>Petty Edition
Of what, OP? :)

>>97862211
>Fucked it up
Send OP to the soulforges IMMEDIATELY

>>97862211
>insert gangrel picture
>shit the bed
What did OP mean by this?

Shit like this is why the prince kicked all the Gangrels out of the city

>>97862439
And here comes the petty.

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>>97862621
It means Im sleep deprived. Was tempted to say it was 'just as planned' but Im compulsively honest when Im tired.

>nosferats fuck up
>gangrel fuck up
Time to give the intertubes management to the Tremere.

>>97862679
If that came across as petty then get off the internet.

>>97862211
>What was the pettiest thing you have done to annoy another person or vice versa in your chronicle?
I had to somehow conjure up a Settite that "owed a favour" to the local Sheriff so he could rip out the heart of my Toreador player, because he was coking up whores and then fucking them with Celerity and intentionally spreading STDs everywhere and I didn't want to just sunrise him (not yet). He did end up switching to Power and Inner Voice, so it happened anyway several sessions later. Welp.

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>>97862823
>fucking them with Celerity

>>97862823
>fucking them with Celerity
And leaving a trail of friction burn cases in his wake?

>>97862823
Motherfucker thinks he's the fucking Flash.

>>97862911
to be fair he had like Celerity 2 so not friction burn territory, but imagine a whore high af on cocaine getting fingered at 3x speed as foreplay I thought it was hilariousnot the STD-spreading part thoughhe did it out of spite so he could trick the Gangrel player to feed from the diseased whores

>>9786
Found out a rival Ventrue had a garlic allergy as part of an obscure curse on his bloodline. So I summoned him for a peace summit in a Korean eatery.

Which Legion do you guys think you’re realistically going to be inducted to when you shed this mortal coil? And don’t say the Legion of Paupers or the Legion of Fate, because A)You literally can’t plan for that and B)You are not “built different”.

As for me, I’m pretty sure I’m going to drink my way into the Skeletal Legion.

>>97863310
Judging by my family history I'm probably going to die of cancer, so the Skeletal Legion.

>>97863310
Either Grim or Silent.

>>97863310
Family history says either Iron or Grim. if you don't die for some dumb fool fight, you live til your 90s

>>97862211
It's time we punish our designated baker, any ideas?

>>97863386
>any ideas?
You could do it yourself.

>>97863386
Rape.

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>>97863386
Forced femboy training course.

>>97863386
Send him to the Tax Man's dimension

>>97863421
But Im not cute enough to be a femboy. Im also too old.

>>97863310
I am in fact "built different," until my shadow decides I'm not

>>97863673
Metamorphosis/Life Sphere/Vicissitude
It's ok we can make it happen anon

>>97862211
The Brood had the best fucking intro of any stable, change my mind (you won't)

>>97863803
>W5 writers had professed a lot of hatred for WtA
Do we have any links for this? It's certainly the impression I got from W5 it almost felt like deliberate sabotage. It would be nice to be vindicated.

>>97865127
Again, I don't think what you were talking to was human. It was damn obvious they were tourists at the very least.

>>97865382
The might have just been VtM purists or Bloodline fans. They tend to be unwilling to view WoD as anything other than a vampire game and Paradox have really catered the setting to them during their custodianship of WoD.

>>97865401
I sincerely doubt that.

>>97863386
Force him to withstand a hermetic's rant about the tremere

>>97863673
Don't worry. We have vicissitude.
Here, roll for your new hair and eye colour:
https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Random_Hair_and_Eye_Color_(DnD_Other)

This thread feels so hidden that I'm starting to agree with the bakeslave punishment Thank you for baking though, I still appreciate you
>>97865366
There were interview lines and some quotes in the books themselves about it but a lot of that was posted back in the old Werewolf threads late last year, I remember one post had a quote from a writer or maybe a forum post about how he hated lore grugs
>>97865382
>>97865401
Probably secondaries I think, I genuinely don't think there's any real VtM fans who want WtA to be VtM but furry. There's a legitimate argument that maybe it could have pulled better from folklore instead of putting in the druidic stuff but then again a fair amount of this was inspired by Anne Rice right? I have to admit I find it somewhat ironic that people dislike old Werewolf for being gross and weird but conveniently avert their eyes from old Vampire being gross and weird too, but it is what it is. I suppose they have a certain propensity towards games and themes more archetypal of the radical left like turning into an authoritarian big titty lizard fiend and enslaving the normies, but what do I know? Feel free to ignore the schizo last sentence, was mainly a joke

Rolled 59, 2 = 61 (2d100)

>>97865646
Ugh. Fine.

>>97865730
Beach blonde or aqua hair
Yellow eyes
I am actually fine with this.

>>97865401
>and Paradox have really catered the setting to them during their custodianship of WoD.

As a VtM purist, no, no they have not. V5 pushes to the margins the best parts of the setting, relies on very unwieldy metaplot surpassing even the worst of Revised, and engages in more retconning than one might think on the surface. Bloodlines has fun with the setting, V5 is a no fun allowed version of the setting. If WoD5 caters to anyone, it's weird european larpers.

>>97865738
>yellow eye blonde
Seibah?

>>97863310
Which is the one for either utterly fatebound fuckups or suicides

>>97865750
More like Miquella

>>97865811
>suicides
Welcome to the silent legion.

>>97863386
Force him to withstand a tremere's rant about the tremere

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Bros, he's so cool. So far I'm going to have Sullivan Dane stalk the PCs, call them on the phone pretending to be a wrong number, send them pizzas they didn't order to see how the PCs react, and test supposed weaknesses like garlic and UV lights on them. When the trial for the Masquerade Breaker the PCs are supposed to bring in begins, he'll set the mansion ablaze and snipe from afar. Any more ideas? I'm having him pretend to be a hobo with a violin a couple blocks away from where he'll be studying the PCs.

>outed myself as a filthy phoneposter
Fugggggggg

>>97865896
Just bear in mind that humans are squishy as hell. Overplan like hell, I recall one Anon saying he used Sullivan Dane, made a small mistake, and it ended with the PCs gunning him down.

>>97865816
Whatabout "bulit different" to be divinely blessed to be a fuckup no matter what ?

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>>97865896
Have him impersonate and try and steal of one the PCs old identity/life.

>>97865659
>I have to admit I find it somewhat ironic that people dislike old Werewolf for being gross and weird but conveniently avert their eyes from old Vampire being gross and weird too, but it is what it is
Vampires magically coercing people into being the sex slave blood dolls is a part of the traditional folklore pop culture vampire fantasy.
Werewolves fucking wolves and setting up arranged marriages with humans for the purpose of a eugenicist breeding program is fucking weird with no basis in any folklore, pop culture or tradition.

>>97866109
>with no basis in any folklore, pop culture or tradition.
It's basis is in necessity. It's necessary to ensure there are enough warriors of Gaia to fight and win the war. And it's supposed to feel like it clashes with their spiritual side as a result.
Everyone that comes to the "eugenics, eww" conclusion is coming to the right conclusion. But at the same time everyone that comes to the "eugenics, eww, it needs to go" conclusion and saying it should be removed because it makes them uncomfortable or has "no basis" for existing has zero grasp of the nuance.

Reposting my question from the last thread (it's mostly for the VtM to VtR2e conversion anon):

VtR2 Celerity says
"however, the vampire is still limited to one instant action. She cannot use Celerity to make two attacks, or an attack followed by another instant action. Likewise she cannot move further in a single turn than her Speed would allow".

Which I guess means the vampire isn't taking an extra action, just acting out of turn? If they already took an instant action that turn, they can't use the interrupt, right?

Meanwhile, the Conversion has
"-Interrupt an action with your own. This could be a counter-attack against an attacking enemy, a dodge, a discipline use (keep in mind blood per turn limits), basically anything that takes an Instant action. You may not use the same action multiple times in a round, and may only use this power a number of times equal to your celerity per turn, even if your blood potency permits it."

Being "per turn" instead of "per scene" means you ARE getting extra actions, I take it. However, what does "You may not use the same action multiple times in a round" mean?

Is it referring to the action I'm interrupting, e.g. when Crook A attacks me, I can only do one interrupt action and not three

Or does it mean the action I've taken, e.g. if I've already attacked this turn, and Crook A attacks me, I can't use my interrupt to attack again, only to dodge, move, use a discipline etc.

Similarly, in either case, does my interrupt HAVE to be related to the character who was acting, or can I interrupt Crook B's attack on the other side of the room by attacking Crook A?

Examples would really help.

>>97866134
>It's basis is in necessity.
That necessity has no basis in folklore, pop culture or tradition. It's weird bullshit made up by the writers for werewolves which aren't anything like folklore or pop culture werewolves.

>>97866109
>>97866142
The biggest problem in the original design for werewolf is that werewolves are no real codified folklore whereas Vampires have far more. White wolf pretty much had to make their own wholesale. Then also come up with a game loop which was more than just you become an uncontrollable monster every month.

>>97866149
>Then also come up with a game loop which was more than just you become an uncontrollable monster every month.
This would have been much more compelling. Having to manage an ordinary life and struggle to maintain some sort of normalcy, or search for a cure to lycanthropy, or for an adequate target deserving of your rage, before you pop and go full rampaging wolfman when the full moon rises. It'd be all about preparing for the full moon and dealing with the aftermath of the full moon.

>>97862211
I swear to god I didn't remember he existed when I decided to make my next character a Gangrel that was a wrestler in the 19th century

>>97866142
Werewolves have some of the highest mortality rates of all the splats and their dwindling numbers IS part of their plight. Repeating your assertion that their methods of refilling the ranks aren't based on your arbitrary requirements is pointless and changes nothing.

>>97866232
Again, no basis in folklore or pop culture. No one cares about White Wolf's headcanon.

>>97866173
I think it would have been a very hard sell to RPG groups of playing a disempowered person who sucks and who main antagonist is themselves. See Wraith, and wraith had a ton of cool world building. There would be very little world building with that scenario - no content to actually sell books and maintain interest in the game/setting. Keeping a game like that going long term would be very hard too I have difficulty seeing how you could maintain interest past loop 3 or 4. Especially since if you have told that story once would you really want to play an almost identical story again?

>>97866273
That's like saying that Vampire isn't playable for more than one game.

>>97866279
Vampire is about a bit more that how to mitigate the gigantic fuckup that will/did happen next/last month. If vampire had purely been a game of how to get fed while also you suck you would be right. V5 pushed that angle and the consensus here is that was a mistake.

>>97866252
>the literal source material of the franchise is "headcanon"
What a fascinating bit of mental gymnastics. Demoting thirty years of published, established world-building to the level of fan-theory just because you don't like it. Truly fascinating.
By that logic, anything in ANY book, from the stats of Crinos form to the existence of the Umbra, is just "headcanon" until a modern developer decides to keep it.
Must be nice to simply dismiss any aspect of reality that doesn't suit your tastes and insist that dismissal sticks.

Why exactly are you larping as one of the new writers?

>>97866368
>just because you don't like it
Because it has no basis in pop culture or folk lore. Ask anyone unfamiliar with White Wolf what a werewolf is and what a werewolf does and they will not describe anything that remotely sounds like Werewolf the Apocalypse.

>>97866387
Can I ask if you genuinely want a game that just regurgitates pop culture? Outside of WoD just any game at all that would do that?

The original VtM can pretty much all be described as headcannon after all. It really helped shift the modern interpretation of what vampires are like and what they do.

>>97865896
Do your players have ghouls? He should be stalking them by day and their masters by night. Hunters (good ones) are all about making sure they have every advantage they can get once they jump you. Dane should know that stuff like garlic doesn't work since he's been at it for a while, he should focus on weaknesses like addiction or how much your identity means to you. Make sure you read the rules on true faith if you want him to be a bit more dangerous on his own.

>>97866387
There is a single precedent with the benandanti's bullshit but everything else about the Werewolves is just some bullshit like "here's big dog or guy who becomes big dog, does fuck all of relevance and gets killed"

>>97866420
Vampire the Masquerade is infinitely more connected with and inspired by folklore and pop culture than any Wieckslop splat.

>>97866420
The problem people who bitch about werewolf having all the weird shit it does is how much of a non issue is to butcher it into el generico werewolf depiction.
Just skip the bullshit and write a game where you are diet Sabbath or whatever the hell.

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>people falling for bait
Guys, please stop. It's not about your time, some of you probably like arguing with our resident retards, it's about not giving him that dopamine rush when he sees a shitload of (You)s.

>>97866480
Like there's anything's else to do here.
>Oh talk about your games
What games motherfucker?

>>97866387
By your logic, almost every unique setting in fiction is "headcanon." If you ask a random person what an 'elf' is, they'll say one of Santa's helpers or Link from Zelda games. That doesn't mean any elf that doesn't fit those descriptions are "headcanon". Tell that to a Tolkien fan and see how long it takes for them to rip you limb from limb.

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>>97866013
Absolutely, Dane should be nothing if not cautious and over-prepared. With all the previous probing and investigating I'm building a progression system so Dane will increase in preparation depending on how well he can map out the PCs, the kindred relationships and hideouts, and how much evidence he can use to convince the Vatican/Society of Leopold to send him additional backup.

He might go from having just a sword+shotgun+stakes+gasoline, to flame accelerants to cut escape routes, Claymore mines to defend his position if anyone tries to rush him, dragon's breath shells, a better sniper rifle, better surveillance equipment, a couple leopoldite goons to help him out. Or if the PCs manage to feed him false information maybe he'll try silly nonsense like UV lights and garlic coated bullets while failing to cover side exits. Let's see how many kindred in the domain he manages to get.

>>97866063
Somehow, I doubt a tall gaunt thousandyard-stared inquisitor can pass for a petite and feminine transsexual pornstar.

>>97866504
The difference is that the World of Darkness isn’t trying to be original, it is intentionally using pop culture and folklore creatures as a springboard. This is fine for vampires, who continue to behave like traditional folklore and pop culture vampires, but it falls apart for werewolves, who are complete nonsense.

>>97866547
That cosplay is pretty badass.

>>97866471
>>97866441
>>97866420
>>97866387
The problem with Werewolf "pop culture" really is just that you have a limited game time of being a supernatural spook to pretty much the immediate full moon and nothing else. Every other splat has you doing shit for that splat 24/7 and only occasionally do you get to pretend you're human. Werewolves themselves are pretty inconsistent in culture and it takes a stretch to make them interesting

>guys who just become a big doggo for 12 hours
Not terribly exciting, genuinely why bother making a game about this

>guy becomes uncontrollably violent murder machine during a full moon
Your typical werewolf thing, it being outside of player control for the most part is probably not engaging and there's not really much going on here to justify making a game around it

>guys get to turn into dogs/wolf people whenever they want but sometimes get uncontrollably angry
This is alright, I guess. Like I said it's not that great and pretty much relies on something else to get it going (Teen Wolf, for instance)

Any "werewolf" media is usually never actually about the werewolf unless it's a horror film outright, and usually even then it's not the werewolf that's an issue but some cunt's curse or a crazy nazi or fucking witches/demons n shieet. They're essentially decentralized set dressing and all the popular stories that have "werewolves" usually actually deal with other shit like teen romance, family drama, human rights violations, generational violence or some other stuff. They're cool, but they're not really important enough to center a game around them unless you choose to add a bunch of stuff the way WW did. If you wanted a more folklore-ish take on Werewolf there's always Forsaken, but then you'd have to deal with the Chronicles setting

>>97866480
To bait and be baited is the way of 4chan, I just wish bait revolved more around the splat I like the most (Wraith) instead of another splat like Vampire or Werewolf but Wraith isn't really controversial outside of Charnel Houses, technically a sub-splat

>>97866597
To be fair everything after Vampire, with the exception of Changeling, uses a lot less folklore and just settles around a theme of a horror monster as a skinsuit for le whacky umbra shenanigans and either
>fuck modernity/the establishment
or
>fuck doomers and gay satanists

>>97866730
Anon, you could always make your own bait but I doubt that the other 5 wraith players in all of existence will respond.

>>97866722
>Not terribly exciting, genuinely why bother making a game about this
Because you can or to play a TTRPG puzzle where you need to break a curse before you go apeshit or deal with the consequences of maulling your 19th toddler that month.
>If you wanted a more folklore-ish take on Werewolf there's always Forsaken, but then you'd have to deal with the Chronicles setting
There's always the translation guides.

>>97866597
>the World of Darkness isn’t trying to be original
If that were true then VtM would just be Dracula and Mage would just be Harry Potter.
Your complaint that they used folklore, etc, as a springboard to launch into it's own unique settings is utterly fucking retarded. Your own ideas about how a Werewolf game should be would also be it's own unique setting because folklore, pop culture and tradition don't even fucking agree with each other and therefore would make your game subject to your own complaint.

>>97866480
We obviously need more mage shitposting

>>97866894
Remind me when those fuckers say something actually interesting, as memable as the splat can be there really isn't something to say about it.

>>97866744
Changeling just wears folklore like a skin suit, it isn't actually true to it.

>>97866109
>Werewolves fucking wolves
Comes from folklore about werewolves being wolves that turn into men. The breeding camp stuff is made up from whole-cloth, but is also entirely fan canon. Garou don't have them and you'd have to fail basic reading comprehension to come away thinking that they do.

>>97866173
>t. solo games player

>>97866420
>It really helped shift the modern interpretation of what vampires are like and what they do
I hard disagree with that since VtM really is just rules to roleplaying Anne Rice.

>>97866730
I think that each continent/culture area having its own Wraith space is stupid as fuck, but I don't think I can really make bait out of that.

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>>97866730
I barely even know enough about Wraith to comprehend the bait
>>97866421
>Dane should know that stuff like garlic doesn't work since he's been at it for a while,
Yeah, makes sense, you don't get nearly put on the Red List with rookie mistakes like that.
>Do your players have ghouls? He should be stalking them by day and their masters by night.
Only animal ghouls so far, if he were to detect them I doubt he could learn much from following a cat except maybe the PCs haven
>he should focus on weaknesses like addiction or how much your identity means to you
Hmm this is a good idea, maybe he can figure ou the pre-embrace identities of the PCs and use that knowledge to fuck with them into making mistakes or manipulate them. He is a good detective after all.
>true faith if you want him to be a bit more dangerous on his own.
Probably gonna be his last line of defense but an effective one
>immunity to mental and emotional disciplines, repelling and detecting evil, additional willpower and being able to use it to resist harm from disciplines, 1st edition Faith 8 IMO would be equivalent to DAV20 True Faith 4
Yeah, the players are cooked if they try to fight him. He'll just pick them and NPCs off after the fire and drive away if he feels at risk

>>97866967
Remember that True Faith also lets you bless your weapons to do aggravated damage. A shotgun or sniper rifle is a lot more scary if you have God(tm) backing you up.

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Quick vote:
Persian, Sanskrit, Arabic or Chinese* for a scholar of the occult?
He already knows a bunch of European languages, including Latin/Greek.

*comes with knowledge of classical Chinese

>>97866999
>scholar of the occult
He knows basic fluency in all listed languages for the purposes of his studies and proprietary linguistic jargon that accompanies them. He can't hold a conversation in Mandarin beyond "where's the bathroom", but he knows enough bird-bug script to decipher old scrolls.

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>>97866995
What book is that from? In the DAV20 1dot true faith says:
>Spend a Will-power point and roll her True Faith against a difficulty of the creature’s current Willpower points. If no successes are rolled, the creature is not driven away, but it has felt the weight of Faith and cannot move forward against the Faithful with hostility or ill intent. If the roll is fully successful, each success becomes a turn that the creature must run in existential terror of the Faithful, assured of the power of faith. If the Faithful has physical contact with the
creature at the time of the roll, any successes rolled become automatic aggravated damage against the monster, making this a potentially deadly force against the forces of darkness.

Sounds to me like it'd be applicable to melee only unless SoL gives him some holy water bullets like pic related's or something. Maybe that can be another upgrade. Though then again, gun aggravated is what the Dragon's Breath is for and it'd go with his Firestarter theme

>>97867046
>What book is that from?
The Inquisition

>>97866999
Scholar of the occult is pretty broad. Does he not specialise in any particular field? Otherwise, >>97867031 is right and he should have enough of a grasp to read old texts but not enough to hold a conversation.

>>97867067
I was thinking about one that specializes on extradimensional beings. A bit Lovecraft-style.
Not sure if that helps.

Good evening my fellow salarymen, I have the department's shortlist of new product ideas to pitch to Management:
>juice boxes for kids that look like smaller Antifreeze containers. Also, Antifreeze containers with cartoonish, family friendly packaging that makes it look more like an oversized juicebox
>contraceptive medications that occasionally don't work, and cause the resulting child to have drastically increased Melanin levels for the first year of life
>cigarettes that give you a much more attractive personality while you smoke them, but also give you testicular cancer
>Malt Liquor that causes you to have a larger phallus, but also causes your semen to give any recipient Cervical cancer. Cancer of the Cervical Vertebra if received orally.
>protein supplements that make you vote Labour
>vitamin gummies that give you kidney stones

All right lads, thoughts, prayers, blood sacrifices? I'd like to hear them all.

>>97867171
>>protein supplements that make you vote Labour
Diabolical.

>contraceptive medications that occasionally don't work, and cause the resulting child to have drastically increased Melanin levels for the first year of life
You are thinking small here.

>>97867179
>You are thinking small here.
It's about destroying marriages and upping those single motherhood numbers. Making it wear off will help make sure that the mother feels more vindicated about thinking that the father's a bastard for leaving, ensuring that the relationship is never repaired. It's also not a proper, life-ruining birth defect (on paper) so the chances of there being a huge investigation into the company are, at least in theory, greatly reduced.
My coping aside, do you have any thoughts on improvements?

>>97867168
Not really, basically everything that isn't a vampire is some sort of extra-dimensional being in WoD, so every society is going to have a bunch. Just ask yourself what mythological creatures are coolest and see if they have a particular culture, I guess.

>>97867171
>cigarettes that give you a much more attractive personality while you smoke them, but also give you testicular cancer
>vitamin gummies that give you kidney stones

I believe these two things have been done before or are currently ongoing product lines. The cigarettes sound familiar at least. If these aren't "throwback" products then we should make sure we aren't plagiarizing our own marketing.

>>97867171
well i am in pharama so uhm
>schizo meds that make you able to see or hear wraiths
>headache pills that heighten your senses
>cough syrup that makes you addicted, but not to cough syrup have fun figuring out to what
>diet helpers that make you crave meat any meat

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>>97867217
Make the melanin problem a lifelong affliction. Trust me.

Also,
>Cancer of the Cervical Vertebra if received orally.
Cancers of the soft tissues of the neck are often hard to treat and often cause weird deformities. Some of that shit is pretty dehumanizing.

>>97867171
>>contraceptive medications that occasionally don't work, and cause the resulting child to have drastically increased Melanin levels for the first year of life
Too complicated. We could make sure that they have a 75% failure rate when a certain melanin level is reached. We distribute them to the third world under the guise of humanitarian aid. They also make those who don't reach these levels infertile after a period of prolonged use.

>>97866139
Think of it like acting out of turn and responding with a typical instant action, just reflexive. You can "interrupt" only once per enemy action taken. Technically you could act out of turn on an ally's turn if you wanted to stop them from doing something foolish. Here's a play example.

It's your turn, you act and attack Shovelhead Bob, you hit him but don't incapacitate him. He then responds in kind. Willpower, all-out, bloodbuff. You can interrupt and then say, declare a dodge (which usually takes an instant action) to improve your chances of survival. If you had the celerity and BP for it, and another shovelhead attacked you, you could take another action interrupt. This includes a counter-attack, but not the same kind of attack you had already made, if that makes sense. Think like a backhand or a "fuck off" kick. You could even use fighting style maneuvers, provided they take an Instant Action. A really nasty combo I've used is with Light Weapons. Feint on your turn, then when the enemy attacks you, interrupt with the boosted by feint attack. But if they were still standing, you couldn't then use Dodge to try and avoid. One interrupt per action.

The idea is to make Celerity more powerful, especially offensively. Not as broken as Masq Celerity, but c'mon it's not Masquerade without speedy vampire blademasters.

Will workshop clearer wording ideas later, wanted to keep it closer to Requiem's for familiarity. This is the first time I've gotten confusion on it, but I can see where confusion could arise.

>>97867275
Your proposal is the very definition of "too complicated". Products that are that reactive to the consumer AND produce opposite results after a set period of time are a nightmare to produce.
There are other, more productive ways of thinning out a market.

>>97867229
Really? My apologies, I'll need to rape my interns (male) again for missing that.

>>97867265
I'll add them to the list, except for the headache pills. Can we tweak those to only flare up when there's a shapechanger nearby? In fact, if we can get that to work we could hand them out to first teams and the EEPS boys. I'll have the interns send in another intern with a notepad.

>>97867274
Good to know that we're on the right track. Honestly, I just made the boys in R&D work it that way so that I wouldn't get the inclusion folks on my ass when I said "Cervical".

>>97867275
Are you sure? I'm certain that we could find a chemical that can achieve a sufficient, albeit temporary reaction during fetal development. I'm sure there's plenty of poor women in the Balkans that we can test on until we get favorable results. In fact... Do we still have those Gypsies in storage?

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>>97867330
>I'll need to rape my interns (male) again for missing that.
You are going to turn them into cute girls first, right?
Right?

>>97867168
If Lovecraft, then Arabic.

Which Teen Wolf is the one people always say has interesting werewolf lore?

>>97867171
Special Projects here. My bosses have are trying to corner the defense sector thanks to the recent political troubles in the middle east. Now, we have come up with a couple of potential products that, if we are to trust our friendly statisticians, would be able to make a killing.
>Portable helmet cameras encourage soldiers to take more risks in order to get that one moment of gory glory on film
>IR lasers that slowly increase the user's anger and, just like a laser, direct it towards the nearest enemy target (big thank you to the guys in subliminal influence!)
>Landmines with our new chameleon camo scheme. Ceramic materials make them undetectable while the camo makes the impossible to spot in any combat environment.
>Combat knives with the ability to trigger a state of berserk rage in order to kill whatever you need to kill (people still use those, right?)
>Uniforms which fill the wearer with a sense of pride and resolve, making them 100% sure that their cause and nothing can get in it's way.
>Cluster bombs that seak out large clusters od targets. Individual bombs will never target the same spot in order to improve lethality
>A new line of stickers and insigniad for soldiers, all related to games released by PCP and Black Dog games factory

>>97867330
>I'll add them to the list, except for the headache pills. Can we tweak those to only flare up when there's a shapechanger nearby?
the best we managed was causing delirium when shapeshifters are nearby regardless of form but i was told that this was "too loud for the public" and too annoying to deal with in house given that pentex does not discriminate when it comes to it's employees

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>>97867064
Fair enough. But I'll keep the aggravated locked to dragon's breath shotgun because it's thematic to Dane's "set shit on fire" schtick so as to not instakill my players, just spook them if they get too close to him. The main sniper attack should just go for high caliber bullets for lots of Lethal and to pick off straggler NPCs that don't die in the fire.

>>97867295
>they were still standing, you couldn't then use Dodge to try and avoid. One interrupt per

I think I understood. So it's
- only one interrupt per action
- the interrupt must target the acting character
- you can't repeat an action you've already taken this turn

While you're here, since you suggested removing Athletics from Defense, is dodge supposed to still use Attribute + Athletics or is that out too?

>>97862211
Werewolves be like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czj7SyPNRto

>>97867675
>the wolfgirls and the extra chromosomes

So I got the green light about my mecha pilot, though the ST recommended that I pick the iron man suit instead because a huge robot ain’t subtle in town at all. Though he did say that’s it’s my decision.

I think so far the only downside of my character is that it consumes freebies spent in background like water. Shame, because I had plans of buying periapts as power batteries/paradox nullifiers, possibly a node to recharge quintessence, I was even considering arsenal to do maintenance on the mecha’s weapons. Also I figured that the other teen pilots and drill sergeants “foster parents” should probably be considered allies, or contacts.

>>97866956
>>97866967
>>97866811
Well I never quite claimed Wraith was perfect in the way it handled the themes and setting but you just can't bait with it considering there's just nothing to really cause mass arguments over unless you want to talk about why bureaucrats are obsessed with inefficient work systems but that's not Wraith specific. It's just low controversy, meanwhile every anon in here probably has a different opinion on the Kinfolk

>>97866863
>Play a TTRPG puzzle where you need to break a curse before you go apeshit
Yes, this would be interesting but consider that not everyone wants to be Princess, Eater of Toddlers, and that solving the puzzle of you not being a werewolf isn't really a good hook for a longer length of RPG story. I don't see the potential in it.
>>97866916
Well yes a lot of shit is imagined or spun to fit the setting but a lot of the Fae stuff is pretty legit and it keeps the most important aspect of Fae around, Fae being cunts to everyone and everything

>>97867171
Have you considered lemon flavored gasoline and gasoline flavored lemon juice?

>>97867835
If the huge robot (are we talking Gundam-sized, Gurren Lagann sized or what?) is only operated at night maybe you could be pretty subtle with it, you just have to be good at figuring out how to make it camouflage.

>>97867835
>the other teen pilots
Sex with Asuka.

>>97867934
Sorry, Aperture's already cornered the combustible lemon-derived products market.

>>97868047
AND DAMN THEM TO HELL AND BACK FOR STEALING OUR PATENT! WE HAD THAT YEAR'S HOLIDAY SEASON IN THE BAG BEFORE THEY -uh..ahem, yes...

They weren't prepared for the effect "their" lemons would have on the "Child's Lemonade Stand" market. Risk Management isn't the four-lettered word it used to be, people! REMEMBER THAT!

>>97867925
Not every game can work as a long term story. Sometimes you just play Everybody is John and move on once he kicks the bucket.

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>>97867947
the big mech suit, the Martinez is 7 1/2" tall...
it costs 9, and provides 5 armor. 7 with a +1 cost enhancement. From the Iteration X book.

The Alanson R-25 Hardsuit, the iron man one, costs 8, and has 7 soak dice. 10 with a +1 cost enhancement.

Personally I think that the Martinez has an interesting range of enhancements. Some costs even less than the newer hardsuit version for the same stats (the prime energy batteries that holds 10 quint costs 2 for the martinez, and 5 for the hardsuit). Though the Deep Space armor from the Guide to the Technocracy seems more fitted for space (duh) than the other armors with enhancements... I might be interested in getting my hands on a Faerie Cap in the future to survive space indefinitely. I'm also considering taking the Zulu Warshield for a +1 armor, and making all attack rolls against me at +2.

>>97867990
Oh yeah, I'm definitely asking if the other pilots could be based on Rei and Asuka. Also probably Kamina. Mine's appearance is based on picrel

>>97868160
Yes but that's the sort of short term RPG that wouldn't really be a full game line. This is something better handled in FATAL or GURPS or Monster of the Week. It's pretty much several steps down from how engaging Vampire is and it's a lot harder to tie into the weird and funny schizo politics and spiritual setting of Vampire and WoD. I suppose as an extra reasons, werewolves getting made through the equivalent of animal husbandry/eugenics is meant to differentiate them from just being Vampires but furry the way that pop culture has werewolves propagate via biting or scratching on a full moon. They'd just be shitty Vampires in WoD if that were the only thing going on

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>>97868282
>picrel
Is that supposed to be snood?

>>97867906
>It's just low controversy, meanwhile every anon in here probably has a different opinion on the Kinfolk
Every anon has an opinion on everything, makes autistic arguments more fun.

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>>97868355
Yes
Spoiler for season 2
I really like the aesthetic. Colorful goth? Enid with Wednesday's personality, and even if she's still wearing black there's still colors on them, same for her hair highlight.

>>97867664
It's just a personal recommendation, but I've found that adding athletics to defense, especially with other supernatural means of increasing your defense further, makes non-grappling melee combat into a slog of throwing 2-4 dice at each other IF you're specced into combat.

Dodge, as per the CofD core, involves forgoing your normal Instant Action to Dodge, which has you roll double your defense as a dice pool against the attacker's dice pool, instead of doing the usual subtracting defense from their dice pool. Each success removes one success from your opponent's attack, so it's higher risk, higher reward. The system wouldn't change, just the average size of your pool. I've still found you can do some heinous stuff with celerity + interrupt dodge + a defensive fighting style like armed or unarmed defense.

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Oh noes! A Changeling has stolen your G U N in public!
Wat do? This must be part of an evil plot to make you look like a dork who can't be trusted with guns in front of your entire gang!

>>97869453
Frenzy immediately.

>>97869453
Botch my rage roll and fall into Thrall of the Wyrm. As a metis, I have no choice but to start raping.

>>97869453
Mr. Everett is helping me find my gun.

>>97869453
Use my knowledge of mind to have the cops shoot him since he's clearly about to start shooting people

Sorry for the delay, lads. I was researching some prime real estate for my wife's family, take a look
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64625001/#q64633387

>>97867360
Certain favoured stakeholders are adamant about the importance of higher HIV transmission rates, if that answers your question.

>>97867427
A lot of these seem like they could be more cost-effective to accomplish with some social engineering. Especially that bit with the cameras. I'll ask one of my interns how popular decent gore threads are with the kids today, and go from there.
The landmines are definitely making the list, though.

>>97867475
>"too loud for the public"
Fucking pencil pushers

>>97869453
I tell them they are cringe and ask them when they are going to get a real fucking job.

>>97870235
Hey, R&D guy from another department here. Couldn’t help but listen to the landmine talk and it reminded me of our company lunch at the beaches of Normandy in France.

We could develop a way cheaper version, a generic model unrecognizable as one of our own, that wouldn’t detonate until years, perhaps decades, after a conflict is over. Thus not only do we endanger people in the long term, but we also deny lands to be reclaimed back by the shifters.

>>97869453
Pull out my 'rifle' and stick it up their ass

>>97870388
Indeed, mixing those in with batches of perfectly viable landmines (the client still needs to keep buying them, after all) would certainly help with our long-term goals in Africa.I'm under the impression that Eastern Europe is mostly clear of Shapechangers, so we might need to avoid sending those models into ongoing conflicts there. We wouldn't want to endanger any property acquisitions over there, unless... We can severely devalue the land by staging incidents with the landmines in the future, while also scaring off the competition and netting contracts to remove the minefields, right? I can't imagine that there would be anything stopping us. Can you R&D lads devise a proprietary disarmament method that can't be circumvented for these mines? They still need to be cheap, though. It would defeat the point of lowering the price of the land if we had to undercut margins on the landmines to get people to buy them in the first place.
The tools for disarming them can be prohibitively expensive, of course.

>>97869453
>taking a hunter's gun
Sigh...cold iron it is

>>97866722
>If you wanted a more folklore-ish take on Werewolf there's always Forsaken
WtF is diet Apocalypse. You're still primarily defined by being spirit warriors whose way of life is defined by a prehistoric mythology. If someone wanted folklore wolves, avoid WoD.

>>97870600
I'd argue that most of the lore of Forsaken (in 2e at least) instead focuses on who you want to hunt. The Uratha are monsters who explicitly hunt other monsters. The reason they do it is as relevant as you choose to make it in your games. You can have shamans tell the stories of Pangea, the Pure can proselytise. The only thing that matters is that you hunt those monsters. It's the main thing each Lodge focuses on. Hunting other Werewolves, hunting Ridden, Slashers etc.

That's not to say that WtF is a perfect representation of the pop-culture werewolf, but it does absolutely have a solid commitment to focussing on the werewolf as a pack hunter, an alpha-predator that is a heat-seeking missile of fangs and claws that will not stop until it gets its kill.

>>97869453
Call it a Milkling and then display my dominance by pulling out a tax sheet

>>97870600
>>97870620
Pretty much my idea, it's more about the hunt and your biological (I guess?) need to hunt every now and then which is closer to werewolf folklore than being shamanistic spirit warriors. It's still a WoD IP, so yeah there's background lore and you're still kind of a not-druid because Werewolf will still have to be reminiscent of Werewolf (the Apocalypse). If you wanted real folklore werewolves, you probably wouldn't play them as PCs anyway. There's Monster of the Week and Urban Shadows too, but those are more like WoD-lite than folklore, same with Curseborne.

>>97868287
>This is something better handled in FATAL or GURPS or Monster of the Week.
LOL

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>>97870211
Based retard.

How often do mages spend quint in your games? I look at Technocrats and their technology/devices that they use every day, and the cost of quint is absurdly high compared to the low amount generated per week per node.

>>97870907
Why is everyone so mean to Harry :(
He's just trying his best
>>97870923
I imagine you're usually not blowing your load several times a week if your ST is doing downtime properly

>>97870941
I guess so, it’s just that quint having to wait weeks to replenish (along with dispersing paradox which can even take months) seems really slow. Especially when we’re playing humans instead of immortal creatures like vampires, ghosts and mummies.

For what it's worth, if you want actual folklore accurate werewolves, I've got good news for you. There's an entire book about them, Skinchangers. It's a highly customizable minor template that lets you do good old fashioned "become an animal by wearing its pelt" shenanigans. Overuse of skinchanging risks altering the practitioner's mind, making them become more and more animalistic. Highly recommend.

As another anon mentioned, Forsaken does a good job making something playable that better satisfies the pop culture werewolf archetype. Honestly, if you want stuff that's closer to the popular archetype or folklore, genuinely give nWoD/CofD books a read. There are some exceptions, nWoD Mummies are a lot weirder, and Promethean both stays close to archetypes but also forces a Pinocchio story through the pilgrimage.

Still, it's good shit. Immortals is another stand out book. Inferno is good if you want no frills, no nonsense, no subversion demons.

>>97870923
The Technocracy has significant infrastructure dedicated to the extraction, containment and transportation of Quintessence within Matrices. Technocratic operatives are not expected to fuel their Devices with their own personal Quintessence, they're expected to plug their Matrices into them. When the Matrices run out of juice, then they can be recharged with Devices that use a Prime 4 Effect to break down matter into Quintessence or a Prime 5 Effect to extract Quintessence from living organisms.

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>>97871010
>Prime 5 Effect to extract Quintessence from living organisms.
The bottom line can extract value from anything, even a worthless traditionalist

>>97870941
Harry broke the Skua bird.
That's just not cool, man.
Shameful. Disrespectful.
Fuck Harry.

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>>97871075
Though unless you want the Device to incur Market Correction (Syndicate jargon for Paradox), you need to be very particular about how you extract that Quintessence.

>>97870958
I guess that's the nature of your typical chronicle playing a mortal, if you want to speed up processes like wound recovery or dispersing paradox / recovering quint you have to put in the legwork to get there in your spare time. I think Changelings have a similar problem though glamour working more like blood points makes it easy to get. Sort of encourages you to plan and play your cards right, instead of going in guns blazing because you're just the local big dog
>>97870969
Yeah, I do think CofD does a lot better (except for Vampires and Mummies) the pop culture / folklore themes than WoD. I suppose that's the difference between WoD not just being just
>the world, but even shittier with awful people
but also having the schizophrenic conspiracy theorist approach to worldbuilding that make it forcefully add politics and secret society stuff to everything by necessity to fit into themes, whereas CofD doesn't enforce that at all. For what it's worth with Promethean, Homunculi are usually more the work of alchemists and mages than they are an independent force so I can see why the writers chose one of the most popular stories in Pinocchio as a main theme.

Anyway, both of the settings encourage you to play it your way anyway so if you don't want werewolves to be secret society druidic hippies who hate THE MAN then you can just make them violent psychos on the full moon and nothing else.

I honestly think a good adaptation of the folklore into the setting was done in one of those cyoa games, Glenkildove. Yeah, I'm not a fan that Garou got their entire lore and setting ignored but it's a Hunter game first and foremost so it doesn't really matter. Werewolves are depicted as anti-social cursed to be violent psychos defending their territory with very little focus on the whole shamanism thing which actually got relegated to Fae, Spirits, and Humans this time . It's aggressively Irish though.

>>97871075
>>97871146
The bottom line must go up at any costs, even if it means sacrificing Jake from accounting into my prime energy liquidation chamber! I never did like him anyway.

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Anyone read real /x/ books for inspiration to use in their chronicles? This totally feels like something written by the Traditions to awaken sleepers or the Nephandi

>>97871146
What happens in room 101 stays in room 101. The NWO will gladly accept a portion of extracted Primal Energy.

>>97870211
How many mage / changeling-adjacent characters does Disco Elysium have? Harry is a changeling or a marauder and then we have Mr. Price stabilite, THE autum person.

>>97871129
He was going through a rough time anon, have to have some mercy on his poor soul.

>>97871265
I'm pretty sure there's even a couple of closeted Garou in there too. Harry feels like a low level Marauder. Or maybe even an Akashic, with how much the game focuses on Harry's senses outside of Inland Empire and Shivers

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>>97871265
Pic related is a Syndicate archmage with powerful resonance. Joyce works for the Syndicate as well.

>>97871218
Not really /x/shit, but I'm pretty sure at least a few people have awakened trying to read the Voynich Manuscript.

>>97871319
Into sons of ether?

>>97871340
>essentially a big joke
Try Hermetics or Verbena

>>97871340
Hopefully not. Nobody deserves such a fate.

>>97871214
Can’t I just plug my devices to a wall or use fuel Mr Syndicate-Man? I feel bad whenever I apply the quintessence restocking form.

>>97871075
>Factory farms are a quintessence extraction scheme
Holy shit, I get it now...

>>97871429
Why? I find the etherites really cool

>>97867229
Y'know, this got me thinking. Anybody else remember that thing King tried ages back? Line of mixers that did nothing by themselves, but augmented any hidden fun stuff that happened to be in the alcohol they were mixed with? What if we put out a line of like, O'Tolley's special sauce you can buy separate in a supermarket finally, that does the same thing? I figure the sort of slob that'd go out and buy tubs of that crap would also be the type to slather it on all sorts of other stuff from all our other brands. Talk about potential brand synergy!

>>97871461
It's for the greater good.

>>97871214
You can't sacrafice our employees, they have their uses. Go throw a Void Engineer when they waste our resources on some vanity project or anyone from the Ivory Tower's Collegiums, they're worthless no matter what they're doing.

>>97871461
A consensus-abiding Quintessence generator probably looks and behaves a lot like a solid fuel boiler. I don't think liquids can be used for the purpose of this, as there's no rules for damaging liquids and Quintessence is removed from matter by damaging it with a Prime 4 Effect, so the sturdier the shit you shove in the boiler, the more Quintessence you get.

>>97871340
it's botani with plants that don't exist is the largest chapter followed by Recipes, Cosmological and then Astrology written in a language nobody understands

the later points towards order of hermes while the first i guess would point towards pre fae obsession house merinita back when those guys been studying all the otherworldly and nature together as one, but that doesn't work with the timeline as the whole paradigm shift in the house happened in the 10th or 11th century depending on ars magica edition

given the timeline the most likely author is a member of the hippocratic circle who turned marauder

>>97871775
Imagine become a Prime user in the union and your job is to larp as a garbage incinerator.

>>97871797
Nah, at Prime 4, a mage can start making permanent Devices, so their job is going to be churning out Devices for the rest of their life, including said garbage incinerators, unless they're really good at field work.

>>97871814
So incinerator technician/maker rather than operator. Fair enough I suppose.

>>97871461
Gambling. I'm not even joking, the Syndicate uses slot machines to generate primal energy. You can also get that from slave labour (MECHA) or spirit concentration camps.

>>97871917
Changelings even offer some of the highest Quintessence values in the game when harvesting them, so there's probably some Technocracy fairy hunters who infiltrate the Dreaming and capture pixies so that they can be fed into the generator back home. It's hard work, keeping all of the Union's Devices operational.

>>97871542
Good idea, but we should be doing this with a lot of things now that we're thinking about it; windshield wiper fluid, antidepressants, ammunition primers, fentanyl, cockrings... Anything that's liable to be used where the subject is at a higher risk of hosting a Bane.

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>>97871945
Syndicate doesn't think they're real, Progenitors wish to take them apart, Iteration X would test how effective Primium would be against them and NWO is pic related. That leaves us with Void Engineers or some Independent technocrats running a side project.

>>97871610
Oh no…

>>97871693
Oh god… I know it’s playful banter in-character, but what has changed /tg/ attitude towards VE? On 1d4chan we used to describe them as badasses and stuff.

>>97871775
Why the hell do we feed fossil fuel in our cars?

>>97871917
I don’t have that much money…
Slave labour… oh my god…
Concentration… camp… I feel sick

>>97871945
I think I need to lay down

>>97872298
Void Engineers are kind of discount (but based) traditions when you think about it, not sure why the attitude changed since I still think they're cool but I can see why someone pretending to be a technocrat would dislike them. Arguably they're the most working with actual magic instead of "science"

>>97872298
The current perspective of the Technocracy being pushed in this general is:
>The Syndicate
Gigachads who run the show and fund everything and would turn the world into a perfect free market where everyone would be free to live like a kingdom if they prove that they deserve it if it wasn't for...
>The New World Order
Incompetent scumbags responsible for ruining the perfect free market with their ineptitude and corruption, retards who don't know how to do anything right, unlike...
>The Progenitors
They make cool toys for their Syndicate masters. One of these days, cat girl sex slaves won't cause Paradox and it will be awesome. Until then, they can work on making the Syndicate immortal. But do you know who's even more useful than them?
>Iteration X
They make all sorts of cool shit, all of the greatest technological innovations of the 21st century have been collaborations between the Syndicate and Iteration X. They wouldn't be able to do anything without Syndicate money. But the most useless ones of the lot are...
>The Void Engineers
They might not be as incompetent as the New World Order but they just spend all of their resources fucking around in other dimensions, which is a complete waste of fucking time. They produce nothing useful that impacts the consensus.

There's a couple of libertarians in /wodg/ who really project their personal politics onto the Syndicate.

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>>97872298
>Sure, we break some balls here tonight, but I go way back. And in light of recent humiliations, it's an honor to be joined byscientists, and not superstitiont ass void-holin' cocksuckers like Void Engineers. They should fuckin' die!

Void Engineers are the called the Mad Convention for a reason. They're more likely to turn marauder / naphandi, they aren't too keen on sharing their knowledge on DimSci or any of their operations, they're really lax on enforcing the 5th precept and everyone fears (with good reason) that they'll go full VE and split from the Union. They're the goody two shoes convention (for the most part).

>>97872416
Honestly it sometimes makes me want to get the merit that treats magic from other traditions as science yet to be understood. Just to make a character whose goal is to go around and pick up other traditions’ wonders and convert them into devices.

>>97872424
>>97872484
So I guess my mecha pilot would get in the best of worlds crushing budget cuts since she’s part of the Void Engineers. Even if she’s fighting to save Earth from the threats of the Far Umbra.

>>97872614
Border patrol usually gets the most ammount of funding out of all VoidE methodologies. They kill shit and that pleases the union.

>>97871265
Not familiar with changeling, but there's tons for mage:
Harry = marauder (formerly ecstatic)
Joyce = syndicate
Evrart = syndicate but in an opposing faction
The kids in the tent = all ecstatics
Soona = iteration x
Plaisance = hermetic apprentice
Measurehead = akashic
Klaasje = NWO defector
Idiot Doom Spiral = marauder (formerly syndicate)
The deserter = euthanatoi who succumbed to jhor
Kim = just a regular lil guy

>>97872484
>They're the goody two shoes convention (for the most part).
Which is causing them to get increasingly alienated from the rest of the Technocracy IIRC.

>>97872764
>kim being a regular little guy
Harry actually dumped all of his background points into getting a human familiar

>>97872850
It's a Spirit of Brotherhood in human form.

>>97872764
>spoiler
>euthanatoi
He's a nephandi. He literally admits to doing it because he wanted chaos.

>>97872898
nta, but the are euthanatoi have the most nephandi out of all major mage factions because of jhor being such a big part of their paradigm so anon probably meant to say that the guy is a ex euthanatoi nephandus

>>97873086
>euthanatoi have the most nephandi out of all major mage factions
Lies and slander.

>>97872898
I wrote a bunch of stuff, but >>97873086 beat me to it. I also forgot to add the mercs as nephandi, which is sort of ironic given how they hate each other.

>>97872850
>tfw you will never have a familiar who truly trusts you

>>97872298
Quit whining. Half of them are trying to destroy the fabric of reality and the other half isn't even human. These new agents, I swear...

>>97873124
>>tfw you will never have a familiar who
Don't most familiars do that?

>>97873167
It's not the same though

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I will be playing Mage the Ascension for the first time soon. I want to be tanky, just a big wall of magically enhanced meat that can protect others and survive big hits. I am unsure what exact paradigm we'll be, but it's going to non-Technocratic and taking inspiration from Fate in particular for the Chronicle. Does anyone with familiarity with the system have suggestions on what to do?

>>97873089
no really! they are the entropy faction they fall to the caul like etherites to the quiet and still they want to be the police faction who looks for corrupted mages. euthanatoi might somehow be the biggest clowns in the traditions and that is really saying something

like verbena are just wrong about a lot of things but they can do life magic meanwhile the euthanatoi in comparison are the most likely to be corrupted by the very forces they claim to specialize in so the entire tradition is like putting pyromaniacs on a fire fighter team

>>97873221
self buffs are mostly life sphere stuff. magic shields are most often prime stuff which if you care about specalist spheres would be Verbena and Celestial Chorus

but both typemoon and mage also feature quite a bit of martial arts magic so perhaps you also want to look into the Akashic Brotherhood and then take the dual tradition merit to combine the Celestial Chorus and Akashic Brotherhood to play a church executor with super bajiquan

>>97862211
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTOHs9ue0Ok Fuckin' Otto Von Srirach decided to do a backing track for Gangrel for some reason and I intend to inflict it on you all.

>>97871265
We even got a vampire. The crab-man from the church would most likely be a nosferatu.

>>97873221
Forces 2
Life 3
and dont forget to grab some dots in prime.

>>97873221
Life because the magic is based around enhancing your body, Matter for enhancing your body with various materials, Forces for making your body generate, repel or resist certain forces, Prime because Prime is generically useful and allows you to generate temporary health levels for yourself with a Prime 5 / Life 3 Effect.
Matter is probably the least valuable one of the bunch, while I'd start with Arete 3 and Life 3 and focus on getting your Arete and Prime up to 5 as soon as possible.
To start with, in terms of tanking damage, you'll mostly be using Life 2 to heal health levels and Life 3 to soak aggravated damage. If your ST is not using Cinematic Damage rules for the chronicle, I strongly advise picking up the Too Tough to Die merit so that you can soak lethal damage, otherwise you'll probably need to use a Life Effect in order to soak lethal damage.
Finally, I could suggest making an Akashic trained in Do, as they can block melee attacks that inflict lethal damage and the Iron Shirt technique enhances their soak dice by their Do dots.
Your main weakness is going to be the accumulation of Paradox, as soaking aggravated damage and healing lethal and aggravated health levels is generally considered vulgar magic. This is another reason why reaching Prime 5 as fast as possible is a good idea, as it will allow you to use Quintessence to nullify your Paradox on a one-to-one basis.

>>97869453
By the law, we're married now.

>>97869453
I drag her to the shooting range because there's no way that I let a child have a gun without a formation on how to handle it

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>>97867171
>>juice boxes for kids that look like smaller Antifreeze containers. Also, Antifreeze containers with cartoonish, family friendly packaging that makes it look more like an oversized juicebox

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>>97876037
Based normie humans outmatching the agents of the wyrm again!

>>97874950
Prime is one of the most annoying parts of Mage for me. It's the most flavorless and boring Sphere by a country mile, but you're basically crippling yourself if you ignore it. It's really difficult to make a focus on Prime seem cool and characterful and even then, most people don't want to, they'd rather make mages with a more specific fantasy that doesn't involve Prime at all.

>>97876064
On the subject of selective breeding
Those fucking SMASHED and SLAMMED dogs make for great monster ideas, that and any banned breed of dog.
Truly humanity is the real monster

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>>97876094
https://youtu.be/7TQ9A-c3ccI

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>>97876094
>7/10 brujahs own shitbulls and/or smashed dogs

>>97876111
Which splat from the other gamelines is voted most likely to own shitbulls?

>>97876152
I bet the nephandi love the little shits.

>>97876169
Low hanging fruit m8, but not incorrect. Since we're with Mage though, I nominate Verbena and Syndicate for most likely to own and breed shitbulls.

>>97876152
Not even glasswalkers would tempt themselves with these things
A shadowlord, however? Well, the SKEEM demands, and the SKEEM will receive.

>>97876152
Where do you think BSDs get fresh stocks of 'wolf' kinfolk from?

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>>97876064
Would not put it past Pentex to put wolves into selective breeding programs to produce some ugly abominations just to really annoy the Garou

>>97876219
This is somehow even nastier than the regular dogfucking, damn.
>>97876207
I'd like to think Shadow Lords wouldn't stoop so low, Bone Gnawers probably see some sense of kinship with them though

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>>97876219
At last I truly see

>>97876152
Bone Gnawers are the most likely dog owners, with the most wretched among them engaging in actual dog-fucking, to make up for the lack of lupine Kinfolk on most of their turf. I can see them adopting disowned shitbulls and the like. A scary dog is the best way of keeping the trashas from fucking with them, without breaching the Veil.

As for Mage, honestly, I'll go with the Euthanatoi. They likely breed magical shitbulls capable of sniffing out widderslainte children and killing them before they can grow into Nephandi.

>>97876152
High-Torment Devourers. With Lore of Beasts 5? Those shitbulls will be like a true creature of the Pits.

>>97876152
Mundane women who happen to like the "bad boy" style of fuck buddy.

>>97876064
BSDs seething that humans are better agents of the wyrm than they'll ever be. Honestly, humans make the best agents for any member of the Triat.

>>97876181
Shitbulls have a passivw Mind 2 effect, they'd be favored by Syndicate enforcers and NWO operatives. Progenitors probably have experimneted with turning them into a Resident Evil mutants.

>>97876257
I wonder if bone gnawers crinos and lupine forms looking like dogs is just part of them, a result of being a bone gnawer, or a side-effect of breeding with actual dogs. In some respects dogs could be smarter than wolves so honestly there's probably slightly better kinfolk quality there unless you add in the weirdly deformed dog breeds. Still kind of weird though, I guess fucking a wild animal is probably at least a shade more respectable than fucking some guy (likely your bro's) pet because you need some Lupus-born Garou eventually.

>>97876254
that's adorable.

>>97876318
>Humanity is the best agent for the Wyrm.
Something that sometimes get lost in the game and I wish the fanbase and writers would remember it a bit more when they act like werewolves don't have any reason to be killing people.

Anyway I bet Pentex breeds the most genetically diseased wolf-dogs imaginable and releases them to wolf conservation efforts as a means of screwing with kinfolk. They probably have a betting pool to see who can trick the first Garou into hitting the honeypot.

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>>97868400
>that picture

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Marauder or Imbued?

>>97876818
Fomori.

>>97876818
Is that just some random autist?

>>97876449
>Something that sometimes get lost in the game and I wish the fanbase and writers would remember it a bit more when they act like werewolves don't have any reason to be killing people.
Its more that the Wyrm covers so much shit a mundane threat sounds like you are missing something as a player unless you have some meta knowlege that's not the case.

>>97876853
a r**dit mod

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>>97876898
Fomori it is, then.

>>97876891
To be fair, a lot of people are scum irl even without having a metaphysical spirit of entropy guiding their hand into giving more rights to actual doom cultists

>>97876990
But you expect there to be a supernatural complication so you can't murderfuck your problems away.

>>97876990
I'm going to play devil advocate and say that everything was under control until the Garou stopped the Impergium. If they had just kept culling humanity there is no way the world would be in such a dire state in modern times.

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>>97876818
>average /x/ poster.

>>97877045
>modern times
being the imperative word
there wouldn't be modern times

>>97876818
QRD?

>>97877140
Precisely, I am glad we agree.

>>97877045
Don't you have a Verbena to be getting pegged by?

>>97877189
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oklZ_astrcg
and as far as I can tell from reporting, it is real and he was arrested

>>97877223
There's video of that retard inside the guy's home.

>>97877044
I thought the Garou way was to murderfuck first and ask questions later?
>>97877045
Confused if Dog sympathizer (dare I say simp) or if actual Woof

>>97876465
Don't know if it's the right term, but colorful goth are definitely sexy

>>97876818
well, he believed himself to be a wizard detective so marauder? buuuuuut he actually accomplished nothing while facing a mundane so I say imbued

unless he lied about that too, he said that he was a vet and we can conclude that he was having an episode

>>97877310
Yes, but there are supposed to be consequences for doing that type of stuff. For example, let's say your pack wants to wipe out a mining crew because they are getting close to a Caern cavern. If you can just murder the crew and be done with it, the game ends after a single session; there are "supposed" to be complications with the cleanup, cover-up, and consequences as the town loses their main income, leading to more banes, leading to more problems, and so on and so forth.

>>97877456
Maybe he's an Arete 1 Marauder, with a single dot in something useless like Prime.

>>97877493
That might be the most useless kind of wizard there is, the kind of useless that I never knew existed even if it’s entirely possible

>>97877559
I'll let you know Harry Dresden is a pretty powerful wizard.

>>97877591
He did managed to get inside with his powerful flip flops and Demon Slayer shirt

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>>97877612
The result of a powerful spell, no doubt. After that, he went full picture related and deleted all recordings of his supernatural feat.

>>97877189
Dude had a schizo episode and thought he was harry dresden from the dresden files. He went to a neighbor's house and accused him of kidnapping a little girl or some shit.

>>97878048
Understandable, I hope he recovers from the episode soon.

>>97872637
Talking about the Border Corps Division, I think a cool event to kickstart a game would be that the avatar storm mutates and starts shredding the gauntlet as well leading to xbawx huge umbrood to materialize.

Is the Technocracy responsible for ALL inventions? 3G is not that big of a leap from the radio, and 5G is a much smaller leap from 3G. Can a normie invent something new, as long as it's reasonably close to the Consensus?

>>97878162
2E Guide to the Technocracy says that sometimes common people invent new things, but that most new technology comes from their own labs. The revised syndicate book says that the VEs invented duct tape, so it can be anything. Of course, GttT doesn't talk about all the other shady things the Union does, and it offers a unique perspective. That same book says that "Oh yeah we can't release the cure for cancer yet because the world might not be prepared for it" there is always interests at hand and the actions of individual, corrupt members. Of course, maybe someone did figure out 5G a decade before and something happened to them. Maybe they didn't. Whatever the case, it came out to the wider world at a date according to that decade's timetable.

>>97878162
>Is the Technocracy responsible for ALL inventions?
Yes because anything a mortal makes viable here have been 8 gorillion technocrats who did the same thing 59 years ago and planted the idea in the collective consciousness.

>>97878162
no far from it. there is a umbra realm called Inventium where tech goes inbetween dreaming and invention in real space and the union only discovered it in the 19th centure and despite their efforts they never managed to fully police it even before the avatar storm
>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Inventium
they also disagree on certain parts on consensus like dark matter and the uncertainty principle, but they think that the etherites are behind those (they aren't) and in m20 (seperated from the rest because it's m20) they also didn't understand how a Hadron Collider was supposed to work
>When the first Large Hadron Collider was opened near Geneva, Iteration X — like the rest of humanity — had no idea what would happen next. Would such forces create an anomaly on earth? Rip open dimensional barriers? Instigate cosmic collapse in a second Big Bang?
and that smartphones are far more advanced than they should be based on the timetables

>>97877045
Well, the weaver would probably give humanity the 3 gifts anyway.

I’m surprised that the Traditions got bases on Mars but not the technocracy

>>97878436
Something about John Carter opened the door for them a lot sooner.

>>97878436
not their fault that the union made space colonies so hard to do with science

for reference at peak power the technocracy had quint dyson spheres and space station umbra realms but a colony on another planet would have to follow all the rules the VE set for space

Do accidents or events outside the technocracy’s control affect the consensus, say like, did the challenger exploding fuck the tech bros over for a few years, did y2k fears affect them in any way

>>97878707
The biggest obstacle keeping the Technocracy from building their utopia is something that crass mages call the Shit Factor. Reality needs to be a dysfunctional mess for people to accept it, things need to go wrong, there needs to be disappointment and failure and grime. Complex robots can't exist, they're too difficult to program and would guzzle too much power. Miracle cures don't exist, they always cause arrhythmia or autism. There's no such thing as a perfect economic model, there will always be poverty and misery for the masses. Sleepers are too attached to the flaws of reality to let them go.

Watching Garou die in horrible agony! Making them pay for their barbaric actions! Dunking Garou in vats of acid! Injecting colloidal silver into Garou veins, inflicting such mind shattering pain that they beg for death! Forcing Garou to watch their kinfolk live happy and fulfilling lives with normal human spouses, growing old together and letting the genetic blight that is lycanthropy die out for good!

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>>97862211
Just finished the thin blood quest is it safe to drop this mission's stuff right? I don't want to clutter my inventory

>>97878937
yeah should be. En and lili don't show up again

>>97878924
And then a giant snake coils around the planet and fucks it to death because there's no one left to fight it.

>>97862211
No idea what this is supposed to be for because no title but based edition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALFMYWFRjQs

>>97878937
you can talk to her and give it back

>>97879006
Considering what a horrible job they've done so far, I'm inclined to roll that dice and see if someone better will step up to the plate.

>>97879006
And there was much rejoicing among setities

>>97879276
kinda funny how all their deities want to eat them

>>97879286
It’s a pretty consistent theme among vampires that their deities/masters/progenitors want to eat them

>>97879291
yeah but the setites have like 3 with set, sobek and wyrm... 4 if you buy apep not being the wyrm and they are fully convinced that they won't be eaten

>>97879345
“Well yeah, everyone else is suckers except my specific group, we all know what’s actually going on”

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>Unseelie Chads be like

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>>97862211
>Be WWF
>License Gangrel for your vampire wrestler
>he has two followers
>just name them Edge & Christian
what clan names should they have licensed for Edge & Christian?

>>97879434
Tzimsce and Lasombra respectively

>>97879434
Lasombra for both, Lasombra and LAsombra

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>>97879006
I still don't get what the Tal Mahe Ra do and why anybody lets these literally whos supposedly run both sects

>>97879458
Something something antideluvian simps

>>97879458
>I still don't get what the Tal Mahe Ra do
Die

So I'm playing Mage the Ascension. I've never played the thing before, so I've got a couple questions.

1. I like the idea of the Spirit sphere, being a summoner/necromancer, plucking souls out of bodies, so on, but I don't really know what spheres complement Spirit. I was looking at Prime since that seems to go with everything, and Correspondence for the same reason, but could use some advice.

2. Why is the system to split in tone in terms of character freedom? Like, on the one hand everyone has personal Paradigms and Practices so everyone's a bit unique, but then the factions are described as very strict in tone- like the Hermetics are all no individuality haughty High Magick users, the Verbani are all red in tooth and claw druids, the dreamspeakers are all shamans, so on. Seems contradictory.

3. Is it powergaming to grab Arete 3 and extra Spheres at chargen? I feel so starved for spheres, all the suggested stuff I can do seems to require tons of spheres at high ratings.

>>97879434
toreador but actually go with a vampire bullfighter theme and tzimisce for the joke that nobody can pronounce the name

>>97879496
You're meant to be weak at first Anon, the point of Mage the Ascension is that you scale harder compared to the other factions starting off mostly just able to sense shit or do something fancy before doing anything fantastic. Plus if your DM is decent you wont fucking end up mogged by problems your character wouldnt be able to handle.
>>97879501
is it ZIM E SEE or SIM ME SEE?

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>>97879501
“YOU LISTEN HERE TEE-MEAT-ZEE, YOUR NIGHTS IN THE RING ARE NUMBERED”

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>>97879501
>"Now listen here Tiramisu of whatever your jabroni name is"

>>97879402
Unseelie has unironic pedophiles. The hurtcore enjoying kind.

>>97879517
>is it ZIM E SEE or SIM ME SEE?
obviously it's tzimisce

>>97878924
Another succesful processing procedure. The march of progress goes on.

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>>97877045
Not one single proper rebuttal. No, the biggest failing of the Garou was not the Wars of Rage or anything like that. It was not having the stomach to continue doing what needed to be done. They could have stopped the majority of degradation of WoD but they didn't.

>>97879006
But it's ok becaise Cain will be a dick anyway and God will have to redo the entire world again.