Spacebros? Is Elon really laying the foundation for near monopoly grip in telecommunications and space economy? Pic is just a part of me "shooting the shit" with gemini about the upcoming spacex ipo and the naysayers always pointing out the "losses" on the s1
>As Elon Musk prepares to lead SpaceX into the public markets, there's growing chatter that his ultimate goal is to combine the company with Tesla. >The two companies already have a laundry list of shared resources, and Musk has discussed with colleagues the possibility of folding the companies together, according to people familiar with the talks >Legal experts said that a SpaceX-Tesla merger likely wouldn't spark antitrust issues but it would potentially raise concerns among shareholders in each of the two companies. Questions around which company would be the parent, how a stock swap would take place, and who determines the appropriate price are among the thorny challenges. https://www.cnbc.com/2026/05/26/spacex-tesla-merger-chatter-reignites-as-musk-rocket-company-nears-ipo.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRvCxAt1oRA
>>16987686 Despite what SpaceXissies may tell you from their delusional little bubble, 12 failed test flights in a row does not inspire confidene in the Starship.
>>16987696 depends on too many factors for anyone to give you an answer. Throwing out a guess it could be between 0 to 4T of useful mass to the surface. But forget reusing a lunar lander. Nobody apart from BO even has any concept of a plan to actually reuse a lander. It's easier to send a new one than send fuel to the moon.
Artemis has no landers and no suits, but a healthy working pipeline of (albeit overpriced) orange rockets and orion capsules. Ergo, SLS-Orion is hardware rich. Starship is hardware poor, despite copiumfags claiming that having twenty-odd v3’s in various states of >errm, we have a few sheet rolls welded to half a header tank counts as “hardware rich” Is Raptor hardware rich? Yes. Are starship stacks? Hmm let’s see… one (1) launch since 2025… yeah I’m gonna say this is a hardware poor program
So as predicted the high res mages came out and the Muskjeets who were claiming the heat shield was immaculate have already memoryholed it. >THE SHIELD WAS PERFECT..... EXCEPT FOR THE GIANT CRIMSON PATCHES OF ABLATED STEEEL!!1!! IGNORE THOOOOOSE!
Many are quick to say the future colonies should be art deco. Or art nouveau. But are you autistic enough to see the real vision: frank lloyd wrightism
Musk has said many times that he forced Starship to have a pointy nose as a joke so he could be like the dictator from that sacha baron cohen movie. If true this is one of those areas where his autistic calls have massively retarded Starship development. pic related.
https://x.com/PhazzeeYeehaw/status/2059341208749535236 >Not long ago today, a Long March 7A lifted off from the Wenchang Space Launch Site carrying the TJSW-24 spacecraft, the latest edition to its geostationary series and the first in six months
how did josh "EDS" brodkin whip out an anti-elon article this fast? the news just fucking broke. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/05/musk-says-us-military-suicide-drones-used-starlink-in-violation-of-spacex-rules/
>>16987686 Jared is adopting the (smart) tactic of using NASA to pressure the rest of the industry into getting their act together while letting spacex do their own thing. Keep in mind that spacex is its own parallel independent space program to NASA with its own roadmap and goals. He knows what they can and will do for the lunar program but he's letting all the slow kids get their turn so there aren't constant cries of favoritism and collusion.
>>16987741 Mars already has an atmosphere, all you gotta do is beef it up and create a magnetosphere to protect it. The Moon can't even hold an atmosphere, which without one, everything else is harder to do.
>>16987754 >>16987743 >Make moon dome with trees and shit inside >make more >moon covered by domes >connect them There you go a whole moon where you can live, work fuck and have animals and food Maybe heat things up so the water of the moon make rivers
They said the base would be "Hundreds of square miles" and have a perimeter of drones. They're trying to "claim" the land around the South Pole with drones before the Chinese land there, because the Chinese will land there first.
>>16987771 Yup and no politician really gives a shit, which sucks. It’s first come first serve for prime real estate and it’s going to take one or two smacks in the ass (à la sputnik and yuri gagarin) to make Congress wake up and go wait whaaaaat this is a serious issue??
No matter how fast Artemis can reshuffle and remobilize under Jared, the truth is that everything is still going to have a 5-10 yr delay time in terms of political sway and importance. Meaning that congress will see a huge death of boomers and the shifting to a truly gen-x/millennial controlled congress. That is all to say: it’s only going to get worse.
>>16987765 That's not terraforming, you're just making habitats.
>>16987790 Congrats! You made one huge ass oven. Where's the radiation protection? Also, no rockets can't enter or leave.
If you want your dome to work, you need to have layers. Outer layer for MMOD protection, a thin layer of water to protect against radiation (whoops you've used up all your lunar water), another layer to trap the atmosphere. And then huge airlocks for rocket entry/exit.
>>16987794 It'd be one hell of a hospice center, geriatrics would be skipping and hopping like they did when they were kids. I'd move up there, bone loss be damned. I'd never come back down, fuck Earf.
Living in space would be cool if you have a spacecraft with 100s of delta-v and a good astronaut suit to explore freely pretty much every world in the Solar System but in reality you will be stuck in a small smelly habitat with other people, having to work long hours(supervised all the time by people living on Earth to make sure you don't do something wrong), and you probably won't be able to do a lot "EVAs" because it's too risky and when you do it you will be supervised by at least 5 people who tell you what to do, you will work like a teleoperated robot. Humans aren't made to exist like that, it is fine for maybe a year but not for the rest of your life.
>>16987809 >but in reality you will be stuck in a small smelly habitat with other people, having to work long hours(supervised all the time by people living on Earth to make sure you don't do something wrong) That's already my experience, why would I feel different elsewhere. Being stuck with 100 people several light seconds from the rest of you sounds great.
>>16987799 Based as fuck >>16987800 >You made one huge ass oven Good space is cold >Also, no rockets can't enter or leave. The dome can take a rocket liftoff just like it tanks asteroids >MMOD protection, You just made that up >water to protect against radiation Its not that much radiation, it wont get pass the dome and atmosphere
>>16987779 It's going to be funny when they "claim" an area and China lands people there. Although I doubt 90% of these "monthly lunar missions" will happen.
I wonder what will be the requirements for going to Mars, I don't mean qualifications but rather through which tests you have to go through. I guess it would make sense to let applicants live in a Mars habitat simulator on Earth for some months or maybe a year considering the duration they will stay on Mars and you want to be sure they won't become a liability.
>>16987804 Hell they wouldn't even need radiation shielding either since they would already be too old for it to matter. >To put the financial scale into perspective, the broader U.S. senior living market is on track to clear $1.2 trillion by 2030. I believe we've found the economic reason for the moon
>isaacman gets asked a question >will the beacons/perimeters from the moonfall drones act as some sort of border to keep non-artemis nations out >gives pretty much a non-answer is militarization of space and the moon inevitable
>>16987887 Moon in english: :( Moon in spanish: :)
Fuck you, you arent using my language find a different name or wait for the spanglish merge Also you basedfacing at luna like its something other than moon its cringe
>>16987904 No in that case its actual latin not spanish, and dinosaurs are latin + greek Idk why they chosed this but keep in mind the names have to sound cool worldwide
>>16987681 Jesus fucking Christ, already? The IPO hasn't even happened yet and he's already preparing the main bailout, Tesla must be so unbelievably cooked. I expected it'd at least take a while but I guess since he's getting away with everything anyways there's no need to pretend there's any other goal.
>>16987922 Originally? It was supposed to be more similar to starship, and had the design not been tampered with for funding reasons, it wouldn’t have petrified spaceflight for 40 years.
>>16987979 >>16987758 Notice how the goalposts have silently moved from >The shield was spotless, 100% reusable! To >The shield was fucked up beyond repair, but UGHHH.... I JUST DONT LIKE YOU!!1!1 Curious. Allowing such 3rd worlders on the internet was a mistake because it has clearly harmed discourse, even in niche communities.
Simple question for Muskjeets: If Starship worked so spectacularly well on flight 12, then why will flight 13 be an exact repeat of flight 12? In the industry we call that a failure. If Artemis 1 had to be repeated all yall would be screaming failure form the mountain tops.
>>16987790 >just make building the size of a planet Yeah, we do that all the time on Earth. It's bound to be much easier on the moon in hard vacuum and without any infrastructure or the required materials.
https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/2059638265192267838 >The ULA Launch Readiness Review is GO to continue towards launch of Atlas V with our seventh Amazon Leo constellation mission. Liftoff is planned for Friday evening at 7:33 p.m. EDT (2333 UTC) from Cape Canaveral. Early weather forecast is 25% favorable. ULA will offer live reports from launch control in our automatically refreshing blog beginning at 4:30 p.m. EDT (2030 UTC). The launch livestream starts at 20 minutes before liftoff.
>IFT 12 WAS A GREAT SUCCESS meanwhile in reality: >SpaceX were inches from losing the ship just like they lost the booster. >They were so unconfident after the engine damage that they skipped relight >Flight 12 went so badly that flight 13 will AGAIN be a repeat of the exact same missIon objectives as FLIGHT 1
>>16987986 >mind broken by EDS posters Nigger I was simply asking why it looked a certain way. I'm assuming they don't have the thermal expansion isn't sealing the gaps fully
>>16987846 God, imagine being able to ship every last old fuck off to the moon. Imagine the reduction in traffic, in supermarket lines, at the doctor. >>16987901 You want to give the boomers powered armor? You fuckin' nuts anon?
>>16988008 >explosion after the ocean impact is his evidence of the "heat shield tiles not working" Alright, you convinced me. Thunderfoot HAS to be paid at this point. There's no way he hit post and believed in his heart that his argument made any sense. Does he ever shittalk other companies like Blue Origin or is it just SpaceX?
spacexsisters what do we make of Blue Origin getting all these new contracts to land lunar base hardware on the surface soon? Is starship even going to work and make it to Artemis III?
https://x.com/GewoonLukas_/status/2059342782469189899 >The launch of Blue Origin's New Glenn NG-4 mission has appeared on the FAA's Current Operations Plan Advisory! It reveals that the launch is scheduled for NET June 2nd at 18:04 UTC, and that it'll carry Amazon Leo LN-01! LN-01 will comprise of 48 satellites and is the 1st of 24.
>>16988068 AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA yet deluded idiots will say there was no failure. It wasnt just your run of the mill catastrophic failure like weve seen most Starship flights, it was a failure on the order of IFT1. The booster flipped the wrong way and performed boostback IN THE WRONG DIRECTION so ended up splashing down outside of the corridor. Fucking lol.
>>16987714 I knew this would happen btw knew it the moment they said that I'm a schizo for pointing it out and should wait for the high res footage fucking LMAO at muskrats
>>16987939 Why not just remove it and and melt the ground a little bit? It's not like wind will bring new lunar dust. Just put everything under a dome when preparing new ground to be without lunar dust. Or why it wouldn't work?
>>16988093 this is a nothingburger FAA has been declawed after DOGE and is completely impotent. There has been a "mishap investigation" after every flight basically (because it keeps fucking failing) and they get cleared a week or two later it's all performative
>>16988099 The point of a mishap investigation is to make sure that the source of the problem is addressed before they possibly endanger the public by going again without fixing it. That's it. It's not there to keep people grounded as punishment. If you want it as punishment you need to be kept as far from any position of power as possible.
>>16988137 celebrating another good re-entry and controlled landing, this time of a brand new Ship. It was never not going to explode once it was in the water.
>>16988158 Ship exploding isn't a failure if you only look at this specific flight but when you look at the grand scheme of things it is bad, the fact that it is still included in the mission timeline of Flight 12 indicates a failure.
>>16988166 the entire reason they cram ambitious objectives into flights is BECAUSE they expect hardware loss and want maximum data return per launch every single starship thread now is just people pretending they discovered aerospace engineering yesterday: >“UHHH GUYS I THINK THIS MIGHT BE BAD???” yeah no shit. that’s why they’re in the early stages of designing V4 already
>>16988229 its not mine. just posting something i found recently thats nice. sorry if it doesn't fit into your preferred concept of this general being a non-stop EDS battle.
>>16987979 no, it's not, it's a tiny amount of ablation from the stuffing between the heatshields from right before it expands enough thermally to cover the gaps. >>16987986 >the goalposts have moved to my schizo delusion version of events they haven't, because you're wrong and the heatshield was not fucked up beyond repair, take your lithium and stop lying. >i just don't like you most people wouldn't like you, you sound like a hysterical woman 24/7 >3rd worlders 3rd worlders like you who insist on obsessively shitting on an experimental spaceflight program based solely on one single person being involved in the project.
also, nobody cares about irrelevant twitter nobodies, go back to twitter, tourist.
>>16988026 the people that constantly post retarded shit like this to /sfg/ so that people will respond to it calling it retarded are very lonely. if you actually have friends, you shoot the shit with them to have fun, if you're a loser that nobody likes, you pretend to be retarded on the internet for attention, like this poster.
>>16988035 He would know the difference in design goal between either heat shields. He just has a huge grudge against Elon Musk, I guess he's worth hating but Thunderf00t is completely obsessed with the guy. It's really unhealthy. Watching him watch the first super heavy booster flight get caught was soul crushing. He just wants SpaceX to fail utterly.
>>16988333 He has a PhD in chemistry. Has he done even a single deep dive video into rocket propellants? He must have since he is this old school space youtuber juggernaut.
>>16988343 Is EagerLoser educated in space? how bout Dim Todd? You have no problem with these clowns pontificating on things because they are glazing Elon. Suddenly it's a problem when a qualified scientist (with a record of being proven right) has a different opinion. PressureFedAstronaut is literally a rocket scientist, but you don't care.
>>16988351 no, "these clowns" simply, unironically, have more knowledge on the ins and outs of spaceflight than thunderf00t, who has shown himself completely impotent on the subject, the only knowledge he has has very clearly come from a very obsessive and focused effort to try and diss spacex, he knows fuckall about spaceflight otherwise because is entire interest in it is wholly dependant on obsessively malding about spacex. fucking embarrassing to be a PhD in something and then still get mogged by random normies in a (different from your PhD but still) scientific subject.
>with a record of being proven right he doesn't. before he was retarded enough to tackle spacex, he spent his time making grift videos on extremely easy targets like obvious scams and such, the guy is just an embarrassing failure, has a PhD but his only way of making money is posting shitty "skeptic" hatemongering videos on youtube.
>>16988351 How about his video where he debunks Starlink. We now know pretty definitely that it is profitable. Has he made any videos where he foams about Amazon Leo or the planned Chinese satellite internet constellations? Ah, but those aren't run by Musk, so they don't exist to him. Place your bets, is he gonna make a video where he says he was wrong about Starlink, or a 1000th video where he complains about Musk.
>>16988351 >he's a scientist!!1 and? what about the myriad of other scientists who have positive views of spacex? lol, reminds me of climate-change deniers who focus on the 3 or 4 scientists who share the same schizo narrative, while at the same time ignoring the remaining 99.999% of the scientific community.
>The Artemis Accords, while recognizing the Outer Space Treaty, allow for the possibility of creating “safety zones” that would establish areas in which “harmful interference” is not allowed. “A safety zone should be the area in which nominal operations of a relevant activity or an anomalous event could reasonably cause harmful interference,” the Artemis Accords state. NASA and China have not formally discussed or mutually approved the concept of safety zones, and some Chinese commentators have been critical of the idea.
>Establishing a perimeter would seem to be the first manifestation of a safety zone on the lunar surface, although Isaacman would not confirm this when asked directly. https://arstechnica.com/space/2026/05/nasa-takes-steps-toward-building-moon-base-including-discussing-a-perimeter/
>>16988424 in the OST isnt relinquishing claims of ownership of territory in space an admission that the system of private ownership on Earth is unjust? I always thought it was a little strange from purely ideological terms for the US to agree such a treaty.
Instead of an RTG or solar panels could you hypothetically make a powerplant consisting of mirrors that focus sunlight into a thermoelectric generator?
>>16988127 I proudly admit I have EDS. I shilled for this man year after year, becoming the cringe elon nerd while I held conviction in my heart that I was right and they were the blind ones. the ITS will blow everyone away. unmanned flights to mars in 2020, manned in 2024, they'll see. now we're 12 test flights into the starship program and we're what, 5+ years away from a lunar landing? mars rugpulled in favor of lunar AI factories? "go fuck yourself in the face if you don't want indians everywhere"? but at least we bought twitter and did the holocaust humiliation tours for our jewish baby momma or something
Private ownership of entities in space is not actually what is prohibited. *National* state ownership of space property is what is prohibited.
To explain further, private enterprise and companies can absolutely lay stake to xenoplanetary territories. But if a terran government were to claim the moon, that would constitute a breach of international law.
So you see, the only legal means of actually settling space which exist at this time belongs to literal NGOs. You might think the government owning something and an individual owning something are the same. But you'd be wrong.
As it stands now, the future among the stars lies in venture capital enterprise. Which is fucked but that's just how the cookie crumbles.
>>16988481 I get this would make sense from an ancap perspective, but in reality government determines what constitutes 'legal' ownership within the territory the government controls. So for private entities to own anything in space at all they must be deriving the legal ownership from a government, which is exactly what they do. Starlink sats are the legal property of SpaceX because SpaceX derives it's legal ownership over them from the USG. If SpaceX tried to do this directly it would be acting as a state, so would be in violation of the OST, unless the treaty is only about terrestrial states and does not apply to ones formed in space.
These hypothetical spacefaring entities setting up extraterrestrial habitations would actually be outside the real jurisdiction of earth governments as defined by these treaty agreements.
Meaning, they could and really the argument must be made they should establish their own exo, planetary, or lunar local governments. And it would be the part of earth states to recognize these people's self determination. Whether the framework for interplanetary military alliances really exists is a question not settled.
True Selene and Martian dual citizens, as it were. The particular forms, codes, and structures these governments could take might vary significantly. Certain distinct space bodies eventually might form into cooperation pacts as a matter of expedience.
>>16988496 >>16988481 So basically the USG is sovereign over Starlink because they are the ones who determine SpaceXes legal ownership, so it's really imposisble for states not to be intimately involved in owning things in space. They always have and shall continue to.
>>16988496 >So for private entities to own anything in space at all they must be deriving the legal ownership from a government No, they simply need to act as a sovereign non-signatory of the OST. Whether that sovereignty is recognized by Earth governments is a different matter entirely.
>even if we get ftl we wont be able to colonize other galaxies >we wont be able to leave the observable universe >we wont be able to explore whats outside of the universe >we wont even be able to meet the godlike existences that created everything whats the point?
>>16988476 I'm putting 1k after two weeks (think warren buffet said that's usually said how long to wait after IPO). Do not give a shit about making any sort of return, just always wanted to own some SpaceX stock.
>>16988499 No, the legal ownership of a company some people contract with actually has no bearing on their political autonomy in space. Literally speaking, the law actually doesn't extend that far yet. There is no precedent.
An American could own the company responsible for settling the first people on the moon. That wouldn't mean America owns the moon. Not even the company itself necessarily. Though obviously the equipment, at least until production is established in the far future, would belong to the business.
Rather, for representation these people would actually need to establish an independent compact and declare sovereignty. In essence, the situation literally demands that terrestrial commerce law regulating contract and exchange be void, since they are intrinsically attached to national jurisdictions. Meaning the company itself cannot claim it, only natural people. Those actually in situ.
>>16988546 America would have jurisdiction over the land and resources used to launch an american mission spacex can't even launch a suborbital test without approval >declare sovereignty how can they declare sovereignty from a place they require regular resupply missions from?
SpaceX has almost finished writing V1.0 of an in-house AI training stack in C that exact-maps to 220k GB300s with 800G NICs, making heavy use of pipeline parallelism and getting as close to bare metal as possible.
The potential speed improvement vs JAX for large training runs is over an order of magnitude
>>16988424 This is one of the reasons Russia and China didn't sign the Artemis accords. It further legitimizes corporate stake in claiming resources and areas where those are (territory). They thought the US would bumb rush the solar system, but I guess China is going to do that now.
>>16988594 No AI doesnt dream it doesnt think anyone with the absolute most basic understanding of machine learning knows this Dmt realm exploration doesnt have to be attached to anything mystical i like that the current studies are really grounded
>>16988469 >"go fuck yourself in the face if you don't want indians everywhere"? A small part of me wants musk to fail just because of this. But the last few photos I saw of X and SpaceX showed very few browns or Indians. So maybe he found out?
>>16988604 If you're talking about that weird ginger guy that has all the after effects slop that he thinks is actually what people see on DMT, I gave up on him a while ago. He sounds very scientific but it's total nonsense.
>>16988610 They actually sintetized a dmt version that can be injected and they can make the trips last hours now Cant remember in which central america country they have all the psychonauts and doing all the exploration and experiments The guy that made the book ( >>16988583 pic rel) is involved in it
>>16987719 it's not bad, but obviously all that extra mass is going to decrease payload. A cylinder has more surface area than a cone and would require more heat shielding. So it increases payload volume by sacrificing mass. Whether this is a good idea depends on what is the limiting factor. Some of that new volume is actually useless as well, like the bits in the corners. So it just adds a weak point by creating sharp corners that can't actually be used most of the time.
>>16987939 Take a normal piece of aluminum, shoot it with a very fast laser. The special texture reduces the contact area where dust can touch the metal (imagine dust balls sitting on the tips of tiny spikes instead of flat ground) and changes how the surface interacts with the static electricity of the dust. About 85% less dust sticks to the surface apparently. http://english.scio.gov.cn/in-depth/2024-10/10/content_117474468.html
>>16988351 >Is EagerLoser educated in space? how bout Dim Todd? Eager space seems more educated in business management than rocketry but thats mostly what he talks about. Of course talking about the business means you have to talk about the hardware too but he keeps it relevant to business stuff. Estronaut is genuinely one of the most knowledgeable people about space hardware today. His video about soviet engines was fantastic. I will not stand for anyone disparaging his rocket knowledge.
>>16988654 How long does it take NASA to move their tanks to the Cape? >Pegasus will ferry the flight-ready core stage to NASA’s Stennis Space Center near Bay St. Louis, Mississippi for testing and then to Kennedy for integration of the SLS flight vehicle in the Vehicle Assembly Building. >Trips from Michoud to Stennis will take approximately one day; the trips from Stennis to Kennedy will take approximately six days. Welp.
My WAG would be 12 to 16 days travel time from Brownsville. Say two weeks.
>>16988678 if by far along you mean suborbital. florida was eant to be ready last year, but they scrapped the pad because as well aoll know, OLM 1 was retarded. Didn't stop people here from professing it as the most genius launch pad in history until SpaceX built a flame trench.
>>16988636 15% is still enough to wreck anything that is sensitive to dust, you can't use it on PV cells or radiators, and you still need a complete and functional dust mitigation system anyway because a factor of 6 reduction doesn't move the needle and you're not getting even that because you can't treat your largest surfaces or those that might ever come in contact with anything
>>16988636 nice idea, but sounds fragile I keep thinking there must be some lessons we could learn from insects. They also have to keep their hard carapaces and limbs dust-free, and have evolved all sorts of grooming tricks.
you know what thunderfoot reminds me of? nigel cheese I wonder if thunderfoot has actual, uninorical schizophrenia or is it just a bit to get viewers from Musk haters because the goalpost moving does get a bit insane
>>16988716 no, he's completely right and your response shows that you are a seething moron who is unironically trying to defend this creature on the internet without even getting paid for it.
>>16988724 >c-catchphrase >catchphrase catchphrase >CATCHPHRASE CATCHPHRASE CATCHPHRASE zoomer-san, you have to use your words, not screech the same mantra, magic doesn't exist in the real world, your delusions will not come to life because you keep chanting verses.
I'm so fucking tired of the same faggot spamming the general with low quality bait all day PLEASE MODS, whatever SHITHOLE they're from, rangeban it from /sci/ for 3 months already
>>16988775 i'm pretty sure the person who keeps chanting mindbroken mantra's like >16988716 >16988724 >16988726 is hysterical, so no, i don't sound hysterical.
>>16988755 In the slow-motion it looked a lot like after some engines failed to light the computer cycled through alternate thrust balances really quickly and then just gave up.
>>16988749 must be an "interesting" job working on the fault analysis team at SpaceX >incomplete data >really short dev cycles >Elon breathing down your neck do they go into much detail of the fault analysis in the books about early Falcon 1 and Falcon 9 development?
>>16988749 Seeing as slosh was the problem last time the booster had issues, it is probably the same case here. But yeah in general the rotation was waaay too aggressive
>>16988795 >n-no i accept your concession >allegations insane people like you can make allegations, yes, but they are ignored because you are insane and not trustworthy, your words have about as much weight as the snot that leaves my nose when i'm dealing with spring allergies.
>>16988809 >nonono i'm not insane for reciting a mantra pls pls stop making fun of me you can keep trying to gaslight, it's just not working, you have deep-seated obsession and mental illness, you need to stop projecting that, take your lithium, and get a good night's sleep, the internet is too contradictory and information dense for your kind, you're better off not using it.
>>16988819 I like how the first stage hovers then scoots over to land on the barge. It's probably less efficient or whatever but it looks funny so I approve.
>read about the shape of the universe >"it's either flat or a hypertorus" >"oh shit, why?" >"because it's flat and infinite in size" >"how do we know that?" >"because we measured and it's always flat" >"how do we know it's infinite if we can't measure the whole universe though?" >"because a non-infinite universe sounds too weird" >"...what?" so the only reason why we say the universe is infinite in size is because scientists don't like the idea of a non-infinite one? what else of our knowledge is actually based on bullshit?
>>16988594 More or less, but it doesn't dream yet. Once you have some kind of mechanism to introduce quantum effects to the loop in a meaningful way, things get weird. That's how you connect the computer to the other side in the same way the human brain is connected. That's when you start giving actual entities passage into our world.
>>16988857 That's basically what I failed to clearly state, yes. Right NOW it's a parrot. As fundamental changes are made to its architecture to bring it closer to the architecture of the brain, that will stop being the case.
>>16988835 I used to be a nuke Chad all the way, but something in me changed a little after I started playing Dyson sphere program. The sun really is the ultimate power source and once you have off world manufacturing nothing can really beat that power.
>>16988996 Trek, but I agree with the other anon about Halo. You had to be there. It was a cultural phenomenon. Video games in the 00s used to be made by bros with frosted tips for other dudes; a perfect way to decompress with edgy and badass entertainment. No political correctness. And halo’s story was so captivating. TOS and TNG is more for the boomers/gen x, but it’s still really kino.
Seeing literal moon landings on live television was for the boomers, and they saw that as kids on tv and said >nahhhh fuck that, who needs a space program anyways? Infinite torches were handed to them to carry the flame and they promptly snuffed them all out with their greed
>>16989030 The silent generation are the ones who cratered space funding. Apollo had dreadfully low public approval. Boomers were too young to do anything to stop that. They can however be blamed for their star trek brained bullshit which prevented a viable shuttle replacement from being built until Falcon 9. Boomers were obsessed with SSTOs.
https://x.com/northropgrumman/status/2060118921940729946 >We’re preparing our Pegasus rocket and Stargazer L-1011 aircraft for a unique mission to help Katalyst Space extend the life of the Neil Gehrels Swift Observatory, combining air-launch flexibility with proven rocket propulsion to support NASA Science in orbit.
>>16989042 Antonio Elias, designer of Pegasus, is a ThunderF00t tier hater of Musk. He claims it's not possible to make rockets cheap and uses his own experience with Pegasus as an example.
>>16988849 Yeah, frankly they just handwave "infinity" because it's easier for their bullshit math cosmology models to say it must be infinite than to have to actually try and reason out it's real limits.
No more complicated than that. If it's not infinite, they have no idea how big it actually is, which is a critical factor when it comes to things like the minute pressure caused by surface tension which accounts for the energy latent in the "vacuum" of space. You know how the pocket inside a bubble is pressurized because of the soap membrane exerting an internal force?
Cosmology is such a ridiculous scam I swear. It's a field defined by ridiculous asspulls.
https://x.com/VikranthJonna/status/2060168314622517521 >Did not expect to wake up to New Glenn blowing up at LC-36. Here's a better view thanks to@SpaceflightNow. Hopefully everyone is safe and Blue Origin gets back soon.
https://x.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/2060168685973647699 >From @SpaceflightNow’s stream: Looks like something blew at the aft end at ignition and the whole stack just collapsed? Right side lightning tower and TE is completely gone, the left tower took a huge beating too.
>>16989073 >>16989076 Uh oh. I'm a ThunderF00t advocate. But the man was ripping into SpaceX back in 2016 when the AMOS-6 Falcon 9 exploded under the same circumstances, so this will be a litmus test. if he acts like this failure didn't happen it will confirm he's actually too biased to be taken seriously. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BgJEXQkjNQ
>This booster exploded much more rapidly that I expected, almost like a detonation. The sound has almost no rumble leading up to it, just a sharp bang.
>>16989095 I bet it was a COPV just like what caused both early Falcon 9 explosions and a few Starship explosions. Can we just invent something better than COPVs which doesnt randomly blow up?
the most important question is, will this contribute to the wikipedia success rate stat for the BONG page? or no because it was just a static fire test and not a launch?
>>16989092 This looks very good for SpaceX. all of a sudden the safe pair of hands has a Starship style catastrophic detonation, and Starship doesnt look so disasterous after all.
>>16989111 There were a lot of COPVs aggressively leaving the area after the explosion. It'll be interesting to see where they end up landing. The good news is that the closest active pad is SLC-40 and that's almost 11 km away.
https://x.com/blueorigin/status/2060172114796204539 >We experienced an anomaly during today's hotfire test. All personnel have been accounted for. We will provide updates as we learn more.
frame by frame: ok so stage 1, there is some exploding happening near the engines. makes sense. Then, stage 2 explodes a couple frames later? There must have been something catastrophic and internal going on?!? anyone else see that, the delayed 2nd stage kaboom?
>>16989103 >>16989109 The explosion looks like it originates on stage 2. I guess they never solved the issue of GS2 randomly exploding which they had during pressure testing years ago.
Jesus wtf I was on that Limpium bad at the turn of the year, too. This has to be at least a delay until next year, if not a full year or more, right? also seriously wtf are they doing, it's like a reverse Starship, the first two launches were pretty damn good, then the GS2 failure and now this. How the fuck did they let it slip so bad
>>16989137 They just broke ground for a second pad in their expansion at LC-36 (which might be inside the current excitement radius), and they've got some Vandenberg dirt assigned to them at SLC-14, but haven't begun work there yet.
>>16989145 oh, if they were youre right then. such a strange failure mode with the bottom igniting and not blowing up immediately. ULA foul play afoot.
>>16989147 first launch they had been taking their time, like goddamn five years or something from when we first saw hardware for it? Now I assume ol' Limpy tried to get the production and flight rate up since the Kuiper people were breathing on his neck. no bueno.
Something weird is going on here. There's at least four distinct flashes before the main detonation, and they seem to on the ground and moving away from the vehicle
>>16989177 probably cascading catastrophic engine failures during ignition, ripping a hole or otherwise collapsing the thrust structure and lower section of the tank, some kind of flame flowing up the raceway and causing the 2nd stage to pop as well, and from there the whole vehicle explodes
>>16989179 Sparklers are for burning off H2 vented from the first stage by rockets like SLS and Delta IV. Even if New Glenn used LH2 on the first stage the deluge system they have is WAY to exuberant for something like that.
https://x.com/NbergWX/status/2060175672664899673 >FIREBALL: Seen and felt all over central Florida. Just around 9PM Thursday, one of the largest rocket explosions on record occurred in Cape Canaveral. All are accounted for and safe out there during this test.
berger, "This completely takes Blue Origin out of the Artemis picture for the next 12 months, most likely. All of those Moon Base missions, man, it's bad."
https://x.com/JeffBezos/status/2060182822170902622 >All personnel are accounted for and safe. It’s too early to know the root cause but we’re already working to find it. Very rough day, but we’ll rebuild whatever needs rebuilding and get back to flying. It’s worth it.
>>16989094 >it will confirm he's actually too biased to be taken seriously My man that has been settled for years. Moving the goalposts on blunderf00t's credibility like this is almost as silly as his own constant goalpost moving.
>>16989229 It could have happened during a planned ignition. It's not standard procedure for Blue (or for SpaceX for that matter) to put out accurate T-0 countdowns for static fires. They just post notices that it going to happen at some point in an announced window, and then all the livestreamers set up for their diehard fans. The text is just standard labeling SFN would use and would have been accurate for the frosting and venting that would have been easily observable before the explosion.
>>16989238 https://x.com/RepHaridopolos/status/2060176368072032590 >I’ve already spoken with @NASAAdmin Jared Isaacman regarding the explosion of Blue Origin’s New Glenn rocket tonight at Kennedy Space Center. I am grateful there were no reported injuries and thankful for the first responders, engineers, and launch crews who acted quickly. Praying for Florida’s Space Coast and everyone involved.
I think he's a bit too busy to tweet right about now.
"Early reports from sources suggest that the launch infrastructure at LC-36A is severely damaged. A source indicated that one of the lightning towers may not be salvageable, and that the transporter-erector may also be damaged beyond repair."
https://x.com/SLDelta45/status/2060184662681542813 >CAPE CANAVERAL SPACE FORCE STATION, Fla. – A Blue Origin New Glenn rocket experienced an anomaly at approximately 9:00 p.m. during a hotfire test at Space Launch Complex 36. Emergency responders are on the scene. All personnel have been accounted for and there were no injuries/fatalities. Range officials, in coordination with Blue Origin and appropriate partners, are currently evaluating available data to determine the exact cause of the anomaly. Additional information will be released as it becomes available. The Eastern Range remains fully mission capable for National Security Space Launch and continues to support operations at all other launch complexes. The Eastern Range serves as a Department of Defense test and training range supporting critical development, testing, evaluation, and launch activities that advance national security and space capabilities. These operations often involve developmental systems and emerging technologies, and the nature of such testing carries inherent risk, including the potential for anomalies. Space Launch Delta 45 remains committed to ensuring the safety of personnel, protecting critical infrastructure, and supporting continued access to space for the nation. For more detailed queries please contact media@blueorigin.com
>>16989258 "One of the lightning towers may not be salvageable" Dude, one of the lightning towers is completely fucking GONE
>Tory Bruno announces his return to United Launch Alliance as CEO. He said he had accomplished what he had set out to do at Blue Origin and it was time to move on to a new adventure.
>>16989282 https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/2060190522539401631 >I'm hearing that it is possible that Blue Origin decides to go directly to the larger 9x4 variant of New Glenn after this failure. Obviously no decisions like that will be made without more data review.
Well, that'll teach me to not speculate without refreshing twitter first
>SpaceX IPO now 10 trillion dollars >There’s no stopping it now after this. Elons gotta be kicking back and smirking right now >Ahead of the SpacEx IPO too, Elon must be rubbing one out to this video. https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1tqn1yr/blue_origins_new_glenn_just_blew_up_at_lc36_while/
>>16989289 The 94 was going to have a completely redesigned tail anyway; it'd be easy to put in corrections for whatever the root cause of tonight was. The 72 also had some pretty dramatic t/w issues that were only solved by uprating the BE-4s, which may have contributed. The 94 is a bigger rocket but having more engines could give them better margins overall.
>>16989238 >NASA is aware of the anomaly that occurred tonight at Launch Complex 36 involving Blue Origin’s New Glenn rocket at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station. Spaceflight is unforgiving, and developing new heavy-lift launch capability is extraordinarily difficult. We will work with our partners to support a thorough investigation of this anomaly, assess near-term mission impacts, and get back to launching rockets.We will provide information on any impacts to the Artemis and Moon Base programs as it becomes available. https://x.com/NASAAdmin/status/2060186268772835475
https://x.com/pewpewturtle69/status/2060191919401996389 >The Horizontal Integration Facility is on fire and smoking, this image is not very new but shot with 45 minutes ago. Everything inside the HIF is most definitely not flight worthy anymore because of the acoustics from the explosion. Thank you @spacecoastwest for pointing this out.
>>16989284 >Well, that'll teach me to not speculate without refreshing twitter first Why post on /sfg/ at all if you need to constantly refresh Twitter
>If it was fully fueled, it would have about 1.5 kilotons worth of total energy- roughly 1/8 of the Hiroshima bomb. There are some tactical nukes that go that small, but it's on the very low range for a nuke.
>>16989330 Most of the energy in the fuel foenstbflashboff in the initial explosion though. NG was fully fuelled but the explosion was nowhere near the actual explosive potential of all the fuel and oxidiser. If it was there would be thousands of people being rushed to hospital right now.
spacex needs to get more starship launch sites up asap. we cant have an accident taking out starbase and spacex twiddling their thumbs for a year while they wait for a new launch site to get built. get kfc up, get louisiana up, get vandy up, wallops, alaska, etc. we needed them up yesterday.
>worth remembering that when SpaceX went through this with Amos-6, they already had SLC-4E and LC-39A in the works. They were able to resume launches in 5 months, but it was 15 months before they launched from LC-40 again.
>>16989355 HIF looks fine, really. the red lights are from the... red lights. there's a tent structure sort of burning, but it's far from the HIF. the low angle of the helicopter is deceiving https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi33tt4l5Jw
>I can't help but think this is why the space program needs to go back to public agencies like NASA, and not vanity driven billionaire idiots like Besos and Musk. >This is why NASA should not be beholden to corporations that cut corners. Neither HLS provider seems to have produced a rocket that can break a 50% reliability rate. Give NASA the funds to procure and launch a lander themselves and let's get this program back on track. >The US government going all-in on the Private-Sector space development will go down in history as one of the biggest blunders in government management in history. they dont want spacex to get us to the moon, even if its the only option
unironically this should be good for BO long term right? jeff who will crack the whip and these guys will finally face some adversity? I know I'm coping
>>16989395 I'm pretty sure the flash at :03 that's visible from behind the launch tower is an engine RUD that unzips the whole side of the booster. Everything before that seems like normal engine startup and then you can see the engines start to shut down for a split second right before the big kaboom.
>>16989395 >>16989412 There was definitely some sort of event at that moment. May not have been the first domino albeit. Also I have spotted what I believe to be a COPV evacuating itself at high speed in the top left.
>>16989217 >>16989187 Raptor will be vindicated once again as many of it's so called in flight 'failures' were commanded shutdowns to prevent exactly this sort of thing.
>>16989049 Based LoGH poster. >>16989150 IDK the spess launch economy is so new we've yet to see what a pad explosion of this size will do the market. Obviously this will hurt BO, but it might result in a soft bump for other public companies as companies scramble to move their birds to other companies with active pads.
>>16989350 Dude I don't know about replacing all that infrastructure. From an overview of it's launch history, I'm not sure it's ever taken that much damage. But I can't be sure, having just looked into it.
How much of it was irreplaceable legacy shit? Are adjacent facilities affected? From what I gather that's basically the only pad in the country rated for the Falcon Heavy DDO missions.
This screams heavy lift bottleneck and that's a serious problem. Just trying to get a handle on the real scope of this situation.
>>16989441 >How much of it was irreplaceable legacy shit? Are adjacent facilities affected? The whole thing was built from the ground up for New Glenn, so there's no legacy hardware to worry about.
>>16989441 LC-36 was only configured to launch New Glenn. Falcon Heavy and other launchers will not be affected by the explosion (unless the pressure wave damaged the facilities, but that shouldn't be too hard to fix). The main problem is that they're basically going to have to dig up and replace everything underground, and they need to replace an entire lightning tower, transporter-erector, and probably a ton of other smaller stuff that went into building this particular launch pad over the past 10 years.
How hard is this shit gonna tank when people realize they have no moat, no launch vehicle, no real product, nothing to makes them worth this much. Genuinely why were investors delusional enough to think they can compete with TWO LAUNCH COMPANIES THAT LAUNCH THEIR OWN CONSTELLATIONS FOR PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR?
>>16988888 >take the funny starship will win quints because this is /sci/ and it’s easy to do >think nothing of it >go to sleep >wake up >new glenn fucking blows up on the pad in a massive explosion I… i’m sorry guys, i didn’t hate new glenn, this is not what i wanted, what have i done?
I don’t know whether to feel vindicated after always telling everyone that spacex blows up prototypes while everyone else blows up customer ready mission hardware, or simply be sad that new glenn blew up. I want everyone to succeed, blorgin are the only ones even close to being on spacex’s level, and their pad just got annihalated.
>>16989508 it won't be that bad they'll just cleanup and replace some of the pad infrastructure pad explosions have always been a contingency prepared for in rocketry
>>16989538 For blue origin’s own hardware? Probably not. But of they’ve got actual customer sats in there ready for intergration there’s a good chance they took some damage.
With 36A out of commission for probably years, and it being the only pad they had...is Isaacman going to try and force pad sharing or is he going to tell BO to go fuck themselves for having engines that just explode and destroy things?
>>16989569 What is BO launching that's a national security payload that ULA and SpaceX can't launch? At a minimum it'll be a year before they're allowed to launch so it's not like it matters for national security.
>>16989561 On a per kt basis munitions/high explosives are much more damaging than a ch4/lox equivalent as the shockwave is much more focused from higher detonation speed, a property called brisance. There will finally be data for methalox allowing for smaller launch exclusion zones as the existing ones were based on TNT or C-4, can't recall which.
>>16989578 Incredible how well capitalized american companies are (compared to euros, indians, japs and even chinese) and still don't invest in basic infra
>>16989520 I mean at least they did not lose a payload, the tank farm did not explode, no people were burned to death. . . Kinda sad about the delay but Bezos is so rich it won't stop him from doing what he planned t do, the company is not going to go under.
>>16989573 There are multiple pads. LC-36 has only ever successfully launched 3 things since BO took over. One of those failed and the 4th flight just blew up on the pad. The other pads are fine. At least half of the national security shit launches from Vandenberg anyway.
>>16989573 Yeah, as the other anon said LC-36 is unimportant in the grand scheme of things It's pretty much BO's to play with (and destroy) New Glenn itself, however, was supposed to play a role in the Artemis program. Who knows what will happen on that front now.
>>16989581 It's worse because a great deal of the infra was basically gov't surplus handed over via a lease. It did require a lot of refurbishment but the site and much of the infrastructure was already there. I think it's partly due to the very large time commitment, just look at how long it took to finish starbase pad B for example. Well over a year after the tower was finished.
>>16989585 meant for >>16989579 Also there's the issue of acquiring land/NIMBYism/EPA shit that makes it a lot harder than it should be. Even now there people in California trying to tell the USSF/USAF how much they can launch from a military base.
>>16989587 Nah, the exclusion zone rules were based on TNT equivalent. They can likely be reduced but the lack of hard data was the basis for not doing so.
>>16989590 Yeah, others are under construction though. Also I'm not sure SpaceX has ever done a fully fueled wet dress rehearsal without doing a prior static fire. There have even been a few times where they did a spin prime before even attempting static fire. So I'd say their approach has been more cautious.
>>16989588 I checked with Claude, so take it with a bucket of salt, but it looks like weight is an issue too. Orbital refueling is a must for TLI on FH with something that heavy, and that's not a capability it has. One horse race until BO cleans up their mess.
Could simply be the camera angle but it looked like the overboard venting during countdown was hugging the rocket closely perhaps due to the weather conditions plus coanda effect. It increases noticeably at around T-20. Possible it reached an explosive concentration threshold by pooling in the nozzle area?
>>16989118 they'll get an extension, the rule is to stop squatting on spectrum Amazon is clearly trying to launch them, stuff like this is just unfortunate slow downs but they aren't purposefully just doing nothing with the spectrum
>>16989150 shows that rockets are not easy and random competitors can't just waltz in and throw money at the problem and expect to have a competing system in a few years
I guess we will see how ferociter Blue Origin can be. SpaceX didn't have a need to pull out all the stops to return SLC-40 to operation as soon as possible after their pad explosion, Blorg has.
so BlueOrigin was doing things really carefully, as opposed to SpaceX, right? and then BO's carefully prepared rocket blows up on the launch pad? ironic
>>16989571 they have patents in an area that is somewhat exclusive, the only other competitor is spacex really (broadband direct to normal cellphones from orbit) I don't think rocketlab is doing anything that a long list of other companies aren't also trying to compete in (launch, satellite buses, thrusters etc)
>>16989628 The one thing BO was not doing carefully was their lack of a dedicated test stand.
OTOH, such an event was only a question of time. If you stack kilotons of LOX and fuel often enough, they're going to blow up by accident at some point. Now all the luddites will come out of their caves and screech.
>>16989639 this shows one other extremely significant edge SpaceX has over the competition (maybe other than China as a block) they simply have launch capacity to do their own projects in the first place yes, its also cheaper, that helps with margins and in some cases might enable or block certain business opportunities (such as orbital compute sats), but simply having launch capability in itself is a big deal
>>16989579 That's expensive and doesn't make number go up, plus it takes a long time to do. If they can avoid doing it, they absolutely will. Say what you will about Elon, but the fact that he basically treats all of his companies as Factorio saves is the actual edge he has. No one else has anywhere near the ludicrous amount of infrastructure SpaceX has, and if the Louisiana thing turns out to be true and he starts building down there too then I cannot begin to fathom how anyone on this planet will stand a chance at bridging the moat he has. China might be able to overcome the problem, but the engineering may elude them and if it does then it won't matter if they build eight or eight dozen launch pads.
When will SpaceX be able to reuse Ship? I can imagine if SpaceX won't be able to reach reuse next year, that Trump forces them to shutdown the testing campaign and produce 10-20 expendable Ships just for Artemis 4 so the Moon landing will be within his presidency.
>>16989628 It turns out you actually need to do things to learn, not run ten years of software simulations. After all that GRADATIM FEROCITER BO managed to write off one payload and blow up the launchpad before the next one could reach it.
>>16989683 Thinking the timelines will go long is literally Elon acceptance syndrome, it's what happens every time. EDS is going on a "it doesn't count" reddit spergout when SpaceX is ten years ahead of everyone else but behind Elon timelines
>>16989688 I hate that this is correct, but only because Elon doesn't go long on his proclamations. Him constantly saying "It'll happen this year, I swear" is the most frustrating shit because all you can do is sound like a cock sucker who is defending the guy by mentioning Elon Time or that everyone else can't do it, won't do it, or would take many times longer. He creates this horrid system where any correction towards truth turns into a defense of the man which leads to your opinion being viewed as that of a fanboy. I hate it.
>>16989697 I don't really care about it, the timelines aren't made for the goy masses. If you Bezos it and try to set "reasonable" timetables you miss them by just as much. All timelines in development are made to invite people willing to work towards them, actually hitting them is secondary
>>16989696 Everyone knows you need a high C3 rocket for this. >but orbital refu- yes, that will play a part in the 2030s but NOT how you think... The best thing we can do rn is fund SLS to get a beachhead on the lunar south pole asap and worry about that stuff later.
>He talked about electric cars. I don't know anything about cars, so when people said he was a genius I figured he must be a genius. >Then he talked about rockets. I don't know anything about rockets, so when people said he was a genius I figured he must be a genius. >Now he talks about software. I happen to know a lot about software & Elon Musk is saying the stupidest shit I've ever heard anyone say, so when people say he's a genius I figure I should stay the hell away from his cars and rockets.
Thing is when you criticize Elon or SpaceX or point out failures, people here will think you are Thunderf00t 2.0 and start to scream EDS. You can criticize the Starship program, show disappointment and point out failures while still believing that Starship will be a great rocket somewhen in the future. Also the rabid dog behavior of the anti-EDS crowd makes it hard for some people to not troll them and decrease the quality of this board.
>>16989708 no they don't, that only happens if the arguments are shit tier also if you simply say "I don't think Starship will work" is fine, its not like that is a rare belief (especially with laypeople or many oldspace people) the problem is with the disingenious posting, dumb arguments, goal post moving and so on
>>16989711 >>16989708 and I mean as you can see here, nobody is saying that New Glenn will never work why people call the deranged disingenious seething posting EDS, is because that what the anger is really about its about musk, its not about Starship test going well or poorly, or never working its simply about the hatred towards musk (for many different reasons ultimately)
do you see people saying that Jeff should stop with BO now? that they are doomed?
>>16989571 Price per share is meaningless on its own, since companies have different numbers of shares outstanding. What you want to compare is market capitalization, which represents the market value of the entire company.
>starship performs poorly before IPO >hires sniper to sabotage his main competitor >destroys the viability of an entire business in one shot Why is Elon like this? Does he really need a trillion dollars?
>>16989707 There are almost no untyped languages. You might think bash would be an exception, but it's not. Even instruction sets are not type agnostic.
The question is how types are used in a particular language.
Type systems that are expressive enough to encode specifications will likely be even more useful as software can be generated more cheaply and quickly.
However, the most useful such type systems have undecidable typing, so from this perspective Elon is wrong on two counts: there's more reason to use type systems in the future and in general type checking is neither easy or always automatic.
https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/2060333675691053072 >Shenzhou-21 lands ahead of the Falcon 9 launch. Zhang Lu, Wu Fei, and Zhang Hongzhang are back on Earth.
https://x.com/GewoonLukas_/status/2060277969029886418 >While this will obviously massively impact Blue Origin and their customers, there might be direct short-term affects to upcoming launches (such as Starlink 10-53 & LA-07 later today/tonight) with reports of a power outage & "liquid nitrogen pouring out of the ground" at the Cape.
>>16989742 >Jeff you really are such a holdup to the entire industry Didn't BO sue NASA and hold up the HLS program for a whole year just to get an equal-attention contract?
>>16989638 No, he is not a janitor. Clearly not because he's demonstrated technical knowledge and insider informaiton many times. You may forget, but for about a year he was hinting at the true number of tanker flights to refuel HLS, which he knew because he works on the NASA side of HLS. People were calling him a deluded liar becuase this is back in the phase where people were parroting the ELon meme figure of 4 tanker flights. Meanwhile Spaceguy was saying "high teens", clearly knew the figure and was just short of saying it because he would be violating his contract if he outright said it before it was public..
>>16989778 the most parsimonious explanation is that the man who claims to work on the nasa side of hls and who demonstrates insider knowledge to back it up many times over the years does in fact work on the nasa side of hls. He has actually been a brilliant source for HLS development if you cut away all the emotional seething and just look for signal.
https://x.com/blueorigin/status/2060341442006876204 >Debris from our recent hotfire anomaly may wash ashore in the coming days/weeks. If you encounter any debris, do not touch or approach it for your safety. >Please report the location immediately: >Call: 1-321-222-4355 >Email: MissionRecovery@blueorigin.com
You're heading for LC-36, aren't you? I was heading there myself, until I wound up here and...well, simply lost my nerve. Take one look through that door and you'll see what I mean. I'm just going to wait out the catastrophe in here. If you intend to go on, then I beg of you...proceed with extreme caution.
>>16989788 >True number of tanker flights People were saying 4 flights. >(related) The massive boiloff issue People beforehand were pretending boiloff didnt exist. >Starship performance being WAY below spec Up until Elon made that devastating powerpoint presentation which showed V1 as having "~20T" to LEO, anyone who claimed it wasnt 100T was called crazy. >HLS is very intolerant to slopes and can barely land on the moon Eric Berger finally backed this up in an article about a year ago, basically because HLS is so tall there are practically no sites flat enough to land on.
And then there is a load of other stuff. If you follow what Spaceguy5 puts out when he's not talking to mylittlepony creators or having a meltdown he gives insights into stuff like how far along the design of the HLS vehicle is.
>If there’s a small silver lining its that the rocket that exploded Thursday night did not carry its payload of Amazon Leo internet satellites. They were safe, in a nearby integration facility, awaiting launch.
>>16989811 are you lazy or incompetent is a crazy one. I was laughing imagining him saying these. Seems like Elon and Jeff are not too dissimilar. We cna only hope Jeff brings this energy to BO rather than yelling at Amazon workers.
>>16987674 >buying a rocket from an external vendor means higher cost because of profit markup This is not true per se. With vertical integration, the combined company needs higher returns because the cap-ex is higher.
>>16989795 If this one blew on thepad it would be the icing on the cake. We just needed Neutron to undergo its first static fire and nuke the Beckpad after that
>>16989735 I think what the FAA meant is that an FAA license is not needed for a static test fire, thus the FAA was not involved and has no information to provide about the incident
>>16989806 You completely ignored that none of this requires original insight. If he actually was in a technical position, this is exactly what people around him would be saying. But being in a stable doesn't turn you into a horse (to the ponyfucker's infinite disappointment, no doubt).
>>16989843 Nobody was claiming Spacceguy5 is some genius with insane original insights. His value as a source comes from his insider position working on the NASA side of Starship HLS, and his willingness to spill insider information in public arguments. That is all.
>>16989845 Then we are in perfect agreement. He's observationally equivalent to a pedophile janitor who eavesdrops while poorly mopping floors at NASA.
>>16989848 but you just made up the janitor part becuase you personally don't like him. Janitors are probably contracted in and not even real NASA employees. He is a proven NASA employee and nobody has ever called him out for faking his role working on HLS.
https://x.com/MikeSeeley/status/2060352657072525350 >The Eastern Range / Space Launch Delta 45 is open for business: At 8:57am (ET) Friday, SpaceX launched a Falcon 9 rocket carrying Starlink satellites to orbit. This was the view from Titusville, 1:24 in flight, as the rocket passed in front of the Sun.
https://x.com/asherbphotos/status/2060360281662857565 >First look at LC-36 from the air this morning after the explosion of New Glenn last night during a failed hotfire test. Visible is the wreckage from the destroyed TE as well as the fallen lightning tower. More to come soon.
>>16989820 it took 15 months after Amos-6 and that was just the upper stage if a F9 pad exploded and got completely destroyed maybe they would be able to fix it quicker than 15 months now, but BO doesn't really have a lot of experience in building pads
Starship Flight 1 bored a hole, but it didn't explode anything really, and SpaceX had planned to reinforce and replace the concrete with the deluge plate anyway so I would say less infrastructure was damaged, a lot of the replacement was already designed/built in advance due to planned upgrades if that wasn't the case then it would have probably taken more than 7 months
>>16989587 >blorgin fails >T-THIS MEANS SPACEX SHOULD STOP LAUNCHING you cannot convince me this guy is seething this hard about spacex like this for any other reason than him being a teslaQ bag holder. he would never suggest this if it was the other way around, this is the ire of a gambler who lost a gamble and is forever spiteful about it.
>>16989845 he is too deranged to take seriously and thus is not really valuable as a source the fact you can connect some info what he said later into something that might be true doesn't really help you at the moment all you can say is that some of what he says might or might not be true, but when looking at each individual claim, its simply not useful
>>16989884 I think Blue might have a bit more construction resume than you're giving them credit for. One of the stipulations for getting a launch complex for New Glenn out at Vandenberg was that Blue was going to handle the construction themselves. USSF probably wouldn't have agreed to that if they didn't think BO was up to the job.
https://x.com/nyoomtm/status/2060363666688475510 >First look at SLC-36 after New Glenn's explosive anomaly last night. The debris of the second tower appears to be spread across the right side of the pad and the entire area is scorched. The HIF appears ok. Absolutely insane.
>>16989895 The water tower is still standing and the HIF isn't on fire.
>>16989806 >people were saying 4 flights no, they weren't >people were pretending boiloff didn't exist no, they weren't, you're a moron, people knew about boiloff, and also knew that it was a relatively trivial issue to deal with. the guy is a teslaQ loser that lost a bunch of money and has spent most of the rest of his life making up a bunch of bullshit out of pure spite, that incident with the "waste water" being a good example of ways he has tries to outright lie to fuck spacex over. when someone discredits themselves to that degree it's safe to say they're not a good source for anything and should just be ignored.
But really, they'll have to replace the towers, TEL, plus the pad plumbing. Some of the tents aand light structures also took blast damage. Could be worse.
>>16989903 6 months is absurdly optimistic. Even if the remaining tower is salvageable they're still going to have to replace and recertify most if not all of the GSE plumbing, and that's not even getting started on the actual foundations being potentially fucked up. If LC-36 is operational in under a year it's going to be miracle.
>it doesn’t look that bad It looks right fucked, that shockwave probably damaged most GSE beyond serviceable repair. New Glenn is a big ass rocket and that was an unheard of amount of propellant igniting
>>16989815 i wish i wasn't a prophet anon, i didn't wish for the destruction of new glenn, all i wanted was for starship to succeed. i feel like i curled a monkey's paw here.
>>16989909 True. Back in the day we were always saying how it was 17 refuelling flights and not 4. 17 is better than 4 if you really think about it. We also knew that shuttle tiles were obviously the smartest choice for a reusable heat shield. We all knew Musk would pick them over the fad of perspiration cooling or heaven forbid bare steel. he was simply trolling and playing 4d chess when he said those for years, and we were all silently playing along but knew the real plan. And we always knew that Starship would not be orbital by flight 13, because whywould you want to go orbital in under 3 years, thats stupid. And we most importantly knew it would miss the performance target of 100T to LEO, because that was the smartest plan all along. Anyone who says otherwise is lying. We always knew these things and to pretend otherwise is stupid.
>>16989878 It does seem to violate thermodynamics to my dumb eyes but NASA is funding it https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/stmd/niac/niac-studies/mars-roundtrip-success-enabled-by-integrated-cooling-through-inductively-coupled-led-emission-mars-icicle/
>>16989928 it has spoken of the opposite, starship is winning. >newfag doesn't respect GET unsurprising, you don't belong here, back to plebbit with you.
>>16989926 >we were saying it was 17 ah you're a disingenuous retard who is passive-aggressively pretending to be a strawman that exists inside his head.
>>16989936 It took two years to rebuild Wallops after Antares failed, and 15 months to rebuild SLC-40 after AMOS-6. Even with the nigh infinite resources of Jeff Bezos, it'll be two years to rebuild SLC-36, easy.
>>16989937 > We show that electroluminescent cooling with a blue indium gallium nitride diode can provide cooling power as high as , at 250K, and with a coefficient of performance of 0.017. Moreover, it can operate to cryogenic temperature as low as 50K https://pubs.aip.org/aip/jap/article/138/8/083103/3360227/Near-field-electroluminescent-cooling-with-wide Looks legit
>>16989938 YES YES YEEEEEES SISTER. we simultaneously knew but did not know, in a cognitive superposition. Anyone who says otherwise is trolling. You are so fucking brilliant I love youuu!
>>16989546 >Blorgin launch their constellation at-cost Amazon is not Blue Origin. Amazon shareholders wouldn't have sued if BO was offering at-cost prices.
>>16989941 >It took two years to rebuild Wallops after Antares failed A bad joke, if not an outright travesty. A launch complex as small as the one Antares used should be an 8-9 month build when you're working from raw dirt
https://x.com/nyoomtm/status/2060368183807140232 >A closer look at the launch mount area and the tower collapse, where you can see what remains of the strongback and the carnage of that tower collapsing. My heart goes out to the entire Blue family. This is absolutely heartbreaking.
>>16989951 >n-no alright cry yourself to sleep if that's what you want to do, the schizophrenic strawmen inside your head won't go away unless you take your meds.
>>16989967 Maybe. Before it got swallowed by the fireball it was flexing in pretty dramatic ways that I don't think it was ever designed to. Just because it's still standing and looks mostly intact doesn't mean it doesn't have popped rivets and cracked joints all through the structure. It might not even be safe to send people up to check on its condition.
>>16989976 >n-nooooo you're melting down not me!!!!! god is punishing you with a destroyed new glenn because you refuse to stop pretending to be a retard, man, it's unhealthy behaviour.
https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/2060339993520820544 >The ULA team is reacting to an explosion at nearby Space Launch Complex 36. The Atlas V for Amazon’s Leo 7 mission remains secure at SLC-41, where final prelaunch preparations continue for the planned May 29, 2026, 7:33 p.m. EDT liftoff. Teams are supporting the base Emergency Operations Center and assessing all ULA facilities. Initial checks show nominal power and purge systems at SLC-41, and the rocket remains safe. We’ll share updates as they become available.
>>16989985 believe what exactly? he is throwing around numbers depending on different assumptions there was no strict number, there was nothing strict to believe
>>16989986 planes get fleet-grounded for far less, so yes, absolutely. That would be the worst case scenario. They will be in limbo until a conclusion is reached regardless
>>16989985 >if i argue in super bad faith by pretending an optimistic future guess by elon musk from a twitter post is how many tankers HLS will need i will stop being disingenuous you won't. your fundamental obsession with turning >elon musk thought at the time into >H-HE PROMISED US AND EVERYONE BELIEVED IT is really weird and pathetic, china's rockets will also start blowing up because of the curse if you don't stop pretending to be retarded.
>>16989989 So 16 flights went from >EXTREMELY UNLIKELY to >OPTIMISTIC CASE IF STARSHIP ACTUALLY HITS ASPIRATIONAL PERFORMANCE TARGETS Seriously, what happened?
You guys realize it's over right? All of the delusions have been shattered. We're not going to the moon again, Artemis is never going to work. Starship is a joke, their plans are ridiculous and filled with nothing but copium and endless delays and overpromises while underdelivering. With New Glenn there was a tiny, miniscule glimmer that maybe they would be able to take Starship's place and Blue Moon would be able to land the astronauts. But with what happened last night lmao, the entire thing is a disaster. There is no fucking way this is going to happen, I'd bet my life savings on it now. The project will just inevitable get cancelled and they will put the money towards better purposes.
Let the Chinks go to the moon, it doesn't matter anymore anyways.
>>16989992 AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA calling the case of 16 flights extremely unlikely DOES NOT sound like hes saying 4 to 8 flights is an optimistic future guess", and you know it. He's saying that is his baseline and 16 flights (god forbid 17) is super pessemistic. It's as clear as day and yet you have an uhealthy obsession with running round the clock defense for Elon's every claim. Seek help.
>>16989993 again you keep making shit up we don't actually know the performance of Starship block 3 (which will most likely be the one that is used to launch the propellants and be the base for HLS) and what kind of requirements the mission will have i.e. how much propellant is needed
>>16989986 Vulcan getting extra-grounded is a possibility. There's apparently a lot of design differences between Vulcan BE-4s and New Glenn BE-4s, but Blue still needs to work out exactly what part of the engine fucked up before they can greenlight Vulcan if this was an engine problem. Meanwhile, Northrop is still trying to get to the bottom of their SRM issues. I think they might have planned to use Amazon as Guinea pigs was a booster recert that wasn't 100% of the way to USSF standards, but if the core has its own issues that's plan's out the window.
The second to last Atlas V will be fine. Atlas doesn't give a fuck about any of this.
>>16989996 so you know for a fact its going to be 16 tanker flights? you have the specs and mission profile of HLS and the performance of Starship Block 3? Please post them
>>16989999 >he actually said it, oh noooo no nooo! PLEEEEASE don't actually tell me you are trying to say V3 has a payload performance better than 100T (the NASA baseline assumption). My sides hurt.
>>16989996 >h-haha you're not laughing nigga, you're fundamentally a person who is so braindamaged that he thinks people responding to him when he pretends to be a retard is "winning" you are not baiting anyone, you are a lonely person who is pretending to be retarded and because you are too unironically retarded to engage in actual, normal conversation.
>>16990003 it is truly embarrassing how badly you suck at social interaction, i bet you pretend to be retarded online because you shit yourself when you have to talk to real people and acting like a fucking moron is not an option.
>>16990011 the pretend-retard? true. reminder, when the day is done, you will have gained literally nothing from "baiting" goodnatured, honest people who react earnestly to things and don't care about your game of making everything ironica and fake. none of the "baits" you get will ever replace going fishing with friends, playing vidya with your brother or talking about your day with your family, these are things that you will never have because of your own behaviour, filling that hole by pretending to be a retard for attention online will never actually fulfill you. >inb4 d-didn't read you did and are seething.
>>16990004 you just keep doing this thing where you pretend people said something they didn't its like you are arguing with yourself pretending to be retarded again?
is this pretend-retard the same guy who thought he could "punish" a thread by spamming ARCA copypasta because nobody cared about his AIslop thread and then got promptly jannied? fucking embarrassing man.
>>16990020 >people engaging in discourse >one retard suddenly starts acting like a fucking child and pretending to be retarded to prove a "point" because people disagree with him. you're not even baiting for shits and giggles are you? you're once again doing this because you think it's "punishing" the thread for disagreeing with you. get some fucking medication prescribed man, you're not having fun here and you're clearly ruining your life.
>>16990028 everyone who's not the baittard were earnestly trying to have a conversation, the baittard, in his mental illness, sees this as a weakness and not just "how healthy people behave"
>>16990015 >goodnatured honest person Yeah sure. By your emotional volatility you seem to have traits of BPD. Not even joking in the slightest. I knew a girl just like you.
>>16990040 i don't have any emotional volatility, i have been very calmly pointing out everything you're doing and it drives you up the wall every time because you don't think it's fair when other people choose not to engage in your dumb "game". be earnest for once, genuinely, going on a "trolling" spree because people disagreed with you is the height of embarrassing, get a hold of your life.
>>16990036 Musk nuked Models S/X and bet on robotaxi before the software was there. But surely he won't start ramping down F9 before Starship is viable.
https://x.com/interstellargw/status/2060373090295493101/ BLUE ORIGIN AFTERMATH: Blue Origin's teams are out this morning at LC-36 in Florida, preforming initial damage assessments after last nights catastrophic New Glenn rocket explosion…
>>16990046 please don't lash out. just settle down. when people have a discussion in this general it is not a master baiter targeting you specifically. I promise you that. If you get emotionally hurt by anything someone says, just walk away and count to ten, ok? or better yet read a book or something. Please for the sake of /sfg/ stop pissing your emotions up the wall when someone has an opinion different than yours. good luck in life fren, and please dont reply because I feel its unhealthy to engage with you.
>>16990052 he wanted the one resource that he realized he could capitalize on better than SpaceX, the good graces of the incumbent industry leaders and their associates who really like it when you don't rock the boat and don't make headlines
>>16990048 S and X were nuked due to new regulations forcing complete re-engineering of them and as they weren't selling that much to begin with they were going to be shut down sooner or later as it happens to be, Tesla also needed space for a pilot plant for Optimus (an actual big new factory is under construction, but that will take time)
>>16990072 It wouldn’t be a bad idea to try and manifest it on a Falcon Heavy. The optics aren’t that bad for blue (like how could it get any worse at this point lol) and you at least are chucking some important hardware to the Moon and trying SOMETHING to keep company/Artemis momentum going
>>16990093 don't even need elon to do anything. though i believe spacex will have starship v3 operational with functional payload within the year. blorigin will get things back up and running in less than 8 months as well
>>16990046 to be fair every post of yours is riddled with emotional language and low brow attacks on character. you are overall worse than the average /sfg/ poster, which is a low bar to get under.
>Just got word back from a Blue source. Internal cameras showed substantial damage happening to the interior of the integration facility, when the shockwave hit the building. And that includes damage to the other New Glenn booster that was in there. JUST
>>16990097 it... does, though? hardware rich means it's churning through more unrecoverable hardware, which they are. I guess if you mean to be hardware rich it must literally only apply to being a combustion additive, but in that case BO wouldn't count either as shrapnel is not consumed in combustion
>>16989941 >>16989957 Aah... The old Antares explosion. Feels like history repeating itself right now. Back then Antares nuking their pad allowed Falcon to win during COTS. Now New Glenn nuking its pad may allow Starship to win HLS. >>16990114 Antares was owned and operated by Oribtal ATK. No more a government operation than Falcon 9.
>>16990061 Bro we are still in the "trying to get to orbit without exploding" era of reusable-space (aka Sputnik era) We ain't landing on the moon for a decade
>>16990125 >when you use soviet engines that have been sitting around for longer than most kids on /sfg/ have been alive that was rushing into service and never properly hotfired
Artemis is a joke. If NASA wanted to actually beat China they would mandate a lunar lander which uses storable propellants and which can fit atop Falcon Heavy. Building the lander in 2 back to back Falcon Heavy flights would clearly be by far the most reliable and cost effective option.
>>16990126 This is actually a bit worse because it relies on more complex GEM-63XLT boosters for control authority on ascent. It also requires that Northrop get its shit together for its large composite program, which has blown up more than a few nozzles of its own.
>>16990133 not for anything else besides just another flags and footprints mission Artemis isn't about repeating Apollo, its about permanent presence eventually
>>16990130 their luck is that they blow things up in testing and everyone else blows their shit up on missions where they're carrying a payload or people.
>>16990145 of a booster that was certified for flight and meant to carry a payload soon after.
spacex finds failures early, everyone else waits until the last second to do real world testing and is then surprised when reality doesn't agree with their simulations.
>>16990133 FH's direct TLI isn't that high it will struggle with big payloads. Hard to integrate a third stage with the already very tall and skinny FH.
https://x.com/KenKirtland17/status/2060392575190610207 >The bad news is yeah, the entire U.S. space industry has essentially fallen on SpaceX’s shoulders. The good news is this has happened probably 3 times in the last 10 years and they haven’t ever failed. Still I would like to stop testing this!
>>16990159 >n-no it worked >w-which is why i'm so angry and can't stop replying! i'm not the one who sperged out and started pretending to be retarded as soon as my feelings were hurt, that's you bud. stop embarrassing yourself, you're on a forum for shitposting about rockets, and you're here attentionwhoring because you can't get any from your loved ones, get a grip.
>>16990145 their payload missions going forward are kaput so it's the same thing, actually worse than their previous failure which did take out the payload
I filed a FOIA request for any potential footage from NASA442 (a NASA heli that was around LC-36 during the incident) What are the odds I actually get anything, assuming footage does exist?
>>16989901 I can't see how blast damage /shockwave would cause only a specific spar to bend back like that. Looks like an engine flew into it, probably embedded itself into the tower
>>16990118 >Antares nuking their pad allowed Falcon to win during COTS Not really, Falcon had already won (and Antares, too, that's why it could blow itself on a COTS mission) and it also CRS-7'd itself a few months later. The actual interesting part was that both US providers shitting themselves in short succession meant that there was a bit of consideration of ISS supplies getting strained. Of course Baseduz and Progress still worked but it was getting talked about.