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Vgh, so SOVLFVLL!

Holy shit when will you kill yourself and rid this board of your desperate attention-seeking?

>>97463290
Never

>>97463283
How did this affect your last game? Be detailed and specific.

>>97463283
Art isn't a traditional game, your thread is breaking the rules.

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>>97463283
Why not have eye candy for everyone? Why did they choose to remove it across the board rather then just make it equal-opportunity?

>>97463722
The people arguing for censoring art are puritans pretending to be progressives

>>97463722
it's safer in the eyes of corporate suits to have no sexy people than sexy women and sexy men

>>97463283
you can crop the dark queen out and I would still call that soul
it's really just the quality of training and effort to master the fundamentals which leads to the quality of the final product along with recognizable style

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>>97463871
Oh yeah, look at the QVALITY of the 1995 2nd ed handbook cover. That guy spent 20,000 hours to master drawing... whatever the fuck that hand is doing. Mastered the fundamentals.

>97463904
this is bait. do not engage this retard.

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>>97463283
It was soulful even without tits or ass.

>>97463924
That is the 1995 handbook cover, retard. I remember it pissing me off every time I played with my friends when I got it out.

>>97463722
>Why did they choose to remove it across the board
They didn't, retard. Men are still sexualized for the female gaze

>>97463939
Trash. Slop before we knew the term

>>97463991
But I'm bi and the men they depict are not hot like Conan is

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>>97463283
I assume this is made in bad faith, but if not, as a few others have pointed out, even without tits the art was just better

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>>97463939
>>97464046
There's still art like this these days they just work in better paying jobs than cheap rpg books.

>>97463407
Report it then.

>>97464005
>for the female gaze
Read, nigger. READ.
Conan is toxic masculinity. The most you're allowed is fujocoded twunks like Jace from MtG

>>97464005
Bi male or bi female?
'Sexualized men' tend to look very different depending on the sex they are appealing to, just like sexualized women.
A wonderful example of this irl is the push to stardom that the actress Zendaya has, because she is very attractive to women and gay men, not so much to straight men.

>>97464092
Zendaya's not attractive to anyone, women say she's attractive BECAUSE she's homely enough to not feel threatened by

>>97464092
People overrate her like crazy. She’s good looking, but not “simp over her” good looking.

>>97464089
Conan is a male for the male gaze. "He has such big pecs and abs and juicy muscular thighs" ok faggot.

>>97463283
Hey is that my man Raistlin? Looks like he's got himself into a scrape.

So are you just gonna keep making threads to bitch about attractive women existing in fiction?
>>97448349

>>97463283
>So, in fact, "soul" = "pervy"?
I don't think it's specifically that it's pervy, it's that it isn't as restrained.
There's less of a divide between the image in the head and the image on the paper, and sometimes that means you'll have artists pull back so they don't come across as pervy.

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>>97464214
I'd fuck Zendaya

>>97464577
That's not me, but I forbid you to post this so called "cheesecake" this disgusting engine of male lust and rape culture in my thread! I forbid it!

>>97464597
You write like Trump

>>97463283
What the fuck are you talking about

>>97463283
Thing about art is, what you the observer see in it, also tells a lot about you.
If you see a naked woman do you think of Perversion?
Proticism?
Subjugation to a "Male Gaze"?
The enrapturing power of feminine beauty?
Pornography?
Classical sculpture?

What you see, tells me as much about you, as it does the thing you are looking at.

I mean, there's also other question; is eroticism always "perverse"?
Only perhaps in the minds of those who are best gelded with a knife.

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>>97464992
>>97464992
hes mad about porn and sex

>>97465101
You're really repulsive

>>97463283
I'm actually not concerned with her tits and ass at all. They're nothing exceptional, just what I'd expect from an attractive protagonist.
The cool stuff is the filigree. Her weird crown, the design of her hair, the dragons next to her. The random sorcerer guy tied up on the side of a pillar with FUCKING SNAKES.
Its just badass. You either get it or you don't.

>>97465167
>Random sorcerer
Imagine not recognising Raistlin Majere. FUCK OFF NOGAMES

>>97465687
>"NOGAMES"
You don't play games.
Characters from fantasy novels based on d&d don't commonly show up in peoples games you retarded fucking poser.

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I wouldn't say so much that 'sovl' is just cheesecake, but I'm going to hijack >>97463722 to help with my point.
Pretty good dinosaur, right? Looks authentic, pretty real, life-like pose? Well, that's the standard now (even if it's usually much cheaper-looking CGI) but the dino books when I was little were, well, let's say fonder of more primitive depictions. Maybe not as obviously cartoony as Fantasia, but they were similarly fond of poses and scenes that almost told their own story, rather than a shot from a nature film. And often in the most glorious watercolour or engraved styles, setting distinct moods; lush jungle, or harsh 'red in tooth and claw' kills.
Accurate? No, especially not now and arguably outdated even then.
But did they catch my imagination? Oh yes. There was something there that BREATHED - I remember an allosaurus at a kill, I think it was, and mini-me refused to touch that part of the page because I thought it could bite me. And THAT is 'sovl'.

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>>97463722
I made that reaction pic 12 years ago...

>>97465164
Good is repulsive towards evil.
So yeah, flee from me, worm.

>>97466135
sure sure just don't tell us about your tiefling erp there gross guy

>>97466115
time marches on

>>97463283
Are you literally, unironically autistic, or just simply very fucking stupid?

>>97466115
>2014
Fucking newfag

>>97464005
Cool faggot, you are wrong. They push twinks because
>women like them
>most faggots like them
>it encourages the concept of weak men

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People can't draw anymore, that's why.
People are afraid of more classical/traditional styles of art.

>>97464498
>Conan is a male for the male gaze
That's literally what I said. Are you ESL?

>>97464588
You also fuck your own hand thrice daily, "would fuck" and "is attractive" may be overlapping categories but they're far from synonymous ones.

>>97466515
This is the largest issue that I think people don't realize yet.
It isn't that "they don't make x like they used to" it's that they can't. They can't make good movies, television or games anymore, let alone bridges or airplanes or anything else that requires engineering. I sometimes feel like I'm watching romans wander around asking "why don't they repair the aqueducts?"

>>97467230
We are definitely in the decedent and cultural decline period of civilization, and unless people realize that and drop all the subversive shit and pursuits of hedonism (including indulging in moral hedonism for minorities/dregs on civilization), we are going to fall victim to it.
Being better than others or "the fittest" who can do something well and decisively (like draw, govern, etc) is practically treated as a sin now.

>>97467290
Don't really care how up my own ass this sounds, but preserving knowledge and ability should probably be something we set up orders to preserve, like monks used to do.

>>97467400
No, you are correct.
This is the exact reason I respect data hoarders and have nothing but contempt for all leadership of modern society at all levels, since they do nothing but squander resources and dig the hole deeper.

>>97467408
Based. Keep fighting the good fight brother, we'll each do what we can.

>>97467290
Not spending 15 hours+ drawing more niche, culturally lowbrow, titty and ass pictures is definitely a descent into hedonism and a sign of the collapse of civilisation.

Do you people even hear the nonsense you spout? Just because there isn't as much of the stuff you liked when you were 12 and didn't have access to porn doesn't mean that things are worse now or that we are somehow retrogressing as a species. Just admit you liked the lowbrow stuff and wish there were more people engaging with that small time period of culture when this was how traditionally trained artists could make money. Now they make furry porn. If people would pay for this artwork it would come back in an instant but I can guarantee that noone whining in this thread has ever commissioned artwork like this.

>>97463283
Man your other "feminist" bait thread hasn't even fallen off yet and you felt the need to make another? Why?

>>97467752
The decline of art is the sign of failing civilization, don't know what to tell you.
Low brow stuff is all that is made now. Not just drawings, but even in writing people have been infantilized.

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I like the current Runequest art, it fits its bronze age setting well.

>>97467230
>>97467290
>We can't build bridges anymore
Holy fuck you "people" are stupid.

>>97464588
enjoy your dick rotting off and taking your balls with it then. have fun with the HypergonhorrsyphilAIDs.
dumbass.

>>97465167
that's the dark queen holding raistlin prisoner / hostage, iirc.

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>>97466264
>reads that someone did something x years ago
>concludes that this means the someone arrived x years ago

>>97463904
SOVL

>>97468193
It hasn't reached that point but it will soon
All the internet services are being run by jeets and one white guy doing all the work which is why windows is getting worse and worse, it will only get more widespread as time goes on and the corruption deepens until people just don't want to maintain things anymore.
Why should they when Somalis get free shit anyway and are basically unpoliced?

>>97468330
curious to hear which bridges have you raised anon?
>microsoft
you have no idea what you are talking about
a jeet or a chink who had to compete to get higher education, and then competed with the entire world for an H1B is a much better man at his job than some clueless spoiled white brat who's parents paid for education while he was getting drunk/high and played sports/vidya because textbooks/projects are boring

unless we are talking about offsite outsource, yeah it's all shit

and what the fuck the somalis have to do with anything?

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>>97468426
>curious to hear which bridges have you raised anon?
I personally have worked construction on a couple buildings in my area, and I maintain a garden every year
If you mean hypothetically, I try to data hoard so people can get access to media or information that they are critically missing, like pic related for you.
>a jeet or a chink who had to compete to get higher education
>compete
Someone has never heard of diploma mills, or how nepotistic nonwhites are, you alternatively you are playing dumb about it and thus this conversation is pointless.

>>97468426
>and what the fuck the somalis have to do with anything?
People lose motivation for work when corrupt schemes go unpunished in their area. I live in a state where such schemes are happening and it absolutely has tanked morale here.

>>97466234
You're an idiot, but I accept that you are probably well intentioned.
I don't think you understood my post at all.

If a person sees a beautiful woman with cracking tits, and concludes that this is a function of the "Male Gaze" that tells me that they are a joyless despiser of beauty, and probably feel ugly themselves.

Conversely, if a person sees a post indicating that what people see in something tells you about themselves as much as the subject, then that tells me that they are simply looking for something to argue about.

I don't ERP, because jerking off is not a communal activity.

If the presence of a beautiful scantily clad woman indicates to you that now is time to unzip your trousers and start beating it under the table, then you are the problem.

The people who should be gelded with knives are the ones who see wholesome heterosexual eroticism, which is NOT the same as pornography, and read it as "Perversion" or carte blanche to start masturbating during a communal activity.

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>>97468444
>muh superiority
lol I can immediately tell you have no idea what an average STEM student in the US of A looks like
>America First Post
LMAO
I do believe you are trolling, but maybe not so here we go
- I graduated a while back but I'm pretty sure there is no single standardized higher education tests across all 4 those countries so I'm pretty sure the entire methodology of this is based on "I made it up"
- AF Post is a literally-who I had to google and it turns out it's basically a "fake news" outlet farming engagement
- in reality the International Olympiad in Informatics (i.e. computer science) goes like picrel

tldr;
stick to gardening, you are unironically a low IQ individual

>>97463283
You're right. There are too many details. Let's make it worse and make sure everyone is a poc and gay.

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>>97463283
Much better.

>>97468589
>mods will ban me soon I'm sure
good riddance
mean board IQ will increase by 3 points

>>97463366
I found it embarrassing and awkward when at my first game in college, the DM brought out a huge binder with a cover picture of a fantasy artwork of a woman with bare breasts. If we'd had such things as X cards, I would have used one then.
With no other option for playing though, I had to suffer through it for years, which made the game less fun, which made me resolve to play mostly online.

>>97468844
What's wrong with bare breasts? And what makes the breasts of women so much worse than the breasts of men?

>>97468844
>i need a magic card to voice my discomfort
You are simply too socially maldeveloped for TRPGs. Sorry~

>>97468919
It's more about the idea that it's ok to voice your discomfort and it'll be accepted, you won't be humiliated for doing so. Not so much about the card itself.
But by all means continue to pretend to misunderstand what I said, making discourse impossible.

>>97468871
They make me feel uncomfortable when they're just displayed. I don't have to explain more.
>And what makes the breasts of women so much worse than the breasts of men?
An entire wealth of cultural and historical reasons, that were commonly understood throughout the West as little as 30 years ago.

>>97469371
I will humiliate anyone using an X card, even for a reason I'd find otherwise valid if they spoke to me like a human being. If you can't respect my intelligence enough to talk to me, you deserve scorn and exile from my table.

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You can see how Jews destroyed your brain if you think boobs is bad. Imagine looking at this picture and first thing to come to your mind is boobs.

>>97468844
Why are you gay?

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>>97467752
Completely correct. Most good fantasy artists now are working behind the scenes doing concept art for video games and movies, or just drawing porn for patreon. They're not drawing elves and barbarians for roleplaying games anymore.

>>97469394
You don't have a table.

>>97469493
I'm not. It's not unreasonable to not want to see the sex organs of people, no matter how attractive, in an inappropriate context.

>>97469770
>You don't have a table
Projection

>>97469786
You don't have a table and you know it.

>>97463283
Soul = thing the person likes, but doesn't want to have to defend with actual objective proof.

Soulless = thing the person dislikes, but doesn't want to have to attack with actual objective proof.

Anyone who uses these words has no argument, and can be safely ignored.

>>97463759
This is true. Anyone who argues for any form of censorship is an authoritarian monster who should be mocked, ridiculed, and kept out of any position of power.

>>97468535
>Bing-Dong Liu
A name that's impossible to take seriously. That can't actually be real.

>>97469371
>An entire wealth of cultural and historical reasons, that were commonly understood throughout the West as little as 30 years ago.
The female breast has been depicted in western art for millenia. It's sad that some prudes, be they religious or feminazis were allowed to dictate what's acceptable or not for a while.

>>97463991
the men are what men think women find sexy, which trends closer to the gay male gaze

>>97468535
shalom

>>97463722
you mean a brown skin, purple hair, pudgy femme (male-skeleton) with cankles in a wheelchair isn't attractive, chud???

>>97463759
>>97463786
>>97469931
Truth. Anyone arguing for puritanism or censorship in any way is a servant of the dark powers.

And by that I mean credit card companies and advertisers. You are dishonest fucks doing the bidding of those who would sterilize the world and serve the almighty dollar.

I have no respect for the small grains of truth (not everything needs to be sexualized) inside the larger blob of arguing in bad faith.

Puritans can keep coping and seething, this is 4chan, a hive of scum and villainy and always will be.

>>97463283
It took me about 1000 times of seeing this picture until I realized that the woman is gigantic and far away instead of normal sized and close.

Also: "soul" in the context of entertainment media (such as games) means joy of creation and freedom of expression; the sense that it was created by someone who loved doing it instead of being dictated and scrutinized by a committee. It has nothing directly to do with being "pervy", though most artists ARE perverts and thus soulful art is often also perverted (as it means the artist was free to do whatever they wished).

>>97463283
That's partly true, but the reality is that the traditional way of drawing (with pencil and paper) is objectively better than the modern way (computer).

>>97470565
Holy shit, I hadn't realized she was a giant

>>97469770
>sex organs
do americans really

>>97470565
Isn't that Thaksis aka Not-Tiamat?
>>97469770
>sex organs
Do Adam's apples also trigger you?

>>97463722
No one wants to look at men.

>>97464092
who?

>>97464577
Yes. And you can't stop me.

>>97467752
Actually you're wrong, and it does mean exactly that. Bitch.

>>97469960
Will somebody please tell this Han Chinese man that in our barbarian language, his name sounds like his penis rings like a bell whenever he goes to the toilet?
I feel like we need a live reaction.

>>97468844
why do you hate women's bodies, incel?

>>97469371
no, you do have to explain more. why does it make you uncomfortable?

>>97463283
>>97463289
You’ve made the wrong assumption.
“Soul” actually correlates to how cracked the stonework is

>>97466250
FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS???

>>97466115
Luv u bb

>>97468844
Please be true

>>97469394
What the fuck is an X card?

>>97467230
Yeeeees, but also kinda no.

Whenever people bring up "Lost Tech", people never consider that maybe, with a bit of time and consideration, you can find it again?

Go back to the 1980's, and shit like blacksmithing armour was a lost art.
We now have people who do it recreationally, and for sports. They figured out how to from looking at shit and thinking.

Same for swordfighting, or fistfighting. Go back ten or thirty years, Oly Fencing and fucking KARATE were the peak of male cqc combat prestige (not quite, but it's representative). Wheras now we've recreated Longsword, developed MMA.

Same shit for water cooled space suit underwear or nuclear reactors. Yeah sure, technically we don't know how they're made because the makers died, but if you got a bunch of motivated specialist nerds together and let them poke at one, they'll inevitably figure it out.


Same shit for trad paintings.
Yes, it's a lifelong skill you need to constantly work on and train in to really git gud, but just because the staircase is big doesn't mean it's not made out of stairs.

Also >>97466515 is just not representative.
Yes, it touches on some important things to consider about modern artists moving away from traditional art (because photographs do images better, and it's harder to compete against the old masters), but fine arts Tertiary ed is not just some cakewalk for modern fops. My buddy did fine arts at uni, and basically had to put out three pieces a day, in whatever medium his professor chose, for three days of the week over the whole of first year. Just to make him familiar with everything, and so he'd do it right the first time

>>97469796
So cries out the nogames

>>97463283
Come on, tell me this art isn't soulful. Look at how dangerous everything looks. The guy obviously wants to conquer that wicked bitch, but one wrong move and he'll become dinner for those evil iguanas or he'll fall into the desert below. He's obviously some magic user, but doesn't look weak at all. He's got more testosterone than any modern barbarian.

>>97475453
>soulful
I wonder. Caldwell was one of TSR's go-to artists like Elmore, they asked loads of pieces from him. Is this truly a passion piece, or was he a skilled professional working from TSR's art direction instructions?

>>97469482
Now here's a soulful image. One path leads to the Drow, other leads to the Brain Wipers or whatever they're called. Mind Flayers, that's it. The Mind Flayer is feasting on that woman's brain, looks honest enough. Drow don't seem to be abusing anybody. Why's that? Because they're on a slave raid. They'll take your party away. They have a female with them, meaning they don't even need the numbers to beat you. Left or right, choose your own poison.
>>97475469
I think it came down to status of the artist, more important artists had access to more live models to pose for their pictures. I doubt modern day artists can afford models, especially the better looking ones.

>>97469371
why does it make you uncomfortable?

>>97466515
couldn't have posted a version with legible text?

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>>97476229
nta but is this more or less legible for you?

>>97469602
tbf they were doing that even in the 90s the main Dark Sun artist, Gerald Brom did all theconcept art for games like Heretic and Hexan so this isn't even a new thing that happened in the past 20 years

>>97476245
of course it's more legible, since it's legible at all. dunno why you would need to ask.

>>97468426
SAAAAR do not redeeEEeem

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>>97470172
You don't actually believe this. You are fully aware of which gender has forced their own interests into all media.

>>97476337
hot uncle? how do women's brains work?

>>97476366
Isn't that the other side of the coin from non-literal MILF?

>>97476229
That image is perfectly legible, you are looking at the downscaled phonefag version.

>>97465160
>hes
check your privilege cis scum
Im a Xir/Xer on thursdays and Saturdays

>>97463904
You've never seen the back of a fist before? Your dad definitely should have bullied you more, but maybe it's for the best that he didn't stick around.

>>97468193
NTA but anons on /n/ claiming to be ex-boeing were talking about the decline of aerospace engineers safety standards and corner cutting. They were warning about it causing aviation disasters in 10-20 years. And that was in the 2010s.
That's just benign corruption on the basis of money.

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>>97464585
>I don't think it's specifically that it's pervy, it's that it isn't as restrained.
It's not that it HAS to be but the fact that it CAN be is what makes the difference

>>97479092
another huge difference is that art with soul is drawn to portray good things about human subjects
art drawn by... those people is done to specifically highlight flaws and weaknesses every single time

>>97463283
>an understanding of color theory
>an understanding of composition
>detail and technical skill
>heroic and fantastic gestures and movements rather than mundane
Most of the modern art that's souless is lacking one or more (often all) of these features.

>>97479517

If you ask me, oddly enough what people don't like about CG are 80% the simplicistic backgrounds.

>>97469770
>It's not unreasonable to not want to see the sex organs of people, no matter how attractive, in an inappropriate context.

Why are you afraid of your own penis? Grow a spine. You're worse than a fag, you're a coward.

>>97474823
The result is functionally the same weather these skills & arts are truly lost or not, because their pursuit is being discouraged.

>>97471604
>“Soul” actually correlates to how cracked the stonework is
Based on the examples in this thread, this checks out.

>>97467230
>They can't make good movies, television
That's a very specific problem caused directly by the writer's union rules. No-one good will write by committee with a bunch of midwits hired for their checkboxes.

>>97479092
She's obviously hot and shows sideboob so the artist can tell us how beautiful and innocent she is.

>>97463283
Not exactly, but sexuality is a huge part of what it means to be human, an essential aspect of the human soul. A work devoid of human sexuality is not necessarily soulless, but the process of making something less soulful will sap whatever sexuality is in a work. When we call something soulless, typically we are remarking on how it is reduced to a less potentially offensive version, in order to have as broad an appeal as possible. For comparison, we often think of the Hays Code as a culturally conservative standard, because it prohibited sex, violence, and religiously offensive content. But it also prohibited any use of racial slurs in film, because it wasn't about enforcing a traditional religious morality, it was about deliberately being as inoffensive as possible.

>>97478969
You really are clueless, huh.

>>97481830
It's not even just about the cheesecake art. A distinct lack of passion and romance, a desire to keep things platonic just drains it of it's humanity. It's not even that it needs to be so overt. You don't need to turn into a cartoon wolf every time you see a sexy person and you don't even need a significant romantic plot but to act like there's nothing there really demands a specific kind of focus.

>>97481788
Did you have a stroke?

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>>97474823
>blacksmithing, longsword, MMA
The processes were all documented, society was just in a new=better phase and didn't care.
The more esoteric stuff like damascus is still lost-ish.
>nuclear reactors
The knowledge isn't even remotely lost, but if it was I highly doubt humanity could get it back
>trad paintings
This is interesting because it's entirely lost to institutional memory in the actual arts, but art history has never been in a better place re: electron microscopes etc.
So the techniques could be revived but the kind of intensive training need to implement it is missing.
In general, books are ingenious for preventing lost knowledge. The only problem is having someone around to read them, e.g. Boeing knows damn well how to build an airplane but has other problems.

>>97470154
Sorry to hear that retardation caused your eyes to fall out of your head.

>>97482810
>bait to post classical art with booba and get b&
You're not getting me!

>>97476337
Almost everyone in the top areas of corporations (the people who call all the shots) are men.

>>97482825
It's not the 80s honey.
Besides, they do what the consultants tell them to, especially if they promise them the "new modern audience".

>>97482865
Consultants don't have the finale say in anything. They just tell the people in charge (who is still mostly men) what they want to hear.

>>97482902
I feel like I'm talking to you in multiple threads.
>it's all the patriarchy, switching my brain off before I hear otherwise
What led to the whiplash between cheesecake and prudishness? Moid civil war?
Please beg modern progressive prudishness on Christians, I would laugh so hard.

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>>97482917
Sorry that facts are getting in the way of your retarded blaming of women for everything. Also I enjoy cheesecake so I am not your foe here.

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>>97463992
>calling the art of John Blanche trash and slop

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>>97463283
Not really
Good example

>>97483059
>His brother Sal just passed recently.
RIP Buscema bros. You're drawing rad shit in the clouds.

>>97469371
>An entire wealth of cultural and historical reasons, that were commonly understood throughout the West as little as 30 years ago.
>t. yet another american incel puritan who has never even peeked inside an art museum projecting his latent faggotry unto "the West"

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>>97483059
Warsloppa is trash by default. It's literally the original slop, a mishmash of various scifi and fantasy tropes awkwardly mashed together. It's like a child who makes an omelette for his parents and puts in every single spice and herb and seasoning because they don't know what they're used for. But at least the child has the excuse of inexperience and age.

>>97483090
More warsloppa

>>97483185
Another euro-peon that doesn't understand about context and why it's ok to have a naked statue in a museum but weird to have a double life size realistically painted statue of Bonny Blue naked lying down with her legs spread wide in your front hall.
The fucking autism of this place is unbelievable.

>>97483226
>Another euro-peon that doesn't understand about context
saar

>>97483231
Holy Dunning-Kruger moment

>>97469770
I'm with you on this one. Kind of sick of the extreme goonerism and cope surrounding it.

That being said, nu art does suck. No amount of tits and ass would ever make more corpo modernist slop appealing to anyone. People like Blanche did have better style.

>>97466000

Nice get-o-saurus.

Old dinosaur art was more often than not atrocious. And I don't mean outdated or for kids: I mean atrocious. See https://chasmosaurs.com/

Science marching on aside, I think the problem is that well, yes, documentaries (about dinosaurs or whatever) shouldn't be really "telling a story". At least not in the term of having you root for the killed poor stegosaurus or whatever - the t-rex is an animal as much as the other, and you are doing a nature film. Oh, they probably still do it with lions and gazelles, but less so.

You are right about the "primeval" landscape being something in which artists could get wild, I think, but le'ts be honest: that is not really salveageable unless you're playing sword and sorcery or something like that.

>>97483090
That, the brettonia vs lizardmen box art, and that one with the giant chaos juggernaut altar following an entire army was what got me into Warhammer as a kid.

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>>97466115
I started browsing 18 years ago

>>97483749
17 here.

>>97483749
>>97483936
Where did my life go

>>97484070
It went to feed the archons

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>>97482917
>What led to the whiplash between cheesecake and prudishness? Moid civil war?
Read your Chesterton, retard.

>“The Modern Girl with the lipstick and the cocktail is as much a rebel against the Woman's Rights Woman of the '80's, with her stiff stick-up collars and strict teetotalism, as the latter was a rebel against the Early Victorian lady of the languid waltz tunes and the album full of quotations from Byron: or as the last, again, was a rebel against a Puritan mother to whom the waltz was a wild orgy and Byron the Bolshevist of his age. Trace even the Puritan mother back through history and she represents a rebellion against the Cavalier laxity of the English Church, which was at first a rebel against the Catholic civilisation, which had been a rebel against the Pagan civilisation. Nobody but a lunatic could pretend that these things were a progress; for they obviously go first one way and then the other. But whichever is right, one thing is certainly wrong; and that is the modern habit of looking at them only from the modern end. ”
- G.K. Chesterton, Saint Thomas Aquinas, 1933.

It just goes back and forth. We're in a high-prudishness part of the cycle right now.

>>97484531
I wish we were in the high prudishness part. I think you're misdiagnosing the issue. Society is so pornographic that there's no need for titilation at all. Sex without pleasure and just for its own sake is the current order.

>>97468614
This is just tragic

>>97484753
*lust

>>97484843
Don't ignore the colostomy bag

>>97469371
of course the nimby neo-puritan is an earnest defender of x-cards

>>97468426
I have a Masters degree in computer science that I finished in 2019. I had 2 different Indian professors during my schooling and they were both complete useless frauds who only taught for 1 semester because we went to the faculty to complain about them.

That's anecdotal, sure, but it's had a pretty significant impact on how I view Indian immigrants in this field.

>>97468535
Where is India (1 billion people) on that ranking you posted?

>>97463283
How did this topic impact your last game session?

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>>97467752
It's not just "muh porn", it's actual lack of talent. Here's an example for you. Know the difference, retard.

>>97467752
What exactly is high brow about queer transgender kobolds or gay mixed race dwarven bakers or whatever else modern fantasy has become? It's just a different brand of porn.

>>97485659
anon why do you hurt me so

See I don't mind turning away from sexy cheesecake art so much, but they should still shoot for some kind of attractive. When left to their devices these people will make the most vile looking repugnant shit imaginable

>>97467290
>Hedonism is terrible!
>>97485659
>Lack of artistic skills and personal development!

Pick a fuckin' lane. That picture you posted in >>97485659 is absolute bullshit nonsense. Know what the difference is? Publicly traded companies and animation technology. Nothing else. You have been deceived into believe that fuck-all of this has to do with identity politics. It doesn't. It's about money.

>>97483268
yeah, from you. retard.

>>97476366
Silver Fox is another version of that, its the equivalent of a milf for women.

>>97487961
just wait until you find out who runs these companies and what identify shapes their politics

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>>97490372
shut it down

>>97490746
It looks like you shut down your brain.

>>97490746
I decided to actually look up this article, and in addition to the source being "Slay News", it had this to say:

>A recording from the call has emerged online and revealed Fink imploded while raging over the Texas Board of Education canceling $8.5 billion in contracts with BlackRock.
>
>As Slay News reported, Texas joined several states in blocking their funds from going to BlackRock due to the company’s ESG agenda.

So in other words the company was just targeted by mentally deficient rightoids in government and got understandably mad about it. Proves literally nothing, other than that people as stupid as you are in the Texas government, which I already knew.

>>97492378
>how dare you not support billionaire jew CEOs suppressing the wages of the working class with foreign labor and letting insane trannies have access to their kids, all while they keep vacuuming up housing and turn the goyim into a permanent rentoid indentured slave caste as planned in the bible
When did the left become such bootlickers for gigantic megacorporations, judeo-fascism and the bible? Did I miss some NPC update?

>>97492579
See, the thing is that the left criticize the CEOs for things they actually do in the real world, not for being Jewish or for a bunch of insane schizo rantings.

>>97463722
>just make it equal-opportunity?
It always was equal opportunity
Now it's made for foids, not because they consume the products in meaningful numbers, but because their ideology is currently dominant and extremely hateful.

>>97493310
>says somebody else's ideology is extremely hateful
>calls half the population "foids"
You talk to your mother that way?

>>97493324
Nope, because she doesn't irrationally hate me because of my sex. Neither do my wife and daughters.
>you can't just hate people who hate you!!1 that's hecking wrongerino!

>>97493337
Yet you use a slur that refers to half the population. Curious.

>>97493356
kys soiboy, worshipping foids makes them hate you, not like you

>>97492579
The (religious) right hates cheesecake art even more than the current "liberals".
Neither should be in power, but supporting the reactionaries to stick it to the leftists makes it so much worse.

>>97493460
>there are no options besides worshiping women and calling them slurs
This is the sort of stupid take I would expect from a person who says "foid" and "soiboy," yes.

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>>97493552
>the soiboi, trying to stay composed, fails at both simple reading comprehension and life

>>97492378
LOL

>>97493670
Actually, I won this argument. See how easy this is?

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>>97493236
>referring to patently factual publicly reported well known data is schizo ranting
Thank you for your service.

>>97493465
Maybe I came off wrong. I'm more likely to support literal 1930s era marxist goys than modern kosher cuckservatives of any kind. At least the former still had relevant t levels and many of them ended up on the beefsteak side of things anyway.

>>97493460
>There's ONLY 2 choices! Being a foid worshipping soiboi that women hate! Or a superior perfect gentleman incel like me, that women also hate!
>NOBODY has EVER been normal! Nobody has ever just enjoyed the company of the opposite sex! Nobody has ever experienced love!

>>97493310
There used to be way more girls in bikinis than guys in codpieces. That's just a fact.

>>97493964
>all while they keep vacuuming up housing
A) very little housing is owned by private equity; they have minimal impact on the market
B) Blackrock itself owns 0 housing.

>turn the goyim into a permanent rentoid indentured slave caste as planned in the bible
Would love to read about this. Oh, wait, you made this up because you're a schizophrenic who disguises his schizophrenia as a new form of politics.

>>97494473
Wrong.

>>97494666
Yes, you successfully tricked me into engaging with your mental retardation.

>>97494687
>oy vey

>>97494666
NTA, but you're an idiot.

>>97494732
lol

>>97493337
She probably hates you because you are retarded asshole.

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>>97495019
Seethe and dilate, tranny

>>97495345
No u and your stupid face.

>>97494606
Good. Keep gaslighting that faggot. Goyim don't deserve houses.

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>>97495019
GOOD MORNING, SIR

>>97468844
It's quite heartwarming to know that one such as you suffered for years.

>>97468844
>I found it embarrassing and awkward when at my first game in college, the DM brought out a huge binder with a cover picture of a fantasy artwork of a woman with bare breasts.

But what if it was BEAR breasts?

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>>97497275
I'm not sure that I understand the spite that what I said provokes. I'm a Christian who wants to live in a Christian way. I'm not a weird psycho who believes in demons and and that playing games can send you to hell, but I do feel like that some things shouldn't be just laid out there. I feel like nudity is not a thing that should just be around.
I actually find I agree more often with "wokes" these days than I do with conservatives. The points that feminists makes about the male gaze resonates with me and, to me, has an astounding element of truth to. In some ways they're recreating Christian morality from basic principles, which I think is interesting and probably good for society.
Anyway, I don't know why what I said appears to threaten you all so much. I'm not hurting you. I didn't try to force the guys in that group to live how I wanted. The point of the OP was to (lightly) mock the idea of SOVL and demonstrate that it's just thinly veiled excuses for hedonism, as far as I can tell, at least with regard to fantasy art.

Pic related has more artistic value (MUH SOVL) than any of the stuff so far posted. She looks realistic (while I agree that realism is not the only value worth talking about) and because there's less attention put on the body, the face and body language and the emotion is carrying the image. You can almost feel the bone weariness she feels, the weight of the armor, something that again resonates with me having served in the infantry and felt that exhaustion. By contrast the pictures you guys have posted remind of nothing so much as store dummies. Beautiful bodies displayed, but lifeless, with a lack of expression and emotion.