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Why does this make me laugh.

There should be more gun-related gifts. Werewolves with guns are cool as fuck.

>>97840301
>>T.Glasswalker Internet Defense Force member.
In all fairness though, I do agree with you on this, I just couldn't resist the urge to get a petty joke in.

>>97840305
The future is flying drone fetishes with mounted guns and gnosis-powered infinite ammo imbued with a spirit of water to muffle the horrid sound of the rotors and make it amphibious.

How do other splats not just kill themselves immediately upon learning that mages exist and they will never be one because they lack avatars?

>>97840427
is having an avatar really THAT great?

>>97840427
By laughing at the nerds who managed to lose to the Tremere even when magic was fucking everywhere.

>>97840427
most of them don't know what mages are up to and those that do like mummies and kuei jin have reasons not to kill themselves because it would either be hard or they know that they will go to hell

>>97840427
>You're telling me if they use a spell that's too powerful they explode? What's so good about that?

>>97840491
>what do you mean you can troll them in a fight by making sure there's at least one normal guy staying way back with a pair of binoculars?

>>97840491
>Nuclear bombs are considered mundane
Science(tm) literally can't stop winning

>>97840501
>tfw no magic version of a nuclear bomb made by having a newly-awakened Hermetic cast Inferno Maximus in the middle of a city resulting in a paradox backlash so bad it sends his body 10 years into the future and the city 1000 miles into space.

>>97840506
And that goes straight to my "Creative uses for threats to reality" file.

>>97840450
Hermetics are the make a wish kud kind of tradition. Counted as mages out of pity (kinda like the modern verbena)

>>97840176
Alright, W20 ST here. So session 1 had ups and downs.

>The whole group went to the city of Bend, Oregon to begin their trial for the rite of passage. Which is surviving 7 days and 7 nights.
>Half the group is native to the city, and Nakia the Silent Strider despite being lupus said that in his nomadic days he used to go to some cities sometimes
>So only the Stig the lupus Stargazer had never experienced man’s world before
>His first introduction to mankind was him walking through a crossing while the light was green. He got yelled at by a car’s driver, but the driver was intimidated into silence by Amber, the Hobo Goth girl, flashing her revolver under her jacket
>The group went to Rémis’ apartment building and were greeted by the owner, Roger Smith. A 50-60ish Latino man in a Hawaiian shirt sporting an impressive moustache, a bit senile, and vibing in front of the building while smoking and reading the news
>I accidentally made Rémis’ life more miserable because I mistook apartment for condos and told him his rent will increase because a pipe broke down
>They then entered Rémis’ small apartment. Barely has room inside, and even less furniture. All of them are old and bought in sales
>His wife Britney, a Children of Gaia kinfolk, was watching TV on a Sunday morning while lazing on the couch while suddenly her husband and three strangers just barged inside
>Before she could say anything Stig turned into his lupus form and locked himself up inside Rémis and Britney’s bedroom. Claiming it as his own.
>I played Britney as really pissed off, but also defeated. Which ended up really passive aggressive, which Rémis tried vainly to calm down. She just said nothing and went back to her doom scrolling TV because as a kinfolk she had no say in her garou husband’s decision

>I also had the player roll a Perception and Empathy check, and only one of them noticed that Britney had a spike of emotions only when Garou specific words are mentioned. Like Rite of Passage, or Lupus, etc. They couldn’t catch that it was resentment.
>Stig slept for the day to calm down from the stress of the city, but Nakia decided to talk to Britney while Rémis was making dinner and Amber was vibing in her corner.
>Nakia started interrogating Britney asking if she has any secrets she discovered about the Wyrm’s agents in the city, so he could relay the info to his tribe
>The way I view kinfolk, since most are excluded from caerns and rites and other social events, I played it as many only know the broad strokes of the conflict against the Wyrm at best. Like the bottom rung of a sect. Britney in her case, used to be rebellious (and punished by marriage) so she knows even less than regular kinfolks. I explained that to them OOC.
>She was offended, but told Nakia that she knew nothing about that Wyrm or their agents.
>Nakia kept egging her on about Garou only stuff, which was getting on her nerves until he asked what she does to fight the “great enemy”
>Britney answered that right now on her weekend her greatest enemy is boredom and the best she can do to stave it off is doom scrolling TV
>Nakia having clearly not pushed enough buttons to his liking just said that Britney isn’t contributing to the cause at all and she should feel bad about it
>Britney, absolutely livid, just immediately left the apartment

>>97840506
That would be because most newly-Awakened mages are incapable of such magic and even if they were, Paradox behaves in an effectively sentient fashion and responds to situations like an ST.
>Let me get this straight. Your character, Czar Vargo, is going to try and enforce world peace by sending a massive magical zeppelin armada to every major city in the world?
>You know what, fuck this. You're not ruining this for me. Your zeppelins are fucking deleted. You are fucking deleted. No one remembers seeing any zeppelins. I've had enough of your bullshit, now make a new fucking character and it better be sensible this time. Alternatively, get the fuck out.

>When night arrived Stig decided that he wanted to go on walkies
>OOC he wanted to walk around so stuff happens, but only Amber decided to go out with him
>So the two of them decided to find Rick Trash-Finder, the Bone Gnawer kinfolk who’s their only allowed contact with the garou nation. At his usual spot they only found another hobo kinfolk, Zach Coldsmith. Zach told them that Rick hasn’t been seen in two months, ever since he went on a O’Tulley dumpster diving to get food for the community.
>The two garou just concluded that since Rick is their contact for the trial, he has probably been tasked to hide to make it hard for the pact and so they went back to the apartment
>On their way back they could feel a presence and Stig managed to get an ungodly amount of success on his perception roll and spotted a black thing spying on them from afar
>Stig and Amber began immediate pursuit, former from roof to roof and latter on the ground taking shortcuts… and it was a pretty even match. Stig with his shit load of dice and always spamming willpower for success (and since on average he always has one success per roll he never loses willpower). The creature by being as light as a feather.
>After a few rounds Nakia complains that Stig and Amber’s scene and now the chase has been going on for an hour and he’s sick of sitting on his couch twiddling his thumbs
>So I decided that the pursuit passed right over the apartment (which was previously established being on the top floor) which allowed Nakia and Remis to join the race
>Remis went parkouring with Stig and both of them took Hispo form to gain grounds
>I told them that turning into giant wolves jumping from roof to roof is bound to be considered a lifting the veil violation, but Stig complained that that me describing at least a dozen people active at night per street in the busiest part of town was unrealistic. I should have probably insisted that they live in a World of Darkness TM

>>97842176
Come on, Vargo died in an epic battle with Michael Faraday

>>97841975
>>97842071
>>97842214
Man, did the Metis player sign up for the Misery porn experience (I'm aware this is sort of a rhetorical question as he willingly wanted to play a Red Talon Metis) for you to make his life so miserable? Nice read though, but it really sounds like everyone's trying to make that guy's life worse. I suppose that makes sense since as a Metis he's basically the local bitch

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>>97840427
Because I am an autist, I will point out that some still have Avatars. Like Changelings.

>>97842277
So are changelings a mix of humans and fae or do they just hijack a human when he's born?

>>97842321
The former for 99% of Changelings. The latter for the 1%'ers (Arcadian Sidhe)

>They gained ground and Nakia shot an arrow at the creature. It did some damage, but since it’s a hollow man I just told them that the creature didn’t seem to feel any shock
>The second arrow botched, so I told him that it planted right where the first one was and split it in two. Then he could notice that there was no blood, and the second arrow fall on the ground. As if pushed out from the inside
>Eventually they cornered the creature and found out that it’s Rick, who has been turned into a Hollow Man
>Stig, noticing the Wyrm presence, and having spent a lot of rage shapeshifting a lot during the chase, immediately jump on Rick
>Stig is first, second Rick, then Rémis, Amber and Nakia.
>Rick only tried to flee but after ascending 10 meters with his flight power he was pinned down MMA style by Rémis in Crinos style
>Stig and Amber, in Crinos too, did a lot of damage. Nakia shot his arrow with an awfully lot amount of dice to hit but he scored low on damage and my lucky rolls managed to soak it up. Nakia thought that this, and his previous attacks (one failed, one did damage but was regenerated) meant that his attacks are useless and he began to sulk
>Finally Rick use his dispersion power when he was about to die (homebrew). The swarm of horse flies inside him exited and left the skin behind. As long as the skin is “alive” the swarm couldn’t take a new host, but it could heal and strike any time. If the skin is destroyed, the swarm will flee and try to find a new body to inhabit… but it will lose its memories and thus forget its mission.
>Nakia decided to destroy the skin by burning it, Stig kept the face as a trophy and the fight resumed against the swarm
>The insect, battered and on the verge of dying tried to flee by flying to the rooftops, but Stig took Nakia and while carrying them parkoured to the top. Rémis did the fastball special on Amber.
>Finally Nakia managed to finish off the swarm and Stig howled in memory of Rick.

>>97842244
Or he fled because he didn't want to endanger more life when people started fighting back. I go with the 'Paradox erased everything' option.

>>97842277
What's stopping these local special interest-having autismos from True Naming themselves into Mage-hood or at least making their fae soul and their avatar both stay awake?
>>97842333
Sidhe chads stay winning

>>97842369
>What's stopping these local special interest-having autismos from True Naming themselves into Mage-hood or at least making their fae soul and their avatar both stay awake?
dunno, you decide why. Maybe Banality goes overcharged by Paradox and they die. Maybe Fae part of the soul can't handle being inferior to the Avatar part of the soul.
Meta reason is that it would be too overpowered.

>>97842334
>The second arrow botched, so I told him that it planted right where the first one was and split it in two. Then he could notice that there was no blood, and the second arrow fall on the ground. As if pushed out from the inside
Hitting the first arrow and splitting it in two so they could notice an important clue is not a catastrophic failure. Do you know what a botch is or how those are supposed to work?

>So the game came to an end. Over five hours, more than six if we also count the time of us just talking
>The players really appreciated the experience, Stig who is usually a forever and professional DM sent me some video tips to help me STing
>They are coming to love WoD, and even if they find the system complicated because of unfamiliarity, they are willing to master it and get more fun out of it
>The only one who wasn’t having fun was Nakia’s player. Said that it was 2/10 and almost made him drop the game forever.
>His main beef was that he spent over an hour doing nothing but listening to two other players interact with me
>Also that he felt that I explicitly told him that his arrows, his main source of damage and whole fighting gimmick did nothing (which I didn’t do, and I always explained OOC what was currently happening and why)
>Fortunately Stig’s player came to my rescue. I wasn’t saying much because I had 0 energy left after the game, and I admit that I take badly negative reviews. Not constructive criticism. That is good. But comment was of 2/10, and “almost made me quit forever” hurt me deeply. Especially when the reason I volunteered to ST an online game in the first place (when it is notorious in our group that I abhor doing that) was because Nakia’s player is moving to the great north for months, and I did this so our group doesn’t fizzle out when waiting for games that would take place once per three months.
>Today Nakia’s player wrote me an apology. He told me that being in an online game amplified any negative emotions that he could have buried normally and he took it out on me.
>I didn’t feel like bringing to the surface how I felt and just thanked him for his apology, and I made a mental note to make sure that I interact with all the players at the same time, even if they’re separated, in the future. I won’t let it go over half an hour at worst.

So yeah, that’s session 1.

>>97842419
It's his game and his table, so it's his rules.

You want to do it differently, run your own game.

>>97842454
If you want to be a crybaby bitch because someone asked if a ST understands the rules or not then you go die on that hill, bud.
This guy admittedly gets upset about negative feedback. So perhaps a better understanding of the rules alongside story flow and player engagement can help keep people from feeling left out.

Strange fucking thing to get defensive about.

>>97842526
You're getting awfully hostile about the fact that people can play the game however they want.

>>97842437
Oof, Primary Protagonist Problem Player. Always fun to deal with. If you have players like that it's a good idea to not let them split up and play as a group as if the focus is not on them for long enough they will take it as a personal slight. Don't take it personally, if you're a new ST and going out of your way the group should be doing their best to support. Running a ttrpg is a skill and you will get better at it over time, unfortunately many players never try to learn how to be better players.

>>97842526
He was clearly throwing a player who was getting stroppy a bone to keep to game on track. Sometimes to keep good pacing if players are just repeating non-effective things you bend the rules. Might have been a mistake or not, but we weren't in the group so it up to the ST to make his mind up if it was the right approach.

>>97842275
He usually plays clown characters, so it was a bit of fresh air for him that he enjoyed. He still is a bit of a clown with Rémis lol

>>97842419
Sure. I guess that I just went with the kiddy gloves out of worry that the player that I sensed wasn’t having fun could go worse.

>>97842526
I do accept criticism, and honestly if it was 5 or 4 out of ten I could have understood. But 2… from a friend, it hurts.

>>97842557
I will do my best to learn and improve. And slowly/quickly go through the core rulebook.

>>97842608
Hey if that was your first time running a game congratulations. Most peoples first time trying to run a game is a bit poor but it sounds like most of them had fun. I know my first attempts to run games was not great. Plus you did it online and online games are significantly harder to do than in person as it loses a lot of the subtler parts of communication that a good RP session relies on AND you were introducing a new system and setting the group has not done before. Congrats.

You progressed from being a pure player to running a game. Something that the vast majority of people will never do. It gives you a new appreciation of the whole process.

>>97842675
Not my first time, did a few games of Call of Chtulhu and one DnD 5e set in a fantasy WW2, but I got a horrible player pretending to be my friend doing his best to ruin every game and pin the fault on me. His plan was to turn the group against me and get me kicked. It didn’t work but it was a good part of what soured me from DMing forever.

>publicly blog about your game idea for the better part of the week
>mention numerous times where the game takes place, even in conversations that aren't about your game
>show everyone you have no firm grasp of the setting by letting the players be walking contradictions that make no sense
>show everyone you have no firm grasp of how the adult working world works by thinking an accountant can simply work at home over the phone for a week
>show everyone you have no firm grasp of how relationships work with EVERYTHING about that wife
>show everyone you have no idea how kinfolk work by ignoring how they're the backbone of Garou society who handle all the mundane shit so that the wolves can focus on wyrm-busting
>Skin Dancers giving out business cards for the purpose of doing Skin Dancer things
>show the players that you're a fucking doormat by letting them continue to ignore the veil and just be parkouring anime-tards bouncing rooftop to rooftop
>publicly admit you don't take negative feedback very well, while posting on goddamn 4chan
>receive anonymous pats on the back for a job well done because you did things 'your way' in 'your game'

Brilliant marketing!
Showcasing how bad things can get under the old setting and rules by making up some of the worst dogshit ever in order to make W5 look better by comparison.
Defending yourself with juvenile and completely unhelpful positivity is the icing on the cake.

Sweden can't sink into the sea fast enough.

>>97842725
I'm so sorry that someone was wrong on the internet. Please continue to publically tard out about it so that you can achieve what ever it is your getting from this.

>>97842725
Thin skin detected.

>>97842334
>>97842437
Very cool anon, thank you for sharing. Yeah I guess it's a delicate balancing act making sure that there's never anyone just outright spending time doing nothing twiddling their thumbs. iirc the Mage liveplay Norfolk Wizard Game (very good) handles this buy just jump cutting between characters every 10ish or more minutes if they're separated so that things run concurrently. It's slow admittedly from what I've seen but it seems like a good solution.
>>97842608
It is kind of funny though don't get me wrong, I just find it interesting that it's pretty much just his character who the misery wheel of fate lands on

>>97842725
Is this a fabled Woof post? Jokes aside, in his own game and especially with a bunch of people new to the setting it's not necessarily a huge deal to deviate from the established setting. The earlier versions of the game very clearly tell you that if you don't like something you should feel free to change it, even if it's the edgy angst of the setting that you don't like. Most anons on here have at least pointed out very regularly stuff that's contradictory or told him to actually finish reading the rules, so it isn't as if it's just anonymous pats on the back.
>make W5 look better
Schizopost aside, the way none of the Garou actually have jobs is kind of neat though I still say the wife stuff is kind of silly but if the RT wanted it to be that way it is what it is

How much you wanna bet that 97842725 is a vampslopper?

>>97842725
I feel like you’re making it a bigger deal than it already is. And surely bait. I do intend to patch and improve where I have faults of logic though, so that’s why I won’t bother responding to most of those

>publicly admit you don't take negative feedback very well, while posting on goddamn 4chan
Please, we are on 4chan. I wouldn’t be here if I had that thin of a skin. I do seek help to plan games, and improve my STing skills but here is the wrong place for “pats on the back”.

>>97842333
That 1% is too much, we must take immediate action. There's one man who can help us...

>>97842383
I suppose the idea might be offensive or concerning. What happens when the whole Fae part of them naturally dies of old age at like early 30's?
>>97842922
When the world needing him most, he vanished

>>97842892
>won’t bother responding to most of those
This seems to be the approach you've taken with everything from handling the "faults of logic" that were pointed out previously to why your players argued with you over trying to maintain the veil in favor of rooftop hopping out in the open.
Based on the notes from this session and your nonchalant responses to the real problems others have pointed out, your game is very quickly turning into the kind of game that made people roll their eyes when werewolf was brought up back in the IRC days. They all either became superhero shit or orgies. The only in-between being that it was sometimes both of those at the same time.

Continue jerking yourself off over playing the game how you want to play it though if that's gets you through the day.

>>97842826
Only woofs are this thin-skinned.

>>97843068
Okay I am biting.
Please give us an account of your last WtA session Mr Werewolf Arbitrator. Tell what your correct sessions of werewolf play like.

>>97843153
>biting
If you huggy faggots don't want to see critique, concerns or anything remotely negative said over how other people play their fucking games then don't post a fucking blog about in public. Especially when the ST and the players are such obvious caricatures.
How hard is this to understand?

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>>97843222
>Evading.
I want to critique you anon. You do play, don't you?

>NWO Agent
>Faggot
>Progenitor
>Syndicate Associate
>Void Engineer
Are these the proper terms for the members of each Convention?

>>97843291
Associates are the lowest rank of the Syndicate (providers don't count since they're not in on it) so it's better to use whatever methodology they're in.
>>Faggot
You got Iteration X mixed up with V*id E*gineers

>>97843264
The ability for anyone to point out that a Red Talon Accountant is a lore contradiction, as a quick example from the much larger pool of questionable things, doesn't depend on them providing a 40-page session log of their own.

>>97843366
>Evading
>Evading
>Evading

>>97843291
>brainwashed brainwasher
>brainwashed tool
>brainwashed tool
>brainwashed hedonist
>Void Engineer
fixed

>>97843366
Come on anon you're not a coward. It's not like you're a no-games who people won't play with.

Is it?

>>97842333
waay more than 1% like sidhe are still in the minority compared to all commoners but a lot of commoners permadied between the shattering and the moonlanding so the sidhe outnumbered any other kith in concordia and that was before the second wave of houses

so at least more than 6.6% in the western world before the second wave and now probably closer to 12

>>97843379
>>97843403
Your friends should question your ability to run a game while at the table with you if it gets you to find your balls and make demands. At least then you'd be in a position to actually DO something if those demands aren't met.

>>97843472
Okay that settles it you don't play Werewolf. You're either a coward or bitter or both.

Also wrong anon. I'm not the one who was posting about their game.

>>97843401
>Retard convention filled with taitors and suicidal manchildren is getting uppity again
Funding slashed, Challenger blown up.

>>97843504
what a brainwashed drone thing to say

>>97843515
You're a T*adition, not a Convention. Half of you are either marauders or nephandi. The other half does everything in it's power to do anything but advance the union's goals. The 5th precept exists for a reason.

>>97842786
>just jump cutting between characters every 10ish or more minutes if they're separated
This is critical and something that my ST has been forced to get good at because we're always splitting up and running all over like chipmunks on crack.

>>97843366
Well after looking at his character sheet I did talk to him about being an accountant. He only had one dot in academics and science and was poor. He decided to switch it up with janitor, and one of his contracts is for an accounting firm

>>97843495
>that settles it
I've been playing it longer than you've been stealing oxygen from others. Sit down.
Again, pointing out the numerous flaws in that blogging autist's game isn't about demanding that their game be played perfectly. It's to point out things that should be addressed. The metis Red Talon stuff goes without saying. But that hobo girl that "burned out her pain receptors" on heroin to ignore injury difficulties is a classic attempt at munchkin powergaming and a player straight up arguing with the ST so they can ignore not drawing attention to themselves to do cool shit are absolutely things that should be addressed.

Thankfully, the ST seems to be taking the criticisms in the manner they were intended and making some changes >>97843613

>>97843662
Again, tell us about your game coward.

>ventrue training system is called agoge (ἀγωγή, pronounced ah-go-GAY
What did they mean by this?

>>97843676
That the price of success in includes your ass.

Do you have the greentext where a drunken biker beats up Santa Claus, who was abducting children and may have been a True Fey?

>>97843676
"Get used to butt stuff! You'll need it!"

>>97843676
well you know how the spartans been like

>>97843928
Constantly bragging about their martial prowess and manliness, while being approximately as good at both war and buggery as Athenians?

>>97843935
also way to reliant on slaves which i guess could be used as ventrue slander?

>>97843948
>implying you don't have slaves

>>97843935
>>97843676
>>97843928
But what does this imply about Ventrue gayness? Which clans are they gayest and the straightest?

>>97844153
Fortitude is for those who take it, if you know what I mean.

>>97844153
All clans are gay except for the Nosferatu who are incels

>>97844153
straightest clan is gangrel
too bad they fuck dogs

>>97844153
ventrue are the gayest clan but that's entirely because of alexander's line who have taken his story about becoming a insane romance obsessed yandere who turned someone into a rose and got kicked out of the city he helped create because of it and blamed the women for turning him insane

>>97844153
>Vampires
>Straight
No such thing
>Gayest
Brujah or Toreadors

>>97844453
Toreadors aren't gay they are french! there is a difference

>>97843666
He doesn't play games. This is the anon that shits up the thread every time Werewolf gets brought up. Every woof discussion is actually relatively civil aside from one poster who has no grasp on the setting and starts to cry and bemoan how thinskinned everyone is. There are no words to describe how pathetic this person is.

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>>97840427
imagine a mage bloodbonded to you up to their fucking eyeballs, that's how

>>97844251
Gangrel are too straight. Like the guy who is down to eat an unwashed prostitute's ass in a parking lot. There's a point where you become worse than a fag.

>>97840506
There was a mage once that tried to make California sink into the ocean, and while that did transport him to a California-sized paradox realm (the largest one known) the real California was unaffected.

>>97840521
>And that goes straight to my "Creative uses for threats to reality" file.
Weaponized paradox?
https://youtu.be/IxGQSGfOTnE

>>97844210
>>97844216
>>97844251
>>97844285
>>97844453
What I'm hearing is that everyone agrees Gangrels are straight (for animals) and everyone except the Setites (Pansexuals) and the Tzimisce (painsexuals) are gay?

>>97845208
Yeah p. Much

I disagree with this thread's conclusions. Ventrue are the only clan that can have their sexual preferences enshrined in their very being. A Ventrue can be ontologically straight or ontologically gay. They are also the only clan who can have a fetish so powerful that it restricts what blood they can drink. This can go beyond sex too. You can have a Ventrue that is ontologically racist or managerial or even impious.

I like customizable clan curses and the Ventrue have one of the best ones.

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>when you further the meme of a technology having a fatal flaw just to establish it within the consensus so as to fuck over the Technocracy's plans via the rules of their own game

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One of these men is a Syndicate mage.
One of these men is a servant of the Wyrm.
One of these men is a Ventrue ghoul.

Which is which?

>>97845312
trick question, all nephandi

>>97845312
Ellison is a mage
Walton is a wyrm servant
Zuck is the ghoul who was recently embraced

>>97845277
This reminds me, I've been wondering how you lads would stat the spheres of a Fudd/ Boomer mage that's essentially a gunslinger. While he would magically enhance classic rounds like .45 or 30-06 to do way more damage than they should, and a revolver to never fail, or .22 to instantly kill giant creatures, the main appeal would be rendering the weapons of others borderline ineffective simply because he believes that they suck.
>"See those red-dots on their pistols? Those damned kids probably don't even know how to aim. All you need is irons, sonny"
>enemies suddenly miss every shot
>"9mm? Jesus sonny, learn to aim!"
>police/ gangsters/ Technocracy goons suddenly can't aim for shit and miss every shot
>"You know, a Fifty-Caliber rifle can kill a man without even hitting him!"
>single shot from a Barrett instantly kills everyone in a confined room despite only hitting one of them
>"That there M16 is a Jam-o'-matic, don't ever bother with one of those Mattel pieces of junk."
>perfectly fine AR jams and can't be cleared
>wins the Ascension War because he bought 1911's for every member of the Traditions by reverse-mortgaging his vast rental property empire

>>97845353
Sounds like Matter, Prime, and Entropy.

>>97845353
>he would magically enhance classic rounds like .45 or 30-06 to do way more damage than they should
Matter and optionally Forces.
>and a revolver to never fail
Matter and Entropy.
>and a revolver to never fail, or .22 to instantly kill giant creatures
Entropy and Life or Matter.
>the main appeal would be rendering the weapons of others borderline ineffective simply because he believes that they suck.
Mind.
Prime's going to be very useful too.

>>97845368
>>97845372
My thanks, gentlemen.

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Drawfag back with another Zettler version. I like this one a lot more.

>>97845386
He looks like the villain of a "WHAT HAS SCIENCE DONE?!' monster movie. Not an original 1950s one either, like an 80s or 90s love letter to them.

This is a good thing.

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What’s his Tribe?

>>97845413
Garou: "What has science done!!!!!"
Zettler: "Exactly what it was supposed to...."

Rewatching original CSI I am shocked there was never a Las Vegas by night and I sorta want to run a chronicle there

>>97845433
I can only imagine a Sheriff who is constantly busy hunting down every splat that tries to use their disciplines/spheres/whatever to try and bankrupt casinos.

>>97845440
According to the random info and books, major gambling, especially cardgames, are banned, you also get chased out if you lose enough to get attention as well

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>>97845433
>a Las Vegas by night
Sorry Count Dorkula, but Awakened Chads run this town.

>>97840277
Where is that from, specifically?

>>97840427
Almost everyone has avatars anon, just not awakened ones that can pierce the veil.

>>97842176
>>97842337
I get where you're coming from dndfag, but it's an incredibly boring idea. The Czar Vargo arc was a decades-long clean-up.

>>97845512
>Where is that from, specifically?
The Crucible scenario in the gehenna book.

>>97845433
I vaguely remember there being a BSD Hive and a Giovanni sub-family based in Vegas, but yeah as far as established stuff goes >>97845465 it's mostly Mage territory.

>>97845522 (Me)
...I just looked it up and the Giovanni capo of Las Vegas is literally named Shlomo Rothstein.

>>97845530
Mr Israel Goldstein immortal bloodsucking mobster

>>97845415
>Breaking chain, wraps, the ear rings
Bone Gnawer, probably

M5 will flip the script and turn the Traditions into the antagonists and players assume the role of newly indoctrinated Union recruits that are stuck dealing with old 'Crat technology and the possibility of being automated out of existence.

>The Syndicate now largely owns the Union. In addition to global economics they also manage Reality as a Service. The cost of which is baked-in to every subscription service you can think of. NPCs only.
>Iteration X has been gutted by agile management mandates. They've gone from "The Terminator" to "Battlebots" in scope and in budget. Some hybridized with the bulk of the NWO (see below). Those who didn't work on drones now.
>The NWO became victims of a shady success. They claim they pioneered a series of device apps that revolutionized the brainwashing and mental conditioning processes. It's 1,000% more effective than a Man in Black in a dark room and it runs on a standard smartphone. Once the apps went live the Syndicate looked at their budget, laughed and downsized them to only what is needed to maintain the apps. The remaining NWO personnel are tight-lipped about the nature of the app suite.
>New Convention: Prompters.
>Prompters began as a joint venture between downsized NWO and Iteration X vestiges who developed a LLM that used the Avatars of captive Mages as the "data" they scraped for their outputs. An early working model of this LLM was leaked to the public and Sleepers that use it unwittingly cause minute amounts of ontological damage. They get nearly ALL the funding.
>Progenitors have been downsized and adopted a more Syndicate-like approach to their field. Instead of curing a disease once, they provide only maintenance treatments on a subscription basis. Cloning has taken a back seat for now but their mastery of medicine puts them in a unique position to assist the Prompters by keeping their captives in an induced coma while the LLM turns their Avatars into junk data.
>Voi[REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED]

>>97845433
>The Prince of Las Vegas is Benedic, a Ventrue
>The Sheriff is a Nosferatu, Montrose. His exploits are presented in the opening fictions of Guide to the Camarilla and Guide to the Sabbat
>The local Tremere Chantry specializes in research of the Kuei-jin
>There is a Setite Temple rumored to be the nearby desert
>It used to be a popular destination for the Ravnos, before the Bangladesh Incident
>One the Giovanni Bloodlines, the Rothsteins, is based there, and is in a rivalry with the Camarilla for control of the city.

>>97845607
honestly as a dude who is autistically married to trying not to change the lore events or real world history, I'm kinda glad there's not as much info as compared to other cities given their own dedicated books. I don't even touch Chicago

>>97845465
I love that in oWoD, every splat thinks they run the town.

>>97845514
Thanks man.

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>>97845415
Fag tribe.

>>97845386
What a friendly fellow. I'm sure he's working towards the betterment of mankind.

>>97845415
Shadow Lords canonically vote Republican.

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>>97845433
There is technically a Rage Across Las Vegas.. it's just via the trading card game.

>>97845149
Amongst other innovative, untested and highly dangerous ideas.

>>97845599
Thanks I hate it

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>>97843676
>>97843851
>>97843878

>>97845312
Fake list. These lists exclude nobility, officially so it won't be all oil sheikhs, but officially so it won't be all Rotschilds.

>>97845599
This is pretty bad, they'll somehow come up with something even worse.

>>97846406
Yeah, I was running on little sleep and dwindling caffeine when I put that together. It could be better.

>>97846448
Please, don't give them any ideas. W5 is a perfect example of them actively trying to make things worse.

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>>97845599
... Fuck it why not? Sounds more entertaining than whatever nothing burger plot the last 2 games had.

>>97846406
How would they do that?
>Make mages hilariously wrong about every part of the wider setting
or
>Gut mage powerlevels in both TT combat and in-setting

>>97846811
The main ethos of the 5th edition seems to be that you have to be homeless nobodies, and any kind of organization is bad. So I'm guessing we would play as either the Crafts or some newly made up equivalent, and both Traditions and Technocrats will be antagonist only.

>>97846811
It's gonna be both
>Erm, all old mages are le evil and / or insane
>Traditions and Technocrats suddenyl lose all their knowledge (or they just retcon everything0
>Paradox wil literally explode you if a single sleeper sees you do minor vulgar magic
>Horizon is off-limits
>You're forced to play as a low arete mage forever with no hope of ever getting archspheres
>No joining either side of the ascension war
>Changing the consensus? Ascension for all? Lmao, get fucked. If you're lucky you might get close to ascension (won't let you achieve it though)

>>97846283
The Numidium is one of my favorite concepts from fiction just for how gross it is as a WMD. It's a mechanized atropal that commands the negation of reality in an ever-advancing aggression corresponding to how it's been directed.
The common lore? It was used to achieve the Warp In The West and then exploded.
The deep lore? It time-traveled back to an indeterminate point and started breaching through in the Summerset Isles with the direction of erasing the elves, requiring the Altmer to form a secret sect devoted to maintaining a ward to hold back the manifesting negation of all material reality at the cost of their own lives.
It's hard to overstate how much the Dwemer fucked up.

>>97845386
>boss asks to give presentation about your new biopharma firm's SSRI breakthrough to the parent company
>excitedly prepare a series of slides showing the projected profits from treating the depressed
>to your horror they seem very bored, disengaged, and a couple even look annoyed
>as you get to the last slide you sheepishly announce that there is risk of adverse reactions that induce panic attacks, hallucinations, high blood pressure, hypersensitivity to pain, and possible early onset schizophrenia

>the director immediately across the table from you looks at you like this

God itt. I'm flabbergasted by current events (and Cain still can't get the message), so i'm rescheduling Apocalypse for two weeks from now on. Post your best ideas, top 7 will make it to the end.

>>97846868
c0da isn't canon

>>97846283
Mind sharing some? Asking for a friend haha

>>97846811
The Ascension War is over, the technocrats "won" but now their own Procedures are starting to fail and all the higher ups, executives and senior administrators all fucking vanished off the face of the Earth. It's intern reality rules lawyers vs wizard larpers.

>>97846880
Don’t think about a giant ghost marshmallow man

Don’t think about a giant ghost marshmallow man

Don’t think about a giant ghost marshmallow man

>>97846880
please open the shroud. I wanna see the giovanni get totally fucked by their own master plan but they can't seem to get it work

>>97846880
My dick.

>>97846880
Tzimisce was always (and still is) just a cool guy. He might be the coolest even

>>97846465
>>97846479
Don't worry anons it could always be worse Though I think the scuffed circumstances for V5, H5, and W5 are exceptional. Mage 5 seems to be a lot more earnest than simply a quick cashgrab from whoever was available or whoever hated the IP while Mage itself is a lot less chud-coded than Werewolf

>>97846924
c0da states that everything is canon, so really it could be and could not be at the same time. My weird niche porn of Elder Scrolls though? Canon

>>97846934
Alright, for Union eyes only:
>Brainwashing mages without processing, build him up and funnel resources through proxies. Uppon achieving a higher rank within his tradition, activate sleeper agent protocol.
>Portable EDE containment cells, release on mages. Inbuilt self-destruction protocols will trigger once the mage is dead or a certain period of time passes, usually kept short.
>Remote ways to forcefully embrace mages without the need of a vampire.
>Mass procession of sleepers for short periods of time. Causes the local consensus to change, mages can perform more vulgar spells. Once their spells get powerfull enough you flip the switch and the consensus shifts instantly.
>Processed werewolf shock troops. Intense social conditioning followed by mechanical augmentation (powerful explosive / rapid bioagent is a must). Bomb will go off uppon death or if the target will be killed by the blast. Syndicate recommends certain SPD upgrades.
>Using captured kitain to create a Union equivalent of the dreaming and connecting the masses to it.
Feel free to suggest something else, we're always looking to improve.
>Bringing RDs into the consensus through scientific means, declaring them a threat and utilizing sleepers to get rid of them. Once they're extinct make sure to rewrite all historical records once a certain ammount of time passes.

>>97846859
I'd argue that the main focus is community, that the players are expected to ground themselves in the humanity within their immediate vicinity, that at least half of every game should be about navigating human society and working with humans rather than diving into the supernatural.
This is why so many werewolves have nine-to-fives and have a nine-to-five as a merit, this is why hunters aren't allowed to join dedicated monster-hunting orgs and must remain grass-roots hunters doing it for their local communities, this is why so much focus was placed on the Anarchs as the good guys of V5 who look after the people around them even as they feed off of them, and this is why all three games are committed to touchstones as a mandatory aspect of the game.
Fifth edition does NOT want you to fuck off from humanity and spend your life innawoods, lurking in sewers, or fucking around in another dimension, and a good chunk of its mechanics are devoted to punishing anyone who doesn't spend long enough around ordinary people.
So this will probably be the case with M5. Gain Paradox or Quiet every day that you don't interact with normies, lose a little Paradox for spending a scene with your touchstone once per story, if you don't have a touchstone you suffer quadruple the Paradox and Quiet and are constantly on the verge of becoming a Marauder, that kind of thing.

>>97846977
That's just Revised.

>>97846859
>>97848814
It is simultaneously
>we must try to be humans n shieet
>you VILL be a homeless nobody
>we must organize
>but the MAN is a bad organization and will rape your soul for trying
I think part of the reason WoD5 isn't well regarded or doesn't work is it tries to have it's cake and eat it too. The severity of the situation is one that pushes your group towards social isolation but you can never properly divorce yourself from society (and are punished in turn for trying) despite the game also beating you over the head that society is evil and that outside of your PC buds, others can't entirely be trusted and that anyone with authority starting a movement is a big bad and will result in a bad outcome. It tries too hard to be grass roots without really giving the player a chance to determine it for themselves I think

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>>97846880
Something like this.

>>97849724
I think it's trying to be soulful, by emphasising how utterly dark and doomed the world is and how in spite of that, there are still some glimmers of hope and goodness and how meaningful change is possible.
The issue is, it's poorly written and comes across as schizophrenia. The hopeful parts of it are extremely preachy and make it sound like anyone who doesn't fight the good fight is a bad person, while the grim parts are excessively pessimistic and insists that there's no hope at all, that everything's doomed and that any impact that you have on the world is going to be short-lived.
It's the difference between:
>The world might be full of bad people doing bad things, but there's good people too, and there's enough of us that we can make a difference if we work together. There's a light at the end of the tunnel, we just need to try to reach it.
>The world's gone to shit and there's no fixing it. The planet's been raped, everyone you love is just fodder for monsters, and anyone with any power is either evil or becomes evil in short order. But you're a pathetic fucking pussy if you don't fight back anyway, you worthless cunt. It's useless and hopeless and your death will mean nothing to anyone, but at least it's better than being a cowardly piece of shit. What are you waiting for? Go and make a martyr out of yourself for no fucking reason, you absolute retard.

>>97848488
I like to think that the shock of Bloodlines 2 last year has made them reconsider how they are actually treating the IP. They fucked up what they themselves described as the WoD's crown jewel, the entire reason they snagged it of CCP. Something which in the hands of competent direction should have been a major hit and paved the way for a lot more. Maybe they have had the realisation that if they keep fumbling it they are in danger of burning the entire setting as something people care about. I'm not even sure if they have managed commercial success with H5 and W5.

>>97849995
>they are in danger of burning the entire setting as something people care about
They really don't care what others think. If you don't like their vision then you're not their customer and that's across the board for Swedish companies.

>>97849847
>>The world's gone to shit and there's no fixing it
>>Go and make a martyr out of yourself for no fucking reason, you absolute retard

There's a timeline somewhere where they made W5 after reading too much Spengler and it came out of the oven with everyone deciding that the Red Talons were right all along, despite Gaia being dead.

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>>97846880
Arise, Lord! Deliver me, my God! Strike all my enemies on the jaw; break the teeth of the wicked.
Go all Old Testament on demons and other servants of evil.

>>97846880
Make the theory that Ennoia is actually Gaia true and then tell all the woofs, it'd be so fucking funny

Hear me out, let's say an incredibly autistic Knocker with time and access to a freehold for Glamour creates a chimerical nuke, he then launches it aiming at a heavily populated city, and just before it hits it's target, he invokes the Wyrd. Wouldn't that be fun?
Alternatively, what about creating a chimerical minefield of hundreds of bombs flying just above the buildings? That would make the whole Changeling population quite nervous, because they could technically go Wyrd at any moment.

>>97850974
This doesn't seem to be in the spirit of changeling though, this is basically removing glamour permanently

>>97850204
Did we read the same W5? I wish they were telling Garou to martyr themselves rather than Paradox being pussies about potentially "advocating terrorism".

>>97851010
Ok, he's a Goblin then, not a Knocker. Also, it would create tons of Glamour brah. Just imagine that sweet despair and fear, I can already taste it.

>>97846880
Have Assam come back, but really into early 2010's libertarianism. Make the Lasombra join the Anarchs too, but because the Black Hand turned on them. Oh, and have the Technocracy's leadership show back up, but larping even harder as the Combine.
I'd personally like to see Caine become the manager for a shitty indie band.

So I was reading about North American cryptids, specifically the Canadian ones since I figured that they’d be less known.

Any of you heard of “Jack mistigris”? Seems like unseelie changelings, but I wouldn’t discard shifters. Though taking people’s souls seems more like a demon thing.

>>97851158
>Jack mistigris are fantastic creatures from Quebec folklore . They are half-human, half-animal creatures that generally dance in groups in the heart of the Laurentian forest . They usually kill their victims, some of whom join them in their macabre dances until the end of time.
>They are always in groups. At nightfall, they begin their macabre dances. They jump, roll, tumble, and clatter their bones, adopting grotesque and obscene positions
Canadian furries.

>>97851035
Repeat after me:
"Just for today, I will not kill the normies"

>>97851254
Oh I see, that's what they call edging, right? Ok then, I won't kill any b*nals today.
Thank anon, I'm already salivating for tomorrow!

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>>97851323
No
>Hits you with a tax return and excel spreadsheets.

>>97851238
Worse than regular furries, those are Canadians
Worse still, once they glomped you they turned you into a furry and locked in yiffing forever

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>>97851368
>once they glomped you they turned you into a furry and locked in yiffing forever
At least one can still an hero.

>>97851466
I mean, if your soul isn’t a good Christian then you get furred, but if you kill yourself you get sent to hell (where those furries probably come from). Ain’t no way out of this, pray that you have high humanity

>>97851483
I sold my soul more than a decade ago.

>>97851466
>Hotline Miami: Highschool AU

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>>97851020
Paradox are fucking pathetic. They're like if SquareEnix pussied out and removed all the terrorism from Final Fantasy 7 in the remake.
>uhhhh killing the corporate police and bombing the reactor is too controversial
>let's replace it with a protest :DDDDD

>>97851158
>>97851238
Seems to fit the description of the Fuath, one of the Adhene.

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>>97851532
>that picture

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>>97851583
The worst part is she's a "Red Talon" and one of her characters' abilities is to summon 20 peaceful protestors from her NGO that will run away from violence at the first opportunity. I wish I were kidding.

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>>97846880
Whichever antediluvian wins the jyhad gets exactly ten seconds to savor the victory, then Wendell Delburton runs up behind him and beats him to death with a folding chair.

>>97851667
>posted a zip bomb of an anti-abortion manifesto on Hunter.Net
>it had absolutely nothing to do with supernaturals at all

And this man went hit for hit with the devil himself.

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>>97851627
>meanwhile, Glass Walker kinfolk be like

>>97851783
Kinfolk got retconned out of existence because it's "racist" and "eugenics" to have tribes tied to ethnic groups and warrior bloodlines.

>>97851825
Irrelevant.

I've been a VtM and WtA baby for a long while and only recently got into reading mage...
so I've been wondering
What keeps werewolves and vampires and such from being "Bygones" like dragons and other mythical monsters? it is not like they weren't supernatural physical beings in their own right and they're all gone (presumably)

>>97851952
>What keeps werewolves and vampires and such from being "Bygones" like dragons and other mythical monsters?
My dick.

>>97851952
>What keeps werewolves and vampires and such from being "Bygones" like dragons and other mythical monsters? it is not like they weren't supernatural physical beings in their own right and they're all gone (presumably)
They're both built as touching some of the core parts of reality that Consensus can't fuck with. Like how magic poking at the embrace tends to have horrible results.

>>97851985
>Like how magic poking at the embrace tends to have horrible results.
true true, God and Gaia both have some pretty firm grips on their territory so to speak. well too bad for the dragons then

>>97851952
Not spirits per se, so they can actually exist in the world. Ghosts and shit though? Idk
>>97851825
Retconned out of existence because furry forced breeding is a weird fetish for normies

>>97851158
>>97851238
>>97851368
https://youtu.be/bpYloHajJNs

>>97851825
>it's "racist" and "eugenics" to have tribes tied to ethnic groups and warrior bloodlines.
Maybe it is, and werewolves are bad people for exploiting kinfolk, much like vampires are bad in a dozen different ways, and it just underlines the poignancy of the World of Darkness.

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>>97852026
Yes, however that is unacceptable to the "modern audience" and thus they have to do things like portray Gaia as a kind accepting mother of everyone rather than an eco-fascistic bigot against anything that exists outside the bounds of the wyld.

>>97851952
>vampires
Writers' official explanation, the Curse of Caine is beyond magic because God wills it.
>werewolves
Werewolves believe that Gaia and the Weaver both have to agree something is paradoxical to make it so (and Gaia just refuses to for Fera despite the Weaver's wheedling), but unlike the Curse of Caine thing that might just be in universe cope. If so, nobody really knows.

>>97851952
>he actually thinks there's a way to make total oWoD cross-splat make sense

lel.

>>97851952
>>97852063
>>97852081
Everyone has always been wrong to some extent. Every faction is functioning with a broken understanding of the cosmos. Place Vampires, Wraiths, & Demons next to eachother, you have a Judeo-Christian environment where God is simultaneously allowing the world to fall apart but placing opportunities for redemption in the darkest of situations. Place Werewolves & Mages next to eachother and you have a universe where primordial spirits too powerful to die are in the process of annihilating the universe. Once you step above that, to the machinations of the Umbra, everything starts to get whacky. There's almost no rationalizing God & Angels vs. the Triatic Wyrm & the Weaver. You can make attempts to rationalize them as a storyteller, but trying to standardize all of it from a lore standpoint is a fool's errand.

>>97851952
Werewolves turning into anything other than Crinos is subtle magic. Turning Crinos is gauche but Paradox is afraid of catching Garou hands so instead of tearing the werewolf apart it manifests as Lunacy

>>97852331
hispo is always my favorite and go-to

>>97846872
Can you imagine being the poor fuck who succeeds so badly that he has to pitch a product directly to Zettler himself?

>>97846093
Who WOULDN'T trust that face? Only bigots!

>>97852415
On the bright side you might end up a Fomarch instead of dinner.

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Tell me about your current character, the one that you play:
>whats his dayjob?

>whats his dreamjob?

>did becoming a supernatural help or hinder him in his private life?

>where does he sleep?

>how is he armed?

>what motivates him to go on?

>proud or ashamed of scars?

>what is he afraid of?

>what fears has he conquered?

>did he vote in the last election?

>is he a good host?

And then we guess the splat

>>97852691
>whats his dayjob?
Coroner
>whats his dreamjob?
Detective/ PI
>did becoming a supernatural help or hinder him in his private life?
help
>where does he sleep?
broom closet cheapest apartment possible
>how is he armed?
lives in the city, he goes packing, retro police issue baretta
>what motivates him to go on?
why not
>proud or ashamed of scars?
fuckin rad
>what is he afraid of?
robots
>what fears has he conquered?
drowning
>did he vote in the last election?
pshh like it'd matter
>is he a good host?
he has *a* chair

>>97852691
>whats his dayjob?
private eye
>whats his dreamjob?
police commissioner
>did becoming a supernatural help or hinder him in his private life?
neither
>where does he sleep?
in a cheap motel
>how is he armed?
heavy pistol and fists
>what motivates him to go on?
the knowledge that there are monsters out there ruining the world and life on it for everyone else
>proud or ashamed of scars?
ashamed of his trauma
>what is he afraid of?
failing to make a meaningful difference with his life
>what fears has he conquered?
he's gotten over his aversion to corpses, he's had to
>did he vote in the last election?
no
>is he a good host?
no, he's boring as hell

>>97852703
My guess is vampire

>>97852731
Probably Hunter

>>97852691
>whats his dayjob?
Wagie
>whats his dreamjob?
Not having one
>did becoming a supernatural help or hinder him in his private life?
Debatable but probably hinder
>where does he sleep?
Crashes or squats with extended family or just anyone really
>how is he armed?
Naturally
>what motivates him to go on?
Faith and fun
>proud or ashamed of scars?
Proud
>what is he afraid of?
Remembering
>what fears has he conquered?
Pain
>did he vote in the last election?
Wasn't old enough, would've voted Reform
>is he a good host?
Nope, but would love to stay at your place a while

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>>97852691
>>whats his dayjob?
Student
>>whats his dreamjob?
Grave robber
>>did becoming a supernatural help or hinder him in his private life?
He is convinced he's kept it a secret from his family he is a moron
>>where does he sleep?
In the house he grew up in
>>how is he armed?
Pic related
>>what motivates him to go on?
Giving peace to the ghosts he meets
>>proud or ashamed of scars?
Ashamed
>>what is he afraid of?
His sister finding out
>>what fears has he conquered?
Death
>>did he vote in the last election?
He is underage
>>is he a good host?
His geist hasn't rebelled yet

>>97852822
Awoo~f?

>>97852832
Sin-Eater? Odd. How high is the probability that anyone but my group plays Geist in 2025+1?

>>97852818
>My guess is vampire
Yep, funny how the hunter has his dream job. He’s an independent lasombra. Obv doesn’t advertise that fact

>>97852843
>Awoo~f?
Yep, too easy that one even answering as vaguely as I could.

>>97852861
To be honest, i never found clan stuff to be all that interesting beyond the direct ties to your sire and maybe fellow vamps embraced by him. Covenants like the Ordu Dracul is what interests me most.

>>97852875
I wasn't 100% sure, but that's half the fun

>>97851783
>Kills CEO
>Nothing happens
Dude thought he could take on the Syndicate

>>97852962
>Just another billionaire sacrifice to Poseidon bro I swear that'll fix everything
t. The Verbena

>>97852962
>corpos scrambled to get him a death sentence to scare off copycats and supporters
>failed miserably
>fucked up the evidence so hard it's at risk of being thrown out
>spited the snitch so she might not even be a reliable witness anymore
>trial keeps being delayed, but the guy ain't paying and so loses nothing waiting
It did do something, though clearly not enough

>>97853011
Whether he goes to jail or not is purely cosmetic at this poin. He'll end up like Ted, most will forget, some will remember and nobody will act. The masses already forgot and everything goes on as usual.

>>97852691
>>whats his dayjob?
Works at a children's entertainment venue.
>>whats his dreamjob?
She's actually pretty comfy where she is.
>>did becoming a supernatural help or hinder him in his private life?
She didn't really have a private life before becoming a supernatural.
>>where does he sleep?
A building by the lake that used to be a police station.
>>how is he armed?
She has a small handful of tacky 'mall ninja' weapons.
>>what motivates him to go on?
Her friends and seeing people enjoy themselves.
>>proud or ashamed of scars?
Doesn't have any, but wouldn't like them.
>>what is he afraid of?
Banes.
>>what fears has he conquered?
We're only a couple of sessions in, so none yet.
>>did he vote in the last election?
Probably not.
>>is he a good host?
She probably would be.

>>97852372
>hispo is always my favorite and go-to
A couple of the people at my table were discussing at length last Friday that hispo and glabro don't get enough respect.

>>97853071
Changeling?
If so, keep away from dem kiddos.

>>97852691
>whats his dayjob?
Research librarian, part-time writer
>whats his dreamjob?
Chair at Oxford
>did becoming a supernatural help or hinder him in his private life?
Neither
>where does he sleep?
Small flat, various motels when traveling for work
>how is he armed?
Generally not
>what motivates him to go on?
Hope of getting published, becoming famous, and showing them all they were wrong
>proud or ashamed of scars?
Neither really but tries to hide them
>what is he afraid of?
The family curse. Curses in general. That one monster he still has nightmares about
>what fears has he conquered?
Claustrophobia
>did he vote in the last election?
He probably forgot
>is he a good host?
Tries to be but at best expect takeaway and cheap wine

>>97851952
The Curse of Caine and Werewolves have existed for an extremely long time. Much longer than things like the Consensus in all of it's various names became a concept in the human mind.
They were already interwoven into the collective fears of humanity because humans have feared the "predator in the night" since the Stone Age. Ironically, the Technocracy's push for a mundane world helps these monsters. If a scientist sees a vampire, they try to explain it as a "rare blood disease" rather than magic, which actually protects the vampire from being erased.

>>97852691
>whats his dayjob?
professional nepo baby with a fake job ala bateman
>whats his dreamjob?
Cult leader and big game hunter
>did becoming a supernatural help or hinder him in his private life?
you could say it gave him a fully new perspective on life
>>where does he sleep?
now that he has a few full time minions he got his own penthouse before that he just slept in hotel rooms because maintaining a place to perfection is such hard work without room service
>what motivates him to go on?
a mix of spite and the desire to see power used
>proud or ashamed of scars?
would deny having any scars because "imperfections need to be fixed immediately" and when you point out that you mean mental scars he would just stare at you
>what is he afraid of?
a lot of things: retribution, higher ups, making any sort of mistake that he can't correct
>what fears has he conquered?
last weekend he managed to take out a previous superior in a way that also got him higher on the morality scale of his splat which was a pretty big moment ingame
>did he vote in the last election?
wasn't a supernatural back then, but probably not
>is he a good host?
would like to be one and certainly has the money to throw around, but he doesn't get normal humans so if he wouldn't have the rest of the group around when planning a event he would be a awful host and have a mental break down over it

>>97853268
No idea.

>>97853354
Vampire or beast

>>97853375
>Vampire or beast
close. owod demon guy's original function during the rebellion and current greatest wish is to make magic weapons and see other people kill things with it

it's a mixed splat game

>>97852818
>Hunter
techie

>>97853168
>Changeling?
That's arguably more correct than the actual answer because a lot of surface-level aspects of the character were ported straight from a character from a CtL chronical which only lasted four sessions. She's actually a Kitsune.

>>97853375
>No idea.
Hunter (Arcanist).
To be fair he was a hastily ported over CoC character from a game that got dropped, originally.

>>97853411
>Hunter (Arcanist).
With a staggering killcount of 0. No, wait, maybe he bored a vampire to death with his arcane knowledge?

How's the new hunter game?

>>97853487
It's not out yet

>>97853487
the video game? who knows if that even gonna come out. They announced it the moment the parent company went under so they are likely looking for investment at the moment

>>97853489
Fair enough, I saw the uptick in Hunter comments and thought they released diet Amnesia.

>>97853554
>diet Amnesia
If they ever release it's probably gonna be a lot closer to Robocop: Rogue city. They put a lot of work into making Robocop feel like the movie so I'm tempted to try out their HtR game.

>>97853554
no the amnesia 2 company worked on vtmb2. Hunter is from the robo cop guys

so at least someone who can make shooters or so i been told

>>97851952
Arguably because humans in WoD are actually super special and the world revolves around them, or at least mundane reality does. Vampires, Fera and things like Changelings are linked to humanity inexorably in a way the most other Bygones like Unicorns or whatever are not. They are at least part human and so can't be excised from base reality like other things.

But don't try mixing the gamelines together. It was never originally designed for that and the seams start to show when you try to unify all the splats into a coherent whole.

>>97853411
CoC makes for bretty gud CofD adventures funnily enough. I ran several modules and all went pretty well so far.

>>97853403
What's the appeal of fera anyways? Woofs are already boring (to me), but sell me on the foxfolx.

>>97853388
Unsure if i ever had read about anyone playing OwOdemon before. Is it good?

>>97853601
>Unsure if i ever had read about anyone playing OwOdemon before. Is it good?
it's pretty jank not gonna lie. The rule book famously is kinda undercooked because the lead developer been in the hospital and white wolf would not delay the book or send more people, but when it works it's awesome however you sometimes hit like rule potholes... and also the different kind of demons are not balanced against each other at all in a way that stands out even compared to vampire clans or werewolf tribes

so playing a demon sugar daddy and being allowed to use all the really broken stuff (like the crafting system) from the splat in a mixed game is more fun than i ever had in a full demon game

>>97853588
>It was never originally designed for that
People keep forgetting the Storyteller's Companion book doesn't exist. It tackles this very concept and gives guidelines on reducing friction between splat rules and systems.

>>97853643
DOES exist.
God damn phone...

>>97853643
I'm talking more on the lore front. You kind of have to choose which splat has the right on the matters of history and metaphysics. Most players won't really be running up against that though It's for the obsessives among us who have read dozens of the sourcebooks.

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>>97853601
>What's the appeal of fera anyways?
"I like this particular type of animal and the themes traditionally associated with them."
Non-werewolf fera are less unique and are typically more grounded in the traditional themes of the animal that the fera shifts into.
In the case of Kitsune, they focus on the playful trickster stereotype of foxes in mythology, particularly in Eastern mythology.
It's still vaguely tied into the whole Gaia thing of Werewolf the Apocalypse, but otherwise it boils down to "play a Kitsune if you want to be a playful and/or seductive Asian trickster spirit."

>>97852691
>one that you play
Yeah...imagine not playing haha

>>97853635
The utter retardation of WW will never stop baffling me. Good trivia though, i love learning about fuck ips like that.

Crafting is very broken in all splats. And in irl as well if you have low morals, no fear of consequences and enemies to kill. Just craft mustard gas or weld spikes to your 2004 honda shitbox. Be the apex predator you where always ment to be.
Or tame a horse and get it to attack people. Animal stats are utterly busted.

>>97853696
Oh, i thought it was just furrybait.
But as fera where written back in the before times before furries where a widely known thing (and anthro stuff everywhere like tmnt or pokemon) i guess they should get a pass.
I kinda prefer nWoDs build-your-own-shifter aproach though, because my favourite animals never get included in anything.

>>97853741
>Oh, i thought it was just furrybait.
That's the entirety of WtA and WtF and all of the changing breeds in both WoD and CofD full stop. You can argue which game is more furry than the other, but they're all bursting with kinky crap.

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>>97853774
WW being horny is not limited to just one line however. It's spread pretty evenly.

>>97853791
Yeah, it's not intentionally furry, it just ends up that way because it's typical WW/OPP fetish shit coupled with anthropomorphic animals. Whether it's Forsaken's incestuous miscarriage ghosts and werewolf mpreg, or Apocalypse's wolf-fucking and eugenics program, it's all a bit weird.

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>>97853888
Good numbers

It's always funny how little of a filter they have for stuff like that. My favourite example of that remains Ybalashi though. The djinni (Gentry) from 1e CtL that was completly invincible and only granted wishes to poisen them, but could only get defeated through marriage. Something she (or he, the book leaves it kinda open because to the True Fae gender is just optics) gets realy flustered about and sends you on a quest to do 3 things. Things you can make her/him help you complete though.
The downside however is that through marriage you would turn Gentry yourself though, forever bound to a very salty (yet powerless) sadistic (boi)wife.

>>97852450
>on the bright side
Is it really though?

>>97854442
I can always be worse. Always.

>>97854442
>Serving the Wyrm is a bad thing
I'm sorry, you're simply not what our company expects from our employees.

>>97853774
Admitteldy, WtA is not actually furry bait despite wearing the thing like a skinsuit because it's really about being an anarchist ecoterrorist who mooches off of his relatives and sometimes behaves like a dumb dog, WtF is very much a
>you vill fuck ze animals, NOW
type of game on occasion.
They're both kind of dangerously furry, but whereas I feel that WtA is kind of just posing, WtF is very into it. The later books for WtA make it more and more furry though

>>97853888
>Forsaken Incenstuous miscarriage ghost
>Werewolf mpreg
I'm sorry, the what now?
>>97853959
WW not having a filter over all the weird kinky shit they like to write is pretty based I have to say. Certainly a lot of is weird or disgusting to read, or all of the above like Savage Genatalia, but I think it contributes wonders to the atmosphere and the real fucked up part of the setting. It's like if every billionaire (vampire) had their own Epstein island

>>97854524
>he abstains from doing bad things
No, ex-advisor, it is you, who are not what OUR company expects from OUR employees. Into the torture chamber with you, our ecologists will test side effects of our new oilburgers on you while we would decide on most profitable way of using your remains.

>>97854559
>not shooting him up with dick banes first
Rookie mistake, as expected from a junior manager. You will be reporting for re-education within the next business cycle.

>>97854582
>>97854559
Special Projects Division here, mind sending us some test subjects? We're gonna expand our Subliminal Influence program along with in-house tech development.

Any suggestions on animalistic traits and associated penalties for the Gangrel?

I've been struggling to think of appropriate penalties for the less-visible stuff like excessive hair on feet/legs/chest/back, or a vestigial tail, stuff like that.

>>97854549
>>Forsaken Incenstuous miscarriage ghost
>>Werewolf mpreg
>I'm sorry, the what now?
The first one is a spirit monster that is created whenever 2 urathra try to have a child. They are eternaly pissed and try to kill their parents 25/8. It's a bad thing. Very bad.
The mpreg thing is from a sidebar, but i'm lazy and didn't find it immeadiatly so someone else has to post it. It has no mechanical backing and is just the usual "hurrdurr urathra are not human and already not subject to normal biology, if you need to include mpreg in your game just do it"

>filter
I wish they at least tried to hide it. I still can't get over the tobal whiplash in Geist. Or the least subtle subtext ever written (beast)

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I've just made a post on the gamefinder thread for this - but I think it will fit better in here: I'm looking for manic cWoD enthusiasts.

>Player or GM
GM
>Preferred System(s)
Vampire: the Masquerade (V20) and then Sanctum d100, an internally-developed Mythras-adjacent system
>Schedule/Times Available (include timezone)
14:00 GMT (+0) every Saturday - games last for about 8-12 hours
>Voice or Text
Voice on Discord, requiring a clear, high-quality microphone and a quiet environment
>Method(s) of Play (Skype, Discord, IRC, Roll20, etc.)
Discord for voice communication and FoundryVTT as a platform
>Premise
We are about to start the third iteration of our ongoing cWoD "Bucharest by Night" campaign using Vampire: the Masquerade (V20). To put matters simply, we are a deeply passionate group with extremely high standards and are looking for two more outstanding players to join us. If you've always found it difficult to find a group that satisfies your standards, then we might be what you're looking for.
>Contact Info
For more information, please refer to this Reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/LFG_Europe/comments/1sf3m0l/online_gmt2_flexible_open_seat_need_two_permanent/

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>>97853959
>Needing the Djinn’s “consent” and having to follow their “rules” to use their powers
Lol. Lmao even.

>>97854713
>>97854986
This implies vampire/werewolf interspecies mpreg is possible. Though it is weird, I guess this is part of the play it your way philosophy of CofD manifesting a weird aspect of the setting rather than something officially rules related. WoD would probably never have that without a lot of weird fucked up shit since there's a much more singular vision for the game.

>wish they at least tried to hide it
Yeah, I understand this pov. Sometimes it detracts from any serious storytelling you when run into something so absurdly sexual it's funny or when you're just playing a game and suddenly it's a tragedy spiral of systemic rape and other weird fetishes piled on together. Thankfully, a lot of the more extreme examples of this in-setting are not part of the core rulebooks. Even then, I think if these guys did a Drow 2.0 where it's basically some writer's perversions kicked up to 11 I think that'd be kind of based. Modern Drow aren't quite as weird and kinky anymore

>>97854986
Big thankies. I realy couldn't be bothered

>>97855038
Believe me, when Gentry are involved, consent isn't part of the deal.

>>97855137
>This implies vampire/werewolf interspecies mpreg is possible.
Yeah. Vamps do get (others) preggo from time to time, but that usualy produces dhampires. In that case it would probably lead to a wolf-blooded dhampir, but the wolf-blooded sub template is weird anyways as it explicitly stacks with other templates.

>>97853601
>What's the appeal of fera anyways?
For my ST, I know at least part of it was that he wanted to be able to do stuff in the Umbra and nobody wanted to play Mage.
>Woofs are already boring (to me)
They're boring to my ST too, which is why he went Changing Breeds instead.
>but sell me on the foxfolx.
If it's not your thing it's not your thing. I really like that the gifts are so varied and you don't have to buy them in 5-tier splats like most other splats. My ST likes it because he likes spirits, the Penumbra, and Pentex.
Also what this anon said: >>97853696

>>97853741
>I kinda prefer nWoDs build-your-own-shifter aproach though
It was considered, but my ST wanted to go back to OWoD. I get what you mean, though. Thankfully, everyone in my group found one that they really liked; and the first couple of sessions were a blast.

>Garou mom with a kinfolk son who ended up becoming a mage after moving out
>he had no idea she is a werewolf
>he becomes a powerful mage

How does she react when she finds out? Assume one of the slightly less insane tribes

>>97855421
Rape.

>there are only about 10k mages on Earth

What causes someone to awaken? Is it pure luck? I get they want to leave it to the storyteller but really. I guess it makes sense given that too much mages would break everything

>>97853741
>Crafting is very broken in all splats
demon crafting is in genera special if you have the lore of forge at 4. because you only need the basis knowledge of a lore (read 1 dot) to craft a artefact that can do any power of said lore + a artefact of sufficient base quality can have several powers, you can even combine those, if you preload them with faith then everyone can use them and you can turn modern items into relics

i am currently building a shotgun that combines lore of death 4 "Extinguish Life" meaning if you roll well enough it seperates body and soul turning most splats into wraiths in a instant and lore of forge 5 "Imbue Object" to permanently (or until destroyed) bind soul into a shot gun slug in a way that non demons can't use their splats powers even if they should be able to while normally bound to a object and add extra rolls to the gun so that the powers are also more likely to work so that we can hunt a bane mummy

i don't have either of these abilities. i should probably get the second one because forge 4 is what allows me to craft all that nonsense but where is the point

>>97855514
luck. moments of clearity or enlightment. sometimes near death moments

being around magic gives you a higher chance and there are primers that give you a even higher chance if your unawakened avatar fits with the tradition who wrote said primer, but no mage faction managed it to make a exact science to awaken people yet although the very rare sorcerer with alchemy 6 can make a awakening potion and very high nephanti demons can also force a awakening

>>97855421
Well it depends what faction he joins. Nephandi or Technocracy? Into the chipper, maybe a few tears shed. Traditions? Ranging from disdain to indifference, except for Dreamspeakers who ally with the Garou often.

>>97855421
depends on garou but the general party line is that kinfolk who learn sorcery are already out of line and stepping on the garou foots and that mages have powers they shouldn't have and one of the examples of a evil bad egg in the kinfolk book is a hermetic who tells the rest of her tradition about the Impergium

but some fera in the amazon still worshipped a dreamspeaker archmage and risked everything to protect the guy from samuel haight so again depends on the characters themselves

>>97855528
>i am currently building a shotgun that combines lore of death 4 "Extinguish Life" meaning if you roll well enough it seperates body and soul turning most splats into wraiths in a instant
So a regular shotgun?

>>97855624
the shotgun part is really just for the rule of cool because another player is a huge fan of the classic doom games

>>97855584
>but some fera in the amazon still worshipped a dreamspeaker archmage and risked everything to protect the guy from samuel haight so again depends on the characters themselves

Isn't Menele protected by a bunch of Werewolves in Chicago too?

And there's also that Gangrel in Berlin that got an entire sept of Werewolves under his control

>>97855715
there been several times when white wolf went "we don't want people to try and fight so the npc has a pet werewolf pack logic be damned" with the werewolves themselves also not getting stats because they aren't meant to be characters themselves they are meant to be the rocks in rocks fall everyone dies

my favorite example is still the humanity 9 kiasyd in the old sabbat books because the rest of the book tells you that to be sabbat is to be violent shitheads and rapists without morals till you get to the authors pet elder of the day and he has a werewolf pack and fae (before ctd came out even) that will protect him no questions asked

>>97854713
>>97854986
When I was a teenager I really loved VtM Bloodlines and the End Times novels. I saw Requiem and Forsaken in the book store. Imagine my utter confusion and disappointment when I took them home and read them.

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>>97840176
>>TQ: What's the most destructive weapon that a character (player or non-player) of yours has ever used in combat? How did it turn out?
My unabomber-inspired Malkavian combined The Madman's Quill with Dementation 5 and rolled well enough to create a schizo collage describing the Chronicle and Coterie in a sheet of paper that when read would give the reader 5 Derangements. The idea was to mail it to a Gangrel BBEG but it only got to one of his subordinates, after which he proceeded to attack his friends and managed to take out 2 kindred before being put down. I've posted it before.

>>97855514
It's wise to ignore the whole population counts thing, as it dumps a whole bunch of constraints on any ST who follows it. It means that any city with less than a million people is going to have one or maybe two mages, at best.
For example, Las Vegas should realistically only be home to two mages, not twenty-five. For 2003, that's enough mages for a population of almost sixteen million and if those mages migrated there from elsewhere and aren't evenly spread, then that's around fourteen million people across the earth who are mageless.
I go a lot further in my own chronicle, which has a higher mage population than that for a city with a population of only three hundred thousand. The whole point is that the city is a powder keg that's about to explode but according to official figures, that would mean that this relatively insignificant city has almost half of the country's mage population, which is ridiculous.
So ignore the figures that White Wolf throws about and have as many mages as you like.

>>97855584
>one of the examples of a evil bad egg in the kinfolk book is a hermetic who tells the rest of her tradition about the Impergium
Holy shit, one and only based hermetic

>>97855421
going by "Kinfolk Unsung Heroes" the normal garou reaction seems to be "i won't kill you on sight because we are kin but stay away from us and our caerns"

>While Gaia’s chosen probably aren’t going to maim Awakened Kin on sight, the werewolves are still distrustful of mages. Many Garou fear that mages wish to steal from caerns, or worse, to use werewolves in bizarre experiments. In many cases, the Garou aren’t wrong

>What happens when supernatural Kinfolk turn into rotten apples? For a vicious twist, Storytellers might enjoy using vampire, wraith, mage or faerie Kin as enemies in the chronicle. These folks could cause serious trouble for the “normal” Kin troupe, with fights galore and some moral quandaries to boot. Alternately, a Storyteller running another World of Darkness game could have real fun letting the Awakened characters learn they’re yet not welcome in the company of werewolves

and in addition to mages just being scary awakening can also be seen as a lack of connection to gaia
>No Kin who has Gnosis or Gifts can Awaken in the first place; Gnosis and the link with Gaia preclude the stirring of the Avatar.
so in your case where the mother didn't tell her son about the garou. Garou could be blaming her for his awakening because he kept him away from the garou and their lore

>>97856544
your hero's name is clark
>The werewolves are a terrible threat to us all, and that’s why I’ve taught my cabal the best ways to put down these poor, mad beasts. When I was a child, I heard horrible tales of them killing humans in droves. Is this what we want? No the machinations of the Technocracy pale in comparison to the danger and violence of these dogs.
>Clark Rubin, Order of Hermes, Uktena Kinfolk
from the same book

hunters are the worst sorts of guests, just turning up without phoning ahead and expecting you to drop everything to prioritise them. Honestly, no social skills. So inconsiderate.

>>97856775
>>The werewolves are a terrible threat to us all, and that’s why I’ve taught my cabal the best ways to put down these poor, mad beasts. When I was a child, I heard horrible tales of them killing humans in droves. Is this what we want? No the machinations of the Technocracy pale in comparison to the danger and violence of these dogs.
Number of lies detected: 0

>>97856775
When you get a hermetic to say that their age-old enemy, the Technocracy, isn't the biggest evil out there then you know you fucked up.

>dude these werewolves were assholes to humanity a gorillion years ago and that's why i have abandoned the garou nation's mission to save the world from the wyrm and the council of nine's mission to rescue humanity from the clutches of the technocracy in order to wage war against the werewolves trying to save the world
Wow, that Hermetic is even more retarded than usual.

>>97856318
>14 million people across the earth who are mageless
To everyone's benefit. Infact, Mages (traditions at least) should really just relocate to some backwater and make it their central hub

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>>97856839
They have terrible and deserved PR.

>>97856839
Werewolves unironically flip flop from
>The Impergium happened in pre-history before ancestral man began to truly make his cities
and
>The Impergium happened like 300 years ago, my great great great grandpa was there, sure we can't talk to those old ancestors anymore but we can chat to great grandpa Leonard who says the Kinfolk belong in the kitchen
So really, it's kind of the Garou's fault for being mental midgets. Anyway, the Ascension War is probably a much more important struggle for everyone than the end of the world via spiritual rape and murder happening in like 300 years