Fourty (40) starting life is objectively superior to thirty (30)

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is this mf the best card in the set? I really dig the design.

>>97491154
>is this mf the best card in the set?
yes
this was clear the moment every rare and mythic was spoiled

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>>97491154
That's probably the most generically good card in the set for EDH, but the most based card in the set is either Soul Immolation or Mirrorform.

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>>97491154
I love how every one of the champion cards is just this comic in some form

>>97491146
>make highly thematic and fun deck where every card makes sense in context
>even come up with short larpy quips and concepts to say when playing each card
>in terms of power deck is bracket 2, only by virtue of 3 cards does it fall under bracket 3
>everyone playing bracket 3 just plays netdeck slop piles with no thematic cohesion, just what wins games
I miss when nerds were actual nerds, instead of minmaxers with bad hygiene that got into this hobby through competitive video games.

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>>97491220
>that got into this hobby through competitive video games
mtg has always been - and will always be - a pvp game regardless if its 60 or 100 cards with any kind of banlist/format/bracket restriction in place (or lack thereof)
if you want to be an AI for me to beat up be my guest

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>>97491220
>I miss when nerds were actual nerds
>look at me i make highly thematic and fun deck where every card makes sense in context and i even come up with short larpy quips and concepts to say when playing each card, i'm not a slopper like you pigs
>btw ignore my 3 GCs in my ostensibly b2 deck don't you dare call me out for not being able to let go of my slop staples despite me just calling you out for using slop staples
kekw

What plane would you want to visit/revisit?

Hard mode: They'll make it a 2-block set if you can come up with a basic story for it.


I want a whole set on Shandalar.

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>>97491141
>want a new 4c commander option
>love voltron, would like a 4c voltron deck that brings something new to the table. been dreaming of pic rel but 3+ colors for at least 15 years
>Super State gets released, my dream aura but awful art
>Human Torch gets released, my dream commander but awful capeshit
I know your pain, friend.

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Is it dumb to play mana rocks in green decks? I'm playing Frank Horrigan and using proliferate on mana rocks like pic related. I also have cards like Three Visits in the deck so I feel like it's too much or redundant

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>>97491264
i don't really care for people's wishes but if i can get schadenfreude from them then by all means wotc make more UB

>>97491266
that one's cute

>>97491266
Land ramp is better than artifact ramp but synergystic ramp engines are better than one-and-done ramp spells.
Use what works best for you and your meta.

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>>97491266
If they fit the deck perfectly? Absolutely not. With Frank I'd be running all the charge counter rocks like that and pic rel. Bonus points if you have some huge X spell to dump in the dozens of mana you'll very quickly have

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Is she fun to play?

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

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How would you feel about sets based on real world history? We already kind of have some historical figures thanks to the Assassins Creed set like Leonardo and Cleopatra. But with UB being the norm, I feel like its no longer out of the question.

>>97491428
UB: World War II

>>97491437
More likely they'd choose WW1. Mustache man would be too controversial even though hed likely be the most popular commander overnight.

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>get fucked most of the game by lifegain spiderman and the other red player playing act of treason on him and slapping everyone with him and Kediss
>only deck without lifegain on the table
>board doesnt really get interacted with
>manage to draw into exactly caves of chaos adventurer with the dungeon being almost finished and fire crystal giving haste
>exile Clive and draw 13
>Fanatic of Mogis x 4 for lethal
That win felt good

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>>97491428
>Every creature is a fucking human
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPE boring as shit

>4 person game
>Tiamat dragon swarm gets jumped by a zombie army and an aura voltron
>Running Frodo Sauron's Bane, surviving off protections
>Zombie army kills itself fending off aura voltron
>Aura commander is 30+ more health than me
>2 turns before the opponent thinks it's game and I should give up
>Holy Day away lethal to me, dying next turn
>Has my wincon lethal damage option held in exile by a creature
>Psych him out by tutoring for a removal when I already have one to use his protection
>Cast a second removal, get my wincon back, and swing for lethal
>Win

I've been hyped all day

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>>97491428
sabaton set

>see a powercrept version of a card I run
>universe beyond spiderman or some other horseshit

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>>97491454
They'd make him unplayably bad on purpose and Mussolini would rotate Vintage.

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>>97491562
Literally how? The only card Spider-Man reasonably powercrept was a card that wasn't exactly stellar in the first place.

>>97491370
I would see people clowning on it but genuinely duel commander was a blast. 30 life v 30 life 100 card singleton meant voltron, straight up beatdown, and combo all were good. 30 life normal commander or maybe even 25 would also probably be healthier.

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>>97491569
Imposing Sovereign vs Spider Woman for Ephara, God of the Polis. Not to say Imposing Sovereign was pushing the envelope but it has flying, adds more to devotion, better statline, more flexible to cast, and meaningfully better ability. Also on the fringe, I can find it with Thalia's Lancers. Don't like the choice between UB or a card that's shittier in every way including important ones.

>>97491589
...you mean worse Authority of the Consuls, Blind Obedience, and Thalia, Heretic Cathar? That Spider-Woman?

>>97491569
did they ever make the rest of the stone

>>97491220
>>even come up with short larpy quips and concepts to say when playing each card
ahah im sure you aren't an insufferable subhuman

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>>97491690
they are on the way, one per marvel thened set.
isn't it exciting!?! :D

>>97491648
Some decks you want the creature.
>thalia, heretic cathar
Slower. Non basics vs artifacts isn't always an upgrade, artifacts stops some combos, non-basics is more broadly applicable.

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>>97491428
>blackwash history: the set

>>97491741
You really don't need the creature that badly when 99% of the time "is a creature" is a drawback given that it will die to the most common form of removal in the format.

>>97491757
>Black Hitler

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>>97491146
This is a question for the fellas who don't like companions: How mad would you be if you lost against a deck running partner commanders + companion combo?

>>97491891
>Question for those that hate (thing): Would you hate (thing)?

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>>97491890
Elon should buy MTG and have a reverse-Netflix set

>>97491891
too bad there's no companion that works with the first doctor + amy pond; you could have a virtual 5 cards in the command zone

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>>97491915
There is! See pic rel. Since Rule 0 exists and became mandatory, I don't think many people will disallow you using this companion.

Should I get a Troubling Pears?

>>97491835
>dies to removal
Oh here we go. By the same logic it's also the type that will have the most competition on what else people want to remove, and is easier to protect and reanimate. Making it also cantrip itself is also very useful.

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>you now remember that handegg is canon to Strixhaven and there's guaranteed to be more cards about it
Godammit.

>>97492078
Enchantments die to removal too, but they're way less likely to be removed as accidental collateral damage because someone needed to boardwipe or Yawgmoth has a bunch of fodder to sac. Why do you think elf ramp is so rarely played? It's because it folds to the first boardwipe.

>>97492145
>elf ramp is rarely played
So we're taking the piss?

>>97491355
I have her at the head of a monk tribal deck and I like her. Prowess is just kind of a busted keyword, and the fact that you get to take from your opponents graveyard is nice, you can often grab ramp in the early game. Very often kills with commander damage too, any source of double strike (Boros Charm is an all-star, in my opinion) just goes ballistic when you combine it with stuff like Fists of Flame.

>>97491437
Finally getting Benito Mussolini

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>Kamigawa block spirits are statted JUST high enough they’re illegal targets for Meek Attack

>>97492128
I'm pretty sure every sport in every country has advertisements.

>>97491355
Jesus christ this is among the gayest flavor texts I have ever read.

>>97492433
Yup. The cannonically autismal planeswalker got a quote like that. Personally, I know nothing about Narset's personality or character, but I would have made it something like this:
>"Dragons. DRAAAAAAGGOOOOONS." Sarkhan screamed. He knew there had to be Dragons. It was Tarkir after all. But, as he started screaming about Dragons for the 57ths, Narset walked into the room, fell to her knees, covered her ears and started making a noise like a passing ambulance. Narset is autstic.

Sarkhan screamed, Narset weee wooo'd. This continued into the night."

>>97492289
>2 mentions of ads
>somehow everyone who ever reads that post is obsessed with the fucking ads and nothing else

>>97492487
Because nothing else about it makes any sense as an insult

>>97492505
It's not an insult? It's banter. Mid high tier banter.

>>97491355
I ran her for a while and she was fun but extremely sink or swim, def too strong for my playgroup and I'm looking for a new spellslinger commander

>>97492532
if your playgroup can't handle her, you should probably just play tribal beatdown because lol, just lol

>>97492505
The accuracy of it is what makes it funny

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>>97492532
>I'm looking for a new spellslinger commander
Just an innocent little signpost uncommon for draft, nothing to be worried about. You can't even cheat on mana with her.
>proceed to make 60 mana and do storm things

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>need 1 card from some UB precon
>key piece of the deck mechanically speaking
>precon sold out everywhere
>the single is $25
>had a UB specific name so it'll likely never be reprinted at scale
UB is just RL 2.0
Hate marvelsloppa but im probably gonna have to buy the precons just in case they put a card on that becomes shockingly OP with new discoveries/releases in 1 or 2 years

>>97492597
>Hate marvelsloppa but im probably gonna have to buy the precons just in case they put a card on that becomes shockingly OP with new discoveries/releases in 1 or 2 years
Generally why I buy UB precons.
Look at the warhammer ones. Ghyrson Starn is like 40 dollars now.

>>97492597
>>97492611
>they got FOMO'd
lol

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I have a gruul omnath deck that I love. Is it worth going up the colors for the blue and white access? I've never seen anyone actually build a deck around the other two.

>>97492597
>UB is just RL 2.0
You're just realizing this now? The sad thing is, wizards doesn't realize that yes, making UW product would be expensive, but even 1 UW card in a set that was incredibly popular and powerful (orcish bowmasters, one ring etc,) would probably give then 10% sales increase from people casing it.

>>97492696
Just play the phyrexian one and play all versions of your boyfriend

>>97492661
Because the MO is real, anon. It's not a joke

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>>97491981
>rule zero became mandatory
Ante your worthless proxied deck to me NOW

>>97492724
Do you really want a sol ring with a butt on it that badly? I'll just bring you one for free next week.

>>97492742
YES. I would like this.

>>97492714
>You're just realizing this now?
I never said that

>>97492696
I recommend going down a color and playing the mono green one.

>>97491154
I wanted him for my Derevi tap/untap deck the moment I saw him, but I don't want to pay the price.

>>97492719
You will live without le soopa speshul extra good double deluxe UB card, friend. It's a 100 card format, you're not going to see it half the time, and unless you're playing at the absolute highest power level, missing out on the """best""" card for a particular commander isn't going to hurt you

>>97492719
Unless you collect precons you're better off buying singles and have other people take the risk of speculating

>>97492815
Yes and your coin flip deck will live without krark's thumb.

>>97492842
>NOOOOOOOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!!! EVERY DECK I EVER PLAY HINGERS ON 1 CARD IN THE 99!!!!!!
Proxy it then.
You really are just creating problems for yourself you justify your addiction to sucking WotC's shenis.

>>97492842
How are you missing out on krark's thumb though? It's not like the card can't be found anywhere online

>>97492815
>>97492856
>you dont need the card
>wait, if you need it, just proxy
Silly anon.

>>97492859
Irrelevant. The post is a direct response to >>97492815

His argument is also shit because if you use this logic then why do we need a ban list since "lol 100 card format u won't see it most of the time"?
Like is Thoracle cool now because there's only 1? I mean I can run 10 tutors.

>>97492594
I've thought about building her or Tellah or the prowess dragon guy from OTJ. I do kinda like the new big mana izzet stuff that's been coming out so I might just
>>97492597
>UB is just RL 2.0
Yeah obviously. Oldfags would be eating it up if it weren't outside IPs and it's a great excuse to have terrible reprint policies

>>97492856
>proxy it then
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
(You) absolutely want to slob on wotc's knob, except you're paying in the form of being a walking advertisement

>>97492863
>>you dont need the card
Correct, in 9999 cases out of 10,000 you don't.
>>wait, if you need it, just proxy
Yeah you deliberately came up with an extremely niche example where 1 card in the 99 actually is very important, and it wasn't even a UB card.

>>97492869
Yeah you seem to be some kind of retard that thinks the exception disproves the rule.

>>97492597
Proxy it with an in universe name and art

>>97491264
>do a lot of things
>draw a lot of cards
the good "do thing, draw card" type of commander

>>97492886
You dont know much about logic, do you silly anon.

Show me the sample. Preferably the whole data set. I want to see the results of 1 in 10,000 times needing the card. Is this on average? Is this the median? Is it rounded to a whole number? Was any data pruned? Or, are you being silly on purpose for attention?

>>97492935
>loses argument
>starts talking about logic and sources
Lmao
>>>/reddit/

>>97491355
I enjoyed her a lot until my pod realized she was kill on sight. Randoms don't enjoy having their cards touched so using her as pseudo theft grates on people since they don't like having to look through their graves for things for you to cast.
>>97492872
Tellah is very fun and it's kind of absurd how little people have caught on to how interesting he is in mid power. Being a token spitter for non-creature spells instead of just instants and sorceries is nice since it doesn't fuck up his gameplan of ramping with every big source you have available to detonate him with his 8+. The draw power on his 4+ is nutty as well since you have a lot of spells with overvalued card effects in that range that are trying to beg you to play them instead of their cheaper alternatives that are better in any other deck. I think since he can't get his cost effects from discounted sources people write him off. Here's my WIP.
https://moxfield.com/decks/G5sLiABvO0qvuqilEVkWbg

>>97492886
You dont need mtg in your life to begin with so your whole argument is a wash you're better off telling people to find a healthier hobby like gardening

>>97492950
Hey thanks for sharing the list anon! I'll check it out

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>>97492941
>say something silly
>it gets pointed out that it's silly
>doubles down with hyperbole
>starts shitposting
As expected of country grown vegetables. I was asking about what you said. I also pointed out you said two incongruent things. And here you are talking of "winning arguments" and sending people to reddit.

Shoo shoo little silly anon. You surely can get more attention acting less retarded elsewhere.

>>97492952
It's not though. There's nothing wrong with buying and enjoying cardboard, but when you're actively describing how the purchase of cardboard is making you behave in a way you don't want to behave because of FOMO, there is blatantly a problem.

>>97492976
>say something accurate
>redditor has a tard tantrum

>>97492990
No tantrum. If it was accurate you'd have the data. You dont because it was hyperbole; I know this, you know this. You also said two things that directly contradicted eachother right beside eachother.

I can continue this all day. Perhaps you should practice your rhetoric and logic if you're going to be a dumbass. Not everyone can be smart, and you certainly need more practice if you want to pretend.

>>97492990
In the first place there's no such thing as FOMO for nonRL cards as cards are always available online, you only missed out on potential savings had you specced early

>>97492160
Fellow Monk masterrace, do you mind posting a decklist? Mine eats massive shit constantly.

>>97493017
nta but yes it's obviously hyperbole. There is no actual data set or case study about needing a card in your deck across ten thousand games.
Is that all you got from his post? It's obvious that the point he's trying to make is that a single card in the 99 likely isn't as necessary as you think and isn't worth stressing over. If its exclusion continues to stress you out despite that, proxy it for peace of mind.

No, I don't have a source in a scientific journal to prove this. It's common sense.

>>97493155
>single card in the 99 likely isn't as necessary as you think and isn't worth stressing over
A single card is more likely to be necessary if you play at a power level higher than bracket 2

>>97493033
https://archidekt.com/decks/6261210/monk_class
I guess, but it's really just a pet deck I enjoy, it's not really meant to be particularly powerful. For example, I have a rule that I'm not using any non-monk creatures in it. It's not a budget deck, but I have minded my budget when building it. I've also proxied art for it to follow a story throughout it as well, cards like Path to Exile and Supreme Verdict depict story beats for the deck.

>>97493155
nta but this is a proven slippery slope
if they keep printing (like they have) mechanically unique cards in limited products that will never see a reprint. eventually decks can't compete or can't be built at all due to scarcity of needed singles
but yeah, proxying is the answer. I stopped buying cards exactly because of this business model of theirs where they put uniques in secret lairs that get immediately scalped

>>97493249
>but yeah, buying fake luxury bags is the answer. I stopped buying dion and chanel exactly because of this business model of theirs where they release new bags that get immediately scalped
Imagine being oblivious that mtg is going the way of bernard arnault for half a decade now
Decks will still be built with the new cards by the way, you just wont be part of that group

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>he plays blue

>>97493326
I'd rather not have a pedo in charge of a kids company

>>97492882
Dangerously retarded post

>>97493346
Uh oh proxyfag melty

>>97493017
>if it was accurate youd have the data
Quite possibly the least logical thing ive ever seen posted on the internet in my entire life.

>>97493351
Im anti proxy. You are just not very intelligent anon

>>97493291
>Imagine being oblivious for half a decade now
how did you come to this conclusion. rhetorical question

>>97493357
>i tell people to proxy
>aldo dont you call proxyfags walking advertisements that's very hurtful
>btw i'm anti proxy
Sure thing sensei kun

>>97493293
>my etali got countered once and I've been mad about it ever since: the post.

>>97493398
I did none of these things except call you retarded anon, which is very true.

>>97493293
Post one of your decklists.

>>97493441
>>97493351

>>97493335
like we have now?
ok

>>97493474
His name is chris cocks not chris pedo

What's your favorite reanimator commander?
I was thinking about building Hashaton because he's really only vulnerable to instant-speed GY hate as far as his own ability goes.

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>>97492900
>Proxy it with an in universe name and art

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>>97493484

>>97491220
Right, and what three GCs are you running?

>>97493474
Is cocks in the files?

>>97493487
I like this art. It has nice coloring.

>>97493489
How does it tend to play out? I imagine you could run it as a mix of group slug and reanimator. Goading is one of those strats that, in my experience, tends to either seriously underperform or overperform because it gets people frothing at the mouth and they start playing super aggressively.

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>>97493484
Bad Hell's Caretaker.

>>97493410
nta, but blue players usually counterspell board wipes, then die to the guy the board wipe was for.
after the game, they usually loudly proclaim that counterspells are bad in edh.

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>>97493538

>>97493487
WHy are you playing MtG if you're not gay?

>>97493682
All right, fair.

>>97493326
This is the most pathetic fanfic I've ever read

>>97493682
Delightfully devilish

>>97493487
This one's cute actually, probably one of the best price month arts they did
>>97493489
Damn shame they exile instead of sac

>>97493487
Me in the back making drinks above the black elf lesbian

>>97493784
>Damn shame they exile instead of sac
While there are redundancies like eater of days and inverter of truth, the point of beamtown bullies as a commander is to discourage people from interacting with your infinite combo of choice by using the threat of a hasty instant loss

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>>97492724
Too bad Companion's in the CZ don't count towards the starting deck and can never be ante'd. :(
If Treizeci were my only proxy than you might end up getting an old bordered Plains or some other fringe OS card. I'd gladly wager $0.02 for your Rhystic or whatever value town card you might use.

>>97493842
Jokes on you i have a fully proxied cedh deck and the fact that 100% cedh tournaments are run while contract is banned is peak hilarity

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MY FUCKING DICK

>>97493854
Contract would be banned for power level reasons even if ante was legal, it's completely absurd. If you lose a game where you cast it your opponent deserves to take a card from your bum ass deck.

>>97493854
>i have a fully proxied cedh deck
Why didn't you say that you like cock earlier?
>contract is banned
Take advantage of people who don't know.

>>97493924
Shiiiiiet I might have to get this and the klauth one

>>97493924
Worst girl.

>>97493924
>only thing of value is the dragon
>it's only like 13 dollars
Sounds like a huge waste of money to pay 70 bucks for that

>>97493924
>UB shit

>>97493946
Every single reason given for contract being banned everywhere is because it's ante and only ante, it's not even legal in vintage
If contract is too strong it at least deserves a few months destroying cedh in the spirit of fairness as western civilizations are known for

>>97494028
>Noooo D&D is so out of place in magic

>>97494040
It's not Magic, so yes.

>>97494047
And now d&d is magic, just like that
Sucks not to own the mtg ip to make sweeping changes i guess

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>>97494047
It is actually

>>97494079
This D&D's own version of UB shit. All you've shown me is two games mutually suffering from the same problem.

>>97494089
Magic is DnD
DnD is Magic

>>97494047
And anything outside of Dominaria is also not magic.

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the only SL with some value in it

>>97494122
Not even the most valuable.

>deck plays like shit
>do nothing all game and watch everyone else have fun
>lose desire to play it
>spend weeks if not months without playing
>make new deck
>overthink every aspect to hopefully avoid a repeat incident
>finally get opportunity for a game
>deck plays like shit
This has happened like five times now
I have never won a game of commander and it makes me want to kill myself

>>97493487
>that fucking beholder
just murder whoever green lit this garbage

>make a control deck
>other players get ahead on board
>cast my sweeper
>all of them have counter spells
>one of them wins
>other two get made they "wasted their counterspell" and that I should have been playing more control cards
>can't play in bracket 2 because people don't run interaction
>can't play it in bracket 3 because half the decks there are actually bracket 2, and its a toss up if the players have any game sense
>can't play in in bracket 4 because people don't play for the board
>can't run too many removal or its not fun
>can't run too little because people expect me to simultaneously never have it and always have it at the same time
how you retards considered just letting the board wipe go through? and focus on rebuilding or use a board wide protection spell so you lose no creatures and cone out ahead, instead of your opponents also losing no creatures so they can win after you use your counter spell?

>>97494196
That beholder is adorable.

>>97494196
pipe down latinx

>>97494202
The only legitimate control decks I've been able to play with are just using 1 indestructible commander or creature and 500 board wipes. Anything else is a waste, as running mostly counterspells leaves you to be board police with 0 assistance and then you get blamed anyway (Why didn't you counter THIS spell instead of THAT one?) or some guy just waits until you're tapped out policing and combos off because nobody else is going to run interaction.

>>97494122
Kino SL and lowers the value of the Exit From Exile precon by a ton, all its missing is Jeska's Will.

>>97491220
Nerds care about mechanical cohesion not that gay larpy flavor shit you absolute faggot.

>>97494276
it's crazy that they me expect be the removal for them, but counter the board wipe because they don't want to lose their 4/4 and wonder why the problem player and their engine is running away with the game

>>97494375
Unfortunately pure control is mostly a lost cause in a 4 player game as most control cards are balanced to barely be a value trade for one opponent, if you play against multiple they will literally collude against you even if it loses them the game. Your best bet is to embrace the evil and play stax.

>>97494398
>Your best bet is to embrace the evil and play stax.
mono w is bad until you embrace what white does best
>It does the same thing to me and my side of the field :^) its perfectly fair

>>97494047
>yes I am a massive retard how could you tell?

You need to unironically stop playing Magic

>>97494485
good going ensuring the anon will stay out of spite

How do you stop running out of cards in a spell slinger deck? I'm running 14 goddamned cantrips and wheels and looting effects, but if you play too many spells the deck just stops working entirely and you sit there with no cards in hand.

Artifacts are superior, unless there is some secret spice my spellslinging friends arent sharing.

>>97494168
>makes me want to kill myself
livestream it

>>97494629
>unless there is some secret spice my spellslinging friends arent sharing.
I can share it with you but theres probably no point unless you have $1600 on hand to buy the cards to make edh storm functional

>>97494168
What kind of decks are you running? What kind of power level does your pod play at? You could always grab a good precon and play in a bracket 2 with people, your deck will have time to do the thing and you will eventually get a win. It sounds like you're having some kind of power mismatch with the rest of your table.

>>97494549
If some retard wants to intentionally inflict pointless stress and negative emotion upon themselves it's not my problem.

>>97494661
Storm isnt spellslinger, I can storm just fine in a variety of ways, but sure I'm happy to look. Money is no object.

>>97494629
play more cards with flashback/jumpstart
play past in flames
play creatures that return spell from gy to hand or let you cast them directly from gy

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>>97494677
>Storm isnt spellslinger

>>97494679
Check.
Check.
Hmmm, I dont really do that. Like Achaeomancer or whatever? I thought I was supossed to keep the creature count low for better probability hitting instants and sorceries.

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>>97494629
You run more card draw drug. If you're using wheels you're basically playing on easy mode.

>>97494693
Wheels arent even particularly good in spellslinger really weird thing to say.

>>97494688
>[Laughs in Galta]

>>97494693
Oh, so the deck should primarily be card draw. Fair enough, I thought 14 was a lot, I can juice it significantly.

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Now that the dust has settled; what FF commanders did you keep playing long term? Any ones you enjoyed more than expected?

>>97494793
no

>>97494793
Golbez is now my second favorite deck and I also really enjoy Clive.

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>>97494202
can't play it in bracket 3 because half the decks there are actually bracket 2
Dont worry the great filtering will begin soon

>>97494707
>A +6 isn't that good

>>97494793
Squall, to both answers. I initially thought he was unplayable dogshit, but he actually turned out to be one of the best voltron commanders in the game in my opinion (admittedly not a high bar since it's a relatively weak strategy in a 4 man game). His ability to constantly recur edict creatures, fetch lands, and artifacts your opponents destroy make him surprisingly hard to keep off the board, and a lot of powerful stax pieces are 3 or less cost so they're basically impossible to remove. You can also infinitely recur Cloud to use as a toolbox tutor for your equipment, and all the busted sword cards are 3 cost. I just wish he had one more color attached to him (preferably blue so you could play the rest of the FF8 cards for flavor).

>>97494793
>what FF commanders did you keep playing long term? Any ones you enjoyed more than expected?
I let valentine be the head of my mono B legends matter deck for a bit since its a dumping ground for my black goodstuff. I liked him but not as much as some of the previous heads of my nonsense pile

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>>97494793
I just really like chocobos and it's in a nice mid-range place powerwise for my local table's meta.

>>97494858
Correct assessment on squall, he's a voltron commander that does more than just be kingmaker like lightning does
Dont forget to run bouncelands so you have a discard outlet turn 2

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>>97494849
>"Hello little brother. Our time is soon."

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>>97494895
Om nom nom

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Is spellslinger the best theme if you want a deck that can win using interaction type cards?
(Through on cast ping effects to deal dmg)

If not what are some other themes or commanders that leverage interaction and removal to win?

>>97494793
I have a kind of functional golbez deck that I like a lot, it was definitely one of the more unexpected builds since I didn't go into the set looking to build him.

I have a bog standard Cloud deck that is just the upgraded precon but it's nice since I didn't have an equipment deck

My favorite is still definitely Yshtola as I think it's my most interesting deck, and I'm happy that it does fully function without her- it's a "draw extra cards to make stuff" with mill as the eventual payoff. But since there's so much natural card draw I can play a good amount of removal and play problem solver for the table even as I advance my own gameplan.

>>97494202
>using brackets
sucks to suck

>>97494847
What does your Golbez do? I've been thinking about building him but he seems kind of muddled between the wide artifact plan and the reanimator plan

>>97494947
>What does your Golbez do?
many things

>>97494888
Ah I didn't even think of that, good call.
Also checked and relevant numbers.

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I don't understand why this card gets such a bad rap.
Like Temple of the False God and shit I understand, tapped duals I understand, but Reliquary Tower? It's an extremely comfy effect to have with minimal opportunity cost and any deck with copious draw has a high chance of getting value from it.
If you're 4/5c or super pip dense I can see it tapping for colorless being a real downside but if you can't see yourself getting incidental value out of it you're not running enough draw.

>>97495012
It was an overly recommended staple in the early days of the format and people overcorrected. You're not wrong that most two color decks can find room for it, but also manual discard is not only rare but for it to force you to discard something you need later is even rarer. Games aren't slow enough anymore for that sort of resource accrual to matter, engines and synergies end games rather than raw card draw.

>>97495012
Mostly because people overvalue it. If you're discarding to hand size, it usually means:
>You built your deck poorly (you're not able to play the cards in your hand)
>You're about to win anyway (you are able to play the cards in your hand and still got 8+)
There's some cases it's useful, but a lot of the time it ends up being a way to kick the can down the road with bad deckbuilding choices.

>>97495012
It was a ubiquitous staple for years when it had no reason to be, once people got a bit more knowledgeable they over-corrected. That being said; it is a bit whatever; a lot of times it can be pretty winmore, and there are so many solid colourless utility lands now

>>97494934
>can't play in weaker pods because people don't run interaction
>can't play it in in-between pods because half the decks there are actually precons that have 5 cards replaced, and its a toss up if the players have any game sense
>can't play it in cedh because people don't play for the board

>>97495012
I don't often need to be holding 7+ cards in hand, nor get to that many

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>build 37 land deck
>goldfish it
>screw
>screw
>screw
>go up to 38

>play first real game with it
>flood

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>>97494793
Definitely picrel

>>97495078
Happens. I swear when I keep like a 4+ lander on archidekt just because I'm not getting good hands, THAT will be the run where my next 3 draws are all land

>>97495012
I run 5 colors and cannot even fit in 1 colorless land

when are they soft banning more shitty mechanics like mill and discard like they did mld? they deserve to be put in the brackets that they are unplayable in because they are only fun for the one guy that plays them and nobody else god dammit. no-one will miss them either

>>97495132
>Mill
UH-OH STINKY

>>97494793
Ardbert, Lyse, Omega, Kuja, Celes, Cloud, and Y'shtola were all built, played, and kept together. I built Esper G'raha Tia but I haven't gotten a chance to play it. I'm currently working on monoblack Vincent Valentine and Tellah has been taken for a few test runs but I'm not 100% finished with it. I still want to build Golbez, Choco, Clive, Ultima, Jenova, Boros Sephiroth, and maybe Estinien.
I like Final Fantasy.

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>>97494793
Been having a ball with this as Sultai sea monsters

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I was thinking of building Vivi but a friend told me he's doghshit outside of cEDH, has anyone played on a 3/4 bracket with him, how was it?

>>97495078
This is why I always do 100 goldfishes for the sample size. Sometimes variance happens.

>>97495194
Yes he is dogshit if you don't run any noncreature spells but aside from that he's very strong.

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>>97495132
Hate. I hate this post. I'll assume it's bait made just to make me mad. No way a human both plays for more than a year and feels this way.

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>>97493924

>they are saving the Lae'zel / Min drop for another 2 years

>>97495194
He's still excellent in those brackets since he's unable to do anything fair unless you're sandbagging and playing wrong on purpose.

>>97495194
Vivi is worse than flip ral in cedh and if you play vivi in a lower bracket you will 100% be hated out of the board

>>97494947
My golbez is a go wide and dump my deck into the graveyard and then use stupid creatures like the vanilla 7/2 from aetherdrift or revenant to ping everyone for increasing amounts, then pitch the stuff back into the graveyard using discard synergies to give me other cards I actually want to put on board. It's not really good but it is fun

>>97495012
As other anons have said, discarding to hand size is more of a "feels bad" problem more than it is ever a tactical or strategic one. any deck that uses rummage or loot effects is basically making the same choices, and people actively seek to put multiple of those effects in decks. There are always going to be cards that aren't AS useful in a given situation and with a 99 card library it's not like you won't draw other cards that do what you need.

There's also the old philosophy of looking at the number of cards in your library at the end of a game and knowing that any given card you discarded could have just been in the cards you didn't draw that game.

>>97491220
You sound like a blast to play with. Years ago, a few friends of mine and I would play with decks based on a few of the Ravnica guilds. We'd take hours for a single game because we'd play in character as representatives of our respective guilds.

>>97495194
He is at worst a 3cmc dork with a guttersnipe effect, 90% of izzet decks would be improved with a vivi in it somewhere

>>97495194
In bracket 3-4 you can still run curiosity so yeah it's still a strong deck. The only difference when it comes to the other brackets is fast mana and the best free counterspells.
So it's still pubstomp tier. Which is fine if the other players are playing the same type of deck.

>>97495218
>they are postponing two troons for another 2 years

based?

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>>97494793
she cute :)

>>97495269
There is no pubstomping teir?

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>>97494793
Pic related and landfall Tifa

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What deck will you be playing this week?

>>97494947
Spew artifacts to surveil and fill the graveyard. Make sure you have a lot of protection because once people know what you're doing they will group up on you, which is partially why I love the deck. I really feel like the villain of the table when I play it.
My favorite play I've ever made was casting Metalwork Colossus for free only to spell swindle it myself to gain a boatload of treasures that I then used to activate Gogo in my end step and triple Golbez's trigger. I then got back Metalwork Colossus, Death's Shadow, and Apocalypse Demon to hit the whole table for like 45 damage. One of those once in a blue moon plays that required everything to be in the perfect position but I sustained myself off that high for months.

>>97494793
I'm straight so I don't own any Final Faggotry cards, sorry

>>97494793
Still haven't built any of them yet, but I plan on trying Lyse, Hildibrand, The Emperor, and Zodiark at some point.

>>97494793
None I'm not a pedophile

>>97495367
All tier's are pubstomper if you want them to be, the bracket rules are garbage.

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>>97494793
>Tifas
I wanted to like the Italian Tifa, but she just isn't that fun. Wish she was Jeskai. Green Queen has become a fun deck because of how lethal she is and everyone sits there nervously watching to see when you're going to try and slam her down.

>Bant Yuna
Built her with summons. Extremely fun and flavorable. Biggest flaw is the total dearth of Saga Creatures that trigger her abilities, with barely a dozen cards to choose from. If wotc ever pulls its head out of their asses and actually supports new designs and we get new saga creatures she'll be even funner.

>Yshtola
Built her as a Nekusar/group hug deck where I hurl out cards and hurt people for drawing. Strong as hell but really it's hard to fuck her up. Kind of boring but I already had a Breena deck that had most of the cards so it cost little to make it esper.

>Blulu
Disappointing. Fun concept, but there just aren't enough stun counter cards currently in the game and in general it only affects voltron decks or decks running very few big creatures. Might get better with time.

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>>97495413
While true, the brackets are garbage, technically all the "pubstomping" was relegated up the brackets (the whole purpose of their design), which means that if the deck is legal in that bracket, it is no longer pubstomping.

>>97495413
Tell us your rule zeroes so we can break them and pubstomp you

>>97495429
there's too much variance in bracket 3, and bracket 4 is a joke

>>97495438
And why do you think that has anything to do with pubstomping?

>>97495209
they soft banned MY fun jank and there is no reason why they shouldn't extend this to other unfun mechanics
I will never not be mad I can't play blood moon against 5 color slop anymore without being called out.
others VILL pay and see how it feels when they are in the receiving end

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A card can only trigger or be activated X times per turn cycle, where X is how many turns the game has had.

So if you somehow blue ritualed out a rhystic study on turn 1 it could only trigger once until your next turn.

>>97495012
All the 'it isn't relevant anymore' posters are bad, the real reason it isn't as valued is because most decks are now 3+ color slop piles and having colorless lands is bad when you need to spend 1/3rd the deck just for fixing

>>97495479
Stop using brackets then. I don't have this issue.

>>97495479
>they soft banned MY fun jank
They soft banned chaining extra turns and mld because far too many people dont know how to win with them and simply durdle and waste everyone's time, same idea with selfish johnnies durdling with paradox engine and that's why that thing will never see the light of day again
Discard and mill may make other people angry, but what they dont do make the cardinal sin of wasting people's time, they actually make games exciting as they boil down to who topdecks the bomb

>>97495479
So your plan is to... complain? Damn bro, bretty gay. I just want them to unban Paradox engine.

make control great again

>>97495506
discard and topdecking is the definition of time wasting tho

>>97495508
why are you complaining?

>Next week is our post-B&R show. So we have a banned and restricted announcement coming next Monday, the same day as the D&D secret lair drop sale. So, you know, stop by for the drop, check out the B&R announcement, and then the next day on Tuesday will be the weekly MTG show where we talk about what happened on Monday and what we announced. This B&R is special. As a reminder, we not only have our regular B&R announcement, but we're doing commander as well. So we've been talking about the commander format committee for a while. They've come back with some recommendations and some changes. So we'll be announcing those next Monday in addition to our 60 card constructed formats.

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>>97495530
If topdecking was a waste of time /ygo/ wouldnt exist you dingus

>>97494793
Jenova has been my jam for the past year. Everyone underestimated her

>>97495556
Playing yugioh is a waste of time

>>97495479
Your "fun jank" was also mechanically overpowered in ways no one enjoyed. Mill isn't good at all outside of specific combos that are telegraphed by your commander being exactly Bruvac. Mechanically it does nothing until it wins though deckout since the cards being milled weren't in rotation while in your deck and are now exposed to the game state by being in the graveyard. Discard is annoying but it's not a well supported strategy in commander and has a bit of a ceiling due to your opponents always having access to their command zone. Mana spent on discards would be better off spent on removal and counterspells since you draw less aggro, can hit the opponent's commander, have a lot more options, can play at instant speed, and act after the opponent has spent their mana.

>>97495556
Yugi has crazed deck manipulation powers; Yami Yugi literally has an ability to manipulate his top deck at any time along with the rules of the game to win.

>>97495540
I'm not, you're being a big fag.

>>97495563
It's a mighty great success for konami though so thanks for proving topdecks are good

>>97495574
>along with the rules of the game to win.
All his opponents did this so it's only fair.

>>97495568
Behold: The Opinion of a Guy Stupider than the Stupid Guy He Was Arguing With. Impressive.

>>97495586
Nice argument retard.

>>97495581
While true, he was the tippy top of the bullshit calvinball pyramid and just flagrantly cheated all the time. So did his opponents, but it's not a good example of top decks being cool. Now Archfiend Decks and Hellbent. That shit is cool.

>>97495592
Why would I argue with a dumbass who only plays commander and doesnt understand why interacting with lands is important to the health of the game? I was insulting you for being stupider than a stupid guy saying incredulous bullshit. There was no argument.

>>97495604
You interact with lands by being the first to combo off

>>97495574
yah huh

a reminder that this hobby is already a waste of time so there is nothing wrong with long games

>>97495604
We're not having a conversation about 60 card. I can talk about the intricacies of hand ripping and milling opponents in Yugioh too if you want to go completely off topic. I can write an entire master's thesis about Tearlaments, Runick, Gishki hand loop FTK, and Dark World but that wouldn't have much to do with EDH in /edhg/.

>>97495630
BUT MORE GAMES = BETTER

>>97495614
You're a cool guy. We are friends.

>>97495632
We arent having a conversation at all. You're being insulted for being stupid, and dont drag Dark World into this.

>>97495556
YGO also bans every way to consistently handrip your opponent because as it turns out Forceful Sentry and Confiscate aren't good design yet people will endlessly cope about Thoughtseize and Grief.

>>97492976
>As expected of country grown vegetables
Yo been a while since I last saw you schizoanon how have you been. Got any new deck posts for your excel?

>>97495654
That's because you cant reliably draw cards in yugioh you dork.

>>97495654
A thoughtseize that makes your opponents reveal their hands on top of taking a card from the biggest threat is all i want

>>97495429
No anon you see, we built brackets to streamline powerlevels instead of going with vives, but if you just adhere to the rules of the brackets you're doing It wrong, you have to go with vives. Brackets are very smart

>>97495659
Someone remembered me? I'm honored. I took about a year break; didnt want to be around for the whole Spiderman Final Fantasy nonsense. It blew over nicely. My friend nagged me to come back, I had fun playing some of the top tiers, so here I am. I posted my crazed Zuko deck the other day along with my pet Yawgmoth deck. Saw some familiar posters. Good times. The excel sheet? I'm mad at excel for getting a stupid update at my job that corrupted a fuckload of data due to a cloud sync issue, but you're right. I could start it up again. Mostly wrote a book.

How have you been keeping? Staying out of trouble?

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How's the hollanigga? This and Rielle are decks that interest me a lot but I'm aware they're different. Who is better? Who is more fun?

>>97495739
I'd pick the shark pirate wearing poofy pants over a grandma imo

>>97495739
Holler is pretty fun and has the tremendous upside of teaching commanderbabs it's okay to discard your own stuff.

>>97495716
Learn to threat assess then. You already get to see their whole hand so picking the correct player is the bare minimum.

>>97495729
Oh I've actually mostly quit. I could't stand the UB shitstorm so I just play some games here and there with all proxied decks at home with friends since my LGS wouldn't allow them. I come back here every few months to ragebait so not fully out of trouble hehe

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>>97495679
Damn guess it was all my imagination.

>>97495766
Reminder that you ultimately have three (3) opponents
>but that'll powercreep thoughtseize!
Lol

>>97495791
I'm sorry it's too hard for you to figure out who the threat is without seeing their whole hand in addition to all other information.

>>97495794
Proof of thoughtseize being used in cedh next thread?

>>97495800
Proof of you not being brown next thread?

>>97495752
>>97495758
Any tips for him? On first sight I'm guessing I should value creatures with other various effects (so Scrounging skyraider and Sirena stormtamer are ok but Slither blade is a trap) Also I should incorporate some spellslinger element to cast a lot of looting spells since free/cheap repeatable discards are sparse?

>>97495809
Concession accepted

>>97495817
I accept your concession.

>>97495819
Ok brownie

>>97495823
Darkie mad no MH4 this year for Grief 2.

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>>97495776
Glad to hear it. Ganbatte kudasai, I'm proud of you. Remember, we're here forever, we're all going to make it, and I spent way too long selecting this meme for you.

>>97495843
>brownie mad that discard is fine but mld is not lol

>>97495716
Valki is pretty close. Ive been brewing that

>>97495851
Darkie seething Tergrid is still a GC

>>97495433
I wouldn't rule zero because I'm not a fag.

>>97495864
I play bracket 3 which is a designated no brownie zone

>>97495849
Cheers anon, have a nice run

>>97495864
absolutely Epstein brained

Wait, people know eachother here? There are regulars?

>>97495943
Just pay a bit of attention to posting style, catchphrases, files attached, etc
If you're racist it is easier

>>97495963
>catchphrases, files attached
This only works until people begin adopting it as a meme

t. Guy who started "this didn't happen btw"

>>97495943
Always has been. Why are you surprised a general that's been around a decade and a half has consistent posters?

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>Playing multicolor commander
>80% or more of the deck is a the same color

I dont know why but this bothers the hell out me when building a deck.

I actually like playing against mld because it's the only time I can play my mono-blue control deck and not be the bad guy at the table.
It packs 32 counter spells btw

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>>97495556
>>97495574
Yugi didn't have powers he was just a filthy cheater.

>I draw. I don't want this card. I'm drawing again.
>Yugi you can't do that. That's against the rules.
>You retard.

>>97496082
>Yugi didn't have powers he was just a filthy cheater.
No it is literally canon that he can manipulate the top of his deck via magic. Ishizu says it flat out.

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>>97496022
>It packs 32 counter spells btw
holy BASED

How to become /edhg/ regular?

>>97495574
>Yami Yugi literally has an ability
To be ENTIRELY accurate it's the millennium puzzle's power to manipulate fate, not something that the pharaoh has direct control over

>>97496117
That sounds an awful lot like cheating but with magic.

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I counter your spell. Oh, my turn? I draw and hit you with a bird. Scry 2 your go.

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>>97495194
tldr, get in the cage

>>97496180
Building this as a polymorph deck right now. Having fun doing it, have 3 cards left to include, wondering what to add.

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Post your super secret underrated tech.

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>>97496265