>>97491663
>Which one do you you'll actually get?
*which one do you think you'll get?

Why do we let idiots make new threads?
>Generic meme for OP
>Not even tangentially related to anything supernatural
OP is an unfunny fag. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’ll try and get is thread back on course:

Can I play as a Ravnos whose vice is rape?

>>97491723
Never played WoD, are you saying there's no humiliation factory where talking cats with ties go to work, in this game?

>>97491723
>Can I play as a Ravnos whose vice is rape?
Not at my fucking table.

>>97491738
the technocracy does have them and by lobotomising and humiliating these cats they can produce banality that they put in jet fuel to kill fairies who walk under the chemtrails

or what did you think cats where always dumb? there is a reason the Egyptians worshipped them

>>97491738
I'm sure Pentex has one.

>>97491663
>tell me about your character,
KYS Hedgefag

Go away and stay gone

>>97491723
the meme is a reference to me the OP deciding to do what this >>97490959 anon said and then having this thread get picked up as spam which caused me to spend an hour editing the questions until I got past it because I am to retarded not to waste my time

>>97491759
Yeah, a plant you can't even smoke doesn't make for a compelling vice that would create interesting complications in the course of a campaign.

My character is not on the list

This questionnaire needs work.

Does Rötschreck also count as frenzy in the context of the Calm Heart merit?

>>97491663
>Tell me about your character, your game, your favorite splat, your favorite sect in that splat
Honestly I don't remember shit about any of the Camarilla characters in the actual books. I like the faction's gimmick but at the end of the day I don't remember shit about them beyond the basics.

>>97491764
No games?

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>>97491663
>tell me about your character, your game, your favorite splat, your favorite sect in that splat.
My Kitsune is still a WIP, so I'll go with my old Princess who was heavily inspired by picrel. She was Court of Storms and part of a mixed-splat CofD chronicle.
>what are some homebrews you use at your table
The old chronicle was riddled with them. The only one the ST has told us for our impeding Changing Breeds game is some adjustment to how rage impacts normal people.
>do you play in person, online, or through posts?
In person at a hobby store.
>what is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
I know the answer but if I tell you then they will know.
>if you were to be embraced which clan would you hope for?
Tremere.
>Which one do you you'll actually get?
Probably Toreador.
>traditions or technocracy?
That's tough. The Traditions seem more fun but I do have a certain fondness for stability.
>favourite merit, favourite flaw?
Don't have either.
>is your character on the list?
What list?
>Favorite fan-made splat?
Princess the Hopeful (honorable mention to Leviathan the Primoridal).
>have you played wraith?
No, but there was a wraith NPC whom I interacted with extensively in the old chronicle.
>You know what? fuck this thread! what is the best edition?
CofD did a lot right but overall I think OWoD had more soul.
>what is your haven like?
Last chronicle it was a hotel ripped right out of the show Angel.
>how does it feel to be a no-games?
Wouldn't know.
>how Gothic is your game?
Lightly to moderately, I guess.
>thoughts on malkavians?
If you're playing a malk for laughs, you've never been around someone with a significant mental illness.

>>97492144
>Princess the Hopeful (honorable mention to Leviathan the Primoridal).

Did they share the link for the newer version of leviathan? Princess is pretty neat but I have a hard time picturing a game where their stuff complements the scenario.

>>97491723
>Can I play as a Ravnos whose vice is rape?
Too close to normal feeding to work as a weakness.

>>97491663
I appreciate your post, but what is this autistic thread question?

>>97492285
Someone made a joke last thread about not being able to choose a single TQ and people ran with it.

>>97492291
Fair though I think a questionnaire about splat for an RP thread would have been better. Beggars can't be choosers though

>>97492155
>Did they share the link for the newer version of leviathan?
Sorry, I've not kept tabs on it.

>>97492304
>a questionnaire about splat for an RP thread
We did it last time although it was a normal post.

>>97490137
Both the Arcanum and the SoL were mocked so I guess they were treared equally .

>>97492662
It's sort of just been anon freeform opinions though but yeah
>>97492674
Based dabbing on Arcanum-fags

>>97491229
What ARE the pure? I haven't played wtf for a while but I remember them being rather tame for an "evil counterpart" of a splat. Like more akin to rival tribes less BSD

>>97492977
they're not the capital E evil werewolves, that's the Bale Hounds. They're incredibly upset at the status quo of the world that they believe is the Forsaken's fault and will kill them for it though

>>97492774
I don't think there's a single anon here who likes the Arcanum, they're not even real hunters

Everyone talks about the beat edition of vampire all the time but was the best edition of Mage? I've read that revised forces you to be a wage instead of a mage.

>>97493010
for mage the majority opinion here seems to be rule from revised + lore from second edition

>>97492977
Forsaken sort of has a political divide in the Werewolves with Uratha and Pure, it's more like Pure are werewolf supremacists and Uratha are just doing their job. They're not hilariously evil like BSD are but they're certainly a few shades more black
>>97493002
I like the Arcanum but it's a specific flavor of hunter or game that doesn't mesh well with actual hunting. It's more like Paranormal Investigator-like, I think that could be cool. Like an urban legends collector.

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This is how I Nephandi.

Taste my holy wrath, corrupt souls.

>>97493010
I remember reading that Spheres were ass to work with until revised made them somewhat more mechanical

>>97493010
20th felt like it was up its own ass and I lost steam before I ever got to the mechanics, to the point I suddenly veer into an unrelated tangent of wondering if a marauder has ever made someone find christmas presents tucked up their own hiney

>>97493010
You get to be both if you're a technocrat

>>97492977
The Pure are basically the Garou nation but more eager to deal with spirits of basically any kind for power.
This puts them at odds with the Forsaken because those mother fuckers are supposed to stay in the spirit world rather than possessing people or causing chaos to eat more essence.

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>>97492144
>CofD did a lot right but overall I think OWoD had more soul.
How do you think history would have been different if the Chronicles of Darkness came before the World of Darkness?

>>97492977
>I haven't played wtf for a while but I remember them being rather tame for an "evil counterpart" of a splat. Like more akin to rival tribes less BSD
Then you have memory issues or your GM was an incompetent, because the Pure's plan for the world is a prehistoric savage wasteland where spirits rampage all over the place with impunity and the Pure rule over humanity, which is kept as slave chattel. So the Impergium from W:tA.

Even the WtF fans are thin-skinned, it seems...

>>97493026
seems like 2e is the best version for most splats in terms of lore and setting. cool.

>>97493010
Maybe, just maybe, you could get people to agree that M20 is the worst edition (until M5 comes at least).
But the best? No one will ever agree, especially because unlike >>97493026 most people leave the "with my choice of lore bits and houserules" part out of "X edition is the best!".

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>>97493141
Nah, what you described is one of the ToJ scenario endings.
>>97493159
Have a (You)
Because you making the "x fans are thin-skinned" your catchphrase is funny as fuck you troll.

>>97493010
Dark Ages

>>97493300
>Nah, what you described is one of the ToJ scenario endings.
That... doesn't mean that it isn't also the Pure's goal. They want to bring back Pangaea with unlimited spirit activity

>>97491663
>character, your game, your favorite splat, your favorite sect in that splat.
Magnificent Bastard Scheming Blood Sorcerer, finished/dead game, VtM, Tremere
>what are some homebrews you use at your table
None
>do you play in person, online, or through posts?
In person around a table, fuck internet groups
>what is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
African or European?
>if you were to be embraced which clan would you hope for?
Perferably i wouldnt. I have a family that i love & being a vampire woukd fuck that up. If it cant be helped, Tremere or Caitiff, I either want access to powers, or to be left the fuck alone. Trying to fight your way to the top without magic would just be lame. Maybe a weirdo blood line like Maeghar
>Which one do you you'll actually get?
I have terrible luck. Id get something like Nosferatu
>traditions or technocracy?
Etherite or Hollow One
>favourite merit, favourite flaw?
Merit; Invocation, let's you make trinkets & magic circles & stuff that let's you do stuff just a little easier. Easily better than all the other -2difficulty merits. Half Life is another interesting one because its such an odd one
Flaw; to me. Flaws are much more character based than merits. Flaws really define a character so there isnt one that i like more than others.
>is your character on the list?
He puts others on the list & then takes them out. He probably belongs on the list
>Favorite fan-made splat?
My own bullshit
>have you played wraith?
No, but I would like to
>You know what? fuck this thread! what is the best edition?
20th +digging up old stuff for most things
>what is your haven like?
If I told you, it wouldnt be much of a haven now would it?
>how does it feel to be a no-games?
It feels bad. Im in a constant state of near suicidal depression & the only thing that keeps it at bay is to tinker with game systems for the novelty
>how Gothic is your game?
Pretty gothic
>thoughts on malkavians?
Wonderful allies, even more wonderful enemies

>>97493010
First edition is rough and doesn't have much to it, but it has a clear direction for the setting and how a game based in it should be played and the mood players should be aiming for.
Second edition smooths down the rough edges and vastly expands the scope of the setting to allow the players to do a lot of crazy things, muddying the mood, theme and direction.
Revised edition cuts a lot of the scope creep for better or worse and establishes a clearer direction for the setting, to prepare it for the Time of Judgement and the setting's climactic finale.
Twentieth anniversary edition assumes that the Time of Judgement never happened and just serves as a depository for almost everything from the second and revised editions, plus some questionable alterations after over twenty years of hindsight.

This is generally true for all of the World of Darkness lines. If you want the "peak" World of Darkness experience, you will almost always want to play the second edition of whatever line you're interested in, with all of the weirdness that it accumulates over almost ten years before the "course correction" of Revised deletes half of it.

>>97491663
I got a question. Wouldn’t it be hard, or even useless, to have 4 to 5 dots in Ressource in a Tradition Mage game? Unless it comes from an inheritance or something, wouldn’t the Syndicate screw you over your money just by virtue of being part of the Technocracy? Like unless you somehow managed to keep your identity a secret from the NWO, either men in black comes and seizes your assets because you’re a reality deviant, or corpo mages do Wall Street manipulation magic and you’re out of business.

>>97491723
>Can I play as a Ravnos whose vice is rape?
That's just a normal indian.

>>97493010
Revised mixed with 2nd.
Ignore the Avatar Storm.

>>97493454
>with all of the weirdness that it accumulates over almost ten years before the "course correction" of Revised deletes half of it.
This seems to be a recurring theme in this story. What were the writers, developers, money men at White Wolf thinking when they dumped revised and eventually reached the clusterfuck that is time of judgment? "Oh, let's just end all our worlds and settings! this surely will be good!" is such a baffling decisions and way of thinking that I can't find any logic in it. If like they decided to commit suicide back then and never recovered after that.

>>97493467
It depends on the nature of the Resources and whether the mage has a good selection of Spheres for defending it or easily recouping any lost Resources.

The Technocracy might have a hard time keeping a mage poor, if they can turn lead into gold, hypnotise venture capitalists into giving them millions or bind spirits of the Digital Web into serving as protectors of their bank accounts.

>>97493131
As much as I enjoy CofD I doubt it would be the default urban fantasy game WoD ended up as. On the bright side the core engine would be a lot less shit.

>>97493608
>The Technocracy might have a hard time keeping a mage poor, if they can turn lead into gold
That could be a decent idea unless you overdo it and you're marked for priority defaulting for devaluing gold.

>>97493300
Now I'm curious, what's the weaver ending? Reality frozen in time like a photo?

>>97493705
You would need a lot more gold than a single mage can produce to fuck with the economy in a meaningful way.

>>97493718
Something like that or her taking over and becoming a hive mind.

>>97493718
Pave paradise & put up a parking lot.

Fake trees that look like real trees. Astroturf. Fake rivers mortared in with hidden plastic jets &, tubes. Etc. It'd be the Truman Show where the sky itself is artificial & the sun is on a timer

>>97492977
The Pure are the result of a political schism way back in pre-history. They're not BSD equivalents where they're fundamentally altered by a spiritual corruption, that'd be Bale Hounds, they're more like a Sabbat equivalent. Not ontologically evil, but practically evil.

The initial schism was predicated essentially on the grounds of what to do now that papa wolf is dead, and the gauntlet proper was thrown up. The Forsaken Tribes accepted the oath of the moon, wherein they must continue the duties of the father they killed and keep balance between the worlds of Spirit and Flesh. The Pure tribes said "that's gay as fuck, go to hell mom, we should be running this shit not playing hall monitor." The Pure hate the moon so much that they actively make themselves weaker by "flaying" their auspices off in an incredibly painful ritual. To make up for this, and also out of mutual interest against the Forsaken, they make far more frequent pacts with spirits and thus usually have stronger totems. What's very interesting about the Pure is that while they agree on the broad strokes of what to do (more spirits, return the world to a more primal state, reclaim our birthright as its rulers), the three Pure tribes would probably start fighting each other if they ever wiped out the Forsaken.

Predator Kings are the most unga bunga motherfuckers. They want outright return to monke. The world returned to a state of nature wherein they can hunt with impunity.

The Ivory Claws on the other hand, would want to rule over pillars of light like conan-esque warrior kings, while producing two dozen inbred freak babies with their cousin, because they're that kind of old money family.

Lastly the Fire-Touched think in more mystical terms. Their goal is, in extreme layman's terms, to bring a sort of nirvana to earth, with all things becoming one and connected as the spirit and flesh meld together. A very dark, mindbreak-y form of world peace through an all-encompassing religion.

>>97493718
Depends on the scenario. For that scenario, just like how the Wyrm's victory doesn't result in the total destruction of everything, the Weaver's victory doesn't result in the stasis of everything. Instead, everything supernatural dies off, leaving a world where humans are able to preserve civilisation and re-establish themselves as the dominant force and recover from a shards of a destroyed moon crashing into the Earth. It's accepted that the Weaver ending is one of the two "good" endings, with the Wyld ending featuring the annihilation of human civilisation and human progress being thrown back millions of years, but the preservation of magic and the natural world.

>>97493803
>>97493718
I imagine the true end goal of the weaver is like static reality 2.0 where everything is just a shaped mass that can't move. 0 Entropy whatsoever

>>97493891
The Wyrm's victory will result in total destruction of everything *eventually*. First, a millennia of murder-rape-kill-pillage-corporate enslavement though
>>97493705
>>97493788
Wouldn't creating value via gold be one of the ways you get fucked by paradox more? Gold and precious metals kind of exist on a mental spectrum of limited quantity

>>97493955
Anon... people think good comes from the store. They dont know shit about gold

>>97494017
*food

>>97493131
>How do you think history would have been different if the Chronicles of Darkness came before the World of Darkness?
That is a very interesting question. I'm not much of a vampire fan so I'm not sure if Requiem would have caught on as well as Masquerade. I do think that if OWoD came AFTER that it would not have been well-received.

>>97493718
>Now I'm curious, what's the weaver ending? Reality frozen in time like a photo?
Some book described it as the entire world being like a theme park. Which sounds pretty sweet to me.

>>97493955
Just like how people on /wodg/ are far too liberal about what causes Banality, they're far too liberal about what causes Paradox. As long as what you're transforming into gold makes some sense and is accompanied by a suitably advanced process that matches the mage's paradigm.

An alchemist turning a few hundred grams of lead into gold with a chemistry set and a lot of work is coincidental. A mage waving a hand and turning a person into a gold statue is vulgar.

need me a Get gf that will punch me in the face and then kiss me desu

>>97493608
>turn the spirits of the Digital Web into defenders of their bank account
I have had a wonderful idea for a heist arc in a Werewolf game.

>>97494211
>Some book described it as the entire world being like a theme park. Which sounds pretty sweet to me.
Whether that's the case depends on if you are a guest or staff.

>>97493891
Honestly? The weaver scenario sounds like a bit more Iteratorpilled version of static reality (forma de technocracy). As long as I get to be a cyborg I'm ok with it.

>>97494258
To add to that, ''finding'' a ton of gold in the ground is also coincidental, but if you do it too much it may attract attention.

Why does Quietus have a punch of discipline effects referencing Baal?

Is it meant to imply that there is some special evil in it like the whole thing with Vicissitude and the Eldest/Kupala? Did Quietus get named by Carthaginians? Is it meant to reference "hunting" Baal, given the typical hostility between the children of Haqim and the Baali?

Also, what would you say is the sorcery least evil/likely to be corrupted by a demon or worse? Dur-an-ki? One of the anarch paths?

What are the spirits that the Children of Damballah and the Serpents of Light deal with? Banes?

Or did a Setite bloodline of all people somehow manage to loop their corruption all around to the point that they can have good interactions with Gaian spirits?

>>97494376
I don't know much of about the assamites, but the least evil blood magic is just regular old non-dark thamauturgy. Of course least is doing some heavy lifting here, but standard tremere thaumaturgy is just regular blood magic barely divorced from its hermetic origin. No demons, no Wyrm/Apophis shenanigans, no Kupala, no tearing down the gauntlet bullshit, etc.

>>97494342
For the Apocalypse scenario that's actually focused on the Weaver, rather than just the Weaver ending of the Apocalypse scenario focused on Rorg, it's a lot darker.

In the Weaver Ascendant, if the Weaver goes full steam ahead and makes the Gauntlet so thick that the Umbra is completely cut off from the physical world, everything in the Tellurian ends up dying, including the Weaver. If the Weaver practises some restraint and leaves the Gauntlet just permeable enough, there's enough of a connection that both worlds continue to survive, but without any sort of magic in the physical realm. Reality becomes an emotionless, unchanging clockwork dystopia and the Umbra becomes a reflection of it, locked forever in almost perfect stasis.

But the Weaver Ascendant assumes that you're playing a "Weaver is the real bad guy" style of chronicle and if that's not your taste, that's fine.

>>97494376
Much as I would love to make the Ass*mites ontologically evil like Tziggers, I think it's just the result of the Clan being old and for a long time deeply rooted in the middle east. Dagon was a Mesopotamian god, and he's referenced in another Quietus power. Marduk is referenced in a ritual and he's another important one. The likes of Baal and Moloch were also legitimate deities that got recast as villains, false gods, and demons in the Abrahamic faiths because of some beef the ancient Jews had with their worshippers.

Thus, the names are probably a hold-over from their earlier nights. As for what the least likely to be corrupted form of blood magic is. I'd have to say Tremere Thaumaturgy unironically. It doesn't use spirits, deities, or any other sort of intercessor in casting the magic. It's still based on hermetic principles, which are fairly anthropocentric.

>>97494308
>Whether that's the case depends on if you are a guest or staff.
Fair, but I know a couple of girls who both work in theme parks and they both claim it's not as terrible as many believe.

if you had to make a WoD tv-show what would it be about? which splats? live action or animated?

>it's 2036
>episode 10 of Hunter the Parenting is finally out
>they've started the Fae/Changeling arc
>the new episode is 3 hours of talking that introduces 15 new characters to the roster of 300
>we still haven't finished the Vampire, Werewolf, Mage or Demon arc
>we still don't know who the ghoul in Arcanum chapter house is
>Kevin still hasn't seen any action and has barely appeared in ''mainline'' episodes
>Big D is still jobbing and the cope that he's secretly God or a mummy has reached mythical proportions
>Marckus is still lost in the Umbra
>this hasn't stopped him from appearing though. He's been in 5 flashback audiodramas and 2 episodes where he talks to the party via enchanted mirror (the first of which contains 50 minutes of Big D explaining how the mirror's simple Spirit/Correspondence effect works)
>the creators announce that the series is going on hiatus since they'll be focusing the next two years on half-life zero viscosity the remake and recording the audio for Norfolk Wizard Game play session number 50 (we're still on episode 7)

>>97494609
If I actually wanted to make money, I'd just do some faggy vampire melodrama for one of the big streaming services. It'd be one of the only ways to not make it absolutely normie-repellent.

But for me personally? I'd just adapt one of my table's Hunter: the Vigil games as an animated series. Nobody has the budget or frankly technical expertise anymore for good special effects in live action, especially for things like flashy magical abilities. Animation has to be the way to go if you want to actually convey magic well.

>>97494609
>WoD TV Show
Live-Action, True Crime
>Which Splats
Hunters Hunted 2 with some V5/Vigil included
>Whats it about
X-Files but with vampires werewolfs and ghosts and throw some supernatural pretty boys in to get the female audience. DO NOT include any Mage shit, too complicated and nerdy for a general audience.

Just printed Paradox a billion dollars hopefully now they can fund a not shit bloodlines game.

>>97494616
>he thinks Norfolk Wizard Game will have reached 6 episodes by 2036

>>97494609
>Hunter

The ultimate meme splat

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>>97494616
Grim.

I do find it funny that, before they stopped regarding the audiologs as "supplemental", Kevin was only in one episode, as a one-note antagonist. Imagine not watching the audiologs and having no idea he's now an ally.

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>>97494681
>he killed a methuselah
funny thing is that anyone with a basic flamethrower can do this, yes even (you)

>>97493816
Appreciate the explanation anon, the Fire-Touched sound interesting. They want to break the gauntlet down and return the world to Pangea basically?

niggas out here going "oh I will summon the sun!" or "I will turn the air into silver!" like bro you can just deal aggravated damage with prime 2

>>97494736
>dealing aggro at prime 2

How?

Someone needs to stat out Jeffrey Epstein and pick which splat he's in while it's still topical

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>>97494744
granted it's not free but you can do it

>>97494744
I think it's just a simple rote, you enchant your weapon using quintessence.

>>97494686
>Gnosis
>Arcana
>Hithimu
>Hishu form
Only in the Chronicles of Fagness, my friend.

>>97494798
Shut up, Wednesday

>>97494698
That'd have to be a pretty shitty methuselah if you can get into flamethrower range and have time to fire and hit it. Physically focused ones should be able to cut your head clean off before you can react. Non-physical ones should be untargetable or able to make you flamethrower yourself.

>>97494755
We already went over it. He's a Setite Ghoul, he followed the Setite playbook page for page.

>>97494810
>Setite Ghoul

Not even a full template??? RIP

>>97494810
>>97494820
Yeah, he earned his Embrace. Why do you think they faked his death?

>>97494833
genuinely might be the person that deserves to join the Setites the most in all of human history

>>97494820
It'd be giving him too much credit. Besides which, he went out in the sun, and it'd be giving him too much credit to make him a Methuselah.

Don't get me wrong, the stuff he did was heinous, and it's concerning that he was involved with so many high-profile people, but he wasn't the evil genius some people have been trying to characterize him as. An evil genius wouldn't have burned half the bridges he built, actually got caught for what he was doing, and ended up getting whacked in a prison cell. He was a megalomaniac with some utterly batshit ideas and wormed his way into certain elite circles as a fixer and pimp with absolutely zero scruples, from there, he'd use the fucked-up things he provided for those rich and famous people to keep them in his sphere of influence.

Which is unironically how the Followers of Set prefer to operate, down to doing all this half for his own sick indulgence, and half to cultivate the connections and capital for his batshit (and esoteric/religious) ideas. But he fucked it up, ended up burning those bridges, largely because he forgot himself, I'd wager. For that reason I'd have to disagree with the other posters, I doubt the Setites would embrace him. He can walk the degenerate walk, but he got caught, and by the normies no less. Not worthy of the embrace.

>>97494755
My world of darkness is brighter than our own

>>97493584
Unfortunately, the biggest problem with a metaplot is eventually you write yourself into a corner. Also, while CofD was never as successful as WoD, it did fine up until the entire market shit the bed.

>>97494705
Fire-Touched are pretty interesting. Yeah they want to break down the gauntlet and return to Pangaea, but their notion of what that actually looks like is more religious and esoteric. Unity, harmony, love. Spirit and Flesh freely comingling. Most genuinely believe it'd be heaven on earth.

Which is the fun part about the Fire-Touched, they really go against type when it comes to werewolves. Combining their lack of an auspice with the shadow gifts they have an affinity for, they're definitely the least good in a direct fight of any tribe. I mean, they can still enter their war form and start ripping things up, but it's not their specialty, nor is it something the Fire-Touched like to do. They want their enemies to come over to their way of thinking. Now this might involve outright brainwashing, but still. If they capture a Forsaken Werewolf, they'll try to convert them into joining the Pure. Same for anyone, really, they want everyone to join in their cult. Their ability to spread like, well, fire, can make them excellent for a lycanthropy as disease plot, without actually making lycanthropy a disease with all the logistical baggage that entails. Spreading through the area, converting your friends, your family, there's a lot of good material there.

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>>97493816
The Fire-Touched would probably remain aligned with the Predator Kings since Rabid Wolf sided with them because Dire Wolf is the oldest and should be in charge.

>>97494755
Human or fomori member of the Seventh Generation.

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Should I buy the 20th anniversary edition off eBay? I’m completely new to this setting and interested in it

>>97495237
If it's cheap enough sure. 20th is a good enough noob edition.

>>97495237
If it is Vampire the Masquerade, go ahead, enough people play it that you should be able to make use of it.

If it is any of the other games, I would advise against it unless you personally has a passion for it, as Werewolf, Mage, Wraith and Changeling are all a struggle to find groups for and even combined, their popularity doesn't match Vampire's.

>>97494905
Given that Epstein was a pseud (source: his emails, his Bannon interview) maybe making him a low-level Mage would be fitting.

>>97495066
>CofD was never as successful as WoD

It's important to remember that CofD = nWoD. They had to rename it for IP reasons, and efforts to pretend that CofD != WoD are legal copes.

>>97495452
Alright, the period of the World of Darkness that was previously referred to as the new World of Darkness but was renamed to Chronicles of Darkness because of IP reasons was never a successful as the period of the World of Darkness that was previously referred to as the old World of Darkness but came to recognised simply as the World of Darkness due to the renaming of the Chronicles of Darkness because of IP reasons thereby making it redundant to label that particular period as the old World of Darkness.

Hopefully that's clearer.

>>97495481
Odd as it may seem, I was there for the transition from oWoD to nWoD, and there was so much overlap. People would carry oWoDisms over into nWoD all the time and it was regarded mostly as a system with the explicit option to omit the metaplot.

>>97495481
As the original person who that guy responded to, I'm afraid I must correct you: the period of the World of Darkness that was previously referred to as the new World of Darkness but was renamed to Chronicles of Darkness because of IP reasons was never a successful as the period of the World of Darkness, that was previously referred to as the old World of Darkness, but then referred to as classic World of Darkness with the release of the 20th anniversary books, but eventually came to be recognized simply as the World of Darkness due to the renaming of the Chronicles of Darkness because of IP reasons thereby making it redundant to label that particular period as the old World of Darkness.

>>97495515
>it was regarded mostly as a system with the explicit option to omit the metaplot
I don't really agree with the idea that something about the World of Darkness (and when I say the World of Darkness, I mean the period of the World of Darkness that was previously referred to as the old World of Darkness before the period that was previously referred to as the new World of Darkness was renamed to the Chronicles of Darkness) prevented people from excluding the metaplot from their games, while the Chronicles of Darkness (and when I say the Chronicles of Darkness, I mean the period of the World of Darkness that was previously referred to as the new World of Darkness before it was renamed to the Chronicles of Darkness) allows its players to ignore the metaplot in a way that is somehow unique to that system, rather than something that can be done by any group with any game.
>>97495545
My bad, thank you for the correction.

>>97495570
This is extremely autistic

>>97495481
In my mind, World of Darkness refers to the whole thing, old, new and 5th are just different parts of it. Like main DC and Absolute DC are both part of DC comics.

>>97495579
The point is that >>97495452 knows exactly what people mean when they say WoD and CofD and his argument that CofD is indistinguishable from WoD is built entirely on semantic nitpickery, so I was making fun of him for it.

>>97495066
>the biggest problem
Yeah, ok. I understand this on principle. My problem is that Forgotten Realms, DnD in general and other many games have their own versions of the metaplot with stories and characters that are considered canonical but no one in WoTC was stupid enough to completely jump the setting like they did on White Wolf.

>>97495626
CofD is WoD, though. It's nWoD, the reboot of oWoD.

>>97495642
>no one in WoTC was stupid enough to completely jump the setting like they did on White Wolf.
So uh, about the 4e Forgotten Realms and the Spellplague that advanced the timeline by a hundred years and killed half of the gods and destroyed half of the countries and completely transformed how cosmology and magic worked in the setting, and was so controversial that five years later the executives went crawling back to Greenwood and Salvatore, begging them to fix their mess...

What people need to remember about the ending of oWoD is that it's not like oWoD was actually selling massive gangbusters at the time. Only some gamelines were profitable in the first place. VtM was carrying a lot of the burden but even its sales were trending downward. They didn't blow up the setting as a "fuck you" to fans, but because they were suffering from a slow downward spiral financially and eventually took a huge risk when everything else they tried failed to pull them out of it.

It's why the video games came out so late into WoD's lifecycle, that was an attempt to bring in new fans and diversify their source of revenue. Bloodlines dropped the same year they ended everything with Gehenna. What people don't understand is that WoD was no longer the runner-up to D&D when they did the Gehenna-into-nWoD hail mary.

You can say it was a bad play, or not like that they did that, that's fair. Personally, I like a lot of the nWoD/CofD lines so I would say it was worth it. One can't know what would've happened had they done something different.

>>97495673
That was 1 version of DnD, they course corrected (in theory). Where was the course correction in WoD? they just doubled down until the whole company went bankrupt. Must be one of the earlier examples of dumb company who hates its fans and gets hit with reality.

>>97495693
I like the "toolkit" idea and I largely use it. I also think they fixed a lot of the mechanical problems of oWoD. But I think the price they paid was that you had to make your own metaplot, and while they did give the "tools" to do so, for the less intelligent, that made it seem very bland.

>>97495670
But you know exactly what people mean when they compare CofD and WoD and you fail to prove anything by making that point. nWoD has been called CofD and oWoD has been called WoD for over a decade now. It's not something that needs clarification.

>>97495705
You seem awfully upset that I pointed out that CofD = nWoD. Why is that?

>>97495725
Clearly not as frustrated as you were when people pointed out that CofD was never as successful as WoD.

>>97495693
>oWoD was actually selling massive gangbusters at the time
It was the second biggest RPG besides DnD. They also got "fuck you!" money after that Underworld closed doors deal.
>They didn't blow up the setting as a "fuck you" to fans
Didn't some of the writers of late revised explicitly said they were tired of wod and their fans back in time? They also had beef with fans because of litigations and fan content. Sounds pretty bitch if you ask me.
>It's why the video games came out so late into WoD's lifecycle
Revised writers were still complaining about the writing in the videogame. And tried to convince BL1 writers to change stuff in order to keep their mental illness of a metaplot that was leading nowhere. Their mentality was stubborn and not open at all.
> that was an attempt to bring in new fans and diversify their source of revenue.
Contradiction. You can't pretend to bring new fans to a game and a setting you're soon going to kill. This is like if WoTC killed Forgotten Realms after Baldur's Gate 3. They didn't have a plan, they were just making stupid shit on the fly.
>Bloodlines dropped the same year they ended everything with Gehenna.
But it was in development way before that. They could have choosen not to kill the setting or extend it lifetime to support the boost in sales and new fans. They didn't.
>You can say it was a bad play
Is about not liking it or not, is about the change killing the franchise forever and thus causing perplexity on everyone who has a brain. I have more faith in new alternatives than in anything made by WoD at this point anyway.

>>97495737
I'm not the one writing soliloquys about it lol

>>97495754
Oh wait, you're that "anyone who disagrees with anyone else is thin-skinned" guy!

>>97495747
By 2004, they were absolutely not the second biggest RPG. The underworld lawsuit did not give them "fuck you money".

While many writers in Revised had an issue with fans, that is not the primary reason why they went to Gehenna.

On the video games, it's not a contradiction. Video Games take time to make, you even acknowledged this. Things can change between approving of Bloodlines and the game coming out. They clearly lacked faith in the product and decided to move forward with Gehenna. Worse still, I'd say they actually called that one right. Bloodlines was a total fucking flop when it came out. It killed Troika. It's only popular now 20 years later. Essentially the vidya was part of the last-ditch scattershot approach to recapture the magic, same with the late-revised new lines like Demon and Hunter.

You need better reading comprehension, or this is just more trollposting.

>>97495701
>you had to make your own metaplot

I dunno about you guys but this is an absolute win for me. I already had to constantly write over the VtM metaplot for how dumb it was.

>>97494211
>I do think that if OWoD came AFTER that it would not have been well-received.
Yeah, I frequently like to ponder how chronology affects people's perceptions of things.

>>97495825
>By 2004, they were absolutely not the second biggest RPG.

What was the runner-up? As far as I'm concerned all d20 variants are just D&D so after controlling for that, what was second place at the time?

>>97494609
W R A I T H !

>>97495863
Good question. I'm trying to find hard stats, but everything is doing gay ass market value projection into the 2030s, not showing historical market shares or sales values. And sales do not necessarily mean number of players.

I mean hell we try to figure out what's selling the best today but DriveThru only tells us who is buying online from DriveThru.

>>97493816
The Pure sound so much cooler than the Uratha.

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>>97495825
I get you really want to defend whatever material you enjoy from the corpse of nu-WOD, however is both embarrassing and dumb to lie about something widely known to be true and so easy to proof like WoD being the biggest RPG after DnD in the 2000s.
https://www.enworld.org/wiki/top_rpgs/
There's also confirmation it was widely successful even in the revised era.
>making White Wolf the second biggest publisher of tabletop role-playing games at the time after TSR, Inc.,[3] and by 2001, Vampire: The Masquerade was the second best selling tabletop role-playing game after TSR, Inc.'s Dungeons & Dragons.[62]
Sorry but just because things make you butthurt it doesn't immediately prove they're wrong

>>97493141
While there are a lot of negatives to the world during the Impergium, being a wasteland wasn't one of them (on the contrary, the wilderness was doing great!), so... not really what you're suggesting.

>>97493718
You know the Infosphere from Futurama? That, but with spiders instead of brains. And then, yes, the freezing of everything except the Weaver's innermost self, where it contemplates the patterns of the universe until it understands them.

>>97495122
That's a fan expansion, anon. They aren't like this.

>>97495424
W20 has some much-needed rules housekeeping, but it's best used as a supplement to Revised.

>>97495863
D&D, followed by D&D, followed by D&D, and then the WoD and Exalted, maybe. 2004 was a crazy energetic time for Exalted.

>>97495918
This is possibly the most common issue with Werewolf the Forsaken. 2e does its best to fix this issue by making the Pure far more objectively wrong and the Forsaken far more objectively correct regarding the killing of Father Wolf, but I do recall my 1e group strongly disliking the Forsaken only to be drawn to the Pure, even/especially our opposite-of-edgy "I want to turn the World of Darkness into a World of Brightness!" player.

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>>97495938
There's a few problems here though. First, picrel, the disclaimer from the very site you linked. Secondly, nWoD didn't ever call itself nWoD. It just called itself World of Darkness, which added much confusion for everyone. Thus, there's a very real chance those stats are pooling sales from both together.

>>97495938
Looks like the status as second in line lasted through nWoD's release. Awakening, Forsaken, and Requiem all came out in 2004/2005.

>>97495967
Cool story but they're still a more reputable source than the one you have (none). And as the previous statement shows, Revised era WoD was still considered the biggest RPG in 2001 when nWoD didn't exist.

The power of your butthurt won't change this reality mate. Sorry. You can backpedal now or double dip in your pathetic copium.

>>97495673
>spellplague
>kills all the magic users
I knew 4e was based and martialpilled but I had no idea it just straight up ended Faerun Mageocracy like that.
Every time people try to level a complaint against it it just gets better. 4e really is the best edition.

>>97495966
My biggest issue with Forsaken is all the made-up faux Sumerian names for everything. Uratha? Rahu? Hishu? Fuck off.

>>97495938
It seems from this that Changeling was pretty big, it went back to second place right when it came out, and was only overtaken by Warhammer 40k, which already had Dawn of War at that point.

>>97495989
My point is just going by "World of Darkness" means they're pooling oWoD and nWoD together. Your chart only covers 2004-2022, so no, the previous statement does not show what you are saying.

>>97496001
All White Wolf games have a glossary issue. Is the conlang really that much worse than Apocalypse's awkward fusion of Greek and Gaelic?
>>97496012
Changeling was absolutely massive for a few years and made nWoD relevant for the first time ever. Though its popularity fell off, I think the only other nWoD game that was nearly as much of a hit when it first came out was Hunter the Vigil, which held on to its popularity for a lot longer.

>>97496012
Also, it drops off in 2010, which is I think when they stopped selling physical books? So at that point this list wouldn't contain it anyway, since it only shows retail stores.

oWoD-CofD flamewarring is one of the troll's tactics btw. Don't give him (you)s.

>>97496020
Read the full message before sperging out. It was already the biggest in 2001. Sorry that you got caught lying, next time try to don't lie if you don't want to be exposed. Also, to make things funnier I'm going to drop this here since you tried to defend the useless late Revised writers who killed the franchise in a forum post in 2002.
>Well, he did once personally insult me for criticising one 'his' products. I took issue with the sheer weight of disclaimers in the new 'Guide to the Sabbat'. I felt patronised by the number of times the writers (Achilli among them) felt the need to remind me that I was not a Vampire. As a result, he posted a reply (on the V:tm message board) describing me as 'one of the many idiots' who criticised 'his' game.
I wonder how much dirt we can dig up on the writers of the Revised era? It seems that calling "idiots" your own fans is not good business practice folks!

>>97495124
Maybe, but I think enough has changed that they might not just follow along. Their worldviews and goals have diverged pretty significantly.

>>97495918
I can see the appeal. They're the evil fuckhead werewolves that people have wanted for a very long time. What's interesting is that a lot of the criticism of the Forsaken as a faction is that they're the status quo. They're fighting to maintain the current metaphysical way of things. No bricking up the gauntlet, no tearing it down. Spirits don't fuck with humans, humans don't fuck with spirits.

Which is interesting, because in other WoD games that try to push you to play anti-establishment characters, a lot of people choose to play as the establishment. Maybe WoD players are just contrarians.

>>97496033
>which is I think when they stopped selling physical books

That's around when they transitioned (lol, poor choice of words given their politics) into PoD. I recall being on the chat rooms/forums they hung out in at the time. I raised the point: "Aren't you a publishing company? Arranging print runs is part of being a publishing company." I don't recall if they banned me for this but I do recall they weren't happy about it. They insisted that this isn't how it works anymore or something to that effect.

I brought up how they were getting all kinds of Kickstarter money. That's part of the point of the cash, right? You don't just pocket it, it's to fund things like production.

>>97496058
Achilli is pretty famous for disdaining the people who play his games and designing them specifically to spite people who play them in a way that he doesn't approve of. He is the archetypal creative-who-hates-his-audience.

>>97496070
Kek they got mad because you told them the truth

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Which is better, Wolf-man: the Abandoned or Phantom: the Eradication? And why?

>>97496058
Your reading comprehension is truly staggeringly awful if you think I was defending fucking Achilli. Nobody likes that guy.

The point of my initial post was that Gehenna and the sorta-reboot, sorta-new setting that we now call New World of Darkness was not the result of a single factor such as baby raging writers being mad at fans. It was the result of a lot of messy things going on both internally and externally. It seems you have a lot of personal anger at these writers, but please, don't project it onto other people.

>>97495673
Good. Setting-shitters too lazy to make their own D&D setting deserve to suffer.

>>97496064
>Which is interesting, because in other WoD games that try to push you to play anti-establishment characters, a lot of people choose to play as the establishment. Maybe WoD players are just contrarians.
Kinda, they were trying to make a scenario where a revolution would make sense and be viable with the vampires but at the end of the day they really didn't give them a good enough reason to stay together as a society in most scenarios.

In werewolf they just wanted an excuse for extra weird combat and/or gooning and everything else was extra

>nwod fans discuss their games
>owod fans just seethe about nwod, wod5, and every other owod game for good measure

>>97496096
Phantom for the sole reason of not being made for furfags. Also you can larp as a Barrow-wight in it.

Sorry for the late reply >>97493608
>It depends on the nature of the Resources and whether the mage has a good selection of Spheres for defending it or easily recouping any lost Resources.

>The Technocracy might have a hard time keeping a mage poor, if they can turn lead into gold, hypnotise venture capitalists into giving them millions or bind spirits of the Digital Web into serving as protectors of their bank accounts.

Oh I see! That’s good to know! I really want to try out the last one. I’m still thinking about my concept of a ferectoi mage and my concern rose up when I was thinking how to play a rich guy that’s not with the syndicate. Probably against them if the other players are from the traditions too.

I was looking at the Pentex subsidiaries and I found none that focused on sports. I think my character could be a CEO of a sports equipment company, perhaps also even handling contracts to athletes, etc. I can imagine some products already
>Hockey mitts that encourage players to stop the match and fistfight each other (big success in Canada)
>Baseball bats that pushes athletes to always outperform the rest, but it’s also draining their strength so they have to take steroids
>Soccer shoes that increase any pain felt by the one who wears them, to the point where one would roll on the ground and bawl their eyes out if so much as being brushed, but they also dissociate from the feeling of pain and completely forget about it the next minute

>>97496115
>gooning

I recall reading somewhere that they made the unihar (those spirits that are generated when two werewolves mate) specifically to discourage furries, since at the time being a furry was rather taboo, even more so than being a homosexual.

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>>97496096
I prefer Outdoorsman: the Retribution. I love the idea of normal humans becoming infused--thus forced into a role of outdoorsman--and being just as powerful as the creatures of the night that typically make them victims. Outdoorsman usually has the best splats anyways.

>>97496160
I was talking about apocalypse where the usual response to creating a Metis is something along the lines of
> Shit happens (-4 temporary Honor, +1 Child Soldier)

>>97496194
Oh that's fair, sorry. Still, I'm not even sure what I read is true about unihar, but holy lol, I hope it is.

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>>97496168
I'm a big fan of Golem: the Assembled.

>>97496131
Based answer tbqh

>>97495434
I'd argue Setites are also massive pseuds since their entire religion is predicated on doing so much bad shit that they'll integer overflow reality and coom paradise into existence.

this is absolutely my headcanon, they're like this because they're wyrmfags in various stages of denial. The cool ones just accept that they're a wyrm cult. Note: I'm not even that big a fan of WtA, but I think the Wyrm is really neat.

>>97496151
Make sure you sell shit for the fans. There's a reason why soccer matches in europe end in brawls.

>>97496279
Scran that increases your urge to brawl

>>97496272
My main argument for making Epstein a low-level Mage over a Setite is that Mage is decidedly WoD's pseud splat and I can't help but imagine actual low-level Mages, were they real, would be like college undergrads in their pseudery.

>>97494616
You forgot to mention the fact that each member of the main cast is either a supernatural or related to one.

>>97496160
Does that mean, given how it talks about kinfolk and the b r e e d i n g s t o c k , that WW was historically big /hmofa/ fags?

>>97496328
Werewolf was always ridiculed as the yiff splat, so I don't doubt there was at least a grain of truth to it.

>>97495066
>it did fine up until the entire market shit the bed.
You mean Paradox decided to cut new book approvals because they didn't want any more internal competition with 5E lines, especially after H5 came out as "like Vigil 2E, but worse in every way."

Which splat would you bang?

>>97496328
You are in the right ballpark weirdly enough. The fact that they did that shit at least twice is also pretty funny.

>>97496425
More like which one I wouldn't (it's hunter)

>>97496425
CofD Changeling

>>97496425
Sin Eater for the novelty and normality range.

>>97496425
Mage. Imagine all the freaky sexy magic you could do in a horizon realm...

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Hey! My group wants to try out the Tenebrous World series. Which line should we play?

>Hunter: the Requiem
>Demon: the Oblivion
>Vampire: the Primordial
>Wraith: the Awakening
>Promethean: the Curse
>Beast: the Reckoning
>Werewolf: the Renegades
>Mummy: the Dreaming
>Deviant: the Ascension
>Changeling: the Sin-Eaters
>Geist: the Vigil
>Mage: the Descent

Oh fucking great, this shit again.

>>97496472
just ignore him bro, he'll go away eventually.

>>97496425
Dreaming. All that tight Eshu, Sidhe, Selkie, Slaugh, and Troll pussy.

>>97496461
running a joke into the ground like you did with this gimmick is something I'd associate with literal five year olds and severe autistics

>>97496434
Which one?
>>97496433
No Hunter? Is it because of their autism?>>97496435
>>97496441
>>97496513
All good choices.

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Are there any Paths of Enlightenment that could be found in the Tremere?

>>97496435
>normality range
Nothing normal about having a creepy batshit insane superghost perv on you while you rail its host.

>>97496668
goratrix and his homies been on this during the dark ages
>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Path_of_the_Devil
but beside this the tremere did not experiment much with paths after finding out that the code of tremere wasn't suitable as path of enlightenment which combined with their relative lack of age had most of them stay on humanity. Chaining the beast however mentions that giovanni are known to teach the path of bones to tremere so that they can use them as researchers

>>97496425
>>97496328
You anons telling me you wouldn't be werewolf breeding stock?

>>97496700
Only if he has a fat fucking knot

>>97496700
yeah a woof isn't eldritch enough to get my monsterfucker stuff going

>>97496697
>Chaining the beast however mentions that giovanni are known to teach the path of bones to tremere so that they can use them as researchers
what's with independent clans and stealing tremere? the pyramid also had to put a stop on the study of setite sorcery because they lost too many tremere to the snakes

so is there like a secret cabal of tremere ravnos i don't know about too?

>>97496115
Werewolf generally really feels like
>You say combat in VtM is bad? Check this shit out (+20 attacks per round, regen, mechas and sex demons)
>Check out how NOT VtM this is (Good old fashion eugenics with furries)
Some of the shit they landed on was genuinely good independently like the Wyrm and Pentex despite being hilariously evil. I appreciate Werewolf for how gonzo it is though. It does genuinely feel like a solid work of urban fantasy though more of an emphasis on fantasy

>>97496702
Consult the size chart provided a month or two ago
>>97496705
Outside of Fomori (this would be unwise), Tzimisce, and Nosferatu I'd think woofs are easily up there. Especially with the whole shitting your pants the entire time delirium

>>97496717
>so is there like a secret cabal of tremere ravnos i don't know about too?
not sure if that counts but during the victorian age the tremere allied with the Danava and Ravnos against the Ashirra and Kuei jin in the area in exchange for Sadhana paths like the path of praapti (path of mercury)

so yeah technically

>>97496741
>Outside of Fomori (this would be unwise), Tzimisce, and Nosferatu I'd think woofs are easily up there. Especially with the whole shitting your pants the entire time delirium

you clearly haven't seen some of the umbrood in the mage books

>>97496656
Hunter schizophrenia is more like the workaholic soon to burn out vibe while Mage nonsense is more like
>hey babe check out my magic crack rock
>it fucking works

>>97496673
I can range from the ghost watching from the chair or the Host's head (relatively normal) to freaky environmental and body horror shenanigans (mostly normal)

>>97496758
Would this be a good idea though?

>>97496717
The Tremere weakness makes them easily enslaved, of course every sect except the one where they have power and the one that REEE's at the though of blood slavery would take advantage of that.

>>97496776
if you know the right sigil, wards and contracts it should be safer than a garou and more exotic

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What if Changeling: the Dreaming had been written in the spirit/tone of Vampire: the Masquerade?

>>97496777
kinda funny given how ingame most people act like the weakness does not even exist

>>97496794
that exists the guy who wrote dark age fae and later lost started of as a fan who wrote a "dark" ctd rewrite

>>97496796
It's almost as if it was written in a way that ignoring it made most stories better.

>>97496513
>Dreaming.
>Most characters are underage

>>97496794
You'd probably play the game a lot closer to Lost.
>>97496796
To be fair a lot of weaknesses that are more thematically on a roleplay level with the Assamite weakness and Tremere are just hard to play for and while the players might know, it's somewhat of a dickhead move to target a player's weakness explicitly without somewhat of a clear indication of it happening. I can't imagine using the Tremere weakness would be a great idea though I'm sure it can be compelling enough.

>>97496717
>what's with independent clans and stealing tremere?

Independent Clans (besides ravnos) have insane plot armor, that's why.

>>97496425
I feel like fucking normal humans (hunters) is the safest option. You don't get anything special but your risk of dying to random bullshit is close to zero.

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>>97491663
>tell me about your character, your game, your favorite splat, your favorite sect in that splat.
Martha Gosling, changeling (CtL) governess in Victorian England. Favorite splat is VtM, sect is Camarilla.
>what are some homebrews you use at your table
The big old VtM/VtR conversion doc. **We're the group that made it, mostly one player to his credit.**
>do you play in person, online, or through posts?
In person when we can, online most of the time.
>what is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
Depends on how fast it's going.
>if you were to be embraced which clan would you hope for? Which one do you you'll actually get?
Hope for: Toreador, it lets me satisfy my art autism in a way that fits the clan. Actual: Tremere, probably because they need an archivist.
>traditions or technocracy?
Technogarchy.
>favourite merit, favourite flaw?
Probably Encyclopedic Knowledge for Merit. Definitely Stereotype for Flaw.
>is your character on the list?
The Red List? Certainly not. The list to get into the party? She's managed to infiltrate the staff... so also no.
>Favorite fan-made splat?
Our group **(in this case, almost entirely the one guy)** made a Sorcerer splat that was a lot of fun.
>have you played wraith?
Nope.
>You know what? fuck this thread! what is the best edition?
Chronicles 2E for mechanics, no idea for lore.
>what is your haven like?
My last vampire's (picrel) haven was a cozy Phantom-of-the-Opera-den beneath the Folger Theater. My current changeling's hollow is a victorian estate house covered in ivy and brambles.
>how does it feel to be a no-games?
Wouldn't know.
>how Gothic is your game?
Gothic? Decently. Goth? Not very.
>thoughts on malkavians?
Played two of them. I liked the one with religious delusions better than the one with paranoia.

>>97496794
You'd basically just get CtL but with several 90s-isms.

>>97496656
>Which one?
Pretty much any of them could be a great time, or have a Seeming/Kith combo out of a horror movie. But even then to most people they're just people.

>>97496700
I don't want some incel spirit watching the entire time and they can't compete with the Pelvis Dominator X cybernetic implant

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>>97496826
>fucked up the spoiler tags

>>97496823
Not unless you turn out to have supernatural blood in you and they cook your cock by activating one of their edges mid sex.

>>97496839
There's an incel spirit watching you 24/7 in WoD anyway
>>97496842
>tfw you will never get edged by an imbued

>>97496840
it's and then [ /spoiler] (but without the space between the bracket and the /

>>97496852
GREAT NOW I FUCKED THE SPOILER TAG IN THE OPPOSITE WAY

>>97496842
They're Hunters with the capital H, I'm talking about actual humans. Divine shizos are a bit too hardcore for me.

>>97496858
Thanks anyway Third time's the charm

>>97496852
Just highlight what you want to spoiler and hit Ctrl-S.

>>97496860
Divine Schizophrenia would make for some amazing (or terrible sex when they freak out over non-missionary) sex though. Imagine when you cum and the semen shooting pattern gives them a divine revelation over the school teacher being a ghoul for a high ranking Ventrue

>>97496700
No, why would I? Don't really like dogs.
>>97496760
Fair enough on the Magic stuff.

>>97496917
It's like dogs, but in an abusive relationship

>>97496826
cool nossie.

I don't want them to make M5 bros

>>97496977
Digits of truth, hope you're ready for paradox dice

>>97496977
None of us want that but it could become reality. I'm afraid to imagine how they'll butcher every tradition and make the techoncracy pentex but magic (can't play as them, chud)

>>97496992
>Akashics
Removed for being racist chuds
>Euthanatoi
Removed for cultural appropriation + school shooter vibed, turned into token neutral antagonist faction
>Technocracy
Completely unplayable
>Nephandi
Mythically rare
Everyone will be a flavor of Hermetic

>>97497010
>Everyone will be a flavor of Hermetic
Tremerechads can't stop winning!

>>97497010
>Everyone will be a flavor of Hermetic
But we already have Mage: the Awakening for that.

>>97496977
They should just scrap 5th edition entirely and fire all the writing staff and pay racist NEET neckbeards to make the 6th edition splatbooks
unironically

>>97497049
I bet even the Werewolf haters on wodg could make a better Werewolf than W5
>>97497042
And H5 was budget Vigil while V5 was a mix of requiem and VtM. It's happening

Ferectoi mage guy, I just had a revelation…
With Celestial Affinity you can have a certain type of spirit liking you, and with Spirit Magnet you could have friendly spirits always surrounding you… and if we use the Woof background Spirit Heritage you could be half a spirit type and have that type of spirit liking you even more!

And the wiki says that there is such a thing as Paradox Spirits… :)

Nothing says that you cannot be attuned with Paradox Spirits… :D

What if… what if, you build a mage so in tune with paradox he’d literally become an anti-mage?

>>97497010
>Technocracy
Now the good guys. Trust the science chud
>Nephandi
All serve the worst nephandi since Al-Aswad, Elon Musk

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>>97496977
I'm still asshurt over H5. I can only pray for you mage bros that you're not done nearly as dirty as us Hunters were and that mistakes were learned from H5. Surely something was learned from H5's terribleness that can be used to make M5 really good, right?

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Even with Hidden Diablere, is there any chance in hell I could get away with diablere if the Prince has a lieutenant with Mytherceria?

>>97497067
>Spirit Heritage you could be half a spirit type
Can a half spirit even have an avatar?

>>97497067
How can you get the Woof background on a non-Woof? That sounds kind of cool though, but an anti-mage would be more a Hunter group right?

>>97497100
>W5 came right after (though intended to be first) H5
I don't think they will brother

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Corporate wants YOU to overhaul the World of Darkness. Here's the catch: due to intellectual property law fuckery, none of the previous lines can be used (neither Old World nor the Chronicles), only unused or original monsters.
How do you pull it off (and get rich while doing it)?

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>>97497112
>Asking a "hypothetical" that's already being done

>>97497112
Three words:
Catholic
Saint
Liches

>>97497112
I'd test the waters with a new monster to see how it would be received then revise the second batch accordingly.
>Dagon: The Drowned. Upon your twenty-first birthday, strange things begin to happen to you. Your skin grows pale, your eyes begin to bulge, you develop a strange look about you that many would call fishy. You begin to desire swimming, you begin to enjoy going out in the rain, and you hear a voice. A voice telling you to return home, but where is home? Somewhere out there in the Atlantic. Can you fight these new desires and retain your humanity, or will you succumb to the strange voice and serve a greater, deeper power?

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>>97497139
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyLjbMBpGDA

>>97497145
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tTHn2tHhcI

>>97497152
Like Mummies but you play up the Vatican's political machinations and corruption as they're taken over by increasingly insane undead (and formerly jewish) liches that have converted into christianity or born into it. Think like the Church in the Fate IP by Type-Moon but much more active. Can have many flavor of liches, lich-knights, Mage-liches, lich-monks, cleric liches. One of the twists I would like to go with is that Noah would be the original Lich and he misinterpreted it as God's will that he became an undead monstrosity but he's also gone too senile due to age and activity to be a reliable source of information . I particularly like the gimmick of the Church in Fate having consecrated prosthetics that give you superhuman strength too.

>>97497138
Is this ass or is this something worth at least a read over.

>>97497111
My cope for W5 was that it was supposed to be before H5 so maybe there didn't know what was good or not. V5 is mostly alright outside of some incredible lore decisions.

>>97497102
To go into technicalities kinfolk can awaken. And it is written that kinfolk also are part spirit like garous, but their wolf is too weak or doesn’t equate to half their soul. It stands to reason that it is thus possible, but either missing enough of your human soul blocks you from awakening… or that in the case of other supernaturals what part you lost is integral to having an avatar. No matter if you have 30, 50, 70 or even over 90% of your soul remaining.

>>97497106
Through ST approval. Sometimes you can take backgrounds from other splats if it makes sense. In my case I wanted a ferectoi mage, and since ferectoi are the perfect banes incarnated (respected by other banes as top of the wyrm food chain), I went with Spirit Heritage 5.

And sure hunters do fit, but I think there’s something funny as mages, Traditions and Technocracy alike, would shit their pants whenever the Anti-Mage is there. Do so much as throw a fireball his way, even using a coincidental magic with a flamethrower or a Molotov cocktail, even as a freshman without any paradox dots, and you risk immediately getting dragged into paradox hell.

>>97497178
I guess. We can even excuse W5 as being shit because it was a full "reimagining" instead of what V5 was. The doomer in me can't see Paradox-wolf learning any lessons here though

>>97497165
Essentially that.

>>97497178
>Is this ass or is this something worth at least a read over.
It's OPP's new game since Paradox apparently doesn't want the royalties from CofD anymore.

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>>97497173
>Mage-liches

Wouldn't it be hilarious if the fifth edition of Wraith: the Oblivion actually improved both the game and its popularity?

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>>97497223
>Paradox apparently doesn't want the royalties from CofD anymore.

>>97497270
Christian/Jewish mythology has some crazy shit happening sometimes

>>97497223
>>97497282
Paradox is just really retarded sometimes and wants to own WoD entirely (sovl included)
>>97497279
I don't doubt it would be possible. One of the few games that would benefit from the lore and gameplay being simplified as it's possibly one of the most gonzo games

>>97497282
Paradox seems to be getting ready to cut ties with White Wolf and the whole WoD franchise. There's still couple Bloodlines 2 DLCs in the making they'll see finished just to keep up with contractual obligations, but after that they'll drop it like a blighted potato.

>>97497309
They absolutely set up the new White Wolf subsidiary so they could dump the losses on it instead of it being part of the main ledger.

>>97497309
>>97497344
This is pretty true but I don't expect for a second they're going to ditch them without making their money back. Sadly, there's just no one who can be White Wolf as they used to be. We should just be happy to have 20th edition + all the supplementary material we have as it is, cucked and gay of the world for being the way it is though

>>97497309
man I hope not, that'd probably negatively affect the ck3 mod and they still don't have Mages

>>97497357
How the fuck would someone implement Mages in ck3? Other than a super watered down version.

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>>97497352
>Sadly, there's just no one who can be White Wolf as they used to be.
OPP getting it back would be ideal, but I'm not sure they'd want to do much more with it. They'd been pretty locked in by Paradox on what they could do with it, and Curseborne is a chance to actually go in a new direction, so they'd maybe just cruise with having a secondary team finish out anything else they wanted to do for CofD and finally be allowed to do 20ths for the rest of WoD.

And Rich Thomas has been with WW since they were a magazine writing about games, including the game that acted as WoD's Prototype, Nightlife.

>>97497365
I don't really know beyond a babystep of what would amount to a very cantankerous gameshark

>>97497394
Maybe, but Curseborne is just kind of okay? I can't really propose any solutions but I do hope the best for OPP. I'm personally not the biggest fan but I'll admit sometimes they make good material

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>>97497394
worth it for Demon20
>>97497415
That would probably depend on how well Curseborne is selling outside of its release hype cycle and how any supplements perform

>>97496668
To be honest, Tremere should really have some sort of "Path of the Pyramid" which is similar to the Path of Kings, but it's all about the Pyramid

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Unless you are a mummy, nobody gives a FR*CK about your "pyramid".

>>97497519
Alright. Time for Tremere to become blood mummies with some fucked up Spell of Blood/Life. Apparently it's only a Hekau Necromancy 6 Ritual so it's not even something you have to be a Mage to cast

>>97496461
>>Geist: the Vigil
I'm fairly certain that there is a ritual/ceremony for that.

>>97497519
You aren't a real Mummy if you weren't buried in a Mastaba at least

>Huge Mummy fan excited to play it for the first time

>>97497365
Simple, make a single ability for five separate levels of each Sphere. Almost no video game can handle the granularity of Mage's magic system.

>>97497583
>Other than a super watered down version.

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>Human cloning and designer babies
>Involved in pandemic simulation models
>Planned the Ukraine war on behalf of the Rothschilds
>A finger in every banking organization's pies
>The public now knows about this shit
>Child trafficking was magnitudes bigger than people imagined
>He even helped with the cover up of that nephandic pizza shit
>Every conspiracy theorist was right
Wew
You Technocrats either got a massive Paradox backlash, or the Virtual Adepts won.
Either way... Mage feels way too real now.

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>>97497101
Anons please I gotta know how fucked I would be

>>97497720
less than if he had a neonate tremere

>>97497637
White Wolf was always wrong about the elite. They were never loyal to a higher cause, they were never driven by ideology, they have always been motivated by nothing more than a selfish desire to warp the world into something that rewards them more for their wealth and that allows them to make the most out of it. Pentex is far more accurate than the Technocracy but even then, none of them should genuinely be loyal to the Wyrm, they should all just be in it because they want to be the god-kings ruling over the ashes of the world when he destroys it and making the Apocalypse happen themselves is their way of buying into that. Similarly, the Technocracy should just be a pyramid scheme ran by Nephandi, who dupe the true believers into keeping their oligarchy afloat so that they can continue to revel in decadence and obscenity beyond mortal comprehension.

>>97497758
Why’s that?

>>97497775
There is nothing that a Kiasyd or Maeghar with Mytherceria can do that a Tremere thaumaturge couldn't do and a Tremere thaumaturge can do so much more

>>97497783
My worry with the mytherceria is the lie detector. A simple “have you ever diablerized someone” with that seems like certain doom

>>97497789
Tremere can do that

>>97497791
He certainly has Tremere, this character idea is for one after all. But if it’s really just going to be impossible to get away with, I might as well just not take the merit and never try

>>97497795
One dot in Path of Corruption, use Contradict on a target to make them want to be honest with you instead of lie :)

>>97495966
>even/especially our opposite-of-edgy "I want to turn the World of Darkness into a World of Brightness!" player.
I find that surprising with how much the Pure are into kidnapping, torture, and brainwashing.

>>97496001
In-universe, Sumerian is likely based off the First Tongue.

>>97496160
Unihar were bad, but I'd honestly like it if werewolves were sterile with each other. Then again, I'd also prefer a lineage system in between Wolf-Blooded and Kinfolk.

Need me a Tremere bimbo slut

>>97497101
the big loophole in this is that the power activates "Whenever someone deliberately tells a lie" so the name of the game is dominate. either have your memory removed before you are questioned or be dominated so that you are unable to admit that you are a diablerist

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>>97497282
No, you see, if you strip out like 25% of the WoD and replace it with the worst parts of the 1e Requiem and Forsaken, you'll win over both audiences!

>>97497415
Curseborne seems okay. Like, it has the potential to be good, but needs supplements since the core book is trying to fit too much inside of it.

>>97497896
>I find that surprising with how much the Pure are into kidnapping, torture, and brainwashing.
I think she bought into the Pure propaganda on an OOC level. Paradise was lost when Father Wolf was killed by the Forsaken and the Pure, especially the Fire-Touched, aspire to remake that lost paradise. She really connected with that sort of utopian thinking and was willing to overlook the means, because the end justified it.

>>97491663
>tell me about your character, your game, your favorite splat, your favorite sect in that splat.
We're playing Dark Ages rn
Playing a Cappadocian who was originally a shepherd in life. Kept his dog as a ghoul. Long periods of isolation has led to him becoming extremely autistic. He is highly resistant to pain and will shrug off things that would make other kindred frenzy but he also crumbles to mild social pressure. I kinda wonder if I shoulda made him a Gangrel. He has extensive knowledge of folklore but very little factual occult information. One of my longterm goals for him is to unlock koldunic sorcery since I think it fits him and his obsession with spirits. Someone in an earlier thread mentioned summoning animal wraiths as an Animalism+Necromancy combo and now I wanna convince my st to let me try it.
My fav splat is Vampire
My fav sect is the Orade League
>what are some homebrews you use at your table
My group has been experimenting with combat rules since dark ages combat can get clunky at times
>do you play in person, online, or through posts?
Online
>what is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
Hawk tuah
>if you were to be embraced which clan would you hope for?
Tzimisce
>Which one do you you'll actually get?
Tzimisce
>traditions or technocracy?
Technocracy
>favourite merit
Alternate Identity
>favourite flaw?
Cold touch and Outsider
>is your character on the list?
No, but his coterie is
>Favorite fan-made splat?
Siren
>have you played wraith?
I wish
>You know what? fuck this thread! what is the best edition?
Uhhhhh
>what is your haven like?
A normal, bland room. He'd burrow into the ground if he could. He dreams of living in a huge library.
>how does it feel to be a no-games?
Couldn't be me
>how Gothic is your game?
Enough? People try to be consistent to their characters.
>thoughts on malkavians?
Our resident Malk has lowkey been driving the campaign forwards and is prone to comically succesful rolls so I like them

>>97497100
I'm afraid the people behind 5th ed lack the ability to reflect on their works. That and they're hell-bent on making their own stuff up (rather poorly) while buthering stuff from the OG (SI is so dogshit)

>>97497066
A couple of anons here did spitball their ideas for Werewolf and mostly ended up reinventing aspects of both lines of Werewolf, funnily enough.

>>97497394
I was supposed to be the one to fill your dark soul with LIIIIIIIIGHT

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>>97491663
>Character
I've played like, two games of World of Darkness. I guess Friedrich, a Lasombra mystic, poet and all around softboi.
>Your game
Dark Ages, set in the year 2585 after an apocalyptic event called 'The Deluge'. The Coterie are a mix of Vampires and normals running around as the Order of Bitter Ashes, trying their best to be knights in a world of darkness.
>Splat
Promethean, conceptually, but Hunter if we mean games people actually play.
>Favourite Sect
Slashers, if I can steal from CofD (I can)
>Homebrew
I like giving the supernatural splats a little bit of supernatural power from the off. Werewolves always smell better than normal people, vampires have some heightened senses and reaction speeds, that sort of thing. RAW, those things aren't true, but my players seem to like it.
>In person, online, or by post?
Online
>air speed velocity of an unladen swallow
0, when it hits an Ananasi's web
>which clan would you hope for
Nagaraja. I will explain nothing.
>Which one would you be
A caitiff, shortly disposed of by whatever sire mistakenly embraced me.
>traditions or technocracy
Only one of them has a moon base, so.
>merit/flaw
Any of the Ananasi transformation merits, any of the stereotype flaws (I want, so badly, to have a game where everyone has the 'has to be invited' flaw)
>is Freidrich on the list
I certainly hope not
>favourite fan-made splat
During a manic episode I wrote like 80% of a Zombie: the Coil remake; so, by process of elimination, that one.
>have you played Wraith?
Nobody has played Wraith.
>What is the best edition
Forsaken
>What's your haven like?
An extradimensional web-covered nest in an inner city apartment.
>how does it feel to be a no-games?
I'd have to assume not good, I wouldn't know
>how Gothic is your game?
Prepz need not apply, picrel
>thoughts on Malkavians
I struggle to utilise them properly.

>>97491663
>how does it feel to be a no-games?
great!
>thoughts on malkavians?
theyre cool! i love jeanette shes so hot!

>>97498453
Chiya is pretty.

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We rolled like absolute SHIT the whole session. Big fucking Bane is still not dead, just some controlled humies that it pulled into the Umbra as a meat shield (some of them were cut off from it and sent back to the material world harmlessly, some are very very ded).

The other sept's pack is SUPPOSED to be watching out for this in the material world and keep them off our backs. I'm not impressed.

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>>97494820
>>97494810
>>97494833
Seconding the embrace, but he'll probably have to get mandatory Obfuscate lessons due to his high Fame dots

Also, aren't most Setites supposed to be surprisingly anti-ghouling because the blood bond is antiethical to their whole "freedom through vice" thing? Or am I just buying the snakeaganda too much?

>>97498453
>Werewolves always smell better than normal people
When I first read that I thought you meant that they had a more pleasing scent to other people.

>>97491663
>tell me about your character, your game, your favorite splat, your favorite sect in that splat.
Mage named Calvarian, Mage Awakening, Guardians of the Veil. By far the most interesting faction.. It was a good campaign, my GM had some solid esoteric ideas at play that made the setting interesting. The final reveal of the campaign was us figuring out that we were part of an elaborate, borderline eldritch plot organized by an ascended mage who twisted fate so that his best friend would be able to ascend and they could be bros in the supernal realm for all eternity. Good themes of how the entire game we were obsessing about the evil schemes of the Seers of the Throne, but it turned out that the forces of good were stronger the entire time and the outcome was never in doubt because Gandalf was on our side. This guy had high gnosis and was so inherently wise that all our characters were vastly enlightened merely by proximity to these events, so we all came out well.
My character was a kind of Guardians of the Veil majordomo, had a split personality between being a pothead and also a legit executioner of the Guardians, scoring all kinds of kills. I was a space mage, so I teleported razor blades into people's brains, I used Alter Direction to make it so that whatever direction my knuckles were pointing was down, Superman flew around dumpstering retards who were confused and couldn't understand how I was making gravity spaz out. One time the group came across a cursed man who had been imprisoned in a house for all eternity, so we solved him up by doing thusly: I used Alter Direction to make "Towards the sun" equal "Down" for his entire house, and then my buddy who was a time mage accelerated the terminal velocity ejection to superspeed and we obliterated the entire building and the guy in it by throwing the whole fucking deal into the sun. That either solved the curse or it didn't, either way, merging with the sun must be an improvement. Fun game.

>>97498901
I had also imagined this, I didn't think to assume that they would have a better sense of smell since this is already a thing they mostly can do right?

>>97497581
You joke but this is the truth. ; _ ;

>>97497771
So would the Seers of the Throne be the more realistic villains?

>>97497067
Congrats, you just made a dauntain for mage.