>>97407127
>Have you done any homages anything in your games?
my setting/game isn't Star Wars, but it's in a science fantasy world with Espers, who are psionic monks based on the jedi

There is only one way to save Star Wars: KILL DAVE FILONI AND DECANONIZE EVERYTHING HE WAS EVER INVOLVED IN

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>>97407264
Nah man, we need Dave Seloni. Without Dave Seloni we're fucked.

>>97407264
>the year is 2031
>after Timothy Zahn killed Dave Filoni and took over Lucasfilm by force (with Disney's permission) five years prior, he has decanonized everything except for the OT, PT, Andor and Rogue One
>he is now adapting the Thrawn trilogy to film to replace the ST

>>97407387
While the Thrawn trilogy is way better than anything we have gotten, it needs to be said that Luke's storyline fucking sucked

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>>97407387
>Andor
Dull as fuck
>Rogue One
Doesn't even make sense with ANH and the EU did the Death Star plotline way better. It's a movie about Star Wars by people who don't like Star Wars, great
Only thing I'll praise is the designs. I like the transport tanks, the Imperial security droids, the AT-ACTs, etc.

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>>97407538
>It's a movie about Star Wars by people who don't like Star Wars, great

>>97407538
>says Andor is dull
>because he's a no games who doesn't know WEG

>>97407387
>All Thrawn books (both pre and post Disney) are now canon
>So are both X-Wing series and Luceno's books
>Nom Anor is now a Grysk agent, as he fits with their modus operandi far more than with those of Vong

Rogue One sucks
Andor is good

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>>97407699
>Rogue One sucks
I disagree, and it's still better than any of the ST movies.

>>97407127
>TQ
I watched Dredd (2012) and thought the idea of a giant murder tower was cool. So I set one up for my players to hunt down a Pyke Capo they hated at the top of it. Turned into a 12 session long distraction, but it was awesome because all the characters came out totally changed. Two of them dropped their command positions in the rebellion and opted to become rebel-allied mercenaries instead. The group Politico/Doctor ended up becoming the new Cell Commander.

>>97407699
Rogue One has the feel of a slightly-forgettable 40s/50s WW2 film, like Anzio. You need to have a high enough test to enjoy mindless action for 2 hours.

>>97408052
based, give us a quick rundown of scenarios they faced in the tower?

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>>97408069
Sure thing, it was initially planned to be short but the Edge of the Empire Obligation system proved otherwise
>Initial Premise
The party has had a personal vendetta against the Pykes for a long time. A capo runs Tarlana Tower, a massive city-within-a-city in the Corporate Sector. Infiltrate the tower, cause chaos and kill the Capo. The party's corporate ally would spin it as "gang on gang violence" and use it to ban the Pykes from the CSA
>First Challenge: Gain Entry Credentials
Pyke affiliated mercenaries frequent the Nexus Nightclub, get those credentials!
Party leader has to kidnap a mysterious scientist also at this club for his separatist enclave.
Group manages to steal the keycard and kidnap the scientist, but a string of bad rolls caused a three way firefight in the club that left it in flames.
>Second Challenge: Make it to the top of the tower
The place is a total maze with four distinct "levels". The first is a massive undercity, the second a more refined middle class area, the third an industrial district, the fourth the Pyke holding. Party split up, half went to make allies with local gangsters on level 1, the second went to recon level 2.
Clone trooper's obsession with Order 66 and Republic Remnants. A rogue Jedi was spotted bombing a corporate office and fled to the tower!
The party got some gangsters on their side, but the recon team got jedi mind tricked into serving the Jedi as both enforcers and hostages (pic related). Huge inter party combat with dozens of gangsters, hired guns and Jedi cultists fighting each other. A long running party NPC dies in the combat, but the party manages to reunify. They lick their wounds and go to hunt down the jedi
>The Dark Jedi
Guy is totally nuts after Order 66 and is holding the entire tower hostage with some well placed explosives. He wants all authorities off his back. The crew wants revenge, so they placate him for a while before they defuse all the bombs.
Until...

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>>97408115
The party's politico's past crime family has returned as allies to the Pykes! The group again splits apart, the droids and force sensitive stay behind with the Jedi while the weak minded go to deal with the family. In a bizarre twist of events (and fantastic rolls) the Politico convinces the head of the family (his ex-wife) to step down and live free. The rest of the family doesn't like that and takes them both hostage. However the group convinced the Jedi to help them in exchange for the force sensitive-
The sentient droid commander has gone schizo and tries killing the Jedi immediately. Leads to a small confrontation where the group works with the Jedi to take down the commander. They manage to fix relations and get things back on track
They slaughter the family enforcers and double cross the Jedi just as enemy reinforcements arrive. It's a crazy battle and many are close to death, but they get away to once again lick their wounds.
>Third Challenge: Clear the Industrial District
Also the security hub of the tower, there are many Pykes here and the crew are low on NPC allies.
One of the sentient droids is being hunted by the ISB to maintain "Organic Security" over droid sentience. He avoids a honeypot operation and the group manage to kill the Pykes in a series of ambushes and disable the Tower's reactor.
>Final Challenge: The final floor
They ambush the disorganized Pyke resistance (which included a tank) and make their way through the absolute chaos before finding the Pyke Capo. They execute her in a classic gunline, steal her stuff and get away before Corporate Security can tie anything to them.

>>97408141
I needed a tower raid for my act one boss. Stolen almost entirely.

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I'm wondering whether to start with 5 Intelligence or 5 Cunning on my next Age of Rebellion character. I'll obviously be getting the other 5 eventually but that's going to take a while.

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I don't think enough people have recognized the significance of Disney backtracking on the sequels in Galaxy's Edge. They've finally accepted that it's plain not marketable and are cutting their losses.
The way I see it, they're testing the waters to phase out the sequels entirely. Right now Galaxy's Edge is going to be part OT, part ST. Soon enough, they'll slowly remove more of the ST. I fully expect that in 5-6 years, we'll be hearing of how they've retconned the sequels and are making new ones.

With Filoni at the wheel, I'm certain he'll make the neo sequels based around Thrawn. The movies themselves will definitely suck ass, however I do trust Filoni to at least try to expand on the series. He's nothing if not creative (a bit too creative sometimes)
Honestly I think it's inevitable that some knockoff Thrawn trilogy will become canon and with it, the sequels will finally be distinct when it comes to games. It'd be a powerful New Republic vs. Thrawn's remnants (and the witches that help him out).

And you know what, I'd accept anything if meant that the sequel era wasn't just Rebels vs. Empire 2.0

>>97409877
I'd like to see it happen, but I kind of doubt they'd just retcon the sequels entirely. Especially as they have gone through some effort to set them up in their streaming shows.
I'd assume the stuff with GE is more about them realizing the original concept just didn't work, and are turning it into more of a generic "Star Wars Land" that most people wanted. Disney kind of missed the whole point of the "immersive themed land" thing. They saw Universal's immersive Harry Potter land being very popular and wanted to cash in on that, but failed to realized that the HP land is specifically based on locations seen in the films, so fans can feel like they're seeing the world of the films in person. GE is "based on" some planet that they created specifically for the park and had never appeared in canon, so why should the fans care. Had it been themed around Mos Eisley, or some other iconic film location, it would have worked far better.

>>97409877
>I don't think enough people have recognized the significance of Disney backtracking on the sequels in Galaxy's Edge
The what in where?

>>97409877
You do realize they're currently working on the Starfighter and Rey movies right? As much as I'd love to see it, they won't retcon anything.

>>97410061
The setup for the sequels is just going to have to be swept under the rug. At that time they thought if they kept referencing the sequels they might be able to turn public opinion around. It was a gambit that didn't pay off. Now their options are either to maintain consistency with the shows and keep the ST, dooming the franchise, or bend the rules in favor of actually making money.
Based off what we've seen from Galaxy's Edge now having Darth Vader around at the same time as Kylo Ren, it's safe to say they don't really care about whatever lore they've set up anymore. The priority is recovering from the absolute crisis Star Wars is in.
>>97410234
>Rey Movies
Aren't those basically cancelled?
>Starfighter
That's a movie that's already had a ton of development put into it. They're not gonna throw it out at this stage. There's nothing saying they can't release that to get their production money back and then ignore the sequels later.

Honestly I'd probably see Disney doing something with the world between worlds to make some kind of split timeline. It'd hurt their pride foo much to decanonize everything, but they can just say there's multiple timelines and Rey's adventures exist in one, and the timeline where Luke gets laid is another.

>>97407127
>Light Side Sith who still uses Sith powers
Quite literally impossible.

>>97410234
>Rey movies
They'll have to stop setting money on fire at some point.

>>97410617
The character does need a complete retcon or to be reconned away, yes.

I don’t even hate the idea of a naive force prodigy or Daisy as an actor, but the writing decisions made for her character are absurdly bad.

>>97410617
I regret to inform you, anon, that this often occurs only once several successions of retards who don't appreciate that the market's patience is finite and consumers will not consume inferior products infinitely have run the company off a cliff.

I'm not saying there's no chance Star Wars gets competent management along with the rest of Disney, but I'm not optimistic either.

Yet another naive Force prodigy, rather

>>97409877
I don't really like Filoni's stuff but at least he likes star wars.

>>97407427
Perfect example of why adapting the EU would have been an *opportunity* not a burden as antiEUdrones insist. Sure you won't find consensus on what parts of the EU are *good*, but that's because different parts of the EU appeal to different people. You WILL find pretty broad consensus on which parts of the EU are *bad*, because if something genuinely sucks in terms of actual quality of execution rather than opinion on it being a matter of taste almost everyone will agree. The Thrawn trilogy was, overall, good, but yeah there were little bits that could be tweaked and polished to make it better still and the budget of a movie trilogy and years of fan feedback would have been the perfect platform for those changes, which 99.99% of people would have been fine with.

Wokeoids like to pretend people reject the changes they propose because they're "afraid" of change in general, when the reality is that either A; the changes made are just arbitrary and make no sense within the IP, or B; the changes are significant and motivated by political bullshit rather than a sincere attempt to improve the source material.

>>97410233
The park sector at Disneylands. The original plan was for OT & PT stuff, but Kennedy convinced Iger it should be 100% Sequelshit because "that's looking forward to the endless content to come, not back to stuff only a dwindling number of older fans will care about". Now they're remaking half the park, getting rid of the Sequel-centric "storyline" of the place, and bringing in a bunch of OT material and characters.

>>97410636
>The character does need a complete retcon or to be reconned away, yes.
The smart move would be to just timeskip away and hope people forget teh sequel era ever happened.
>I don’t even hate the idea of a naive force prodigy or Daisy as an actor, but the writing decisions made for her character are absurdly bad.
I don't hate any of the actors, not even those who went and insulted the fans when the Mouse ordered them to.
I despise them, and refuse to pay for any work they are in, of course, but that's it.
And I really feel bad for those like the Rose actress who got shat on by Lucasfilm-Disney and the directors and writers.

That being said, the concept of 'young naive force prodigy' might have been good. doubly so if they had stuck to the whole clone of palps impregnating women around the galaxy.
Too bad, like almost all things in the sequels it's a wasted opportunity.

>>97410789
I think some of the Disney higher-ups have realized that burning piles of cash to reach the mythical 'new audiences' or whatever they call it while at the same time shitting on teh existing fans does, in fact, cost them lots and lots in lost profits.
It's of course too late now, after almost a decade nobody of the wider public gives a fuck, and teh actual fans have been insulted, called racist, etc. and will absolutely not give the new thing the benefit of the doubt.

>dave filoni dies
>a committee of /swg/ anons is given control of the franchise

What happens next?

>>97411793
Lots of very sick and twisted fan fic becomes cannon. Also female characters talk less which is a huge win.

>>97411793
A new schizo rpg gets released. And 1313 gets brought back.

>>97407127
>Have you done any homages anything in your games? or just outright lifted?

It's hard for me to think of how to do a homage, especially since one of my players will probably see it coming if i don't dress it up a bit. Not quite homage but I also want to do uh mechs but he waffles between hating or just disliking megasize droids. I also want to fit in that level from jedi academy with the rancor but.. it's hard. There's no context for that mission either lol, the sith just get bumrushed by the guy too.

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>>97411793
I will insure Star Wars gets a proper R-rated movie with a full-frontal sex scene.
The monkey's paw will curl. The movie will canonize the Lop and Ocho Visions short and the sex scene will be angry step sister furry lesbian sex.

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>>97412373
>monkey's paw
>implying that's not exactly what I want

>>97411304
I agree with your post, but I would also tack on that opposition to "wokeoid" changes can also come from people who, as you noted in your discussion of EU material, fundamentally disagree with the change is attempting to do. This can blend into B, but I consider it distinct because I've gathered from these threads that there are some things that most anons here would be okay with that a chudmaxxing goober like me might still find objectionable.

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>>97411793
DARK GREETINGS

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>>97412491

>>97412491
BASED

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Would this work as a Star Wars ship? I'm thinking something along the line of a bulk freighter or pre-clone-war era bulk cruiser up-armored and re-jiggered into a pocket carrier for outer rim operations for corporate sector outer rim operations (and later hijacked into the Rebel Alliance)

>>97413620
Yeah, I mean it looks more Homeworld-ish that SW-ish but it works. It has that retrofuture industrial look.

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>>97413620
Kinda looks like something designed by Haor Chall engineering as it has similar lines to a Sheathipede shuttle

>>97407387
Rogue One is overrated outside of the vehicles, droids, and stormtroopers added. The Death Star did not need the thermal exhaust port to be intentional sabotage to make sense, A New Hope makes it clear that without a Force trick shot by Luke that it wasn't a possible shot.

>>97410234
They've been threatening to do that for like 10 years. Rian's trilogy was similarly threatened for ages until even that little dweeb realized it was never happening and started pretending not to care.

Any trannies in this thread?

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>>97414874
>>97412403
Say no to fur.

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>>97414352
this was always one of my favourite clone wars designs as a kid because it looks so cozy
>>97415524
>.

How durable is a gonk droid? Could use it for cover? Or is it just a walking red explosive barrel with more hit points?

>>97415871
I've always treated them like giant Samsung phone. They don't explode explode, but they burns extremely hot and does a lot of damage anything right next to it.

>>97407127
>Have you done any homages to anything in your games?
The Hunt for Red October, but with an Imperial Nebulon-B defecting to the Alliance.
Wacky Races, including a PC getting his speeder sabotaged by Drik Gasterd and his Wookie co-pilot Mawrrtley.

>>97415524
I say yes to furry yuri.

>>97407127
>attachment is wrong grogu, you should avoid it and stay here
>nevermind my attachment to my friends and father stopped the empire and saved the day
>anyway, here's my old masters lightsaber if you stay
>no i couldn't have made a new one and this also isn't another attachment of mine
Man they really massacred Luke. Total Luke Death. Roundhouse kick a Luke.

>>97416157
I'm just wondering if I could have my dude convert one of them into an impromptu walking turret. Very slow, very heavy, very loud, but very tough. Terrible if it cooks off though.

>>97414407
>The Death Star did not need the thermal exhaust port to be intentional sabotage to make sense
It's a super obvious weak point that had been parodied since forever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agcRwGDKulw

>>97416569
nta but that's still retarded. the ending to anh is magical because luke uses the force to perform the shot only he can do. i feel like everyone misunderstands that and assumes anyone could have just fired a torpedo into there, and the fact that there was an exhaust port is some massive retarded oversight, which misses the entire point of the movie

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>>97416569
>super obvious
NTA but clearly not since the Rebels needed the plans to even find it
>weak point
The fucking film states the shot is one in a million and Luke only pulls it off through a mixture of being the strongest Jedi alive with heavy pilot training and Han, the second best pilot in the galaxy, covering his ass. No other Rebel pilot would have been able to make the shot. That's why Tarkin was so overconfident that he didn't send a single TIE out, only Vader who knew about Solo and could sense Luke's strength realized the danger since he himself pulled off a very similar stunt with a Lucrehulk back when he was nine.
The whole "conspiracy" angle is totally illogical since it basically implies nobody in management rechecked the plans to their deadly station despite knowing the main architect was apparently heavily anti-Imperial and basically forced at gunpoint to collaborate

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>>97416280
You're only making it worse for yourself.

>>97416628
Ocho already seems like the kind of lesbian who munches more carpet than a malfunctioning vacuum cleaner. And no one has more carpet to munch than Lop.

>>97416436
I really doubt that they're designed to be blasterproof, but the whole body is just flat panels so it'd be pretty easy to Ned Kelly that shit.

>>97416609
NTA but I agree the intentional sabotage wasn't necessary but it doesn't really necessary, but I don't think it ruins anything.
The exhaust port needed to be subtle enough that the laymen in management would see it and think "oh a thermal exhaust port, okay, we don't want it overheating" and move on.
Not only did the Rebels need the plans to find the weakness, they needed the plans to find that there even WAS a weakness.
The most unrealistic thing about ANH was that the Death Star plans were so thoroughly analyzed in just a couple of hours.

>>97417091
>The most unrealistic thing about ANH was that the Death Star plans were so thoroughly analyzed in just a couple of hours
R2 was probably analyzing them since he got his hands on them
By the time the Rebels got the plans, R2 had long since found important vulnerabilities

>>97416609
>The whole "conspiracy" angle is totally illogical since it basically implies nobody in management rechecked the plans to their deadly station despite knowing the main architect was apparently heavily anti-Imperial and basically forced at gunpoint to collaborate
Do they (the management) actually know? Or did Krennic just bury the fact that Erzo was dragged back into the project at gunpoint? Erzo and his team were probably not allowed to communicate and travel freely, so they were not spreading knowledge about how the power system actually works to other people.

And I seriously doubt any Imperial officer would tell Krennic (or Tarkin) 'we need another two years to re-check those plans' even if they thought it wa a good idea.

>>97407264
no, the only way to save star wars is to give me personally say in what is and isn't canon

i'll just make the rey trilogy non-canon, encourage them to reference kotor more, and shrug at everything else

>>97417087
Yeah! That's what I'm talking about! Thanks for the hideous idea.

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>>97417205
>did Krennic just bury the fact that Erzo was dragged back into the project at gunpoint?
That would make out the Imperial supervisors to be retarded. Tarkin is meant to be the guy in charge of Project Stardust yet he cares so little that he doesn't even pay attention to who the main chief architect is? Krennic, this bumbling fucking retard who both Tarkin and Vader view as inept and unable to do the barebones basic shit, is let free to run wild? What if he went rogue? He was given access to Kyber from Jedha and he has ZERO supervision?

It's all an insanely stupid plot point stemming from the main problem: the exhaust port ISN'T a weak point. It didn't need some convoluted explanation or retarded plot line. R1 is just a shittier take on way better stories of how the DS1 plans were stolen.

>>97416609
Yes, the "glaring weakspot" meme is yet another element of the OT that was flanderized in pop culture, like Stormtrooper accuracy.

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>>97417865
Ironically, at the end of novelisation of Rogue One, Krennic remembers this one part of Erso's design and realises what it is actually for, just as he is about to be killed by Death Star by Tarkin's orders.
Which means Krennic knew the plans by heart, but his death has doomed Death Star to being destroyed.
I guess that Krennic's one final satisfaction was knowing Tarkin won't enjoy stealing "his" achievement for long.

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>>97412373
Yes to Lop and nothing else.

>>97418439
Is there genderswapped art of Isard and/or Daala?

>>97418496
Homosexuality is just right between sisters.

>>97417865
>That would make out the Imperial supervisors to be retarded
Not really. It'S clear that the power system is cutting edge tech, just this side of fucking magic. They've been at this for decades, and only this one guy just happens to know how to maybe make it work.
Do the other engineers even really understand what the fuck he was designing? Do they know the 'thermal shaft' is such a terrible weakspot and not just one more system their engineering wizard put there for a reason?
And if tehy do, do tehy put this in a report that actually goes up the chain? Even if it does, at what point is this report turned into a simplle 'red, yellow or green' status update with the complicated engineering lingo dumped into Annex F that nobody ever fucking reads?

I'm not really trying to argue either way here, just throwing out ideas. And it's kinda plausible.
And, welll, it's either that or the Imps were retarded because the Alliance found a weakspot within 24 hours or so of getting the plans.

>>97416628
>Asari Sith
Muh dick?

>>97418519
I don't think so, and if anything, Daala doesn't deserve to be in such a thing, unlike Tavira.

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>>97416609
>second best pilot
>han
my main man wedge doesn't deserve this slander

>>97415548
I Really need to draw the tail heads again...

Possibly even run an EotE game again.

You guys ready to see Darth Talon as Maul's apprentice in the upcoming trailer today?

>>97418768
I think the idea was that Asari fit into SW without any trouble.
And they're hot blue space babes. Well, in this case she is red, but they also come in purple and green IIRC.
They're basically Twi'leks with shorter head tails.

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>>97419351
>ready to see Darth Talon
Can't wait to see how they fuck it up.

>>97419607
pants and no tummy

>>97419351
Trailer? For what?

>>97419597
And no males, which I'm sure is a boon to some, a curse to others, and fuel for other deviant desires for a third group.

>>97419652
She converted to Space Islam offscreen, please understand.

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>>97420057
You are mixing up characters. Barriss Offee was the one who converted to space islam.

>>97419597
>I think the idea was that Asari fit into SW without any trouble.
You can transplant like 90% of ME into SW and it'd fit

>>97419607
I can fix her.

>>97421771
I don't want to fix her. I want to make her worse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oonACDq89BY

What do I think of this?

>>97422188
Generic as fuck.

>>97422188
Looks fun. Too bad I unsubscribed from D+. Personally, I'm more eager to see animated bunny girls with lightsabers. When are they gonna give me that?

>>97422188
I look forward to watching it. Sam Witwer is one of the few good things about Disney Star Wars.

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>>97422188
Looks good but I am biased as a life long Maulchad. I wonder if they will go with the Darth Talon route for the obvious Talon clone they have.

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>>97422188
I do like Maul so I am intrigued but I also want something new and in a different era too. I wonder if they'll do some fuckery to get the nuTalon into the sequels and do the One Sith

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>>97422291
Then follow in the footsteps of Hondo Ohnaka, anon.
>yo ho ho and a bottle of spice rym.

>>97422188
don't care about that emo loser, more negative points for filoniverse shit

>>97422348
>Darth Talon
At this point she is probably the most popular and well known thing from the Star Wars extended universe.

For obvious reasons like her sex appeal.

I’ve done a lot of master baiting to the not safe for work 3d renderings of her I found to be decent in quality for my tastes.

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>>97422407
>At this point she is probably the most popular and well known thing from the Star Wars extended universe.
Only by coomers. She has little name recognition outside of that. Revan remains the most popular EU charcater to casuals

>>97422377
>we will never be space pirates out recruiting a crew of scallywags and harem girls.
Feels bad.

>>97422421
Fair enough. I also like Darth Nihilus. Just from his character design alone. Especially his mask.

>>97417091
>The most unrealistic thing about ANH was that the Death Star plans were so thoroughly analyzed in just a couple of hours.
I always assumed this was litterally noted in the documentation they obtained. Tarkin's guys figured out what the Rebels were trying to do in even less time during the attack, so it makes sense that there's a study (and presumably a rationale for accepting or dismissing these concerns) about the risk in the plans themselves.

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Thinking about buying into the FFG/Edge RPG, how is it considered among fans, is it good?

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>>97420756
What Filoni did to Offee should be considered a war crime

>>97423016
You have only yourself to blame for reading non-canon tie-in fanfiction.

>>97423016
Correct.
>>97423043
Drone.

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>>97423016
more like
>what Barriss Offee did is considered a war crime

>>97422979
Its nothing to write home about. better than 5e to play but not my favorite. I wouldn't rec buying it just download the pdfs.

>>97422979
It's fun. Are you running or playing?

>>97423043
Anon is a zoomer who doesn't like M*A*S*H in space

>>97423462
>better than 5e to play
Well that's better than nothing, right?

>>97423586
>playing
Solo No bulli

>>97422188
At least it doesn't fill me with dread. After Kenobi and Acolyte I expected nothing.

>>97409698
Cunning seems useless compared to Int.

>>97423016
oh nooo glup shittina got disrespected!!!

>>97422979
I like it. I've always liked its Defense and Soak systems.
Though I've always felt it's a bit light and fluffy and could use more house rules. I mentioned in the last thread for example, it's designed to be entirely theater of the mind and its weapons have range bands (Engaged, Short, Medium, Long, etc.) that are meant to be abstract. My group crunched those down to feet (Engaged-30 feet was Short, 30-60 feet was Medium, etc.) so we could use minis during combat. I find it a good way to keep track of where everything is.

>>97423168
>us jedi fighting for the republic to stop literal war crimes and genocides and murder are the real criminals!!
God its so fucking bad.

>>97422188
Looks nice, glad it's animated desu. This may be heresy to some of you, but with the insane shit people like to see Force wielders do, I think animated mediums are superior for depicting them.

>>97424945
It fits her perfectly, desu, since her bomb killed exactly zero Jedi, but did murder a number of innocent civilians.

>>97425045
>>97424945
Also remember, Bariss isn't supposed to be in the right. This is her twisted logic and it's okay for her to be fucking wrong.

>>97421763
My coomer brain could not handle Asari and Twi'leks at the same time.

So, what stats would Asari get in FFG SW RPG?

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>>97425045
The bomb actually did kill a few Jedi, most notably one of her lightsaber instructors, but she did not intend it, and she was visibly and vocally upset about it. Her target was a military hangar inside a Jedi Temple - as a desperate act of protest, she only wanted to destroy military equipment and machines of war, in what was once the sacred place of peace and knowledge, a place where these things did not belong, and she didn't care for the military contractors and soldier casualties, which were the people complicit in corruption. But the Jedi were not her original target.
>>97425063
This is also something that people seem to miss. Her mental state greatly deteriorates as the arc progresses, and she is plagued with conflicting emotions, doubt, fear and outright self-loathing by the end of it. She is a confused child soldier, who had lost herself in the war, experiencing cognitive dissonance with what she wanted to be, what she was taught, and was she was forced to become under the corrupt Republic. Her main issue is with the Republic and it turning the Jedi into something they were never meant to be.

>>97407264
Clone Wars and Bad Batch are good. In fact they are better than most of the movies and the only two good shows.

>>97425617
Don't bother, there's a schizophrenic here who'd rabidly anti-filoni and will start sperging out at anything positive said about anything he's done and start ranting about how the MMP was so much better

>>97425251
>and it turning the Jedi into something they were never meant to be.
They're the jedi KNIGHTS nigga. What does she think the swords they've used for thousands of years are for? Tea parties? She just had autism and threw a tantrum. Kinda like Anakin himself would do in a few months, although it's a lot more embarassing coming from a man in his 20s compared to a 16 year old girl

>>97425644
Don't forget, the whole debacle with Barriss framing Ahsoka so much for being good friends lmao, Barriss is such a cunt culminates in Anakin unleashing the full Skywalker ape strength against her when he figures out what she's done and she resists arrest.

>>97425251
I can fix her

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Umbara is the only part of TCW that feels like a war compared to MMP and that's on gang

>>97408433
Have fun with it, I only ask you post the after action report here

>>97425644
they're peacekeepers, they're the unsheathed sword that keeps another sheathed
they're not supposed to be warmongering generals leading armies of indoctrinated child soldiers

I wanted to say I love you guys. This is the best autistic Star Wars community for ttrpg advice

>>97425946
99.3% of the jedi don't warmonger.

>>97425946
When did they warmonger? The Jed already led existing judicial forces alongside their child apprentices, just because it scaled up doesn’t mean they lost any integrity. Their biggest failing was putting the republic’s integrity over the preservation of the soul against (((sith))) influence

>>97425972
the entire council did
every prominent knight and master did
the entire purpose of the jedi storyline in the prequels and the extended era was them losing their way and that being what plowed a path for palpatine to seize power
>>97425996
>jedi going to neutral worlds making shows of """benevolent""" force to convince them to join the republic over the separatists

>>97426002
you are off your rocker.

>>97426002
Can you name a moment the Jedi forced a neutral world to join the republic?

>>97426025
I accept your concession
>>97426030
several times during the span of TCW

>>97426030
NTA
They repeatedly tried with mandalore

>>97426042
No one was arguing with you, champ.

>>97426042
Name one?
>>97426044
When? Be specific

>>97422979
FFG is very cinematic and has really good "Yes and/no but" mechanics meaning it's not a binary success/fail system
WEG6d is more oldschool crunchy but has a ton of content
SW5e is okay if you want that KOTOR feel and can't be arsed to learn a new system

>>97423016
Reminder that Barriss was one of the few jedi who could do Force Healing on a instinctual level, even as a padawan.
Eath your heart out, Rey

>>97426002
This nigger literally out here repeating Palps' own talking points.

>>97426047
trying too hard

>>97426050
the very first episode of the show
>inb4 t-that doesn't c-count

>>97426081
It doesn’t, both sides sent Diplomats and the Sepa sperged out and tried to kill the king when they failed the test. Jedi never tried to force it, but tried to convince the locals according to their own customs

Try again!

>>97426085
You lost immediately and are desperately trying to shift goalposts to save face on an anonymous board
I can already tell you will only intensify your tantrum with more examples provided

>>97426074
Not trying at all, there's no value in arguing with schizos.

>>97426088
Are you fucking retarded? I immediately dismantled your little cuck example, you never tried you faggot

>>97426106
I'm sorry you're this assblasted over immediately getting BTFO'd but please do try to calm down, this little tantrum is very feminine of you.

>>97422188
Maul is like Ashoka. Boring, one note character (but Maul at least looked cool in Phantom Menace). Later seasons of the Clone Wars actually made him interesting but Rebels kinda ruined him and by this point in time he has long overstayed his welcome and there is nothing left to do with him.

>>97426085
>Jedi never tried to force it, but tried to convince the locals according to their own customs
True.
>>97426088
Fag.

>>97426113
You’re just scrambling man. First episode has the Separatists and Republic contend for the favor of the Toydarians. The Jedi succeed despite the stacked odds. The separatists throw a tantrum and try to kill the Toydarian king and the Jed save him. Despite this the Toydarians still stay neutral and the Jedi respect the decision. It’s a simple plot that you failed to comprehend because the internet supplemented your internal monologue for too long

>>97426122
>>97426125
Sorry that you're so socially and mentally underdeveloped that you've invested your self-worth in an image of the prequel era jedi that never existed, george himself said they were corrupted and strayed from their purpose by being so involved with war and politics and that's what allowed palpatine to rise to power
You will ignore this and continue to throw a tantrum and shit up our general

>>97426141
Care to show where that is stated? Take your time, I don’t want you to accidentally post an example that counters your own point, again.

>>97426116
>he has long overstayed his welcome
at least we know his story ends unlike Ahsoka who is probably going to be immortal thanks to Filoni

>>97426195
Kek give Filoni enough time and Maul will come back again

“People” conflate ‘the Jedi strayed from their oath, often without thinking and/or when pressed into a manipulated corner, which lead to their downfall despite genuine good intentions and the vast majority of the Jedi having a strong and commendable moral core’ and ‘everything the prequel era Jedi did was wrong and stupid and they deserved to be slaughtered en masse’ a lot I find.

>>97426214
>midwits flanderize the media they consume
Imagine my shock.

>>97426214
Palpatine forced the entire Jedi order into a bullshit “You failed your oath so you must fall” classic DnD scenario, but they got through it so he just killed them all instead

>>97426214
Except the first thing is also retarded, because the Jedi did absolutely nothing wrong except tolerate Anakin Skywalker and not put enough scrutiny into the origin of the clone army. And both of those are just being stupid, not moral faults.

>>97426202
Nah Maul's death was too perfect (and done by Filoni himself), he wouldn't dare

>>97426202
Honestly, from everything i've seen from him in interviews and what people say he's like, i suspect Sam Witwer would actually probably refuse and spend an hour describing to Filoni in great detail why that's a fucking stupid idea.

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Will she do anything of significance?

>>97426484
If Filoni's recent output on Ahsoka is any indication, she'll stand around doing nothing and saying nothing for 99% of the episode.

>>97425213
Same as twi'leks. Low brawn, high presence, mid everything else, some kind of bonus to charm/deception.

>>97425213
>handle Asari and Twi'leks at the same time
You are a being of exquisite culture, anon.
No matter the size headtails is love, headtails is life.

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>>97426492
>not appreciating good "show, don't tell" story and worldbuilding.

>>97426551
Asaris' head-things seem more like crests instead of tails. They strike me as being hard and inflexible, while Twi'lek lekku is soft and flexible.

>>97426559
>not appreciating bad "rip off the EU because I'm a jew" story and worldbuilding

>polchud so twitterpated he can’t tell a wop from a jew

>>97425946
>this nigga doesn't stan for the Pre-Ruusan Jedi Order

>>97423016
>>97423043
I actually thought the way she was killed off in the Dark Horse comics was fitting. Made me sad because Barriss a cute!

It even still allowed for her to be in The Clone Wars as she was right up until she went full retard.

Why can't Feloni work within the bounds of pre-established events?

>>97422188
Could be good. I hope they don't invalidate the his character development in Rebels.

>>97422348
>tfw I prefer Malady

>>97422311
He seems like an alright guy and clearly loves Star Wars.

>>97424544
You and everyone else bro.

>>97426116
I was pretty against them bringing Maul back when it happened. The whole asspull was fucking ridiculous.

But I think they did a good enough job with him in TCW and Rebels that I've learnt to forgive and accept.

>>97426214
>>97426219
If it was just the average casual viewer it wouldn't be a problem. But when one of those people (Leslie Headland) is able to get herself in charge of one of their leading projects something is seriously fucking wrong.

Are there any decent maps out there for Star Wars? I'm looking to play it using the Traveller system and would like a decent one to work with.
Before anyone asks I'm using Traveller because it's got rules for running a Megacorp and the characters are going to be a bunch of celebrities pulling a Scarlet Pimpernel during Order 66. Pretending to be retarded to sneak Jedi out under the guise of being too obvious to draw attention.

>>97426690
There really isn't. I started working on my own but it turned out to be a fool's errand, and the people that have made OK-ish maps are hostile as fuck about "their" maps. They're worse than modfags.

>>97426711
I solemnly do swear that if I ever make a map I shall share it here and let whoever fancies use it for whatever bullshit they wish.
This isn't a promise that it will happen, only that if it does I won't be a faggot about it.

>>97420756
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ukiVia-nDwk
>"Everyone claims they love The Force, but nobody wants to follow the code. I mean the code. Form no attachments? Raise your saber only in defense? Wear simple robes? Live as simple Monks? Eww.... Master, Eww... What's that? What's that, Master?"

>>97425946
>they're not supposed to be warmongering generals leading armies of indoctrinated child soldiers
They're not warmongering. They did everything above board. They always followed the rules. They always respected local customs and cultures. They never got involved with or even seemed to have opinions about galactic politics, including gambits for peace. Their enemies were a droid army wielded by war criminal psychopaths. What would you have had them do? Let Grievous and Dooku take over the galaxy? BILLIONS would have died!

>>97427705
Interestingly the opposite side of this discussion can be seen in KOTOR threads, where the Jedi refused to get involved and everyone's reaction there is
>Revan did nothing wrong, Jedi cocks are flaccid, 1v1 the Mandalorians bro!
Jedi really can't win whatever they do.

>>97427718
Plus it's not hard to see what the jedi would have done if they WERE warmongers. They would actively advocate for the production of more clones and ships and endorce or condemn senators and candidates based on this issue. They would execute sepratist leaders in the field. They would subject Geonosis to orbital bombardment, along with any other sepratist world they could get near. They would have jumped at using the rise of Death Watch on Mandalore as an excuse for occupation and annexation. Sepratist leaders would start to die or vanish under mysterious circumstances, and then blatant jedi assassinations as their ego grew. They would indoctrinate the clones themselves as a warrior caste OF the jedi, not just with them, and push for agression against planets outside the republic or CIS involved with interplanetary crime like Zygerria and Hutt Space. Have Anakin himself be an increasingly prominant actor in this regard, already on track to be Coruscant's ruthless beatstick.

>>97427705
Being generals really isn't the best role for the Jedi, since directing armies wasn't part of their training, and becoming the heads of the Republic's military and therefore beholden with the senate would interfere with their duty as peacekeepers who should seek justice above the political gain of any one party.
All of that was, of course, by design. Sidious manipulated things so the Jedi had little choice but take up a role their order was never designed for, tying up most of their resources into fighting the separatists so they would be less able to uncover the Sith conspiracy, and put them in position where he could as Chancellor demand the Jedi to place themselves under his direct command and accuse them of treason if they refused.

>Savage Oppress

>>97427913
What's the deal with Savage Oppress?

>>97427913
>Emperor Insidious and his apprentice Darth Invader
It occurs to me that you retards might not even know "maul" is a word

>>97428031
They should have kept that naming scheme for Darths. Granted, eventually you run out of cool words that start with "In". Pity the Sith Lord who due to all the good names being taken is stuck with Darth Cel.

>>97428108
>No it's "Darth Cell" I'm a clone I swear!

>>97428120
>Not taking it on the chin and becoming the rape powered Sith
When life hands you theming, go with the theme.

>>97428108
>My father kept saying I am the bane of his life
>I chose name "Bane" when I became a Sith
>I became a chad Darth Bane
It doesn't have to be a word that is In-something with Something being kept in, it can be anything that can sound evil and intimidating, but be careful
>Malice - Darth Alice, Darth Lice, Darth Ice
Doesn't sound very good
>Malicious - Dark Alicious, Darth Licious, Darth Icious
Can sound bearable. The trick is balancing what you take and what you keep, and the word you pick.

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>>97427839
shame there is no audio on webms outside of gif because the music is the best part of this

https://youtu.be/L63In39n86c?t=71

>>97428290
I know, just thought it'd be funny if every Darth was named after a word that begins with In-.
Granted, I can't think of many good ones besides Sidious and Vader. Darth Cinerator sounds badass, but Darth Visible, Soluble, or Doctrinator less so.

>>97428302
I do not like it.

>>97426663
Wasn't her death based on a cut scene from RotS?
Filoni doesn't even care for the fact that most of the cut scenes in RotS canonically happened like the Delegation of 2000, they just got cut for time. He needed Offee to be a retarded terrorist because "OMG AHSOKA BUT HECKIN' EVIL! AHSOKA WILL BE OUTSIDE OF THE OLD ORDER AND BE HER OWN SPECIAL SELF!"

>>97428364
Darth Ductor, Canestrato, Bond, Viron, Termesh

>>97428302
Star Wars music is so underrated. RotJ in particular has so many fucking classics
>Jabba's theme which has been degraded into "haha funny Uncle Ruckus theme" when it was a perfect theme for such a slimy bastard
>The various distant, ethereal and kinda stoner-esque Max Rebo tracks that play as Jabba's Barge cruises over the dunes
>The Parade of the Ewoks
>The final duel between Vader and Luke which has an insanely heartwrenching track reminescent of the Ark theme from Raiders of the Lost Ark, representing the true struggle between light and dark. It's more focused on the internal struggle than the external fight, the latter of which is shown in RotS instead
>>97428440
Philistine.

>>97428496
>Star Wars music is so underrated.
It is literally one of, if not the, most praised and famous sound tracks in history. All three movies of the original trilogy were nominated for Oscars for best original score and A New Hope won best original score.

That is some real plebbit "has anyone else ever played this underrated classic" and holding up Mario 64.

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Why did Yoda produce so many mavericks?

>>97428534
Retard, I meant the WHOLE soundtrack. People only know the Imperial March, TIE Fighter Attack, Cantina Band 1 and maybe The Asteroid Field. But the whole franchise has tons of compositions just as good or better than them
Just because they're praised overall doesn't mean they aren't underrated.

>>97428534
Most normies who say they like the Star Wars music are talking about the main theme, Imperial March, and Duel of the Fates. *Maybe* Clone Army Theme. They don't have any understanding or appreciation of the rest of the OSTs and ambient stuff.

>>97428302
>>97427839
Probably my favourite track

>>97428574
I think it's kinda shown on Dagobah when he first meets Luke in ESB and in the scene of AotC where Obi-Wan comes to him looking for Kamino: his first lesson seems to be that wisdom can come from anywhere and not to make assumptions. I think it results in what we see in the films/series: all of them encourage their padawans to speak their minds at all times and encourage them to do things their way, which leads to them being a bit more independent and unorthodox. Though I guess it's also what makes some like Anakin and Dooku proud and overconfident.
>>97428496
>>97428610
>>97428627
I dunno, I agree with >>97428534, I think Star Wars music is neither over or underrated. Most people I know and most reviews I have read agree that the movies' scores elevate every scenes, and not just the bombastic stuff.

>>97428574
It’s hard to respect the authority of a midget

>>97428574
remove s*bine from this. Her becoming force sensitive is fucking retarded

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>>97428574
>Anakin
Only trained by Yoda when he was a little kid, mainly trained by Obi-Wan. Was already a very personality-laden kid with ideals and goals before his training
>Ahsoka
Shit character and again only trained by Yoda when she was a kid, mainly trained by Anakin. She isn't even a maverick, she's just your bog average Old Order Jedi except she lost faith in the Council because of a shit storyline.
>Sabine
Shit character, shouldn't even have the Force and wasn't trained by Yoda.
>Obi-Wan
Only trained by Yoda when he was a small kid. Obi-Wan was only really a maverick in his early years when he was kinda rowdy, after Qui-Gon's passing he sorta became the golden Old Order Jedi who followed the Code to a T
>Qui-Gon
Only trained by Yoda when he was a kid, later trained by Dooku who himself was a maverick. All of Qui-Gon's anti-Order shenanigans come from distrust in the corrupt Code which comes from Dooku
>Dooku
Yoda's ACTUAL apprentice, I'll be using the more charitable take towards Dooku seen in Dark Rendezvous rather than the psychopathic Dooku from the RotS novel
Dooku, much like Anakin, was born under anomalous circumstances. He knew about his family title and felt driven to prove himself. Furthermore he was also very obstinate and idealistic like Anakin and felt the Jedi should police the galaxy. He slowly lost faith in the Order through the Jedi's incompetence like with the incident at Galidraan and the death of Qui-Gon was a massive blow that led to him accepting Sidious' proposal of an Empire where the new "Jedi" would fix the injustices in the galaxy. He was manipulated like Anakin was
But most of Yoda's padawans were actually quite normal and adherent to the code. I guess Mace also counts as a maverick but that's a whole other story. And Luke of course wasn't really his padawan, he learnt mostly on his own with some light guidance through Yoda and Obi-Wan.

>>97428951
The Anon has no patience.

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>>97428610
>>97428627
>normies only know normy things
Are you surprised somehow? Yeah swifties aren't really out here listening to Yoda's theme. But basically everyone who has even a passive interest in Star Wars, music or movie scoring praises the entire sound track.

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>>97428290
Bane?

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>>97429235
The masked man? The mercenary?

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>>97429291
>>97429235
He is ISB.

>>97428574
>A line of Masters with Padawans who have tendency to be rebellious towards their teachers
>Obi-Wan was seen as rebellious, but Qui-Gon is so unorthodox, that the only way to rebel from that was overcorrecting into becoming one of the most orthodox Jedi
Would each of the students in line reach the true peak by realising their masters were actually right all along in some ways, and mix their own "rebellion" with teachings of their master to reach true mastery?

>>97428951
This was about a line of Master to Padawan, not direct study under Yoda.

>>97414407
People like Rogue One because it had recognizable OT stuff in it. That's it. I doubt most of the people who praise it can even name the characters other than Jyn and Andor. Prior to the show named after him, I bet most couldn't remember Andor.

>>97430003
Rogue One captured the world and feel of the OT. It finally felt like Star Wars, after a decade of cloneslop.

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>>97407127
Forgive me for having a little bit of a autistic loredump, but i've recently been replaying the old Empire At War games and playing through the Zann Consortium really gave me an appreciation for the entire concept of the Talortai as a species.

They explain very little about them in the game, but what we do know is this:
>They are functionally immortal. Never dying of old age, but can be killed by usual murder.
>They are all very attuned to The Force
>They NEVER become Jedi or Sith.
Now, when i was younger, i thought this was just very Mary-Sue, Writers-Pet-Race stuff, but it just occured to me, that all of these idea's actually do fit together perfectly within the actual lore of Star Wars.

Immortality is the exact counterpoint to the entire Jedi/Sith ideology. Yoda's race grows to be very old, but they are still mortal, they still grow old and die. But Jedi and Sith ideologies are intrinsically linked with death:
Sith because their code calls for each generation to grow strong enough to kill the last, ensuring a neverending cycle of growth.
Jedi because they believe in the circle of life that The Force represents, believing that growing close enough to it that you can die and become a part of it is the ultimate expression of that.

An immortal race would not think about Death in such terms, anymore than a human would think about serving and worshipping a Queen that birthed them and the entire rest of their race the way a Bee understands is the logical way to live. An immortal race doesn't think in Generations, so, they would never really become Sith and they wouldn't think about the innevitability of death, since their own deaths are anything but innevitable.

Or am i just overthinking the hell out of someone's mary-sue race?

>>97430003
I remember Ip Man and bootleg Machete. Couldn't tell you what the characters' actual names are, though.

>>97426559
>standing around without comment or interaction
>not discussing important things or exchanging information
>showing anything
Sorry Filoni, Ashoka was foul, boring shit.

>>97430003
>People like Rogue One because it had recognizable OT stuff in it.
There are other good things about it. The space battle is one of the best in star wars. The cinematography was fantastic. The character drama between the villains was pretty good. The movie is mediocre because the main characters are all boring losers with no chemistry, but it's not a complete nothing burger of a movie. Oh, also that FUCKING DOUCHEBAG Saw Gerrera got killed by ten trillion pounds of space rock so that's got to be worth a point.

>>97430305
Also casting her as a black woman because the cartoon had big lips is racist and not in a good way. She should have been a cute white girl like the voice implies.

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>>97430003
It has the best cinematography/composition of any Disney Wars

>>97430997
>the main characters are all boring losers with no chemistry
I would reserve this criticism only for Jyn and Cassian. While I actually liked Diego Luna's performance in Andor, I've rewatched Rogue 1 a couple of times and he really is kind of a charisma vacuum, just like Felicity Jones, in that movie. I suspect it was a writing or a directing problem.

Chirrut and Baze have good chemistry as characters, and I'm glad they got to die side-by-side. And given that he's probably the only character anyone remembers the name of besides Krennic, K2-SO deserves to be mentioned.

>>97431223
Ah Yeah K2-S0 is great, can't believe I forgot. Probably the best droid character in any of the movies, in fact.

>>97431238
Best may be a little too high of praise, I personally really enjoy some of C-3PO's moments, but K-2 is a great character.

>>97428574
Read Dooku: Jedi Lost and find out why

>>97407994
Rouge One forced Darth Vader and Leia ending sucks everything before that is fine, its also just disappointing when the movie was originally being pitched as Top Gun but Star Wars.

>>97430997
what’d you have against saw?

>>97431545
I've always found C3P0 an insufferable fag, even as a kid

>>97431781
That's fair, my dad feels the same way.

>>97431645
Are you sure that was Rogue One, or are you confusing it with the still-unreleased Starfighter?

>>97431645
>forced Darth Vader and Leia ending
That was actually a good tie-in to ANH.
inb4 claims that Vader actually fighting somehow ruins him

>movie was originally being pitched as Top Gun but Star Wars.
The initial script was more of a war movie, yeah. Sadly, we wil never get to see that.
The one they called Top Gun but Star Wars was Rogue Squadron, which is on the endless list of Lucasfilm projects that got quietly shelved after being announced. There even was a trailer of sorts.

>>97430221
>am i just overthinking
No, you're making sense.

>>97432156
>That was actually a good tie-in to ANH.
Nta, but it absolutely was not a good tie-in. It completely contradicts the first movie. Vader explicitly states in ANH that he boarded the Tantive IV because rebel spies were beaming transmissions to it. This is why Leia had plausible deniability and could tell him she had no idea what he was talking about. Rogue One retroactively makes that conversation completely nonsensical by having Vader personally witness the plans physically being handed off to the ship in the middle of a space battle.

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>>97432400
>Vader explicitly states in ANH that he boarded the Tantive IV because rebel spies were beaming transmissions to it. This is why Leia had plausible deniability and could tell him she had no idea what he was talking about.

>Holding her is dangerous. If word of this gets out, it could generate sympathy for the Rebellion in the Senate.

Why the fuck would he think that holding Leia is dangerous if they have witness' and data that shows her ship literally shooting out of the rebel command ship?
Would have made more sense for Vader to fight his way through and then just as he kills the last guy, the terminal they guy was at says something like "Data Transfer Complete" and then it cuts to the Tantive IV receiving the data on the edge of the system

>>97432400
>Vader explicitly states in ANH that he boarded the Tantive IV because rebel spies were beaming transmissions to it.
Which is literally what happens at the end of Rogue One
>This is why Leia had plausible deniability and could tell him she had no idea what he was talking about.
She didn't have plausible deniability, she was lying out her ass and being belligerent because she had no other option except to stall until the droids could reach obi wan.
>Why the fuck would he think that holding Leia is dangerous if they have witness' and data that shows her ship literally shooting out of the rebel command ship?
Because that would require disclosing what the battle of Scarif was about, the hyper-classified black budget super weapon that they explicitly only want to reveal when they're ready to start blowing up planets.

>>97432454
It's because the rebellious parts of the Senate were actually pretty small. The Senate was a legitimate force in the Empire, and its Senators were direct representatives of the Imperial government. At that point in time, literally running down a Senator's yacht with your big Arleigh Burke would not go over well with the politicians. Even if that politician is AOC.

>>97432508
>Because that would require disclosing what the battle of Scarif was about, the hyper-classified black budget super weapon that they explicitly only want to reveal when they're ready to start blowing up planets.

No it wouldn't.
All they'd have to say is that the Rebels tried to attack an Imperial Research and Data Storage Facility on Scarif, but were defeated and that Leia's ship had launched from the Rebel command ship and tried to escape when the command ship was boarded by Imperial forces.

>>97432567
>At that point in time, literally running down a Senator's yacht with your big Arleigh Burke would not go over well with the politicians. Even if that politician is AOC.

Not if you could literally pull up recordings and other data from your warship that showed her yacht being released from the Chinese Warship that had just sailed into Diego Garcia and attacked the US base there.

>>97432671
"Why would a senator be involved in a military action against an unmarked imperial research facility? What was there that they're currently trying to hide from the rest of us? Where is Leia, she is entitled to give her side of the story!

>>97432454
>Why the fuck would he think that holding Leia is dangerous if they have witness' and data that shows her ship literally shooting out of the rebel command ship?
"Well of course they have evidence, boy that's convenient, I'm sure that there's nothing weird going on when all the rivals of the Emperor keep mysteriously being linked to this singular group. Isn't it funny how they just happened to be in the right place at the right time to catch her doing that. Wild."

Not even that difficult to create a 'The Emperor manufactures evidence against its opponents' conspiracy theory.

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>>97432671
>>97432827
The damage at that point would largely be to the legitimacy of GE rule. It's been a few weeks (or so) since Mon Mothma's speech, and seeing the next highly respected Senator be arrested after opnely aiding the Rebels would be another PR desaster.
Keeping things quiet is the better move here, and as we know the Sheevster decided to just remove the Senate, stop the bickering and go to direct rule a few days later, anyway.

Which, in the end, was exactly the thing Luthen Rael had been pushing towards.

>>97432567
That doesn't explain Rogue One's ending though? The Tantive IV is extremely recognizable and the Imperials clearly caught it escaping from a literal battle. Why would Vader even argue against Leia not having ambassadors on a senatorial mission when he clearly saw her escaping with the plans two minutes before?
Also this is even worse with Kenobi where the Empire would already be very aware of the Organas being Rebels and Leia in particular would have notoriety.
>>97433283
>seeing the next highly respected Senator be arrested after opnely aiding the Rebels would be another PR desaster
Nobody gave a fuck about Alderaan. It wasn't "highly respected", it was just another planet. There is no point in the OT where the Empire worries about the threat Alderaan poses by rebelling, they blow it up without a second thought because guess what? We aren't talking about Coruscant or Corellia or Kuat here, Alderaan is just some random core world which most others don't care about

>>97433293
>Nobody gave a fuck about Alderaan. It wasn't "highly respected", it was just another planet.
Yes. And Leia Organa had spent the last three years or so doing all kinds of aid and desaster relief stuff, while being a prety young face, which undoubtedly gave her a lot of good guy points thanks to whatever PR campaign they were running on the holonet to show how great the imperial Senate was.

And now that Senator gets detained under what sounds like utterly insane charges?
A 'Rebel Fleet' struck a secret base nobody ever heard anythingh about, and the Senator was caught stealing secret data in the middle of that battle, and then Lord Vader just so happens to come by, sees her, follows her into Hutt space and arrests her? Yeah sure.

>>97433293
>Nobody gave a fuck about Alderaan. It wasn't "highly respected", it was just another planet
This is suspect since Baal Organa is a big player in the Senate during the Clone Wars

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Killing Jedi and bringing an end to the abomination that is the Republic is good actually.

>>97434326
I don't know much about star wars outside of the movies, but why do people keep saying the republic is bad?

>>97434402
Bloated, corrupt, incompetent, stagnant. Too much money being injected by "special interests", too many career politicians who care more about maintaining their power than serving their constituents.
Just about ever criticism you can lob at the idiocy of the American government, you can point to the Republic's. Because that's exactly what George was doing with the Prequels and Dubya's admin.
And the OT with Nixon.
ST can't claim to have even that baby-spoon level of awareness.

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>>97434402
Lots of eras of the Republic but usually the pre-Empire era is the one that gets lots of shit
>effectively uses slave labour as an army
>doesn’t give a shit about slavery across the galaxy
>so bloated that nothing gets done eg. would rather debate whilst Naboo was being blockaded and starved
>senate was corrupt
>was so weak that it allowed Palpatine to usurp it and create a fascist dictatorship
amongst others

>>97434422
>>97434470
Sorry, what was that bit about Nixon? I don't know American history.

>>97434564
George has described the Rebels as the Viet Cong battling against what he saw as the Imperialism of the United States, specifically the crookedness and criminality of the Nixon administration.

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>>97434564
Dick Nixon committed treason to become President and then prolonged the Vietnam War an additional 7 years - the least popular years of the war. The bad guys in Star Wars are mostly British with German aesthetic but they're modeled after a different empire.

>>97432508
>Which is literally what happens at the end of Rogue One
No, he watches the plans get physically handed off to somebody on the ship. That is very different from "people we suspect as spies sent some sort of message to this ship, confess!." In the former scenario Leia wouldn't even bother to pretend she is on a diplomatic mission, it doesn't make any sense and it is a flat out retcon. Worse, as >>97432454 said, it could have been so easy to make it fit with the original film, but the writers chose not to.

>>97434587
>>97434612
I see. Thank you for the information anons.

>>97434641
>"people we suspect as spies sent some sort of message to this ship, confess!."
Except that's not what Vader said. He knew for a fact what they had and where they got it and what they intended to do about it.

>>97430003
I watched it recently for the first time since it came out. Its rushed disney slop that only worked because I was fucking drunk in the theatre. Still better than everything else from the new films but it was 6/10.

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>>97433559
This is complete fanfiction. Where did you read Leia did aid disaster relief shit? And her being pretty didn't give her PR. And the Imperial Senate did not need holonet appraisal, it was an establishment and wasn't questioned. This is like thinking the Supreme Courts need ads on the net to show how fair they are.
>And now that Senator gets detained under what sounds like utterly insane charges?
No? If the Empire did indeed show proof that Leia had acquired illegal Imperial property then that isn't charges.
>>97434717
Have you even watched ANH?
When Vader is inquiring Antilles:
>Where are those transmissions you intercepted? What have you done with those plans?
>We intercepted no transmissions. Aaah... This is a consular ship. We're on a diplomatic mission...
>If this is a consular ship... where is the Ambassador?
*Antilles dies*
>Commander, tear this ship apart until you've found those plans and bring me the passengers, I want them alive!
Later on with Leia:
>Darth Vader, only you could be so bold. The Imperial Senate will not sit still for this, when they hear you've attacked a diplomatic...
>Don't act so surprised, Your Highness, you weren't on any mercy mission this time. Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by Rebel spies. I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you.
>I don't know what you're talking about. I'm a member of the Imperial Senate on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan...
>You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor. Take her away!

What the other anon said is literally correct. Vader traced Rebel messages containing the plans to the Tantive IV and saw right through Leia's excuse which by itself was kinda weak because Tatooine is not en route to Alderaan. But Rogue One makes this entire moment extremely fucking retarded because the writers needed to have a shitty scene with Vader killing people and of course showing uncanny CGI Leia to get fans wet with the heckin' fanservice.

>>97432156
>inb4 claims that Vader actually fighting somehow ruins him
It's the dullest, most pathetic take on Vader possible. Much like Tarkin he only exists to have fans wank all over the heckin badass final scene
There's no character, development, even relevance. Vader only appears to make a shitty pun and push Krennic to do stuff he was already going to do, and then for the final scene for the completely unnecessary ANH tie in where we don't focus on anything. No real focus on Vader as an apocalyptic entity because he at most faces 10 random Rebels. No focus on his connection to the Death Star since he only appears in the last 10 minutes of the film. A total waste of the character. Same with Tarkin who should have been recast and been the main villain instead of that faggot we got but instead he gets a single scene where a crappy CGI render poses around just to appeal to fans without having to actually put in effort writing for an established character.

>>97434903
>What have you done with those plans?
See, you admit he knew what was stolen
>Darth Vader, only you could be so bold. The Imperial Senate will not sit still for this, when they hear you've attacked a diplomatic...
>Don't act so surprised, Your Highness, you weren't on any mercy mission this time. Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by Rebel spies. I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you.
>I don't know what you're talking about. I'm a member of the Imperial Senate on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan...
>You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor. Take her away!
All of this is completely consistent with Vader having followed her from the battle of Scarif and her brazenly lying out her ass to annoy Vader and buy time for R2.
>uncanny CGI Leia
It looked fine.

>>97434935
The main antagonist being a mid level administrator desperately trying to keep up with the demands of his even more psychopathic superiors so that they don't fuck him out of the pretige of building the foundation of the future of the empire is good actually. In fact it was the only good character writing in the whole movie.

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>>97434996
>All of this is completely consistent with Vader having followed her from the battle of Scarif
Wrong. If Vader had followed her the conversation would go
>Your Highness, you're a total fucking moron. We literally saw you fleeing an active warzone and I personally chased down a rebel who gave you a physical disk with the plans. This isn't even suspicion of Rebellion, you are an obvious collaborator. Furthermore we also saw a Mon Calamari cruiser which makes us obviously suspect Mon Cala of being an active participant of the Rebellion. And if any of the ships survive or we acquire prisoners, we now have leads to track. Your utter idiotic attempt to escape and act foolish despite being more so obviously guilty makes me feel sad for you.
>It looked fine.
No it did not. It looks like a model from Battlefront II EA. It's so fake and cheap and all because they didn't have the fucking balls to either 1. not show Leia (the logical fucking choice, but we need the fanservice since otherwise nobody'll see the film) or 2. recast her.
>>97435013
Could be interesting in another context, perhaps. I'd have far rather preferred gotten more development on Tarkin and other important characters from the OT than this random fag who nobody cares about except Gilroy fans.

>>97431973
no Rouge One had that same idea prior there's old concept art of Tie inceptor and x wings dueling it out Jyn Erso was going to be the Imperial Pilot her wearing the Tie pilot uniform I'm positive was a nod to the initial idea its hard to find the article because modern search engines suck so I could be misremembering but I've been saying this since the movie came out and prior. Starfighter seems to be doing it again but I'm not holding it to it again till I see it.

>>97435032
>Your Highness, you're a total fucking moron
He did say this, in his own words
>This isn't even suspicion of Rebellion, you are an obvious collaborator.
He didn't say she was suspicious, he called her a blatant liar.
>It looks like a model from Battlefront II
Nah it looked fine
You're just throwing a tantrum because you had assumptions about the context of Vader capturing Leia that were contradicted by Rogue One but which were never true in the first place.

>>97434612
I'm really curious what treason you think he committed, given how laughably wrong you are about Vietnam.

>>97435190
Kinda sounds like you Mandela-effected yourself, anon.

>>97435420
He's just trolling

>>97407264
I'll take Filoni over Kennedy any day.

>>97435545
Probably, but like I said, I wanna know.

For the anons that tried it, what is the best system for a Star Wars ttrpg? Fan made or oficial doesn't matter.

>>97434470
Also outsourced running the mid and outer rim to mega corpos who they then gave seats on the senate too. The part of the outer rim not governed by mega corps are run by cartels.

>>97435420
Paris Peace Accords, Hatch Act, Nixon & Kissinger. Johnson should have hanged them both.

>>97435563
Currently, I'm really enjoying the West End Games D6 rpg, simple rules, from the days of canon being developed on a bleeding edge, pretty decently balanced and easy to get your hands on.

>>97435563
FFG is pretty good, though the Genesys conversion is more polished. It's functionally the same system though.

>>97435426
I think you may be right I swear there was concept art but I cant find it, I know /co/ was talking about it back then I not sure if the archive from then is lost but everything I can find from the time just seems to be speculation of the movie being "top gun star wars" from that aspect I will say the movie goes from fine to good. I still think Darth Vader ending is bad because its a next day thing going from rouge one immediately to new hope Vader being too hands on to then just passive the next moment comes off as inconsistent the problem ultimately is it makes the galaxy feel too small. I would've preferred just rebels giving the plans to Bothans you can still do Vader cutting the hallway if you really want that but make it seem hes been following the plans for a week or two by the time he reaches Tantive IV hes just annoyed so storm troopers lead that one.

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>>97435563
OT Era: d6 no doubt
PT Era: FFG should work out for you
ST Era: Can I interest you in some rope and a sturdy tree?

>>97436409
what about, say, post-Dark Empire era?

>>97432827
>unmarked imperial research facility?
>>97433559
>secret base

Was Scarif actually a secret base that only the Imperials knew about? Like I don't remember if that's said in the movie or not. Or is it like Area 51? i.e., the Imperials don't acknowledge it, but the galaxy knows it's there, but nothing else? Or is it like Cheyenne Mountain and the galaxy knows it's there, the Imperials are open about the fact it exists and the basics of what it does, but the rest is classified?

>It's been a few weeks (or so) since Mon Mothma's speech

It's been at over a year.

>the next highly respected Senator be arrested after opnely aiding the Rebels would be another PR desaster.

The senator who's father, and senatorial predecessor, was not only good friends with Mon Mothma, but was the one that yielded the floor to her so that she could give her FUCK THE EMPEROR! speech?
It would be more of a PR disaster for the Senate and would give Palps, the perfect excuse to
>just remove the Senate, stop the bickering and go to direct rule

>A 'Rebel Fleet' struck a secret base nobody ever heard anythingh about, and the Senator was caught stealing secret data in the middle of that battle, and then Lord Vader just so happens to come by, sees her, follows her into Hutt space and arrests her?

Or
>A Rebel Fleet attacked an Imperial base that houses tactical fleet data, ship schematics and other sensitive strategic data. Lord Vader arrived to lead the defence and upon boarding the Rebel Command Ship, witnessed a ship docked within, depart. He proceeded to give chase, and upon capturing the fleeing ship discovered the Senator onboard, who has noted connections to the Rebel Alliance.

But the point I'm making here >>97432454 isn't that they should have gone public, it's that they wouldn't be worried about "sympathy in the senate" from holding her if word did get out, because they literally caught her red handed.

>>97435686
LBJ signed Hart Celler, now THAT was treason

>>97434903
>Where did you read Leia did aid disaster relief shit?
Rebels has her delivering food, or medical aid. From teh Alliance'S perspective it makes sense to have her step into Mon Mothma's humanitarian shoes, gives he some freedom of movement and political capital in the senate..
>And her being pretty didn't give her PR.
OK, you're delusional. Pretty young senator helping the downtrodden is 100% a PR goldmine, unless you claim that SW runs on different logic.

>>97436539
>Was Scarif actually a secret base that only the Imperials knew about?
It doesn't even really matter, teh base is annihilated by the Death Star.
And no Imperial news site wil say 'Imperial Archive blown up by Rebel terrorists! Renegade Senator on the run with secret documents!'
Because when you say that the very next question is going to be 'What documents did she steal?'

And that is on top of the really bad idea of telling the galaxy that the Rebel fleet actually won a fleet engagement. Yeah they got their asses kicked. but they took two ISDs wit them, downed teh shield station and the base was destroyed. OK, teh base was friendly fire, but that still makes it look like a Rebel victory.

Will the Glup Shitto problem ever be solved?

>>97437665
no, it's endemic to star wars

>>97437253
>teh base is annihilated by the Death Star.
>no Imperial news site wil say 'Imperial Archive blown up by Rebel terrorists! Renegade Senator on the run with secret documents!'
>And that is on top of the really bad idea of telling the galaxy that the Rebel fleet actually won a fleet engagement.

Why are do you think the authoritarian government would tell the public the full, un-redacted truth?
They wouldn't. They'd tell only as much as they need to, to justify their actions.

I mean you're right, Imperial News wouldn't say 'Imperial Archive blown up by Rebel terrorists! Renegade Senator on the run with secret documents!'.
They'd say something more like
>Imperial Data Centre attacked by Rebel terrorists! Renegade Senator Involved!

>>97437758
So let's say hypothetically word did get out and Senators sympathetic to the Rebellion start asking questions. The Imperials would claim the following
>Rebel Fleet attacked Scarif
>During battle, Rebels who managed to make it to the planet surface, managed to steal data and transmit it to the Rebel Fleet
>These Rebels then caused significant damage to the Scarif Command Centre before they could be full eliminated.
>Vader arrived and lead a boarding action on the Rebel Command Ship.
>During which he and his Stormtroopers witnessed a ship matching the appearance of the Senator Organa's personal ship escape from a dock with in the Rebel Command Ship.
>And here's the sensor and visual data from a number of Imperial starships and data from the Rebel Command Ship, showing that her ship was docked with it).
>Vader ordered the ship to be tracked and gave chase.
>He managed to catch up with her and board her ship, taking her into custody.
>What data the rebels managed to steal is yet to be determined, due to the damage the Rebels caused to the Scarif Command Centre.
>Any other questions can not be answered at this time, due to the ongoing ISB Investigation and for Security concerns
>Palpatine uses this as justification to disband the Senate.

But once again, none of that is what I'm saying should or would have happened perfectly. What I'm saying >>97432454 is that, that officer wouldn't have felt the need to warn Vader that holding Leia could be dangerous after what's just happened on Scarif, because from the Imperial view point, they've got all the information necessary to justify what they're doing.

>>97436453
this was a real question btw

>>97437771
Why would it not be d6? Though i personally always thought the rules for the force were weird. No i couldn't tell you why i thought that, it just feels strange and awkward. Perhaps i'm being filtered.

>>97436453
If you're playing that, you're based enough to not need us giving you advice. Godspeed, anon.

>>97428031
Well Sith Lord usernames at least have the decency of trying, what with changing or removing vowels and shit. Or just using terms that are somewhat unusual or poetic.
Average Impress is LITERALLY two normal words slapped together. For that matter General Grievous isn't much better, but at least there's a military rank in there instead of being like Gnash Grievous.
Subway Duress is just the end form of already present tendency to name bad guys as obviously bad guys with bad words for names, only completely stripped of any attempt to make it work.

>>97428290
>>97428108
I now want to run a game where my players have to face off against Darth Sane.
"Hoo-hoo! Hee-hee! Ha-ha! You'll never guess what I am! Hoo-hoo!"

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>>97438869
Now I'm just picturing Kefka with a lightsaber.
Fuck, I need to make this happen.

>>97426690
Star Wars Galaxy Map, not the one that was put out by Star Wars themselves

>>97435948
Bothans are Death Star II, not Death Star I

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>>97438903
Reminder that in Clone Wars MMP Dooku had Anzati assassin instructors train clones of Nikto Morgukai to fight for him (in the end defeated by efforts of Quinlan Vos, Tholme, and Aalya Secura), but that doesn't mean he couldn't work with other Anzati during the Clone Wars, not even including another Anzati Dark Jedi, Nikkos Tyris, who founded Jensaarai after studying a Sith holocron formerly owned by another Anzati Dark Jedi, Volfe Karkko, which he received from Dooku.
Which means, you could, in theory, do a special ops mission where Tarkin send PCs against vampires under command of Count Dooku.

>>97439379
Who the fuck are all those glub shittos
Entire post reads like you're having a stroke

I have bought shit ton of boosters of Unlimited but haven't made my own deck yet. What would be the best way of doing so, do you guys use an app to keep track of what cards you have?

>>97439406
Anzati - very ancient species capable of absorbing essence from other beings, basically vampires.
Volfe Karkko - Anzati Dark Jedi, who fell to the Dark Side after consuming it for the first time. Imprisoned on Kiffex, prison moon of Kiffu.
Nikkos Tyris - Anzati Dark Jedi who was part of the Jedi task force that was supposed to take down Bando Gora, which didn't work as expected, he and 2 others managed to escape, while Komari Vosa, who wasn't supposed to be there, was captured. Nikkos Tyris got a Sith holocron from Dooku, allied with Seppies, and formed the Jensaarai - group of Force users known for wearing Cortosis armour, using lightsabers, and being mostly underground for years, fought Corran Horn in "I, Jedi" and maybe joined Luke's Order.

Working for Tarkin sending you after Anzati working for Count Dooku - working for Van Helsing sending you after vampires working under Count Dracula.

>>97437665
No, and especially not with Filoni in charge. You have to understand that to the normalfag audience, every Star Wars character that is not a part of the main cast is a Glup Shitto.
Like, Filoni is bringing back Zeb for the Mandalorian movie. And /r/starwars is like "Hell yeah, Zeb! I love Zeb, how dare you call him a Glup Shitto", but Zeb is exactly the kind of character the meme is about.

Wait, is the Maul show seriously about him taking care of another fucking kid?

>>97439965
People hate when they bring back the OT characters. They hate when they bring back characters from the shows. They also hate new characters.

>>97439379
And K’kruhk was there sometimes too! Everybody loves K’kruhk, and wants him back desperately!

>>97439989
What people want is for characters from books written thirty years ago, comics released twenty five years ago, and video games released twenty years ago.

I really disliked Andor and think it's everything wrong with modern Star Wars.

>>97440009
Which is basically the same thing what Zeb is. But it's considered "good" because it's more obscure.

>>97439989
Not true, people like the new characters when they're good. I'm not even going to talk about Andor, everybody liked the Mandalorian until the show became a parody of itself.
You can argue that he's not a new character, but just an adaptation of OT's Boba Fett, but that just circles back to "people hate when they bring back the OT characters".