>TQ
No
I climbed the tree

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>TQ
I’ve already joined on tzeentchs wild ride, so I’m afraid not.

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>TQ
unfortunately i've been kidnapped by giant stupid rats, and they're not of the stinky boil variety, so no

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>>97446562
TQ: No, I jumped into the BONEZONE

>>97446562
I'm sad, I was supposed to be trading some leftover old world shit I had with some guy and was gonna get the funny Tallyman in metal and a GUO in Metal but the guy basically fell off the face of the earth

>>97446623
Are metal greater demons at peaat demon prince sized? I know they got massive scale creep with plastic

>>97446638
From what I've seen yes, they're teeny tiny. Like it would take like 4 metal GUO's to equal the massive fuck off new sculpt. I kinda wanna poke the guy again to see if he's still around but there was something about a family member being in a coma and he had to run the business or something. I don't know if it was bullshit but I'm always pretty awkward when it comes to stuff like that.

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>implying i jump on the nurgle ship when the OBR pontoon bridge

>>97446690
I wanted a new Arkhan :(

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>>97446690
*pontoon bridge is available
FUCK

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>>97446562
>TQ
Years ago, Nurgle is my first and eternal love <3

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Behold: Not-Mannfred
How'd he look and how can I do better?

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>>97446755
looking very well painted, anon.

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>>97446638
a bit smaller but close enough. actually closer to gelgus pust that the new generic DP

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FUCKING IRON WARRIORS GET A PLASTIC 40K RELEASE BEFORE KURNOTHI?!
NOOSE, HERE I COME!

>>97446792
Cool i guess

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>>97446746

>>97446792
you clicked on the wrong tab friend

>>97446755
how did you get that frost effect around the edges?

>>97446824
Frost effect? I'm guessing you mean the highlights on the black armor?

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>>97446562
>tq
I've got some dg for 40k but nothing nurgle for aos.

>>97446963
based nighthauntanon

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>>97446980
Thanks anon, have another goaste

>>97446963
What's the paint on the gravestone? I quite like the tint.

>Did you jump on the Nurgle ship?

Considered it but honestly I'm kinda holding out until they show off the new Ogors and for 2nd wave Cities of Sigmar.

New Ossiarch look sick as hell tho.

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>>97447082
Fyreslayer flesh/reikland/contrast medium in proportions I didn't really keep track of

>tq
I really like the Rotswords and the Blight Templar models from Darkwater. The idea of starting a Nurgle has infected me, I only hope I can finish current projects before it’s too much to bear.

>>97446799
What's wrong anon?

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>>97446699
>OBR pontoon bridge
we all know what all happen

>>97446562
Her room is tidier than mine

>>97447610
clean your room, anon!!!!

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God I cant wait for Malekiths dark elves to come in

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>>97447674
No, now you must perish

>>97447720
>this year!
>next year at the latest!
>for sure this time!

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>>97447737
Listen anon after the chaos midgets got in I have no doubt its just a matter of when. Besides I have started my lrl army so i can wait however long it takes.

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One of the larger independent hobby stores in the world ( accounting for up to 2% of all GW global sales ) did an interview. Actually kind of worrying news out of Spain, although that was traditionally Fantasy country I guess but still.

>>97447862
oh well, guess age of sigmar is over. you can leave the thread now faggot

>>97447862
I wouldn't look too deep into it. Spain, to my knowledge, was one of the only places pre-End Times where WHFB 8th edition was actually thriving, so it's to be expected that the game will do well over there, especially with the boost in fans of the setting after stuff like Vermintide, TW:WH, and the launch of TOW.

As for "AOS has a bad time since TOW released," I don't really buy that. AOS is still a top 10 contender in sales for gaming miniatures worldwide, while TOW has dropped off the list since release (though admittedly the list is skewed by the inclusion of TTRPG minis like D&D Frameworks and Nolzur's). I'd argue gaming activity is also a good metric for a game's health and, at least anecdotally, I tend to see more AOS games at my FLGS than I do TOW.

I don't think TOW is doomed to die again like some people think, but I do think that it's not going to surpass AOS if only by virtue that rank-and-flank games are a niche in an already niche hobby, so even with updated models instead of being the AOS retirement home, the game will always lag behind in sales.

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>>97447752
>>97447720

Why are you posting Morathi's friends?

>>97447927
>gaming miniatures worldwide, while TOW has dropped off the list
>>97447930
A lot of people here seem to confuse this list as being a global list. When this is a third party distributor survey that gathers data from an unknown number of third party FLGS in the USA that choose to opt in. It really isn't as definitive or valuable as many people seem to think it is.

>>97447930
>>97447927

You can use tournament attendance which is a better indicator than anecdotal FLGS attendance.
If that was the case, Warcry would be the third biggest GW game as we have a thriving Warcry scene

>>97447942
even a limited amount of north america is more valuable sales data than all of europe combined
sorry bud
and curious that you're saying that in regards to actual hard data and not to some guy going "well I heard from somebody who knows somebody that one LGS in spain said they sold cathay like hotcakes"

>>97447862
Fake.
Know how I can tell? It implies TWW faggots and ratclick yiffs buy minis.

>>97447953
No it’s more like, here’s a store that accounts for 1/50 of all sales of Warhammer in the world did an interview and I am posting what they said as fact.

That’s the key difference. You can quantify how significant their numbers are. You can’t for the survey because they don’t provide their methodology (probably because it would be called out as worthless and would no longer be seen as a value add for their sub).

>>97447965
skaven have always been one of the top 5 most popular armies tourist-kun

>>97447862
Well I guess now we know why Cathay is about to get their second wave like 6 months after their first. Now they will have a bigger range than some AoS and 40k factions with 6 months of releases.

>>97447976
And the ones buying the Skaven minis are not the same ones as the secondaries glazing TOW because they played Vermintide 2 on their pee sea, projection-kun. It's pretty obvious you felt called out judging by the response lmao

>>97447992
>u-umad
go back lmao

>>97447995
>doesn't deny it
GG no re secondary-kun

>>97447972
Yes I'm sure somebody posting something like "they made the maths" is a really reliable source
Provide actual statistics like the ivc2 charts (yes they still count even though they debunk your statements and hurt your feelings) and not some interview with some nobody cares sp*niard shop that SWEARS they're selling 2% of all GW sales globally

>>97448003
Uh yeah, some store is lying about being one of GW’s biggest customers in public, in order to spread false rumours about sales of age of sigmar. Right…meds

>>97448025
>The well known and widely distributed ICV2 survey is all lies though, trust me bro

>>97448025
>my guy would never lie
>but this organization is TOTALLY all lies and even if it wasn't this spanish store matters more

>>97448047
I’m not saying it’s lies. I am saying without knowing the methodology a survey is effectively worthless yes. It fails at the very first step of academic verification. It’s a quantitative survey that doesn’t provide numerical context.

>>97448047
AoS, game wise is definitely in a slump, but Nurgle preorders doing numbers means people still love the models. It's just pathetic someone wastes their time posting a concern troll in hopes of stirring shit up.

>>97448058
>It's not lies, it's just obviously false and unbelievable
Bro, the ICV2 survey is older than you are, stop coping.

>>97448072
You are legit double digit IQ if you can’t comprehend what I am saying

>>97448076
No, I understand exactly how retarded your argument is, especially in the context that you are simultaneously defending to the hilt some random forum post proclaiming the immense data reliability of an informal interview with a singular hobby store in Spain.

can you spergs go discuss sales numbers on reset era or somewhere people give a shit about this?

>>97448175
The TWW thread isn't on /tg/ though :(

>>97448061
2/3s of the nurgle range is out of stock, helsmiths went out of stock, aos sells just fine, they're selling through everything they're shipping. doomposting is pure low effort gaslighting when you can just click over to the GW webstore and everything is out of stock

Would I ever really want the models in the Maggotkin Spearhead? It has no Rotswords which is a big draw for the army to me, but it does have Nurglings and those seem fun too.

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What army does she play?

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>grok_image_1769339584982

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I will force all slop posters to wander the Earth, forced to watch their souls succumb to my will, such is the power of Nagash.

>>97447936
They are great eye catchers for disscusion on the future dark elves .

>>97448460
If you don't already have nurglings and are looking to play nurgle, then you'll want nurglings for sure. Apparenlty the beast of nurgle is really buff in the new book so if your interested in that and don't hate rotmire creed, it might be worth a pick up. This box is unfortunately one of those "we need to get all these extra models off the warehouse shelves" boxes and not one that's particularly thematic or logically built.

>>97448597
Which is Morathi

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>grok_image_1769339584982

Slop

>>97447862
Ah yes, Spain. The events and opinions of Spain truly shape the world and we should 100% care.

>>97448722
I see. I’m thinking on holding out for a Spearhead or even Battleforce with the Rotswords or Blightkings then, I can find discounted Nurglings relatively easy.

>>97448921
>>97448943

I find the 2% figure dubious. The US and UK are about 80% of the world's GW sales, so of the remaining 20%, this LGS, in Spain, makes up more sales than any Warhammer store?

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>>97448992
All of Europe is 23%.
A single Spanish store, makes up 10% of it. Against all the Warhammer stores, all the other LGS.
I find this incredibly hard to believe

>>97447976
Not really, seems like a fairly recent thing.

>TQ: nah, still loyal to my OBR overlords.

>>97447986
Yes, because GW can simply plan and design a new wave within few months.

>>97448921
>>97448992
Spain does seem to have a relatively outsized wargaming community, I remember their killteam tournament numbers being higher than the us at some point which is crazy. Also very much grog country, lots of historicals, like 3rd/4th edition 40k, that sort of shit. Tow too is probably doing better there, relatively speaking, then in the usa or the rest of western yurop.
But yeah 2% of warhammer sales seems a bit ridiculous, keeping in mind that they probably only distribute in continental europe, they'd have to be responsible for like 10% of yuropean sales which seems hard to believe.
>>97449134
In fairness cathay already went through the first few stages of the design process years ago for total war, the designs we see now are basically the exact same. Keep in mind that cathay wave 1 was rather small; 1 infantry kit, 1 cavalry kit, 1 artillery kit, 2 hero kits and 3 centrepieces. That's smaller than idoneth was. This second wave is two more infantry kits, two characters, and a specialist gunner unit. That brings them somewhere between launch kharadron and lumineth. Hopefully gw learns from this that if you have a small fledgling faction you'll go further by adding a small Infantry kit or two instead of a shitty hero every edition, even if the immediate value of a character is better for them.

>all these people treating TGA posted source as hostile
Lmaoing at you newfriends, that's from an AoS forum.

Planning start AoS thinking Cities of Sig for humanity fuck yeah , Seraphon for ancient alien memes and dinosaurs with lasers or should I wait to see what the rumoured dwarf hold faction is like?

>hostile
no, we're laughing at it for the unsourced bullshit that it is

>>97449245
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2qTXBuEoJQ&t=1s

Which when cross referenced with >>97449037
adds up to about 10% of european revenue, which is about 2% of global revenue. The source was literally listed if you followed the OP comment back. So everything initially said is corroborated and not even that crazy if you don't immediate lock up with hostility.

>>97447729
Kek

>>97449258
>multiple shots of people playing in their store
>all TOW
what the fuck

>>97449258
>corroborated
no, it's one store making a claim

>>97449282
https://youtu.be/d2qTXBuEoJQ?t=850 a store that sells AoS and has no interest in seeing AoS sell less so TOW can sell more. It's the largest store in Spain (started as an online warehouse now with a storefront). You can watch the part I linked, it's like 30 seconds and you can see there's no animosity to AoS and he even chuckles at how old some TOW models are.

>>97449291
>no look here's the same guy saying this with zero evidence that proves it's corroborated
so you just didn't know what that word meant when you tried to act so high and mighty

>>97449282
>>97449291
They have 10 storefronts all over the country, it's an independent chain not a single store.

>>97449258
That's not corroborated at all. Most GW revenue comes from their own stores. Even if we assume half, it still doesn't add up

>>97449291
Do you know what corroborated means?

>>97449291
>so this aisle is all warhammer?
>yeah warhammer 40k, the classic
>wait but this aisle is also warhammer??
>oh yeah that's age of sigmar, essentially they changed fantasy into that. They've got some great models see. Anyway it's not at its best because a couple years back they released this [old world] which is basically the same thing, look they found a way to sell these old miniatures haha [...]
The whole thing is legit like a 15 second side exchange, pretty funny. That being said it's not exactly hard to believe that aos is -relatively speaking- not as in demand as in pre-tow days, they are very similar products at the end of the day, as much as both sides like to shitfling.
I'm curious about the 9 million = 2 percent of gw revenue thing because the math does work out, but don't they clearly sell a bunch of non-gw shit too? I checked out their front page and it's a fuckton of boardgames and whatnot, took a bit of scrolling to see warhammer.

>>97449364
Every now and then some people need to be reminded that the greatest competition any of GW's wargames have to contend with are the other wargames also produced by GW.

Why are you mad that TOW could possibly sell more than AoS in a few areas?

>>97449496
That's not even what they're saying, just that aos is not selling *as* much as before. Though if there's one place I can see tow doing exceptionally well it's spain. Also places like poland or russia always seemed more fantasy focused.

>>97449237
you may be waiting on the dwarfs for a while, that could still be a year or two off, and they may also delete some of the exisitng fyreslayer units if you decide to get a jump start on them right now with fyreslayers. that said, its very easy to just proxy one fyreslayers model as another, and some of those models may be out of production soon, so if you want to grab the models for painting your window may be closing.

cities have really wonderful new models, probably one of the most characterful armies in age of sigmar. they can be a bit of a bear to play on the table though. any individual units stats are quite mediocre, so its a combined arms army that requires melee working in concert with ranged, units recieving multiple overlapping buffs, combos, its one of the more thought and reading intensive armies in the game to squeeze performance out of. not impossible, but your units dont tend to with 1v1 against most other comparable units from other armies, and require that teamwork to pull ahead.

seraphon on the other hand got a rework in this most recent edition that took them from being a complicated synergy driven combo army to a very straightforward beatstick army, where its units all stand quite well on their own and require very few buffs or synergies to work together, rather overcoming the opponent through raw speed, bulk, and damage. sarus warriors pack a very high health count for a very low cost and have a competent combat profile attached to that. kroxigor each have as much health and damage as most infantry heroes for other armies, and seraphons cavalry can be blindingly fast, with the aggradons a brawler combat cavalry and the skink cavalry being more of a fragile hypersonic missile capable of making 30 inch charges in a turn. however, the army can lack some of that combo driven A+B+C gameplay and nuanced technical specialists units that make armies like cities of sigmar more dynamic.

>>97449511
>just that aos is not selling *as* much as before.
if there was better cross compatibility it could only sell more than before, gw is shooting themselves in the feet

>>97449511
So, nothing to get mad about. If there were true competition between AoS and TOW inside of GW, it could have to positive side effect that the AoS team finally gets their asses up and produce proper new waves for existing armies and such.

>>97449555
why do that when new armies sell more?

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>>97449237
>>97449514
What's this about a rumoured dwarf hold faction? Got any more info on that? I built the new dwarf king with shieldbearers for old world recently and it was awesome so any new traditional dwarfs would be great.

>>97449562
I doubt that hashut sold better than the new waves for SBGL and Nurgle.

>>97449582
it sold out, which means helsmiths sold at least as well as they expected, they werent sitting on unsold boxes during launch week. hell half of their range is STILL out of stock 3 months later

>>97449569
not much, rumored to be a combo of fyreslayers and dispossessed, the exisiting fyreslayers range will lose its most basic vulkite berserker unit as well as a handful of its redundant foot heroes, and will get joined to a new dwarven element that represents the broader dwarven society within AoS.

if you are expecting copy and paste old world dwarfs i would maybe temper that expectation, the only teaser we've seen so far is a front tabard which still very much has fyreslayer design themes.

that said, if the units end up being similar enough there's no reason you couldnt run the old dwarf kits as new units as well.

>>97449598
>sold at least as well as they expected,
Which doesn't mean it sold more than new waves for existing armies, which was the original claim.

>>97446755
You could have added a bit of yellow or orange to the red to highlight the cape more

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>>97449569
Like >>97449621 said the basic gist is that fyreslayers are getting souped with essentially a new (sub)faction of more "normal" dwarfs. Fyreslayers themselves are also rumoured to get some new stuff, like a new magmadroth. They're apparently losing their basic berzerkers and like 2 or 3 foot heroes, though if they'll get a replacement for those berserkers is unclear as of now.
There's a whole recap of the rumours over on TGA, here : https://www.tga.community/blogs/entry/2487-rumours-update-16-january-2026/
Just search for the fyreslayer section. Keep in mind not all rumours are created equal, you can count on this Whitefang guy to be pretty on the money, Boole is usually pretty close but can get some details wrong (e.g. he thought the cankerborn were some form of troggoth), and the Reformation guy is yet to be proven.
Picrel is supposedly a blurred pic of the new magmadroth posted by the last guy.

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>Spain gives citizenship to million undocumented Africans
>suddnely ToW spikes there
I'm noticing a pattern

>>97449632
it doesnt mean it sold less either, and we cant know since GW doesnt release sales numbers for individual factions.

so you cant know that it didnt sell better. your claim is just as baseless as any other

today methinks i will visit my LGS and get a zontari endrin dock

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Anyone else play the under edition of Underworld? I feel like it's just me and my mate :(
Been a while since we last heard about it, I hope it isn't dead.

>>97449686
Is that thing useful for KO? I heard the salvagers were very very good but otherwise I don't know how the new stuff was received.
>>97449699
I don't play but I hope it sticks around because it's an excellent source of character minis because you get 4 or 5 for the same price gw normally charges for a single one. Very nice for when I don't feel like converting my own.
Also I've heard people refer to an upcoming obr warband that was supposedly rumoured but I can't find an actual source for it, but maybe that's something?

>>97449717
>but maybe that's something?
One can certainly hope.

>it's an excellent source of character minis
The amount of my hero models that are from the Underworlds warbands is crazy haha it's half the reason I enjoy it so much.

>>97449717
I'm not sure myself, but it's 20 points so you may as well bring it. It can do mortals, reduce control scores, unbind manifestations and heal ships.

>>97449621
>>97449656
That's interesting, I always liked the fyreslayers but not enough to want a full army so I'll keep an eye on it, cheers

>>97449686
hey speaking of KO how's this list, unsure about what tactics i'd want

2000/2000 pts

Kharadron Overlords
Endrineers Guild Expeditionary Force (20)
General's Handbook 2025-26
Drops: 2
Wounds: 99

Battle Tactic Cards:

General's Regiment
Brokk Grungsson, Lord-Magnate of Barak-Nar (260)
• General
Arkanaut Frigate (300)
Endrinmaster with Dirigible Suit (160)
• Bold as Brass
Endrinriggers (220)
• Reinforced
Endrinriggers (220)
• Reinforced

Regiment 1
Drekki Flynt (130)
Arkanaut Frigate (300)
• Zonbarcorp 'Dealbreaker' Battle Ram
Aetheric Navigator (130)
• Voidstone Orb
Vongrim Salvagers (240)
• Reinforced

Faction Terrain
Zontari Endrin Dock (20)

>>97449743
I like some of the fyreslayer heroes and their droths, but the basic infantry never appealed to me, and the lack of choice certainly didn't help. I'm also curious about khazalids, at the very least I'm thinking of buying the spearhead or something to run there.
You probably won't have to wait THAT long either, it'll be either late this year or early 2027. If I had to guess I'd say they'll be revealed somewhere around september or october, and released a few months after that.

>>97448482
Real women don't play AoS I'm afraid

>>97449840
>grok_image
>real woman

>>97449699
Nah, never got the point. It looks like Wacry but TCG.

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>establish branch office in Ghyran
>didn't bring the Filthbringers along
Poor guys.

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I'd like to think this is some new CoS critter but I believe it's more likely another Death Korps model for 40k.

>>97449982
yeah, it looks very close to the DKoK modified horses, so i'd agree with you there. what is the current state of rumor engines anyway?

AoS. Old World. 40k. Everywhere I to it's thirsty Dark Elf fans asking for a drop of water from GW.

>>97449933
>It looks like Wacry but TCG
Wut

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>>97449933
>It looks like Wacry but TCG.
Wasn't there a literal gw tcg called warcry?
>>97449982
Mhm, I thought so too but those horses have more clawy feet than here, and also no fur from what I can tell. I thought maybe palladors, but those are a little too furry, and have full hooves. This thing appears to have some hoof/claw hybrid thing going on. Some other type of hippogryph maybe?

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I'm fuckin doing it

>>97450088
Don't you fucking dare anon

>>97446746
What's up with the stone terrain? Did you carve some patterns but then just slap contrast over then whole area? It looks like solid rectangles of colour here

>>97450112
I've had this fucking Spearhead built and primed for months, and I've been trying to think of a less basic scheme while I worked on other projects. But I have decided. I will do the thing I want to do, and if that makes me a basic bitch, so be it.

>>97449699
I jumped into 1e with Wintermaw, so still a lot of milage to get out of that

>>97449982
I think it will be 40k, we're out of factions that can get this type of shit this edition

>>97447862
>2021
GW will go into bankruptcy soon for sure! By 2023 there won't be a GW!
They're a hobby store that focuses on railway kits and such, which is an entirely different community. 72mm tank kits, terrain, etc. They sell Warhammer at RRP so everyone knows better and if they don't they'd just buy it from GW itself?
GW will eventually bottleneck onboarding but it's currently a microcosm of the global economic situation where the ultra wealthy accommodate for over half of commerce so the common man is practically irrelevant. GW obviously isn't in luxury territory but they don't need the cautious consumer.

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Well, this is a thing. Cast your votes for the Exalted Grand Marshal.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/mlybbxsj/you-decide-the-cover-star-for-a-new-ultimate-guide-to-warhammer-age-of-sigmar/

>>97450186
Ionos sweep

>>97450186
wonder what model they will bundle with this one since the 40k one came with the shitty titus one

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>>97450216
A perfectly generic knight-vexillor but with no hat.

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>>97450216

>>97450216
The winner obviously. Vote for Ar€$aon

>>97450138
Oh lol I didn't even read that closely, thought it was just normal foliage. I assume this is for ye olde sakura sylvaneth then?

>>97447976
Ah yes, the fantasy army so popular before that during WHFB their only update between 7th edition and the squatting was two end times kits (stormfiends and the Verminlords), who still have monkey dogs from the 90s as an active part of their roster.
Must be a very popular army!

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>>97450186
Morathi should be on the cover.

>>97448482
What's up with those dice

>>97450186
It's so weird to have Archie but not Betty and Veronica.

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>>97450249
yes it's going to be very cute

>>97450186
>video shows archy, ionus and ushoran
>vote options: archy, ionus and ...yndrasta
Oh fuck off gw let my boy grace the cover. I guess archaon then?
Anyway does anyone have the 40k version? Is it any good, and does it contain any meta-history, behind the scenes type stuff? Wouldn't mind this as a sort of coffee table book.

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>>97450261
Best of luck to you.

>>97450186
>stormcast
>stormcast
>archaon
niggers

Is there anywhere that has a complete set of 2nd edition books as pdfs? I remember there used to be a mega link, it’s not like there’s something specific I’m looking for I’m just trying to get my gaming group into second so having all the books to browse would be handy.

>>97450343
we have:
vanilla
french vanilla
and chocolate ice cream

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>>97450186
>>97450343
>>97450371
Robbed

>>97450350
i got most pdfs, but i am missing the starter sets outside of carrion empire. i could share a few if you want.

>>97450415
Yeah literally whatever you're happy to share I'll take it, starter sets aren't a huge deal though.

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>>97450186

I voted Ionus

although im guessing archeon will win

>>97450449
gofile io /d/ a7qYaY

You are welcome to browse my collection.

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>>97450186
Which one should I vote?

>>97450250
Total war revisionism and its consequences...
Seriously the amount of time I've heard people say "gw barely released any minis for fantasy, that's why it died. If they just had more releases it would've been fine!" over the years is staggering. I can only conclude this is something a demented grog once said on /twg/ or r/totalwar or whatever the fuck and it just sort of spread from there.
On the other end of the spectrum we have the idea that "fantasy was getting outsold by chaos black paint / the tactical marines box", also repeated time and time again but coming from nowhere.

>>97450501
ionus is a cool model but i have a soft spot for yndrasta. fuck archaon though, absolute mary sue generic sauron ripoff

>>97450501
Definitely not the side cut shemale.
Somehow, she/her will still win I'm sure.

>>97450236
Is she push-fit?
The model will need to be push fit like Titus

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>>97450236
I hope they squat the current blacktalons kit and bring back this model instead.

>>97450502
Your ends of the spectrum dont correspond to either/or conditions. Both could be true (even if we know the no updates is bullshit).
For some armies, IE Skaven, Brets, GW WASNT releasing many models. For others (the elves), they started getting new models every edition. Empire got a big re release in 7th, Dwarfs kept get getting new stuff (7th and 8th), Ogres got a bunch of new stuff in 8th, fucking Beastmen got a big update, TK and VC got a lot of new stuff.....
So that 'they never got updates' is a fucking lie. As for the 'outsold by paint and tacticals marines,' I have never seen the figures. Tactical marines probably did outsell a lot, fuck they probably outsold most of 40k as well

>>97450501
>second most important character of the setting
>character whose claim to fame is being the face of aos' shittiest box set and edition (not her fault but still)
>literally who character most notable for being the base of tow waac dragon conversions
Gee I sure wonder who will win this one

>>97450570
>>literally who character most notable for being the base of tow waac dragon conversions
to be fair, being derivative is a good reason to be put on a cover

normal fantasy people might pick up the book because they see something closer to what they find conventionally cool, 40k people might also do the same because the dude is practically a chaplain to their eyes
and at the same time he's also a stormcast, so quintessentially representative of aos as a whole, has a cool dragon, again, representing monsters by which the fantasy side of things distinguishes itself from 40k, and this character alone can spark a conversation regarding the whole iter, both in terms of fluff and development out of the setting, that aos has gone through, since we see him in the first boxset ever, the dragons are part of the 2nd/3rd edition narratives, and the ruination chamber he's basically heralded is at the center of the current edition's presentation.

he's not the best model, but he's a good model, and I argue the best choice out of the ones presented.
fuck archaon and his refuse of a mount.

>>97450613
If these are are only three options, I will have to go with arachaon.
I don't like it.
But the winged dyke is horrible, and spooky face on dragon looks like garbage (dragon is... Ok, the Stormcast is shit).
I honestly think that new hero with the axe (the axe is planted at his feet, it's some Stormcast hero I can't be bothered to remember the name) would look better than all these slop.

>>97450565
>Your ends of the spectrum dont correspond to either/or conditions.
I meant it in the way that both refer to the state of fantasy sales at the end of its lifespan, the first one being more apologetic towards the setting, the latter more scathing (though I've heard the outsold by marines thing from even the most diehard of fantasy grogs to be fair).
Anyway, I'm sure tactical marines were a bestseller, but come on, more than the ENTIRE fantasy range? Closest we get to salea figures is picrel from iirc the chapterhouse lawsuit, which shows that at least the rulesbook for what was I think 7th edition whfb was competitive at the very least with the new marine codex released a couple of years before that (though good lord it actually is close that's quite grim).
>>97450613
Ionus is meant to be the relictor in mighty battles? Didn't know that.
But are we really going to argue that Ionus is more recognizable to fantasy fans than archaon even on his dumb new mount? Come on.
My choice would've been ushoran like said before.

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>>97450657
>forgot the actual pic
That's what I get for phoneposting.

>>97450657
>Ionus is meant to be the relictor in mighty battles?
yep, for all we can say about the failings of aos, a few people working on the fluff are surely trying their best to keep the setting internally interconnected, in the good way.

and I'm not saying that the guy is more recognisable than archaon, I'm saying an armored dude on a normal dragon is a conventionally cool fantasy design, archaon by contrast is a bit much.

>>97450664
Dear God Space Yiffs are popular.

>>97450657
>Ionus is meant to be the relictor in mighty battles?
What do you mean, "meant to be?". Even in the oldest AoS novels Ionus was one of the most prominent named characters. Did you just not read the books/lore at all?

>>97450715
Barely anyone reads BL slop, and an even smaller proportion read AoS slop.
I would guess that more people have listened to 2++ Tough's 'lore' summaries than purchased the fucking books, and those video recaps don't even include all the information, as he deliberately says 'i dont want to spoil it go purchase the novel!!!' so the game of telephone that is BL slop to a SINGLE loreTuber to lazy, idiot slop listener can't even claim to have known the entire situation

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Archy had some cool art back in 1e but I wouldn’t use his current model as a cover. It’s really more of an issue with the posing of dorghar itself rather than the design philosophy of it (although I would do some minor alterations).

>>97450737
this is some self hating shit now

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>>97450689
>saying an armored dude on a normal dragon is a conventionally cool fantasy design, archaon by contrast is a bit much.
Mhm, fair enough.
As for ionus, I guess it makes sense yeah. He's the lord relictor of vandus' chamber. Never connected the dots because unlike vandus, the lord relictor in the box is just that, a lord relictor. Sidenote but wow is the stormcast naming scheme ass. Knight-something-or /ant Latinus Thunder-Hammer.
>>97450715
I got roped in by malign portents so never bothered with mighty battles, I don't read BL, and only the tomes of factions I play.
Though y'know what's funny, I actually think I have the old lord-relictor from that box lying around somewhere, was gifted that one, so I guess I've got an Ionus.

>>97450751
Man I'm sorry this is the way it is, but it's the way it is

>>97450918
>vandus
I've heard khul is supposed to get a new model "soon" but do we know anything about vandy? Hasn't he gone full schizo recently?
I really like his model, probably one of the better fatcast. His dracoth looks kind of ass though, it's the weird car-plate armour design they have.

>>97450930
I imagin they will come together

>>97450186
>Arkhan squatted
lmao based

>>97451046
Well duh, they wouldn't make him a new model without removing the old one

>>97451046
What's really scary is that the ancient carnosaur model is still there instead of the new kroak or slann.
I thought they would finally remake that fucker and send the old model back to TOW... If it's in this book I'd assume it is here to stay

>>97451061
Can't wait, I fucking hate the dread abyssal kit. Wobbly piece of shit.

>>97451068
Why would Kroak be on a page theamed around Suarus???

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>>97450930
We are all hoping for it, they set it up for the end of 3rd edition but they blueballed us, so it must happen at the end of 4th ed.

I think it's one of those moments that could be used to draw a line in the sand and say "we fixed all the mistakes and compromises of aos' launch".

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>>97451068
>>97451046
why are you mongoloids drawing conclusions as if 2 pages are meant to contain everything about a faction?

>>97451092
One page rules fags can't comprehand two pages of images

>>97451079
>I think it's one of those moments that could be used to draw a line in the sand and say "we fixed all the mistakes and compromises of aos' launch".
Not this edition, you'll need a Khonre refresh for that.

>>97451139
the only khorne models that need a refresh are the skullreapers/wrathmongers

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>>97451068
>What's really scary is that the ancient carnosaur model is still there
>ancient
He's from 2013 anon, and holds up perfectly. Probably my favourite model of the whole range. There's other more pressing models that need refreshes before they even THINK about touching that one. If lizards come to tow they can use the actually ancient one, picrel.
>>97451139
Could be some end of edition stuff.

>>97451186
Surus aged like ass, but that Carno is still a beauty

>>97451148
this but actually blood warriors

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>>97451273
I know what I see

>>97450258
I'm glad you will be dieing soon soon I don't have to hear boomer slop humour like this for much longer

>>97451148
I don't know which is which but the anvilslingers are okay, the khorne chosen build is awful though.
Reminds me of seraphon fliers. Terradons have aged gracefully without any problems and then the rippers have the ugliest fucking heads in the whole range.
Any other examples of a severe imbalance in build option quality?

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>>97447862
I believe it
3d printing is so good now it is better than anything GW release

>>97451148
I'm building an army of them, and as things currently stands I think the only mortal I'll be using the intended model for will be the ritualist and skullcrushers.

>>97451439
I know it's a great unclean one and everything but you gotta clean that guy up a little anon

>>97451439
Clearly you can't 3D print a tast if you think that pose looks good.
And it's looks like more work than the iconic FW guo pose

>>97449699
1st ed is better. 2nd ed is shit and people stopped playing because of how slop it looks.

>>97451439
Lots of printing lines. Next time use a lighter or small flame to smooth the surface a bit (sand it for larger areas without much details)

>>97450186
Gotta be Ionus for me. Wholly original AoS character that's been around since the beginning and evolved with the setting. Fucking gorgeous model. The bonus for him is that he's an SCE so GW would love to have him on there because they likely still have hopes that SCE will somehow ever be 10% as popular as Space Marines.

>>97451439
But that looks bad.
Also is it like a meme that anything 3d print MUST be horribly painted with contrast slop?

>>97451439
Grim.

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>>97446562
>TQ
Maggotkin was one of my first AoS armies getting into 4th! Their new battletome and rules look exceptionally fun (especially seeing the army of renown based around my favorite model, Horticulous Slimux)

I've taken a LONG ass break from AoS though, and I want to get back into gamin' once I paint some more models in my Gloomspite Gitz. Way I figure, I'll earn my way to the new Nurgle models once I get these loonies done.

>>97449982
It looks kinda like the hoof for a Death Rider horse, but it has fur, while the Death Rider horses are completely hairless. IMHO it kinda looks like a gnashtoof leg, maybe kruleboy kavalry?

>>97450186
I kinda want to go with Yndrasta cause I like her but I gotta vote for Ionus, his model is just too fucking cool to not be the cover.

>>97450088
My condolences. Hope you don't ever get stuck in a cherry blossom sylvaneth mirror match, but it's about 50% of all the painted sylvaneth army's so I think it'll happen eventually

>>97446746
Certainly look like first models

>>97451587
No, but anyone who thinks layer lines like in that pic are acceptable clearly doesn't give a rat's ass about how their minis look, and anyone who doesn't give a rat's ass about how their minis look isn't going to put any effort into the paintjob.

>>97449675
I didn't make any claim about sales in the first place. That was you.

>>97451439
Sure showed GW. I bet they're fuming.

>>97451587
>>97451675
>your hobbling wrong
post your minis

>>97451756
You should be hobbled that's for sure.

>>97451630
mhm, good shout, though I think the pose would be a bit weird for gnashtoofs. They have full on claws, while the pic is held very hoof-like

>>97450251
This

>>97451804

Yeah, that's what throws me off. I've taken a close look at both my death riders and my killaboss on gnashtoof and this rumor image looks like a cross between both. It's got the sort of semi-claw, semi-hoof look of the death rider horses, but the hair on the leg is very gnashtoof like, though gnashtoofs have a more dog-like paw. Weird little model. Interested to see what it ends up being. Maybe it's some sort of hunting beast for the new ogors. They're supposedly getting a new hunter-themed ranged unit to replace leadbelchers.

>>97451756
Not either of those anons, but there's a difference between shitting on someone for their creative choices(gay retards do this) and shitting on someone for their mistakes. Pointing out mistake is grounded in constructive feedback whether it's delivered in a constructive manner is a different story, but it comes from a well meaning place. If they were shitting on his colour choices, or his style then I'd agree, that would be bad and gay, and I'd be right there with you. But pointing out layer lines is no different than pointing out mouldlines. It's not a stylistic choice, it's laziness. I'm not making fun of the style of jeans you are wearing, I am making fun of the fact that they are filthy and unwashed.

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>>97450757
>sidenote but wow is the stormcast naming scheme ass. Knight-something-or /ant
fun party game : try to connect the stormcast hero to their name!

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So for how long Beastmen will remain playable? I have a small army of Bullgors, Cygors and Ghorgons and I want to give them a ride before their rules are gone for good.

>>97452108
also worth mentioning that half of these have refreshed versions, or are themselves refreshes. There's also a couple mounted/unmounted versions left out. The true list is like twice as big (and even that is without weird limited edition stuff like the knight-zephyros or errant questor)

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>>97452108
Lord-Castellant, my beloved...

>>97452128
Until the next edition at least, it seems like Beastmen are getting transferred over to the 4 deities.

>>97450186
Where’s the brown fat dwarf lesbian from the KO book cover. I vote her. I wonder if we could accuse GW of homophobia for not including an LGBT candidate or a black candidate.

>>97452128
>I have a small army of Bullgors, Cygors and Ghorgons
congratulations you have a STD army of ogroids, fomoroids and slaughterbrutes

>>97452108
I think I'm too deep in this shit to know the name despite not caring in the slightest about stormcasts

>>97452128
There's some rumblings, no idea how accurate, that non specific beastmen may make a comeback as part of the Slave to Darkness in the future.

>>97452152
>black candidate.

Honestly if he were in the lineup I'd probably vote for Bastian Carthalos. I like him.

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>>97452193
Bastian was used for the placeholder.

>>97452212
It's not hard to tell why it would do poorly

>>97452108
Excuse my tism
1 Knight Judicator
2 Knight Questor
3 Lord Ordinator
4 Lord Veritant (not on the list, Terminos is on there twice)
5 Knight Relictor
6 Lord Relictor
7 Knight Incantor
8 Lord Vigilant
9 Knight Azyros
10 Knight Vexilor
11 Lord Castellant
12 Lord Aquilor
13 Knigth Venator
14 Lord Arcanum
15 Lord Exorcist
16 Lord Imperatant
17 Knight Heraldor
18 Lord Terminos
19 Lord Celestant
20 Knight Arcanum

>>97451675
Hmm good point
>>97451756
Lmao this bitch thinks it's 2021

>>97452108
How'd I do? I think you also messed up the list.

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>>97452287
>pic

>>97452212
This model is super nice and one of the few examples of good, simple stormcast heroes, and the only thing anyone will use to say otherwise is
>u-uhhhh b-b-black!

>>97451770
Anon walks like that after he takes a good ass fucking (which is daily)

>>97452212
That works
Why do they want to change it?
> Ib4 le niggerman
For one thing GW wouldn't care and for a second, who complains about Bastion? He is probably one of the most popular Stormcast characters

>>97452128
Forever. Legends are fully playable provided you have friends or the social ability to ask a pickup game opponent a question

>>97452128
Rebase them and use them for TOW, they are both strong and very fluffy with their rules there.

>>97452308
>Why do they want to change it?
They might have figured that a poll would help get the book on more people's radar.

Can Skaven/Hellsmiths become daemon princes to their respective Gods?

>>97452308
I think Ionus would be better from the sole reason that the dragon riding is a true break away from just being Fantasy Marines and a better representation of AoS as a result.

>>97452163
A lot of people around here need to listen to this man.

>>97452337
Mortals can become verminlords if the GHR thinks they're cool enough. Skreech Verminking was formed from a whole Council of Thirteen. No idea about Helsmiths, but my guess would be that Hashut could turns his dudes into daemons if he felt like it, though that'd fly in the face of the Helsmiths' proclivity for capturing daemons and rendering them into fuel.

I think the closest we’ll see a dwarf turn into a demon prince or some equivalent is with gotrek

>>97452337
skaven? yes
helsmiths? no

>>97452324
It might honestly be this

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In case you were curious how The Trials of Albarak ended, you can find out now. If you don't know about Albarak and his trials, by all means, enjoy some duardin cinema.

https://imgur.com/a/K7CscaN

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>>97452337
I think you jsut skip to being a Verminlord rather than a Rat Prince

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>>97447927
>I'd argue gaming activity is also a good metric for a game's health and, at least anecdotally, I tend to see more AOS games at my FLGS than I do TOW.
DESU not a great argument, TOW had 3 tournaments at Adepticon last year, but now both it and AoS have 8 this year, so by that logic both games are around the same size.

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>>97452308
>Why do they want to change it?
Not expensive enough

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>>97452253
>>97452287
Full marks! I'd like to say I put in the lord terminos twice to see if anyone would catch it but no I just fucked up that part lel.

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>>97452294
I don't like how he's holding the hammer or how his cape overhangs so much

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>>97452600
>but now both it and AoS have 8 this year
That is kind of worrying. If that's what Cathay can do imagine the potential outcome of actually desired factions like WoC and Kislev.

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>>97452714
I think I’ve seen better leaps of logic from ai than whatever you’re statement is

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>>97452744
You think Cathay is going to be more popular than WoC/StD or Kislev when they get refreshed./released? Maybe in Asia.

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>>97452770
And those were his trials.

>>97452786
thank you very much for sharing, anon.

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>>97449699
Good models, but the second warcry dropped and they did first rotation of cards everyone in my area switched to warcry. I haven't seen everyone mention underworlds at the lgs in years unless they're using the models for aos or warcry

>>97452600
>>97452714
I'm on adepticon's event schedule and tow has 8 tourneys/events, aos seems to have like 15 + a spearhead one and some warcry stuff. Then again I'm technologically illiterate so maybe I'm interpreting things wrong here.
The really impressive part is mordheim though, they've got like 4 or 5 events planned plus a whole bunch of demo games. We should all aspire to be like mordheim players.
Sidenote but how's the actual game? I feel like /gwsg/ is going to be a bit biased if I ask there.

>>97452898
>We should all aspire to be like mordheim players
Maybe if my shower breaks

>>97452786
Pure slop

>>97452786
Thanks anon. So just skimming through everything real quick, grombrindal is actually not just one dwarf but kind of like some divine title that gets passed on when another worthy one is found? Is this ...new? Seems like a pretty big revelation. I'm a complete lorelet when it comes to everything dwarf.

>>97452786
Pure kino.

>>97452898
>Sidenote but how's the actual game? I feel like /gwsg/ is going to be a bit biased if I ask there.
It's incredible but mostly because the community is incredible. You can absolutely abuse the game rules. But the community is tight knit so people don't do that to avoid being shunned from the group. It's GOATed for actual enjoyment and also average level of player effort put in. Also the Mordheim setting is very interesting imo.

>>97452527
I’m not usually a fan of dwarf stuff but I guess I could give this a read.

>>97452973
It got covered a bit in Chronicles of the Wanderer. The short of it is that Grombrindal is more of a living archetype than an individual.

>>97453071
That’s cool

>>97453071
Neat. I wonder how that relates to the dwarf god thing where the divy up the realms as revealed from the hashut backstory.

>>97452664
Luv me paladins. Been collecting them since 2e, had to dig for the Ordinator. Good riddance, ugly ass ballista.

>>97452664
Cool, I don't play them. But I probably would if they were a bit less tactically intensive. It's a fun little irony that the premier starter faction is actually kind of hard to play.

>>97453424
I like paladins too, and their defacto annihilator refresh. They might just literally be stormcast terminators but they do it well. I feel like they also did the art defo thing better than regulsr fatcast.

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Armies for this feel

>>97453685
Fyreslayers.

>>97453685
Ogor mawtribes in about 5 months

>>97452839
It is a shame because after harrowdeep Underworlds became really good.

>>97447862
Who cares? AoS is highly unlikely to be outright die so genuinely who cares about this console wars faggotry.

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>>97447862
Ain't spain the place that loves warzone more than like anywhere else in the world?
you know THAT warzone the one that died, twice and once in the 90s?

>>97449717
Null khemist seems pretty specificly for when you need anti magic options. I do see some people take the endrin dock, it's definetly one of the more useful pieces of faction terrain.
>>97449793
If your not actually using the boats as transport since you've got a bunch of dudes with fly, master the paths and scouting force seem like good options

>>97452839
I’m upset I can’t just walk into a LGS and buy this off the shelf. I know its greedy but I want more skellies GW….

>>97454028
>tourist flying over Sentinel island.jpg

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>>97452212
the only good one, ironically because they gave him a big beard and couldn't fuck up his face like every other character.

>>97451439
ignore the haters, the print lines actually give him a cool tv static effect, looks good anon.

>>97450412
his book was terrible, he doesn't deserve to be on more covers.

>>97454236
That's a reddit filename, he's just shitstirring

>>97454028
>rolling balls of lava into lavamen
>laying supine in lava and making lava angels
>throwing lava at each other in a lavaball fight
Very good. AoS needs more of this.

Let’s say 5 years down the line the worst case scenario happens and AoS is squatted into a Spearhead type side game. What would you play as your new main game in that case?