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Welcome to the Old School Renaissance/Revival General, the thread dedicated to the OSR Movement, derived systems, and compatible content.
Broadly, OSR games encourage (yet do not strictly enforce) a tonal and mechanical fidelity to Dungeons & Dragons as played in the game's pre third edition era—less emphasis on linear adventures and overarching meta-plots and a greater emphasis on player agency.
>Resources, Blogs, etc:
http://pastebin.com/9fzM6128
>New to the OSR? Read this for a guide on the general principles
https://drive.google.com/file/u/0/d/1rN5w4-azTq3Kbn0Yvk9nfqQhwQ1R5by1/ view?usp=sharing&pli=1a
>Need a starter dungeon? Here's a curated collection:
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/86342023/#q86358321
Previous thread:
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Want to contribute to the thread but don't know where to start? Use this table.
>1. Make a spell
>2. Make a monster
>3. Make a dungeon special
>4. Make a wilderness location
>5. Make an urban set piece
>6. Make a magic item
>7. Make a class, race, or race-as-class
>8. Make a 4-10 room lair.
>9. Make a trap
>10. Roll 2D10 and combine
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Let's start the thread off with something interesting. What is your go to "teaching" module for inducting new players? Specifically something that is designed around being a tutorial. Theres plenty if starter du geons but the only "tutorial" dungeon i know of is TOTSK. have you made your own anons? Do you know any others?
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The "first decade" qualification has been in use in the OP non-stop since 2019. Fishfag is trying to steal /osrg/ by modifying the OP. Don't post here, the real thread is here: >>97428414
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>>97463723
I have a dummy dungeon that consists of just five rooms, designed to teach the basics. There's an obstacle, a wandering NPC, a trap, a puzzle, and a fight, though what order the players encounter them can really change things around.
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That's wrong. You changed the OP in only the last few months, and you're being really slimy about how you're pretending you didn't.
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>>97463763
>just five rooms
Am i the inly one who hates 5 room dungeons? They feel antithetical to an open design and are just a linear path with extra steps. I want something with choice but lessons incorporated.also dont feed the troll
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>>97463634
Fake thread made by a disruptive faggot troll, jannies please delete
>>97463723
For example, this is the same fake discussion starter he's tried at least twice recently which can be easily confirmed in the archives.
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FIshfag hijack thread. Real thread continues to be:
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Proper new thread will be up once the old one hits page 9 or so.
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Reminder that the wicked, dastardly change in the OP text from last October that OP is bent out of shape about was merely to take out the words "broadly" and "encourages" since this faggot had spent weeks shitting up thread after thread trying to use those two words to make "first decade" include 1991, and to insert a clause that says "2e is off topic, please take it elsewhere" to make it clear enough that even a janny could understand that we don't want every thread to be him arguing with all comers about how 2e is totally OSR.
That's it, that's the sum total of the change. No new games were made off topic or on-topic, the scope of the thread did not change at all, the change only clarified what was already the case , to help the mentally handicapped.
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>>97463731
Kill yourself, liar. Proof that 'first decade' has been in use non-stop since 2019 is here:
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/subject/osrg/text/first%20decade/ type/op/
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>>97463731
don't try to make it look like you haven't hijacked the thread to include a more retarded version last summer which you try to make the norm
you have no monopoly on posting about OSR and you are free to fuck off
source: archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97067738/#q97068966
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>Isn't this the module questing beast really liked?
Probably?
What's it like?
It's a very simple a lean module, where the adventurers get to a small walled (made of wood, if I remember correctly) town of Brandonsford, where a "dragon" has appeared and they need help to deal with it.
Here's a good review:
https://tenfootpole.org/ironspike/?p=7349
I played the module, and my personal opinion is thatthe Axe needs to be toned down a little, maybe just add it a Vorpal effect, because as it is it's stronger than the weapon of the dead Saint....
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>>97463777
They have their place and purpose. Small dungeons come with a lot of natural advantages, such as not taking up a lot of time and being easy for a player to map in their entirety just in their own heads. That's why I prefer small intro dungeons rather than bigger ones, because I'd rather have everyone confident with the basics before moving on to something that might overwhelm them.
>are just a linear path with extra steps.
You could describe every dungeon that way. You could describe all of life that way if you believe in destiny.
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>designed to teach the basics
You've never played a single game in your life, you can't make a character sheet that isn't chock full of errors, and you want to "teach the basics"? You don't even know the basics, fishfag. You're an actual retard.
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>>97464030
Fair call
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Thanks anon. Seems very solid. Also looked at irredescent grottoes. Loving the elevator pitch, HATED the cutesy cover art.
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>>97463901
>You could describe every dungeon that way.
No, not at all. The 5 room dungeon is connected in sequential order. It doesn't have branching paths, different routes, it is just 5 rooms in order.
If you had 15 or 20 rooms, it would work so much better and you would have ample design space.
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>they should have added any age guideline, like "suggested for players under 12".
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>Also looked at irredescent grottoes. Loving the elevator pitch, HATED the cutesy cover art.
Yes, the art and presentation are clearly for younger players, but it has a really good execution.
I had lots of fun playing it!
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>>97465615
What's the smallest dungeon floor possible while still being/maintaining a dungeon? 9? 8? 7?
>inb4 minidungeon.
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looks pretty good
>>97463723
I really like The Horrendous Hounds of Hendenburgh
It's low level but I'm not sure it specifically qualifies as a "tutorial" or "teaching"
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>>97465788
The most classic dungeon of all is just a 10x10 room and an orc with a pie.
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B/X question. Probably this is asked very often but...
A14th level cleric has the following spells prepared
1st: 6; 2nd: 5; 3rd: 5; 4th: 5; 5th: 4.
A14th level Magic-User (more XP needed) has the following spells prepared
1st: 4; 2nd: 4; 3rd: 4; 4th: 4; 5th: 3; 6th: 3.
Now I understand that (A) those 3 6th level spells make a HUGE difference and (B) Clerical Spells are WAY less powerful or at least less "enviroment changing" and "flexible" compared to the MU ones.
But I still find impressive how there are way more spell slots in the Cleric entry, for less XP.
Why do you think the designers went for more slots? To allow more tools for an high level Cleric to fix the party due to all the horrible shit they can encounter by then?
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Healing exists in this weird space where the game treats it essentially as a necessity, but it still remains such an unpopular choice for people because you're draining away some of your personal resources in order to support the group.
Mage kills 8 goblins with a fireball? High fives for the MU.
Mage is only standing because he got healed by the Cleric? Who even remembers that?
The extra spell slots let a Cleric play a lot more like a (weaker) MU, because they can use those "extra" spell slots for the required healing that they have to perform.
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>>97466075
They really tried to make clerics more popular in 3e because no one was playing them. So they made them stronger, because stronger=more popular.
And accidentally made them the most broken class in the game.
Whoops.
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>>97466233
>Speaking of the edition that caused the OSR
>let me just force this meme as hard as I can
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What ever happened to that guy that posted updates about his BFRPG campaign that was like on 70 sessions or some shit? Did he died?
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>>97467091
There's more than one image of that scenario.
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>>97467883
Please don't bump this bullshit thread. Make OP do it himself
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>reinvents the index card dungeon samefagging as /osrg/
You can't even fill in a character sheet.
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http://web.archive.org/web/20010805205352/http://www.montecook.com:80/ arch_lineos11.html
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>D&D 3.0e was published in 2000
>D&D 3.5e was published in 2003
>C&C was published in 2004
>C&C was the first OSR game and it defines the OSR movement
Therefore, C&C was a reaction to D&D 3.5e.
Hence:
>D&D 3.5e is off-topic.
>D&D 3.0e is OSR.
Post your favourite D&D 3.0e monsters.
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>>97468707
I'll start. I think the Aboleth is really cool
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>>97468713
The Achaierai is also very good
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>>97468735
Happy to help! Here's the image. Comment in the next post.
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Comment: Yeah, 3.0e constructs in general are really good and very OSR. Too bad 3.5e ruined them. Look at this bad boy
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Oops forgot to post the golem, sorry!
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>>97468770
you mean like the 3.0e tiefling? yes theyre very osr
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>>97468779
are you joking? aasimars way overdone in the osr. its almost the quintessential osr monster. too bad 3.5e ruined it.
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>>97468790
i mean if were talking moustache than we cant not mention the 3.0e frost giant moustache. so osr. too bad 3.5e ruined it and the osr in general
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>>97468810
okay yes the asimar mustachs better. but what about goatys? i think the satyr goatys very good
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>>97468843
theres so many good osr jokes in 3.0e. like the tendriculous. you know why its called like that?
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oops meant to reply to >>97468848
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>>97468878
dont be so harsh on yourself after all youre the one who updated the osr definition to include 3.0e and exclude 3.5e. i think you made a very strong case that osr was born as a reaction to 3.5e because it wanted to bring dnd back to 3.0e and now i see its very true. i see all the ways that 3.0e is osr but 3.5e isnt
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another change that broke osr is how in 3.5e ranger's received a hit die increase, more skill point's, favored enemy and animal companion also received large revisions for the class, making it very much not osr
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>>97469134
>uses apostrophes
youre doing it wrong anon, thats just how this general rolls, as established by our lord fishfag. if you dont like it make your own general. picrel
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the retarded arguments for OSR not including 2e have come full retarded circle to claims that OSR wasn't in fact a reaction to WotC, 3e and everything
and it's hilarious these people think they are being cleaver instead of seeing they are retarded
I guess it's the too stupid to realize how stupid you are case
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>>97469182
>these people
Let's be firm about something. The current troll infesting this thread is just samefagging as hard as he can, which is ironic because his first move is always to accuse everyone else of being one person.
He is hypocrisy incarnate.
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>totally not samefagging
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>>97469182
Don't feed the troll.
Now. Let's get back to the thread. Post maps.
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youlre ight, your sequnce of three posts replying yourself is very convincig and cleaver. now please instead of deeding the trolls, discus your favorite 3.0 features but kidly not 2e sicne your right! Its not OSR!!!!
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>>97469347
>Post maps.
Map from AX1 The Sinister Stone of Sakkara, by Alexander Macris. Fantastic adventure.
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>>97469462
Second level.
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>>97469473
Sorry forgot the map
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>>97469347
>Post maps.
Map from AX3 - Capital of the Borderlands
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>>97469499
The City of Cyfaraun, always from AX3 - Capital of the Borderlands by Macris
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>>97469510
Undercity from AX3 - Capital of the Borderlands by Macris
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>>97469347
>Post maps.
A map from the ACKS Lairs & Encounters book by Alexander Macris. Fantastic book.
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>>97469540
another lair from the ACKS Lairs & Encounters book
its a graet book for widlresnes avdentures
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>>97469548
yet another lair from the ACKS Lairs & Encounters book.
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>>97469555
another fatnasttic liar from the ACKS Lairs & Encounters book
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>>97469566
so mnay graet maps i love the ACKS Lairs & Encounters book by Alexander Macris
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>>97469575
heres another
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>>97469603
happy to obliege. guess were this is from
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>>97469617
corerect! have an other
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>>97469642
>sonked shpip's
kekkk
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>>97469462
The Forbidden City from I1. It's a great thing to have if you can't run the lost city.
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>>97469706
ph you mean b4 the sonked shity?
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I really like ACKS Lairs & Encounters book, same for the mini-dungeons at the end of ACKS II JJ!
He's good at making small dungeons/adventures.
I also think that the mini random tables he added were really inspiring; he should've made them more prominent, instead of sticking them there, like they were an afterthought...
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>>97469765
Exactly. Some Anons are always negative. Post maps. Here's another one, this time from AX5 - Eyrie of the Dread Eye by Alexander Macris. Lots of good maps in that module.
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>>97469779
dont feed the troll
post maps
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My players are so opposed to the idea of trying OSR, I attempted to hit them with some newschool accelerationism.
>Martials gain an additional martial character every couple levels
>Casters can fuse spells together
>Gishes get some free anti-MAD stat boosts
>Magic items are plentiful, and more powerful on average
The players enjoyed it at first, but are starting to get overwhelmed with options, and are asking if the next campaign can be simpler.
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>>97469788
yeah i dont understand why they feed the troll instead of posting maps
heres another from AX5 - Eyrie of the Dread Eye
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>>97469792
You can only play baseball style football for so long. Have them play baseball (BX/BECMI) And just say this is whats happening, if they don't like it they don't have to play. You hold the power anon, don't be afraid to be politely assertive.
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>>97469807
>baseball style football
Fuck off, troll.
>>97469792
Don't listen to the troll. What you're doing is authentic OSR. Truly faithful. Keep at it, you're great.
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>>97469792
These are really great ideas. Here's some more I have added to my campaign to make my players happy:
>aieflings
>aasimar
>warforged
>Feats
>8th and 9th level cleric spells
>wizards get 1d6 hp and rogues get 1d8 hp
>free 5e-style multiclassing, every level they can get one level in a class of their choice
>archetypes. at third level they get to choose a "specialization" that gives a lot of powers to the class
>infinite use cantrips
>calling races "folkhoods"
>point buy ability scores
>free mix and matching race and class. love me a warforged druid
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Dont forget, 5e was creatined by the biggest craters of the OSR, Zak S and the RPG Swami
It has OSR pedigree
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>>97470095
>yet another totally baseless fable
No, when I say "we" I mean every non-troll poster in the OSR threads, everyone who sincerely likes the OSR. We vastly outnumber you, insofar as there's only one of you, and so fucking with you back when you pull your bullshit is basically effortless.
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sorry this was meant for >>97470095
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>>97470197
>t. Solitary Troll known to everyone
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>>97470237
im not angry im just very gay and nobody invited me to the osrg fuckbuddy discord
dont feed the troll tho post osr monsters from the 3e book
heres whatever the fuck this thing is
very osr
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>>97469462
Damn Macris is doing such a good work one of the best OSR authors on the market
why can't he feel satisfied by it?
would you give Macris a big hug if you could cure him of depression?
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>>97470310
>would you give Macris a big hug if you could cure him of depression?
I absolutely would sleep cuddling with him. He's the best RPG creator after Gygax and Arneson, and a very sexy man. Tell him and your discord fuck-buddies that the /osrg/ love him.
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>>97470612
>they
theres only one, remember?
in his own discord coordinating with himself
the acks discord
and the brosr discord
its all him samefagging
like when he posted a 200 page campaign report pdf just to make fun of us
trollcow is both macris and jeffro
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>>97470606
no, you should make your own thread if you want to discuss only a specific subset of OSR games
actually no, there is nothing keeping you from discussing only a specific subset of OSR games in a general OSR thread
but if you are so butthurt about people discussing OSR games you personally dislike you can fuck off to your own thread
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Sorry I meant to link this
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>>97470691
Have you ever had a dream that that you um you had you'd you would you could you'd do you wi you wants you you could do so you you'd do you could you you want you want him to do you so much you could do anything?
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you know what I said
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>>97470644
worse, trollcow is also william hope hodgson and wrote novels purely to troll the brave and stalwart fishfag long before he was born (using his predictive powers from astral projecting into the distant future)
a terrifying samefag
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>>97471310
wow i didnt know this. thats horrible
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>>97471310
kek you guys* crack me up
*by which I mean you, anon, the only person in this stupid thread, who is also me I guess
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What confuses me even more is how BECMI (I know, I know...) changed the way slots work in Clerics, but just slightly so, and changed the Elf slots from identical to Wizard to something else.
inb4 muh BECMI - not the point. I am just confused by the train of thought of the designers sometimes.
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>>97469347
>Post maps.
AX6 - Sepulcher of the Sorceress Queen by Alexander Macris has a beautiful map as well. Look at this.
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>>97470249
another classic osr monster from dnd 3.0e: the SPIDER EATER
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>>97471954
altuogh its not as osr as the TOJANIDA
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>>97471995
Complete troll thread but in case some poor sod takes you seriously
https://www.d20srd.org/srd/races.htm
Scroll down.
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Jean-Louis Ravid
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and oozes more sex appeal than a deep one
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>>97463634
Good Fucking grief lmao
This faggot wasted time flooding the thread because it didn't have his autistic narrative pushing OP?
Oh well. I'll just post this proper thread up again. If it doesnt stay up i'll just post it later.
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I think he imagines there's a way for him to "win." I don't think he realizes that him being fundamentally wrong means there's no possible way for him ever get his way for very long.
>>97472828
I think your strategy of being so autistic that no one would believe you're actually this autistic is backfiring a bit, because everyone's just watched how genuinely autistic you are and I think they just find you more sad than anything.
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>>97473131
It's literally like a dozen guys fucking with the one nigger who made a troll OP. Since the jannies apparently have severe reading comprehension issues and didn't baleet this out of hand, and now removed the real general, apparently the only solution is for the entire authentic population of the general to drench these slide attempt sin shitposts and then post up a new general after the day or so it takes to get rid of the trash.
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>>97473401
Faggot, dont try and gaslight people.
Stop trying to co opt the general to exclude everything that isn't 1e, BX or 0E.
you literally shat up the entire thread, the posts are all still up. we transparently see what you've done.
That you don't believe people can look up in the thread is hillarious.
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>>97473433
That's not how it works, they'll kill it if you post a new thread too soon, while the present one is too high in the catalog.
Also, since a janny seems to be paying attention to the threadspammer right now, we can hope that we won't need to race that worthless cretin.
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>>97473444
This is a troll thread, and it's supposed to be shat up, because your incessant, laughable, futile attempts to slide the general by fucking with the OP are fit only to be mocked. Take your own advice and stop trying to coopt our general, assmangled negro.
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>>97473494
Incorrect! The OP has been essentially the same for ouver seven years, and was only slightly clarified recently with the consent of the entire thread. Moreover, if you just wanted to preserve the general as it was, you would just revert to the old OP, which you've never done once, instead you post your faggoty 2e-pushing OPs. In conclusion, seriously contemplate immediate suicide.
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>>97473513
>The OP has been essentially the same for over seven years, and was only slightly clarified recently with the consent of the entire thread.
Don't gaslight, faggot. we know better. you tried to push the goalposts without any prior approval, tried to gaslight the general into believing it was a "consensus" so that you could narrow the thread to ONLY be within your strict criteria (except when its not, Mr. 2000 page fake ACKS campaign out of spite)
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>>97473529
>gaslighting while accusing people of gaslighting
We can see the archives, fag
>>97473534
Sure, but he clearly thinks he's part of the general
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>>97473529
>he is repeating the "fake campaign report" canard again
LMAO you're so fucking retarded, it would be bliss to watch you froth if only the jannies would do their job and delete these troll threads of yours as soon as you post them.
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>>97473539
>Sure, but he clearly thinks he's part of the general
I'm honestly not even sure he does. I think he might just be brutally mentally ill and acting on some kind of psychotic compulsion. Remember when he tried to repeatedly derail the 3e general instead of fucking with us for awhile?
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>>97473539
>We can see the archives, fag
Yes, we can. and we can see the exact thread you started this shit with https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/96799302/#96799302
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>>97473578
>where we all amicably discussed our way to this new wording to make things clearer?
You mean anons calling you out and you samefagging pretending it was a consensus?
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>>97473529
>without any prior approval
Not at all, there was a ton of approval, the new OP was dicussed and refined over several threads and the entire general agreed. Only you, who don't even care about OSR games, tried to scream your way out of it, but failed. The criteria for inclusion in the thread have also always been the same, as you know perfectly well. The wording was only clarified, the scope of the general was not altered in the slightest. This is mentioned repeatedly in those discussions you keep trying to claim were samefagged.
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>>97473638
You can talk about 2e all you want, in a 2e thread. You can make one right now, nothing's stopping you.
But we both know you have absolutely nothing worthwhile to say about it, just endless seething about it not being welcome here. Faggot.
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>>97473638
You can talk about 2e anywhere you want on this board. Just not in this general, where it's off topic since it's universally recognized as not being and never having been an OSR game. It's more on-topic in the 3e general, why don't you go there to talk about it (= post your empty comment-begging about Birthright) and see how well they deal with you talking about 2e near them?
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>it's universally recognized as not being and never having been an OSR game. I
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>>97473676
Is it time for your history lesson along with your meds?
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>>97473662
Yes, as noted, you do not count since you never contribute and actually just hate the general, fishtranny. Now, since you keep dodging the question, why didn't you ever do what your own image suggests and go back to the older version of the OP, instead of shitting it up with your own troll bullshit? Answer the question.
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>>97473753
It could be the same guy, Nightlandsfag has been around for many years, and the fish constantly claims to have been here since the earliest threads. Might be his usual brand of make-shit-up, might not.
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>>97473832
Of course he can't. It's obvious that if he tried to answer the question he would just embarrass himself again, like when he got goaded into posting a character sheet, or when he claimed that Castles & Crusades was the first OSR game rather than OSRIC so that he could try to claim that the OSR wasn't about a return to pre-2e editions, without ever realizing that C&C's whole sales pitch was not only returning to the feel of 1e specifically but to Gygaxian-era 1e, with Gygax himself on board and producing content for the game.
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>>97474058
>technically the term OSR was bandied about for a few years before OSRIC was released
I didn't mean to imply otherwise, I just meant that OSRIC was the first game produced in accordance with the nascent revival's requirements/intentions.
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>>97473885
C&C has 2e mechanics. Hell, it has 3e mechanics.
Also, Jesus fucking Christ, what kind of mongoloid thinks OSRIC was the first OSR game. Even before C&C people were playing fucking Hackmaster if they didn't just have the original D&D books on hand.
>whole sales pitch was not only returning to the feel of 1e
That's your personal head canon that doesn't exist anywhere in reality. You will not find ANY mention of a preference for 1e or even distinction between 1e and 2e in any marketing material for C&C.
>>97474058
> and most of them thought C&C was a huge letdown
Wrong. Demonstrably wrong, actually.
What the K&K losers always seem to forget is that OSRIC was not a success. By the time it even got some form of physical release, there were several other competing OSR games, and even Matt Finch had jumped ship to work on S&W.
The K&K losers, despite desperately wanting to be the face of the OSR, were actually just a tiny minority within the community. I don't think their forum ever even reached a thousand members in its lifetime.
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>>97474293
>Fishfag returned from his dinner or whatever
>watch as the previously totally dead hijack thread starts spewing single-sentence posts again
Answer the question, Fishfag. Why did you never once use the old OP in your shitty fake OPs if your beef was just with the recent clarification?
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>>97474341
Ah, I see that you're can't argue. That's good.
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>>97474293
>Also, Jesus fucking Christ, what kind of mongoloid thinks OSRIC was the first OSR game.
The kind that's correct.
>before C&C people were playing fucking Hackmaster
...which is also not an OSR game.
>By the time [OSRIC] even got some form of physical release
It wasn't originally supposed to have one, you dumb fucker.
>The idea there is that the publishers will be able to say that their document is "compatible with OSRIC." (Anyone can do this, without asking permission from me, and there's no need for a fee or royalty to me of any kind.) I hope that the buying public will understand that this means your publication is compatible with other systems as well, if you follow that... I realise this is vague but I'm under the constraints [regarding referencing Product Identity] I indicated earlier.
>Secondly, it's an openly-usable label for your publication. In other words, if you say you're selling something compatible with OSRIC, you'll benefit from the marketing that other people have put into their own OSRIC-compatible stuff, while they will also benefit from your own efforts.
>I should say that I don't expect anyone actually to *play* OSRIC.
>—Stuart Marshall, 2006
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>>97474374
>It wasn't originally supposed to have one, you dumb fucker.
Because there never was that much interest in OSRIC. It was a "would if they could" matter, and they just didn't have as big of a following as they imagined they would have. But, they went for a Print-on-Demand almost as soon as they could, because that's the best that games that come from tiny forums no one visited could do.
K&K, for all the circle-jerking they did, really never amounted to much and OSRIC was and remains a largely unplayed game that missed its window.
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>>97474457
>get presented with a direct quote from the first edition's launch that says they intended it to be little more than a legal way to publish 1e material
>pretend that's not what happened because you're mad
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>>97474493
>present a quote that says it's not a game, just a legal loophole
>still acts like it should be revered as the first OSR game despite coming out years late to the party and never being used except by an incredibly tiny amount of people
Hell, far from being the first OSR game, you're trying to tell me it's not even an actual game. Not a great move.
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>>97474532
Failing to argue is also not a great move.
I'm getting a real sense that you are genuinely a complete fucking moron. Which explains why instead of arguing, you try to rely on... whatever it is your trying to do here. Can't even dignify it by calling it Ad Hominem, it's just you flailing like a retard with brainfreeze.
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>>97474887
That implies that that lunatic ever had it in the first place.
Anyways, figured I'd link to the real thread:
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Real threads actually here
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>>97474887
This is the funniest part, he proceeds to invent a bunch of horseshit that never happened, but it's all completely irrelevant to his actual claim about "pre-WotC editions" or whatever. It wouldn't make a damn bit of difference if his made-up C&C timeline were real because Troll Lord also hated 2e and their original release of C&C was deliberately made to look like the OD&D box set.
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>>97475517
For a guy you're saying hated 2e he sure used a lot of 2e mechanics and concepts.
Oh wait, no, you're just being a moron, and all because you realized trying to deliberately omit C&C just to try and make your personal definition of OSR work was giving people an easy way to demonstrate how full of shit you are. Now, you're moving on to "Okay, C&C is OSR, but the guy who partially built it off of 2e actually secretly despised it and forgot to tell everyone, even though it incorporating 2e+ mechanics was one of the reasons the tiny K&K purists sect went off to create OSRIC years later."
You're a great lesson in world building. When you try to build a world on something completely illogical, endless contradictions appear.
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>>97475755
Lmao what a crackhead
You're the one claiming 1e and 2e are identical, how could a game be built on "2e mechanics and concepts" then?
>Okay, C&C is OSR, but the guy who partially built it off of 2e actually secretly despised it and forgot to tell everyone, even though it incorporating 2e+ mechanics was one of the reasons the tiny K&K purists sect went off to create OSRIC years later.
No, absolutely not. All of this is ridiculous nonsense. C&C isn't OSR, because although the guy who created it wanted to get back to 1e vibes he bottled it and left it too like 3e, which was one of many reasons that OSRIC was created to allow the publication of straight 1e modules and it caught on so strongly that people wanted print copies of OSRIC itself. 2e doesn't factor in anywhere in this progression since nobody cared about it and everybody hated it.
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>>97475849
>You're the one claiming 1e and 2e are identical, how could a game be built on "2e mechanics and concepts" then?
Can you please link me to a post where someone ever claimed they were identical? I've seen lots of posts saying they're near identical, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone try to say they're 100% identical.
>it caught on so strongly that people wanted print copies of OSRIC itself
PoD isn't high demand. Print-on-Demand is essentially the lowest form of physical self-publishing, what people do when it's obvious there's not even enough demand for even a tiny vanity print run.
You really have knack for shooting yourself in the foot.
>everybody hated it.
No, that's just you and the K&K crew, a group so small that they were a minority even on Dragonsfoot, and Dragonsfoot was far from the only place OSR was discussed.
Admittedly, most people are indifferent about 2e. But, it takes a very special kind of retard to become whatever it is that you've become; a creature of petty spite and hate who also imagines the rest of the world is solely motivated by hate.
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>>97476221
>>seethes with insane assrage at an entire general and makes shit up out of thin air to justify it
Aren't you the guy who hijacked the general a few months ago because you thought the OP didn't hate 2e sufficiently for your tastes, and has been inventing bullshit constantly in an effort to justify it?
Between your "Everyone agrees with me" and "Everyone who disagrees with me is one person" lies, there's enough right there to condemn you as the dumbest fuck alive considering how boldly you've been trying to push them despite all the obvious pushback from multiple (and increasing) numbers of people, and that's not even touching upon all the lies you've tried to build up to justify your bizarre hatred along with your fixation that the OSR should be more "pure" than it actually is.
Have you noticed how whenever you're pinned down by facts, you always try to worm away? I think everyone else has at this point.
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>>97476015
>I have to quibble over the difference between my hysterics being
>nearly identical false claims
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>totally identical
It wouldn't matter which you said, they would both be full of shit. It becomes even more amusingly retarded when you talk at other anons as if you haven't been entirely motivated by petty spite for years and everyone's tired of it.
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>>97476244
You're still stuck on accusing everyone of what you do. Its a dead give away.
If you actually legitimately wanted to discuss 2nd ed there have been hundreds of opportunities. You can always make threads, you can always talk about actual gameplay. You don't.
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>>97476258
Your attempt at a rug pull failed, so just sit down and be quiet. C&C has mechanics that were introduced in 2e, no one ever said 2e didn't introduce any new mechanics, and you're an idiot for trying to bring in a fictional argument into a current one.
Well, you're an idiot for a lot of reasons, but that's one of them.
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>>97476273
>You're still stuck on accusing everyone of what you do. Its a dead give away.
Said the biggest hypocrite in the world.
For a guy who cries about samefagging and trolling, you've really defined yourself by how much you samefag and shamelessly troll.
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>>97476244
>Aren't you the guy who hijacked the general a few months ago because you thought the OP didn't hate 2e sufficiently for your tastes, and has been inventing bullshit constantly in an effort to justify it?
Actually no, I just let the other anons discuss that because they were doing a good job and I approved. But uh, how about answering that question from earlier? If you're actually mad about the clarified OP, why don't you ever, ever post the old OP in your bait threads? Not even once? Why is that?
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>>97476352
Why are you addressing me like I've made this thread? Or threads previously? Whoever has been making these non-gay threads is at least one other person, though I'm willing to believe it's several people judging by the differences in timing/style when making them.
I am being absolutely honest with you right now. And, that's really what separates someone like me from you, and what makes you a disgusting liar and hypocrite. I can honestly say this is not my thread, and all you can do is cry that it must be, because otherwise you lose any ground you had to stand on.
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>>97476486
>I'm being totally honest this time for sure
lol I bet
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>I just let
Oh didn't know you'e a mod. Aren't you not allowed to talk about that?
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>>97478122
>Oh didn't know you'e a mod. Aren't you not allowed to talk about that?
Don't be goofy, what I meant is just that I didn't participate in the conversations around clarifying the OP because the other anons were handling it fine already and there was no reason to dip my head in. Have you really never heard the expression "I'll let you guys get on with it" as a way of saying you won't get in the way?
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>>97478376
That would require him to be a native English speaker, or to have friends or go outside and talk to people, which is not only nigh impossible, it would severely cut into the time he has allotted for seething about /osrg/ here.
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>>97479849
Yes, in this post: >>97479656