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>>97485725
Meant to point this out last thread but really need to update some of these links.
>https://bg.battletech.com/?page_id=400
Replace it with https://battletech.com/qsr/ as it has the pdfs for rulebooks.

>https://bg.battletech.com/universe/great-houses
>https://bg.battletech.com/universe/the-clans
>https://bg.battletech.com/universe/other-powers
No longer exist and can't find a good replacement for them. Holy fuck is their website a mess.

Dragon party!

where is this game even played

>individual stumbles into the LGS discord, doesn't know any of the primary sources for the lore, "yeah, I'm genderfluid and play MoC, I guess I'm living up to the stereotype!"
At least they're playing battletech and not alpha strike?

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>>97485842
>played
We don't do that here!

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>>97485725
HONOR THE DRAGON

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>>97485877
The Dragon has grown me a lot as a design over the years. By all rights its an inefficient mech that is just a medium in a fatsuit but that doesn't matter cause whenever I see one take to the field hilarity usually ensues.

>>97485820
Hehe dragon stool...

>>97485905
Its the perfect encapsulation of the Combine, just shut up and embrace it for what it is and youll have fun. Be the mustache twirling villain the fluff makes them out to be. Do an 8 hex charge into a clanner. Throw a school bus full of children at a jagermech. Drop kick a javelin off a cliff.

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>>97485955
Wherever it goes, honor follows. You pretty much summed it up quite nicely.

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Respect to the ancestors.

>>97485842
I play with my buddies every now and again and one of our houses, but your LGS is likely your best option

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So designing a character who is at the Sun Zhang MechWarrior Academy as part of the Girls und Mech universe, a bad idea or fun?

>>97485877
The dragon is gay

>>97486050
>as part of the Girls und Mech universe
The what?

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>>97486099
Fuck you Davionman!

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>>97486099
Obviously the Combine should have switched to Highlanders

>>97485842
I live in Albuquerque and we have a weirdly good community. 10-20 people showing for Battletech night at the LGS

Romano Liao did nothing wrong
For real

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>>97485725
Honor the dragon!!!!!!

>>97486113
Exactly what it sounds, schoolgirls piloting battlemechs. Was used previously as a background excuse to have a grudge match between Davion and Steiner with introtech which resulted in a few silly shenanigans.

>>97486050
I don't see why not, go for it.

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>>97486165
Not honorable enough!

I feel like I could improve my Dragon's paint scheme, but I don't know how to actually remove the paint. I heard something called Green Goo or Green Solution, is that right?

>>97486466
If its metal I have had success with acetone which if you struggle to get is in most nail varnish remover. For plastic use rubbing alcohol.

>>97486466
if resin prints yes, if cgl plastic? who knows, they use a cheaper material than any other company so it might melt, test and let us know.

Dragon DRG-5Nr is my favorite dragon. More mechs need common sense refits that keep the spirit of the mech.

>>97486169
>I live in Albuquerque and we have a weirdly good community.
Yeah, but your FLGS has a giant Atlas Mural!

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>>97486617
That does tend to help, yes.

>>97486530
>>97486540
Its the CGL Plastic Dragon. I was afraid of getting a metal mini at the time so opted for that. A friend said to get a toothbrush and use it to scrape off the paint, is that wise?

>>97486628
What you want to do
>Go to walmart
>In the car section, find a big purple jug named "superclean degreaser" and buy that
>Get an old tupperware, jar, or other airtight container
>Put the mini in it, then pour enough of the purple stuff in to fully submerge the mini
>Wait 24 hours
>Come back
>Most of the paint will have stripped off thanks to the degreaser. Get nitrile gloves (not latex) and remove the mini from the purple stuff
>Run mini under bathroom sink, scrubbing with a stiff bristle brush, to remove remnant of paint
>If you used a primer, don't be surprised if the primer color remains, as it tends to actually discolor the underlying plastic
>Once mini has been scrubbed of paint fragments, scrub with dish soap and water, then rinse thoroughly and allow to dry. Once fully dry, mini is ready to repaint
>If bits of paint are too stubborn to remove, replace purple stuff for new and do a fresh 24 hour soak

>>97486466
Unless you absolutely gobbed the paint on like a retarded child fingerpainting, you can just reprime and repaint without stripping.

I genuinely want to know:

Are there any canonical examples of the clans ever showing genuine humanity, sympathy, and/or compassion, at all?

Or is it all biker gangs cosplaying as Spartans through and any time they are the “heroes” of the story, it’s completely by accident, like at Butte Hold?

>>97486909
If you count the video games, a group of Sibkin Smoke Jaguars rescue hostages held by a bandit king. Otherwise, the Ghost Bears played football for a planet instead of killing people. Thats humanity, right?
>>97486667
Duly noted. Needed to go to Wal-Mart anyway to get something. Thanks.

>>97485842
10-20 people in a weekly group at my midwestern LGS. I’ve seen them across the Midwest, obviously more boomers play but there is a growing younger scene. You may have to do some work to actually find one compared to RPGs, GW and magic games.

>>97486909
Very clan and crusader/warden dependent. Wolf varies a lot but is known to take prisoners or allow retreats depending on who’s in charge and how much the enemy pissed them off. Jade Falcons under Malvina before her demise were worse than the SS for humanity though, that shits insane.

>>97485843
I take it you did not enjoy scouring sands

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>>97486960
> Jade Falcons under Malvina… were worse than the SS for humanity though, that shits insane.

You know what? Looking at her portrait, I’d believe it. I think Antarctica has more warmth than that stare…

>>97486938
>10-20 people in a weekly group at my midwestern LGS.
Yeah, my group actually meets more often than the Warhammer one, weekly as opposed to their bi-monthly.

>>97486909
Depends on your definition. Example could be the Clanners in the Brotherhood of Randis although their motives come across more as self servicing as in giving themselves purpose rather than true selflessness. The fact that their region of the Periphery benefits from their actions is more a bonus.

>>97486917
>played football for a planet instead of killing people.
And I can now bring Blood Bowl into a Battletech campaign, awesome.

>>97487084
It was a bunch of Elementals as well. So you have an excuse to have big muscly woman crush smaller men if you so wish.

>>97487099
You're not a man if snu-snu is a health risk.

>>97487099
> So you have an excuse to have big muscly woman crush smaller men if you so wish.

Be careful, there’s a physical difference between building muscle for strength and building muscle for bulk. Body builders are going for bulk, they look big and have a chiseled physique, but aren’t actually as strong as one might think. “Strong men” competitors go for actual strength, their muscles are more toned than big, and they have a layer of fat for energy so that hides a lot of definition, so they’re bodies are less defined but more dense.

What I’m saying is the artwork lied, and women elementals are going to have less a “muscle mommy”-type body, and more a “meat brick with boobs”-type body. I mean don’t get me wrong, there’s still guys that would still find go for that, but it might be more niche…

I… I don’t even know where I’m going with this…

>>97486466
Simple Green. LA's Totally Awesome Orange cleaner if you are on a budget.

How to strip minis for repainting:
Put liquid in container, put mech in liquid, let soak for 2-24 hours, depending on if you used varnish. Use toothbrush to scrub old paint off. Re-soak for any stubborn paint remaining. Wash in clean water.

Can Megamek be played "Hot seat" or is it mandatory player vs bot or player vs online player?

>>97487408
If you're physically in the same space as the other person just play tabletop

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>>97487176
>a “meat brick with boobs”-type body
Gynoidal fat distribution begs to differ.

>>97487431
Try doing a google search for "Strongest woman in the world" or "strongwoman" and see how close the results are to anime.

>>97487408
Start megamek a second time and connect to the game using 'localhost'. Then alt-tab between windows.

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>>97487408
I think you can give control of both sides to the player so you can probably hotseat like that. For obvious reasons you won't be able to do FoW

>>97487446
one of the best fighting women in the world, ronda rousey, got owned by a man and admits the higher end of average men could outdo her physically.
We're not talking about IRL contemorary women working in the confines of natural selection.
We're talking genetically engineered beings, fat distribution issues would prohibit fitting in the elemental armor, they're purpose built to pilot that armor specifically, their profile is normal human toned and enlarged.

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>>97487446
Something something Clan Genetic Engineering something...

>>97487462
We're also talking about 80s camp sci-fi, so women who are supposed to be strong can beat men who aren't particularly strong at a much higher rate than real life.

How are you supposed to use these old pewter flight bases from RP/IWM? The shape implies that they should fit inside the matching ground bases, but they just... don't. If they did it would be a very solid foundation for a flight rod.

>>97487480
and they all look like 80s scifi/fantasy art, sexy toned bikini models in the most revealing outfits, some with bare tits.

>>97487520
Just as god intended.

>>97487595
Godan did choose Valkyries to be his hands.

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Feel this appropriate to the thread now.

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>>97487619
hucow is not the 80s aesthetic.

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>>97487639

>>97487639
Red Sonja?

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>>97487639
Why not?

>>97487619
Disgusting and fat.
>>97487639
>>97487646
Attractive and desirable.

>>97487668
looks like generic warrior woman.
Not every redhead is red sonja or black widow.

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>>97487676
YOU DO NOT DREAM!

>>97487679
I mean I couldn't source it, but a lot of people seem to assume that's Red Sonja...

>>97487735
a lot of people are uncreative NPC's who can only identify with the most known media as promoted by hollywood.
Sometimes a redhead barbarian babe is just a redhead barbarian babe.

>>97487462
> they're purpose built to pilot that armor specifically, their profile is normal human toned and enlarged.

Dude, that’s also wrong, on multiple levels. 1) male elementals already are built like a refrigerator so having the woman also being refrigerator-shaped would, if anything, simply things. 2) the elemental phenotype came before the BA, their engineers designed the armor to fit the phenotype so they could transform their super soldiers into super-duper soldiers.

Really it just sounds like you’re mad that we’re pissing all over your big muscle-mommy fantasies. But you shouldn’t, “chiseled muscle lady” is still an accurate description of the Clans female mechwarriors.

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>>97487764
Post the source proving otherwise then.

If you replaced the AC/5 on a rifleman with LAC/5s, what would you do with those 6 tons, assuming you can't remove any other equipment or change the internal structure, engine, or armor type.

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Since this thread is now about posting musclegirls
Seeing as all of their enhancements are baked into their genetics, to what degree do you think an Elemental's kids would inherit them? Could they hypothetically breed true?

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Whats going on in this thread?

>>97487822
the lore already states some elementals are freebirths from only one elemental parent, and IIRC a very rare few are no elemental parentage

>>97487818
Well, you've banned everything I'd like to do, so I'll be boring and say extra armor, and if I hit max with tonnage left over, heat sinks.

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>>97487822
Supposedly, haven't there been minor characters said to be descended from Elemental Gene stock?

>>97487782
your use of modern low-tier slop shows you don't have a horse in this race.
I don't need to prove what I lived through to some 12 year old, you need to go and learn.

>>97487818
Supercharger, case, another ton of ammo for alt ammo, remainder as armor and or HS.

>>97487818
6 medium lasers. Switch to DHS (maybe).

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>>97487848
Buddy I posted a picture I knew was of Red Sonja because that's what the artist says it is!

Meanwhile you're claiming a Red-headed bikini barbarian woman is NOT fiction's most famous red-headed bikini barbarian woman with no proof!

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>>97487834
>>97487844
Good to know my hopeless dream of knocking up an elemental doesn't break the lore

>>97487822
Yes the enhancements can pass down like normal genetics

>>97487894
you prove it, I've got the fact that none of the equipment depicted is from any depiction of that specific named character.

>>97487822
>>97487844
death_by_snu_snu

>>97487822
Allegedly, Elementals are just a human phenotype produced by selective breeding. If that's the case, the science says that their genes would breed true, and the result of one reproducing with a standard phenotype or a mechwarrior phenotype would probably fall somewhere halfway between a normal human and elemental in size. Height and muscularity are controlled by a large group of genes rather than just one, so an even mix will usually average out to about halfway. The lore claims that Elementals can be freeborn as >>97487834 >>97487844 point out. This probably means that the product still fit whatever minimum requirements are needed to get into Elemental-exclusive units.

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>>97487832
We're Fantasy postan Jerry.

>>97487936
Ok. Neat. Now tell us about what the Scientists actually did to make those freaks.

>>97487894
>prove a negative
What is this bullshit? If you want to claim someone is a specific person or character then the burden of proof is on you to prove it.

>>97487936
>reproducing with a mechwarrior phenotype
the scientist caste has to purosely restore breeding capacity for a warrior caste to do that and it's illegal to do so as stated in a jade falcon novel.
the elementals don't have this block on their reproductive systems for some reason.

>>97487927
I already said I can neither prove or disprove it's Red Sonja, so that means burden of proof falls to you to disprove it.

>>97487948
Other Anon is the one claiming it isn't Red Sonja; Easiest way to prove either would be sourcing the specific art, I've already said I can't do that with my cursory internet sleuthing.

>>97487946
Probably Genetic Engineering, but it wouldn't need to be anything all that extreme.
Remember they made obligate carnivore demon horses "on accident," clearly they are capable of some serious shit.

>>97487954
>the scientist caste has to purosely restore breeding capacity for a warrior caste to do that and it's illegal to do so as stated in a jade falcon novel.
>the elementals don't have this block on their reproductive systems for some reason.
...This makes zero sense even including Clan Nonsense!
We know of several Clan Mechwarriors who had freebirth children, and why would you NOT have your enhanced PBIs tubes tied?!

>>97487954
Could be a JF specific law that the other clans lack, that'd make sense.

>>97487946
Per canon, selective breeding with no direct modification of the genes. I find it unlikely that you could really produce muscle masters with so few generations, but FASA didn't ask me when they wrote the lore.

>>97487983
>I have no evidence
no, that means you lose. it is not your opponents job to help you.

Does this mean that the Dark caste has a supply of Elementals for doing goonwork? Also can you field a Dark Caste forces. Is it like pirates just weirder because of Clannoid culture?

>>97488000
>Does the Dark Caste have elementals
Probably. Everyone who falls through the cracks in Clan society and doesn't die becomes Dark Caste, and that's certainly happened to a few elementals, probably down-testers and the like.
>Can you field a Dark Caste force
Yes. They won't have good stuff though.

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>>97488000
They fall into DEEP DARK CASTES

>>97488017
If I read the Home clan house book or the warden/crusader ones would that be where I can find a primer about the Dark Caste?

>>97488000
>can you field a Dark Caste forces.
You can play as whatever you want.
Much as it burns me to say this, you could even play as a bunch of bronies (though good luck finding anyone to play against).
If you're going for "generic" custom mercs, an in-universe faction or something inspired by real world military then you're not likely to have any disagreement from opponents.
Generic custom mercs is difficult to define, but something like "spiderman squad", "bronie boys" or "magical girl isekai" are incredibly likely to be objected unless you're laying in a pride flag lgs, in which case you could even go full out "rainbow dildo bad dragon bdsm squad" and show up to the table half naked with a bucket of lube and be celebrated for attempting to turn the gaming table into a literal gay orgy.

>>97488043
What the fuck are you even saying?

>>97487989
>Per canon, selective breeding with no direct modification of the genes.
Pretty sure that's bullshit, since they have male Gene Mothers...

>>97487995
>that means you lose
No, it means we're tied with hearsay, other Anon has to prove it ISN'T Red Sonja to win.

>>97488043
>>97488061
>What the fuck are you even saying?
I think the Culture Warrior is trying to say you can do what you want...

>>97488078
>you can do what you want...
Yes, but the social consequences of making iffy choices for theme are entirely your own responsibility.

I already knew that. I just like getting input from subject matter experts since I am fairly ignorant of clanners to start with and Dark Caste are kind of a niche sub force within clannerdom. They might have a neat force admixture being forced to live like cockroaches in the kluster scattering whenever the light gets flipped on.

>>97488096
You dont know what Dark Caste are do you.

>>97486909
So to answer the original question:

Depending on which Clan you focus on and at what time, and how loose you are with the definition of “humanity” and “compassion” you can find a FEW examples of Clanners not acting like complete douche-nozzles. But specific examples are scant and absolutely not the norm.

Clanners are assholes first and foremost.

>>97486466
I had success with a tooth brush after soaking it in high proof isopropyl alcohol getting it right down to the plastic with just a few hours of soaking

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>>97488078
Anon, what you're doing is demanding that anon prove a negative which is a logical fallacy, it's one of the many things that is attempted by someone who has no argument to stand on or is lacking the intellect to further their argument.
it's like the whole "oil is dinosaurs" argument, a real world example where the claim was made before technology had the capacity to prove the claim and one which has endured to this day despite not meeting the strict standards of scientific observation, the best that has been provided is research funded by oil barons that says "the molecular structure of some oil reserves contains molecules that have the same handedness as molecules of algae and that structure cannot be produced by random chance" except random chance produced all organic molecular structures in the first place and observational science has shown oil on the moons of jupiter and other stellar bodies as well as demonstrated through labratory exeriments that oil can be produced by thermal/mineral/pressure combinations, whereas oil-from-fossils has never been demonstrated.
It's an assumption based on an arbitrary statement that was intended to produce scarcity mentality to drive pricing and all research done on the subject is pursued under biased conditions (funding).
You obviously never participated in a debate club.

>>97488105
Depending on the source, the Dark Caste can be anything from pirates to under the table mercenaries (read, pirates that can be bought off) to holdover remnants from pre-clan SLDF-In-Exile that have been living as sustenance farmers since before the exodus civil war to weird techno-cultists to dumped clanners who are just continuing on as best they can after their clan or free guild abandoned whatever project they were on. It's anyone and everyone in clan space who isn't explicitly in a clan or guild. Many of them are harmless and beneath the clans collective notice.

>>97488105
real world social consequences for injecting marvel tier crossover content or socio-political content anon, not the in-universe appraisal of an in-universe faction.
Figure it out buddy.

>>97488143
Yes I know you are retarded you already pointed it out.

>>97488153
Careful, your mother would feel personally attacked if she caught you throwing terms like "retard" around in a derogatory context.

My mother is diagnosed with APD and is quite literally a monster. She has no empathy. Her only thought would be what utility is there in knowing my son posted this. You will need another avenue of attack if you wish to disturb me.

>>97488215
>anons mother is, in fact, an actual retard
All the keks!

>>97488133
>Anon, what you're doing is demanding that anon prove a negative
Except he could if he has the original source...
Also as someone who just had to drop Petrology, your "oil is dinosaurs" "argument" is gob-smackingly stupid.

>>97488215
...Your mother is a monster because she has Auditory processing disorder?

>>97488268
No anon, the argument is that oil is not dinosaurs, because it has never been observationally proven in a conclusive manner, hydrocarbons are produced minerally, and that HAS been proven in sterile and repeatable lab conditions.
But that is not the point, the point is that saying "oil is dinosaurs!" is an example of a thing that must provide evidence of it's own assertion, not a demand for another party to prove that it isn't true.

>>97488236
Not very informed on personality disorders are you.

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Fuck my chud AFFS life

>>97488338
All mental "disorders" fall under the broad category of Retardation.

>>97488343
It occurs to me that thots would be a lot less ready to get a therapist to label them as BPD or whatever if everyone just referred to all of that as "Oh, you're retarded!"

>>97488343
A personality disorder is not a mental disorder.

>>97485877
What is that black mech, belonging to whom?

The fuck? How has this thread degraded this far this fast?

>>97488301
>hydrocarbons are produced minerally
Some can be, sure, there are entire fucking clouds of Ethanol out in space.
But your longer hydrocarbon chains are a lot harder to synthesize, hence Organic Chemistry is a huge deal.

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>>97485725
I don't get why Battletech is so obsessed with monarchism specifically, especially in a setting oriented around a ton of factions and having /yourdudes/ it feels silly to make the factions so similar.
>inb4 liberalism doesn't work
I'm not saying that any factions in the setting should be liberal or democratic, that would be cringe, but there are a wide variety of dictatorial and oligarchic government types and ideologies that aren't just straight monarchies.

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>>97488339
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>>97488394
Could be wrong but I think it is Smoke Jaguar. Looks like there are grey spots mixed in with the black which would be in line with their camo schemes.

>>97488448
I have to wonder if it's a Mormonism like their anti-transhumanist bend...

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>>97488448
I think the creators were just a fan of Dune.

>>97488448
The setting is post-utopian, with authoritarian corporate colonialism buttfucking the corpse of that utopia forever so we can all have a reason to play fightan robots together.

>>97488483
>The Dragon stares at you in quiet disappointment

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Is it any good?

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>>97488505
>by then my lungs were aching for air

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>>97488492
I'd be fine with that if we got to see more varieties of buttfucking. Give us an actual corporate state ruled entirely by shareholders like the Corpus from Warframe. Give us a fascist state ruled by a single-party oligarchy. Give us a straight up papal-state esque theocracy determined by an election of cardinals. Give us a Dengist style authoritarian government that is ostensibly socialist but in reality is a nationalist oligarchy with a coat of red paint.

It's honestly boring how every government in the game has monarchy slapped on them. What exactly do the Capellans gain by being a monarchy? Why are they not just a fascist one-party state? Why does EVERYONE need to have a king even when it doesn't make sense for them to?

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>>97488529
Cause fuck you that's why!
Battletech never really had the most creative of writers behind it

>>97488460
I imagine they just tried to keep the setting distinct. It's hilarious that they ended up creating the only Scifi setting where only disgusting perverts could occasionally imagine fucking catgirls.

>>97488529
>Give us an actual corporate state ruled entirely by shareholders like the Corpus from Warframe.
Lyrans, the biggest shareholder has consolidated power.
>Give us a fascist state ruled by a single-party oligarchy.
Kuritans, the single party has focused on obeying >>97488529
the Supreme Leader as the epitome of what it means to serve the state.
>Give us a Dengist style authoritarian government that is ostensibly socialist but in reality is a nationalist oligarchy with a coat of red paint.
Literally the Capellans.

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>>97488525
>brother if you only knew how bad things have gotten

>>97488519
Better than AS.

>>97488529
That's planetary governments, yes.

>>97488529
Because the big strongman likes retaining unilateral power, and in most cases they prefer handing it off to their own flesh and blood, not some random toady. The leader of the CC is called a chancellor, not king. The leader of the Soviet Union was called the Supreme Soviet, not Tsar.

>>97488519
Its certainly a thing. Haven't really encountered anyone interested in it.
>>97488558
>Better than AS.
That's not exactly a high bar.

>>97488529
The legal fictions of the successor states are varied, but humanity has authoritarian tendencies that cause a de facto consolidation of power into dynasties. The Capellan Confederation is both a one-party fascist state and a monarchy at the same time, and if that bothers you just remember that so were the fascist regimes of Spain and Italy.

>>97488529
Because “space-feudalism” is a big part of the theme and how the writers justify the big stompy robots’ existence.

And it works because bickering nobles with no checks on their power is a narratively easy way to justify a setting in near perpetual conflict of every scale imaginable for every reason you can think of.

>>97488555
So then why slap a monarchy on all three of those factions? Replace the Lyran monarchy with a CEO. Replace the Kuritan monarchy with a council of fascism and chosen leader. Replace the Capellan monarchy with the party and its chairman.

They shouldn't be sloppily slapping monarchy on every single state even when they don't need it. Most of the time when a government of another ideology kept the monarchy around it was in mostly ceremonial role and only because said country had a long tradition of monarchy behind it. It makes 0 sense for, say, a fascist government of a culture without a history of monarchy to suddenly just adopt monarchy.

>>97488564
>and in most cases they prefer handing it off to their own flesh and blood
That's not really the case today outside of countries that retained their monarchy from the past. The leaders of Cuba and China aren't the biological sons of Castro and Mao. Russia isn't ruled by whoever the son of its former leaders were. America only had 2 Bush's in office out of 45 presidents.

>>97488587
How do you think the supreme leaders started?

>>97488602
Outside of pre-existing monarchies they basically never came from dynasties. Mussolini, Franco, Salazar, Hitler, Mao, Stalin, none of them were royalty, none of them even passed on rule to their sons.

>>97488339
me irl

>>97488587
The Lyran Archon likely is a CEO, or at least a board member on many important companies. Also the Duke of Tharkad. No unilaterally powerful CEO is going to turn down a throne when being a noble opens so many extra doors.
>Replace the Kuritan monarchy with a council of fascism and chosen leader
The district warlords are a council, and the chosen leader has wisely decided that if they ever get uppity about who his chosen heir is, their heads will decorate the council room walls.
>Replace the Capellan monarchy with the party and its chairman.
The chancellor is the chairman, and has wisely decided that if the party ever gets uppity about his chosen heir, their heads will decorate etc etc.

Despotic rulers don't leave systems of governance that can replace them at the whims of some lesser minions.

>>97488000
Dark Caste also got direct help from Clan Burrock

You really can just have Dark Caste be whatever you want

>>97488616
>Despotic rulers don't leave systems of governance that can replace them at the whims of some lesser minions.
That is literally what happened to Mussolini

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>>97488525
>that pic

>>97488587
There was no sudden acceptance of monarchy. In each state political dynasties concentrated power until the checks and balances withered into rubber stamp committees.

>>97488628
And some people probably learned from it. Like the Terran Hegemony, who made dynastic rule cool again and then did a star league.

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Can't wait to see what CGL tries as the next AU. Presumably nothing anyone asked for.

>>97488608
How about the Kim dynasty of Best Korea?

>>97488587
With the Kuritans and Capellans, they basically did, just with different titles.

The thing you're missing is that, after a certain line of authoritarian control, all these governments you're mentioning look more or less identical, and the only *real* difference are the words you use to describe the boot on your neck.

>>97488529
You're not wrong and you shouldn't feel bad.

>>97488631
Yes but in most cases those were in ancient societies where resources were incredibly limited and basic literacy was a scarce skill that few possessed, not to mention it took a literal decade just to train a single soldier to be proficient in fighting so you had to start training them from 7 years old.

That's not the case anymore today, it's not even the case in Battletech. Mechs are too common and too easy to learn to justify an entirely hereditary power balance and too many people are literate to be kept as peasants. There'd be too much shifting of power to have stable lineages of dynasties in every state.

>>97488492
Post utopia? I dont think that word means what you think it means

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>>97488647
It's supposed to be rockets and rayguns, then followed by anime.
I'm not confident they'll stick the landing with either, for some reason I think they'll shy away from skin tight space suits and bubble helmets.

What is the state of gaming in the Draconis Combine. Does Nintendo and Sony still exist, do they hold sway? Have they merged into Nintony?

>>97488678
>1950s-styled Raypunk Battletech.
>OG Lancelot would look perfect in this AU.
Skin tight space suits, bubble helmets, gives me outfit ideas...

>>97488671
>That's not the case anymore today, it's not even the case in Battletech. Mechs are too common and too easy to learn to justify an entirely hereditary power balance and too many people are literate to be kept as peasants. There'd be too much shifting of power to have stable lineages of dynasties in every state.
Who owns the mechs? The people who inherited them, mostly. Who showed up and saved your entire world when the Terran Alliance pulled out? Why, those people with hereditary mechs whose worlds were already very powerful and able to project their power into yours, of course.

>>97488678
They will go for steampunk sooner or later, redditors eat that shit up.

>>97488692
>Steampunk Battletech.
So Frostpunk/Foxhole during that Halloween event, ya?

>>97488678
These niggers need to stick to regular releases instead of chasing the dragon with pump and dumps like Gothic.

>>97488691
>Who owns the mechs?
The state, usually? The setting has become increasingly centralized, there are literally academies where people go to train and use mechs, it's not all inherited.

>>97488678
Surprised they aren't going for something that would run along the 100th anniversary of Metropolis?

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>>97488692
I don't think so. Ray and Randall both absolutely hate the leather and brass cogfop aesthetic. Leviathans is the closest they're probably going to get to that, and it's only steampunk-adjacent at the absolute most, being an alt-history setting with flying ships, but absolutely nothing else traditionally "steampunk".

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>>97488711
Just wait till they figure out to AI copypast shit.

>>97488723
...fuck I actually like that sloppa.

>>97488741
Supposed to be the Battle of Luthien in case you are wondering.

>>97488587
>So then why slap a monarchy on all three of those factions?
The German Democratic Republic and the People's Republic of North Korea must confuse you to no end.

>>97488381
>an affliction of the mind is not an affliction of the mind
>>97488416
Okay? Are you saying spaceborne dinosaurs?

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>>97485725
Had my first AS inteo game last weekend 2vs2 3 noobs and one regular player.
Game was amazing, OP Dragon hold off 3 mechs on its own and brought is 3 turns with his valiant sacrifice. He killed Panthera, cripled Blackjack and chased Locust before being wrecked.

I decided to go with clan Cloud Cobra cuz I like clan omnimechs and paint scheme looks nice. I read they use fighter jets more often then others. Hownare the rules for this in AS? Do I need to be aware of something special before?

>>97488958
Sory for bad spelling Im waaay to tired and half asleep anyway. I see myself off.

>>97488754
>The German Democratic Republic
Wasn't a monarchy you retard.

>>97488301
The claim isn’t that oil is dinosaurs, the claim is that oil comes from prehistoric plants. Every single commercially viable deposit of oil has porphyrins that can only be produced by chlorophyll, among other biological signs. Just because a relatively small amount of hydrocarbons can be produced abiotically does not mean that all of it can be.

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>>97488549
>It's hilarious that they ended up creating the only Scifi setting where only disgusting perverts could occasionally imagine fucking catgirls.
Yes it's well established they're not great writers...

>>97488907
>Are you saying spaceborne dinosaurs?
...How many levels of memetic mutation are you on?

>>97489118
Thank you, honestly I don't know if Anon here is going into Silurian hypothesis or some crackpot conspiracy that Big Oil invented the concept of "Fossil Fuels" as non-renewable in order to create artificial scarcity...

All this Chewbacca Defense over whether or not some Red-headed bikini barbarian was Red Sonja.

>>97489118
>that can only be produced by
See the above argument, this transformation has not been observed, and large quantities of oil have been detected on planets and moons without life, as well as anons other mention of vast hydrocarbon nebulae.
The scientific evidentiary requirement is to prove by replicable demonstration that algae or fossils can be turned into oil
>but that takes millions of years!
then no one has yet conducted a thorough enough observational study to make that assertion, have they?
the alternative is to wait until we examine hydrocarbons on jovian moons, if not a single one of them contains the same molecular structures then we establish that oil can be created biotically and abiotically, but regardless the FACT that abiotic production of oil is confirmed already means oil is a renewable resource, it can be produced by any planet with the right geological activity and mineral composition, as well as synthetically, neither of which require biological material to decay over millions of years, therefore it's current commodity speculation pricing is bullshit.

>>97489214
>Big Oil invented the concept of "Fossil Fuels" as non-renewable in order to create artificial scarcity
That's exactly what it is because the claim of "fossil fuel" came before the capacity to examine molecular structure, so it was an arbitrary statement pulled out of an asshole, and the ONLY research backing that claim has been funded by big oil, do you think the researchers were going to jeopardize their funding?

>>97489219
>regardless the FACT that abiotic production of oil is confirmed already means oil is a renewable resource
No dumbass, it's not!
To be a renewable resource means it has to replenish itself over a SHORT period of time!

EVEN if you can produce fuel-grade hydrocarbons abiotically, there is nothing saying you can do outside of a GEOLOGIC TIMESCALE, AKA HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF YEARS!!!!

>>97489228
Fucker, the reason Oil won the Industrial Revolution was BECAUSE IT WAS CHEAP!

>>97489243
>a SHORT period of time!
the fact that abiotic oil an be produced in a laboratory means that geological timescales are not required, only geological FORCES.
many capped oil wells have been returned to and found that there is much more oil present than there was when the site was abandoned.
>was cheap
WAS being the key word.

>>97488394
I believe that's a Vulture piloted by a Smoke Jaguar clanner.

>>97489118
>oil has porphyrins
No, some molecules present in oil reserves have the same structure as algae porphyrins, and from this the presumptive statement that those molecules are connected by a causal factor was made.
But that is circumstantial evidence, no process by which the one molecule can be turned into the other has been theorized, tested and observed. Not even once, much less repeatably.
That is not science, that is faith.

There is a Stone Rhino on the unit marketplace. Should I buy it?

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Are there any rules from BT2018 that you'd considered porting over to your games as a house rule? I kinda like the one that would give an arm mounted weapon -1 to hit by default to compensate for how vulnerable it is and keeping you from punching twice.

That redesign of the Grand Titan just completely fucked up the head.

>>97489303
> I kinda like the one that would give an arm mounted weapon -1 to hit by default to compensate for how vulnerable it is and keeping you from punching twice.

Way too strong, maybe if it only applied to mechs that didn't have lower arm actuators.

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>>97489303
>I kinda like the one that would give an arm mounted weapon -1 to hit by default to compensate for how vulnerable it is and keeping you from punching twice.
Not really sure why would go for a punch considering that kicking is a good gamble over punching 9/10?
>>97489310
I was thinking the same. They trying to establish a lineage to the Black Knight or something?

>>97489343
Headshots.

>>97489310
Any change is justified if it means CGL doesn't get sued again.

>>97488958
These are some cool looking ‘Mechs

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>>97489228
>That's exactly what it is because the claim of "fossil fuel" came before the capacity to examine molecular structure, so it was an arbitrary statement pulled out of an asshol
That's because it always has been fuel "obtained by digging".

How would you do the rpg stats for a Section 9 style mech group, characters that are equally competent fighters or specialists out of a mech as in a mech

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>>97488571
>so were the fascist regimes of Spain and Italy.
In both cases the monarchies ended up being responsible for the end of fascism in their countries however. Same with Romania. Fascism and Monarchism are largely de facto incompatible in the long-term.

>>97489403
What? If you want them to be just as good in whatever RPG you're playing just give them the same stats in both. Not sure what's complicated about that or which RPG you're talking about.

>>97488301
>>97488133
>>97489219

You seem to be conflating "Hydrocarbons" (which have been found elsewhere in the solar system/cosmos) with "Petroleum" and "Oil". What we have found elsewhere in the solar system are hydrocarbons, that is, molecules that contain hydrogen and carbon. Some of those do form regularly without the input of living things.

Oil and petroleum are specific kinds of hydrocarbons. Specifically, really long chains of carbons that have a high enough molecular mass to form liquids. Fun fact: the viscosity of a hydrocarbon and it's state of matter are based on how many carbons are in it! The shortest ones are gasses, slightly heavier ones are very runny liquids, and the biggest are nearly solid

The idea of petroleum (liquid hydrocarbons) coming primarily from biomass isn't just oil baron nonsense. It's based off 100 years of observational data drilling through sedimentary rocks. We can find organic rich sediments being deposited in river deltas as we speak. We can drill and find similar sediments that have been buried to some depth (therefore exposed to higher pressures and temps) where some of that organic content (mostly from alge and planktonic organisms) starts turning into a waxy thing we call Kerogen. We can go drill even deeper, and we find less kerogen, and start finding the molecules we might call petroleum. Go deeper still? we stop finding much kerogen and start finding way more of those longer chain hydrocarbons. Even deeper? You bet your ass we drill there, and we find the chains of the hydrocarbons get smaller, eventually to where you only find the gaseous hydrocarbons, and not petroleum anymore. Keep going? You stop finding any hydrocarbons, and just find... carbon. Graphite. The hydrocarbon broke down to it's constituent parts.

Saying we've never seen petroleum form from fossil matter is like saying because we as humans have never seen electrons/protons/neutrons with our eyes, they are made up nonsense.

It's 3031. Where do you stand on the issue of Rasalhaguean independence?

>>97488719
crimson skies

>>97489445
>just another front
>as long as they pay and let us salvage some kuritan mech here and there we'll be fine

>>97489445
The Federated Suns supports all individuals in their quest to be free from the despotic kuritans.

>>97489445
They are a useful proxy and internal disruption of the combine is highly desirable.

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>>97488549
It's pretty much a filter at this stage.
>>97489358
True but if I was reliant on that I'd want to consider adding some melee weapons into the mix which speaking of did anyone get to try out the new playtest rules for Claws with TSM? Thought they might be a bit more powerful that they no longer had the +1 TN but never got to test them myself.

>>97489472
shouldn't there be a bulge?

>>97489426
read again

>>97489445
Seems like a deal Blake would be proud of.
>>97489481
They chopped it off.

>>97488519
they seem to compensate for the whole "haven't altered the rules in decades unlike another game that changes them every 2-3 years" thing by now being up to a 5th edition of the rpg, this time looking like a glorified ccg

>>97488519
Play 2e.

>>97489440
>Motherfuckers getting into an oil debate when I'm not here.
God damn it, bros! Sedimentology and Stratigraphy is my specialty. Hell, you could break his entire argument over one knee just with the history of micropaleontology and facies analysis.

That said, IIRC graphite is mostly from coal metamorphosed past the anthracite stage and CH4 heated up past maturity usually becomes CO2 in a combustion/oxidation reaction.

Cheese it there's a subject matter expert on deck. Quickly back to culture war agitprop!

>>97489523

I'm pretty sure I've seen in the literature some carbon residue from petroleum becoming graphite, but yeah, most will probably break down in other ways depending on the availability of oxygen in the rocks.

>>97489253
>geological timescales are not required, only geological FORCES.
I think in this instance they are functionally interchangeable...

>>97489274
>No, some molecules present in oil reserves have the same structure as algae porphyrins, and from this the presumptive statement that those molecules are connected by a causal factor was made.
Do you have a simpler explanation as to where they came from?

>>97489440
>Oil and petroleum are specific kinds of hydrocarbons. Specifically, really long chains of carbons that have a high enough molecular mass to form liquids. Fun fact: the viscosity of a hydrocarbon and it's state of matter are based on how many carbons are in it! The shortest ones are gasses, slightly heavier ones are very runny liquids, and the biggest are nearly solid
Thank you for explaining this crucial fact to these dumbasses!

>Saying we've never seen petroleum form from fossil matter is like saying because we as humans have never seen electrons/protons/neutrons with our eyes, they are made up nonsense.
"How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real?"

>>97489523
>God damn it, bros! Sedimentology and Stratigraphy is my specialty. Hell, you could break his entire argument over one knee just with the history of micropaleontology and facies analysis.
/btg/ - Big Terra Geology

>>97489472
That looks like the kind of person who would dump a jar of glitter into a mech’s cockpit just to fuck with the pilot.

>>97489423
If anything, given the way monarchies tend to trend, you would expect most Battletech states to be liberal progressive democracies, with the only examples of authoritarianism and fascism coming from republics.

>>97489551
Technically, every carbon film preservation should have some graphite in it, even impression fossils. It's just not where the big commercial graphite schist deposits come from. My guess is maybe you're thinking of a carbonaceous shale that has been buried deep. That sort of thing can trap the kerogen and burn it out if the permeability is low enough.

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So anons pick a design from TRO 3060 that you like and say why? I found there were quite a few from this TRO but I have settled on the Eagle for the simple fact that in an era where everyone is going overboard with advanced tech the standard variant is basically a cheap ass expendable spotter. Its mobile, hard to kill, can fight at range and you aren't hurting if you lose it which ticks all the boxes as far as I am concerned for a good shitbox.

>>97489579
That only happens in 1st world countries, and there are no 1st world countries in Battletech, even the Lyran Commonwealth is a destitute shitihole that makes Somalia look like paradise in comparison, it just happens to be wealthier than the other Mad Max post-apocalyptic warlord states.

>>97489445
Teddy had the right idea. A nice buffer state between the Dragon and the dogs of House Steiner allows the Dragon to focus its righteous fury on the Fedrats.

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>>97489605
Star Adder/Blood Asp cemented itself to me as the Clan Assault mech well before I even knew what the hell a Dire Wolf was.

>>97489605
Out of whats available the one I field the most is the Barghest. It's a nice mobile heavy weapons carrier. An ultra AC-20 with a 5/8 movement profile lets you dump rounds where you want them mostly. The ERLL gives you something to fire while closing and give you something to hit out past 9 hexes. Special consideration should be given to the variant that mounts the Heavy Gauss. Being a quad nicely offsets the penalty for taking a PSR when firing a Heavy gauss unbraced and the Bargests movement profile makes it easier to get in the short range bracket for the big damage.

Was Minobu still in the 2nd SoL even after he got dispossessed? Or was he out of the army for good for couple years?

Is there any mech that mounts an AC/5 that wouldn't be improved by replacing it with a LAC/5 and using the tonnage on something else?

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>>97489617
REMOVE FEDRAT!

>>97489638
Only situation I can think of is maybe if the design goes so slow that the reduced 3 extra hexes of range becomes a problem but at the same time if you are worried about the lack of range you can use the weight saved to mount an LRM5 so I got nothing.

>>97489637
Given that it was a punishment he probably wasn't officially in a prestigious unit like the sword of light, but he was definitely still part of the DCMS because otherwise they wouldn't have been able to order him to be a liaison officer later.

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>>97489556
>Do you have a simpler explanation as to where they came from?
Oil is generated by breakdown of dead planktonic life (algae is short for all non-plant photosynthetic life) from high productivity areas. The single cell stuff in the oceans today makes the Amazon rainforest look like a backyard garden biomass-wise. You need that level of biomass to make oil reservoirs the size of literal seas like the Permian Basin or Ghawar.

Dead biomass falls from the photic zone to deep basins where sedimentation is slow (see clays like shale). This gives the biomass a higher proportion in the rock, like a gold vein concentrates in a pegmatite in a mountain. The weight of the sediments that continue to bury it deeper forces the basin down. The tectonic plates of earth ride on a plastic storm of rock beneath our feet, and you can sink them deeper by burying them with more material. Canada is still popping up from the last glacial retreat 11.5k ago. As they go deeper, they get hotter. The kerogen is cooked into oil. That oil can then escape the source rock and become trapped in high spots of geologic permiable units like sandstone or reef material. It can get cooked further to make natural gas or further into carbon dioxide. Occasionally, the source rock is too impermeable to let the hydrocarbons escape. This is how we get shale gas. Or, the oil fails to be trapped and migrates to the surface where we lose all the lighter volatiles. That makes tar sands and tar pits.

Now, who wants to talk about the ridiculous efficiency of ICE engine in Battletech? Has anybody ever mathed out the consumption from old StratOps? The engines and vehicles weigh a shit ton but you get like 65 miles to the gallon IIRC. It's bananas.

>>97489703
>Now, who wants to talk about the ridiculous efficiency of ICE engine in Battletech?
I dont give a fuck about mpg when I cant make a Battlemech fielding due to the mass of the engine! I want big rumbling cumbustion fury and ginormous smokestacks, but I am left with only fusion, fission, and fuel cell. At least fission is neat because you are a walking disaster waiting to happen, but it just isnt the same vibe.

>>97489724
You just need to believe in it. One of my favorite 3025 pirate shitheap conversions is tossing an APC engine in a Wasp. It makes it 5/8 and you need to swap to machine guns.

>>97489615
This. It's important to remember that it's been less than 400 years since the fall of the Star League. 400 years after the Western Roman Empire fell most of Europe was still a desolate decaying shithole bereft of people and infrastructure. It would take over 1,000 years for anything resembling a civilized state to form after the fall of the Roman Empire.

>>97489703
>Now, who wants to talk about the ridiculous efficiency of ICE engine in Battletech? Has anybody ever mathed out the consumption from old StratOps? The engines and vehicles weigh a shit ton but you get like 65 miles to the gallon IIRC. It's bananas.
I always assumed they are based on some sort of diesel-electric tech. That in theory could give you such mpg if not higher. My real question is where the fuck do they store all the fuel?

>>97489747
The fuel is not an insignificant part of the engine weight. They detail it and the range in the construction rules.

>>97489556
>Do you have a simpler explanation as to where they came from?
Do you have an observational explanation that is not circumstantial? Correlation is not causation. until either a millions years long observational study is conducted to prove the transformation process, or extraterrestrial oil is examined to prove that only earthbound oil contains organic-like molecular structures, then there is no firm evidence to biotic origins for oil.
Your comparison of photons/neutrons/electrons is apples to oranges here, we can measure and confirm there existence and origin in every way except with the naked eye, this is leagues away in terms of empirical evidence for biotic oil.
Again, and always: mineral processes for the origin of oil are demonstrably confirmed, there is not one bit of presumption to that side of the argument, it is not theory, whereas biotic origin is still theoretical.

>>97489747
it says ICE, internal combustion
they have in advance rules electric and fuel cell

>>97489761
>electric
Chat is there actually an all electric mech engine type? Like just a slab of lithium batteries?
>>97489759
Can you give a dumbed down explanation of how oil is thought to be formed for the laymen in the room?

>>97489759
Nah dude. He's right. Long carbon chains are only derived from organic life. Methane is naturally-occuring, and you can get slightly-more complex carbons from cosmic radiation, but nothing on the level of Hexane or Octane, much less the really thick parrafin oils or bitumen. I recommend you take an organic chemistry class.

>>97489703
>Now, who wants to talk about the ridiculous efficiency of ICE engine in Battletech? Has anybody ever mathed out the consumption from old StratOps? The engines and vehicles weigh a shit ton but you get like 65 miles to the gallon IIRC. It's bananas.
The default fuel tank is 10% of the engine's total weight and gives you 600km of distance moved before it hits E. Combat maneuvers cut this down a lot.

>>97489793
Could we compare this to real world combat vehicles? Say a gas turbine mbt like the T-80 series or Abrams. Then compare it to something powered by a diesel engine like the T-72 and M-60 lines?

>>97489805
Why the hell would we do that? These are future vehicles, with future technology.

>>97489784
>only
Based on all the other forms of life in the universe that we've observed? This is a common presumption of scientific thought that gets blown out whenever a leap forward is made, you can't assume that all we know is all there is to know, this leads to the egotistical assumption that we can say how a thing occurs without being able to observe that occurence in any capacity.
It is a truism that the smartest human to exist will very frequently say "I don't know".
The assumptive issue with that is a lot of people will consider a much dumber man to be smarter because that man is willing to make definitive statements to their questions.

>>97489761

I figure an ICE mech would work like a diesel-electric locomotive. Big diesel motor onboard that generates electricity, then use the generated electricity to run the myomer n' shit.

>>97489761
Diesel-Electric would be much closer to how ICE operates as far as rules are concerned versus electric and fuel cell. Think of the engine systems used on maritime vessels and some trains, that is a Diesel-Electric. It is an ICE system, its just a far more efficient ICE system.

Or if you want to dumb it down a lot then its a hybrid.

>>97489811

How does the carbon and hydrogen feedstock neccessary get concentrated in the rocks for petroleum to form "Minerally"? How does it get into the rocks?

>>97489809
Because we are addressing how super efficient they are. That would denote they blow away contemporary designs.

>>97489811
>>97489830
>Based on all the other forms of life in the universe that we've observed?
Based on the composition of the solar nebula, the raw stock of all the solar system. This is also mathed out to how elements are generated in stars.

Also, the definition of Mineral is:

1. Chemically-constrained (i.e., set chemical composition)
2. Naturally-occuring
3. Non-organic

Oil is sometimes called an "energy mineral" because it uses mining methods to extract it, but it is not a mineral and cannot be mineralogically-generated.

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This is your newest mech pilot, it wasn’t by choice, you were obligated to hire him what’s he piloting?

>>97489847
We don't know that. They might be worse than contemporary designs, since these are post-apocalyptic warlord states that use conventional vehicles largely as disposable cannon-fodder.

>>97489805
A bulldog is 60 tons and has a 2.3 tonnes of fuel, which is about 5,000lbs, or ~735 gallons. This is ~150% of the fuel that an Abrams carries, and an Abrams has approximately a 450km range on a single tank.

So the Bulldog goes 600km on 735 gallons and the Abrams goes 450km on 500 gallons.
Make of that what you will.

>>97489855

You are conflating the economic definition of mineral vs the scientific definition of mineral. And you are missing 2 portions of the scientific definition of mineral there. Minerals have to be both solid and crystalline.

Economic minerals are a whole other definition that is mostly "Shit you can take out of the ground and sell for more than it costs you to extract".

>>97489877
Regular repeating atomic structure is part of chemical constraint, and requires the material to be solid.

>>97489472
>that pic
Reddit is really all over the MoC

>>97489855
>mathed out
Not observed, but by definition assumed.
Other things were mathed out once, like the hard limits on terrestrial planet sizes, then we observed bodies that broke those rules, redefining something we thought we understood based on the presumption that what we knew was all there was to know.

>>97489882

Water is chemically constrained (H2O). Ethanol is chemically constrained (C2H6O2). Ammonia is chemically constrained (NH3). Unless those things are solid, they are not minerals. And water isn't a mineral. Ice is. And there are multiple water minerals, because there are multiple crystal structures H2O can arrange itself in. So, no. Incorrect.

>>97489868
The Bulldog's engine + fuel tank weigh 23 tons, with 2.3 tons of that being fuel while the Abram's engine + fuel tank is like... 3 tons total, with 1.67 tons of that being fuel.

I don't know which side of this argument is wrong, but I know one person is. I also know that the person who is correct is actually the retarded one for engaging in good faith with someone who is either a moron or troll.

>>97489909

Addendum: There are organic minerals (those with C-C and C-H bonds) recognized by the IMA, the international organization in charge of determining what minerals are.

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>>97489605
For me, it's the Jinggau. Jumpy boi with a gauss and enough medium lasers to be a serious threat up close too. Plus, I love non-humanoid designs.

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Enough of your favorite house, what's your favorite unit of your favorite house?

>>97489920
That's why you compare capacity with range. Either way the Btech ICE engines for the bulldog are not in any way hyper efficient compared to modern engines. I'm honestly not even sure how they made an engine that heavy fit. They should use whatever they made that engine out of for armor.

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>>97489579
Remember that the Feudalism comes into play mostly at the interstellar level to better manage large swaths of space across systems. On the system and below levels, things are a lot more varied. How systems, planets, and even continents manage themselves can be vastly different from how the Successor State is run from the macro level.
Remember that systems that have representative democracies can exist even in the Combine and CapCon, it's just less likely.

>>97489920
Although since the fuel is included in the engine weight for BT stuff, we can also include the actual physical weight of the fuel tank itself, fuel pumps, exhaust systems, and probably all the mounting brackets and hardware keeping everything related to the engine in place in the final weight. Maybe also the transmission, although then you're creeping onto motive systems, and a radiator for the engine itself, unrelated to the heat sinks needed for myomer and weapons.

>>97489951
The setting isn't feudal because of distance but because of a lack of development. There are a ton of ways to do centralized government even before electricity was invented, but those are unlikely to arise in a post-collapse devastated region like Somalia or after the fall of the Roman Empire.

>>97489951
Does democratic Athenian mean you can have a tyrant?

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>>97489615
Nah.

>>97489909
Buddy, I forgot to write chemically-constrained with repeating atomic structure which necessitates a solid, vs. a glass which is solid but has no crystalline structure or a liquid or gas. How did you not read it from that post?

Also, IMA are raging faggots for changing Celestite to Celestine. We should just thank our stars that the Committee of Chronographic Stratigraphy finally rejected the Anthropocene after a decade of activism nonsense.

>>97490021
Now take infant mortality into account and watch that lifespan drop drastically

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>>97489605
Personally I'm really a fan of 3060's overall art direction, it's honestly the type of Battletech artwork I dislike the most. That said, there are a handful of mechs from the TRO that I'd pilot. It was between pic related or the Marshal, but ultimately that TSM hatchet is too hard to say no to.

>>97490037
>Personally I'm really a fan
*NOT a fan, fuck

>>97489858
An UrbanMech on garrison duty, hopefully never having to interact with him much at all.

>>97490028

I didn't read it because it wasn't there. People are wrong a lot.

Also, the IMA are faggots more because they have depricated the various plagioclase names and lepidolite. And probably some other stuff that annoys me.

>>97490036
What source do you have saying it isn't already?

>>97490037
I hate Capellans, but that is a damn fine TSM mech. The Thunder pretty good too. And the Men Shen, Sha Yu, Raven. Dammit why did the devs have to make Liao nepo babies? They got some fucking cool mechs.

How do we fix ballistics?

>>97490062
Well we know that the inner sphere is a bunch of primitive warlord states who can't even recover technology and institutions we have today so it's safe to assume it isn't

>>97490068
Use Lbx, rotary, lac, and gauss. Next question.

>>97490072
How do we fix LRMs?

>>97490056
I'm wrong and on my 5th Bloody Mary, thank you. I'm surprised I'm this coherent. Don't expect krautism levels of posting from me right now.

>>97490088
Ignore extended lrms and enhanced lrms. Next question.

>>97490093
The mineral autist is drunk. Let us ask it, has you pursuit of geology or whatever the fuck you do/study influenced your oc donutsteel Btech outfit?

why did they give the Thug a quirk for aim?

>>97490093

Despite being an american, my mineralogy prof was a kraut. He was very hardcore, so I have had a bit of that cranky-born-in-the-late-1930s-german-mineralogist rubbed off on me. Being that autistic about minerals is second nature.

>>97490036
90 is decades higher than in periods of human history before the 20th century without taking into account infant mortality.
Infant mortality is being taken into account and it's still 90 years.

>>97490093
>>97490107
>>97490109
If you were a true mineral autist, he'd be drinking mineral spirits.

>>97490107
I am a Forever GM with almost an extra degree in Battletech. That means I have random ass forces of mooks from every faction and era to keep my players happy. I have no dudes of my own.

>>97490120
Yes, that’s not exactly a good number, being knocked back to pre-20th century levels of development is pretty devastating especially for a spacefaring society, there’s a good reason why even 400 years later after the fall of the Star League they still have no institutions capable of doing basic coding

>>97490139
>I have no dudes of my own.
You dont poor your creativity into the opfor/antagonists?

>>97490144
>Yes, that’s not exactly a good number
90 is a ridiculously good number either way actually.
You don't see an average of 90 anywhere in any case except for the most comfortable societies on 20th century earth. Before the 20th century people who made it past infancy never made it to 90 on average, they usually didn't even make it past 70.
But the thing is that they are including infant mortality and it's still 90.

>>97490164
I do, but canon-wise. Limitations force you to be more creative than a blank canvas. I do stuff like stick all my old BD mechs in my Regulans since they like to drive old shit. I pick Dracs like the Galedons because they get beat around but some survive fighting the Goons, Ravens, civil war, other insane shit. If anything, I like the boys who take a beating against the biggest Sues and live to tell the tale. You know, 2nd WoB Militia-type stuff.

>>97490174
They’re definitely not including infant mortality, there’s no way people who can’t figure out basic industrialization or automation will know how to keep their infants alive.

>>97490108
they took it away, it lost Thug aim

>>97490108
Because holding you gat sideways improves aim busta.

>>97490070
As long as you can make antibiotics and vaccines you'd get lifespan numbers resembling the real world. The Clan numbers make a lot of sense given how Clan society and culture works.

>>97490198
Yet those same people can figure out how to design and produce neural interfaces that allow people to control machines, artificial muscles of incredible strength, fusion engines, weapons-grade lasers that can cut through any modern armor in moments and turn it all into a battlemech.

>>97489858
I’d probably want to put him in a stinger and send him on the most high-risk recon runs I can find in the hopes that he gets himself killed. But I don’t think he’d fit inside the stinger’s cockpit.

>>97490234
Not really, all of that is inherited technology, nobody knows how to design them and they only vaguely understand how they work, they just happen to have the factories around that are still designed to produce them so they can still pump them out even without understanding how they actually function, it's very much an Adeptus Mechanicus style of technological understanding even down to a religious element.

>>97490198

The IS seems to have plenty of industrialization even post succ warr, pre-clanners. Most of what they lost was specifically tech related to making big fancy high end weapons. Once they found the helm memory core, they were recreating a lot of that lostech fairly quickly because they found some of the specific details that were missing. Reading a lot of novels, medical tech seems to not have been one of the things hit super hard by the succ wars, because pretty much every planet would have had medical production for local consumption, whereas a lot of high end weapon stuff was much more concentrated, and easier to nuke into the stone age.

Or, it's a sci-fi setting written by a bunch of nerds in the 80s, and you shouldn't worry about it too much.

Both of my Stingrays have a gimpy right side fuselage fin.

>>97490247
Wrong, they had been producing completely new battlemechs and battlemech factories for years by the clan invasion.

Some of you are obviously new to /tg/, so let me explain how things work around here. Any idiot can (and will) look at something that doesn't make sense and go "That doesn't make sense!". The big brain move is to come up with a plausible explanation that passes peer review (random anons with competing theories). In this way new things are created, because /tg/ should be a fundamentally creative board, and if you're not creative you probably don't belong here.

>>97490066
post xin sheng CapCon mechs are really cool, but are married by the fact I can't pronounce half their names, and they constantly slip my mind, it's really annoying. Especially since I don't have this problem with the late era Combine mechs.

>>97490021
clan warriors are considered over the hill by 30 if they haven't gotten to like star captain or colonel if I remember right and are test down to garrison or solahma units

>>97490252
>The IS seems to have plenty of industrialization even post succ warr
Eh, not particularly, one thing you really don't see much of in the setting is infrastructure or urbanization, even the capitals of the setting are rather pathetic in scale and scope. People were still living in the ruins of the roman empire up until the 18th century, I imagine it will take no less time for anyone to be able to assemble something resembling a civilized state in the BT universe.

>>97490270
OG spittin' facts.

>>97490263
That's like looking at pic related and claiming that the Niger army is developing new vehicles, it's only true in the technical sense (pun intended)

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>>97490288
Forgot pic

>>97490288
A better comparison would be Iran struggling to build new examples of 1950s American aircraft.

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>>97490288
No, full factories capable of full scale production, new designs just as capable as any lostech design.
Production lines for lostech equipment alone were being created again as well, not just relying on ancient factories, entirely new lines.

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>>97489951
Now I can't help seeing a system in the DC that's hyper Murican. Like full on white picket fence, apple pie, everyone takes democracy incredibly seriously idealistic USA. The DCMS and local militia stationed there are defenders of freedom and democracy.... up until they're called up by high command to fight off world, then they're going full 'HONOR THE DRAGON SAMURAI SPIRIT DESU~!' because that's just how it is in the Draconis Combine.
Gotta pay your respects to the Coordinator after all.

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>>97490277
a lot of Roman empire infrastructure got repurposed, Colesseums were turned into walled towns
others got rebuilt into a more primitive state, the Romano-Briton town Viriconium was reoccupied and its stone buildings used to provide the foundation for new wooden structures
very Book of the New Sun-esque, more of that ought to be introduced to BattleTech imo

>>97489303
Nerfing lasers by not having them contribute to the 20 damage PSR.

>>97490307
it is cannon there are a bunch of Muslim caliphate planets in the Combine, their inhabitants form the Arkab Legions

>>97490306
>new designs just as capable as any lostech design
Because they literally are lostech designs, just shifted around slightly