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JEFF VS ELON, WHO WINS? - edition
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Interesting, let's see BO's lander
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https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/2043019415671996663
>Let's do it again!
>A week after successfully launching our fifth Atlas V rocket for Amazon Leo, ULA ground crews have begun preparing for the Leo 6 mission. We will be launching another 29 advanced broadband satellites into space for our customer using the Atlas V 551 rocket later this month.
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>4 /sfg/s in the catalog
good work, men
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"Hey hey! I beg NASA for their mercy and denounce Elon for all his lies. Amen."
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So close
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Do they only post these on their discord? I don't see these on their X account, or their website.
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Recovery team patch
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https://x.com/tszzl/status/2043031958490616299
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NASA soul.
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https://x.com/astro_reid/status/2043029624146505888
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Not seen in this picture. The tweet dates. Why do Elon simps have to always lie? Elon didn't post about the mission until it was mostly over, and then probably because Izzy gave him a come to Jesus talk.
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ayy lmao
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https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2043045231655030821
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https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/53206112789-e5e932c583 -o.jpg
30 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYY4nnfxKbU
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Grok? You're next at bat.
Thanks Coach! Elon Musk first posted about the success of the Artemis II mission on April 8, 2026, by replying to a photo of the Milky Way captured by the crew during their lunar flyby. In his post, he expressed optimism for the future of space exploration, stating, "One day, we will be out there, among the stars".
Think that Godspeed is giving thumbs up to another post, but my Twitter no log in postal doesn't seem to go that far back. Posts limit I guess.
If you have Twitter and feel like searching you could win this one. Play fair. Big screenshot to show exact context of that April 2 post.
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o shit
https://x.com/TJ_Cooney/status/2043024241298125039
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What do I need to know before playing Kerbal?
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deboooonked
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Used my portal tweets and reply tab to scroll way down all the way into April 1, in case there's a time zone thing, and still do not see that Godspeed. That also conflicts will all the press and forum posts about Elon's silence. So, dunno.
I'll open up my Twitter account later and take a look. Don't want to FUD.
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KSP 2 is missing features from KSP 1 and runs like shit, alongside being more jank than its predecessor. Somehow, they were gonna add colony building, interstellar travel, AND multiplayer on top of that.
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>ksp was last updated 2023?
last real update was 1.12 in 2021, the rest were stability patches and an easter egg for the next game
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thing is, all the original devs that made ksp1 left after the sale to t2, and as t2 found out later, most modders can't into coding physics
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The songs they are playing in the return to Houston pre-stream MUST be made by the same guy who did the songs for Ark, there's like no fucking shot it ain't
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Luckily, we have Kitten Space Agency to look forward to as a spiritual successor. The devs are using their own custom game engine and are focusing on the technical side of things first and foremost.
https://x.com/Ahwoo_Official/status/2041576893778923959
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https://x.com/astro_reid/status/2043058823091417542
>Mission complete
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I remember how excited I was when it was announced, my PC back then wasn't even good enough for the assumed specs so I finally upgraded to a new one.
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https://x.com/astro_reid/status/2043028781020123640
>PS- it’s hard not to love this little guy. I cant let Rise out of my sight…currently tethered to my water bottle.
its his now
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NSF: I actually recorded the entire live web stream from before launch all the way until splashdown (it broke mid-way so it's actually split into two streams with a substantial amount of overlap). Total file size of both files together is approximately 70GB. (In 1080p)
Only 70GB for a week of streaming seems remarkably small.
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Glover went around the Moon and the universe increased his anglo perks
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I muted it right away as the cringe started
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>>16956481
You will love the meeting with Trump. They will stand in the oval office while Trump rambles about Iran in his chair.
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>moonjoy
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yea I'm not feeling the term either
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>I want to begin by thanking President Donald Trump
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Reid arrived with his loot
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>no one knows what it's like
>to be a moon man
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Dude I fucking love Victor Glover
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I actually looked into it last week and found this
https://www.fratellowatches.com/the-watches-worn-on-the-nasa-artemis-i i-mission/
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do people really not know what Crew is?
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huh what happened, I muted when the woman bureaucrat started talking
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Highest thrust and chamber pressure at the best possible thrust to weight ratio.
https://x.com/Jordanguidry6/status/2043073457487765624
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Design flaw, want to know what it is? xD
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https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/2043075060877902230
>33 Raptor 3 engines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg
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The size of the engine plume at launch will be hilarious
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https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/2043076623340093456
seems like berger is a bit curious as well
that doesn't really look purely like some discoloring, it looks like a whole
or then there happen to be some black coloring in spots that make it seem like there are shadows in very convenient spots
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Lets design a moon base. I'll kick things off with a critical component.
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>it looks like a hole
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yeah its new I'm pretty sure, like they were installed on the bottom of a dome
like pic is the booster from Flight 6
https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1849943430828523728
>Booster 13 in the air today while being removed from the launch mount after yesterday's static fire test.
>10/25/24
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>Booster 19 raptor engines
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>Superheavy's evolution has been quite something to watch over the years!
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I've quite enjoyed Chris Hadfield's books.
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no one gets left behind
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imagine meeting your gf's dad and it's Reid Wiseman how can you even compete
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It's n the San Diego baywstch.
NSF: Heard the double sonic boom at Point Loma. Was not loud but we heard it. Lots of people there but I think few knew what to listen for. I tried to spot the chutes with binocs but no joy. I was so happy that so many people were trying to participate.
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how the hell did starlink swing that
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>When the adversary relies upon you, you control the adversary.
see: Hormussy
Turkmen dicktaters would be wise to not touch starlink with a ten foot pole, but I hope the rural goat herders can get some access points.
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and also Failure is not an option by Gene Kranz, not an astronaut but still very much on subject
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Read this BBC Pidgin article out loud while doing your best impression of Sebastian from The Little Mermaid.
https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/articles/c1l9zjmgn8mo
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Active scene at Masseys.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg
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testing new tanks?
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https://x.com/davill/status/2043123361258041616
>Here we go, upending tonight.
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>upending
the hurdles men will go through to avoid using the correct term "erecting"
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>Normies already talking about Artemis IV
Holy shit, we are so back!
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So the moon base will be like the new arctic base? Wtf do you do there? WhT do you do in the arctic one as well, for that matter. Also while im retard maxing, I want to ask about why dont they just use like slingshots and shit to fire stuff into space, like angry birds
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https://www.usap.gov/sciencesupport/scienceplanningsummaries/2025_2026 /resources/documents/2025-2026%20Sc ience%20Planning%20Summaries.pdf
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>April 17, 2026, 20:30~
>Live stream from the ISS "Kibo" Japanese Experiment Module
>We'll be carried up by the H3 rocket and HTV-X, and the plushie and acrylic panel have already arrived!
>Maybe we can see Earth from the window?
>Look forward to it
https://x.com/clearusui/status/2042969355500294174
I'm so proud of her.
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Okay thank you for indluging me. I wonder a lot about those wacky alternate forms of Space flight, and if any would actually be viable. Like take piccrelated for instance. The idea is that you get pulled up the track and then dropped in order to gain momentum on the return. I wonder if such a thing could if not replace jet engine launches, at least compliment them in some way
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>the gravity is so low on the moon that penguins could fly for real
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That is where all the dodos went after all
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r8 my napkin drawing for a lunar base (I'm a grocery store worker I am clueless retard)
basically it's a four legged spider robot with mechanics very similar to the manipulator arms of the ISS and spaceshuttle
1 - lands on the four arms, then gently detaches the spent landing module (RCS, now empty fuel tanks, main thruster)
2 - walks off to the basecamp, manoeuvres the cylindical base module in a precise position and detaches it (connects to another module like building the iss) (astronauts prebuilt the foundation that this part drops onto)
4 - the legs just walk away and shut down somewhere, maybe solar panels can recharge its batteries
If this is launched using spacex super heavy booster then I guess the width of the base modules would be like 6 meters, which isn't too bad for living space if you connect like 10 of them up together
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https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1935548909805601020
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Elon's original presentation is nearly a decade old and we still haven't gotten to LEO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7Uyfqi_TE8
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>also what ever happened with the KSP general on vg?
Trust me, you don't wanna know. It was extremely retarded.
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>Starship and Super Heavy move out to continue preflight testing
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>No unexpected conditions were observed. I suspect when the images are released, it will be pretty obvious the stark difference between Artemis I and Artemis II head shield performance.
>As to the question specifically, the discoloration was not liberated material. The white color observed corresponds to the compression pad area and is consistent with the local geometry, AVCOAT byproducts, and transitional heating environments. We observed this behavior in arc jet testing and expected it in this compression pad area.
https://x.com/NASAAdmin/status/2043172376167256396
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Shoutout to Berger for putting the pressure on NASA and kind of prodding them to be the "new transparent" agency they need to be.
And shoutout to Jared for responding and following through.
Good stuff. Not sure how long many of you have been fans of space flight but back in the Shuttle era NASA was very, very transparent. Issues would be addressed to the public almost immediately. That kind of shifted, especially towards the Bolden/Bridenstine/Ballast Bill era where NASA really closed in on itself. Jared is doing a good thing here bringing NASA back to the share-test-share philosophy
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This mission was so kino
Call me gay and retarded but it's unironically given me back some faith in humanity. We can still do things.
The crew was absolutely fantastic, I really don't know how they can top it.
I hope Jared can pull through. we might actually make it bros
Also post future crew proposals
imagine Kim, Pettit, Pesquet, JAXA rep
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Definitely a good thing. I didn't know NASA used to be more transparent. I don't think Berger needs to glaze Jared for it as much but it's certainly good for him to acknowledge it and also ask the questions.
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North of Mons Bradley would be alright, but if you need to retain heat more than dissipate it you're going to want to be at one of the poles so you can stay in sunlight. Building anywhere but the poles would be impossible if you're relying on solar power rather than nuclear.
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Yeah well counterpoint: Jared isn't going on the news and spoonfeeding sensitive information to the talking heads at fox news, he's replying to literal who spitter fags and berger on twitter who are asking good questions
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I think Reid is on record saying he isn't done yet and would like to actually get closer and walk on the Moon. Give it to him.
Matthew Dominick for photography.
Ayu Yoneda because the "first woman and person of color" being a japanese woman would be hilarious and cause maximum seethe
I don't really care for much of the rest of the active astronaut class desu. They have the black female geologist so she is probably a guarantee (more for her degree than her skin color or reproductive organs). I'm surprised they don't have more active geologists to be honest
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>it is non-trivial for SpaceX and Blue Origin to integrate with Orion, which has fairly strict limits for thermal management and other issues. Even ensuring roughly equivalent cabin pressures between two vehicles is a significant task. Completing all of this within the next 12 to 18 months will be a difficult hill to climb.
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https://www.sen.com/video/e1cbd8ed-1363-4a03-a806-7f37c138589e
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If they don't they have no heart
Maybe he has a shot at Artemis III, for the actual landings it's gotta be Dominick
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I think all of this crew have a chance in the future if we really get the Moon base and they deserve to, too, but they're very unlikely to be on the first few landings so I tried to choose others. The backup crew probably has a chance, so instead of a JAXA rep the Canadian backup lady could also get on an early one.
>I'm surprised they don't have more active geologists to be honest
I whittled this list down to four, but for my ESA picks there'd be also Gerst (and Cristoforetti I guess), Gerst is a geophysicist and volcanologist, I think he'd be a good pick. Though I suspect the international astronauts are gonna get to stay in the cuck capsule for the first few landings and Artemis IV is probably going to be three humans and one other country again.
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>Pesquet
Nothing in his wiki article says he's retired so I thought he'd be an option.
>he is OLD
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Hello again /sfg/, did you watch Artemis 2?
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>>16956937
I actually got ordered to stop working early and watch it.
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Thats awesome
>>16956943
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tl;dr, then: stellar remnants like Neutron Stars are susceptible to the same evaporation processes as black holes, and it leaves them with similar life times. If the universe is cyclical, there could still be stellar remnants out there, but only if the cycle rate is less than 10^68 years.
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Grok, help her out.
Okie Dokie! A new study published in the Journal of Cosmology and Astroparticle Physics by three researchers at Radboud University in the Netherlands has dramatically revised our estimate of when the last objects in the universe will cease to exist.
That is a 1 followed by 78 zeros.
It sounds incomprehensibly long, and it is.
But it is also vastly shorter than the previous estimate which is a 1 followed by 1,100 zeros.
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>>16956972
it's literally just regurgitating the first couple lines of the AI site's summary
>>16956971
yes I know, but of the 4 crew which country should be represented besides US
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NASA Administrator Jared Isaacman
I am hesitant to get ahead of a proper data review, but I understand the space community’s curiosity, especially when imagery can give the impression of a problem.
As you would expect, engineers were eager to inspect the heat shield, starting with diver imagery shortly after splashdown and continuing with the review aboard the ship. No unexpected conditions were observed. I suspect when the images are released, it will be pretty obvious the stark difference between Artemis I and Artemis II head shield performance.
As to the question specifically, the discoloration was not liberated material. The white color observed corresponds to the compression pad area and is consistent with the local geometry, AVCOAT byproducts, and transitional heating environments. We observed this behavior in arc jet testing and expected it in this compression pad area.
We will complete a full data review across all systems, including the thermal protection system, and make the results publicly available.
Now our three astronauts are home safe.
Weren't the four astronauts?
No! Three. No more questions.
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Oh no no no redditsisters.
First Victor Glover refuses to say anything about his skin colour, then there were the sayings about God while in space, now this. We just can't stop losing.
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>>16956664
SpaceX is experiencing regression to the mean as it keeps growing headcount
efficient rocket engines are hard to make, SpaceX engineering as a group is not competent enough anymore to understand that efficiency scales with size and reliability scales inversely with number of parts
they should have somewhere between 4 and 9 engines on the booster, they have 33 with the attendant thermodynamic, gas dynamic and reliability issues
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>>16957013
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1775986815091059.webm" target="_blank">https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1775986815091059.webm
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>>16956634
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>>16956397
Watching this nowand its really cool to see the entire room so full of energy and hyping it up. Never seen a press conference so positive.
Spacebros, it feels so good to be winning.
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>>16957034
Why is a martian colony grade starship inherently attached to the superheavy booster? And why are we sending a rocket powered by methalox engines to a celestial body with scant carbon and a merely hypothetical amount of hydrogen and oxygen frozen in the shadows?
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>And why are we sending a rocket powered by methalox engines to a celestial body with scant carbon and a merely hypothetical amount of hydrogen and oxygen frozen in the shadows?
Because we can refuel it in LEO with enough dV to go to LLO, dock with Orion, land, ascend back to LLO, and dock with Orion again. Eventually we could use something like an NEP tug to push filled Starship depots to LLO and reuse the moonships.
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>Booster 19’s grid fins have been tested.
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New Glenn is already launching commercial payloads, where is Starship?
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>>16957013
STS-1 was 45 years ago today
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>>16957227
these two are from station:
https://x.com/Astro_ChrisW/status/2042776054520017214
yours is probably, can't find the tweet tho. check the other 3 American astronauts on stations accounts?
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hmm yeah that one isn't maybe (or I just can't find it on any of the agency flikr feeds), these two are real at least >>16957229
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>>16957167
Getting developed! That's better than working!
Elon promised last year that by last month, Starship would have reached orbit, would be fully reusable and launching weekly.
Yet, here we are. Still no orbit and six months between launches of a ship with a 50% catastrophic failure rate.
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>Home, again! Mission complete. I hope we glorified God, humanity, our families and our terrific teams a @NASA and @csa_asc. Time to share the good news!
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>>16957279
what is happening
https://x.com/RT_com/status/2043315474377654455
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>>16957284
>Science and religion do not in any way exclude each other, but only complement each other
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Normies are ignorant cattle. Just be glad the social media algorithms don't have them rioting in the streets over NASA's non-existent budget because they were convinced space is fake.
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>>16956911
Real working rocket engines for real working rockets. That's the Blue Origin promise.
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For journalists deceiving is like breathing.
Deception for clicks.
Gas Journalists
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Thank you Jeff, for giving mankind the stars!
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lol I think those are just a bunch of space fans
the black woman in the middle was on Inspiration4 (if I'm not completely faceblind)
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For the anon interested in getting the 70 GB A2 stream backup. Found the post. If NSF doesn't publicly host the file, you can sign up for a free tier account and -- I think -- IM that member and see if he'd put up a torrent you could grab.
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To become a success, listen to those who have succeeded.
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Certainly more of a scientist than you:
During his college career, Bruno was an astronomer’s assistant at the Lick Observatory where he focused on collecting spectra from distant galaxies using the Coude telescope in order to measure their rotation.
Now, make up some fake experience so you can say you're a real scientist honest!
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https://x.com/ShorealoneFilms/status/2043372714132722167
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>>16956390
>mentally ill EDS fanfiction gets directly debunked by musk just posting about artemis casually
>has to try and force it anyway
musk is an egotist but you have deepseated mental illness.
>inb4 n-no it's you who is obsessed! y-you love elon because i said you do!
i'm not, thank you for playing.
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why wouldn't starship work?
they're just tweaking plumbing and structure.
we have 11 flights before this showing that the ship re-entry works, re light works, starlink deployment works, re-using first stage works, hot stage works. landing first stage works, precise landing of 2nd stage works.
if it takes to flight 13 versus 16 for it to be 'ready' who the hell cares
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Dr. Yi steadied her breath as the dust of the red planet swirled around the landing craft, a crimson storm bowing to her arrival. The engines fell silent, and for a moment, the vast red planet seemed to hold itself in anticipation. Then, with deliberate resolve, she stepped onto the rust-colored soil,her boot imprinting not just the ground, but history itself. The planet stretched endlessly before her, a frontier no longer distant but claimed through courage, discipline, and vision. Behind her visor, her eyes burned with quiet determination; she carried with her the strength and ambition, a force that had propelled her across the void. The radio cracked with booming voice as she rammed the flag pole into the ground: "Women once held up half the sky, today they haved reached beyond it and claimed the stars."
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>>16957013
Neat. I always remember the date because I got this little knick-knack from my grandad when he died. clearly Russian (the smoke says mir) and I assume contemporary.
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I just found a recording of Endeavour on the carrier flying over my school on my PS Vita
Yes, I used my Vita as a camera unironically as a kid...
Anyway, it made me realize that my current outlook about human spaceflight is the most optimistic it's ever been. Seeing America tear down their crewed spaceflight program during my formative years really put a damper on that for a while.
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I don't think you understand that time and their launch infrastructure is no longer something they can afford to lose. They need to get this vehicle flying and operational, now. No more performance tweaking, that has to take a backseat in priority. Artemis III is just around the corner, they need to launch their upgraded Starlink sats for cashflow, and they need to get the depots/orbital refueling working.
They are going to have to settle with the performance Starship is currently capable of outputting, and will improve upon it, when time is no longer against them.
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>>16957431
>if i intentionally misrepresent your argument i win!
no.
>going to LEO
>near-LEO speed suborbital arc to the south indian ocean
effectively the same thing from a delta-v standpoint, i understand that being reminded of this makes certain groups of people irrationally angry for some reason, but that will not stop it from being true.
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the goalpost for starship haters will continue to move further and futher away as the program becomes more and more succesful.
i remember the era where all the naysayers were claiming
>umm actually it will literally never work because using more than 9 rocket engines on a 1st stage is impossible and it will instantly crash actually, just look at N1!
starship could fill up an orbital depot and hit 20x succesful first and second stage re-uses and they'd move the goalpost again. feels like it's more of an emotional response towards elon than anything else, i don't like him either but my IQ is high enough that i can keep technical opinions and judgements of character seperate.
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From a Delta Vee standpoint they're the same thing!!!
Grok, is she right.
Obviously not. What a silly little miss.
A trip around the Moon requires 12,000–13,000+ m/s (launch to orbit + 3.2 km/s injection), whereas a ballistic arc from Texas to the Indian Ocean (sub-orbital) requires only 1.5–3 km/s
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Yes, everyone is being so unfair to your boyfriend Elon. Meanwhile, 10 to 20 years of development, depending on how you count. And Starslip still has a demonstrated 50% catastrophic failure rate and hasn't gone further than a ballistic arc to Ceylon with zero cargo.
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>grok is so retarded it isn't capable of understanding the difference between a near orbital velocity trajectory and a LEO trajectory and just defaults to the moon instead
either that or the poster is a facetious retard and intentionally asked for a comparison to a lunar trajectory when that wasn't even the argument being presented.
>whereas a balllistic arc requires only 1.5-3 km/s
also a wrong comparison starship wasn't in a ballistic arc, it was going near orbital velocity, pretty much the only thing it didn't do was a circularisation burn.
i honestly feel bad for people like this who let their obsessions drive themselves out of reality like this, AI is only making it worse by catering to their delusions.
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>n-no u
that is what you keep doing, yes, very mentally ill behaviour, you need to take your medication.
>always a snappy comeback
i'm not the one who sounds like a woman on her period, anon, that's you.
why do you spend every waking moment obsessing over elon musk, wouldn't you like to discuss his companies for a change? this is an aerospace thread not a "musk lives rent free in my head every day" thread.
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>the data destroyed my argument
it didn't do that
don't forget to actually greentext next time, you were so angry you forgot to do so.
>spacex suborbital tests: near orbital
>IFT-4 (June 6, 2024): Similar to IFT-3, the upper stage reached over 26,000 km/h (approx. 7.3–7.4 km/s) and successfully completed its mission profile before reentry
>orbital velocity: 7.8 km/s
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That's not why we have an asteroid belt. Jupiter shepherds a lot of asteroids into those orbits, but the main belt itself is thought to have been formed by a planetary collision that completely obliterated a couple of decently large bodies early in the solar system's formation. The asteroid 16 Psyche is thought to be the iron rich core of one of them.
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According to the Nice model Jupiter and Saturn are why the asteroids hit us though
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Just wanted to say thank you all for your enthusiasm. Been following these threads since the launch. As someone who works on Orion, the general public’s reaction has been wonderful. It’s made the years of work worth while. Inspiration is a two way street. Now I want to work even harder on Artemis 3!
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>>16957487
>protects the inner planets
I thought based on recent research it can just as likely slingshot things towards the inner planets as it is to protect them.
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2008epsc.conf..785H/abstract
>It was immediately obvious, however, that the old idea that Jupiter shields us from impacts no longer holds
Actually this is fucking ancient and the account you're following is some fucking shitter.
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>>16957494
I swear there was a hostile takeover of sorts in NASA shortly following Apollo. The guys who ran the Space Shuttle STS program created the mediocrity of NASA today. It reminds me of how Halo totally fell off when 343 took over, becuase they never really knew why Halo was good, and insofar as they did know they actively disliked those aspects. Similarly, the new blood in NASA following Apollo hated the military culture of the organization, and strived to make spaceflight as boring as a commute to the office. Old NASA had the kind of attitude that fighter pilots during the Korean war had. Everyone knew the danger, but the task must be done. New NASA saw but didn't understand this culture, and adopted a cavalier facade. Insofar as they understood the culture they wanted to purge the military elements, including in the crews of the missions. Then they were totally shocked when challenger exploded, and because they had become a safe for work office culture rather than a military organization they immediately became so risk intolerant that the entire STS program was crippled and impossible to fix.
We will never conquor the universe unless we look to space with the same tenacity and willingness to die in the pursuit of that goal that soldiers did in the first world war.
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heat shield bros... the fuck is this? I thought Lockmart had NO idea what they're doing and that oldspace has failed
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nobody said oldspace had failed at doing oldspace things at oldspace cadence and oldspace cost, they're just not meaningfully pushing any technology forward, which will mean they get left behind by the new players as their systems come online.
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https://www.nature.com/articles/nature13539
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>>16957484
It's a mix of people who lost obscene amounts of money shorting Tesla stock, and Communists. The Communists come in several flavors:
>"waah space exploration should be done by the government"
>"waah Elon is a mean stinky chud"
>"waah we should be spending that money on Somali learing centers"
>"waah why couldn't the Soviets have beaten NASA to the moon"
>Chinese Communist Party members
>Jeff
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>chinese party members
alongside those, you also have similar but distinct people who simply want the US and the west by extension to fail, even though they live in the US. they have become sour and contrarian, the grass looks greener on the other side and china tries to present itself as a utopia to the outside world.
to these people, and the aforementioned literal wumao's and communist party members, spacex is the greatest threat/competition that the US currently has to offer to chinese expansion into space, so it makes sense that all of their propaganda efforts are focused on discrediting that in particular.
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It was the result of many different things. Budget cuts, Space Shuttle being poorly thought out and designed, fear of losing astronauts, old guard moving on after Apollo. NASA had a rise and fall that is practically unparalleled.
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I apologize, but it was supposed to launch in 2017/2018 and so once Starship starts working (even if it, too, is delayed and takes a long time) I will retract my NASA apology and go back to saying SLS is a shit bloated jobs program that is no longer required
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>>16957565
its actually zero delays, SpaceX hasn't been the long pole yet
it might be for Artemis 3, but we don't know that yet
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I'm convinced he did that because he accidentally began to Believe® in The System®, and the aforementioned melty was him going through the five stages of grief. Eventually he returned to baseline, but that reentry was pretty rough.
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>SpaceX hasn't been the long pole
You are high as hell.
The entire reason why Artemis has taken so long between flight 1 and 2 is that everybody knows there is zero prospect of the HLS being made ready any time soon, so why rush anything and then have a gigantic delay between Artemis 2 and 3?
Even with Artemis taking the slow walk like a 90 year old escaping a care home, there is still no prospect of Starship HLS being read within the next 3 years. That is the sole reason why Artemis 3 has been changed into an orbital rendevouz, since docking with a boilerplate HLS in LEO is far more realistic than the fully functional Staarship HLS landing on the moon any time in this decade.
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>7.4 km/s
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I’ll keep reminding you since it mindbreaks you so hard for no reason at all.
>waaaah this revolutionary launch vehicle that is doing everything differently and actually pushing technology forward is harder to do than just recreating an apollo capsule!
Even if starship is fully operational 5 years from now, it will still be a massive leap forward and a huge success, while SLS and orion will remain as ghosts of the past, 60’s designs rebuilt with 2010’s mindset and doomed to be never reach more than like 10 flights.
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I'm so great. You're just envious.
Really going to enjoy seee this narcotic swilling tool going to federal prison. Probably have to wait until the Democrats take the White House after 2028 so Trump doesn't just issue another corrupt pardon to a financial donor. We'll wait.
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I think Jared wants to do Sharty III as fast as possible i.e. next year and offloading Orion to some other commercial vehicle would just take too long to ready up versus going with the next SLS that can do it next year.
SLS will for sure be used for Artemis III and the landing mission IV.
V and beyond is where it starts to get hazy I think. They can talk about killing it after they get through the next two missions
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>hell yeah
>look at this thing
>we actually did it
>>16957604
Scamming taxpayers is never punished, but only rewarded. Elon wanted to end the scams and the entire US government told him to go fuck himself.
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>>16957604
Boeing took the money for that NASA space mini van or whatever that program was, refused to deliver anything because they'd lose money, then not only didn't NASA take them to court, NASA let them keep the money. Just shameless.
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Imagine you spend your entire life working in the field of rocketry, specifically rocket engine engineering and design. You belong to a company with institutional knowledge stretching as far back as NASA existed. Or, at a minimum, is largely staffed by greybeards who were from early Shuttle. You should in theory be so close to your competitors in what it is you produce that the actual selection process for your shared customer base comes down to who can schmooze and booze better than the other guys. Not who has the better tech because you're functionally all equal. Then there is this one company, this one group of assholes, who you look at as being run by a retard that made the most advanced rocket engine ever produced, not once, but three times and it's the same engine competing against itself.
I think it was Berger who coined that term. SpaceX isn't competing against the rest of the launch market, they are competing against themselves. Everyone else just has to live in that world and seethe knowing they'll never approach that level of greatness in the very same field they went to school for, studied for years for, interned for, learned on the job for decades, and still they can only dream of producing something like Raptor v1, Raptor v3 is alien technology, transparent aluminum from the future, etc.
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>>16957618
And the engine still exploded during testing this week. Which doesn't seem "alien time traveler level technology". Seems exactly the crap a factory turns out when the boss if off getting wasted and chasing after other things.
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>I'm surprised they don't have more active geologists to be honest
I browse /sci/ and I'm biased toward more scientists on the moon but pragmatically, I see lunar geology as a reeeeeally big stretch to anything important for humanity. They're not going to discover the next civilization-wrecking solar flare that hasn't happened yet from moon rocks. Anything they do discover will not be relevant within the remaining shelf life of humanity.
I will consoom the science reports when they come out from Artemis. The flyby observations were nice but they were overlapping with information we had 55 years ago. I love lunar geography. I don't understand enough geology. That's the only ology you can describe a lifeless rock with until lunar geopolitics become necessary.
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>>16957624
there has notbeen a single operational starship launch. just launches of shitty completely non functional prototypes, where actually making it to the sea is an achievement. The houthis in Yemen have more reliable ballistic rockets than Starship.
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Alright so at what point in the Starship program does everyone calm down and stop acting like they've lost their heads? What will it take to appease you?
Orbit? Fuel transfer? Being ready in time for a successful Artemis III earth orbit checkout? Lunar demo?
You have faced a year and a half of delays and suddenly you act like retards
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>>16957642
If musk was still living at starbase and running the place like a slave shop I’d be fine. It doesn’t help that he’s just focused on the IPO and he got oneshotted by grok making gay little funko pop character videos. Hes checked out. Or at least that is the current vibe
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I understand superposition. I understand that a timeline of events in the rest of the solar system is on time scales far too cosmic to have any effect on our decisions because I pray we aren't around that long. I will not flatten the curve and wear the mask based off a moon rock
At best the events would make it into the next edition of a science textbook. If schools use books anymore.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZkTyEe7DfY
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>>16957671
NASA has been watching Alex Jones motivational clips at their weekly meetings. They cannot be stopped. They will not be stopped.
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>>16957695
it has been a hot decade since I've watch ed this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODZE5peUfWQ
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I had a weird dream. A friend and me decided to build a Mercury probe but there was a girl who constantly annoyed us, so I threw sand in her food which made her mad. Later her house burned down and she asked to sleep in my house but I imagined it as very annoying so I said no and she got so mad that I feared she will destroy our Mercury exploration plan.
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Anon who's tracking the remaining Apollo era astronauts, could you post the current chart for the occasion? I want to see who's still around.
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>>16957729
>a shitpost
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>>16957730
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>>16957594
i’m pretty sure “i think we can” is not “i promise and swear on my heart, little anon, that i will hit your goalpost at this time”.
You’ve created this image in your head that he swore something to you in a blood oath, complications arise, deadlines slip, if you want to use that as an excuse to feed your EDS, go right ahead.
>>16957595
>moving the goalpost
More like, there is no goalpost, you are the ones who obsess over it, all the engineers working at spacex just want to get it done period, sooner rather than later but doing it at all is the challenge because it’s extremely difficult.
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Quality kino post, the first seethe response is indicative of the very thing you were describing. spacex being willing to take higher risks of damage during engine testing and pushing their engines to the limit because they’re churning them out so fast that they consider them obsolete already is a mindbreak for the average rocket engineer working at other companies.
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>>16957631
Reminder
>starship test velocity: 7.4 km/s
>orbital velocity: 7.8 km/s
Starship is orbital and the extremely cautious modern NASA mentality is the only reason they’re not allowed to circularize until they’ve done extensive deorbit burn tests.
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>>16957815
He's probably picked up a lot of it over the years by being the ceo of the most successful space company. Don't be surprised, a lot of entrepreneurs aren't really technical. Their talents lie in how to manage and organize other smart technical people.
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Many people who have worked for musk, many of whom don’t necessarily have a positive relationship with him, still praise his engineering skills regardless, mueller is just one amongst many. I really don’t know what level of mental gymnastics it takes to ignore all of that anecdotal evidence or pretend all of them are being blackmailed, many of them have zero connections to his companies anymore.
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>>16957850
No doubt Musk is a good intuitive decision maker in the same vain as Hitler. Like Hitler though, he made a string of good calls and then develops a sort of god complex and begins making bad calls without listening to feedback or learning from his mistakes.
It is also a violation of contract for Mueller to say anything which could be construed as disparaging toward SpaceX, so it is impossible for him to be critical. He has a vested interest because he owns millions of dollars of SpaceX stock which could be taken from him if he goes mask off. Ultimately it's best to watchwhat people do and not what they say. Mueller was a key archetect of Falcon and Starlink, and then quit over Starship. His company Impulse space is designed to not rely on Starship at all, which doesn't inspire confidence in how sucessful he truly beleives Starship will be.
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>>16957873
I think Elon is a great man of history like Hitler. Comparing him to Hitler is not supposed to be a bad thing, it's just an apt comparison. I don't view Hitler as the devil incarnate like most still do. They are very similar people, Hitler had aspergers and switch up to demon mode just like elon (maybe bpd). Both fostered immense cults of personality and were intutive commanders who shook the world with their decisions, but their egos grew with every success.
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>>16957885
I wish Hitler had cared half as much about rocketry as he did about expanding local living space.
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>>16957886
He cared enough. He knew he needed to realistically cancel the program as it was a vampire on resources, that were growing extremely scarce. But von Braun marched in and pleaded his case an Hitler said okay you have made your point, the rocketry shall continue
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>>16957902
Nope. Gotta wait 2 more weeks. Then rollback. Then 2 more weeks. Then roll to pad for more tests. Then rollback back to giga bay. Then 2 more weeks. Then roll to pad. Figure out B19 has a critical design flaw and rebuild a new booster from scratch in 6 weeks. Then do the above again. Then, right as B19.5 is about to be finished, rupture a COPV at masseys so they have to spend 8 weeks making a new masseys. Use the funds accumulated from the nearest Grok datacenter ($0,000,000) to pay for it.
We are going to get to orbit by 2030 bros, I have never been so excited for spaceflight.
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>>16957577
we only have the massive Starship-based lander because nobody else submitted a more reasonable bid. It would have been useful if one of the big contractors had simply said "fuck, it worked before, let's just do the Apollo lander again" at least as a reference proposal.
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>>16957931
most what up? Junk?
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>>16957944
Yes. I'm glad we're on the same page.
>>16957945
he has not put most humans up. Typical EDS delusion.
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>>16957948
>spacex got the most starships up
what a self own keke
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>>16957941
whatever they want
>>16957948
i wonder when you retards will get tired of this faggy meme argument. not soon enough unfortunately.
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>>16957940
>i'm a whiny baby suffering from EDS
everyone knows
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>>16957954
yeah and I've flown more estes kits than both of them combined. doesn't mean much when neither my cardboard toys or starship are delivery payloads and SLS sent men* to the moon.
*and a woman and a canadian
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>>16957953
>whatever they want
why does spacex only want to put up junk?
>i wonder when you retards will get tired of pointing out facts that make me seethe
Never.
>>16957954
also less orbits than SLS will ever have.
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>>16957834
Soviet cosmonauts Georgy Beregovoy and Pavel Popovich present a hunting rifle as a gift to Neil Armstrong. June 1, 1970.
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>>16957885
The label is different but that doesn't matter. Hitler was the leader and figurehead of a movement and then a country, Musk was the leader and figurehead of a few small companies and now a business empire. The two shared many traits which made each sucessful.
>>16957886
Would have been nice.
If he had just not invaded Poland then we could have had a space race between many European powers at once. The scramble for Africa but in space. It would have been so good, Britain, France, Germany, all with their own manned spaceflight programs along with the USSR and USA.
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>>16957910
SpaceX could have 100% built the Artemis lander by now if it was Dragon and Falcon derived tech. They could have done it within the 3 billion budget too. I understand why Elon said fuck that and only offered Starship, but he has definitely jeopardised the Artemis timeline by doing so. Yeah the other companies are trash, but that is no excuse for SpaceX to offer nonsense proposals.
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>>16957910
Translated. Elon submitted a low ball bid with unrealistic performance and sched. That has been demonstrated by the failures of the Starslip program.
The real scandal is why NASA gave them the contract. Government doesn't have to take the low bid if it's a bad bid. Hopefully a hearing in the next Congress finds out.
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>>16957986
>the point is to build a base
people say that but there are zero plans to actually build a base. The primary goal of Artemis is to land on the moon and repeat Apollo, before China.
Base building probably wont happen and is secondary. Since SpaceX was developing Starship anyway, how about build a cheap little lander for the first missions and then once Starship is ready some time in the early 2030s start using that. SpaceX would not be losing resources from Starship because Dragon and Falcon are completely separate systems and teams from Starship. Starship will need a near perfectly flat and ideally prepared landing zone or it will definitely tip over, smaller more sensible landers could be used to prepare the base buuilding site.
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>>16958006
no, at that point they demonstrate its solved but they might very well have enough data at this point to be confident they have it
orbital flight was never a problem however much the retard here (maybe including you?) thinks it is (or pretends to think? I don't know anymore) and moving fluid from a tank to another was already tested with starship on one of the flights
if the method they use is "easy" and expected to work at larger scale, then the thing that remains is rendevouzing the tanker and depot, but that is also something that SpaceX has plenty of experience with from Dragon
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>>16958009
moving fluid from a tank to another was already tested
If it's not moved to or from Depot or another ship, they haven't demonstrated refuelling.
Now, post "that's not important! " and we'll move the discussion along.
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>Eclipse is getting a fresh look! Firefly and Northrop Grumman are redefining what's possible in medium-lift launch, and this game-changing rocket deserves a livery that matches.
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>>16958026
hell yeah we reclining
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>Contact and capture of the Cygnus spacecraft with Canadarm2 on the International Space Station at 12:19 pm CT (1:19 pm ET / 1719 UTC) as the ISS was flying just off the southwest tip of the African continent.
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>>16958030
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2043751838231716171
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>>16957999
See >>16957850
The fact that someone can be both an egotistical asshole and a good engineer at the same time is really hard for you to understand, isn’t it?
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>>16958048
>n-no u
You are pretending to be retarded online because you are extremely desperate for attention. This why you keep lying, why you keep misrepresenting wrguments, why you’re so passive-aggressive, you pretend to be retarded like this because you want to fill a crater in your soul, you never learned how to communicate with people normally and gain positive attention, so you seek it in negative form.
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>>16957988
Truth. It's obvious that Elon's bid was playing by different rules to theothers and that's why it seemed better. Elon's bid was total fiction while the others had a semblance of reality so looked more bleak. But in reality the national team lander would be ready within the next 2 years if it had been selected. Meanwhile, starship is going to get beaten out by the BO lander.
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>>16958053
>i-it’s not me!
Sure it is, anon.
Anyway, pointing out mentally ill, irony-poisoned attention-seeking behaviour does not in any way indicate i am having a melty, it indicates that i’m observing someone else’s.
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he uses infantile baby-speak
he's been seething about spacex daily for well over a year now.
Pic related. It's not the oldest but sharing your EDS on christmas is just fucking sad lmao.
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>>16958056
No, elon’s bid was actually the only one following the rules, but being a newfag, you roobably don’t know this.
The alpaca was literally negative mass, AKA it had negative payload, so a physically impossible design.
Blue origin’s lander has numerous design flaws and more importantly, they intentionally and KNOWINGLY bid above what they knew NASA’s budget for HLS to be, hoping to get gibs. When nas went with the only reasonable proposal, and at the time the only one with any hardware work done: spacex. Blue threw a hissyfit and managed to force congress to give the HLS program enough money for a second lander through a round of lobbying and crybullying.
You being such a newfag that you don’t even remember this happening means you deserve infinite bullying.
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>>16958066
>he's STILL projecting his traumas
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no you just don't GET IT
starship is perfectly fine elon is a genius everything is going well well well!
MAKE MARS GREAT AGAIN 2025
STOP pointing out the major design flaws, unreached milestones, untested systems! YOURE NITPICKING EDS EDS
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>>16958078
> no you just don't GET IT
starship is perfectly fine elon is a genius everything is going well well well!
MAKE MARS GREAT AGAIN 2025
STOP pointing out the major design flaws, unreached milestones, untested systems! YOURE NITPICKING EDS EDS
Who are you quoting?
Nobody said any of this, why are you quoting an imaginary caricature inside your head that doesn’t exist?
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>>16958078
Remember this guy is totally calm and all the starship enjoyers are the ones who are seething according to himself lmao.
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>>16958083
you're so right xisters! starship is perfectly functional! it only explodes every other time!
but don't worry, Elon-sama has it under control!
OCCUPY MARS 2026
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>>16958091
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>>16958097
There is one 1 mentally ill retard who thinks he is merely pretending to be a retard by acting like an obnoxious musk-obsessed EDSer ITT, and that it does not make him an actual retard (it does).
Everyone else is making fun of him for having a melty rn.
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Thank you Jeff, for giving America the stars.
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>>16958112
To build an affordable, sustainable presence on the Moon, we must learn to live off the land. Air Pioneer is a scalable, modular system that creates purified oxygen to reduce dependency on supplies from Earth. Using Moon-extracted oxygen for propellant, fuel cells, and breathing reduces our lunar landers’ load by many metric tons of mass. Launching less mass from Earth lowers the cost of our Moon base, fueling a future cislunar economy.
Muskonauts will have to hold their breath until they get back to Earth.
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Thank you Elon, for giving America the indians.
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>>16958117
>Muskonauts
Okay everybody were back to his standard formula of:
[Tag someone's post]
[Generic smug reply]
[Reddit space]
[One line finisher, heh gottem]
Please respond to his bait posts normally and ignore the melty, thank you.
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With Artemis II complete, we’re preparing to roll Artemis III into the VAB. Artemis III will rendezvous with our partners in earth orbit as we continue building toward the @NASAMoonBase
Artemis 3 launches before Starship reaches orbit. No Moonship for the docking test. That's going to hurt someone.
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>use > to indicate you are quoting something please
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>>16958137
I would say SpaceX should launch a boilerplate moonship which is just a crudely retrofitted Starlinkship, but they can't even orbit so Artemis 3 would be very hazardous docking with a suborbital ship, probably spinning out of control too due to some looney tunes pipe explosion for the 5th time. It would be kind of like that scene in interstellar.
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>the Artemis crew are all jacked
https://youtu.be/fM4G9zXtPtg?si=AtxrNmWGRR4wv8dZ
Well fuck me man, some people really are just superior.
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>>16958150
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It'd be fucking hilarious if BO managed to get to Mars before they did. Or at least was pivotal in setting up much more infrastructure to make long term missions there viable.
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>>16958209
Crazy how a dog couldn’t even begin to comprehend where she had been. Hell, a dolphin, an elephant, an octopus, a bonobo or chimp… I don’t think any species other than human can even comprehend the idea of “going to the moon”
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>>16958218
sometimes I think about how much smarter than any other animal humans are. people will say "dolphins are so smart" or "pigs are smarter than your dog" but humans are still leaps and bounds smarter than any of them. an autistic twelve year old is probably 5 steps above the smartest non human.
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>>16958218
Humans indeed are a freak of nature. The smartest of the great apes beside humans are overall more stupid than a human with downes syndrome. It's quite crazy to think about. Perhaps some types of whale get a fraction of a way to human cognition, but they will simply vanish into the dustbin of evolutionary history rather than ever develop spaceflight. Rare Earth and rare intelligence make it very possible that we are the only one in the galaxy.
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>K-12
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>>16958225
Sucks we only have a sample size of one (1) planet with known life, but “life” is probably already rare. Sentience very well could be basically unheard of in terms of probability. Yet we are here, so it is nonetheless at least possible within the realms of waves and matter and energy & the laws of physics/chemistry we were given
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We potentially have Mars too, which indicates that the condiitons for life may be fleeting. Earth not only remaining habitable but evolving over time in a direction that promoted the rise of sentience is absurd. The orbit of the moon and composition of the atmosphere have even changed broadly in lockstep with what would be needed to maintain constant surface temperature relative to the growing solar luminosity.
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hold my beer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGH9EBBUZ20
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>They seem to be doing a repeat of Booster 19's first testing campaign on the pad. 19 did a spin prime yesterday and an igniter test today which means the static fire should likely be tomorrow. There's also a chance Ship 39 could perform a static fire today since it supposedly performed a spin prime and igniter test already.
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>do you know who that is?
laundromat operator
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You doubt someone can learn rocket engineering just by intermittently speaking to someone who actually does it for years? Bet you want some doctor who went to medical school instead of figuring things out for yourself.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dhlicgysikc
It workz
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>>16958249
Am I being stupid? Can this area handle a static fire? I feel like it's not the right place for it.
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>>16958315
there is a flame trench under it (you can see it right at the start of the video below)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu16K_AMuaY
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I just found this channel, guy is super smart anddworth watching https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dhlicgysikc
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>>16958327
That high hem does not cut a flattering figure.
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>>16958321
yung elon
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>Artemis
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>>16958302
So you just make your own vacuum before going into the vacuum anyway? so you solved nothing. Airlock is just a billion dollar earth-based vacuum-washer-dryer :/
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https://x.com/raz_liu/status/2043885045514150253
>According to this red banner. The CZ-10B first stage will do a full verification flight including the landing/cable barge recovery. And the naming convention different from classic Y~ to X~. May be a new naming convention to count the reused times.
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>>16958175
It is a dark time in /sfg/ history that some ironic shartyteen newfag doesn’t even know what went down during the original HLS selection process.
His melty was funny though, retards pretending to be retarded usually end up revealing themselves to be actual retards like that.
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>>16957969
Looks like a shotgun to me.
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>>16958385
>Greeting them with a satanic hand gesture
>They really went to the Moon and it isn't an occult fooling ritual!
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>>16958341
>Go all the way to the moon
>Bring a fucking car with you
I love the rover so much bros. I was somewhat dismayed to learn that while Artemis IV will in fact also be bringing a rover... it's a small autonomous surveyor.
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>>16958265
Argument from incredulity is invalid.
The fact that people are seriously ignoring all of the evidence that he’s at least a competent engineer because of “why i never!” feels truly goes to show that being a dick is extremely damaging to your life.
You have swaths of people jumping over themselves to deny that reality because he’s an unlikeable ass with bad social skills.
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>Hmmm I want good deals with SpaceX for my company, so I will say something nice about Elon
>Hmmm I want to be included in the Mars plans so I better say Elon is a great engineer when asked
Also remember when Elon pretended to be a top gamer?
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>>16958408
After a little dig I think you're right
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>>16958389
space rover is undisputably awesome
but desu it feels a bit... overkill?
the astronauts won't be making far trips from the lander due to safety concerns
is it really worth launching all that weight just so they can save themselves some hopping?
dunno, maybe I'm ignorant, but a car feels like a luxury more than a necessity, much as I would like it to be otherwise
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>americans hate walking so much they bring a car to the moon
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>>16958446
I’m sure the Chinese will walk everywhere on the moon, wait they won’t because ground transportation is a rational tool of exploration
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>>16958438
sure the range from the LM was limited by what they could walk back from in case of failure, but the LRV massively increased what they could get done within the permitted area.
look at the shitshow of that hand cart they tried on 14.
anyway, it was a dream of Von Brauns so that makes it ok no matter what.
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Apollo 13 really is a crazy story, and an impressive manually calculated & piloted burn with the LM engine to try and course-correct back to Earth. Most kerbal shit ever. They had to line up with the terminator and count on their omega watches
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>>16958479
apollo 10 is more impressive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOsQbd8lDtg
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>>16958481
>pushed away the LM during separation by leaving just enough air in the airlock to act as a thruster
This was actually an accidental lesson from Apollo 11.
Apollo 11 LEM detatched from the command module without fully depresurising the airlock, so they got an impulse which Houston didn't know about. that's why Armstrong had to manually course correct, because the impulse set them on a course for bad terrain
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>>16958452
>perun
Into the Trash it goes
>>16958492
shitposting on /sci/ won't save you from
bussification mykola
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>>16958446
It's because they still weigh 1000N even in 1/6 of Earth's gravity
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>>16958452
thanks for sharing, didn't know the aussie intel god was interested in spaceflight. Also kek at the seething rushit samefag.
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>>16958503
random seething at perun without any actual reasoning is always amusing, i guess in a world of <60 second videos his extremely long-winded deep dives are probably beyond the attention span of most people, that and he doesn't lick putin's toes like he's a strategic mastermind and the ukraine kerfuffle is all going according to his masterplan.
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>>16958512
which is the height of arrogance because they knew exactly how big the HLS budget was and yet still bid higher than that. this with a design that was already known to have flaws that would fuck with it's ability to communicate back to earth before it was even actually built.
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>>16958489
What was up with John Young shitting and ripping ass all over the Moon?
https://youtu.be/Uuv6TVv0r44
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https://x.com/konstructivizm
Nice. Big space account passing complete bullshit as real. Account has SVP of Falcon and Dragon Jon Edwards following, embarrassing. I'm sure the everything app will take measures.
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>>16958525
Oh my.
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I guess once you become a multi-millionaire / billionaire you are intrinsically fiscally responsible and count the pennies—but it’s surprising someone hasn’t just had asked Musk to launch a blue ghost type small lander to Mars. Or a venus probe with a camera. Just something small and simple on a F9
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>maybe they should have just [EDS fanfiction]
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>ELON ELON ELON OH HOW DOES ELON PLAY INTO THIS I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT ELON I HATE ELON SO MUCH ELON ELON ELON
why do you get so angry when other companies get outcompeted by spacex and start making up fantasies to cope? they're all companies anon, they're not anime girls that will give you a hug and affection if you support them, you're not being objective, mostly because of your extremely unhealthy obsession with one antisocial autist.
>>16958534
indeed it didn't, which is why spacex won, because they were the only realistic bid, i get that you're a newfag and you never read the HLS selection documents, but come on man, a little effort goes a long way.
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>>16958564
Elon didn't lie! He -- just didn't okay.
Moonship was already to have been finished and done an unmanned test landing on the Moon by now. The Musk grift continues until he's no longer under paid Republican protection.
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The modern Prometheus Jeff Bezos continues his quest to give Mankind the stars:
Over at the Port, Blue Origin recovery vessel, Jacklyn, is departing ahead of Friday’s New Glenn launch… meanwhile, over at SLC-36, New Glenn (with its flight-proven first stage) has been venting! Static Fire today??
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>who cares about moon mars is the goal spacex most mass to leo starship will be better when it finally goes to space in ten decades kardashev 2 new glenn is a fake hologram trust elon patriots in control miga etc etc
the usual
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Re: the NG booster reflight:
With our first refurbished booster we elected to replace all seven engines and test out a few upgrades including a thermal protection system on one of the engine nozzles. We plan to use the engines we flew for NG-2 on future flights.
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>The White House announced a policy for nuclear power in space. It will power robots and eventually humans on the moon, Mars, and beyond.
>The policy directs NASA and the Pentagon to develop and test low-to-mid power space reactors for use in orbit and on the lunar surface by 2028-2030. The goal is to have high-power reactors ready by the 2030s.
>NASA has 30 days to start work on a 20kW reactor, with a lunar version. The Pentagon will support this and then run its own competition.
>The policy aims to get nuclear power systems flying in space as soon as possible, learning from past failures.
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>a 20kW reactor
Weak. The French nuclear submarine power plants(K15 and K22) have anywhere from 150MW to 220MW.
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If true, this rules out Watkins as the first DEI on the Moon, for Artemis IV.
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>>16958589
at least they admit NERVA and JIMO were failures. Hate when ppl use those two projects as examples of successful space nuclear engineering...
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>>16958600
you can probably delete russia from that plan
>where do you even get all that coolant water
in-situ, there's a ton of it in the permanently shadowed areas and underground-they're going to scout for it in a few months
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>>16958597
The date the launch is happening is late 2026, if no delay happens. Once launched, the mission duration plus the recovery period, after you return, removes you from the list of eligible astronauts because this scheduling conflicts with the training for the Artemis IV mission, which is extensive and long.
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The road has been reopened after what looked to have been a test abort at the start of propellant loading meaning that's it for the day for Booster 19 testing.
Abort is better than explode. I guess.
Still waiting to see if Deathship does anything interesting.
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https://www.sierraspace.com/press-releases/sierra-spaces-dream-chaser- spaceplane-successfully-completed-m ilestone-at-nasas-kennedy-space-cen ter/.
>Dream Chaser has successfully completed acoustic testing at @NASA
's Kennedy Space Center's Space Systems Processing Facility.
>The spacecraft successfully withstood the intense vibrations produced from sound waves during a rocket launch as it prepares for its first flight to Low Earth Orbit (LEO).
Dreamchaser lives!!
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Xi appreciates /sfg/
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>President Donald J. Trump signed into law S. 3971, the Small Business Innovation and Economic Security Act, which reauthorizes and reforms the Small Business Innovation Research (SBIR) and Small Business Technology Transfer (STTR) programs.
>Historically this service has funded research in space-based refueling, deployable solar arrays, novel propulsion systems, software-defined radios, and deep-space navigation
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>>16958569
>elon didn’t lie
Correct, and neither did spacex
Elon is not spacex, spacex bid on the contract, elon is just one part of spacex, neither lied in their HLS selection, you need to calm down and stop seething.
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>>16958575
Why is this guy so angry? I think he might be a little too obsessed with elon musk to make honest judgements.
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>where will we all go?
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>>16958590
Isn't that the geologist lady Anon was talking about? Bit of a shame then desu
>>16958606
Aw come on, Cristoforetti would be alright.
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>>16958708
There is not a hard border between atmosphere and space.
>>16958713
>they should have won
They should have bid Blue Moon Mk2 back then instead of having been shamed into doing more than the bare minimum for a bootprint and flag mission.
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>>16958737
I got you senpai
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