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>Previously
>>97442018

>TQ
What would you like to see in Secrets of Strixhaven?
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Thread Question
Busty Kasmina and Liliana
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>>97454254
>TQ
I don't want Lessons or Learn, they're already ruining Standard just with the cards from Avatar.
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>>97454280
Loot is watching
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What this says about our game, fellow Magic players?
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>>97454282
I honestly don't think Izzet Lessons really works with Learn considering it wants to draw all the lessons and start using them as soon as possible. Putting them in the sideboard and then drawing them with the Learn cards sounds like an extra layer of effort that will if anything slow it down.
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>>97454280
Will they make a functional reprint of Mentor's Guidance that just replaces Shaman with Sorceror?
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>>97454280
So normal Liliana is desparked so she'll just be a Legendary Creature, right? But it seems like we'll be getting a White Liliana that will probably be a Planeswalker.
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>Lorwyn just out
>We already know TMNT, Strixhaven AND Marvel cards
I'm so tired boss...
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>>97454291
Eh. It's not like anyone cared about the card and "spellcaster batch tribal" isn't the most exciting of concepts.
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>>97454299
We don't know if White Lili is also desparked or not. Could be some other shit, for all we know.
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This dumbass Alchemy card is the most Hearthstone-y design they've made.
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>>97454254
surprise surprise a new white is a blue card in disguise
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>>97454317
nah that's this
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>>97454317
I mean it's essentially just Yogg-Saron, so yeah.
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>>97454303
need to shake out the fake whales that're screwing with real whale market control
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>>97454287
Who is that guy in red behind Beast?
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>wow, anon, i thought you were a real collector, but you only have one out of three of this IP's secret lairs, one out of four of its scene boxes, no fracture foils and you don't even have the enterprise dungeon tokens
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>>97454362
I genuinely can't tell. Not immediately familiar and the outfit doesn't have any real standout design features.
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>>97454362
I think it's Shang-Chi.
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how long, realistically speaking, before they reset the game with a thinly-veiled format change

surely this can't continue. do they really want legacy tournaments being nothing but random IP slop?
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>>97454422
Who the fuck gives a shit about Legacy?
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>>97454422
In this new Magic version you dream about anon... Can I have purple finally?
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>>97454422
Why would they care? They get to sell cards that even people playing timeless formats have to buy, that's their intent.
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>>97454395
Oh yeah it probably is. Skin tone kinda threw me but I guess it's just lighting.
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>TQ
more magecraft cards like this guy
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>>97454451
If this motherfucker isnt a Monk i'm going to shit bricks
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>>97454422
>surely this can't continue.
this train has no breaks, anon
either they "succeed" (every set is literally the same cards with a different piece of media painted over them, it always sells well, and they get all kinds of deals) or it crashes and burns while the execs cash out
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>>97454465
Human Monk Hero probably.
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>TQ

At least 1 monk.
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>>97454422
friendly reminder you all made this possible... and you will miss this shit schedule in 2027, trust me.
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shareholdersisters...
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>>97454317
It lacks the weird half-rules half-flavor text like that card that says "His wife is missing! He last saw her randomly shuffled into your deck!"
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>>97454473
My greatest hope for Reality Fracture is that Jace fucking dies
My greatest fear for Reality Fracture is that Jace fucking dies and all the art and flavor text treats it as something tragic
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>>97454422
Anon, they don't care about anything that isn't Commander.
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>>97454473
Wow, a completely empty calendar until October. What a bold move by Wizards.
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>>97454473
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>>97454601
>have a normal schedule
>shareholders bitch about not making enough money
>have a fast schedule
>shareholders bitch about making too much money
is there any way to win around these fags
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>>97454680
The next logical step to please everyone is keep the same ridiculous 6-7 sets a year release schedule, but make them all limited print runs.
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>>97454680
>making too much money
But they're not making money. You can read "overprinting" like "oversaturating"
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>>97454705
>Gacha boosters AND artificial FOMO
Oh yeah, this is the next evolution.
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if you can tell me how flood the market could be a good tactic specially when your real customer player base already has the biggest case of product fatigue ever seen... Hasbro is squeezing magic for all is worth but that doesnt mean is a succesful and well done business practice.
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>>97454626
Most HS cards don't do that. Instead they just have actual rules text in parentheses, which is stupid.
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>>97454254
>What would you like to see in Secrets of Strixhaven?
Quintorius with a human boyfriend
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play

premodern
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>>97454855
too poor
im playing pauper
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>>97454254
>What would you like to see in Secrets of Strixhaven?
I'd like to see the founder dragons actually do something in the story. They might as well be dead for all the presence they have on the plane - they do nothing so they won't be missed.
I mean what, they ignored the demon avatar and the phyrexian invasion was just the school and the professors.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KZ7LmXnbSA
new aids just dropped
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>turn 4 reanimate 30 power, wrath your board and kill you
>turn 4 play omniscience, combo off and pay my entire deck for free to kill you
>turn 4 craterhoof behemoth with 8 creatures on the battlefield to kill you
who the fuck finds this shit fun
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>>97454913
omni combo is fucking dead m8. there are too moving pieces for it to be reliable now.
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>>97454254
>What would you like to see in Secrets of Strixhaven?
Harry Potter licensed tie in cards.
It'd never happen but the meltdown would be so delightful. They'd finally get me to use some UB cards.
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>>97454926
>ub bad unless it's an IP i like!
you're just as much of a piggie as the rest.
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>>97454924
Fine, then sub that one out for
>turn 4 loop my appa and aang for free endlessly, creating infinite creatures and kill you
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>>97454913
standard is just 2018 legacy without duals now, get with the times grandpa
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>>97454926
As much as trannies hate Rowling, they still lap up Harry Potter trash.
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>>97454913
The Play Design team and its consequences have been a disaster for the Standard format.
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>>97454286
Reality Fracture Loot is the Lord of the Tit, though so...
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>>97454933
:)

>>97454939
But they'll cry about it all the way. Imagine all the mainstream news articles about the righteous empowered "women" boycotting the evil brand! I love to watch Hasbro get raked in the press.
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>>97454601
>>97454680
Anon this is just the shareholders applying pressure (again) to try to spin WotC away from Hasbro.
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>>97454955
I mean can people really blame them? Hasbro is basically just a gigantic money burning pit right now, isn't it?
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>>97454926
Keep an eye on Secret Lair around when Strixhaven 2 comes out then
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I still go through my old binders of cards that aren't really worth selling, and I can't believe how far we've fallen. UW UB, it doesn't even matter when the art has become bland homogenized crap all around. The old stuff had so much more soul, something that nobody can bring back.
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I fucking love pauper
I just wish the time control on MTGO was longer than 25 minutes
Sincerely, Tron player.
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>>97454967
The world is changed. I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air. Much that once was is lost.
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>>97454254
>TQ
Rest of the Lorwyn creature tribe cycle/mechanic color cycle.
Another Escape titan not powercrept keep it fun.
Harvard Potter Hagworts' School for Kids Who Can't Read Good lose its DEI funding. More white kids and I don't mean black creatures on white cards.
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>>97455141
Saw people at 30 don't know if that was a specific tourney but pauper youtube channel had league of that.
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>>97455255
leagues on mtgo are 25 minutes which is not ideal when game 1 can take 16 to 18 of those minutes.
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>>97454967
>>97455150
nostalgia fags are the worst fucking posters
just die already you fucking boomers
no one fucking asked
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>>97454465
Isn't he a warrior?
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>>97455150
This island isnt even good btw your taste is bad and your an old npc.
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>>97454812
Lorehold will help turn Quintorius's mistakes into miracles.
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Why did they pick Island instead of Ocean anyway? Most Island cards don't even show an actual Island.
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>>97455384
What am I looking at.
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>>97454913
Kikes that hate White. Notice how everyone complains every year about nonwhite cards but never does anything to protest against JOTC kikes and their hate.
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>>97455401
Mistakes into miracles :)
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>>97455459
truthnuke
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>>97455353
>Nostalgia fa-
>AAAHHH AAAAAHHHHHHHHH MY ARMS
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>>97455586
Based arm liberator.
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>>97454317
>expansion
They're called Sets, WotC.
Fucking retards I swear.
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>>97455395
because oceans are oceans, not lands
an island, by definition, is land
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>>97455690
Zoomer detected
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I ordered stuff for eight new decks weeks ago. 90% of it arrived within days. The rest is still missing. Now I'm sitting here with eight unfinished decks and deliberate if I just order the stuff again just to be done with it. This is goddamn awful.
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I ordered stuff for eight new decks weeks ago. 90% of it arrived within days. The rest is still missing. Now I'm sitting here with eight unfinished decks and deliberate if I just order the stuff again just to be done with it. This is goddamn awful.
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>>97454254
>TQ
I think the idea of the Tarkir Elders getting shooped away to Strixhaven/Arcavios is dumb but at least I'd get to see my nigga Slumgar.
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>>97455797
Yeah, that's what I said. Are you stupid or something?
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Yeah, that's what I said. Are you stupid or something?
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>>97455395
>Most Island cards don't even show an actual Island
Bold claim, over half you say? Quickly, everyone spam the thread with your favorite basic Islands featuring actual islands.
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>>97454913
By powercreeping the heck of the game wotc makes sure pay pigs continue consuming new stuff to keep their decks competitive.

Morons of the coast would lose all their designers if consumers had any resemblance of pride or good sense.
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>>97454254
>TQ
more pests tech.
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>>97455353
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>>97454335
Wow that is some incomprehensible text
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>>97454317
It makes me nostalgic for Apocalypse Chime so I like it.
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>>97455586
The flavor text is a Marvel tier quip but the fact that it's coming out of a fucked up zombie cyborg who looks like he should just be going "UHHRGH BRAINS" makes it actually funny
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>>97454422
Wizards is terrified of premodern because it shows that a format can be successful even if they aren't involved. Unlike EDH, they are unable to inject anything into premodern to ruin it. "But what about the inevitible premodern horizons set!"; if such a thing were to be printed, a format in which it's legal would no longer be premodern. Maro claims that there's not enough demand for a format that excludes UB yet is unable to prove any of the numbers that he talks about.

Legacy is screwed anyway. Every successful non-combo deck, and even then a few combo ones, plays all new creatures with mostly old spells. People then whine about the old spells being too powerful when the issue is the threats they're backing (see Entomb ban), so they ban the old cards and keep printing new broken creatures. Eternal formats were more fun when decks existed by coincidence - Oops all spells is a great example of this - and cards were run because they did something very specific that no other card could do.

The game, and the format, used to take skill. Now you just bash your face on the keyboard and hope Tamiyo or one of your other broken snowballing threats gets you there.
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>>97454280
At least, Kasmina has a bust.

Wrenn is a flatie.
https://scryfall.com/search?q=wrenn&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
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When will there be a monogreen angel? A true angel; no shapeshifter or changeling shenanigans.
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>>97456566
Less than a tenth of angels are monocolor that exclude white, and only only 8 exist that also exclude black. There's four artifacts, one blue illusion, and three red ones that are dragons in all but name. If they didn't do it already with Sigarda across four cards, I don't see them doing it ever.
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Mtg is doing a marvel superheroes set? WHY?!?
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>>97456606
Because they hate you, anon.
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>>97456420
ez for burn
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>>97456606
>>97456627
someone must truly hate me for that to happen
https://scryfall.com/card/msc/2/mister-fantastic
oh god, why have you forsaken me?!?
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>>97456566
Either UB set or some buddhist set.
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>>97454601
That's a pretty old news, desu. But two years ago it was like one small shareholder and nowadays more of them noticed the stink?
Tl;dr is that it's not about number of designed sets or anything like that per say but number of physically printed cards. Apparently WoTC has entire warehouses of shit that they cannot sell, Literal walls of waste paper.
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>>97456606
Because line must go UP.
I can't wait to see a faggot doing a deck with Simone and this abomination lmao.
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>>97456707
Reed Richards and mtg don't gel
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>>97456707
>>>97454601
>Vigilance, reach for mono blue casting cost
>4 color ability to make it a 5 color slop commander
I expected nothing and I'm still dissapointed.
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>>97456855
I'm a retard, it's 4 color commander slop. Still fucking awful. I hope the marvel set flops as hard as She Hulk, The Marvels, The Eternals et al.
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>>97456818
Who? Are these actually Marvel Comics characters?
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>>97456818
Why do I keep seeing this posted? Is it cuz it's an actually good card but it's fucking hideous looking?
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>>97456858
>4 color commander
Well he is from the FANTASTIC FOUR
Where's SUE?
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>>97456890
>it's an actually good card
no, it isn't.
It's an over-stuffed card
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>the thread will be polluted by turtles and superhero shit for several months
>then sci-fi garbage will replace it
we are fucking cooked
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>They're making Chandra an Indian now
Oh I hope that lawsuit fucking wrecks WotC.
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>zero impact on any format
Lorwyn sissies?
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>>97457027
TMNT isn't looking much better. Tokka & Razhar are a decent sideboard card and....well, that's about it.
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>>97457024
Kaladesh was already India
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>>97457027
>>97457071
And that's a good thing. Standard has been powercreeped enough as is.
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>>97454422
Last chance was historic but wotc pumped it full of outside of format cards.

>>97454441
The six mana is colorless and the symbol is the anus
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You know, it's genuinely baffling how I can look at a modern Magic card, that's a fucking 1-drop, and think to myself
"This is not just a YuGiOh card, this is an entire YuGiOh archetype printed on one creature. It does all the setup and payoff by itself and that payoff wins the game. At-least in YuGiOh the boss monster will usually ask you to do something with other cards to summon it."
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>>97454855
Too white
I'm playing cube
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>>97457101
fine in a format without brainstorm and where decks run low mana removal
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>>97454871
>too poor
the less money you spend on cards the richer you are
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>>97457087
Oh, I'm not complaining. There were a few anons who were saying how pushed it was and man are they ever wrong. Constant spoiler season has cooked what little card evaluation skills people had.
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>>97457101
It's because Commander is singleton, anon. This encourages designs that "do everything" in one card. This has been going on for a few years. Pic related ramps, draws cards, stabilizes the board and is a threat that ends the game, all in one card. Fable of the Mirror Breaker ramps, smooths your hand and is a threat, all in one card. Bankbuster, draws cards, ramps and is a threat, all in one card. As you can see these designs can be highly problematic in 1v1 60-card Magic. Not that they seem to care.
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>>97457101
I want baby PWs in Standard.
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>>97454254
>What would you like to see in Secrets of Strixhaven?
These five.
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>>97455785
what's the fucking point of ordering cards from the internet
it's a tcg
trading is supposed to be the whole point
we all agreed short-circuiting the central loop was a bad idea when Diablo 3 auction house did it, didn't we?
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>>97457217
Enjoy your worthless bulk and retards trying to get one over you while haggling.
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>>97456606
Commander is the end of Magic. No other TCG can compete with commander's popularity, and commanderfags have already proven they will accept whatever slop WotC injects into the game. Every decision WotC makes about the game is to appease commander players, and it is ALWAYS to the detriment of non-commander formats. Some busted ass shit that was designed around there being 4+ players? Its now rotated Legacy (again). Unsets being made black-bordered? They need to be so I can run my heckin attractions deck in my pod. 50% of the rares in a Standard set being build-around Legends that suck complete cock outside of commander? Commander. LD/MLD/Mana denial no longer viable strategies? Commander players find them unfun. UB is also because of Commander, when WotC realized they could ride the EDH gravytrain and turn every popular character from any IP into a commander.
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>>97457288
The rise of commander was also the death of mono white.
Coincidence? I think not
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The Hobbit is gonna be SOULFUL and save magic
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>can't redirect Ugin's bullshit exile to himself
big sad
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>TMNT looks kino
>Strixhaven looks kino
>Marvel looks ok
>Star Trek looks kino
Seems like a good year for us, my fellow duelists
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>>97457393
That role is for /ourguy/ Jean Luc Picard, captain of the Enterprise, anon. He and the Stark Trek set will make your shitty game relevant again and save Magic for us all!
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>>97457389
this post is anti-semitic
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>>97457426
Why?
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>>97457421
>TMNT looks kino
>Kino
I want to ask the piggies to leave Magic...
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>>97457389
Well actually, mono red and mono white have the only commanders in top 20. Though of course Kenrith is not real mono white.
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>>97457421
Please anon, kill yourself
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>>97457421
Do not kill yourself. It's a sin unto Lord.
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>>97457421
Kill yourself, so we don't have to deal with you in heaven
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>>97457288
>>97454422
>>97454967

If you guys hate modern mtg cards so much why don't y'all play Premodern?

You are not the kind of guy who complains just for the sake of complaining, right ?
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What colors do you think I play?
What colors do you play, anon?
What are your FAVORITE colors to play?
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>>97457288
MLD as you're asking for was already all but gone by 8ED, several years before the format would be acknowledged as Commander in 2011. Largely because as much as pseudointellectuals will wax poetic about how resource denial is a pillar of the game, very few people actually found it fun in any format (this is also why Mind Twist is never ever getting unbanned). Stone Rain appeared in a large volume of core sets and standard rotations but generally it wasn't easy to overcome someone's manabase entirely. Ironically you could actually argue it has been powercrept with cards like Price of Freedom and Cleansing Wildfire because manabases have been allowed to get so comically greedy in all formats that they quickly become 2-mana Stone Rain that cantrips, making them powercreep even Sinkhole, which never saw type 2/standard printings past ABU because it was considered too good at suppressing lands.
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>>97455797
How old is this image now?
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>>97457421
Porcine hooves typed this post.
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>>97457548
The most gay colors: Green and White
The most broken colors: Blue and Red
The most interesting colors: Blue and Black
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>>97454291

WotC insisting the word "shaman" is racist now is the deepest level of retardation they have sunk to and I'm excited to see how they're going to outdo themselves in the future.
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>>97457579
>Gay
>green white
Kek
>broken
>blue red
My favorite flavor of blue red to play against was Giants.
>Interesting
>blue black
I used to hate on that color combination, but you're right, the depth of what black and blue can do together is actually pretty interesting.
>pic related
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>NOOO YOU CANT BE OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THIS SHITTY GAME I KEEP PLAYING AND POSTING ABOUT NOOOOPO AAAAAAAAA
Suck my cock
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>>97457704
>Optimistic
Yep full optimism, have a Pizza.
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>>97457714
>broccoli instead of spinach
this nasty mother fucker over here
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>>97457755
Anon...
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What if a wheelchair vehicle card that ramps?
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What if a ramp card that wheels?
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>>97457602
I'd say that refusing to give Raphael his iconic sais because "Japanese colonizers did a cultural appropriation from Okinawa" is dumber. I'm surprised Viacom allowed that.
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>>97457875
>>97457835
Something like this. Aether drift was the cripple set apparently.
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>>97457790
>Anon...
>TMNT
Broccoli on pizza is a modern flavor pairing
the turtles would not have consumed it in the sewers
Reject modernity
embrace tradition
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someone nuke new york (the magic the gathering plane)
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>>97457997
Anon it's a forest.
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>>97457714
What is the plains supposed to be? Forest is broccoli, mountain is a pepperoni, swamp is a mushroom, island's an onion, but I cannot begin to describe what the plains is supposed to depict.
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>>97458129
banana+garlic which sounds fucking nasty
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>>97457132
No one said this here.
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>>97458070
Yes, thank you captain obvious, you can easily use spinach in place of broccoli for the forest symbol.
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>>97458165
No.
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>>97458138
The degenerate who came up with that idea should frankly be jailed. Also it does not come across well visually at all.
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>>97458185
This nigga has no inner monologue
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>>97458186
It's not a MtG thing, it's a TMNT thing. They have wacky pizza toppings.
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>>97458196
>banana+anchovies
even worse
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>>97458196
>Sausage+Jelly beans
>Pepperoni+Marshmallow
>Anchovy sauce+Strawberry
WTF? What are these cartoons teaching to children?
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>>97458215
>>97458222
For me its the tuna, peanut butter and grape jelly, someone must lose his job for this.
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>>97457714
I simply do not buy UB :)
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>>97458222
Those episode titles are from the 1980s TMNT cartoon. Those kids probably voted in the 1996 or 2000 presidential elections.

In all seriousness they were probably trying to go for a minor gross out joke using odd food combinations that kids would have tried. Almost every combination is a child food staple (oatmeal, peanut butter, pepperoni, toast) with a traditionally "gross" food (avocado, clams, anchovies, licorice, garlic, sardines, tuna) or is mixing desert toppings with salty/savory food ingredients.
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>>97457579
>The most broken colors: Blue and Red
Preach
https://moxfield.com/decks/4bzfh_7VhU2geGE2uZDCwg
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>>97458339
They should make pauper good again by banning every card that says artifact token, monarch or initiative on it.
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>>97455353
You'll never be an employee at Wizards of the Coast (or a woman)
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>>97458222
ninja turtles eat wacky shit? I mean they're turtles, they can enjoy marshmallow with pickles.
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>>97456548
I m not sure if she is a tranny or a old woman.
>>97456606
too lewed for mtg, sorry anon. You get flat Emma
>>97457024
I blame cultural consultants. But the sad thing is that while they are getting fired from other compannies wotc keeps them.
>>97457071
>TMNT isn't looking much better
maybe the common and uncommon slot delivers things for formats other than pioqueer.
>>97457169
Well, first time they were fine except for jace.
>>97457211
Sorry anon. Maybe in the Jace set they show up as full commander bait legendaries.
(more than their first cards)
>>97458196
I hate candy on pizza.
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>>97457954
You disrespect my bro Daretti. But Aetherdrift did too.
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>>97454280
>waifus in UW
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Can you remember a single "influencer" whose commentary was positive about the Spider-Man set? I have tried to search my memory but cannot recall a single person who had anything good to say about the set
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Why the fuck didn't they reprint Spellstutter Sprite?
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>>97458600
>Can you remember a single "influencer" whose commentary was positive about the Spider-Man set?
is it cheating if I say pic related? because he's literally the only one I can think of
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>>97457211
Why would they show up there?
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>>97458623
That guy looks like he has had at least 3 sexually transmitted diseases.
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>>97458636
Because anon wants them there no matter how little sense it makes. Just like how anons were bitching about there being no Monk support... in Lorwyn.
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>>97458623
his meltdown on stream was glorious.
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>>97458646
Which video?
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>>97458623
I think it is cheating, Crim's main shtick is liking stuff people hate
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>>97458636
Because the only reason anons hate UB is that those are someone else's memberberries.
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>>97458656
podcast where they talked about spoderman and the commander slop discussion. he went on a 15 min rant, then his two co-hosts starting shitting on the set and he simply disappears for 45 min. afterwards he quit mtggoldfish podcasts for 2-3 episodes claiming to be sick when everybody knew he was beyond salty that his favorite ip got shit on by everyone. the comments on the youtube video were so against him that they refused to comment on them.
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>count out the deck I just built in piles of 10
>seven and a half piles
>look in the deck box
>sideboard's in the box
>turn the cards face up and compare against the deck list
>they match
>count the deck again
>60
Do I have brain damage? Is this just a normal side effect of playing premodern?
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>>97458673
He's so contrarian that he would fit in perfectly here.
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>>97458622
Starting with Mirrodin and ending with Faeries they have completely avoided giving a keyword or tribe so much power that a dominant deck can be attributed to that keyword or tribe. They won't let the retarded community use something like Faeries or Affinity as examples to blame for Wizards' incompetence. It's far less insulting to stupid players if they can view Oko or Vivi as outliers even if in any case it's still Wizards' incompetence.

It's not Earthbend that's a problem it's Badgermole Cub. Nobody's blaming Earthbend as an issue. Spellstutter is simply one step closer to being able to blame Faeries for being a problem and they won't have that. There's only one good Faerie.
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>>97454254
>TQ
>Look up Witherbloom Commander deck
>Description: Create pests and strategically sacrifice them to gain life, draw cards, and drain your opponent before they can react.
God I really hope Blex is in the main set and they don't make him a commanderslop understudy like they did for the only legendary Eumidian.
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God I hope Codie the Codex gets a new card
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>>97458763
They couldn't have slipped it into the commander set or on a special guest bonus sheet or something?
Why the fuck do I have to spend $4 USD for this common?
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break the reserved list and reprint every card till blacklotus cost 50cents!!!!
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Is it literally ever worth opening packs? I'm getting back into paper and grabbed most of the singles I need for a standard deck, but I had a hiccup where the guy at the shop with the most cards in his trade binder would not sell me cards. He said he only trades "because of inflation and the cards hold their value." Without going into why he's a dumbass for thinking that the cheap standard staples I was after are going to appreciate, rather than depreciate when they rotate, it got me thinking about getting a box or two for the purposes of having a trade binder for just such autists at the card shop.

I'm thinking about buying a box of lorwyn and a box of EOE since I need shocks of all colors anyway and they have some other decent cards in there to possibly pull. It seems like I could get decent value from trading for cards I need for decks rather than paying shop/online prices for singles plus tax plus shipping etc. Am I an idiot for thinking like this or?
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>>97458898
unless you are getting insane deals from this guy there's no way it's worth it
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>>97458898
only as a store and even then you should be streaming your openings for additional streaming revenue and some patron scam.
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>>97458898
When I'm in a collecting mood I will open one box to get started, then buy singles to round it out
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>>97458848
>Why the fuck do I have to spend $4 USD for this common?
I understand stores demand you use real cards and for good reason as they need the sales to stay open. But you should simply stop playing whatever format demands you use real cards. The stores do all the work and do not deserve to be punished for Wizards' retardation. But punishing the stores with low attendance is the only way Wizards is going to pay attention. And now that Wizards is tracking singles sales you have to fuck the store by not buying cards too.

The fact is Magic is becoming a place that is unaffordable and only played by people willing to pay. Even if you stop playing and the store closes this will ultimately be what happens. There's nobody under the age of 20 playing this game. Everything you see in Magic today only exists because of something 20 year olds built and supported 20 years ago and all that's left is the sad pieces of shit from that cohort who have no problem paying $4 for a Spellstutter.
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>>97458908
>>97458915
>>97458939
yeah I mean I can't deny that part of me just wants to crack a few packs even though I know that it's better just to buy cards
I legitimately have no cards though (other than the few singles I bought for building my standard deck)
I need lands, tokens, etc. although I guess even then it still sounds kinda stupid to buy a box and not even end up with enough full art lands or appropriate tokens for a deck
I'd also just really like to pull a riddler, but I'm sure that won't happen, and even if it did it would just make more sense to buy them
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>>97458981
At this point I am begging WOTC to make a Pauper Masters set. All reprints with the most expensive/powerful cards upshifted to rare/mythic, with probably one of the most fun draft environments around.
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>>97459001
Riddler is DC, not Marvel
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>>97459044
They don't have the balls to make the RG archetype ponza so it would suck
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>>97459001
>tokens
ew, you use the shitty printed out tokens?
draw your own like a real man
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>>97456893
game?
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>>97459116
There would have to be a certain amount of land destruction spells in the set to hate on tron and basilisk gate, but it probably would just be cleansing wildfire, though I could see thermokarst if the basic lands are snow and there's a skred reprint.
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>>97458156
TMNT, not Lorwyn you nonce.
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>>97458439
>They should make pauper good again by banning every card that says artifact token, monarch or initiative on it.
There is like one relevant initiative card and its not a huge deal.

The artifacts are kind of an issue
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>>97459260
>The artifacts are kind of an issue
Amen. I gave up on pauper because I got tired of having my anus inverted by artifact bullshit.
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>>97459284
The pauper organizer at my LGS traded his Wan Shi Tong to some guy for like a dozen of these and then went around redistributing them via sell/trade to the pauper players. I bought 3.
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>>97459058
the fact you know this, is a stark reminder to your father of, and i quote, "importance of pulling out".
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>>97459333
Is it?
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>>97459260
>There is like one relevant initiative card and its not a huge deal.
I only want it banned because it offends my sensibilities.
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>>97459372
What you dont have this memorized?
Do you guys not have phones?
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>>97458439
Just ban all Modern Horizons/EDH cards
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>>97459492
And Swiftie
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My buddies are trying to get me back into modern. I sold my collection years ago like a complete retard tho. Are there any non-shit budget decks that won't get absolutely steamrolled?
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>>97458636
>Why would they show up there?
I like them and unlike >>97458643 I believe wedge-colored Dragons would fit into an enemy-colored set.
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>>97459576
Modern has never been more affordable. You can get a modern deck for the same price as a standard deck
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>>97459655
>standard decks now approaching $1k
>this means modern is now "affordable" by comparison
yeah, I don't think that's how that works, champ
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>>97459655
>You can get a modern deck for the same price as a standard deck
Lmao. Top keks with that one, lad.
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>>97454287
Why mexican writes question like this?
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>>97456606
MaRo is jewish
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That's how much you people are paying for MTG? It's fucking cardboard.
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um guys...did you know....le cardboard?? heh heh heh bet you feel btfo now
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If that's how you feel why the fuck are you bitching about dropping a grand on cards in the first place?
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>>97458848
Bro why the fuck you worried about paying 16 bucks?>>97458898
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who the fuck is pog
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I just got back to playing this game after 20 years. When did they start releasing so many sets per year? This is crazy. They're going to run out of mechanics for a game involving 2 players with 20 life. Soon we'll have cards that can win at turn 1.
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>>97459970
>Soon we'll have cards that can win at turn 1.
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>>97458673
Sounds (and looks) exactly like Ian Miachaels Chong or whatever that Flip is named.
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>>97459576
Mono Red Hollow One or Mono Red Dredge, both are gimmick decks, you either do the thing or you lose, but I'm positive you can build either one for like 100 bucks or less
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>>97459532
Its already banned.
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>>97457024
>now
Anon what part of the world did you think the name "Chandra" comes from?
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>>97460177
Not him and you have a valid point.

But certainly they would not make her an obvious member of a country in the real world that in deference they have already retconed and entire plane's name because of cultural appropriation from that country. Surely they wouldn't just walk into another error of cultural appropriation a second time with that country. Surely their priorities of diversifying must pause such as to avoid cultural appropriating again right?

I can't wait until the day Greece calls for reparations for Theros.
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>TMNT looks fun
>NOO U FUCKIN PIG LOOK WHAT THEY DID TO THE LANDS THE INGRIDIENTS ARE WROOOOONG
>*evidence that horrible toppings in pizza was always a thing TMNT*
>*radio fucking silence*
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>>97459970
Mountain, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Seething Song. Dragonstorm. Four Bogardan Hellkites. I win.
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>>97460245
>I can't wait until the day Greece calls for reparations for Theros
If Greece starts calling for reparations for shitty representations of their myths then MtG is probably going to be safe for a few centuries or so.

Seriously, Greek mythology has been driven into the fucking core of the earth at this point.
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>>97460416
What about the other 2?
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>>97460420
Don't worry most of the gods died so wotc can start over next time.
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>>97460425
The other two were spoiled already, and discussed here in length, too.
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>>97460245
I don't think you understand the things you're complaining about
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>>97460401
I don't think anybody wants ugly pizza no matter how canon it is. The pizza lands are:
- actually pizza
- badly drawn
- stupid ingredients
- hands not even holding pizza naturally

That's simply four mistakes that "it's canon" simply cannot justify.
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>>97460416
>>97460435
>Arena getting better, more soul full, and cards that actually look like them belong to a good return to Setting set than paper magic
It is grim how much piggies suffer.
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>>97460462
>when you do thing do thing twice
>gonti but with haste and a mana dork
>conjure nonsense
fuck off alchemyfag
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>>97460434
I think only Heliod died. He'll probably get replaced by a God representing what the denizens of Theros think Elspeth is like, which will lead to an awkward moment when the real Elspeth shows up.
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>>97460435
I meant these two. Margret's art is a treasure. Seems that Magic is now in the nostalgia bait era with them hiring old artist. The artist to expensive to hire are instead regulated into a special 1 out 500 hundred alternate artwork deal to justify hiring.
Rebecca Guay
Mark Poole
Who's going to be the next 1 in 500 artist?
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>>97460471
>>when you do thing do thing twice
spirit avatar hinting to elder things inhabiting Lorwyn
-flavorful
>>gonti but with haste and a mana dork
Noggle doing Noggle things
-flavorful
>>conjure nonsense
Evoke+Wither, ETB reminiscent of old evoke elementals, only shit thing is it being an Incarnation (like the mythics in the main set)
Crocodile, centipile, elk elemental
-not that flavorful but a good "remember Lorwyn and Shadowmoor" card
>fuck off alchemyfag
If they did those in the main set without the slop of Alchemy Lorwyn set would be better.
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>>97460451
I guess they didnt want another NYC set. I agree pizzas are badly executed though
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>>97460515
damn, those two tarnished the praise I did to alchemy
>Aquatic Subtlety
Draw cards and give you a "dreams halls lite"(but only for blue creatures)... Wotc really knows how to make you member cards.
>giant and treefolk
shit commander card, even the art is shit and commander.
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>>97460401
Lands aren't pizza. Period.
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>>97460462
The art on Providence is great, but if you think the design is anything but pure unfettered Commander/Brawl slop you need t get help.
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>>97460602
It's an Arena shill, he's obviously Brazilian
>soul full
>them belong
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>>97460515
What a great art on that sorcery indeed.
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This was the last good alchemy card in a long while.
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>>97460660
Black hands
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I reinstalled Arena 3 weeks ago after a year or so. Lorwyn is ok, but FF and Avatar are way more fun, what the fuck?
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>>97460669
white people don't play arena
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>>97460719
I am white, and I do.
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>>97460710
Sorry anon, you might've been bitten by a werepig.
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>>97460754
Whatever you say, Gutierrez
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pauper
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>>97458196
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>>97460660
Why can't we have this on paper
like holy shit this would be so good
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>>97460509
It was hinted that all the monocolor gods got killed.
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>>97460669
To better represent Whiteschizo, alhamdumilliah.
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>>97460800
...is good.
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>>97460822
Some of these ones actually sound normalish, just kind of silly, like black olives with green olives. Ox burgers and yak cheese doesn't sound too bad. Mushroom & arrugola could be an actual order. Anchovy is straight up an actual topping, lox & cream cheese aren't common but I could see it being similar.
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>>97460840
They'll do anything to keep mono color down, huh?
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>>97460882
>>97460882
Maybe they'll all get replaced by new mono-colored Gods. Elspeth for White is a given, maybe the Demigods from Theros: Beyond Death like Tymaret or Anax will be deified as well.
Or more likely, only Heliod will remain dead, and the others will simply have gotten better thanks to their belief of their worshipers, but not Heliod because now everyone would rather worship Elspeth.
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Hows this for standard omni combo, faster than kona, maybe not as reliable but faster


4 splash portal
3 springleaf drum
4 bramble familiar
3 manifest dread
4 growing dread
4 airbender's reversal
4 airbender ascension
4 roiling dragonstorm
4 marang river regent
1 chandra, flameshaper
4 omniscience
4 hallowed fountain
4 temple garden
4 breeding pool
4 multiversal passage
4 starting town
1 island
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>>97460832
>White getting better niggerseize would be powerful
WOAH...
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Friendly reminder doesnt matter how much piggies, Cummander fags and UB enthusiasts try...TMNT will never ever be MTG.
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>>97460660
>>97460669
>>97460849
Honestly, if it means getting actual powerful white cards into Standard, i'd accept arabic hands cutting down infidel kikes
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>>97461107
Anyway I cast Gran-Gran. Response?
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>>97460925
Maybe Heliod will return into being a god of love.
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>>97461120
*Stand up, Shake hand, walk away without further interaction*
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>>97461107
Now Trek on the other hand..
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>>97461135
I accept your concession.
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>>97461207
Oink oink i suppose
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>>97458600
Patrick Sullivan was making excuses for the set. I'm not sure I'd call his perspective 'positive' but he's definitely a JotC apologist.
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What should I buy 50 packs of in Arena?
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>>97461315
cigarettes
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>>97461315
If you are gonna burn money give it to me...
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>>97461350
I just bought an oz of the finest kush

>>97461356
Get a job faggot
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>>97461221
Bro that's literally what you did. You saw Gran-Gran then conceded.
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Waterbending that Gran Gussy until she's tapped out
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Then the devil sang
Would you like to dance with me?
We're doing the COSMIC SLOP!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsIqDxssLYg
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>>97456606
parachute set
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I like some of the secret lairs but some look like shit. This fucking parachute strategy just seems like normal business shit. The absolute shit schedule of this year is probably the same. It’s fucking rubbish and definitely is tanking the mtg brand but can you really sue a company for being shortsighted retards? That would be nearly every company.
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>>97460515
>Margret's art is a treasure
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>>97460435
Unlike other Alchemy cards, I fail to see why this one couldn't be printed on paper.
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>>97460660
That anyone here thinks this piece of shit is a good card is a grave condemnation of /mtg/'s card evaluation abilities. Just play one game with this card and you will see why card disadvantage on a Thoughtseize is so, so bad.
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>>97462252

this is what happens when conglomocorp takes over.
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why in the fuck are there fuicking two threads up fuckers?
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>>97462252
I still don't get what the lawsuit is about
how is making more of your product "papering cracks"?
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>>97462534
Nobody thinks it's Thoughtseize level
It's just a cool design
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>>97462076
What do you mean by parachute set?
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Ice Age & Coldsnap block format set was the last time the card sets felt alive...
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>>97462670
>https://www.wargamer.com/magic-the-gathering/investor-lawsuit-cash-cow
It’s WoTC’s term. They called it project parachute and would rush out overpriced shitty sets. They did this because other products flopped and they needed to look good to shareholders.
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>>97462688
>hHasbro CEO Chris Cocks, former Wizards President Cynthia Williams, and Hasbro itself misled investors
Hasbro's CEO is Cocks? Ok then... Haha
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I just saw the TMNT basic lands. WTF? I rather just have a card with a mana symbol than pizza basic lands. Ugh.
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>>97462599
I assume it means they were making business decisions for WotC based on making up for financial issues for Hasbro, rather than based on the actual market conditions for MTG, and then misleading investors about their reasoning.
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>>97462688
aww hell yeah a new insult just dropped
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>>97462711
I read half the article posted above and I still don't see it
it basically says:
>we figured out how to legally print money
>sometimes we would get an order, "print me $80m", and we would print $80m
>this is somehow a problem
milking a cherished hobby like that is of course vile, but I thought that's what all the investors always want
and it doesn't matter why they needed the money
frankly it's strange that they only "parachute" when they need to, rather than all the time

>misleading investors about their reasoning.
that's the only thing that remotely sounds like a reason
but I still don't see why the investors are suing the company for making them too much money
I don't believe for one second that they worry about long-term health of the product
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>>97462732
Maybe it’s because they were investing in Hasbro as a whole. And outside of MtG they are failing hard. They might have been pretending everything was going okay when really they were facing serious issues. If they covered it with MtG card sales though I fail to see the problem. Unless they were actively lying and saying other divisions were doing well when they weren’t.
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>>97462732
>milking a cherished hobby like that is of course vile, but I thought that's what all the investors always want
They are looking for any excuse to split up Hasbro and Wotc.
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>>97462709
should have done pizza boxes or something with a "brand" symbol , slices looks like food tokens which they probably should have been.
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Who is TMNT set for? Who can believe that set is "well designed"?
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>>97462780
now that is a motivation I can believe
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>>97462784
>Food tokens
This, fuck me WoTC are stupid fucking cunts. I bet TMNT was another parachute set. Maybe all of the UB sets this year are. They raped the secondary market so there are basically no cards worth more than $100 except in legacy/vintage they’ve all been reprinted to hell and back.

I think the investors are pissed off because mtg is being killed. Other card games are rushing to fill the void left by retarded mismanagement. People have noticed how overpriced and rushed mtg sets are. Spiderman was a shit show and TMNT will be too.
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Came here to bitch and moan about the game because I play it and not for financial reasons, maybe only a small part is financial reasons, and then seeing other people bitching and moaning I want to defend all of a sudden. There was a whole thread saying black lotus is lame. No way, black lotus is super cool.

What sucks about Magic is when it gets frustrating as fuck to actually play. I've been playing for about 6 years and my skill level has always been the entire time no matter how much I practice and study is just barely not good enough. How much better I'd have to be to each mythic every season is a marginal tiny amount. And I can't win enough fucking gems to play for free. I took a month off from playing and am deeply hurting from not grinding my coins. Its seriously grind 4 times a week or don't play at all with this shit. I'm fucking fuming that I crafted Ouroboroid and Badgermole Cub and somehow that was a bad move and I didn't end up with a decent deck due to not having the simic lands. Fuck me for thinking Ouroboroid/Cub with different colors other than simic would be good enough (it's not). Who could ever make that mistake am I right?
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>>97462952
are you a faggot for writing this yourself or a faggot for reposting it from reddit?
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>>97462969
no because if this was reddit that would be the OP post. gaem is too getting too expensive after all these years. pay to win games should have some kind of spending cap like once you've spent $2000 it becomes free. imagine if any game had a $2000 price tag upfront.
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>>97462688
Secret lairs work in this strategy. Print alt arts of $10+ cards and sell directly to the market. Print to demand, where demand is the number of sells to make up other Hasbro losses
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>>97462670
>Hasbro: we're not satisfied with your numbers
>WotC: Say no mo, bro. We got a backup, Cocks.
>*click*
>WotC: okay boys, drop them Masters sky high!
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>>97463045
Magic only costs a lot (or anything really) if you are a dumbass who doesn't understand how to play the game.
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>>97463299
And how is that? Use proxies for everything?
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>>97463300
See? You are obsessed with product when you don't even know how to play a deck in the first place.
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>>97458898
>Is it literally ever worth opening packs?
Yes, to play limited
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>>97463315
what the fuck are you on about
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Why didn't they add separate mana cost for different effects on one card yet?
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>>97462952
Are you retarded? Mythic barely gets you anything resource-wise, just grind 4 wins a day and you can get enough to play 2 decks for free per set, and that's if you're not smart enough to win at drafting, which will net you even more value.
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>>97463914
I do believe that describes kicker.
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>>97463996
I think he means X and Y
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>>97464063
tournament legal printing of fireball
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>>97464123
yeah that's fair
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>>97462688
>Masters sets let them reprint cards people actually like and want
>this is lawsuit-worthy
I love capitalism I love shareholders I love every hobby getting kiked to death
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>>97464540
It's more a kit the nature of the printing. They KNOW you want certain cards, so they crack open the "break in case of emergency" box and sell them to you at inflated prices. The major problem here is they SPECIFICALLY did this to hide bad sales elsewhere and then go "dude what are you talking about we just COINCIDENTALLY sold this super desirable card no that shitty Spiderman set wasn't tanking the sales what are you talking about".
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Hehe...Jews...
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>>97464540
>release Spiderman during a quarter
>it sells like shit
>FUCK
>WOTC sells Ancient Tomb via SLD as a panic reaction
>money number goes up
>at the end of the quarter, they tell investors Spiderman sold well
That's the issue.
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>>97463607
parachute general
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I've beeing lurking these threads since the parallax tide ban on premodern and I can't tell if 80% of the cards posted here are troll edits or actually real, the absolute state.
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>>97462784
That will be the secret lairs or the fag collector itens (with tokens) they do each set.
>>97462793
It looks better than MCU shit
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>>97465048
That's the game though. It's like the time-tested classic "bait or mental retardation".
"Real card or shitpost"
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>>97464563
But... WotC said that all their cards are designed 2 years in advance so there's no possible time for them to change what's on the printers! Mark wouldn't lie to us... right?
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>>97465587
I would say 4 months tops from design finish to printing. No way it takes 8 quarters of time from finish to pre-release
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>>97457422
Wait till Picard is race swapped
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>>97457503
>If you guys hate modern mtg cards so much why don't y'all play Premodern?

Cause the interesting decks cost 4000 fucking dollars. I'm not going to play any format where I'm stuck playing burn forever because that's the only thing I can afford.

Also I fucking hate how premodern has caused speculators to buy up literally every old border card.
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These are the only spider man cards I encountered. Based on this, spiderman's art is better than through the omen paths. The future is UB because WOTC's art design is gay and retarded.
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>>97460401
Kill yourself if you think TMNT is """""""looks fun"""""""". It looks like AIDS.
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>>97466173
You look like AIDS.
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Have you ever thought about how fucked it is that this card isn't even playable in Standard?
>Walker that wins the game on ult
>Gives itself loyalty counters and protects itself
>4 mana
>This still isn't nearly enough for any format even when izzet prowess is the best deck
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>>97467257
No not really, that kind of thing hasn't been playable in years.
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>>97467257
sir what are you talking about?
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>>97458571
Daretti's current creature form is disgustingly powerful. Being able to cheat out Extinguisher Battleship on turn 4-5, survive the crash and crew it inmediately is disgusting.
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>>97467336
>turn 4-5
Sorry, I don't play slopmander
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>>97467257
It is a turn 3-4 format after all.
>>97467279
Well Sorin was playable during its standard
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>>97467438
This is so sad can we ban Splinter Twin for abruptly ending the game on turn 4 with no counterplay?
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>>97467257
>walker that wins the game on ult
>costs 4 mana
>requires 5 extra turns of uninterrupted +1 activations to reach ult
>ult doesn't even necessarily win you the game on the spot
it's slow as fuck, what do you expect?
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>>97468113
Commander brain
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Hi, is MTG still woke and turbo-gay?
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