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Vitruvian Spirit Edition
Here is a thread to discuss trading card games other than the big three.
>Build Divide
>Force of Will
>Final Fantasy TCG
>DBZ CCG
>Wixoss
>Keyforge
>Gundam
>Legend of the 5 Rings (L5R)
>Digimon
>Flesh and Blood
>Gate Ruler
>Battle Spirits
>Ashes
>One Piece
>The other DBZ game
>Sorcery
>Doomtown
>Warlord
>Magi Nation
>Lord of the Rings
>Neopets
>The Condemned CCG
>Grand Archive TCG
>Disney Lorcana
>Hubworld: Aidalon
>Little Troubles
>Riftbound
etc.
Post about card games you've played and help other anons get to know your games!
Pastebin/Rules for some games
>Wixoss
https://pastebin.com/LC8SpttH
>FoW
https://pastebin.com/aGEBEKeF
>Dragonball GT SD
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Pj_0YeUXI5g4XyKwbAXJuZCGt3qWJwyp
>Gate Ruler
https://pastebin.com/nbcZP0nB
>Build Divide
https://pastebin.com/1cQT2pkz
>FaB
https://rentry.org/oypcs
>Ashes Reborn
https://pastebin.com/2jr0EG9S
>Netrunner
https://pastebin.com/g3yQAQ7w
>Fusion World
https://www.dbs-cardgame.com/fw/pdf/rules/fw_OfficialRule_Manual_en_v1 .00_2.pdf
>Various Japanese CCGs without western translation (page is in moonrunes)
http://card.g1.xrea.com/tcg/catalog.html
>The Condemned CCG
https://pastebin.com/Liu2E7Rq
voice chat for playing /acg/
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>Previous Thread
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>Thread Question
What is some of your favorite card art?
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>>97445939
>What is some of your favorite card art?
I find it really cool
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>>97443733
Facebook used to be really good for acgs, there are even a few acgs and dead acgs groups that are active and have good things poping up from time to time. But anyway it annoys me how slop the platform got after covid. The use of Ai on some groups and the comment sections being filtered and organized by a dumb algorithm makes the experience to be really tiresome sometimes.
>>97445939
>>Thread Question
>What is some of your favorite card art?
PIC is one.
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Good evening, card gaymers. Our top stories in this general:
>Complex and optional interactions in competitive card games are officially le bad, after one anon with ADHD and autism said so. The entire genre has been asked to apologize.
>In peak competitive card gaming, specifically Duel Masters (the game that died, twice), activating shield triggers has been officially declared the highest form of interaction. Sources describe it as “based” especially when it’s mandatory and you had no say in the matter whatsoever.
>Giga-brain anon claims he’s finally found the solution to the tier 0 Pokémon deck that dominated the meta for an entire year. His revolutionary insight?Good deck building. Pro players reportedly furious they didn’t try this sooner.
>Masterclass chess expert anonymous confirmed there are no famous recurring opening plays in chess. Despite this, top players continue to “identify an opener” within the first 3 moves. Scientists baffled, grandmasters investigated, reality under review.
>And finally, TCG formats that have been frozen in time for over a decade cannot be solved. Even with perfect information, infinite testing, and zero new cards, there is always new sauce. Time to pogchamp.
More news at 11.
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Trying too hard at courting scalpers.
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>>97446221
rush tried but even scalpers didn't like yugioh 2's shitty game lmao
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This didn't look good when Pokemon did it and it doesn't look good now. It's so ugly I'm amazed Magic hasn't gotten around to it.
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forgot pic
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>>97447099
It isn't. It still lacks good early-game units (the new red gundam can actually work against you and rest one of your units for no benefit on deploy) and a higher-level unit for shuji. There's no use in deploying level 4 or lower units with the GD02 Gcucks if a wing zero can wipe out all of them.
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For me?
It's the London System.
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>>97447311
Let's actually review what you said.
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>players make the same opening move that guarantees a win
There is no such thing. There never has been.
And then your entertaining shitpost earlier in this thread:
top players continue to “identify an opener” within the first 3 moves.
Wrong again, but for a different reason. The literal first move of a game has a name. We don't need 3 moves to identify it. And depending upon Black's responses, the entire opening (and its associated name) change completely.
Posting a link related to chess openings doesn't mean you understand anything about it. You're a retard who heard something once and decided they know everything about it. You are embarrassing yourself in front of people who are intimately familiar with a subject that you only have the most vague second-hand knowledge of.
Just stop.
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>>97445939
WHAT THE FUCK. I just checked the site and you're right, they do prevent from an instance of damage or being destroyed.
HOWEVER, the rules card that came in the box explicitly stated that wards prevent from an opponents Spell or Special Ability. Nowhere does it mention damage!
This is the worst part of Sorcery by far. Rules are explicitly unclear, contradictory, unexplained. It's frustrating.
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>>97447311
>dude people have developed strategies and studied the benefits of possible openings, that means it's a solved game
If you weren't retarded beyond belief you might understand that "there are hundreds of years' worth of study on the matter of chess and to this day people will play different approaches depending on the opponent and strategy they choose, and we literally only catalogue and give names to opening sequences a few moves deep because after that the game opens up immensely" is not the argument in your favour you think it is. You're just endlessly seething that card games need to introduce inherent randomisation and high variety and to keep adding content and complexity and despite this remain consistently way more solved and unbalanced than chess will ever be.
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>>97447360
hmm, my rules card says if a warded site or unit would be damaged, destroyed, or targeted by an opponent's spell or special ability the ward breaks instead
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>>97447505
Ah I think I get your issue, you though the "by spell or ability" was conditioning the whole sentence instead of just the target part
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>>97447511
That's the card I was looking at too.
I think i see what you're saying, and it may have been a matter of missing the commas for clarity.
I suppose the rules card isn't exactly incorrect after all, I just confused myself and got angry over it lol.
You got the deckbox? What's your favorite deck in there?
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>>97447536
From the starter box, the harbinger, but for purely aesthetic reasons, I like the mental image of yog'sottoth covering the entire field. Guess that's my inner timmy coming out. Necromancer probably for gameplay.
Savior was still the one I liked the least because it just plays like such a slog, all your stuff is small so you don't want to engage until you have enough stuff to actually kill something, the the opponent feels bad about wasting anything on breaking a ward.
I would like to build proper competitive decks, but my scene died before even Arthurian released, so I don't have anyone to play with competitively, only get to use the starters as sort of independent board game I can open when I have 1-3 friends over.
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>>97447521
This would be fixed by ordering the statements differently but I suppose learning to write is too much of a challenge for the modern world.
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>>97447586
>learning to write is too much of a challenge for the modern world.
tell me about itwriter for the game I'm working on has zero impulse control and wants to inject rick and morty references and other such nonsense, and I keep having to check and say no
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>>97447565
Oh, Harbinger is sick. I like voidwalk focus, and that one monster that can yank minions into the void. Very aesthetic.
In terms of making a local scene, my strat was to give three of decks to my friends for Christmas. They're all pretty happy wih the ones they got, and even go put of their way to suggest playing sorcery. Especially the Necromancer player
I wasn't feeling the core Savior deck last time I played, but I think the correct Ward ruling will help change that. I also splshed out the water cards for some fire cards in my collection. The water cards just feel superfluous in a Ward deck, aside from Baptize, which is a bad card anyway and belongs more as a one of in a Water deck.
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>>97447311
I should've just done that yesterday LMAO Good job, anon, you made them seethe more than me
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>>97445939
>LSS starts showing off the new SAGE products, beginning with the precons
>half of the heroes just rock 3x Blade Beckoner generic equipment
>there's literally nothing better in class to build with besides "more health points, chest piece gives a free resource"
Fucking kek. This game has entered a state of stagnation I didn't dream possible. They're selling you this shit at a premium too btw, these are twenty dollar bulk piles stacked on top of a booster pack.
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>>97448071
>they gave Dash talishar
>and she's a hyperdriver deck
What the fuck am I actually watching? Does LSS not even know who their original characters even are anymore? These decks are beyond trash. There's like 4 new cards per deck.
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>They're selling you this shit at a premium too btw, these are twenty dollar bulk piles stacked on top of a booster pack.
$20 isn't premium. These decks obviously aren't made for normal players. Most of the cards i've seen in these videos are staple cards for these decks and are a good starting point.
That being said, it's not looking good if these decks aren't containing the brand new cards that are specifically meant to supplement SAGE. It either means that PEN isn't going to be a big meta shake up for SAGE or means that they're specifically including very few PEN cards in these decks to make new players feel like they need to buy random PEN packs
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>>97447181
I have. I feel like the defense element of the game is lacking (no real ambushes, protection is kind of an afterthought) but it's a neat little Netrunner-like. I think there's a TTS mod out there for it.
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Interesting found this video just now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXg1eXpstlk
But when talking about creatures that had a spell attached the guy was not aware that mtg had adventures and before that other effects like cycling with effect on creatures cards (making the creature a spell when cycled).
Also cool seeing other mechanics of the game (the folded 3 faced card is neat)
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>>97447330
Draven as a character is fuckin based, hes just got a dumb ability in the card game. Hopefully set 3 doesnt have another red legend thats ganna dominate or else this people are ganna start to hate the game
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>>97448720
>means that they're specifically including very few PEN cards in these decks to make new players feel like they need to buy random PEN packs
Already confirmed that pen does nothing to upgrade the set of starter decks. All non precon heroes get their crummy 4 targeted sage cards each in the booster set rolled in with a bevy of their staple reprints, plus the expansionslot that is designed to double dip on the intended audience by catering to CC. There's barely anything new about pen really, it's a bloody reprint mess without a single new legendary. This product would've died on the vine if they didn't cater to turbo fomoids. Flesh and Blood is in the worst shape of its life and with terrible support for the trumped up support set; it isn't looking like this will go over very well at all now. They will live and die by the golden pack's ""value"" and there's nothing that can be done about that.
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>>97448977
This guy needed more research on what "new ideas" were implemented by DM, the 3 folded card sure is weird I'm unsure if it could actually work, surely they would be easily identifiable in your deck when shuffling, by feel or even how the sleeve is "fatter", hell you might even be able to tell the difference on your opponents hand.
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any tip on what to buy in FF tcg as a beginner please? I already have 3 starter decks and they're old because there's no limit breaker (I don't know what they do)
do I buy the 2024 championship decks?
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>>97450319
Those are actually in the game. They don't go in your deck, but your hyperspatial zone (extra deck of double sided cards).
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Can Oscillio work in silver age? It seems the large majority of his CC deck are majestics and a big part of his identity are bouncing auras for effects and that seems to be severely lessened, only having 4 legal instant auras and only 2 being lightning.
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>>97450480
I haven't played it a ton, but I do enjoy it. The characters feel unique enough and have their own gameplan to follow. The core puzzle is figuring out how to attack frequently and efficiently, and ideally correctly to avoid giving your opponent mana (but that speeds up their deckout too so it's not the end of the world if you miss scrolls). It's just the lack of depth in the defense side of things that's a letdown; the rest of the game is fun.
>>97450652
The anniversary sets are good for a lot of basic staples throughout the years, and the champ deck is fine too. As far as Limit Breaks go, the generally useful ones like Leo are easy to get a hold of, and you just need 8 for a full deck. Decks aren't immediately invalid if you don't have any, just less flexible.
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>>97450969
Some South African experiment on game design.
https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation?paperid=116265
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>>97451166
I see thx
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thx
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>>97450735
This commercial has lived rent free in my head for over ten years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IAhcg_xWIE
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>>97450212
>finally get consistent release of new draft sets in 2024
>oneshot CC with insane offensive overtuning in MST
>it'll be fine though, we're getting 3 sets per year things are stabilizing 2025 should be good
>wait but you can't draft because there's no stock
>2026 opens with a reprint+ set at a premium price
>they've fully embraced the glamor bloat strategy where new printings get fancier and fancier
This game is cursed.
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One of my favourite sexo flavours
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>>97452062
>>draft is retired because nobody plays it
This puts a bullet in 75% of all existing cards in FAB because they were made for the limited experience. They would be committing suicide if they stop supporting limited; it's the only thing good that's left in the game.
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I'm trying to get into the Duel Masters OG anime and apparently there's no sub version of it, either dub or original with no subs, no wonder this shit didn't take off even the anime subbers didn't give a shit about it
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>>97446221
Scalpers need to things: it to not be Japanese, because the Japanese market is just good in general at filtering those types out from Xenophobia or being to far away and gooky for anyone to care but then you have the opposite problem of these niche Japanese titles trying to come out in English and them loosing value that way by just looking like a cheap copy, unless you're audience is general enough that the autists in it aren't thinking that deep
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>>97452937
It's rough trying to get into the media outside of the original dub because fucking nothing is translated. I remember someone picking up Win a few years ago only to do like 4 episodes then completely disappear. I'm honestly tempted to just watch it raw.
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>>97451166
I like how this seems to build out a internal strength/counter system, I don't know if this is a card game, reading and it seems like just a board game with dice, but its kinda cool it has more inherit structure than a lot of the card games which it seems all the big ones were established early and kinda had to ad hoc a lot of the game design as it went, Yugioh in particular went through various stages of realizing it didn't do enough to give different types of cards built in identity/effects
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You can upload episodes on youtube and it will give it CC, which you can translate to english. If you have an active enough youtube account you can also give it an auto dub, get CC from that auto dub (which is ussualy more accurate than youtube's auto-translate) and maybe get CC from that?
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>>97450212
I love how people complain about reprints like it's a bad thing.
Yugioh is the king of reprints and yet I still have such a hard time finding non premade decks online for reasonable prices because so many sellers are scummy. High priced decks that are all commons or low rarity but are tagged as if they were selling you max rarity and missing all the high meta staples that would make it competitive.
A card game should be judged by how resellers handle second market deck purchasing. If you can't sell second hand custom decks that aren't out of the box without charging hundreds more than what they're worth your card game is in a lot of trouble.
Reprinting is a lot more than just "making staples affordable" it's also "how do we provide reprints so that new players can have them without having to buy them individually from sellers". Getting the fucking runaround on reprints is what made me stop collecting Magic in the end because reprints aren't affordable or accessible because of the $30 reprint booster pack and $50 pricetag online
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The amount of hoops people will jump through when they could have started learning Japanese years ago.
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I love how official LSS employees, this one being "Marketing and Content Guru," don't even know the rules procedure for the game anymore. Very cool, James.
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Having trouble with this site, no idea why. Just want to pull down some cubes and precons. Anyone have similar experiences or alternatives?
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>>97445939
Is this a reference to the junji ito comic called "hellstar remina"?
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>>97454693
I translated the first 10 minutes and I learned two things, 1. Youtube's CC is alright but whisper is probably better so I should set that up 2. I should learn how the game works
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>>97455764
>2. I should learn how the game works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV6fA0e-Qm8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxhrmuykJO8
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Haven't lurked in a while but catfag got himself on a card. Grats to him
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>>97445939
>Thread Question
Sorcery has too many of them but I choose this.
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>4/5 duelists are girls
DM is officially a waifu game now.
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>>97454498
>love how people complain about reprints like it's a bad thing.
You stupid secondaries don't know what playing fab competitive is actually like. There's too much overlap with the use case of these reprints, in other words they're ubiquitous and mandatory. Why on earth would I wish for the next half decade to be governed by the power of cards that have existed since it was created? Not so much as a side grade for tunic after all these years. You think it's so cool they brought back tunic, but the reality is that it never left and there's exactly no rivals for it today. The game is resting hard on its laurels and that's impossible to ignore. They refuse to evolve the card pool and thus decklists run a locked in 80% of cards for all eternity. That fucking blows, mate.
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Extra extra, sage dead on arrival! Fans are looking at these decks going "is LSS serious? This sinks!"
https://youtu.be/s-18Ojf9VeY?si=Q249AlO6yMAXBPmm
Rip Dori ever getting nice things
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damn FF tcg products are expensive as fuck, I don't know where to buy cheap products (beside the starter decks I found in a thrift shop for 6 bucks each)
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>>97457655
These decklists are hilariously bad because lss only designs limited experiences with great care or success. Their precons have never ever been well conceived. James and Bryan caught red handed trying to tickle fan's balls over these decks "pulling no punches."
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>>97457958
Sidegrades =/= powercreep
So you like sleeving up the exact same decks minus a few spicy additions for ten years? Have fun playing with the same shit I guess. Also 'don't forget your tunic counter' being a nauseating meme for twenty years before an equivocal side grade is presented.
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>>97445939
Started playing the GBA game based on the Score DBZ CCG and I regret not getting more cards as a kid. I somehow have an entire booster box of Kid Buu Saga still sitting around, from back when the set binned hard because Score introduced GT too soon afterward.
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>>97459149
>anon doesn't have his nice cards double sleeved in a slide case or a toploader or a condom
ALWAYS wear protection
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>>97457040
Favorite Duelist so far?
I like Fiona.
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>>97459435
T. Not tournament legal. Equipment goes in the graveyard and needs the same sleeves and inners as your deck
>>97459319
>wash your dick
I don't care how much you scrub off the public smegma, it still gets gritty, knicked surface and bent corners over years and years and years of shuffling. Fat fucks who never heard of a nail clipper before that love to jab your cards on the board when asking what that card does is another hazard that's impossible to avoid over the course of an entire decade.
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>>97458033
Man, Kid Buu has some great cards in it. Really fun set.
You could always just proxy the cards to play with friends. It's still a great game despite having gotten stupid expensive over the years.
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>>97459721
>not tournament legal
>Arena-cards do not have to be sleeved identically and may be sleeved or placed in heavy plastic cases, so long as they do not obstruct the game-space.
You're so stupid lol
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Just another day of bad wrong incorrect rulings from the nogames trolls who lurk the thread to complain about your sleeves. You will play SAGE with my unsleeved nasty fucking cards and you'll like it.
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>>97460513
In the manga, she seems to act like that.
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P-proxy sisters...
Not like this...
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>>97453134
Got 1 episode out, this is tough even with a bunch of work done for you
https://nyaa.si/view/2070200
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>runeblades never not eatting good
Hah, bet you didn't see a casual 8 split damage for 3 coming, did ya? And in common no less.
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>>97461921
Cool beans, I guess. Nice move, LSS, you're juicing up the already heavily cracked athletes, the ones who left the competitive circuit in a flash, and you are now releasing them into the kiddie pool to wreck havoc.
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>>97461343
owari da
I just wanted to see how accurate it is.
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We are so back.
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>>97461337
oh yeah thanks haha gome
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>LSS has to edit in the correct play because they didn't catch this during recording
>gaining a life against Reaping Blade is a nogo
total professionalism here
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>>97461343
Better than expected, but not great. That's just how MTL is.
There are minor issues here and there (timing, spelling mistakes, etc.), but none that make it hard to follow what's going on.
The most consistent issues I found were related to names (character names and card names).
Eg.
>Rekuta being spelled correctly at first, then later misspelled "Rector"
>Shobu's opponent in the tournament, Saionji being referred to as Sayonji, Saouji, and Yontera.
That last one is funny because it means that the way the translation works is it's first converted to Japanese text, and it probably heard his name as Yonji, and then wrote it out as 四寺, and then later figured that name was pronounced Yontera (寺 can be both read as ji or tera). Basically highlights a problem of how the speech recognition and translation are two separate processes with no intercommunication.
>Inconsistent honorific usage
Sometimes "Shobu-kun" is "Shobu-kun" but sometimes it's just "Shobu" and Rekuta calling him "Sho-chan" only gets subbed as "Sho" except for one instance of "Sho-chan".
>Inconsistent family name/given name orders
Kirifuda Shobu is consistently family name -> given name, but Saionji had the opposite order (when referred to by the subs as Yontera).
>Some card name inconsistency
粛清の伝道師ラー being translated as both "Purification Evangelist Ra" and "Purifier Preacher Ra" in two lines back-to-back. Both are fine translations (official is Lah, Purification Enforcer), but ideally the translation should remain consistent.
>"Your armor is sent to the graveyard"
"Armor" should be "Vorg", because he's sending Immortal Baron, Vorg to the graveyard. The reason this line got translated like this is because the Japanese word for armor is pronounced "bougu" which is the same way Vorg's name is pronounced (if I was WotC back then I'd translate the cards name to Borg because early fire civ guys are basically diesel-punk cyborgs). Highlights that future lines don't use the context of previous lines.
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Another weird moment is during the little explanation of Bolshack Dragon, where it says he's part of an "alien civilization" instead of the "fire civilization" because I guess the MTL doesn't understand what 火文明 means. It's technically a game term so it makes sense. I could see future instances of the MTL getting tripped up by game mechanic terms like specific civilizations, creature types, and keywords.
Overall I'd give these subs a D. Maybe it could go up to a D+ or C if the issues I pointed out were fixed, though the effort in doing so might defeat the whole point of shitting out quick machine translated subs in the first place.
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>>97462176
most of the name stuff was me correcting stuff myself, with the first episode I was just getting a work flow setup so parts of it were a patchwork, Bolshak's line was definitely the AI not knowing what was being said originally
if you're interested this was the og transcript, whisper is really easy to use though, literally just install python (it recommends an older 3.11 but not sure if newer is fine) and feed it audio, chatgpt tells me all the commands I don't know
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>>97462049
The absolute fucking faggots also censored Anis and that almost made me crash out. Fuck Bandai. Not buying anything even if it directly supports my deck.
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>>97462206
Interesting. It heard 火文明 (hi-bun-mei) as 異文明 (i-bun-mei). Not technically a real word, but "alien civilization" is probably the best way to translate it.
If I had to guess, it probably won't have too many problems hearing the other civilization names because they have more syllables and are more audibly distinct.
Fire civilization might continue to be a problem. Even if it correctly hears the "hi" of "hibunmei", I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up doing something like 日文明 (Sun Civilization).
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>>97445939
>TQ
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>>97461710
this but unironically
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>>97460505
>pokemon box of 36 packs 10 cards each
>gamegenic matte sleeves $10/100 sleeves
>same brand inner sleeves $3.50/100 sleeves
In what universe ? Are you triple sleeving your shit with KWABon shields and KMCs or SLIDER KATANA 5s or some shit
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>>97460505
the flaw here is feeling like you need to sleeve every damn thing.
sleeve your tournament deck, put the high price rares in a binder, and just stick the rest back in the box. you're not preserving priceless relics for a museum, for fuck's sake. just accept that you're never gonna sell that shit on, remind yourself that your relatives are gonna dumpster it all after you die, and stop worrying about it.
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>>97462542
This reminds me of the time I asked my mom if I could buy a model kit off ebay because all the EBgames in my area didn't have Eva Unit One. She let me pick it out, I was familiar with how they looked, so it seemed legit but it was also affordable. I was so excited when it arrived, I raced to my room to flip through the moon rune booklet and get started, but after I took one look at the logo on the box I knew I had fucked up -- "Bendi" it read. That thing was a solid shit knock-off that crumbled as it was assembled, and also it was stretched in the Z dimension and looked horrid from a profile view. Those industry leading bendable arms with inner skeleton were road-rubber stiff slabs that tore right off the crude plastic. Never again did I buy something like this without more than stock photos in the listing.
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>>97463351
Last I checked people ITT were spending 280 CAD on a single box of sorcery (lol) or MAP for FUCKFAB (80 USD). trinity draft plus shipping clears 100 USD. Cookierun 60 USD on clearance. Wan piss fags have to fight tooth and nail to open a box at msrp
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>>97463711
DM and Wixoss are both sub 30. Stuff like Xenomortal and GS goes to sub 15. Learn 2 buyfag.
>trinity draft
Technically effectively a tabletop game / LCG. ACG adjacent but you're not buying a box and rolling the gacha, you're buying the whole expansion.
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>>97463791
>wa lao earthborne rangers argument for the 1000th time
Disregarding your shit argument about the truest and most real scotsman a new box of DM has 150 cards TOTAL. You spend 30 USD on the box? That's 20$ in sleeves if you're that sub-mentally in need of sleeving every bleeding card.
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>he's not putting every card including the digimon energy tracker in a sleeve
ngmi
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>>97464086
>>wa lao earthborne rangers argument
rent free
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>>97464148
>he can't use the top of the line board and card game sleeves
>he has to use inners + penny sleeves to sleeve every card or go single-sleeved
ACK it's so fucking over bros. You have no argument whatsoever and are a dead end to speak to. Can't wait to see what you'll bother everybody about next!
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>>97461963
Turns out the cards that came with his deck around really for him. Genius move. Worst attention to detail of any game creator I've seen; just print random stuff and shove it into pretty packaging, caring not for the composition but only the presentation.
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So does FAB have a deck building problem? It really feels like decks are pretty locked in for the majority of heroes, maybe give or take 2-3 sets per deck and maybe a difference in sideboard cards.
On one hand, this makes the deck building experience pretty boring and there is rarely a surprise deck/playstyle that is entirely player-made. You'll never see completely unique decks that the devs never intended but on the other hand, because there are so many heroes and classes, it's not like the game is lacking in decks and playstyles. It's just being more upfront and deliberate about what deck archetypes and styles exist and as a result, they (theoretically) can build and balance around them though from what i've seen so far, they play favorites
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>https://youtu.be/i56lmskWc9Y
>nothing new for Ranger
Haha
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My second One piece purchase after a single two legends pack. Just the Ace one
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what's the best resource for cataloguing or selling the DBZ CCG? they've recently been added to pricecharting, but I just use that for vidya atm and I don't know if it's any good beyond that.
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>>97466796
Got a cool looking Stussy
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>>97467261
You got some cards to sell?
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>>97467366
Post pics of cards. Always love seeing what sort of fun stuff other people have ^_^
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the blowback on the silver age launch is pretty bad, I don't think this format will be around for long
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>>97467672
They're proving themselves pretty incompetent for fucking up this important of a product launch. At least people are finally waking up to the fact that the marketing engine is stronger than the development discipline.
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>let's print majestics at rare, give the class that already has the best commons and rares more good commons and rares and release precons of complete chaff with no alt arts
I was high on compendium going into this set but these spoilers have me baffled
Also LSS saying that we didnt know the REAL sage yet and then showing shit like Iyslander still using all blade beckoner equipment is a laugh.
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>>97467813
>Add chase cards to pre-cons so they'll sell out/be priced higher so that newcomers, who they're intended for, can't even get their hands on them
Genius idea bro. I'll huff copium that PEN will actually be good but if they didn't market the pre-cons as being super competitive, I don't think people would actually care or bitch about it.
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>>97467693
They definitely look nice. I'll probably buy an entire playset of the whole set like I did with the fourth release.
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Am I an evildoer for missing a session of my local weekly I've been participating in at the games store for the last month to go see the IMAX screening of 'Hard Boiled'?
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>>97445939
I love this nigga like you wouldn't believe, and I want to DM the designers and pitch an idea for a Site that reads, "[Cardname] Tower: Adjacent sites are also towers."
Lemme build a tower fortress!
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Some details about the battle spirits reboot got tweeted, too lazy to link them all. Here are the ones talking about the finalised new card design however
https://x.com/bs_official/status/2017178465452347853
https://x.com/bs_official/status/2017178773645607278
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>>97469105
You’re talking about this? Is this really going to fix the deck? I feel like they banned the only cards that made Blue relevant, and that’s because they weren’t Nico-based. You can see it in the lack of blue decks in the toppings.
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>>97467813
>Also LSS saying that we didnt know the REAL sage yet
They're proven liars now. It's incredibly stupid of them to release that dev talk back at the end of 25, bunch of tonedeaf assholes clowning on their fanbase telling them "this is the future of fab!"
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>>97466803
It's great! I play on TTS with my friends all the time. If it's not on the workshop I can reup
>>97464127
LCG are ACG the threadtroll just gets his panties in a twist when you imply a card game can be distributed without random gambling. Speaking of, new Hubworld cards spoiled today
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The main hypeman, DMA, is countering negativity by misdirecting the conversation and pointing at the real reason why there's negativity for Flesh and Blood in the first place. All these LSS bootlickers think people are merely upset at the precons not delivering alone, when there's growing concerns over the structure of releases and overall balance for the game going forward. The new format is going to be rocky as hell and take years to develop as they hone in on what kinds of equipment side grades they can flesh out.
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>>97470825
I'm a newer player to FAB and the one thing that bothers me the most about the game is how little selection there is for equipment and weapons.
You would think that these would be the most flexible pieces in a deck, the thing that actually makes your deck and playstyle stand out. Pieces that actually help impact vs matchups. Everyone is pretty much running the same shit for their class mixed with some of the extremely good all classes. Sideboard includes 1, maybe 2, arcane barriers.
For a game that's been out for 6+ years I would have expected this to be the one thing they've honed in on over the years. While some classes are lacking, it might not feel as bad if players at least felt like they had real freedom of expression with a wide array of viable equipment and weapons to choose for their classes and heroes.
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>>97471099
>I'm a newer player to FAB and the one thing that bothers me the most about the game is how little selection there is for equipment and weapons.
I've had that feeling for six years, my guy. In all that time it has gotten better, but only just a bit. The game is really quite wonderful, but they have done a tremendously bad job at fleshing out the choices that can be made during deck creation. Once a set of equipment gets acquired and cased up, you slap that thing down on so many tables without rotating out it isn't even funny. I get really bummed out when I think of the restriction of game at a deck building level, especially for the classes that are too fractured and not supported since they were haphazardly introduced. It's like 86% of all equipment is sealed chaff these days, and the classes that do eat well are spoiled for choice.
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>>97470899
Based. Money well spent
>>97471182
>My unchecked coomerist instinct
Another based anon
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>creature has effect that triggers on killing another creature
>effects also conditionally applies when playing the creature
>logically the latter comes first, but formatting wise it's cleaner to mention it later on the card
How would you do it?
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https://x.com/hololive_OCG_EN/status/2017055163245056016
So they're finally fixing this after over a month after the set's release
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>>97471485
>two grown women pretend to be retarded anime dog-girls
Stop, anon, my dick is already hard.
>>97471435
Is Marine in a viable deck?
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>>97471485
For Western VTubers, you gotta put some respect on them being able to hold onto character that hard for over two years now.
>>97471499
She's always been strong on her own but two consistent top tier decks use her as a means to return the main attacker to hand, tack on some extra damage, and as a nice bonus she also happens to cover a color weakness for both.
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>>97471466
To me, Helen is the sexiest viable Ruler but there's also Pricia, Lyka, Lilias, Matelda, Caelth and Zero that are hot waifus and certified top tier.
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>>97470867
>Exploding Kittens is an LCG
You understand 'living' in the 'living card game' acronym means that there's regular single box releases to expand the game over time and without a randomized element to collecting, right? Net Runner was a LCG, but it's no longer living now. Exploding kittens is a 'party card game' and thus falls under boardgame jurisdiction. It still distinguishes itself as a card game, but it's not a living one.
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>>97471435
Downgrade
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>picrels
Sex!
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>>97471659
>You understand 'living' in the 'living card game' acronym means that there's regular single box releases to expand the game over time and without a randomized element to collecting, right?
Which EK gets, retard kun.
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>>97471599
Got deck lists?
>>97471625
Got links?
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>>97471701
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uXCqIqNBotlLhZ94aGoqLeKTK3BBnUvcc4 K43oRWGFo/edit?tab=t.jaecunyzisqv
Here's a big ol Google Doc of sample decklists for everyone in Red, Marine included. If you want to see the decks where she's used for utility, go for ReineMarine in Green, Submarine/BabaDona in yellow, and RaoraMarine in White.
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>>97471884
The game has a sim. https://github.com/GabeJWJ/holoDelta
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>>97471701
Pricia
https://www.forceofwind.online/view_decklist/72202/
Zero
https://www.forceofwind.online/view_decklist/69717/
Mercurius+Sol
https://www.fowsystem.com/es/decklink?id=N5pJirEtnXhhslrbBDyLTQ%3d%3d
Matelda
https://www.forceofwind.online/view_decklist/109102/
Lyka
https://www.forceofwind.online/view_decklist/72197/
You can also just search yourself for lists on forceofwind for deck ideas. Most of them are random, user-created lists, but you'll sometime find topping lists as well.
>>97472043
Good taste, I was a Zero player back in the day and was planning on updating her next because she's also a Witch/Mage mommy and I already have some of her cards.
>Is there lore
She's like the game's main character. There's a lot lore
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>>97472131
It's mostly manual outside of setup but there are shortcuts for some functions.
>Right Click: Rest a Holomem
>R: Reset
>D: Draw a card
>C: reveal a card from the cheer deck
>>97472131
https://hikaru702.itch.io/holoalt-tcg
There's also this that has an AI practice mode but not every effect is functional and seeing how 99% of posts on its subsection are pointing out things that don't work you start to understand why Holoduel died early on.
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>>97472109
>Is there lore on her being corrupted and evil
If you mean her dark version, lore-wise, she isn’t actually corrupted or evil. She becomes Null (Neutral) rather than malicious. She chooses to become Null after realizing that the world she created needs an endpoint, and she takes on that role in order to erase it when she wants.
>and having thick fucking thighs
Her being CAKED UP is canon and nothing new, anon. Her ass was so fat that they had to make a censored version of her swimsuit card, and I remember the entire community collectively gooning when the reveal image dropped (me included).
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>>97472216
>It's mostly manual
It's over for me...
>not every effect is functional and seeing how 99% of posts on its subsection are pointing out things that don't work you start to understand why Holoduel died early on
At least the guy is updating it consistently. One day it might be fully playable
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>>97472094
Looked through the rulers. I'm an Alice autist with a corruption fetish, please tell me she's good. Other ones I found neat:
>https://www.forceofwind.online/card/JRP-054J/
>https://www.forceofwind.online/card/TEU-019/
>https://www.forceofwind.online/card/ABC-SD05-001J/
Also the Cthulhu archetype is neat and has cool art.
>>97472260
>She chooses to become Null after realizing that the world she created needs an endpoint, and she takes on that role in order to erase it when she wants
Sounds like evil and coping about it.
>pic
I'll need the uncensored version if I ever pick it up I suppose.
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>went to gamestop today
>wanted to buy some Neopets cards
>ask to buy a box out of the display
>go to pay
>comes out to about $43 and change, heavily discounted beyond the online clearance price
>"Whoa really can I get the other box left too?"
>total was like $75 after getting a discount with Pro
Best day I've had in January. I'll post my pulls later. :)
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>>97472355
>Dark Alice
Never saw her top anything personally but may be wrong. One of her creature version (Dark Alice, Rabbit Princess) is a staple in most Yellow decks if that can help you cope. The current good Alice ruler is her non-corrupted version (Alice, Tales of Creation). Her older dark version (Maiden of Slaughter) used to be top tier in 2015.
>Avatar of Darkness
Don't think so. Never saw someone top with it.
Rucheel
Based taste. Very meta, but now banned unfortunately.
>Flute
Meta, but some important cards has been banned in Paradox (Standard) format.
https://www.forceofwind.online/view_decklist/72195/
>I'll need the uncensored version if I ever pick it up I suppose.
Doubt you'll ever have to. It's a very old card that has been powercrept.
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>>97472512
>One of her creature version (Dark Alice, Rabbit Princess) is a staple in most Yellow decks if that can help you cope
Zero is a yellow so I suppose I might be able to construct a heavy waifu deck if they're compatible?
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No idea if it's gonna be good or not, but I just started getting my Sorcery orders in the mail. Looking to play an A/F Evil deck helmet by Sorcerer for the card advantage, and gonna try and smoke 'em out with removal, with Gall/LoD/Dr. Doom on the top end to slap their shit in.
Can't wait for it not to work, but I like the flavor nonetheless.
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>>97472592
Yeah, Zero doesn't necessarily need her but you could still play her the deck and it wouldn't hurt, Alice is that good.
>>97472642
Powercrept. Chevalresse Acht looks like one though.
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how can you even play this card game (berserk tcg) if the cards cost 1000 bucks??? use proxies? play it online? where?
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>>97472510
Thank you thank you. I'll admit I haven't paid much attention to the meta side of it I just wanted to collect mostly haha.
It was really fun opening these and it was hard to decide what would make the final cut of this photo, lot of 1 of foil legends and all the Darigan alts. This is my tally though, Box 1 was on the top (had the reduced price tag)
>Box 1: Zafara Royal, Gelert Royal, Blue Poogle Royal, Lord Kass Full Art, Darigan Holo, Lisha Alt Art Holo, Darigan Paint Brush x2, upper 3 Grundo Warehouse code cards (Trithduril Wearable code (!!!)
>Box 2: Aisha Royal, Eyrie Royal, Pink Poogle Royal, JubJub Royal, Trithduril Full Art, Darigan Paint Brush x1, Royal Paint Brush x1, Lisha Holo, Castle Defender Holo, Master Vex alt art and Mr. Scary (only copy I got of each in both boxes :( ) and then the 3 bottom Darigan pets and the Holo Darigan Hot Dog, 2 of the Grundo Warehouse codes were for the Villains Stained Glass Background 1 is just covered up since I ran out of room.
All in all super glad I was able to buy both boxes for $75. Well worth it. Not even sure how much the Lord Kass is going for, but I'm probably keeping it. Definitely looking forward to more Neopets boxes in the future.
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>>97473853
Gundam. No counters but there's instant timing stuff, mostly bolts and combat tricks. Can play online on mobile wing arena or zumbo if you are on phone
Speaking of Gundam, i went to a shop here in Japan today to check out the new set, I saw a couple guys opening packs and told them if they found what I was looking for I'd buy it from them. They just gave it to me for free, including a Gfred. I gave them something in return ofc. Lovely people
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>all of silverage compendium is spoiled
>it's shit
Shocker.
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>>97474698
What, no, really? With amazing card design like this, what's to be upset with?
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>>97474746
meanwhile, not all classes get the shaft (Bryan & James' lovelies)
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>>97474767
I mean back then I would've told myself "surely they'll print a card that interacts with equipment in a way that makes this a distinct choice." Now that hope has been crushed to a fine powder, especially after seeing 'the future of the game' known as Cumpenisom. The game will either never improve or it will take a decade for there to be enough variety in deck building to really express creativity.
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Did someone say class favoritism? Reminder that the devs fear the ranger. They feed us shit and keep us down for a reason.
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Pay up, bitch. This set is a travesty and everyone knows it now.
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>>97474796
>the only trap interaction in the entire game is stapled to one card
>it's a hero ability, meaning no other rangers synergize with traps whatsoever
>riptide still has no payoff card for making his entire deck a trap pile, making his games go to time and your friends hating you
>the new traps aren't even good and will be a challenge to trigger
>if you take the equipment traps you're actively gimping yourself for a token plus a single source of damage from Rippy
I want off Mr Kiwi's wild ride.
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>>97474827
I started playing in gd02 so I don't know how it was before, rn I play a deck that can deal with blockers fine and there are a lot of cantrip, but "3 mana draw 2" is still the premium card draw effect. I saw people complaining about blue drawing too much but I haven't experienced that yet
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>>97474796
>face down chest equipment with mandatory triggers
>mandatory triggers with highly specific conditions
>in a game where tempo swings at the right moment are just as important as good numbers
Imagine the fucking judge calls, holy shit.
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>>97474956
The payoff is severely disproportionate to the condition, on practically all these cards. What the ever-loving-fuck were they thinking? If someone sees a ranger pull up with cloaked gear, they're first going to laugh at them, then they will proceed to dance around the effect and treat their equipment as a blank slot. It's not like there's so much cloaked gear that you can play legit mind games with. I fucking hate these cards.
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>>97475375
It's a not so subtle hint that rangers are forever wrecked.
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>whenever a trap you control triggers
>deal damage to the attacker
Oh my god, if he plays these actions on his turn, they "trigger" and he pings HIMSELF. Wow, Bry, wow. LSS cannot be this fucking retarded. Utterly unplayable gobshite. If only they had a fucking legendary to tie all trap builds together with a huge payoff, but nah. Rangers are all feeling this right now >>97475749
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>>97476869
Cyclops team
Pros:
>Cheap
>High Synergy Cards
Cons:
>Insular cards that only work within this deck, so no path to switch to a different deck
>Auto loses to Ping Decks.
Alternatively
Gundam 00
Pros:
>in stock
>2x Starter decks have most of the card you need
Cons:
>Most Expensive LR for the deck is not included in the starter
Fee Option:
Play the game online from free before you commit. Locals and online play will vary wildly.
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>>97477290
nvm found it:
https://tcgtopdecks-hq.com/
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>>97474868
>I saw people complaining about blue drawing too much
Lmao whut. Like if you go to the official website it tells you what color does what generally and it does say that blue draws cards, but it's a lie. Every color has draw effects and blue has some of the most restrictive or expensive draws in the game. White is for actually digging through decks.
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>>97477304
Not who you're asking but it's not quite there yet IMO. A lot of good cards but it's an archetype you can't splash other shit into easily so you're going to run a lot of shitty cards to make sure your good cards are online, but the good cards aren't quite good enough to change the meta so they're not really worth running the dead weight for. Clan and Cyclops are in a similar boat, though I think Clan is a real deck now. You can get wins with any of the 3 but you're just more open to bricks so you won't have the consistency needed for tournament placement.
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The two newest ones, Celestial Drive and Flash of Radiance, preferably Celestial Drive since it will grow better if you decide to upgrade it with boosters or singles. The first 6 all contain really strong cards as well, so some of them may be better long term investments but CD and FoR need the least amount of support from buying boosters to be runnable. Just buy 1 or 2 copies of the deck and it plays. Also decks 1-4 are still sold out everywhere. Currently reprinting, but not fast enough for the demand.
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>>97477333
It is pretty ironic that because it sells so well and because the chase cards are alt arts and the market is collectors over players Pokémon ends up being one of the cheapest games to play competitively. A bit of a shame it's not that great.
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>>97475758
the actual expensive stuff are the LRs in ST01-04 which haven't been fully reprinted to meet demand. this new wave of products increased in printing which made all of the cards easy to grab off of the secondary markets.
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>>97477546
I think what Pokémon does is the best way to handle a card game. Alt art are expensive and push sealed products, while players can buy cheap cards in the secondary market
>A bit of a shame it's not that great
Yes. It isn't for everyone, but I like it
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>>97477890
As a Pokémon fan*, having to interact with Pokémon fans is mainly what's keeping me from getting into it. I have never seen a board dumber than /vp/. However between how cheap it is and how active it is I should just bite the bullet and use it to get my foot in the door, and maybe I can convert some people to ACGs that way.
*I enjoy the franchise but the mainline games are dogshit recently.
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>>97477890
Same. The only thing I dislike is that they print retarded cards form time to time
>>97478050
When I had an lgs near me, most players were fine, but there were some that you had to pray to not play against them. Otherwise, it could ruin your night
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>>97478058
You live in the US and your LGS isn't a hole in the ground next to where they sell cocaine at night with too little room for people to sit around and play because the one table there is taken by 40k. I sincerely don't think you realise how much the lower population density and lack of mall culture impacts communities.
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I will never not be grateful Holoka also inherited this from Pokemon. People who just want to play don't have spend too much on a meta deck once they get enough staples, and fans of the talents will shell out for boxes and high rarity cards. Only Oshis risk getting pricey but those tend to sit around 20 dollars if the card's name is not Hoshimachi Suisei.
>>97478050
The group I play with is pleasant but then again they could randomly break out into a fistfight and still be a straight upgrade from /vt/.
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>>97478351
>https://www.wingtable.net/gcg
Do you prefer it to: https://mobilesuitarena.com/ ?
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Anyone picking up some of the 3rd Godzilla set? I might grab a few packs at my LGS, but a booster box is already $60 online.
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>>97478347
Prove it.
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>>97478958
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2836000/tcg-design-deep-dive-2-4-vict ory-mill-and-life-dec
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>>97479047
I'm not, but from what I understand, you draft 39 cards, then you use 23 as your deck and 16 as your life deck, with monsters having different combat attack value and direct attack value. It helps with tracking since you don't need a life tracker while avoiding the feelsbad of losing your best cards to direct attacks
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Hello Holofolk, I won my event today and got the playmat. Curse this format, I had to cheat on my Senchou with another Holomem.
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>>97478529
Here, in my miscellaneous cards binder
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Check 'em at your leisure