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/sfg/ - Spaceflight General
SO PRETTY edition
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I liek this 1
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There's been a push for the last few years for generals to "go go go", usually led by a single obstonent anon claiming the title of OP when nobody else wants him to, making new threads often and rapidly.
I think Hiro is behind it to increase apparent traffic here for ad revenue purposes.
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Let's say you are given the opportunity to go to Mars when upon reaching the ripe old age of 50. You are guaranteed to die there, there's no return trip. You'll be able to fuck around for a week on a rover before running out of supplies. Do you take it? What about the moon?
I've always wanted to die on Mars, but probably not at 50.
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1 week is retarded but I'd go if there was at least a basic self-sustaining farm even if untested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqnHn_LS9zs
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Interesting. if apollo 13 had failed the crew lost, it would have gone backwards by 1 since Jim Lovell had been to the moon already on Apollo 8. Instead it increased by 2 since the other crewmembers hadnt been.
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The greenscreen flickered off for a split second. Ohnonono
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Next SLS core stage will roll out in the coming weeks. Full speed ahead
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>>16951003
low moonjoy post
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>>16951180
Surprised to hear that, i should have been posting in these threads sooner. I'm a fanboy of Schulze, Tangerine Dream/Froese, Eno, and others from that era of early emusic. This historic moment earned it.
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Comfy.
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>>16951270
I have 500 albums you'd like
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>>16951274
I've been curating an /sfg/ youtube music playlist. Please, post more!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy3L3lQaLVo
Related. A one-man psychadelic rock artist I like is releasing a space themed album next month.
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https://youtu.be/rjcqpm5tcdY
https://youtu.be/KSSEzWXqGKY
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_muAMcSd4S_4X5e4hEU2yYr6IbMtk uQIMY
https://youtu.be/SvrOzYtnLMA
https://youtu.be/8s0WDSU0Ob4
https://youtu.be/N820rvmpHII
https://youtu.be/gMpl5VAsUyM
https://youtu.be/kE8kGMfXaFU
https://youtu.be/SCAIBmf_9kY
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>4 threads
bros we are so fucking back
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>>16951327
space themed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhIs8xTf9-o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_yeg5oN4zM
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>>16951327
I listened to this after the launch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iHa5cqJBio
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>>16951353
some recent ISS astronaut said being on the ISS removed their need for glasses briefly, which is odd.
>>16951357
I wonder how much of it is never focusing on anything more than 1 meter away 95% of the time.
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I hate having to crop images. 8mb 4chan when? I'll literally buy a Pass if it gets me a higher limit.
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>>16951382
oh wait, it's just the backside with circuits on it, isn't it?
>>16951384
The full res of this one on flickr is under 4 MiB but 4chan still rejects it as too large for some reason (heavily compressed?). The x-large works though
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>>16951393
she's already cumming over us with sodium
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this one is my new phone background
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NASA had a meeting today to work on the A3 operation plan. Now, assume both Blue and Moonship are ready. Moonship won't be, but let's pretend:
NSF: It appears that you think Orion will transfer crew to the HLS and then undock with crew left aboard the HLS, and then dock again to transfer crew back to Orion. And then do it again with the second HLS. That sounds ambitious, but it also sounds like each step is useful and is needed. Do we have any hint from NASA that this is the plan? The second docking of each pair would ideally have the HLS as the active docker and and Orion as the passive target.
Consider Orion holds 4 astronauts. Two stay aboard. Which means the two sent over to the landers must be cross trained on both vehicles. Challenging.
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>>16951429
Imagine what it'll feel like to open up the hatch and look down at all that open space, then just float out into it.
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https://x.com/BoeingSpace/status/2041526409588256948
>We’ve delivered Viasat’s third satellite in the ViaSat-3 constellation. ViaSat-3 F3 arrived in Cape Canaveral today, where teams are preparing it for a SpaceX Falcon Heavy launch in the coming weeks.
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Another BE-7 has completed acceptance testing and is now at Lunar Plant 1 in Florida. The high-performance, dual-expander cycle engine supports our Blue Moon lunar landers for the Artemis program and will help power the next era of lunar exploration.
Blue: Giving mankind the stars!
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Blue: From Moon dust to fresh air, our Air Pioneer technology turns lunar regolith into breathable oxygen, ready for astronauts returning to the Moon. At our Space Resources Center of Excellence in LA, we developed a reactor (left) that melts regolith simulant and passes a current through it to release oxygen and other gases. The gases flow into the purification system (right) and emerge as medical- and propellant-grade oxygen. A flight-qualified Air Pioneer at this same scale could provide the first breath of life for a sustainable Moon base
Meanwhile over at SpaceX, nothing much.
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God bless America. God bless Blue.
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>>16951431
Didn't Skylab have an issue where astronauts would get stuck floating in the big open space with nothing to pull/push on, so they had to wait until the air draft would push them or they would have to throw their shirt to move again? In microgravity that much open space seems like a liability.
>>16951448
"Big Blue Nation" doesn't really roll off the tongue, maybe they should've put "Big Blue Country" on the banner instead.
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pic rel
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>>16951508
Yeah if they're gonna have that much empty space they should string up a guideline or something so that doesn't happen prior to landing.
Plus the ground crew could have fun doing a low-g rope climb on the moon.
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>>16951332
Sounds cozy.
>>16951335
Hell yeah, dude.
>Can't reply to the rest or else I get flagged as spam, but I appreciate the rest of the recommendations.
Thanks, friends. Some classics in there as well as some stuff I've never heard before.
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upskirt shot
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>>16951563
Why isn't more research being done in cryogenics? They proved you can freeze small animals then bring them back to life, but for some reason it's unfeasible to do with humans? Surely there's a way to scale the technology to human size, especially since we've had like several decades of advancement since whatever cryogenic research I was told about. Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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>>16951024
What an amazing picture... I can't stop looking at it
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>good night number 1 haha
>haha copy that good night number 2 until next time tee hee
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>>16951572
Number 2
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And what then? Send them frozen for 50 years to alpha centauri and make them colonize there? A simple conversation would take decades to take place, information travels slowly, even if they succed and live there they wouldnt be connected with us in any way anymore, physics fucked us so much space too big
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Why humans call SLS moon rocket if too weak to bring astronauts to moon surface by self, question?
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what if they miss
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>>16951590
if they got stuck in a highly elliptical orbit then a retrograde burn at apogee should be enough but it would make the mission a lot longer than planned
besides that, Orion is only designed to support the crew for 21 days I think so depending on the severity of the error they'd have to order a deep power-down of everything non-essential and carefully manage their resources even if they did have enough fuel to force a reentry on a second orbit
if they didn't have fuel then a rescue is basically impossible since HEO requires a lot of delta-v that isn't ready to launch right now and the right orbital phasing would take days
basically they're fucked, china wins
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>>16951558
so damn good
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>>16950859
CZ10B
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>>16950862
fake where are the stars? cant believe you guys still believe space exists even after this...
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>>16951702
The first stage already demonstrated "most of what is required to do so" a couple months ago...
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idk, though the threads rarely get to 1500
if its inactive and the rest of sci is more active they tend to get to like 600 before going to page 10 or 250 images
if sci is dead as well generally then they get to 1000 maybe (and are around like 5 days)
if its very active then the image limit tends to be reached much earlier than 1500 anyway, so it never really gets there
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/nasa2explore/albums/72177720307234654/wi th/55193149063
this flickr? there seem to be a bunch
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>>16951796
The problem was the thermal cycling, because the original trajectory on artemis 1 was to dip down and then come back up again, it experienced a heating load and then cooled back down again, growing and shrinking due to thermal expansion, this then supposedly caused small tears in the carbon ablatir which allowed plasma to travel futher up into the heatshield structure than designed, generating gas bubbles which then blew off chunks of heatshield behind them.
The solution for artemis 2 is just not using 2 heatloads and doing it all at once.
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https://x.com/stoke_space/status/2041862950097477868
>This rocket is starting to look like a rocket. (Or a space hot dog, depending on who you ask...)
>* Thanks to the whole team (including interns!) who worked on proto-qualification for the stage 1 structure... and to the unsung hero who got an actual hot dog roller for the office.
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>>16951327
Similar one man band, take your pick album wise, they're all cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKfFPBaU56Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnURvcdOUvY
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>>16951327
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z2_HhQsx7g
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>>16951620
>A very big deal is about to happen
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The $16B is not profit its revenue, and I strongly suggest to learn the difference before investing. The $8B figure is EBITDA, also known as, earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, AND amortization. For a company running around 9500 LEO satellites with a less than 5 year lifespan, depreciation is the business. Their FCC filings show that about 500 satellites deorbited just in the first of half of 2025 alone, and they were all under 5 years old.
The estimates for constellation sustenance are currently at $5-8B per year in satellite manufacturing (about $500K each) and launch costs are about $3M each. That is the real capex that EBITDA hides. Net income has never been disclosed and probably for good reason... And lets not even mention the $19 billion EchoStar acquisition who is almost certainly! not included in the $8 billion EBITDA figures reported...
The most critical is that xAI is excluded from the number. XAI had a $1.46B net loss in Q3 2025 on just $107M in revenue, accelerating from $1B the prior quarter. They were burning $1B a month at the time of filing. This pig was then merged into SpaceX in Feb 2026 along with X/Twitter. So start with $8B EBITDA, subtract $5-8B satellite replacement, subtract $4-6B per year in xAI losses, subtract interest and taxes specially amortization and you are very very deep in the red. Once audited financials go public, every analyst with a calculator and a working brain will see this. Also the revenue is largely circular... Over 70% of Falcon 9 launches in 2025 were internal Starlink missions so SpaceX is its own biggest customer. Starlink is 70% of total revenue. The so called "launch business" and "internet business" are the same capital cycle booked as two revenue lines ;-)
Replace legacy ISPs? Really? Starlink has 0.2% residential market share after 5 years, with declining ARPU ($85 avg vs $120 US) and congestion already emerging at 10M subs. It is a niche rural/maritime ISP, not an AT&T killer.
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>>16951327
obviously this one, especially for Artemis missions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-DqwUu4ZVs
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most popular nasa broadcast ever
we, the /sfg/, did it
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it's kind of amazing how much the mission atmosphere has improved once they began sitting matter-of-fact dudes at capcom
it's not just that everything sounds more proper and organised
even the jokes and lighthearted banter has improved and stopped sounding forced
people really do feel more at ease when the voice projects authority rather than trying to spread feelgood vibes and [spoiler]moon-joy[/spoiler]
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>>16951982
Grok? Help the girl out:
Glad to! NASA's Dragonfly mission is officially confirmed for a July 2028 launch to Saturn's moon Titan, with arrival expected in 2034. The rotorcraft passed its Critical Design Review in April 2025, confirming the design is mature and moving into the construction and testing phase.
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>>16951984
Zero G exercise is a lot more efficient when naked
On earth, clothes add weight, basically making your reps more intense. In zero G, clothes don't make reps more difficult, they just make you sweat more. So the artemis 2 crew is naked when working out
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>>16951327
TELSTAR, a 60's instrumental song. space race certified kino music
https://youtu.be/BkZupnpcmVg?si=l54zSBnUkbiw5DBP
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>>16951431
i want this meat missile to be packed with xnauts when it slams into the mars surface at like 800 m/s in 2041
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>>16951208
>'tina, we need you to get to work on the, uh...
"secondary" critical environmental lifesupport system
they've literally been poopsocking and probably shitshortin it too
the capsule has been smelling like a latrine since day 2
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>>16951997
Trust the plan
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>>16951997
Do you ever look at these diagrams and think about how the logistics don't pan out in the slightest? People don't pay money for corpses and the half-dead, and even the most callous would need to give water to these men for them to survive for sale, and that means they have to be able to distribute it. This kind of packing density is far in excess of what is feasible without great expense and effort.
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Katya Pavlushchenko
Apr 7
The launches of #Luna28, #Luna29 and #Luna30 have been postponed, said Sergey Chernyshev, Vice President of the Russian Academy of Sciences. According to his presentation at the RAS meeting, the launch of the Luna-29 is expected in 2032, Luna-30 in 2034, and Luna-28 in 2036.
Yeah, Russia space science is dunzo.
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>>16951997
just read that the crew mortality rate (25%) was even higher than the slave mortality (15-18%) rate during the voyage
though the slaves were "seasoned" after getting to the americas and there the mortality was like 25-50% and even after that mortality was high
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checkmate
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Retard question, but is NASA going to sell any of these or release them in their full resolution and not 4K? I want giant, fuck off versions of them for my living room to accompany the poster I have of the solar skydive from last year.
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>>16952043
I embarrassed someone that said he saw a particular star and I pointed out that it was not even a star, but Jupiter. He killed himself by jumping off the side of the planet right there and then.
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>>16952046
pic related me when i tell someone that you can tell planets from stars by the fact that they dont twinkle
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>>16952029
man attempts to garner sympathy for ziggerdom by passive-aggressively strawmanning, fails miserably.
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>>16952042
I think you misunderstood. I was asking for the full resolution. Take a look at what the various resolutions are and then take a look at the file format. A full-sized image, uncompressed, on a modern DSLR is enormous in both resolution and file size. 4000x3000 and even 4000x8000 is not. Especially not when you're talking about a jpeg that might be a few megs at most. The originals are far larger, in much greater fidelity, and don't have their colors crushed to shit by jpeg's shitty encode. If NASA is going to release these in their native res, cool, but each photo will be a hundred megs. If NASA wants to sell posters of them? Even better, saves me the hassle. Neither of those things are on their official image page.
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pic rel you
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>>16952059
>posting reddit wojaks is fun
i guess not everyone's born a comedian.
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https://x.com/Arianespace/status/2041928422243377218
>Mission VA268: Ariane 6 has reached the launch pad. At Europe’s Spaceport in Kourou, the central core of Ariane 6 for mission VA268 has been transferred from the Launcher Integration Building (BAL) to the launch pad. Once in front of the mobile gantry, the stage was raised to a vertical position, a key milestone in the launcher assembly process. This operation initiates the final assembly phase on the pad, where Ariane 64, the most powerful version of Ariane 6, will progressively come together. Scheduled for April 28, 2026, mission VA268 will place 32 Amazon Leo satellites into low Earth orbit, demonstrating once again Ariane 6’s capability to support large-scale constellation deployments. The campaign is underway.
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>>16952057
So just say you're looking for the raw files, retard. I'm almost certain that those are just the .jpegs that were processed by the camera itself. They're not shit quality in the slightest, and are absolutely at the full sensor resolution for both the D5 and Z9.
It's also possible that they weren't even shooting with raw enabled and you'll never get the "full resolution" photos
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>>16952084
Why don't they just keep skipping out of the atmosphere to reduce the stress on the material?
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I like this press conference
you can tell everybody knows their shit
I particularly like the flight director guy, but these two women are also very good
completely unlike that science director that fawned over everything like a teenager
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>>16952107
actually three people
>>16952112
you're retarded, look at the times
obviously the people posting weren't aware other were about to post the same thing
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I can ignore the duplicate posts easily, but sifting through the retarded vs non-retarded posts requires actually reading/skimming them which means you waste way more time reading retarded posts than the millisecond you glance at a duplicate image
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https://x.com/brkgkc_16/status/2041979974656090222
>Near-Infrared camera view of the Artemis II launch.
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One more VRChat watch party for Artemis II: return to Earth! Apparently, when the Orion spacecraft hits the atmosphere, the crew of this mission will become the fastest humans of all time!
Spaceguy5, a NASA engineer who works on the Artemis program, will be leading this event!
Lord knows how Japanese VR chat works. One shudders to even think of the idea. But for the swing around party, they opened a discord mirror. So, yeah. If you want to take a peek...
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>Five more state-backed GuoWang connectivity satellites were placed into orbit a few hours ago, by a Long March 6A departing Taiyuan into the night sky
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>Apparently, when the Orion spacecraft hits the atmosphere, the crew of this mission will become the fastest humans of all time!
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>Artemis II seems to have captured as many as six lunar impact flashes during the eclipse observation! I usually keep targeting the night side of the Moon from the ground (the video is the brightest flash I've captured). This time, the conditions weren't observable from Japan, but I'd love to observe one someday at the same time as the astronauts.
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A tale as old as time anon. NASA comes up with a practical orbiter or probe or mission idea, such as a lunar impactor observer, an earth impactor network that looks for dangerous 'stroids, a space weather network... but Congress goes
>mmmm what is the jobs potential here? Erm. NO! Denied!
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they taught him about their own cultural history of the moon. every bygone culture on earth looked up at the moon and had no idea what it was, its interesting to know the stories they came up with for it
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meanwhile, NASA had to put out a press release for like apollo 16(?) when they imaged a big ridge in the moon because apparently Mohamed split the moon in half as one of his miracles, and the moslem world went crazy seeing the pics. lol.
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>messing around with oxygen near a press event
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Al Grok?
Assalamu alaykum: The splitting of the moon (Anshiqāq al-Qamar) is a miracle in Islamic tradition attributed to Prophet Muhammad (pbum), in which he split the moon in two in response to a challenge from Meccan polytheists.
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At that point you are granted dispensation, just like living in the far north of Earth where the sun never sets. You either set your clock to a nearby reasonably "normal" city or just default to medina time
>inb4 this is all stupid and retarded
Yeah. But Im not here to "own the muslims". Much like mormonism. It's retarded. It's cringe. But whatever, Ishmael's lineage was always doomed. We will have beautiful basilicas and multiple parishes under the tutelage of Rome anyways
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>>16951327
Spice it up a little with a classic Mexican tune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FzvfUx6MNc
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Obama.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SzBhydrf7po&pp=ygUKd2t1ayBvYmFtYQ%3D%3D
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We're pissing on the EARTH, Houston. How do you like that? Our SUPER ICE PISS is going right on your GEOID, you IDIOTS!
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It's because it's a CCU and not the toilet tank, we hadn't seen the vent of one of those before I think.
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high res/framerate earth shot KINO
high res piss blast KINOOOO
then the dumb as rocks public affairs foid said it was shots of the moon what the fuck fire this bitch immediately please that was the earth how do you fuck that up. one job. actually triggered
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>>16952326
He's referring to this. Not ever dot in that image is a celestial object.
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>last starship flight was almost six months ago
>meanwhile sls launches astronauts around the moon
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>artemis III will happen before flight 12
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>Blue Origin will land on the moon before SpaceX
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One disadvantage of the cable catching system is that it can never achieve rapid reusability in the same way chopsticks can because you first have to take the rocket off the box and then move it onto the launch pad. But it does save on landing leg mass.
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>>16952426
Forgot link
https://www.kiss.caltech.edu/symposia/2022_venus_science/publications/ SpaceFlight_Dec2022_WebArticle.pdf
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Pangalactic Performer by John Mills Cockell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGGQ6LM0e2c
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>>16952426
cool
kind of retarded that there haven't been any probes going above or below the plane of the ecliptic of the solar system
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> there haven't been any probes going above or below the plane of the ecliptic of the solar system
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulysses_(spacecraft)
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>>16952437
so the new view they are talking about is purely about being slightly further from the ecliptic close to the sun than other probes have been or something?
not the furthest from the ecliptic in general
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Worth it, just to say that we did it.
Though yeah I’ve heard it said that in the visible spectrum it literally is just a ball of white. Uou wouldn’t even be able to distinguish different colors or cloud layers. It would be the most boring flyby target ever; the moon or Mars is infinitely more beautiful to behold. But venus’ location offers a pretty “safe” and easy mission architecture for a manned flyby
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>leaves ecliptic after primary mission
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>Though yeah I’ve heard it said that in the visible spectrum it literally is just a ball of white. Uou wouldn’t even be able to distinguish different colors or cloud layers.
Almost certainly wrong. Scientists have been consistently wrong saying what you could and couldn't see with your eyes.
Flybys of anything but the moon are the most cucked activity imaginable though.
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Venus has the excuse that you can’t land anyway. You launch your probes before closest approach and do teleportation bs as a scientific cover to what you’re really doing which is proving you can do interplanetary nao
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Here's the downloadable Keck report in full: https://authors.library.caltech.edu/records/0qwmw-27q16
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An Earth Mars Venus Earth mission on page 11
>Over much of the previous two decades, NASA’s first human Mars mission was intended to be a "conjunction-class" mission with a ~300–500-day stay at Mars. Recently, this transitioned toward designing an "opposition-class" mission. The NASA Administrator’s speech at the 2019 International Astronautical Congress indicated that NASA was considering opposition- class human missions to Mars—where, at launch, Mars and Earth are close to each other in their orbits—that would include a Venus fly-by as part of an overall two-year mission. In 2022, the NASA Moon to Mars objective definition group released a video describing a notional human short-stay mission architecture, with opposition-class missions including Venus fly-by opportunities still in the trade space (Figure 1.2 and Table 1.1). While this approach provides a roughly 50-day stay in the Mars vicinity, the opposition-class mission cuts down the overall mission duration. One component of enabling these shorter Mars missions—other than adopting nuclear propulsion—is adding a Venus fly-by on either the outbound or return leg of the trajectory.
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Venus back-flip double fly-by on page 18
>A preliminary trajectory has been found with a launch date of 7 August 2034 (Table 1.4 and Figure 1.6). After the Earth departure maneuver, the crew will be on a free-return trajectory, only needing to clean up any launch dispersions and account for some potential small trajectory corrections throughout the mission. The first Venus fly-by would occur on 18 November 2034 and the second would occur on 9 March 2035. Both occur at an altitude of 500 km. This would give the crew roughly 177 days in the vicinity to perform key scientific studies. Of these, 111 days are between the fly-bys, with a continuous view of the southern hemisphere. Following the second fly-by, the crew would return to Earth on 24 February 2036 with a ballistic entry velocity of 15.3 km/s. This velocity is relatively large, but adding a moderate deep space maneuver after the second Venus encounter can significantly reduce it at the cost of some additional flight time. Converting one or the other Venus fly-by into a powered fly-by may also improve the solution. It should be emphasized that while these specific trajectories are the result of high-fidelity simulations they are not necessarily the most-optimal. They have only been very briefly studied, being the result of a few days’ work. Further analysis may find trajectories with shorter flight times with lower Earth-return velocities.
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>Finally, this class of mission should be amenable to an in-flight descope to a single fly-by. Instead of targeting the first fly-by to set up the backflip, the flight team could instead choose to target the fly-by to come home. This offers a more robust abort capability than most other interplanetary trajectories. As such, a backflip-class trajectory has some crew-safety benefits that other mission classes may not possess. The most simple possible back-of-the-envelope analysis suggests that a vehicle conducting a Venus Backflip Mission would have about 80% of the total GCR environment exposure of the very best-case Mars conjunction class mission analyzed by NASA’s Strategic Analysis Cycle 2021 (which includes NEP propulsion and other assumptions about the Earth-departure system).
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I like the progression here, starts off trying to film the Earth view, then it gets blasted with piss and eventually guy just goes fuck it let's film the piss instead
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Gutsy call, but since v3 still go boom, that means the entire inventory of finished engines, tested or now, is suspect. As is the inspection and testing process. Would explain why SpaceX tested booster with only a partial engine set. They don't trust their own work.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfhDuOHMp0A
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>>16952510
Please note, Elon was promising weekly launches of v3 this year. That he still considers hot fires too risky for a full engine set does not indicate confidence.
But you're happy with it. That's what's important.
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https://talkoftitusville.com/2026/04/09/blue-origin-files-documents-to -kick-off-building-a-second-launch- pad-at-cape-canaveral/
>Blue Origin has filed a Notice of Proposed Construction or Alteration with the Federal Aviation Administration, signaling plans to build a second launch pad infrastructure at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station. The filing outlines plans to construct a 500-foot Launch Umbilical Tower at Space Launch Complex 36B/11, along with a 600-foot Lightning Protection System tower designed to shield both the umbilical tower and any New Glenn rocket staged on the pad. The lightning protection structure would rank among the tallest structures on the Cape’s launch range.
>The proposed site sits just north of Blue Origin’s existing facilities at SLC-36, where New Glenn currently operates. Launch Complex 11 was one of four Atlas missile launch sites along Missile Row at what was then Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, active from 1958 to 1964. After Atlas missile testing ended, the site was dismantled and left idle for over 50 years. Blue Origin signed a lease to use LC-11 to test its BE-4 engine, which powers New Glenn’s first stage, in 2016. The new filing suggests the former engine test site could now be incorporated into the SLC-36 footprint as a fully operational second launch pad.
>Blue Origin invested more than $1 billion to rebuild LC-36 from the ground up. Completed in 2021, it serves as the home of New Glenn’s launch pad, vehicle integration, first-stage refurbishment, propellant facilities, and environmental control center. A second pad built to complement that infrastructure would effectively double the complex’s throughput without requiring an entirely new support ecosystem.
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>>16952536
its actually true
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1903481526794203189
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>>16952435
That's where Starship comes from.
>hey maybe we could retain the trunk
>ok so we'll have to move the shield to the side under the crew's butts
>and we're going to need legs if we want to land offworld
>so we need to retain the second stage
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>A view of our 31st successful Minotaur launch. This week, STP-S29A lifted off with our reliable, cost-effective Minotaur IV—powering USSF Space Systems Command missions with cutting-edge tech and proven performance.
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>Next Soyuz-5 launch attempt is now expected as early as April 13:
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>Objects in mirror are closer than they appear
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>>16952538
People meme on this or 25 in '25, but real niggas remember a Starship every two weeks in '22
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>>16952596
CZ-10 is the near-term lunar launcher
CZ-9 is the Starship, except they initially focus on expendable upper stages to serve a heavy lunar launcher (50t to TLI with S1 reuse) in the early-mid 2030s, with S2 reuse being gradually introduced later.
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https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/7955/
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Boat in the area caused a delay. When they resumed the count, the propellant temps were out of bounds and they determined that this could be fixed but the delay pushed them too far into the window to fix in time.
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>We'll have a status update at the bottom of the hour, 2:30
well now I feel very stupid for just understanding where "top of the hour" comes from, thank you Mr. PAO sir
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>Kaela - We are looking into this.
What the fuck is the IAU going to do if we recognize Pluto as a planet? Send us a strongly worded letter?
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>IN THE COLDEST, MOST UNFORGIVING WASTELAND KNOWN TO MAN...
>screen violently flashes to shaky footage of the moon
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>FOUR WARRIORS. STRAPPED TO THREE MILLION POUNDS OF HIGH EXPLOSIVES
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>THEY ARE ABOUT TO FACE... THE TOILET NIGHTMARE
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People call Hadfield reddit, but he really is a standup guy.
I was dogging on Jeremy Hansen as just some ride-along CSA fag, but he's been in the program since like 2019 and this is his first spaceflight (took forever) and he has been nothing but professional and called out Jesus by name in a religious speech the other day so you know what? Based.
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And demand for orbital data centers is rock solid!
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they aren't cancelled because there is no demand for the inference, they are cancelled due to local bureucracy, opposition and problems getting power
all arguments exactly *for* data centers in space which sidesteps all those issues
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If Starship doesn't land on the moon by 2028 elon should just die an hero. Idc if he can get a demo done by 2029 or 2030, that is too fucking late
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Data centers are being cancelled/delayed because of legal reasons lol not demand issue. Hundreds of thousands, millions of GPUs are sitting in warehouse without a data center because local laws prevent them from building a data center, permit issues, grid usage, power generation issues, water usage rights, and all sorts of other grifts from the local and state regulators
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it's not black and white, v3 and HLS are in a dire and gay state right now but it's not like BO is running laps around Starship HLS right now. Could Jeff catch up in like a year, year and a half? Yes. But right now BOTH contractors are kinda in the same place.
A successful BO Mk1 lunar landing will be a big, big gain though.
Musk needs a good intro launch with v3 (which keeps getting pushed back, ffs) and an equally-good SECOND flight where it goes orbital. If v3 explodes on either of these next two missions i am literally apologizing to Jeff
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Grok?
Talk quietly or my Mom will hear! The Mk1 is much larger than the Apollo LM's descent stage and is designed to deliver up to 3 metric tons of cargo to the surface.
For this exercise, think of Mk1 as a LEM descent stage. If you can design a LEM assent stage within a 3 ton margin, there's the pitch. And there were some pretty wild low mass LEM proposals in the Apollo days. No cabin, just seats on an open platform yolo style.
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>Another multi-launch deal for Electron. We've added 3x new launches to the manifest for iQPS to deploy their QPS-SAR satellites to space, bringing the total number of missions booked by iQPS to 15 and continuing Electron's role of primary launcher for their constellation.
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https://x.com/RocketLab/status/2042340916367933583
>Our next launch for iQPS is scheduled for NET May.
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https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/2042333464653934907
>Amit Kshatriya of NASA said Blue Moon Mk 1 has “just” come out of the vacuum chamber at Johnson Space Center and will soon be shipped back to Florida. No comment on how it performed but he did not indicate there were major issues.
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Grok, give us some numbers to play with.
Sure thing buddy!
LEM Assent Stage
Dry Mass (Empty): 2,100–2,200 kg
Propellant Mass: 2,300–2,600 kg
Fuel scales with return mass. With modern electronics, minimal samples returned. Maybe. For one astronaut like the Russian lander probable maybe. For two --- tight. Maybe some extra tanks on the Mk1 to buy more landed mass?
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>>16952762
what are the odds this thing sticks the landing?
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>>16952752
*preteen girl whines and kicks her feet* Next, you'll run through the house slamming doors.
FWIW, Mk2 mockup via Twitter and r*ditt. Note: the upper fuel takes not fake installed:
As far as I know, Blue Origin has asked NASA not to share any photos of it right now, even of the outside. Kind of silly imo given its position in front of hundreds of daily tourists.
The tram tour guests however can get a slight glimpse inside through the windows on the left side; the right side view through the door is blocked by a 3-story Starlab mockup just out of the frame to the right of the picture.
Space Center Houston VIP tour guests do venture right up to this thing on the floor and might have some publicly captured pics of the inside, but those tours are $200 and don’t have a lot of daily guests.
I have caught a glimpse of the inside but not in my capacity as a member of the public so I can’t share that pic. But it mostly just looks like a round room with a column in the middle.
Before you cry, "that's just a mockup!", and you will. That's far more than Elon has shown of HLS. And if you point at more Elon PowerPoints we'll just laugh at you.
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>The moon beckons, but our bodies must adapt.
>As NASA returns to lunar space, the risks to astronaut health are no longer just dust on the surface but a multifaceted challenge that requires a holistic approach to mitigate the effects of cosmic radiation, reduced gravity, and disrupted sleep.
>By studying the impact of prolonged spaceflight on the human body, scientists can develop 'Swiss army knife' technologies that are flexible and essential, not just for space exploration but also for medicine on Earth.
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>Amazon is funded by NASA for future product
>Meanwhile NASA isnt using Starlink right now
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https://x.com/blueorigin/status/2042346677277691979
so I guess its launching soon then?
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>"Major Gigabay Progress!" Starbase Flyover Report 125 04/09/26
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>It appears Blue Origin has had a testing failure with a GS2 tank in the 2Cat test facility on their campus at Cape Canaveral. Given the noticeable roof damage and overall damage to the facility, it’s very likely this was unintentional. It will be interesting to see if we hear more details from them on this.
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I thought AST Space mobile was launching next on new glenn
And it is.
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Bald bros... we got too cocky laughing at the McGregor incident
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The one that the middle fell off?
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In English Grok!
Purpose: The 2CAT facility performs hydrostatic pressure testing to validate the integrity of the GS2 tanks.
Testing Incident: A test article of the GS2 stage reportedly suffered a failure during testing in the 2CAT facility, with discussions indicating this involved a pressurization test where the tank failed, resulting in damage to the building's doors.
Distinction from Other Tests: Discussions indicate that this structural 2CAT test is distinct from the later "hotfire" tests where engines are fired and tanks are loaded on the pad
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>Big things happening at the Rocket Ranch! Standing 95 ft tall, our first stage tanks for our Eclipse rocket are on the stand for structural testing. This risk reduction test will push the tanks beyond their limits to verify our flight margins. More to come soon!
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>>16952550
can I get an explanation of this plz? or at least some information for further reading?
why is the saturn V/apollo so much quicker to get to the moon and back than sls/artemis? APOLLO 11 HAD 30 ORBITS AROUND THE MOON AND STILL RETURNED QUICKER???
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I miss Mustachio's sexy voice
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they're basically coasting the entire way after TLI, whereas the apollo missions all could burn more aggressively and pass the moon at a higher velocity because they could do another burn at the moon to cancel out the velocity and enter orbit. Perks of having a non anemic rocket
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NAS'ZA...
Ben Honey
Just helped deliver 100+ pizzas, fresh coffee, and Chick-fil-a sandwiches to the Artemis flight control team @NASA_Johnson. Thank you @NASAAdmin for taking care of the team!
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Mars program cooked by AI slop.
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>>16952430
This is quite nice Anon, thanks for sharing. This also finally reminds me of some music to post.
>>16951327
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJDzaG1AJco
The saxophone in this was supposed to be recorded in space and would've been the first music recorded in space. Why this didn't occur is left as an exercise to the reader
Also since we're on the CSA train now, the first music video in space, Bowie approved
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDyl6I6ESSw
>>16952730
I think officially it was supposed to be the Artemis V lander or so, but the way people are talking about it it seems more like "first one to finish his lander gets A IV". I suspect regardless of original contract Jared will find a way to choose what gets him to the Moon sooner, assuming he's still in charge at that point.
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>>16952841
He's like a Sloss or Clark SLS article, a bit high on the exhaustive details.
>>16952866
Does this put SpaceX's profits pre-mergers around one or two billion? Assuming Twitter is more or less a zero and I think xAI lost something like six billion last year?
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Okay it's actually starting to piss me off how they only sent these fucking digital Nikons and even with nice long-range lenses and HD options this shit is still limited and downloading the largest available files from NASA still has fuckass digital artifacts and shit resolution for lunar features. What were they thinking
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The gopros I am fine with. The iphone shots, I am fine with. I am even fine with the main mission camera being a Nikon Z9 or whatever.
I am just pissed that at least one or two film cameras wasn't even considered.
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>>16952903
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>>16952866
Grok, do you have more details?
You bet! I'm a snitchy little bitch!
According to a report from The Information cited by Reuters on April 9, 2026, SpaceX posted a loss of nearly $5 billion in 2025 on over $18.5 billion in revenue. This significant loss was driven by heavy investments in new technology and the acquisition of Elon Musk's AI startup, xAI, in February 2025.
So, Elon self dealing to loot his investors. Prison for him it is!
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>>16952903
Sure film would be kino but ultimately it's obsolete and I doubt they want to have to deal with another medium in addition to all the SD cards just to get a couple comfy-looking photos.
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>>16952904
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Reuters could not immediately verify the report. SpaceX did not immediately respond to a Reuters' request for comment outside regular business hours. However, reporters observes papers being burned in barrels outside the SpaceX office, and a convoy of blacked out Teslas headed for the Mexico border.
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>it's obsolete
I think the film is still good. The problem is in the tedium of using film cameras, not the medium itself. You’ll end up putting in 10x the effort for a picture that’s at most 10-15% better.
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>>16952932
Are you a communist?
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>>16952918
I was not aware that the eclipse photos were just luck. Well, in terms of scheduling, that is. NASA knew they would be flying through the shadow as part of this mission - but that was only available with this April 1 launch. If they had gone back in February we would not have gotten these photos, nor any of the launch windows after April 1. Just sheer luck we got those photos with SLS misbehaving earlier but being ready to go this time
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>>16952942
Last night I was thinking about how if I time traveled back to Rome I would have a hard time explaining my casio watch, and specifically why it uses the arabic numbers that it does in addition to the 12-hr cycle and the months/days of the year
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I'm glad there was a huge leap in remote imagine technology between Pioneer and Voyager. Pioneer 10 and 11 looked like shit, sorry to say
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Just finished watching. He talks like a fag, and I disagree with his opinion on the best photo. The eclipse photo with Mercury, Mars, and Saturn is the best photo ever taken by humans. No contest.
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>>16952897
Glad you like it, there's another additional hour of this album, too.
It used to be free on bandcamp, but it seems it's back to paid again.
I had this on my mp3 player for a good while and it's given me a lot of unexpected but very appreciated calm and joy whenever the shuffle-play got around to it.
Here's an upload if anyone would like the files:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/0axkb92he5rs5eo/JMC+-PP.rar/file
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It must have been so exciting to look at this for the first time with primitive telescopes of the 17th century. To see why the bright stars of the ecliptic were actually kind of weird looking with magnification; with rings and moons that orbit and venus with its phases
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They saw what you saw. Galileo had no idea what he was seeing when he first gazed at Saturn with its rings.
Having a tripod helps. I have a pair of low-power stargazing binocs (so, likely a bit more powerful than what you have, but just barely so) and it really is cool seeing jupiter and saturn even if they’re still tiny and barely discernible
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>It must have been so exciting to look at this for the first time with primitive telescopes of the 17th century.
Imagine being part of a select few people who know what the planets actually looked like. Space-enjoyers are a rare breed, /sfg/,
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So I guess whoever took these fucked up and tilted the camera relative to the window pane which caused internal reflections
Were these with the Z9 by chance? I noticed that the vast majority of the moon close-ups were with the D5 instead...
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They had such low magnification that they didn’t exactly know what they were looking at. Galileo’s description was just that he saw a blob with two blobs on the side. As he got better and better magnification he refined his observations and sketches. People could see SOMETHING was different about Saturn. But keep in mind they had no idea about rings or gravity or any of this, so seeing little specs of light and a shifting companion that regularly swapped between a thin line and a bright double-blob made them confused. They saw jupiter had moons that orbited, so whatever saturn had was a different phenomenon.
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>>16952984
Some or Z9 some are D5. Exif data shows the model on image archive and on flickr. Also lol at this, I guess either they or someone on the ground is fucking up the descriptions
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I’m putting respect on Matthew Dominick’s name. Idk if everyone remembers but when he went to the ISS he took some of the best photos I’ve ever seen. He is a protege of Don Pettit, who is also good at this. But Dominick is the better photographer in my opinion.
Soichi Naguchi was also a really good JAXA photographer.
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>He's like a Sloss or Clark SLS article, a bit high on the exhaustive details.
except he doesn't give any more exhaustive details than any other commentator
they're all clearly reading from a page of info given to them
but all others manage to sound normal while this guy adds flourish to every sentence like he's giving a XIX century presidential acceptance speech
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The Orion capsule makes its first atmospheric contact over the open Pacific Ocean at approximately 400,000 feet over, specifically southwest of Hawaii. After skipping back into space to shed heat and speed, it re-enters for the final time over a point closer to the North American coast. During the skip, the capsule uses aerodynamic lift to pop back out into the vacuum of space briefly. This exit occurs over the Pacific Ocean, typically several hundred miles downrange from the initial entry point. The second and final dip into the atmosphere happens roughly 1,000 miles from the landing site, as the capsule makes its final glide toward the San Diego coast where it will be recovered by a US Navy ambiphious assault vessel.
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They broke the Apollo 13 record for furthest away humans have ever been – and to mitigate the Orion heat shield issue NASA is, rather unintuitively, sending ArtyII back in faster and hotter and quicker (to minimize long-duration peak heating) so they will also be exceeding the record for fastest any humans have ever gone, currently held by Apollo 10
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It's the inflatable raft
Or if they are going off some stupid technicality it's the ROCKY exercise machine (which I think doubles as a step up through the door)
Or the hatch/door itself, I guess, might be the last thing they actually touch before going into the raft
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NTA but yes, or at least aversion to the fact that some people may have to die along the way. That doesn’t mean “de-prioritize” human safety, it just means do not bog yourself down by safety autism. Exploration means taking chances in order to have more ‘giant leaps,’ the fruits of risk is reward
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https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1775798847177703.webm" target="_blank">https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1775798847177703.webm
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>>16953228
How many Polynesians died before they settled paradise? How many Siberians died crossing over to the Americas?
As they say in the omelette making business, if you want to make an omelette you have to break a few eggs.
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>they will also be exceeding the record for fastest any humans have ever gone, currently held by Apollo 10
unless something has changed during the last day or so, no
they will go slower than Apollo 10
Rick Henfling said so during the press conference
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>The Orion Heat Shield Saga - Everything You Need To Know
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>Booster 3 almost done… "No, It's Necessary" Welcome to the fleet.
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Do you zoomies not remember how the public and government acted after the Challenger shuttle disaster? If all the Artemis astronauts burn up in re-entry, NASA isn't getting a single penny for the next decade, especially since Trump is already trying to cut the budget.
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That was in his first term, 2027 is set to be one of the biggest cuts ever and I doubt boomer bots will give a shit after the first landing plus the iran shit going, it's just like apollo getting kneecapped because of vietnam.
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https://archive.is/B9oiN
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The proposed cuts will be mostly ignored by Congress. It is not going to be as dramatic as you seem to suggest.
You are selective in your history. All of a sudden you remember as far back as Vietnam, but don't seem to remember the last proposed budget cuts, a few months ago, and how that turned out.
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>>16953313
There was some chatter about after the docking tests, sending the lander(s) towards the Moon for a landing attempt. Landing, no return assent required.
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Grok, have any fun space facts?
Sure do!! Asked by Gallup in 1949 whether “men in rockets will be able to reach the moon” within the next 50 years, just 15% said yes. About five years later, confidence in the men in rockets’ prospects had more than doubled to 38%. And by 1957, asked to guess at a timeline for reaching the moon, around 40% expected it to happen in the next quarter-century or so, although 14% still gave answers that were reported by the pollsters as falling into the category of “never, silly.”
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>3h
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according to the official press kit:
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>>16953344
3 hours?
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>>16953351
>some dumb vibecode slop site
So it would seem
It was the first result on duckduckgo
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say fuck on tv get special treatment
we missed out
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The designated recovery ship for the Artemis II mission is the USS John P. Murtha (LPD-26), a San Antonio-class amphibious transport dock ship.
Named after one of the most corrupt politicians in American history.
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>USS John P. Murtha (LPD-26) is the 10th San Antonio-class amphibious transport dock ship of the United States Navy, and is named in honor of Congressman John Murtha (1932–2010) of Pennsylvania. John P. Murtha is homeported at Naval Base San Diego.
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