg ones. Or me just linking you leetcode and telling you don't (You) me until you can make 5 deconstructed expansive abstract explanations of solutions which make you understand a solution on its own (good alchemical aptitude booster btw).

>To understand a symbol, you do not dominate it and twist it to your will through force.
Yes but that's irrelevant here.
>You must surrender to it.
Congrats you've just simply put the symbol in the unconscious and nothing happened, because the executive function and conscious standpoint only repressed it.

>The ego does not get to dictate the course the water takes or how smooth, fast, or the waves in the river.
Metacognitive approaches that even try to view that just for this view are like dams and hydrogen bombs though, among less drastic things. That messes a river up real good.

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>>83789082
stop. stop. stop. stop
>>83789126
stop.
>>83789033
st
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>>83789303
Holy shit I laughed so hard at this easily 10/10

>>83789321
your aura is grey today, do you know what that means?

die groomer pedo nigger

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>>83789276
>In some ways that's a plus in my kids show rating book (no I'm not an MBTI sensor I swear)
Holy sensor.....
The concept is fine on its own and in general terms all the seasons do this due to the format, it's the way they do it specifically in this season that didn't sit right with me. It is stifling to natural character arc progression, and errs to the side of having none at all at times(thankfully not always, Mero is an exception, Koko is somewhat of an exception at the start but then is made to fit the mold).
Oh well, I'm willing to gloss over many issues since all I want from the genre is being fun and cute purely from the side of personal appreciation, it delivers that.
this is obviously an edit but the show literally says things like "we made so many Yous" in reference to social media popularity for their idol group, soooooo

>>83789346
Does it mean I'm DEAD?! Or does it mean I ate too much gray onions?

>>83789355
your aura is yellow with a rim of pink

>>83789365
your aura is reddish orange today

>>83789365
Getting some really strong ENTP vibes from this purple hair girl

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>>83789398
No anon that's the picture's color.

>>83789459
She is an ENFP/Extraverted Intuitoid leaning definitely more on the side of Feeling and she can be quite smug.

>>83789513
Your aura is shattered glass

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>>83789551
What did he orijuganically mean by this

>>83788146
In a sense there is something going on, my guess is that democrats are just learning to not want to be centrist anymore. It is actually kind of strange how in spite of "peak woke" (2015-2022) existing, the majority of democrats were actually more wanting to make peace with Trump and republicans but now they just straight up hate them. I think all the basedjak memes kind of got to them frankly.

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>>83788429(me)
Bored so let me add her criminal record for lulz
>Assault(multiple charges, obviously not counting magical girl fights)
>Trespassing(aggravated, multiple charges)
>Attempted Kidnapping(failed, but did set up traps with explicit intent according to witness testimonies)
>Permanent mental damage through magic shenanigans, for the lack of a more legal-friendly term

>>83789276
>Libido is from a psyche in the first place.
You have a balloon
You release the air from the balloon by popping it
The balloon is dead.
It is irrelevant that the atmosphere is also made of air.
The fact that the air returned to the atmosphere also points to the fact that its no longer within the balloon.

>It's a symbol now.
That entirely depends on how exactly the process beforehand is done. If you're trying to MAKE a symbol, nope. You've failed before you even started. Or if you think you can extract some concept or conceptual knowledge from it, you've failed before you even started.
>won't make sense of where it's pointing to, so...?
They will make sense of it. They will make sense of it more than someone who is differentiated. They will make sense of it through living the symbol. Whereas someone who is more differentiated will struggle to make sense of a symbol because they're trying to interpret the symbol through the ego.
The ego of a differentiated psyche tries to GIVE meaning to the symbol.
The undifferentiated psyche tries to RECIEVE the meaning from the symbol.

A distinction to be made:
"make sense of it" does not mean "understand conceptually".
For example, seeing a symbol of God and feeling God. This is experiencing the symbol. God is contained within the symbol, and through interacting with it, God comes out of the symbol and is felt. That's what it means to make sense of a symbol.
For the undifferentiated psyche, this just happens. God seizes them.
For the differentiated psyche, the ego protests to this seizure and instead seeks to make sense of the symbol in a rational sense.

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>>83789906
>balloon
If symbols are ever alive then why you're making narrative of inanimate balloons for alive symbols in the first place?

>That entirely depends on how exactly the process beforehand is done. If you're trying to MAKE a symbol, nope. You've failed before you even started. Or if you think you can extract some concept or conceptual knowledge from it, you've failed before you even started.
Skill. Issue.
I just have to abide by Jung's symbolization rules.

>They will make sense of it
Hmm, have you seen much individuation happening in the assisted living house for people with intellectual disabilities?

>>83789906
>The ego of a differentiated psyche tries to GIVE meaning to the symbol.
>The undifferentiated psyche tries to RECIEVE the meaning from the symbol.
And both are the WRONG approaches, because meaning may only appear from the contact itself. Also see: constellation, synchronicity.

On a past to present to future scale, I would say that I overwhelmingly think about the near to mid future. Late future just has too much random variables to really think about and yet at least here people say that I have a sensation preference. Not that I am necessarily disagreeing with them or anything, but is it possible to be like that and a sensation type, even if it is just aux?

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>>83790107
Jvvvng pretty much implied that time perception is a separate function that primitive psyches don't have.
Intuition is about potentials of a pattern or an object, it's not an exclusive time function. Yeah potentials imply time but they don't imply precision or differentiation of time. Much like presentness of sensation implies the present time moment but sensation can be temporally inaccurate with that, too.
Rational functions already imply time by progression of steps of rationalization.
Any inferior function is primitive and is described as "timeless" by Jung so that should give a good clue.

>>83790107
Though there is overlap, thinking about the future isn't exactly the same as having a hunch about one or more future possibilities, so it's hard to accurately place it within the framework.

Very generally speaking, both Intuition and Sensation types think about the future, but the former tends to be actively attracted to speculation and the very concept of unrealized potential, how far they are projecting in time depends on the context - the latter might find it worrying and has a penchant for "what could go wrong"(and in that they might be very right, so it gives them the advantage of being prepared for the worst case scenario) in the normal case, and they can go full schizo in a neurotic case. Doesn't mean they dislike change, but they don't find it as inherently attractive to get involved into speculah as the intuitoids because they are more appreciative towards the present.

For a more theoretical consideration, auxiliary Sensation implies it is relatively more developed than Intuition, but the latter is not fundamentally incompatible with your Feeling or Thinking, so it will be allowed when proper but not habitually relied upon as much as the "favored" aux.

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Actually time functions are likely bundled with ego's executive function. Because Moore bundles up both under the "Warrior" archetype quadrant of the psyche.

I can kinda see why.
Of course you'd have little executive functioning when you're not feeling every metabolic iteration exhaust and devour itself, every step is a timeframe closer to hitting the complete reinforced and spiked wall of any bodily functioning. Ticksh-tocksh... Ticksh-tocksh...

>>83790200
One thing that I'd like to point out is that Jung did associate "projecting the object in time and space" to intuition. That doesn't give them a better sense of time, but it makes them more willing to consider the object in relation to its timeline(both in the sense of how it could have transformed, and how it could have moved) as opposed to its present static form.

But you are right that it's not the "time function", it's about the dynamism of reality in general.

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>>83790256
On the topic of intuition, what do you think about the "Potential Man" Memes? One part of me believes it is actually a pretty good comeback from more sensation leaning types because all Megumi did was pose and act cool but not really do much in the story and so that potential is worthless, but it might also be an exasperated sigh from intuition types who saw that potential get wasted because Gege seems to be throwing around a lot of cool concepts that never really get finalized and to me it just seems like a bunch of random bullshit happening with no real rhyme or reason to it.

>>83789978
[You've triggered my trap card]
Because the balloon is a symbolic metaphor. It's alive. It's proving the point I am making by the "real" physical counter part of the object being inanimate.
The balloon in the metaphor does not point a physical balloon, it's not a sign.

Treating the balloon as if it must itself be alive collapses the symbol into a literal object, which is exactly the mistake being illustrated. Effectively, you've taken my symbol and literalized it, which is the very thing I've been critiquing you for doing.
>I just have to abide by Jung's symbolization rules.
Except you've violated the precondition. It's like pouring gasoline into an engine. Except there's no engine for it to be poured in. It doesn't matter if your pouring technique is immaculate, your funnel placement pristinely perfect; there's no gas tank and no engine. You're just pouring gasoline onto the floor.

Jung's rules of symbolization is not a guideline to create symbols. It's a description of how the ego is to relate to the already existing symbols. And trying to apply the rules as a step by step process is already an ego centric violation of the rules.
>have you seen much individuation happening in the assisted living house
*shrug* I was just there to smoke weed.
>because meaning may only appear from the contact itself.
But the direction of the meaning is one way. That's the point.

>>83790348
This sounds like just people getting pissed at scatterbrain writing with exposition that is not matching the intent for the story.
Never got into JJK though.

>>83790348
Depends from the angle.
If somebody is arguing that the potential makes it good, then a typical objection would come from the sensation type pointing out none of that ever happened as a fact, and claim unrealistic expectations.
If somebody is arguing that it could have been good if they didn't waste the potential, then the typical objection comes from a disappointed intuitive.

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>>83790371
>Jung's rules of symbolization is not a guideline to create symbols. It's a description of how the ego is to relate to the already existing symbols
Which describes what the symbol would require in the first place. Inference, bruh.

>Because the balloon is a symbolic metaphor. It's alive
Facts:
1. I'm not satisfied with seeing it as a symbolic metaphor. I don't even do logics on it first, it just feels off even at simple face value.
2. It didn't abide by Jung's Symbolization Rules. No airtight reasoning (whatever it could be), it didn't work out of the box, et cetera.
3. "Just surrender the ego" would mean just ignoring that and putting that into the unconscious.

>But the direction of the meaning is one way. That's the point.
I wouldn't be so sure.

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>>83790371
>spoiler
Nice argument, INFJ-A, however no.
Jokes on you though I play burn, not control shit unless I really want to shit on somebody in GOAT/play singleplayer retro YGO games like Tag Force.

>>83790395
Fair enough, I kind of dropped it when it started to annoy me. I just look at the animations on youtube if I'm in the mood for it because the story seems like shit anyways. I keep seeing people over think basic-bitch shonen anime and think they should read some actual literature for once if they want to think hard about themes and shit.
>>83790399
I suppose so. I think that the concept of "Early Access" games is kind of banking on the potential that a game might have down the line. I do have a habit of buying early access games on steam but oddly enough a lot of them actually do get released.

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>>83790442
>Which describes what the symbol would require in the first place. Inference, bruh.
It describes the precondition for symbols to be interacted with, yes. And that precondition is a necessary release by the ego of its habitual, dominant attitude.

>1. I'm not satisfied with seeing it as a symbolic metaphor.
You want to rationalize it, I know. That's the problem. You want the metaphor to MAKE SENSE in a logically coherent way. Or, probably more aptly, you want it to bend to your definition of what it means to make sese.
>2.
Wut?
>3. "Just surrender the ego"
No, that's not what it means. The ego surrenders its identity as the arbiter and recognizes its role as a passenger.
>>83790451
I play [Jung] The Archetype of the Collective Unconscious.
His effect is:
He can be willfully possessed by any archetype by channeling the collective unconscious once per turn.

>>83790593
>I think that the concept of "Early Access" games is kind of banking on the potential that a game might have down the line
That, but also straight up lying at times. And if you break trust, I would argue any type would quickly label early access promises as trying to scam you out of your money.

>>83790624
I think the genres with shitty open access (Such as open world sloppas) kind of ruins it for the rest of the gang.

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>type
INTP 5w6
>What habit are you most ashamed of right now
Mostly just being lazy. When I don't have anything planned I just lay in bed and don't do anything productive
>What's your biggest cope right now?
Browsing /r9k/ and /gif/ rekt threads. Listening to RYM recommendations as well.
>What would your 18-year-old self think of you today?
"Wow look how much time this retard wasted"
>Do you think you'll ever have sex? Yes/No (for foids: do you think you'll get true love)
I'm borderline ENTP and am relatively good at socializing, so I think that sex is inevitable for me. I still have minor autistic tendencies, but they could just manifest as a crazy sense of humor. I guess I haven't lost hope yet.
>Worst failure moment in your life that would make a good green text.
Probably injuring my boss on accident
>Be me
>Work in warehouse-type setting
>Help boss move something heavy and awkward
>Forklift starts beeping behind me with the driver yelling at us to move out of the way
>I instinctively drop my end (?) and move to let the forklift pass.
>By dropping my end of the burden, all of the weight is transferred to boss
>He's pushed backward and almost falls over; cries out in pain
>fml.wav
>I say "are you ok I'm so sorry" but he just glares at me and limps off for the day.
>fml^2
>I wasn't fired but it's never been the same.

At a certain point, differentiation hits a wall, and trying to push past that wall does the opposite of what you want. It turns form differentiation to abstraction. This is particularly bad when done with parts of the psyche. It's what causes repression or inflation.
If you differentiate the ego TOO much, it becomes abstracted from the self. Like a rose being torn off from a bush.
The ego alienates itself from the rest of itself and deems it to be the center of itself. Simply because it has been so far separated from itself.
The point is not to differentiate something so cleanly that it becomes abstracted (analog: physically separated). The point is to differentiate to observe the relationship between the two (or more) aspects of the psyche, and rather than abstracting, concretizing and bringing the aspects closer together.

The point of differentiation is to establish a relationship with the aspects which are differentiated. Not to isolate them into neat little boxes and cut off their relationships with one another through abstraction.

>It turns form differentiation to abstraction.
Huh yes that's kinda the point. The more differentiated a function is (or anything else in the psyche), the more it's separated from its primitive/concrete origins and tends to abstraction.
It's fine though because you can't just differentiate literally anything, starting with your inferior function&attitude, and other non typological things.

NO. That's absolutely not the point. Over differentiation is a very bad thing. The result of which is one sidedness.

The point of differentiation is not to cut a rose off of the bush, it's to identify where the rose ends and the stem begins in order to observe the relationship between the two.
To abstract the rose is to kill it.

One-sidedness is because you differentiate one thing at the cost of everything else.
Good thing you can differentiate auxiliaries too to a certain degree and get closer to the inferior function, and you kinda can't just undifferentiate back the function itself(though you can do it on contents, in the sense of purposely try to work something through the auxiliary more than the main function).

That's the definition of abstraction though. If you differentiate to the point of abstraction, you've removed the thing from the other thing that it was being differentiated from.
You can undifferentiate. It's significantly harder to un-abstract though.

>Look at hand
>Undifferentiated hand
>Look at index finger
>Differentiated index finger from hand
>Move index finger around independently
>Practiced differentiation (developed "finger" analog: function)
>Chop finger off
>Abstracted finger
>One sided-finger, all finger no hand.
Good luck reattaching that finger.

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>>83790694
>>I instinctively drop my end (?) and move to let the forklift pass.
Dude... I think you might be an INTJ/IN(T). That's a total inferior sensation moment.

>>83790764
Au contraire.
Getting a better hammer isn't bad. Obsessing over the hammer so much you see only the nails everywhere is what's bad.

Aka rigidity of the compass AND the ego arrow.

>>83790613
>You want to rationalize it, I know. That's the problem. You want the metaphor to MAKE SENSE in a logically coherent way
No, I just find it yucky on its own, but that won't make for a good logical argument so I find the logical rebuttal.

>The ego surrenders its identity as the arbiter and recognizes its role as a passenger.
Yeah when you throw your executive functioning out for a ride from the unconscious, it's psychosis/avolition/possession depending on the weather of the psyche.
>Wut?
Basically the same as 1. but Jungian.

>>83790732
>the more it's separated from its primitive/concrete origins and tends to abstraction
I don't remember that in the concrete/abstract discussions? You totally could abstract out something with an inferior function, but mistake it for intuitive hunch because of lack of differentiation, no?

>>83790865
>You totally could abstract out something with an inferior function, but mistake it for intuitive hunch because of lack of differentiation, no?
Abstraction applied on "something"(a content) does not imply abstraction of a function.
That being said, I'm not sure how you can abstract from a content as per Jung without doing it through your general conscious attitude(including type and everything else). Pretty sure he said you need a directed effort that doesn't just happen without you explicitly and willingly trying to.

>>83790922
>Abstraction applied on "something"(a content)
>abstraction of a function
Hmm, what are the definitions/distinctions for these, anyway?

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>>83785957
>Type
IDK, maybe Thinking and then aux Sensation after that
>What habit are you most ashamed of right now?
I don't really do anything consistently at all, I just lose motivation and become obsessed with a new hobby and then drop it for something else when I hit too much friction. I am kind of spineless
>What's your biggest cope right now?
That it'll be all okay
>What would your 18-year-old self think of you today?
You're still a loser but at least you're a skinnier one now
>Do you think you'll ever have sex? Yes/No (for foids: do you think you'll get true love
Eh maybe, I don't really want to have sex with women and I live in the south so homosex might be a bit harder to acquire
>Worst failure moment in your life that would make a good green text.
I pitched a massive fit about not getting a new iphone because I thought it would make people reject me, this is ignoring the fact that I barely had any friends to begin with. Honestly becoming much more apathetic to social norms and trends have done a lot of good in my life. My life is otherwise kind of boring and I like it like that.

>>83790934
The concept of abstracting functions was quickly defined after PT Chapter X, don't have it handy right now but I recall it's written multiple times, including as a part of the 4 function definitions.
Abstracting from a content I think literally just means taking any specific aspect out of it(e.g. if the content is the perception of a red flower, you take out the redness) and making it into a new content. Through which function depends on your type in general and whatever you are trying to do in that specific moment.
>what if the redness is picked out accidentally
Well here is the thing, is the operation was accidental(read: unconsciously), what will actually happen instead is getting attached to unconscious contents that you have no control of, and might arouse inappropriate instinctive reactions(e.g. sudddenly being afraid of red things because idk what weird connection happened there)

>type
ENTP, I haven't been on r9k in earnest since cool story bro
>What habit are you most ashamed of right now?
Talking down to myself.
>What's your biggest cope right now?
I'll find someone like her again, from personality, way of loving me, to body
>What would your 18-year-old self think of you today?
That's a great question. I think he would be happily surprised at the adventures and luck I've had, the strength I've developed mentally and physically. The things I've produced
>Do you think you'll ever have sex? Yes/No (for foids: do you think you'll get true love)
The real question is do I ever think I'll never not have sex with various women for the rest of my life, settling down with no woman? Yes, and it makes me sad.
>Worst failure moment in your life that would make a good green text.
I have some good greentexts but all my failures were preambles to a great time, so it's hard to say that I have a "worst failure" I have a breakup that happened but I don't think of it as a failure on my part.

>>83790694

>"Wow look how much time this retard wasted"
>I'm borderline ENTP and am relatively good at socializing, so I think that sex is inevitable for me.

You're like mid-20's dude, start embracing wizarddom.
Also how the fuck does an INTP work at a warehouse LOL
You really do need to get off /gif/ fuck.

>>83787794
I think we can see this in action when we compare Kemonos and western furries. The shortening of the snout makes the figure more human-like and appealing and a lot of the more popular furries tend to look closer to human beings than they do to animals. I also just think a lot of western furry designs are flavor blasted with color that hurts the eyes.
This is also why I really do not like that tall scalie chick from MHA because it lacks that abstract element but I do like Caimen from Dorohedoro and the various object/animal heads in MHA

>>83788912
Not just ugly he's also 5'6 (self admitted so likely shorter)

>>83790865
Differentiation does not equate to higher proficiency with said hammer, nor even a development of the hammer in question.
That's practice, which is the development of a relationship with the hammer.
Callback to an earlier post of mine about eating ice cream mates you related to it

It's very hard to develop a relationship with a hammer when you cannot tell where it is because it blends into the rack on the toolshed, though. First it much be differentiated from the rack. Its outline must be discerned.
But if you don't stop the differentiation when the outline of the hammer becomes clear, what you have is a neurotic repetition of concepts into concepts into concepts and wind up in analysis paralysis, or just turn the hammer into dust by differentiating its components.
A hammer without a handle it's very useful.
A hammer head cut in half to abstract the head from the claw isn't either.
>No, I just find it yucky on its own, but that won't make for a good logical argument
If you could qualify why it's yucky, that would be a better argument.
>executive functioning
Equating the ego to executive functioning is not a good thing to do.

>>83791082
> I also just think a lot of western furry designs are flavor blasted with color that hurts the eyes.
Holy Si-groid...
But that part might have to do with Se-groidism(objective intensity of the sensory impression, what's stronger is better generally, strong color is better then, you get the point), against Si-groidism(a too intense, or not intense enough sensory impression that deviates from archetypal standard is considered worse).
(that does not include purely personal taste)
The rest of the post seems to also be mostly concerned with that, so let me clarify that "concrete" sensation is basically equivalent to sense perception, it cannot create anything that doesn't exist concretely at all, it wouldn't just be able to draw a furry because nothing doesn't exist exactly in that form. Adding more realistic features but to an object that's still not literally a real thing is more proof of extraversion than the function being more primitive here.

>>83790934
To abstract is to (physically) separate.
To abstract a function is to separate it from the other from the other functions of the psyche or even the psyche itself. Where it becomes elevated (identified with/inflated) or subjugated (repressed).
To abstract the content of a function is so bring that content into the forefront of the conscious mind and separate it from the other content. You could call this "focusing on one aspect of the content of a function".


Abstracting content is fine, usually.
Abstracting functions, not so much.

>>83791173
>nothing doesn't exist exactly in that form
nothing exists* even
>features but to an object
delete the "but"

Huh yeah "realism" is an aeshetic, a very Se-groid brained one specifically, but nonetheless. Let's not confuse using it an aesthetic with being unable to conceive anything that's not literally a real object you have seen, that's dog-tier primitive sensation.

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Alright I should stop typing while doing other shit, I get the memo.
Have >implying Meroron for your trouble. Real subs btw.

>>83791192
>To abstract is to (physically) separate.
Ok
>subjugated (repressed)
Repression is not abstraction, it's merging with unconscious contents.
>To abstract the content of a function is so bring that content into the forefront of the conscious mind and separate it from the other content.
Ok

>Abstracting content is fine, usually.
Ok
>Abstracting functions, not so much.
Re-read the "Definitions" part of PT, carefully this time.
It is equivalent to differentiation of a function, the differentiation itself is not a bad thing, you are supposed to do it and will just do it naturally to go through life anyways. A one-sided type is created when only one function is differentiated(and the attitude too actually), but the others are strongly repressed, eventually creating a strong unconscious counteraction in the flow of libido.(you have to concede something to your aux and the inferior too, or they all will force you to do it in the form of neurosis and complexes that you aren't able to control anymore)

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>type
ENTJ
>What habit are you most ashamed of right now?
I have the urge to be moids little wifey. Truly sickening.
>What's your biggest cope right now?
That I'll find true love. My heart is turning to stone.
>What would your 18-year-old self think of you today?
I would probably be pleased.
>Do you think you'll ever have sex? Yes/No (for foids: do you think you'll get true love)
Yes and yes.
>Worst failure moment in your life that would make a good green text.
I once tried to cook fried shrimp and caught fire. I can't think of anything since I don't dwell on it.

>>83791308
>Repression is not abstraction
Repression *is* abstraction. Repression indicates a direction. Specifically "away from the ego".
Abstraction in the direction of away from the ego "not me" is repression.
Abstraction in the direction of towards the ego "is me" is inflation/identification.

Repression is abstraction, but not all abstraction is repression. Very important distinction to make.
>It is equivalent to differentiation of a function,
There's something extremely important you're missing. Differentiation and abstraction are not equal. For a very specific reason.

Differentiation maintains the structural relationship.
Abstraction severs the relationship.
Abstraction literally means to cut off. To sever. To remove. To separate.
Differentiation itself is not bad. But OVER differentiation is.

I should clarify, abstraction is not bad in and of itself. Just like differentiation.

Are you sending your clones after me, Kris? I had a run in with someone that sounded exactly like you, and they sounded angry too.

Anyone else carry a knife around to defend from immigrants. What's good knife to buy, that's not too expensive?

roblox federal building
shoo shoo

>>83791667
Knives are retarded to carry for self defense tbqh. Knife fighting is dirty and you will get hurt. If you live somewhere that permits it, buy a gun. If you live in Canada, learn how to perform the best fellatio you can

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>>83791667
Fairbanks sykes fighting knife. Some brown starts swinging at you you come in low from the side like a swinging door between the ribs to hit the vital organs. One more dead brown lol.

>>83791173
>Se-groidism(objective intensity of the sensory impression, what's stronger is better generally, strong color is better then, you get the point), against Si-groidism(a too intense, or not intense enough sensory impression that deviates from archetypal standard is considered worse).
Well I do tend to like stronger tasting alcohol or ones that taste a bit weird but novel unless I get drunk and then I can just pound piss beers like it's nobody's business. Not sure what that is.

You tell me this "thinking"(technically it is, because it's about connecting concepts) isn't incredibly destructive with a straight face. It's not even trying to transmit any idea, it's not trying to reject, it's not trying to agree, hell it's not even trying to "win" an argument, it's devoid of everything. One should ask, why is this being posted at all? Pure trolling? Even that doesn't sound right, you get tired of trolling eventually.
It feels like some form of psychological warfare, just trying to tire somebody out, or trying to mine their reliability by appealing to technicalities. Oh well, it doesn't really have the desired effect since my Ne ass is only tired when Intuition decides to move onto the next image (or the body physically gives up).

And it's still wrong, since in this case, in this context, differentiation and abstraction were defined as meaning the same thing, trying to communicate the same concept regardless of what the words mean in a dictionary, if you will. Only per Jung and related to the functions of course, not in any general sense of the terms.

As for "over differentiation", I will content myself with saying:
Bad in theory if you somehow manage to differentiate your entire psyche and kill any tension with the unconscious
Not bad in practice because it's literally not possible either way. At some point you will have to middle realm(hence detach from ego and conscious standpoint) anyway and go full T.F. because turns out you cannot really bridge all opposites otherwise.

>>83791779
Usual answer in this case is to see things holistically, because type is about psychological habits anyways.
Could I interpret it as proof of Se-groidism if now you are valuing a sensation purely because it's "objectively" more intense? I guess, real question would be how it fits with everything else. What's the recurring pattern, is it generally about doing Se-groidisms with some exceptions, or Si-groidism with some exceptions?

>>83791667
I don't need knives when I have words and aura.

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>>83791667
Anon: >>83791724 is right knives are stupid. They're just not effective, especially if the enemy is on drugs. Sure you'll slash up their arms but it won't stop them.
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A better option is a pipe wrench that you carry in a backpack. First: it's legal and second it's longer then a knife if you get into knife fight. Third it'll break their hands and arms if they swing at you.
>>83791740
>Fairbanks sykes fighting knife.
Anon are you sneaking up on German guards in the middle of the night and stabbing them in jugular? Cause that's what that knife is made for, not self defense.

Oh and, if a lot of ambivalence presents itself in terms of attitude related to function, I choose to interpret it as proof of an auxiliary function.
That's a whole can of worms but I provided a lot of proof that this theory seems to fit Jung's own ideas imo, and other Jungians seem to have tacitly accepted it as the truth.

>>83791848
>Could I interpret it as proof of Se-groidism if now you are valuing a sensation purely because it's "objectively" more intense? I guess, real question would be how it fits with everything else. What's the recurring pattern, is it generally about doing Se-groidisms with some exceptions, or Si-groidism with some exceptions?
I want more of the things that I like and less of the things that I don't like. I'm not a fan of overly saturated colors so I don't want that much of them, I like desaturated colors more as a general rule of things. I like bitterness and sourness in beer so the more of that the better. Food that is tastier is good to me, I think that my own internal impression of objects in general is kind of weak now that I think about it. Something is just kind of "Is" but there is sometimes a level when something becomes too overbearing but I think that my own sense perception of things is pretty blunt. Often I might think of what something might represent in a specific time or location, or where and how it could possibly evolve but just as often I don't and just see it as what it is.

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>>83785957
>>type
INTP
>>What habit are you most ashamed of right now?
bitting on my nails way too much. they are looking awful right now.
>>What's your biggest cope right now?
its between drawing, 4chan and movies. i can't decide lol
>>What would your 18-year-old self think of you today?
he would probably be proud in a way.
>>Do you think you'll ever have sex?
no
>>Worst failure moment in your life that would make a good green text.
i have two, but one's more funny than the other.
1:
i swallowed one of those round button cell batteries when i was eight years old and i still have it laying around somewhere
2:
when i was still in highschool and my father made me stay at his house for the whole month of january, in which i cried myself to sleep every night. i still really don't like the month, even if it is the one i was born in

>>83791848
>"thinking"(technically it is, because it's about connecting concepts) isn't incredibly destructive with a straight face.
It absolutely is. Reduction through abstraction is unequivocally destructive. That's why Jung warns against over abstraction for thinking types, relying on it too heavily can lend oneself to inflation and inhibit individuation.

I don't know where you're getting the notion that abstraction and differentiation are the same. Sure, they're *similar*, but they're not the same.
If they were the same, he'd use the same term for them.

And I'm not talking about the entirety of the psyche when I say over differentiation. I'm referring to any specific function or aspect of the psyche. Like I said, at some point of differentiation, you can no longer differentiate without abstraction.
There comes a point where you hit a metaphorical wall, and passing that point necessarily means you are separating ((see: cutting) abstracting) a subject from an object. You've passed from relating to (differentiating) to separating from (abstracting).

We have a pizza. It's a pepperoni and pineapple pizza.
If you look at the pizza, you can differentiate the pineapples from the pepperonis, and you can differentiate them from the whole pizza, the cheese from the crust, etc, etc. But they're still all related, they're still on the pizza.
We can abstract the pepperonis (take them off) and view them individually. No problems yet, you can still place them back on the pizza.
I decide, I don't like pepperonis, they're not mine. They're now repressed. I put all the pepperonis on one half of the pizza and say that half is "not me/not mine". Small problem, there's repression but the pizza is still ultimately whole and the pineapples are still related to the whole pizza.
NOW I abstract the pizza itself and cut it in half. My half of the pizza has only pineapples. Now we have one sidedness.

(I think this metaphor sucks, but oh well.)

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>>83791667
Get a Wakazashi, the mere site of it will drive off brownskins or leftists from getting uppity. And if you have to fight it'll fuck them up. Also it's shorter then a katana so you can use it in hallway or in a bus.

>>83791667
>Anyone else carry a knife around to defend from immigrants
Nah; if I'm worried about immigrants, I'll carry my gun.

Forgive delay, IRL distractions.

>>83791948
The post taken hositically seems to represent sensation and feeling working together.
It appears to me that the called "numinal accent" falls on Feeling, while Sensation is possibly an auxiliary, it stops mattering too much once it accomplishes the goal of the main function.

I see hardly any mention of Thinking but this could be contextual so don't take it as a very strong hint.

Now onto some specifics:
>not a fan of overly saturated colors
Tentatively interpreting this as closer Si-groidism because Se-groids are flashy as shit. Sure they have "taste" but it's generally in making things bigger, stronger, more intense, and so on, more penetrating to your senses, and so on. Not in way that's disgusting but decisively showy, striking, "you can't look away". That's the Se-groid way.
The Si-groid instead doesn't do this, he finds comfort in moderation, not greyness but subtlety, just a little more red, but also in esoteric things indeed(do they attract inferior intuition? Probably)
>Food stuff
That seems more of a matter of selective taste, which is.... loosely connected to introversion but very loosely. Why? Because it denotes a general dismissiveness to the external objects unless they hit the right spots. Extraverts are generally less able to discriminate but not because they don't have taste, it's because they default to appreciating the object unless it has proved itself to be disagreeable.
>Representation
Heh, the old name of intuition. Yes Jung himself called it like that before writing PT, interesting coincidence or did you already know?
Anyways, it's telling me your rapport with the function might not be overly negative so it counts as possibly being merely a lower auxiliary.

tl;dr I smell IF(S)

>>83792413
Ur a weeb so it's gonna be a bolt action arisaka or something you saw in an anime or whatever. Let me guess "bolt action is better then an ar-15 cause... ...because it just is ok!".

>>83792463
Bolt action has more range, stopping power, more damage than a girly ar 15.

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>>83792406
>Carry a wakazashi around
You've been watching too many animes anon. Walk around in public carrying a sword and someone will call the cops. I suggested a pipe wrench cause its legal and doesn't arouse suspicion when you buy it.
>>83792413
>Nah; if I'm worried about immigrants, I'll carry my gun.
What kind do you have? I have a little smith and wessen (I think it's the 642) 5 shot revolver my dad bought me.

For a funny comparison to introversion+sensation+thinking, with feeling left as rather undeveloped, I had a fren who liked to watch these documentaries where they show you how they make things. You know, the production process of food, objects, that kind of stuff.
He really liked to gather a lot of factoids of this nature and tell me about it, even about things he didn't particularly like and couldn't give less of a shit in feeling terms.
That was a very striking example of how these things work together to me, an intellectual interest in how things come to be in general. Of course he also happened to like history and really everything that has to do with this same line of interests, very obvious pattern there.

Specific typing of this person was IS(T) imo, because his interest, as "intellectual" as it is, fundamentally concerns itself with irrational facts without specifically making them fit to an idea first.

Also stereotypical in the sense of having good memory lol. Could count on him to remember anything. History lessons were his favorite subject in school and it shows, holy shit he didn't forget a date, name, or anything. Even debated the teacher because he's better at it lool

I had a girl pull a knife out once while we were hanging out in a dark and secluded parking lot. She put it up to my neck then we kissed. It was really hot.

Typing people or characters is definitely NOT off topic here.
That's all from me since I haven't watched this.

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>>83792652
>She put it up to my neck then we kissed. It was really hot.
I like this idea, a lot.

>>83792803
Well, maybe you should finish telling me about your ideal date.

>>83792418
Yeah I suppose I do tend to have a tendency of just blurting out what I think about things without really even meaning to. Suppose it is a lot like a judgement first kind of deal.
>Heh, the old name of intuition. Yes Jung himself called it like that before writing PT, interesting coincidence or did you already know?
>Anyways, it's telling me your rapport with the function might not be overly negative so it counts as possibly being merely a lower auxiliary.
Yeah I think I remember doing that? I read some of Jung's other stuff outside of PT several years ago, however my own personal feelings about intuition is if anything I tend to find people who are overly pessimistic and have a tendency to panic about things to be very annoying people who ruin the mood of things, which seems to be something I find in sensation types a lot who have an undifferentiated intuition. They never really seem to give possibilities a chance, and tend to stick with what they know too much for me. Then again I am not exactly someone who is very easily impressed by potential by itself.
>>83792765
Yeah, sorry I forgot that you even posted at me.
My own guess is that I can't figure out the bosses' type but maybe some sort of intuition typ, idk about Alan, Pim is an extroverted feeling type and charlie is probably sensation orientated of some kind. He does like his incredibly shitty food greasy food, which seems to be more of a se dom thing, also kind of a "Doom scroller" and a "conspiracy" guy.
However I am very bad at typing people. Maybe that is another point of me being a feeling type, sense it is quite hard for me to really diagnose much of anything and I frankly mostly just go by what I want or don't want. People can figure out what they want for themselves and it's not really my place to do it for them.

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>>83792589
>5 shot revolver my dad bought me.
Fucking pindos amerilards buying thier kids guns
"hey baby gurl yall jeever wantz a gun? Letz getz one after buying lard from walmart and gettin the double tripple goyburger from Mcgoyslop"

>>83792652
uhhh... you sound like you want this to happen again

>>83792589
>What kind do you have?
Ruger LCR chambered for .38 special +P
>I have a little smith and wessen (I think it's the 642) 5 shot revolver my dad bought me.
Nice!

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>today we larp as self-defense experts
Take a class and stop messing around... It's for your own safety, please.

>>83790986
>what will actually happen instead is getting attached to unconscious contents that you have no control of, and might arouse inappropriate instinctive reactions
This is possible but I doubt it's certain. You can't really have limitation certainty with things concerning the psychoid.
I could use a PT re-read myself. Especially since I didn't bother remembering abstractioning, wouldn't guess it'd be useful...

>>83791135
>If you could qualify why it's yucky
Now that's where almost all what you had said about symbols would apply to qualia.

>Differentiation does not equate to higher proficiency with said hammer
When you can tell the handle from the head, the broken hammer from a working one, between hammers of different quality, and what's ought to be hammered and how - oh it will inevitably develop the proficiency at least by unconscious influences working with the differentiated contents.

>That's practice, which is the development of a relationship with the hammer.
Not an exclusive one, even if it's irreplaceable.
Huh I want to use a HxH reference of Kurapika psychologically merging with chains to understand them better to develop his Nen ability but that's outta the left field I guess...

>Equating the ego to executive functioning is not a good thing to do.
I don't do that. It's a question of sets/categories/containers.
Unconscious doing things for you with your body, like sleepwalking, is executive functioning irrelevant to the whole, holistic you. It'd be irrelevant only by a unconscious-centric reductionism version of the composite you.

>>83792639
>Even debated the teacher because he's better at it lool
I accidentally had been ending up debating teachers over most pedantic stuff... One was so adept at bantz she cornered me at double bind, and I was like... "What was for homework, again?" She let me off the hook lol.

>>83793042
>It'd be irrelevant only by a unconscious-centric reductionism version of the composite you.
*The phrasing got awkward but you get it.

>>83790999
why is everyone ignoring my cool post and epic trips?

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>>83791935
>Oh and, if a lot of ambivalence presents itself in terms of attitude related to function, I choose to interpret it as proof of an auxiliary function.
/Objection!/
Ambivalence would happen only with equal differentiation of auxiliaries - i.e. no preferred aux, with at the "waterline" of the compass in the waters of the unconscious.

Even if ambivalent moments are possible, you'd need a lot of frames where the aux is on the waterline, and it's way more likely to have a 99.9% content that's split in some proportion between conscious and unconscious types of use.

>>83793141
Nothing sparks much food for thought, and repeating digits became mundane with 4kek slowing down, except when it's a get maybe

>>83791998
>its between drawing
That's a positive type of cope

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>>83792803
My ideal date? I'm adhd so perfer fun & stimulation over "romantic settings", so maybe going to 10 different places on one date without spending a lot. That said I get pretty twisted when I get sexual, but thats a different subject.
>>83793141
Well I just read. It was funny, good job.

>>83793256 (me)
oops I resonded to myself: I meant it for this anon: >>83792816
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But while I'm here I'll rant IDK why people think they need to go fancy resturants and clubs for dates, I find clubs dull, being a dark room full of sweaty people drunk dancing to ear-rape loud terrible music so loud you can't talk to anyone while a drink is like $15. And the fancy resturant thats $250 for 2 people for some bland ass fish.

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>>83785957
>type
intp-t
>What habit are you most ashamed of right now?
Irregular sleep
>What's your biggest cope right now?
Playing vidya and watching anime
>What would your 18-year-old self think of you today?
It went as bad as expected.
>Do you think you'll ever have sex? Yes/No (for foids: do you think you'll get true love)
Probably not.
>Worst failure moment in your life that would make a good green text.
Getting bullied in school when I was between 6 and 14. It may not be entirely my fault, but I also consider it a failure on my part to communicate and bond with even my own close family. Maybe I've been fucked from birth, but it is what it is.

The real issue with immigration isn't what the rightoids claim:
>Hurr they're a bunch of rapists and criminals
Cause immigrants commit less crimes then native blacks. The real issue is over supply for jobs and houses/resources driving down wages while causing resources/housing prices to go up. This is particularly bad in Canada.

>>83793390
This is assuming that FBI crime statistics are even reliable. Y'know how many honkies in the sticks like to bribe police officers with beer when they hang out at the bars right? Let alone all the unaccounted for white collar crime.
Still keeping a leash on migration numbers is a good thing I'd say.

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>>83793390
>immigrants commit less crimes
Sure buddy, the muslim migrant hoards are peaceful and love the countries they moved too mmmm hmmmm.

>I need to discuss politics on an incel board's astrology thread... or else THEY will win... the world is at stake... only I can STOP this MADNESS by writing a staple talking point HERE and NOW

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Well if we're posting off topic: Then what MBTI type are the guys in picrel most likely to be?

>>83793459
Von Franz's Puer Aeternus (obligatory read)

>>83793390
Most Somalis are a bunch of criminals. Most Muslims are a bunch of rapists and criminals. Indians are worse than Somalis and also go out of their way to do the thing you described 10x. The majority of Hispanics are just trying to escape from countries whose governments are controlled by cartels aka criminals but also bring those same problems with them.
But yes chimping out and lack of resources are major problems too. I wouldn't say any one is worse or "realer" than the other though.

>>83793459
what amount of that isn't just pure performance?

>>83793469
>obligatory read
Can you summarize it please, thanks.

>>83793506
I did a summary in paste.fo years ago but it stopped working so you'll have to read the book.

>>83793503
50% because that's how negative persona poisoning goes

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>>83793459
>what MBTI type are the guys in picrel most likely to be?
>INTP's
They geek out on Star Wars' Force mechanics & tech (or worse the politics), often creating theories or debating canon endlessly.
>INFPs
They immerse themselves in the lore, maybe even maladative day-dream they're a Jedi or whatever, or write fanfiction or draw art, or do table top role-playing
>ENTP's
They're similar to the INTP but add in a desire to argue about plot points and alternate endings, power scalings, or "who would win" scenarios.
>ISTP's
They gravitate to Star Wars's tech (lightsabers, starships), building models or analyzing fight scenes.
>INFJs
They delve into Star Wars philosophical junk getting into taoism or joseph cambel or God forbid Jung.

>>83793522
fine I'll listen to the audio book, it better be good, cause last time you assholes suggested a book: Satanic bible it was egdelord laughable garbage.

>>83793604
In this thread? What's the archive post on that? We'll identify the poster and laugh at them for the rec

>>83785957
ISTP is actually based and ME

What type am I, if I think that modern Star Wars is dogshit and that it was never really *that* good

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>>83793459
Star Wars is such trash. It's an ecosystem of shit feeding on itself.
Yes the first movie followed the heros journey, and the second movie was a good subverions for a sci-fi action movie. But thats doesnt warrent 30,000 hours of media (yes counting all the books/comics/games/etc)

>>83793641
>ISTP = Me
You're Russian? And the pic says America is ESTP....

So America is an extroverted version of Russia? And Russia is an introverted Version of America WTF?

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What's their type depending on their pfp?
Keep in mind that I don't agree with this ranking btw.

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>>83793674
>Russia is an introverted Version of America
Yes unironically: they're both giant multiculture empires that treat small nations around them like shit and don't give a fuck about anything but themselves. The big difference is, extroverts are better at making friends thus America won the cold war (made better alliances), but now america is fighting another extrovert (CCP=ESTJ) so it's more difficult.

Now if you use history + MBTI you can pretty much see who will win any long term conflict
>example: (1700-1920s)UK was ENTJ while (1700-1870s)France was ESFP, so obviously UK won).
China is ESTJ which is less palatable for alliances then ESTP, therefore America will ultimatly win but barely.

>>83793713
i'll make list 4 u when I get back home in few minutes.

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Before, I used music as a sort of focus and intensity attenuator, but nowadays it's all completely distracting and inhibiting in this regard.
SAD and GRIM tracks get more appreciation though. I'll have to make a new playlist just for the subfeel.

>>83793576
And INTJs are not in the pic because they calmly meditate on HK-47 obviously?

>>83793773
>Now if you use history + MBTI you can pretty much see who will win any long term conflict
What's the MBTI for the Jewish folks? In advance: cool it with the anti-Semitic remarks, thanks!

>>83792391
Food metaphors are so American...
>deep secrets of the sublime structure of the psyche? sure, I'll listen, as long as you lay it out in burgers!

I think that trying to type nations is kind of silly but also probably one of the most valid ways of applying Jungian psychology into something practical. That being said with the Japan example, I also think there is also a pretty good case of Introverted Feeling being something they keenly feel, it is also a culture where disagreements and the like are meant to be kept hush-hush because it isn't really supposed to be anyone else's business but your own. You're engagement with the greater whole of Japan is mostly meant to be an obligation of sorts. Hiding one's own values and downplaying cultural signifiers is a pretty big part of introverted feeling. In contrast Introverted Thinking types tend to be rather blunt and will just say what they think without really caring much about what the other party thinks because they are just vocalizing their ideas to get some sort of feedback. They are not very attached to their own reflections because those reflections are meant to be a guide of how to reach some sort of truth. That is not really something I see in Japanese culture that much, while there is some self-reflection going on, the overall focus is more on emotionalism than that. As Jung would say about someone he actually typed based just off of letters he read between two parties. The other being an extroverted Intuition type. It was quite interesting, forgot where I read it from though.

Another thing to keep in mind is class position as well, and what industry you are working in. Tech is very obviously so Extroverted Intuition that they are outright delusional about the capabilities of large language models, while Agribusiness is Extroverted Thinking. The leadership and politics is mostly Exroverted Sensation however, a lot of bombast but not that much in the way of value or pragmatic signalling outside of AMERICA FUCK YEAH but the values expressed is mostly for the sake of saying AMERICA FUCK YEAH more than it is about those actual values.

>>83793780
Thx anon I'll be waiting

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>>83793906
>What's the MBTI for the Jewish folks? In advance: cool it with the anti-Semitic remarks, thanks!
Jews are overall ENTP (including Israel).
So if we compared that to Radical Islam=ESTJ, we can then determine who will win the civilization struggle in the region:
ESTJ is better tactically
ENTP is better strategically
in the short term, radical Islamists can do more damage & rally more support. In the long term the Jews can systematically shut them down. So Israel is going to win but it'll be hard won and take decades.
>>83793713
here I finished it (picrel)

>>83794019
is this typing the characters or the people who'd use those pfps?

>>83794026
typing of the characters personalitie.s

>>83794027
>>83794019
Well thanks for the effort
Would you say they'd correlate with the people using the pfps?

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>>83794019
>>83794026
The hyper autist developing some *thing* (or multiple. Nobody can tell) while crossposting on /g/ and /sci/ is using Tohru to avatarfag and he's absolutely some INTP style thinkoid.

what if you make your own pfps

>>83793991
>I think that trying to type nations is kind of silly but also probably one of the most valid ways of applying Jungian psychology into something practical.
I agree lol. Wait till you see how accurate it is.
>That being said with the Japan example
Don't confuse animes for reality. Japan is a collectivist "face" saving society were: "doing your DUTY is more important then feelings so suck it up". They're ISTJ's to the core, even towards family and friends, AND they are blunt AF, they'll straight up call some someone fat or ugly, just because it's hierarchy based (you can only punch down not up) doesn't negate it.

>>83794045
>The hyper autist developing some *thing* (or multiple. Nobody can tell) while crossposting on /g/ and /sci/ is using Tohru to avatarfag and he's absolutely some INTP style thinkoid.
You done complimenting yourself?

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I think I understand how to identify a feeling dom type. They'll be prone to believe that all thinking is only ever Horkheimer's "instrumental reason" (just learned the term by accident, how handy) - i.e. "logics are only for slop purposes only the primitives and the undifferentiated would care about"!

>>83794130
As for MYSELF, hmm WELL WELL WELL, just WHERE do I even START to BEGIN, ohhh my . . . . . . . .

America is such an ESTP country. Look how it fights war: Comes in blows up a bunch of shit, then goes "meh, I'm bored of this" (or "this is to hard fuck this") and leaves.

>>83794654
>America is such an ESTP country
WTF does that even mean? I hardly know any ESTPs and I live in America.

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>>83794670
>WTF does that even mean? I hardly know any ESTPs and I live in America.
It MEANS inside every American is a personality kernel of an ESTP. It comes out during times of duress, high emotion, or simple group think. THINK ABOUT IT: Americans default to being obnxious braggadocio's if something big happens like a election victory or a spaceship lands on something. Even a blue-pill introverted leftist who visits europe will be like "DOOD HOLY SHIT THIS FUCKIN AWESOME DOOD"

I'm not saying every American is an ESTP, I'm say it is their default cultural setting that they all FALL BACK ON if necessary.

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LISTEN UP! PUT DOWN YOUR CHAI LATTE(FAG) AND WITNESS THE GLORY OF AMERICA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! I'm gonna snort coke and drive 100 mph while a supermodel deepthroats me cause THIS is FREEDOM(shit is so cash).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK0P1Bk8Cx4
Now why don't you go cry about being gay & weak while I celebrate how AWESOME it is to live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.

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>>83794808
This is an effort thread. You are required to put effort forward or GTFO to and go to /biofem/ or /cut/

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>>83792589
>I have a little smith and wessen (I think it's the 642) 5 shot revolver my dad bought me.
Based gun. I carry either it or a Glock 17 depending on whether I want to pocket carry or carry IWB. Internal lock removed, ofc. d-don't tell anyone

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Threadly reminder to swab your casings with distilled alcohol in order to remove the finger prints just in case you decide to put down a feral nig and would rather not report the encounter

Denatured alcohol, excuse me. It's been awhile

https://youtube.com/shorts/txyUQzhe7Q0

>>83794876
How about I don't live near them so I don't have to kell them. Have you thought of that?!

>>83795188
>Alter your life choices based on the migratory behaviour of niggers
Absolute beta mindset. How about I go where I please, and live where and how I want?

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>>83795188
White mans compassion is his undoing. I get it being compassionate to other whites is what elevated white society but do you think browns care about that? They don't want to elevate society, they ALL aspire to be is cruel tyrants, why do you think they all wanna be called "king/queen", they'll take being king of a mountain of shit, just as long as they're at the top. So they don't care if western civilization is destroyed and they're living in liberia 2.0.

>>83794654
Wow so my ESTP arc was really just me coming to terms with being an american... #integration

>>83795256
So much this. Women and their suicidal empathy are to blame for most of our problems. They're too emotional to vote. What a mistake

>>83795007
Fuckign fake tiktok shit

>>83795276
All Americans have an internal ESTP personality core that can override their dominate personality.
This is do to "hybrid vigor" (aka heterosis) giving Amerians a 12.4% increase in energy levels, and increase in thinking speed (5%), improved disease resistance, increased fertility, and better environmental adaptability (basically can survive posioning better) vs homgenious nationalities. This is particularly pronounced in F1 hybrids.

Basically the ESTP nature is biologically based.

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>>83795356
>Amerimutts are geneticlly superior
LMAO

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>>83795372
Americans are literally a master race cause they're objectivily geneticially superior.
Thats not conjecture
Thats not a theory
Thats not an opinion
Thats a measurable fact.
Here's some studies on Heterosis:
https://dr.lib.iastate.edu/bitstreams/9ee83383-1ca6-4794-b4b6-433ca03e34a1/download
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6709564/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40101147/

>>83795007
You should really take shrooms for real, J, it would would help,

>>83793160
Lol but I meant, compared to your main function(and inferior too, on the opposite end) you will see more ambivalence on the attitude of the aux, with still an obvious bias for your preferred attitude and one aux function. Whenever I notice that, I doubt somebody has a particular attachment to the function, it allows some spontaneousness and contamination with the unconscious there because it's not equivalent to the conscious standpoint either way.
I'm not getting into making an exact proportion ratio because it's way too dynamic imo, risks committing the same mistake as the "stackbrains".

Anyways, anon just keeps going on and on about how he FEELS about things, people, etc. given his posts, always charged with feeling judgments, always making a point to return to them, always DISGUSTINGLY FEELOIDING ALL OVER THE GODDAMN PLACE. VGH....
I kid, but yeah I'm confident enough he's IF(S) by now. Pray he doesn't go full INFJ-A or starts glazing Freud...

>>83794714
>tfw internalized Se-groidism just by being American
Now that's actually disgusting.

>>83795431
https://youtube.com/shorts/mMDfKy9ZT3I

how to determine a kittys mbti

>>83795627
Easy what does he act like? Mine is an ENFP who gets silly but sad if left alone. I've know cats that were estjs that like a ridged schedual and went on patrols to look for mice and had no time for play. I've know info cats that all they wanted to do is play tablet bug smashing video games and watch cat-TV (birds) and would otherwise mope. I've know cats that were estps that all the wanted to do was impress female cats.

>>83795627
My dog is introverted because it's a guard dog, she will be aggressive if an unknown object doesn't prove itself to be innocuous.
All 4 main functions seem to be rather primitive, but dogs as a whole tend to affective feeling.

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>>83785957
>type
ISTP
>What habit are you most ashamed of right now?
Gooning and weed
>What's your biggest cope right now?
Thinking the near future will turn out for me regardless of my current situation.
>What would your 18-year-old self think of you today?
My 18yo self would be completely btfo by all the things 27yo me has experienced by now, would probably think I am cool despite being in a shitshow now.
>Do you think you'll ever have sex Yes/No (for foids: do you think you'll get true love)
Yes and I have
>Worst failure moment in your life that would make a good green text.

>be me mid 20s
>great 6-fig aircraft mechanic job
>lived with gf in cozy apartment and had pret much a great life I took for granted
>end up in a defensive shooting case
>ultimately charged with assault 2 (felony)

Its now been two months since ive been out of jail. I landed a great job offer which was then ultimately rescinded the day prior to my start date due to my record.

Back to living with parents, rotting and being a NEET like I used to be. My morale is very low when it comes to jobs, but I tend to figure things out.

>>83795991
You gotta become an entrepreneur, then you don't have to apply for jobs.

My cat is an INFP because he crys a lot and begs for food 6 hours a day and then sleeps the rest of the day

>>83796229
I tried that in an MMO (where you can accumulate starting capital) and ended up with bulk that could be sold off only for cheaper because you can't reliably predict supply and price changes

>>83792840
>However I am very bad at typing people. Maybe that is another point of me being a feeling type
Lol nah. Feeling types can detect motivations and intentions better on average than thinkoids, and these are very valuable data for typing since it's more about how things matter for the subject than what they actually do.
Don't compare yourself with *him*, he might be a feeloid too but more importantly he's fucking dumb and very deep into the projections. Smart feeloids are a thing.

>>83796451
>Feeling types can detect motivations and intentions better on average than thinkoids
No they can't. They are more aware of their own feelings but thinking types are able to think about how others might be thinking.

>>83796462
What no, feeling does the same with *everyone*, not just "your" feelings. They are aware of Feelings period.
Especially if they are extraverted, but for what's worth doing it along introversion only means you will touch upon the subjective factor(which is actually born out of collective unconscious, hence has validity outside of the purely personal subjectivity).

>>83796473
>collective unconscious, hence has validity outside of the purely personal subjectivity
Collective unconscious is not actually valid. It doesn't actually exist.

>>83796485
I'm going to start drawing occult function circles and a bunch of mandalas to summon Jung's ghost so he can haunt you and your dog/cat/spirit animal if you aren't a pet owner.

>>83796485
Define "exist", anon?

>>83796510
>exist
It's not real. It's made up. It does not exist in the real world. It's just something tumbler emo kids like to say.
>>83796497
>drawing occult function circles
The occult is not real either. It's a fantasy that goth girls like to play.

>>83796544
Sounds like you mean "is not an object"
But then gravity isn't real.
Time isn't real.
Consciousness isn't real.
Perception isn't real.
Emotions are not real.
Thoughts are not real.
Even objects themselves are not real. What you know of as a "chair" is not a chair and simply does not exist.

I could go on.

>>83796544
>It's a fantasy that goth girls like to play.
Counterpoint: on all levels except physical, I'm a little gothic lolits girl, specifically typed IS(F) too.

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Lets do a breakdown of an ESTP culture (USA & Mongol Empire):
>Main Strengths:
*Ungodly manuever warfare ability: will get to places rivals think is impossible and do it fast.
*Basically never have supply problems since they think of war as running a business.
*Ultra-effective merchants. They're quick to make new deals, and forgive past grudges for the sake of money.
>Weaknesses:
*If they don't win quick they give up
*they piss off allies without even trying who then stop cooperating
*they have NO grand strategy or diplomacy ability
*they have a low-brow culture they try to impose on everyone
>Who they're best at beating:
ISFP nations (like France) & ISFJ nations (like Canada). Since the ESTP is so bluntly destructive and unpreditable the more civlized ISF_'s get walloped.
>Who they're weakest against
INFJ and ENTJ. The ENTJ because they can do protracted grand strategy, and the INTJ because religous fanatics are the only thing that scares the estp.

>>83796568
I will just tell them that we came into contact with an alien species and we possess foreign technology, that will fire up all the inferior intuition schizoing and they will be quaking in their boots.
Thanks Jung, Se-groids have no counter for this.

>>83796568
>The ESFP's take on what it means to be a sensoid

>>83796548
Those things are proven to exist though using experiments. No one would say gravity is just a theory. It's a real thing that can be measured and felt.

>>83796554
>I'm a little gothic lolits girl,
Sure you are. You exist just as much as the collective unconscious.

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>>83796335
I do sales IRL, find things with a good 'spread': ideally $1-2 cost of good that sells for $20-30, then supply cost fluxuations matter less. If you're doing something like buying a lego set for $100 and selling it for $120 you're fucked if trends change. But if you buy anime statues for $3 and sell them for $50 it's less damaging.

>>83796678
You can prove there are really archetypes and a collective unconscious, in theory, by pointing out how these keep showing up in all of human history regardless of time, space, culture, etc. etc.
It is a very logically and internally consistent idea, but of course we don't know how it looks like "physically" so it's mostly a sensoid concern.

>>83796678
Archetypes and the collective unconscious can be felt as well. I guess it's an object now, just like gravity.

>>83796712
>>83796738
What does the "collective unconscious" feel like?

>>83796776
It's that weird feel you have when you are touching upon something that says something about hoomans as a whole, despite starting from something that was apparently only about yourself.
In dreams it's when you cannot really link the contents with your personal experience, thoughts, feelings, and what not, yet it seems to match something more primal and collective.

>>83796784
>In dreams it's when you cannot really link the contents with your personal experience, thoughts, feelings, and what not, yet it seems to match something more primal and collective.
That's just schizophrenia.

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>>83796568
With their opportunism and innovative logistics and messenger outpost network aptitude and religious zeal around the "Perfect Integrated Khan" Mongol Empire is "ENTP." Even in the gay "Si=memory and tradition" it would be Si inf since the worship was more shaped around the current khan.
The horseback archery spam is just red herring cherry on top.

I think modern nations/states are less sensible to type since there's globalization cross-contamination and the governments are based on nepotism and blackmail infighting and outfighting mixed with realpolitik and populism.
Unless you're narrowing down something specific or at least pre-20th century, like fairy tales or culture or comparing approaches in specific fields. Now that's interesting.

>>83796792
Holy extravertoid and possibly sensoid...
But yeah, you brought up one of the reasons for why I am very at odds with modern psychoanalysis. Yeah just slap a label and don't think about it, seriously? You call this a proper investigation?

>>83796802
You can't investigate something that doesn't exist. You wouldn't investigate a ghost would you?

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>>83796894
Well *he* did.

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>>83796894
Hmph... Pffft... Skill issue.
Now give grant funds plox!

>>83796910
He investigated something real like 11 herbs and spices to create delicious chicken recipes.

>>83796922
JFC... JFC!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddJHCUmIC8M

>Uh... SYNCHRONICITY!? AT THIS TIME OF YEAR, AT THIS TIME OF DAY, IN THIS OPPOSITE OF THE PSYCHOID, CONSTELLATED ENTIRELY WITH YOUR ARCHETYPES!?
> Yes!
> ...May I see it?
> ...No.

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>(Tada Kanako) In our current rapidly changing world that's overflowing with information, we want you to carve out your future without losing sight of yourself, of your own volition. To speak and act with respect and kindness to others. To seriously face your "true feelings" as "the truth". Things that are by no means easy.
>"Meitantei Precure!" is about seeing, perceiving, thinking for yourself, to find your "true answer". What we want to convey the most in this story is how we should "think things thoroughly on your own" without being swayed by those around us. And the future you reach through this process will be your very own "truth". The "truth" a detective arrives at will never waver. But the "truth" in life is something that can always change in accordance to "yourself".
>Our protagonist Anna travels back in time to 1999. How will she think, judge, and act? And what "truth" will she grasp in the future that is 2027? We would like you to watch with us until the very end.
huh..... magical girls?
Somebody stop these absolutely madmen, what the fuck is this upcoming season lmao. I love it

>>83796964
Kino, already watched it time ago.

therw are so many cute infj boys on pdb why wasnt i doing this is the first place!!
its like mbti tinder

>>83797080
>its like mbti tinder
The very concept of this sounds terrifying on a very fundamental level.
Type matching with a broken mess of a theory, mistypes abound, and generally high levels of ego inflation due to the positive descriptions, what could possibly go wrong?
No seriously just do astrology matching instead, much higher chance for things to work out.

>>83797103
b-but,, the cute iffj boys,,

>>83797135
He will be typed with 16p btw.

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>>83797173
b-bit the anime boys,,,

>>83797177
>Sexuality
>Top laner
He's into BDSM

>>83797188
but he is five foot four and very frail ,,

>>83797188
Actually I think he meant he masturbates to LoL

>>83797199
hhahaahahauHahHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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>>83797103
Obviously it will work with an universal ENFJ-A person- no wait, that'd be harsh anima/animus projection explosion down the road. Well then obviously it will work with barebacking your type - no wait, that's just entrenching the societal deindividuation while you service some anima/animus projection merged with stereotype projection. Well then astrology it i- oh, "practitioners" hide meth in their magic crystal stashes.

>>83797199
Finally a REAL gender