https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/2060394161488945339 >United Launch Alliance has initiated the countdown for today's launch of the Atlas V rocket to deploy 29 advanced broadband satellites into space for Amazon Leo. Our launch opportunity opens at 7:33:30 p.m. EDT (2333:30 UTC) for liftoff from Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida. The launch countdown is a tightly scripted sequence of procedures and steps over the next seven hours that will complete pre-launch testing, fill the rocket with propellants and put systems into flight mode. Our live status blog begins at 4:30 p.m. EDT (2030 UTC) prior to the start of fueling operations and the livestream starts 20 minutes before launch.
>>16990237 they didn't? Starship development has been going full tilt across multiple locations for years straight. you do understand that there is infrastructure buildout and vehicle construction/testing going on even when there aren't launches, right?
>>16990237 SpaceX has had spectacularly high cadence compared to anything else. Stop shilling for SLS, you are humiliating yourself and need to get your head checked.
>>16989806 >And then there is a load of other stuff. If you follow what Spaceguy5 puts out when he's not talking to mylittlepony creators or having a meltdown he gives insights into stuff like how far along the design of the HLS vehicle is.
He banned me from that Artemis discord because he claimed Elon only thought up 9 engine Starship after Flight 1 and I responded with Elon tweeting about 9 engine Starship a year before Flight 1.
>>16990262 >>16990246 >>16990251 can you guys actually stick to arguing about facts and trends and shit for five minutes stop pretending to have ovaries
>>16990274 SpaceX builds easily the most satellites, so they are probably pretty cheap compared to the competition but didn't the US military have some thing where they try to spread the contracts around regardless of price or performance perhaps they have changed the contracting rules
>>16990275 >y-your g-grammar reminder, when the day is done, you will have gained literally nothing from being a prretend retard and "baiting" goodnatured, honest folx
>>16990186 the pretend-retard can't help himself, he sperged out because people didn't agree with his fantasy version of events regarding the amount of HLS refuelings, and tried to "punish" the thread again, very embarrassing.
>>16990246 everyone is making fun of you, bud, not one person. btw, the reason this mindbroken guy calls everyone some variation of "kun" now is because i used it on him once during one of his earlier spergouts a few months ago, yes, he's that fragile and petty, he thinks everyone who notices his behaviour is one person.
genuinely, the insane asylums need to be opened up again, there's way too many people like this guy who clearly can't navigate the internet responsibly without going completely insane.
>>16990284 >pretend retard talks to himself and passive-aggressively quotes something i said in previous thread like i said, behaving like this should be an instant permaban, this guy clearly isn't conscious.
>>16990322 >pretend retard talks to himself and passive-aggressively quotes something i said in previous thread what the fuck are you even talking about? this is exactly what i'm talking about every time you do this. you invent some bizarre narrative in your head, convince yourself it's real, and then start arguing against it as if everyone else can see the hallucination too. nobody is copying you, man. you're not the main character of /sfg/.
>>16990332 hey faggot >>16990284 >>16990015 you're genuinely too retarded to understand that people can read the previous thread, aren't you? because you're so scared of direct confrontation, you keep playing this game of samefagging musical chairs where every single time you have a meltdown that was >someone else and actually I'M insane for noticing that passive-aggressive copy of someone my own post. not you for, you know, making it.
again, forums were not invented for people like you, you're not capable of using them responsibly.
>>16990265 followup: they did not stop pretending to have ovaries there is a multithread schizophrenic rageout going on and none of the people involved have said anything about space in hours. at this point I'd even take the proont vs anti proont debates we used to have for weeks at a time
>>16990341 oh, most of the people attempted to talk about spaceflight, there's one guy that insists on turning everything into a "bait" war and that's this guy: >>16989806 people went against his perfect fantasy reality ONE time and he instantly started having a passive-aggressive multi-thread meltdown, he's the sole person sperging out. btw reminder that this baittard guy directly threatened he would aggressively spam /sfg/ for weeks as "punishment" for ignoring his AIslop thread, and then got jannied after one day of doing it LMAO, he's genuinely a fucking loser who finds power in ruining discussion in a small, slow general because he has zero power in real life, much like a redditor.
https://x.com/charlesboyer/status/2060424971810144286 >@FAANews "The FAA issued the Final Environmental Assessment for the SpaceX Starfall reentry vehicle. The review evaluated the environmental impacts of reentry, splashdown, and recovery activities. Under the proposal, SpaceX would launch two Starfall missions to Low Earth Orbit or to a sub-orbital trajectory as a payload on the Falcon 9 or the Starship-Super Heavy launch vehicles. The capsules would splashdown in the Pacific Ocean off the U.S. west coast in international waters. The completion of the environmental review process does not guarantee the FAA will issue a Starfall reentry license. The SpaceX application must also meet safety, risk and financial responsibility requirements before a license can be issued."
>>16990337 >you're so scared of direct confrontation nobody is scared of "direct confrontation", man. snap back into reality, we are on a very slow general on the anonymous image board 4chan. If this is you being earnest please seek help from someone you trust, anon. You sound like you are manic.
>>16990345 >we are on a very slow general and that's probably why your strategies aren't working the way you expect them to on a faster board, see >>16990342 people can recognize your writing style and watched you schizo out throughout the thread, it's not hidden or slid into the archive on a board this slow. you're going out of your way to try and gaslight anyone who noticed because you're on some level embarrassed of your own actions, which i guess is better than not feeling anything at all. next time just don't sperg out.
>>16990349 https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/2060469858324660321 >Good afternoon from Atlas V launch control at Cape Canaveral where fueling is underway with cryogenic propellants for today's Amazon Leo 7 launch carrying 29 advanced broadband spacecraft. Atlas and Centaur propulsion console operators are performing the steps to command the pad systems to begin flowing 66,000 gallons of liquid oxygen and liquid hydrogen in the rocket over the next 90 minutes. We are on schedule to launch the Atlas V 551 rocket at 7:33:30 p.m. EDT (2333:30 UTC). The weather forecast remains 30 percent favorable.
>>16990348 anon I haven't been on this thread all day. Funny you say that people can regognize writing style, because yours is actually so stark for the absolute melt down you are having with every post. Are you trolling, or no? I would respect the hustle if you are.
>>16990351 That 30% might be a good thing. If this follows the same track as the last one there could be a chance for it to be visible for East Coast. The current cloud forecast might have some objections to that.
the only guy melting down is the guy who, in the previous thread, started acting like a passive aggressive version of what he thinks people who disagreed with him on the depot thing sound like: >>16989806 this guy he someone disagreed with him, and he immediately started acting like a passive-aggressive toddler for the rest of the thread, his meltdown begins here: >>16989926
>>16990274 these satellites are the ones that will require the orbital data centers to work properly. this contract is going to be worth way more than $4 billion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA-S1JGzph4
>16989806 >16989926 >16989951 >16989985 >16989993 >16990004 >16989996 >16989923 >16989928 >16989939 >16989976 >16990003 >16990011 >16990040 >16990059 >16990159 >16990167 >16990212 the full baittard meltdown. all of these posts sound like they were made by an insecure teenage girl.
>>16990359 https://x.com/charlesboyer/status/2060427307379040448 >If you haven't heard much about SpaceX's Starfall project, it's planned to have Starship carry compact, uncrewed laboratory capsules into Earth orbit. The capsules will harness the unique conditions of microgravity to conduct research and manufacture goods, then return.
It's kinda like stealing Varda's business model and mixing it with a Transporter rideshare mission
>>16990278 spreading around to different competitors only means anything when the competitors are roughly within the same budget, and when launch is the limiter on how many sats you can put up
I think we are fucked. Blue Origin being knocked out of the race means Artemis may just be cancelled. SpaceX need a rival to push them, best that could happen is BO seeming to get ahead, otherwise Musk will dilly-dally with HLS because SpaceX have very little financial incentive to get it working compared to Starlink.
https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/2060499059090039037 >The launch weather officer confirms that all conditions remain observed GO for liftoff of the Atlas V rocket at 7:35 p.m. EDT (2335 UTC).
https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/2060504139889549775 >Weather conditions have gone NO GO due to anvil clouds moving too close to the launch pad. We will be extending this hold an additional few minutes to await improvement.
>>16990455 this gif reminds me: how would history have gone differently if BO had gone straight for an orbital rocket and not fumbled around with this space tourism hopper crap?
>>16990465 They were going to do that. New Shepard was actually a technology testbed for the systems they were planning to use. Once they their commercial crew bid lost to Dragon 2 and Starliner they decided that a partly reusable medium lifter wasn't a good fit for their long term plans, and unveiled New Glenn shortly after that.
>>16990472 oh right, i knew new shepard was a tech test bed, but didnt know they planned a medium lifter. i always assumed the capsule idea was for new glenn.
>>16990474 That might actually have been the case, kind of. 2012-2016 was a really weird period in Blue Origin history where there were a lot of things that were known to be in development but there wasn't much certainty about where any of them were leading. The BE-3 was deep into testing, but New Shepard wouldn't actually fly until 2015. The BE-4 was in development in partnership with ULA (alongside the AR1) but it wasn't actually a part of any rockets yet. Jeff had spoken on a number of occasions about building his own orbital launch vehicle, but aside from a few very speculative 3D renders there weren't any specifics known about what Blue was actually working on. The best anyone could guess was that it would be somewhere in the medium lift range alongside the Falcon 9 v1.0 and Antares because it was existent as a part of Blue's commercial crew bid. Then Blue lost commercial crew and won the main engine contract for Vulcan and things started to crystalize.
After New Glenn was announced in 2016 there were a lot of rumors floating around about an even larger "New Armstrong" successor rocket. I've always wondered if New Armstrong was the name for a hypothetical heavy or superheavy lift vehicle that was first sketched out alongside the BE-4's development process and that the original New Glenn was this weird BE-3 powered Falcon competitor.
https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/2060514322929926443 >The United Launch Alliance Atlas V rocket heads to space carrying 29 broadband satellites for Amazon Leo, a network that will bring fast, reliable internet to customers and communities around the world. This is the Atlas V's seventh mission to help deplpy the Leo constellation.
https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us7000spdd/executive >M 2.5 Accidental Explosion - Blue Origin New Glenn rocket explosion >2026-05-29 01:00:03 (UTC)28.471°N 80.538°W0.0 km depth >The Blue Origin New Glenn rocket explosion generated seismic waves that traveled through the Earth and were detected on three seismographic stations. The most distant station was 220 km (135 miles) from the rocket. The estimated magnitude of M2.5 is not directly comparable to an earthquake because the rocket explosion was not contained within the Earth, resulting in less efficient energy coupling. The event location is fixed to the explosion site.
>Some of my senior engineers and I spent time at Blue Origin with Jeff Bezos and Dave Limp, speaking with the workforce and seeing the damage at LC-36 firsthand. I appreciated the opportunity to hear directly from those working through the aftermath and better understand the challenges ahead. There is a lot of work to do, but this is exactly why people choose careers in aerospace, whether at NASA, Blue Origin, or across the industry. The talent in this field thrives under pressure and performs at its best when solving the toughest problems.
>We have been saying for months at NASA that we are not going to sit on our hands and wait for the capabilities necessary to achieve the nation’s most pressing objectives. We are going to take an active role alongside our partners, just as we did in the 1960s, to overcome setbacks, remove obstacles, and deliver the intended outcomes. NASA is committed to helping the Blue team recover, continue to advance their lunar lander and get New Glenn back to launching as soon as safely possible. America’s greatest achievements in space were never the result of avoiding setbacks. They came from overcoming them. We have done it before, and we will do it again
>>16990502 >America’s greatest achievements in space were never the result of avoiding setbacks. They came from overcoming them. We have done it before, and we will do it again kino
>>16990497 https://x.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/2060528807426097352 >Well the June 1st date once held up for days with NOTAMs confirming it, but new ones released yesterday now shows another delay to NET June 8
>>16990484 You raise an interesting point about New Armstrong being the original name for a superheavy lift rocket before BO skipped the medium lift one. Never heared that take before and it may well be true. The New Armstrong renders featured a hypothesised reusable upper stage, and we know BO have been testing parts for such a stage in recent years, but it's designed to fit on New Glenn. So yeah seems that the functions of whatever New Armstrong originally was are taken by New Glenn now. Makes sense of the weird naming convention too. It's not like John Glenn was going to the moon, so why call the rocket that? But if it was meant to be a Falcon/Antares style small LEO truck it makes perfect sense.
>>16990518 uh oh, seems like someone can't handle a little failure, it's actually very necessary to fail a lot when pursuing novel technology, but the twatter bot can't seem to tell the difference
>>16990297 some new safety regulation (Euro NCAP), they did some things to keep up with it and keep a very good safety rating throughout the years, but core physical frame of the S has existed since 2008
>>16990651 >begging for jannies on the guy actually talking about engineering and not the literal hundreds of pages of faggots acting out highschool drama
I got an email from my broker (a fairly mainstream service) about the upcoming IPO. They never did this when Firefly or whoever went public. So all the normies are getting primed for it.
>>16990676 its 30% compared to the usual 5-10% that goes to retail and they are raising so much money (like 80bil) that the 30% retail allocation means 24 billion that means a lot of individual retail people
>>16990681 and now youre playing pretend retard again to get the attention you never got from friends or family. you've spent the last however many threads "baiting", trying to get attention from strangers, and now you're acting shocked that people can recognize you. you're not subtle. that's the problem.
>>16990708 no, you're passive-aggressively copying what i said again, baittard. the only one in this thread who's been having consistent melties is the person behind the posts highlighted here >>16990376 seriously, why does what i say make you so mad? if you want to act like a toddler, go to nu/pol/ and add to the sludge there, you're not welcome here.
>>16990708 I count you as one of the highschool drama faggots, it goes both ways, all I was saying is it's suspicious to whine for jannies on that post and not this behavior
>>16990717 there's only one worth blocking thoughbeit. baittardism was gay and pathetic 20 years ago and it's gay and pathetic now, these reddit tourists insist that they have the right to shit up a thread because it's "le 4chan haha le /b/ amirite". probably found this place through nu/pol/ or one of the many other third worlder gateway boards that infest this site now.
>>16990725 >>16990729 and you've transitioned into another character now, cool, nobody cares dude.
this guy does this every time. schizo's out because someone disagrees with him on something pertaining to starship, people notice and point it out, and he spends the next few days aggressively trying to gaslight anyone who notices that it didn't happen and accusing literally everyone of being himself. he's going to samefag super hard now to create as much confusion as possible.
if this retard put as much effort into finding a job as he did trying to shit up a small general like this, maybe he wouldn't be a failed loser now.
>>16990518 if he can't understand that there's a choice behind choosing perfect by design versus incremental improvements to working hardware, he's a fucking retard you can take a position on which is better although it's smarter to realize that the optimal choice depends on context but if you don't even realize there's a trade off to be made, you should be chucked in the wood chipper
>>16990740 yep, we're seeing the tradeoff of new glenn's waterfall style of development now, the assumption is that so much effort has been put into simulating and testing the design before it's put in real world conditions, that when it is there, there's nothing to worry about, and it's ready for commercial use.
if you then run into problems with your finished design when it's already got customers designated for it, you get the current situation with new glenn.
it's easy to laugh at starship because of the explosions, but the truth is starship finds these catastrophic problems before they cause nasty consequences to your company and your reputation, while new glenn failed once to bring a paying customer to orbit and now has to delay another customer's launch possibly by more than a year because one of their flight ready boosters turned out to not be so flight ready and blew itself up along with a bunch of operational launch pad infrastructure.
>>16990742 >still projecting note how this guy is only telling everyone who noticed this melty >>16990376 to calm down. he is going out of his way to ignore his own posts because he's samefagging, and is kind of panicking and trying to create confusion.
>IM MELTING DOWN, IF ANYBODY TELLS ME TO CALM DOWN THEY A-ARE A C-COMPILATION OF POSTS I M-MADE No? Just humiliating at this point honestly. Please for the sake of /sfg/ ask your mom to take your phone. The thread has become unusable again since you started.
>>16990747 >melting down this hard because none of your samefagging is working baittard, you're using literally the exact same writing style from your earlier melty, you're not slick. stop samefagging, it doesn't work on slow boards like this.
>>16990744 when has waterfall ever been quicker and cheaper overall than the SpaceX style of hardware-rich iterative design? people are just so fucking retarded that they think, explosion = bad, regardless of the context
starship exloding while on a test flight over the gulf = slight delay until the next one is launched New Glenn exploding on their only launch pad = catastrophic delay that fucks over their customers
an explosion isn't just an explosion, context matters but these retards don't seem to know the difference you could even say that some explosions don't really matter at all lets say we two scenarios 1) waterfall, takes 15 years and costs 20bil and 0 explosions (lets ignore ground tests to failure etc in places where the public doesn't notice them) 2) iterative hardware rich,20 years, 20bil, 100 explosions which one is better?
at this point the EDS poster and the anti-EDS poster are shitting up the thread similarly if you just ignored the EDS or in the very least, just commented something like "that is wrong and retarded, here are the reasons why" and then kept it at that without going into long drawn out bickering, then that would be fine but you start looking almost as bad with this multithread back and forth (assuming its not just the same EDS poster that is samefagging with himself now, wouldn't really put it past him considering the arca spam a few threads back)
>>16990747 >i-if you d-don't let me samefag in peace i'm going to make the thread unusable again good that you're admitting it's you who's making the thread unusable lmao, you just can't stop yourself, literally the only thing i have to do is point to your earlier posts and you come out swinging insisting that it's not you.
recognize that you had your melty, feel ashamed, resolve to do better next time, and then shut up, stop playing this gay ass game of musical chairs and stop trying to gaslight people, it's not going to make the embarrassment go away.
>>16990764 >assuming its not just the same EDS poster that is samefagging with himself now, wouldn't really put it past him considering the arca spam a few threads back) im leaning in this direction. would love to block the pair of them
>>16990764 no, i'm going to keep pointing out his behaviour because it makes him go ballistic and increases the chances of janny intervention. having a sociopath like this in the thread is not acceptable.
>>16990764 >just commented something like "that is wrong and retarded" people did, doesn't stop him from continuing to shit up the thread, after his ARCA spergout i genuinely think he just shouldn't be on the board period, he has nothing to add.
it's the baittard samefagging again and doing what i just told you he'd do. dude has literally zero shame. if you see some dude randomly accusing you of being the baittard, chances are it's him trying to gaslight and muddy the waters again.
>>16990763 lol the timelines and costs were supposed to be similar, but anyway the point is, what matters are the results you get in the end and you could argue that having a lot of "explosions" i.e. actually testing the hardware extensively your hardware will be much more reliable F9 is very reliable, it was extensively tested
https://x.com/MikeSeeley/status/2060713581226709479 >Another view of the 8:57am (ET) Friday, May 29, SpaceX launch, a Falcon 9 rocket carrying Starlink satellites to orbit. This was the view from Titusville, 1:24 in flight, as the rocket passed in front of the Sun, shown first in real time, and then slowed to 5% speed for a better view of those majestic shockwaves. Filmed with a Canon R5 w/ an RF100-500L & 1.4x TC with a solar filter.
>>16990763 NTA but at this point it doesn't matter. Most of the criticisms of any given commercial rocket is because it's commercial. NASA could kill another 7 astronauts and a bunch of committees and hearings would make it all better while any perceived failure (explosion, whether intentional or not) of a commercial vehicle invalidates the whole experiment.
To answer your question tho. I'm more leaning to a Falcon/R-7 hybrid approach. Both rockets had a viable product early on and became extremely reliable and higher performance with experience and production.
I honestly believe starship development has engineers getting complicit with the process. Improvements to the architecture are being made but simultaneously certain details are being left to flight testing or just being executed outright sloppily because there is an assumption of these aren't operational missions so they don't have to care.
>>16990780 Yeah some people are just ideologically anti commercial space (like spaceguy5 it seems), having a conversation/argument with them won't lead anywhere
>I honestly believe starship development has engineers getting complicit with the process. Improvements to the architecture are being made but simultaneously certain details are being left to flight testing or just being executed outright sloppily because there is an assumption of these aren't operational missions so they don't have to care. but if it lets them do other things in the mean time, speeding up the program in whole? fixing the most pressing issue, then moving on to the next etc iterating through the ship and booster, at some points it might make sense to test a clean sheet design if they had waited to do that on paper for a few years, they wouldn't have been able to test and iterate on other systems in flight-like conditions I guess you could argue that at some point it starts to hinder things if the failures happen in a way that prevents testing the thing they were using the engineering time on (i.e. mission ending before getting to re-entry blocks some tile tests and so on) but is there a counterfactual of what would have happened if Starship was designed the oldspace way?
>>16990784 This. All of those rube goldberg machines like launch loops and space elevators are relics of the expendable era, when getting to orbit seemed impossibly out of reach
>>16990788 elevators and mass drivers make sense off Earth, depending on the body. they never made sense on Earth, though. an elevator requires an existing fully reusable launch infrastructure in the thousands of flights a year to even start thinking about feasibly building so it never made sense as a cope
>>16990786 If Starship was done completely in the old way, you'd likely see a production and operational vehicle in the same time span. BUT what you'd have is likely be V1 levels of performance in terms of mass to LEO. Kinda like what you are seeing with New Glenn where it's clearly overweight and underperforming even as it kinda worked the first few times.
Starship in it's current configuration is a legit monster. Certain metrics of the stack are coming close to an expendable rocket like mass ratios despite concessions to materials and engineering that has to be there because of reusability/manufacturability. That would not have happened if developed any other way.
guys did you see the blue origin news from yesterday?!?1 they were awarded a NRO launch. https://www.ssc.spaceforce.mil/Newsroom/Article/4504468/space-force-awards-blue-origin-task-order-to-launch-national-reconnaissance-mis
>>16990763 the hardware rich design philosophy spacex uses is more expensive IF you you don't have good manufacturing infrastructure, that's the tradeoff.
>>16990799 fun fact, in the early falcon days Elon hired the manufacturing manager from Mini Cooper, because he saw parallels in small-production car manufacturing & F9
>>16990820 >only pointing to posts that aren't him I know. They are yours, sperg-kun. Thanks for admitting in 4k that you have been samefagging this whole thread. Quick! Better roll it back.
>>16990824 >>16990830 >everyone who notices the arcafag melting down is one guy >y-you pointed out i was samefagging again, b-but actually YOU'RE samefagging not me!!!! take your meds, baittard. you're just that noticeable, this is a slow board, none of these sociopathic tactics work here.
How likely is it that New Glenn is still an untested vehicle that have bugs for basic stuff that Starship/SpaceX has figured out along the way through thousands of static fire tests, WDR, fueling procedures?
>>16990847 Well the chance is close to 100% if you are comparing to Falcon, because SpaceX has flown so many Falcons and has been locked on the Block 5 design for almost all of the flights. Comparing to Starship, New Glenn is defintiely more developed. Remember, Starship had a ship and booster explode during testing in separate incidents quite recently. Plus V3 is flight tested a grand total of once, where it partially failed.
>>16990849 BO lack the charismatic showman of Musk, but it's inspiring to see Bezos show no wavering and reassure everyone that Blue will rebuild. They will be stornger as a result of this. They will move on to the bigger New Glenn (which can carry their reusable upper stage), and their relaxed culture will be sharpened by this big failure.
>>16990847 in most ways it makes no sense to compare Starship and New Glenn beyond competing contracts, New Glenn is trying to be F9+. despite being far less tested every aspect of NG is more traditional and conservative
>>16990859 Why would he make it? The Falcon 5 would have been capable of maybe 4 tons to orbit, and had no anchor customer. Falcon 9 started at 9 tons to orbit, and NASA's COTS program gave priority to get Falcon 9 flying. After seeing how parachute based recovery was not viable with the vehicle, they changed strategy to pursue propulsive reuse, and by that point the justification to try and develop Falcon 5 vanished completely.
>>16990846 >you guys there's only one guy doing this >>16990839 >noooooo i totally haven't been gaslighting everyone your writing style is incredibly recognizable, you've been seething for hours already.
>>16990876 /o/ is mostly enthusiasts, they tend to hate EVs but I wasn't trying to talk about them, someone said something that wasn't true, I corrected them, they asked a followup question to clarify and I provided that clarification
>>16990880 well it seems that you're talking about how European motor vehicle registrations have effected some of Tesla's EVs. This is in fact not spaceflight related
https://thenextweb.com/news/danish-pension-spacex-blacklist-governance-overvalued >A Danish pension fund has blacklisted SpaceX, calling it grossly overvalued with catastrophic governance >AkademikerPension will not buy SpaceX shares at any price near the $1.8 trillion IPO target, saying the company cannot reasonably be worth more than $1 trillion and that Musk’s voting control makes it effectively uninvestable danish bros...
>>16990918 also, this is interesting >The company’s S-1 filing revealed that Musk holds roughly 85% of voting power through a dual-class share structure in which Class B shares carry ten votes each compared with one vote for the Class A shares being offered to the public. Musk simultaneously serves as chief executive, chief technology officer, and board chair. >That concentration of control means public shareholders will have no practical ability to influence company decisions. Musk can appoint a majority of the board and cannot be removed as CEO without his own consent. SpaceX will claim controlled-company status after listing, which exempts it from Nasdaq rules requiring a majority of independent directors
>>16990920 while on some level i get it, i always find it funny when investors go like >nooooo we're supposed to be able to make executive decisions and fuck around with a product we don't understaaaand! like most of these cocksuckers don't understand jack for shit about any of the engineering involved with the product, but many of them have the glib cockyness to assume they'll be able to influence the company's decisions positively in the long run with their inputs.
not even specifically talking about spacex here at this point, this is just a general rant about investors being overconfident retards outside their field of expertise and it biting them in the ass.
>>16990954 only if it hits india, i'm still dissapointed by that big one that had a chance of hitting india a little while ago but turned out to be a nothingburger.
>>16990957 >what's the point of investing into company that you get out of it what you get out of it is insider info as to how the company is doing, helping you inform whether or not you should stay invested, and having the share prices go up and make money off of it because you invested in it.
don't mistake me for a fool, i'm not trying to pretend i don't UNDERSTAND why these people want voting control so badly, i just think that for most of the people investing, they'd honestly make significantly worse decisions than the company staff, boeing is a good example of this killing a company over time, people talk about the management there, but one of the things slowly choking that thing to death is the numerous investors all trying to make decisions about engineering shit they know nothing about, leading to an endless cycle of short term profit margin autism that slowly cannibalizes the company into nothing.
>>16990957 people invest in companies mainly to get money either through share appreciation or dividends, not because they want to influence a companys decisions
>>16990960 well, they do, but mostly as >>16990959 mentioned because investors almost always choose to use their voting power to destroy the whole company for "efficiency" and short-term profit margin increases to bump the stock up further, which later leads to the death of said company, there's a pretty clear pattern of that kind of thing happening when the core people behind the company get their share of the vote reduced, however people might hate musk or the rest of upper crust of spacex, i think it still holds up here, and that's probably what musk fears most from going public.
>>16990956 >glib cockyness to assume they'll be able to influence the company's decisions positively in the long run If by positively you mean suck it dry, they are actually very good at that. SpaceX loses billions a year as we saw in the recent releases, but if the funds got a hold of management they would be able to fire everyone but a skeleton crew responsible for Falcon operations, outsource most of those remaining jobs, and make a small fortune for many years.
>>16990959 >i just think that for most of the people investing, they'd honestly make significantly worse decisions than the company staff There are multiple problems exhibited by people who have made enough money to invest to that level. Some think that since they made money one way they can make it in any other way. Others really dont see the investment target as anything other than a stock price to be manipulated. This is also the problem with public traded companies in general, where the company officers are obligated by law to have return on investment as a primary concern, and that often runs counter to actual sound business practices.
I was wondering what it would feel like if this thing rolled over your foot while it was fully loaded with the Artemis 2 mission. So I did some calculations.
These numbers I found from the internet: >the weight of the whole vehicle: 5000 tons >the dimensions of one rectangular piece of a track = 25*90 square inches
In picrel you can also see that 21 of those rectangles are in contact with the ground on one track, which means 168 overall. By doing the math, you get the pressure to be equal to 212 kilos per dollar bill of surface area. Assuming it was rolling on grass or gravel or something, it wouldn't even be that bad actually.
>>16990989 Makes sense that the weight would be distributed over a large surface area, considering the size. I fucking love watching huge things move about in exactly the way you don't expect they could.
>>16990989 tracked vehicles in general tend to have pretty low surface pressure but that thing would instantly detrack because your foot isn't made of good pure Alabama river rock
>>16990989 Are you dumb or simply retarded? Your foot presents an elevated surface, so the pressure would not be evenly spread across the entire gorund and your foot. The oresssure of the plate above yourfoot would be focused on your foot until it is reduced down to the elevation of the surrounding ground. Then the pressure would be spread evenly. Your foot would be reduced to a flat paste.
>>16991004 Insanely large scale building projects are one of the things I'm fascinated by the most. Whether it be a billion dollar cruise ship, a crazy ass bridge or a half a kilometer tall sky skraper. That stuff is just so cool to think about
>>16991016 how much would it hurt your foot normally if you applied enough weight and pressure to sink it totally level with the ground through an already dense and compacted substrate of ALABAMA RIVER ROCKS™? my guess is it would hurt pretty fucking badly. though your foot might not get entirely crushed.
fun fact i once had a bus drive over my feet when i was 12 and it didn't hurt at all, granted it wasn't going super fast but still.
>>16991020 >i once had a bus drive over my feet when i was 12 I had the same thing. I upset the driver so he nearly ran me over. The front of my shoe was messed up but it hurt no more than having a fat guy jump on my foot.
https://x.com/PhazzeeYeehaw/status/2060820650776789321 >A few hours ago a Long March 2D departed from Xichang to bring four more GuoWang test satellites into orbit, to trial direct-to-device services and coordination with ground networks
>>16991025 yeah, probably would suck ass if a tire went and parked on my foot for 15 seconds, but as it was, it only stung for a second and nothing more.
>>16991027 The shuttle has such a fucking grip on the cultural zeitgeist. This piece of shit hasn’t flown in 15 years yet it’s still the go-to rocket for normies
if astronauts deserve admiration for risking their lives aboard a rocket Then why don't i deserve admiration every time i drive home absolutely hammered?
>>16990989 One of my feet was run over by a pickup (I was helping push it and put my foot in the wrong place because I'm retarded) but it was fine, probably because it was the rear tire of a dualie with an empty bed.
>>16990826 I got an email from an actual human at NASA HQ explaining that they got my request and are processing it. Important to note that apparently FOIA requests tend to go beyond the 20 day limit, but that seems to be for the bigger gov agencies. Unsure if NASA is faster. If we're lucky I'll have something to share (either the video or a rejection) within 20 days.
>>16991123 As far as I understand it, the math doesn’t necessarily prevent local bubbles from moving FTL. This is enough to satisfy me; not like we will be likely to see any sort of FTL meme ship in our lifetime even if we all lived to 120 yrs old
>>16991151 They're very stubborn in refusing to die, despite being a European spaceflight company. I'd like to watch them succeed, if only because we could watch the French and Germans suffer a bit.
BO should buy ULA, primarily for the ground facilities but also the remaining Atlas inventory while SLC-36 is repaired. BO can pivot to work on New Glenn 9x4 while continuing to fly Atlas, Vulcan, and the remaining NG 7x2 hardware. Do it Jeff.
>>16991240 This will also be a test of how good the US is at rebuilding large infrastructure. This is a hell of a lot more important than the Baltimore bridge...
>>16991240 >this is how I find out xitter suspended my account because the AI thinks me not posting makes me a bot fucking gay, you don't even get to be a passive observer without getting depersoned nowadays anyway >but Bezos runs supply chains does Amazon even touch bulk construction material supply? even if they did, which I don't think they significantly do, why would it really matter? they're not going to cause every up and downstream bottleneck to magically disappear even if they sent down the line that the trucks have to give priority because it's a Beezmergency.
>>16991247 I don't see how this is comparable. Structurally this is way simpler. You're building on fucking land, scrapping the old one is way simpler, it's not in active use unlike the shipping lane under the bridge, and they don't need to start a long process to design and build a new tower type for replacement. Even if it contains a lot of special stage 0 sauce compared to a bridge.
>>16991247 The bridge isn't necessarily like for like. An updated design will be used, one that will prevent future such accidents. This is unfortunate because I hate Baltimore.
>>16991307 This, everyone forgets that SpaceX' specialty is turning the impossible into late They're the first and fastest to do things, but slower than what musk wants and thinks is possible (with no setbacks at all), which is a timetable he used to share a lot in the past but it's lead to bad press because they keep missing the deadline on an impossible task by 2 years and get ridiculed for it like "haha wow you promised the impossible 2 years ago and you're only now making it happen??? you guys are such failures!!"
>>16991220 No you still have to attach a rocket to it which makes it dumb I know Maybe a solid fuel one eh But as a proof of concept its surprising no one ever tried
>>16991349 it's more the fact that it's an actual contract vs. an internal goal with no ground broken. Vulcan has been feature complete and starving for engines about as long as Starship has been public as a paper concept
>>16991351 Tory might have the info needed to close the deal, BO/LM pretend otherwise but they've seen the writing on the wall. If they still won't deal then I'd say it's time for some engine problems.
>>16991321 >>16991327 >y-you are the s-same no, the difference is actually pretty simple. i'm an honest person who says what he thinks and means what he says. he's a compulsive baiting weirdo who has ruined his life because he can treat nothing with authenticity.
>>16991373 all of your cope melts away in the fact that the only reason multithread meltdowns even exist is that you and your alterego keep feeding each other.
>>16991373 i used to roleplay arguing with myself on a old runescape clan website back in the day after my parents divorced, your posting reminds me a bit of that it was pretty sad desu
>>16991226 it all went downhill when Sierra Nevada bought out the founders SpaceDev after Jim Benson died. The HL-20 design may go down in history as the most developed unflown space plane
>>16991392 they're not going to conquer refueling in 2 years. there simply isn't the time to put in the number of flights needed to test that. but of course they're going to say 2028 because if they say 2032 development will slow down accordingly, it's inevitable
>>16991402 that would be great if that's the case, but I don't see it. refueling is as much a logistics problem as an execution problem, there's a lot of infrastructural development ahead as well as addressing reliability that needs to be done to even approach a single mission to Mars/the Moon
they can't refuel a starship because they don't have the ability to refuel the tanks in stage zero fast enough. they need way more fuel storage tanks and pipes. like 20 times the amount they currently have.
>>16991405 Let alone the logistics problem. Right now cryogenic fuel transfer has never been attempted in space and nobody knows how it will work. People say it's a nothingburger. In reality it will be a "nothingburger" just like the challenges of getting the heat shield to not burn through or getting the booster flip to work etc. Soit will not just happen in a day, it will be at least a year of test flights.
>>16991416 i am operating under the assumption that the actual point of fuel transfer will actually be trivial, because I don't think it's the developmental bottleneck. SpaceX is very capable of rapidly dealing with execution problems. doing one impossible thing once is practically low hanging fruit at this point. the problem is in getting to the point where 1+X rockets are continuously available for launch, with low turn around times, with insignificant chances of failure on each launch. those problems require a lot of buildout and a lot of work on at the very least the Raptor which has come a long way but not to acceptable commercial use failure rates yet
>>16991421 fuel transfer between two ships is an expensive thing to test. It requires 2 launches. They will probably fail first try. And if there are unexpected problems it could easily take multiple years.
>>16990763 The second one is better because it involves actually testing the whole system in actual operation many times. With the first you just have to hope you didn't overlook something important. But what are the chances of one launch system killing everyone onboard twice?
>>16991418 What is there to 'understand'? That some retard isn't claiming that SpaceX hasn't thought at all about the logistics of its tank farms? That they just started building an ASU next to its tank farm for no reason? That there isn't a massive LNG export terminal under construction at the Port of Brownsville yet they have no intention of utilizing it?
>>16991402 yes, but that doesn't stop people from catastrophizing it right now and subsequently saying it isn't a big deal right after its accomplished
>>16991433 >catastrophizing meanwhile in reality: starship has been doing integrated flight tests for 3 years and is still struggling to cross 'nothingburger' hurdles. Maybe these things are actually hard?
>>16991433 >>16991439 you can feel free to go on one of those betslop sites and put money on Starships on Mars in 2028/9 if you think that suggesting otherwise is catastrophizing. that's definitely going to be a good payout
>Artemis relies on an extremely complex, interdependent, and risky architecture. Instead of thriving on chaos, Artemis requires perfect conditions to succeed, making it highly vulnerable to disruption. What is being done to solve this problem?
>>16991373 >baittard still angrily copying what i said in an extremely cynical tone because actual honesty is anathema to him Embarrassing that that pissed you off so much lol, you fucked up irony poisoned zoomers really can’t handle a lick of genuine conversation without going schizo like this, can’t you?
>>16991396 >refueling Is one of the most retardedly overblown “issues” that retards have been clamoring about for ages, if they can get two starships into orbit at the same time, the refueling part is fucking trivial. The russian propulsion segment on the ISS gets refuelled all the time.
>>16991490 The spacex track record of doing things nobody else is able to do should support the fact that the actual refuelling part should be relatively trivial for them as soon as they can get two starships on orbit to rendezvouz with eachother.
>>16991489 I'm not saying the hard part will be getting two ships to do a fuel transfer in orbit. U made the case here >>16991421 that's my stance. conquering refueling isn't a one off event, it's having multiple ships with multiple launches in a reasonable window with low failure rates.
so for refuelling do they plan to pump from dedicated pump tanks in the cargo bay area, or are they trying to pump directly from the main fuel tanks? if the latter then it will be very very hard. but the former is possible. Wont work first try though. People can seethe but they will se the fruits.
>>16991513 the target isn't the rest of the market, the target is having an acceptly low chance to encounter a mission failure across multiple refueling flights
>>16991495 >The spacex track record of doing things nobody else is able to do like what? What have they trivially achieved first try without any failures?
Its OVER!!! SpaceX cannot go to mars because they dont have Mars colonization expertise. They need to hire former or current Mars colonizers with decades of experience or else they are fake and fraud.
>>16991579 the only explanation for this post is that you've seen people use 'disengenuous' and just decided it's a "win argument" button without having any clue what it means
>>16991644 Nah, he outed himself as an unironic EDS case with those deleted posts. A true shitposter would not have engaged and moved on to the next shitpost. Then come back later to view the (yous) in the archives.
>>16991649 >laughing at retard for being retard >reward i mean if you want to admit to being a masochist, sure, kind of embarrassing, but whatever gets you going my dude.
If Mars were really colonized it would only be a matter of time before it declared independence and say fuck you to earth (and america too). I wonder if americans realized that.
i dunno why people think the refilling is an issue for HLS. even if it takes 12 flights or something they can just send up a prop transfer load every test and fill it up while they work out some kinks. ez double whammy
>>16991687 Boil off can be mitigated by rejecting heat from the sun-facing side of the craft and using a small active cooling system powered by solar panels to recondense boiling propellant.
>>16991688 Space is freezing in the shade and boiling in the sun, the key is to reflect most of the light off the sun-facing side, slow the heat that does get absorbed using insulation, and then recondense the boiloff caused by the small remaining heat.
>SpaceX’s concept of operations contemplated sixteen total launches, consisting of: 1 launch of its [DELETED]; 14 launches of its Tanker Starships to supply fuel to [DELETED]; and 1 launch of its HLS Lander Starship, which would be [DELETED] and then travel to the Moon https://www.gao.gov/assets/b-419783.pdf?utm
>>16991693 I mean, you don’t have any atmosphere between you and the sun, there’s definetly a difference in the total sunlight reaching you, but yeah it’s mostly that you’re not in a medium and there’s nothing else to take/give you heat convectively.
>>16991698 >Average annual solar radiation arriving at the top of the Earth's atmosphere is roughly 1361 W/m2.[40] The Sun's rays are attenuated as they pass through the atmosphere, leaving maximum normal surface irradiance at approximately 1000 W/m2 at sea level on a clear day.
>>16991723 people are building and aiming for the moon/mars in our lifetime. literally, this wasnt the case before 2020. SpaceX completely changed the narrative of space.
https://x.com/AJ_FI/status/2061377149290807695 >Well, this was wild. The first Long March 12B rocket lifted off at 0840 UTC today from Dongfeng test zone at Jiuquan. No warning, and carrying Qianfan constellation satellites straight off the bat. Successfully reached orbit, but no recovery test today.
https://x.com/raz_liu/status/2061406149761757625 >The CZ-12B of today did some 1st stage recovery tech tests during the re-entry, may be just like the pervious tests with the old CZs to minimize the debris zone. Not sure if it including the re-entry burn. Pic from the tracking service provider may be close to the debris zone
https://x.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/2061414299386450072 >BTW, as we all know, this is not the only Falcon 9 class reusable rocket in China that's coming into service (or tries to) in these months. Not by a very long shot, and even after one only considers the one developed by state institutes & their related companies.
https://x.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/2061415573238501873 >Another mind blowing thing is - unlike the several same-class Chinese rockets that just flew (ZQ-3, Tianlong-3, Kinetica-2, even the LM-12A), SpaceSail actually put a large bunch of their LEO comsats on this very 1st "12B". They are desperate for rides to orbit, but still, wow.
>>16991957 You don't have to worry about reusability if you just launch another new reusable design for the first time. Pallas-1 is up next.
https://x.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/2061418097785835625 >OK the Long March 12B isn't quite the Falcon 9 Block 5 that we are thinking just yet - it's indeed a "20 tonnes LEO class rocket", but that's in expendable mode (same as with reported 15 tonnes to 500 km SSO capability). It can "only" lift 12 tonnes when 1st stage is recovered.
https://x.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/2061422387082469561 >That's not trivial by any means (at least a Neutron's worth), and with it being from a state institute spin-off [SAST] (that handles some recent launches already like the last LM-8 & LM-2D) it - like the upcoming LM-10B - will always have a head start against private rockets for orders.
China's happy to use it's commercial spaceflight companies to help develop the industry, but it is never going to allow any of them to get the financial success and accompanying political influence that SpaceX managed to accrue.
>>16991977 I was going to say that this really wasn't that impressive since it's just a CZ-12A with a different upper stage, but no, they've actually completely different rockets. Different diameters, different engines, different propellants.
>>16991969 SpaceXes financial success sadly is now 95% not spaceflight. Being valued at 1.6 trilly while having ~10bn a year space related revenues. Chyna would have no issue with SpaceX having the space related success it has. The openly corrupt mergers with non space entities to bail out Musks shareholders are another thing. And having sucessful businesses produce oligarchs is not a desirable outome.
>>16991950 based on ancient chinese numerology! >The diameter of the rocket body is 4.37 meters. That might be unique in China—4.37 meters, such a precise figure, right? Yes, exactly. We used what's called a preferred number. There's a special book on preferred numbers, and we picked this figure from it. A bit hard to understand? Let's skip that.
>>16991995 My understanding of that part >due to the complexity of simulating aerodynamic shapes, there are standardized shapes in reference books of how you design the aerodynamic shapes of parts of a rocket, especially for the fairing part >Something like the NACA airfoils https://aerospaceweb.org/question/airfoils/q0041.shtml >So they apparently chose one from a certain reference book that has a diameter of 4.37 meters
>>16991798 >>16991817 That video is not what you think it's about. >Mars colonization is all the rage these days, with two major camps discussing it: space enthusiasts who don't understand spaceflight and people who are against it because they think billionaires fantasize living in squalid caves.
>>16991989 >Being valued at 1.6 trilly while having ~10bn a year space related revenues SpaceX was worth the better part of 1t well before acquiring xAI. revenue is not valuation >The openly corrupt mergers with non space entities to bail out Musks shareholders are another thing. "bail out shareholders" lmao, do you know what a capital raise is? I'll give you a hint, it's the only reason SpaceX is going public >And having sucessful businesses produce oligarchs is not a desirable outome first, allowing people to benefit from their contributions to the economy is good, actually. the Chinese attempts to suppress this have been utterly destructive to the demand-starved internal market.
second, China has one of the most corrupt governments in the world, so talking about "oligarchs" like the Chinese system saves anyone from corrupt leaders is hilarious
>>16991995 the number written in chinese probably resembles something lucky or sounds like something good when they say it. they are full of superstitious stuff like that
>>16991989 >Chyna would have no issue with SpaceX having the space related success it has If SpaceX really wanted to get political they could own more senators than the MIC dinosaurs ever did at the peak of their influence. The amount of funds they could dump into lobbying if they actually wanted to are absurd.
China will never allow Land Space or Space Pioneer to get into the same position, because political power is a zero-sum game in China. If Land Space were allowed to have the same kind of success as SpaceX it would be a catastrophe for groups like CASC and SAST, a massive loss of funding, political influence, and prestige. Given that CASC's higher ranks are filled with well-connected political apparatchiks, Land Space will never be allowed to succeed in a way that threatens anyone with preexisting political influence.
It's not that oligarchs are seen as an undesirable outcome in China; it's that the preexisting oligarchs don't want to have to deal with any competition.
>>16992024 if there were any official report, even preliminary, I would have heard about it. why waste time on someone's speculations? >PFA oh. oh dear. anyway
>>16992034 It’s american heritage to have large flying objects smash into our architecture. See: kamikazes hitting our ships and 9/11. Starbase will see some rogue starships coming down
>>16992085 that's not even close to how you spell that, anyway being left wing and caring about spaceflight is the most self defeating thing I can imagine
>>16992102 it's hilarious that the rest of the world is so creatively bankrupt that they can't help but recreate even our worst mistakes rather than pursue their own strengths
>>16992129 >I'd expect the trendline to flatten for a while as F9 development is basically frozen and Starship is still pre-ramp It'll be one hell of a ramp. They've got one pad operational, and four under construction right now. >Pad 1 >LC-39A >2x LC-37
>>16992145 >eldritch horror vs >apple store rocket engine I don't know anon is better T/W worth it?
>>16992147 It's not the engines, it's the shit the feeds them. The engines did their job - they shutdown before cavitation could cause a RUD that destroys the booster.
>ESA Astronaut Thomas Pesquet will serve as Commander for Vast’s private astronaut mission to the International Space Station in partnership with NASA. >ESA Reserve Astronaut Arnaud Prost is intended to serve as a flight test engineer on the first crewed mission and flight acceptance test for Haven-1, scheduled to be the world’s first commercial space station. >Both missions are expected to last approximately two weeks and are planned for 2027, with transportation provided by SpaceX on a Dragon spacecraft launched aboard a Falcon 9 rocket. >More details for the French missions will be shared during the International Space Summit announced by French President Emmanuel Macron, which will be held on September 9 and 10 in Paris.
>>16992183 is there anyone else that reads SOVL phonetically whenever they see it? i can only mouth "sovel" to myself with a dumb smirk every time i see it.
How have spaceflight rats avoided roping? 20 years from now you’re all gonna be cheering for when Starship may have a chance to orbit around Earth twice or some shit without a major issue kek. Like bro, open your eyes, you unironically believe a moon landing or kek a moon base is coming in 10 years? Lmao
>>16992206 Things were still worse 10 years ago, and even worse still 20 years ago. I’m not too butthurt in the grand scheme of things that the little Artemis timeline might be off by five or six years
>It is interesting that after Starcloud was announced and received a bunch of funding SpaceX announced a competitor. And now after Varda, Catalyx Space, Lux Aeterna have seen some successful funding rounds last year SpaceX jumped on this as well. I get why these companies launch on SpaceX but it seems weird to pay tens of millions of dollars to them only for them to turn around and out compete you. It’s like the space version of Amazon get their asses
>>16992246 >>16992255 bro worked with Trump throughout his second term from the campaign onward then was ready to throw him directly under the bus when he felt unsupported in Doge. he's a sperg with an ego, not an opportunist.
also he's always been a philosemite lmao. to be fair to him if he wasn't they'd have kept him unemployed for life
https://x.com/PLD_Space/status/2061365999681536430 > We have increased our investment in the MIURA 5 Launch Complex at the Guiana Space Centre (CSG) to €35M. This milestone makes PLD Space the first private operator to invest at this scale at the ELM-Diamant site, contributing to the evolution of Europe's historic spaceport. At the same time, construction activities at the site continue to progress, with civil works now entering their final phase and completion expected this summer.
https://x.com/RaulTorresPLD/status/2061531654099743011 >The first private platform in history is being built at the Guiana Space Centre launch base. The final integration assembly of Miura 5 is advancing rapidly while the LZ launch zone completes the civil works.
>trading of virgin galactic's stock has been halted because people are betting the farm that retail investors will get scammed by confusing the stock with the spacex ipo why does virgin even have a stock. kick them off the fucking index.
https://x.com/TAbusnardo/status/2061587710003851536 >List of recent and upcoming new Chinese launch Vehicles as of June 2026. Chinese launch companies organized 8 maiden launches in the past 6 months, and dozens more are planned over the next few years, this list gives an overview of the various current project.
>>16992317 https://x.com/TAbusnardo/status/2061588586630156498 >This list isn't 100% exhaustive, some redundant variants are excluded, as well as projects that we haven't heard news of in more than 12-18 months. But it should give an idea of all the more than 80 launch vehicles projects in China.
today you find out what was obvious all along: EagerChildAbuser was always an astonishingly dumb boomer. you just didnt notice it because he was confirming your biases constantly. He could have easily been anti SpaceX if he was shorting Tesla. In this way Eager is like the mirror image of CommonSneedSkeptic
>>16992364 All of a sudden, Jew Isaacman is pessimistic about the only non-Jew owned company in the running for landing. Yeah we're gonna launch SLS is 2027, but we can't build a pad for two years. Jewish snipers
>>16992380 My point was that Jared, who has provided insanely optimistic timelines for everything, even BO in regards to Mk1 readiness, now suddenly is kicking them when they're down, optimism gone. He is signaling to the public BO should be written off. Good goy musk will be who delivers the Moon, and that's that
>>16992286 most of the land around it is spared solely because there is no human activity there now. i'll repeat this again: long term, launchpads are very good for the surrounding nature.
>>16992407 thinking about it, surrounding infrastructure must be extra hardened if tehy're gonna survive daily super heavy class launches, let alone multiple a day. the boca launch pads don't look tough enough with that in mind
>>16992419 the surrounding nature could be wiped out for all i care pointing out that daily shockwaves and steam/dust clouds will fuck up the surroundings in someway is just basic deduction
https://x.com/davill/status/2061655383610114124 >Some LC-36 updates. Now that we’ve had access to the pad and integration facility we can share a bit of good news. The propellant farm, oxygen, liquid hydrogen and LNG tanks are all in good shape. This is good luck because these are very long lead items. The water tower is also good. The big support tower is damaged, but it can be repaired in place rather than torn down and replaced. The booster “Never Tell Me The Odds” and the three GS-2s that were onsite in the integration facility also look good.
>I’ve seen some speculation that we might move directly to the 9x4 configuration, but we won’t do that. Rate manufacturing of 7x2 is going well, and we’re going to continue that at pace as planned and store the stages for use. In addition, we had already been working for some time on eliminating our transporter-erector in favor of an alternative vertical conop, and we’ll now go directly to that; so we don’t need a new transporter-erector.
>We will fly again before the end of this year. Gradatim Ferociter.
>>16992416 It isn’t. >>16992426 Only for a few hundred meters before it stops being an issue. What’s infinitely more damaging to a nature reserve is a constant meandering human presence, especially in sandy, salty and oxygen-poor environments like these dunes and wetlands. The more starship launches, the less time there will be for people to strew garbage everywhere and trample the plants, which is a serious issue in areas like this where bounceback is slow. Before spacex settled there, retards were driving their trucks and buggies directly over the wetlands and plant inhabited dunes. All the restrictions on when people are allowed to visit the beach have likely increased the health of the dune ecology.
Cape canaveral has so much natural beauty today because the rocket launches keep people away, the animals can adjust to it, yes, even the plovers.
>>16992434 >blew glenn will fail to deliver another satellite to orbit and dissapoint another customer before spacex continues to push the boundaries of aerospace design and leap forward of everyone else again. NG 9x4 fixes this.
>>16992447 but they sabotaged themselves by blowing up their pad due to negligence, sounds to me like you’re implying they’re jewish themselves, you’re contradicting yourself, anon.
>>16992454 No, blew origin blew nooglin, which means they are the jews of this story. >you are starting to sound very jewish I don’t work at blew origin, so you need to get your ears checked.
>>16992364 Fake news strikes again. Here's Jared having to, once again, put them in their place.
>I enjoyed being at the CNBC event, but I wanted to clarify. The question was about the timing of the Moon Base and recent lunar rover awards. I was pointing out that those missions are not until 2028, which should be well within what is possible for pad recovery.
>>16992508 the skill issue is not having low effort SPACEX TESLA SEARCH ENGINE OPTIMIZED BIG HAPPENING ELON SAID WHAT? PETER THIEL INVESTS BIG BITCOIN IN THIS channels on do not recommend
https://x.com/davill/status/2061655383610114124 >Some LC-36 updates. Now that we’ve had access to the pad and integration facility we can share a bit of good news. The propellant farm, oxygen, liquid hydrogen and LNG tanks are all in good shape. This is good luck because these are very long lead items. The water tower is also good. The big support tower is damaged, but it can be repaired in place rather than torn down and replaced. The booster “Never Tell Me The Odds” and the three GS-2s that were onsite in the integration facility also look good.
>I’ve seen some speculation that we might move directly to the 9x4 configuration, but we won’t do that. Rate manufacturing of 7x2 is going well, and we’re going to continue that at pace as planned and store the stages for use. In addition, we had already been working for some time on eliminating our transporter-erector in favor of an alternative vertical conop, and we’ll now go directly to that; so we don’t need a new transporter-erector.
>We will fly again before the end of this year. Gradatim Ferociter.
>>16992588 your stance was that it was never intended or claimed to be fully reusable, which was wrong. I acknowledged that it was an out of date claim before any of this argument. are you always this deliberately obtuse?
https://x.com/voyagertech_/status/2061766038807588975 >Breaking: Voyager to acquire Astrobotic, combining lunar landers, surface power, habitats and cislunar operations into one integrated lunar platform. Griffin Mission One, targeting the lunar South Pole NET November 2026, will be Voyager’s first mission to the Moon.
>>16992552 No, it was partially reusable from the beginning. Their strategy is to just turbo falcon it and try to make the second stage as cheap as possible.
>>16992631 niggas will post shit like this then turn around 5 seconds later to shill something that only exists in the form of "a guy with 20 dollars of startup capital said a thing"
>>16992633 yeah and so was NASA with shuttle. Remind me, how did that turn out for them? >>16992638 bet you feel real cool and smart for beating up that strawman you made
>>16992641 >appeal to shittle fallacy what year is it lmao >bet you feel real cool and smart for beating up that strawman you made post one thing you're excited about in spaceflight so I can laugh
>>16992642 >>16992646 do you expect to be taken seriously or like what? the company launching 90% of everything in orbit is testing a vehicle in the most public and documented way ever done, claiming "vaporware" is a non starter here
>>16992659 sure, schizo, would you like to elaborate on the incredible argument you definitely had ready then? no, you just want to be schizophrenic? got it
>>16992698 ok cool when are you going to answer what you're excited about in spaceflight? when are you going to explain what launches you're enjoying? what's with the goyim glare every time you get a spaceflight question?
amazing. it will respond ad infinum to any argument it's losing, no matter how inane it looks, but ask it a basic spaceflight question and it just gawps like a deer in the headlights every time. i found an off switch
>>16992548 >We will fly again before the end of this year. Since he hasn't specifiy the rocket, he would technically not be lying if BO resume flying New Shepard before the end of this year which is very doable.
>>16992709 shut up BDS Bezon will personally oversee the reconstruction and then he'll launch three glenns in one go bet ole muskypoo will shit himself with his mouth gaping.
Anyone think IRL is too punishing for deep space exploration? Just watched PHM and basically came to the conclusion you need magical substances for true spaceflight to be possible :(
>>16992720 All this shit about interplanetary trade and resource extraction will always be pure fantasy with chemical rockets. You spend 10x more in fuel than you can ever deliver. Interplanetary flight is more difficult than crossing the atlantic during the age of the plymouth colony. Spaceflight is less of a means of sustainable transit and more a one way moonshot type deal. Worlds seeded with life will be almost completely isolated. Even Mars would totally diverge form Earth. Anything beyond, you absically send the seeds of life once and then let it roll, with zero back and forth.
>>16992725 >Worlds seeded with life will be almost completely isolated. Even Mars would totally diverge form Earth. that is half the appeal of spaceflight Earth is in an incredibly gay and retarded state. we need multiple crucibles of civilization in parallel to compete and produce more interesting results
>>16992548 >The big support tower is damaged, but it can be repaired in place rather than torn down and replaced. I'm very skeptical especially about this one but we'll see.
>>16992763 The tower might be physically strong enough to be stable, but I doubt it still has the regulartory required safety margin. Nor do I think structural engineers have spent enough time with it to make that observation.
>>16992428 >The booster “Never Tell Me The Odds” and the three GS-2s that were onsite in the integration facility also look good. Kek they are going to destroy another pad aren't they?
>>16992443 >Cape canaveral has so much natural beauty today because the rocket launches keep people away, the animals can adjust to it, yes, even the plovers. I don't know if that will still be true once starship is launching twice a day from starbast
https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/2061849399987188169 >The first low Earth orbit (LEO)-optimized Centaur upper stage is now integrated atop the Vulcan rocket at ULA's Amazon Leo Integration Facility! Integrating the vehicle with the new LEO 85K Centaur upper stage allows the team to perform first time procedures, validate stage and ground support equipment interfaces with a planned Wet Dress Rehearsal to validate new technologies in advance of the first Vulcan Leo mission.
>>16992811 the White birthrate in the US is the highest among non immigrant populations (immigrants also have the highest falloff). did you know even at your ancestral home in India, birthrates are below replacement? birthrates are a biproduct of urbanization, not a cultural manifestation. although in your people's case, having so much gangrape that your girls are the only population in the world with a higher suicide rate than their male counterparts is probably not helping the long term sustainment of your species.
the brown idea that White people are somehow just less able at breeding is fanciful cope and in reality everything is sliding into the same birthrate collapse pit. the only reason it's slower in Africa, which is pretty much the only place it's significantly slower outside of specifically anti-urbanization traditionalist communities, is because they're literally too stupid and too violent to live very close to one another for very long before violently or negligently depopulating.
the solution to collapse is vigorous pioneer populations in colonies off Earth claiming new lands, not being a brown retard. unless you really like churning in a rolling genocide machine to keep urbanization rates down
https://x.com/GewoonLukas_/status/2061880764325581295 >The next Falcon Heavy launch, carrying NASA's Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope, is scheduled for NET August 30th! The telescope is currently being prepared for shipment to the Cape, where it'll arrive later this month via NASA's Pegasus barge.
>>16992732 i don't give a shit, gay people and trannies are a self-solving problem in the long term, you can't be a tranny or spiffy gay man in your 40's without instantly trying to kill yourself out of sheer embarrassment, these people are either so volatile that they kill themselves intentionally or with drug abuse at a young age, or eventually mellow out to the point where they go "yeah that was a retarded phase i'm not doing that again".
>>16992829 they've always been relative fertility sinks, it just doesn't matter when baseline fertility is 5-7 children per woman, they've also never been as dense as they are today
>>16992833 Nepotism, cartel behavior, universal fraud, and enormous legislative benefits designed exclusively to benefit foreigners create a lot of illusions of competence. Everyone has still noticed how everything Indians touched have gotten worse.
>>16992833 brown retards coming in from brown, retarded countries benefit from higher baseline effects that quickly erode when they stay. brown retards that have been living here for generations, like our blacks, are below White TFR
>>16992838 >they've also never been as dense as they are today no? manhattan had its peak density in 1910. cities that were built before motor vehicles existed were smaller but way denser than anything experiencing a population boom today. fertility is much more closely tied to wealth, with wealthier populations having less kids. bringing it back to spaceflight, mars will NEVER hit replacement fertility. nobody on mars is gonna breed
>>16992847 "wealthy people have less kids" is just an attempt to remodel the negative effects of urbanization rates on TFR. urban poor have absolutely shit TFR. poor countries with high urbanization rates (eg most of the middle income trap countries like Chyna, most of South America) have shit TFR. >mars will NEVER hit replacement fertility. nobody on mars is gonna breed not at first sure, it's just gonna be men focusing on building something. if anything once sustainable, livable colonies are established off Earth they will rapidly overpopulate because they provide a destination for the most industrious and productive people. it will require constant work to expand the livable area to actually fulfill the demand.
I'm less optimistic about the Moon because it's so resource poor. the rate you can reasonably expand a colony on the moon is 1:1 the rate that you can lift mass from Earth with very little local contribution. it's destiny is to be a waystation
>>16992855 addendum: you got me on the density thing though, but people in modern cities are going through most of their income to live in shoeboxes. those are not effective breeding conditions, even if the literal amount of space between them is higher than in the 1900s >>16992859 your mom's destination is to orbit my dick
>>16992874 https://x.com/ISROSpaceflight/status/2042563492633538908 >ISRO has successfully conducted the 2nd Integrated Air-Drop Test (IADT) of Gaganyaan on today morning [April 10th, 2026] after the first one in August 2025! The aim of this test was to validate the parachutes and other recovery systems on board Gaganyaan that are necessary for safely landing the Crew Module on Earth upon its return from orbit. In this test, the Crew Module, weighing in at 5.7 tons, was lifted by a Chinook aircraft and dropped from an altitude of 3 km over the Bay of Bengal near the Sriharikota coast. The Crew Module subsequently slowed itself down autonomously using a series of drogue and main parachutes, followed by a soft splashdown in the sea.
I'm sure there's a few more tests they need to do first
https://x.com/planet4589/status/2061932507650511182 >The Varda Space Industries W-4 reentry capsule, which failed to deorbit last month, reentered over Wick, Scotland at 1402 GMT (3.02pm BST) Monday. Since it had a heat shield, the possibility of finding debris on the ground exists.
>>16992979 blorigin is oldspace coded but it's not THAT bad, more like halfway in between old and newspace. they're still the first to field an F9 competitor, even if it had like one successful mission and then blew its pad up