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>>97868776

Is anyone playing Warhammer Renaissance? Compared to TOW it seems more in the spirit of oldhammer.

>>97868817
I’ve never even heard of that. Is that some 9th age offshoot?

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>>97868776
i dont know where its from or who did it but i really like this one

>>97868817
It’s a fan created 4-5-6th edition amalgamated ruleset trying to capture warhammer fantasy in the 90’s but without some of the issues. Crown of Command has some good video battle reports of it.

>>97868817
I've played a bit of it. It's well written, feels balanced and the army lists are incredibly versatile, sad that there's not much of a community anywhere.
I absolutely love what they did with undead:
>Classic Undead
The good ole 4th edition undead army with mummies, wraiths, ranged skeletons and the like.
>Vampire counts
Rules for different bloodlines and special things for each of them like Sylvanian militia for Von Carstein and the ability to take Empire or Bret heroes as Lahmian Swains.
>Tomb Kings, haven't looked much into them, but they seem to be there in their 5th edition glory

Then there's like a dozen ways of building chaos armies
>Pure warriors
>Pure Beastmen
>Pure Daemons
>Chaos soup
>Warriors + Beastmen
>Warriors + Daemons
>Beastmen + Daemons

All of them in Monogod, multigod and unified flavours, with different advantages and disadvantages depending on your specific choice.

Honestly, after following Renaissance's development for a while, TOW feels a lot more restrictive and less interesting in flavour

>>97868817
>Rules locked behind a private facebook group.
lmao

Also cant be bothered to learn a new ruleset just to play it with nobody. It's more convenient to comp TOW rules to your liking.

>>97868973
>feels balanced and the army lists are incredibly versatile,

That's every game before the competive scene has managed to "solve" the game. Put some nerds to crunch the numbers and you'll get fat geeks in tight sports wear boasting about their tournament victories while complaining about the loss of "flavor" in no time.

>>97868977
>FB group
Yeah, the author is a bit of a boomer, though sharing the rules around is encouraged, you can find them around.
>Can't be bothered to learn new rules
Understandable, this is more for people who want something that feels more classic without the withering touch of GWs rules team.
>>97868986
The whole thing is so much of a grog project that I doubt enough of a competitive scene will arise from it, and I'm glad about that. It's meant for fun with the lads, nothing else.

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Finally done with these Bestigors of mine. Took a bit longer than I wanted, but they turned out pretty good.

What’s the last model or group of models you’ve finished recently?

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>>97869014
Here they are alongside the big bad beastlord himself, pretty pleased how this looks.

>>97868973
Damn this seems right up my alley, I wish people at my LGS played unsupported/unofficial games :(

>>97869002
>It's meant for fun with the lads, nothing else.

Isn't that the point of every wargame? You don't have to play TOW (Or even 40K) competively. My group plays very casually and people bring pretty chubby lists.

It's a very big ask to have people learn yet another massive ruleset just to play the game they are more or less already playing.

>order Sisters of Battle transfer sheet from ebay because it's apparently the only transfer sheet anyone has made in the last 30 years with a single-color red rose of Lancaster on it
>only the vehicle markings are big enough for use on men-at-arms shields and there are only 2 per transfer sheet
I guess all the lads get a little rose in the top corner of the shield. Maybe the lord is too haughty to share his full coat of arms with peasants. I could throw on a fleur-de-lys as well to balance it...

>>97868854
I think it's done by Karmavoid for an australian shirt company called electric witch, doesnt look like they have it anymore.

Beastbros, should I rebase my beastmen to ToW after rebasing them for aos ten years ago or should I just play a different army?

>>97869108
just use adapters and play a few games, you'll figure it out.

>>97869108
>should I rebase my beastmen to ToW
Yes, snap those off or get adapters.

>>97869108
Since GW isn't supporting TOW anymore, I wouldn't be so hasty.

>>97869108
I would sell it now since they’re a waac fag army before they get their support dropped in a potential 2nd edition.

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>>97869108
If you really like Beastmen and their vibes then I would say you either rebase or use adepters.
They are a fun army to play, and that’s from someone who isn’t playing them competitively at all, I play them for the vibes and fun

>>97869257
Which bluesky account do you find these on?

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does anyone wanna have sleepover party this weekend. we can eat cereal and use the package + popsicle sticks to scratch build some terrain and play a game or two.

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>>97869014
Been a bit but my Big uns and Orc Command set. Strangely, they have out performed my Khorne warriors consistentky but perhaps that is solely down to me painting and making them myself.

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>>97868776

Any fix for bent plastic? Boiling water isn't cutting it.

>>97869877
Try not being a pussy with the boiled water and actually submerging it

>>97869990
I'm telling you it's not working.

>>97869994
Post a pic of the bent piece

>>97869997
I'm too lazy for that. It's a spearhead.

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>>97870000
I'm absolutely bewildered why you would post here asking for help and then refuse such a basic request. Did you just want to bitch and moan? Boil some water and put the bent part in it for more than 2 fucking seconds and it should easily bend into place after, I don't know what else to tell you man.

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>>97869877
First 3 out of 8 dragon ogres I bought have arrived.
I have too many models.

>>97869877
bend it the other way

>>97870020
Now that would work with resin but I tried submerging way longer and plastic is way too stubborn.
Also I just don't like taking pictures and it's too much effort for no reason. Simple.

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>>97868817
Warhammer Renaissance is very good. The hardest part is finding players willing to step outside the latest edition plantation, but if you can find those players you will have fun no matter what you choose. You should seriously consider looking into 3rd edition though, it's peak. At least give it a read
The thing about wargaming is that the people you play with is so much more important than the rules you are playing with. Playing 100 games of TOW with the LGS freaks is worth very little compared to playing even a single game with a small passionate group who care, and are willing to indulge in epic campaigns, scenarios, narrative battles, etc. I am very lucky that I grew up with a dad and brothers who are into wargaming.

>>97870037
Where do you find people to play these obscure editions with? It's hard enough as it is to get players for the mainline games.

>>97870055
Well that is the question, isn't it? You might as well be asking "how do I find good friends?"

>>97869077
Anon, do I have the website for you!

https://www.forgottenchapters.eu/product/red-roses-of-lancaster/

These should be of the right size for your Men at Arms' shields. And they're pretty well priced, too.

>>97870037
>my wargaming friends are not interested in narrative play and just want to do one-off battles with basic scenarios
>my rpg friends who would like narrative battles are not interested in wargames
damn

>>97870110
>my wargaming friends are not interested in narrative play and just want to do one-off battles with basic scenarios
Unfortunately autism is extremely prevalent in the Warhammer community, and autists struggle with imaginative play, ie. the can't see their minis as soldiers in part of a story on the tabletop (a narrative battle/scenario/campaign). They only see their minis are game pieces and associates stat blocks and mechanics.

Thoughts about this idea for a beastmen baggage train:
>Use the rock from the cygor kit
>Despoil it using chaos bitz and paint
>Heads on spikes
>Skulls and spoils of war scattered around
>One lone beastman to guard the shrine to the dark gods
>(if possible) Captives ready to be killed by the despoiled shrine to the gods

>>97870126
Is the baggage train for a diorama or for a scenario?

>>97870132
baggage trains have rules now in TOW, anon, get with the times

>>97870132
Baggage trains are used sometimes as a secondary objective during games, would be fun to have one that isn't just a blank rectangle. But it would be a bonus diorama/scenery piece.

>>97870144
Screenshot and post them?

>>97870150
Make the baggage train as followers:
>beastman leading, in one hand he is holding a rope(s)
>behind the beastman being pulled by the rope is 2-3 captives (naked women), the rope should be tired around their neck or wrists
>at the tail end of the procession should be a second beastman, prodding the last captive back with a spear, ensuring they keep moving

>>97870182
>ukrainian

oddly specific

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>>97870182
They're in the Match Play guide, which should be in the Gofile

>>97870192
Brother Vinni is Russian

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>>97870182
okay, but not because you said so

Did the renegade rules ever make strigois not dogshit

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>>97870150
An interesting one would be a batch of doe's. Beastmen don't bring anything else with them when they migrate and it's the perfect thing for other races to want to destroy.

>>97870182
Chad
>>97870243
Incel

>>97870330
Faggot

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>>97870193
>>97870202
The examples given in the match play guide of Baggage Trains GW created

>>97870445
Those are some strong ass ponies

>>97870445
>>97870493
how many horsepower are shetland ponies?

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>>97870182
Thank you for telling me these exist, just impulse bought a small selection

>>97870445
There is an unscraped mould line on the dwarf driver's arm.

>>97870683
Based, only nogame secondaries care about that shit. Mold lines are not noticable on the tabletop, it only matters for paintfags uploading pics on reddit of their pavement princess models

>>97870688
Playing games with beautiful models is desirable and good, anon. They enhance the experience.

>>97870715
Do you apply that same attitude towards your terrain? I would bet not

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>>97870182
My dwarven bagage train. Alcoholic dwarf ammo delivery

>>97870110
I’m in the same boat, sucks ass because you just can’t win either group of people over

>>97869877
I fixed a bent bloodletter sword once with the hottest setting on a hair dryer.

>>97870767
Yes, beautiful terrain enhances the experience of playing a game. What are you even trying to say?

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>>97870330
filtered

>>97870839
I'll give that a try, thanks.

>>97870123
>get fellow sperg friends into warhammer because it would be fun to have narrative campaigns with the bros
>they become consumed by reddit waacslop faggotry
>only want to play competitively optimized games and scenarios
>cant play games with them anymore because theyve killed the fun through relentless efficiency and they cannot enjoy the game any other way

many such cases.

>>97870823
Extremely kino and something dwarfs would die to protect.

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>>97868776
Forever and always.

>>97870851
Everyone rants and raves and harshly critiques model moldlines and paintings, yet not a soul in this general gives two shits about playing on a nice looking table

>>97870933
You don't own any models or play any games thobeit

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Look at this cool troll, hope nope one is feeding it.

>>97870615
Brother Vinni apparently has a particular proclivity

>>97869257
at least they/them are wearing a helmet, we all know what color the painter woudl paint the skin.

>>97870944
>submissive naked slave girls
Seems pretty tame and vanilla is you ask me

>>97870933
There is a difference between playing games on the tables you have access to and not caring about having a nice looking table. A game on a bad table is worse than a game on a good table, but it's better than not playing a game.

>>97870942
>avoid accusation with irrelevant strawman attempt

>>97870950
It's a very true point, one we agree on. I think the issue arises when no attempt is ever made to elevate your playing experience, and you just accept playing on shit tables as normal. Most people in this general have been playing for many years and have had ample time to aquire a nice battlemat or craft/purchase some quality terrain ~ but they haven't.

>>97870098
These are too detailed for my aesthetic preference. The SoB decal is monochrome red. The only other transfers I've seen that look the way I want are from the Bretonnian sheets they made in the 90s that only have 5 of each charge and cost like $15 each on ebay.
Believe me, I looked.

>>97870976
Have you considered freehanding the roses? It'll take a bit of practice, but once you learn how to get it done you'll be able to paint them forever.

>>97870987
That was my original plan, but I couldn't even draw one on paper. I'm a dreadful artist and I have shaky hands to boot.
May still give it a shot on a spare shield and see how it turns out.

>>97870991
Practice, practice, practice, anon! You can't get good at anything without being shit at it first. I believe in you!

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>>97870943
Has posting this every single time ever actually achieved anything other than making you look like you're seething?

How do we make him go away once and for all

>>97871181
don't feed him, simple as

>>97870948
Oh I'm not opposed. Just interesting to see someone do so many.

>>97870193
oh no now I have to make a baggage train

>>97871181
>>97871189
Have you tried addressing his actual points instead of just getting upset? I know spirited discussion can be intimidating for some people, but this is a public forum for conversations after all

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what the fart could a night gobbo b train consist of?

>>97871241
Submissive naked slave girls

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Riveting thread

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>>97871263
anon this is starting to sound like it's just a fetish

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>>97871263
goblins dont habe wieners or know what s*x is…

>>97871308
>This git didn't grow a mushroom wiener
NGMI

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>>97871308
>he doesn't know

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>tfw lots of painting to do
>tfw other commitments are in the way.

>>97871181
Probably just ignore him. His prolific spamming during Easter weekend hints to him having no family or other commitments. So the most we can do is ignore him.

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>>97870994
Free hand is hard but, weirdly, easier than drawing with a pencil.
This needs a few more iterations to get the proportions right, though. I'm not sure the best way to do that.

>>97870823
Holy Sovly

>>97871491
why do you do this to yourself?

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>>97871491
>5th ed spearmen
>5th ed halberdiers
>5th ed archers

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>>97871660
Ukrainian colors tho'...

>>97871733
irrelevant coincidence

>>97871733
shouldn't you be in the trenches, ivan

>>97871660
I knew you could do it, anon. Keep going!

>>97871855
Sorry anon, but I think I have to cut a stencil...

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>>97871660
Based

>>97870688
Faggot cope.

>>97870688
Trvke. I play more games than this entire general and don't give a shit about mould lines.

stop samefagging your shitty bait

Is he Right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJV-_r5RVps&t=123s

>>97872008
Buy an ad

>>97872008
This entire video can be summarized as "people should play the game they way they want to" and I happen to agree with this... korean(?) gentleman. There shouldn't be one comp, there should be many. The comp he mentions using for this tournament is similar to the comp that's still being used to this very day by people who play 8th, so there's nothing really new there. It's a system that works. I also agree that people should just play the game. More people playing the game without stressing about the meta would be good.

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I’m not really a fan of grave guard, they’re too annoying to assemble up and frankly I think they look silly. Does anyone know if these will rank up on those bases however? I really like the halberd options they have, I could probably greenstuff some flesh on them to attempt to armor them up.

>>97872035
okay
buy an ad

>>97872057
I am not the guy who made the video. The guy who originally posted the link probably is.

>>97872062
nah i just wanted to bait discussion in the general

>>97872047
Those guys look like ghouls, not grave guard.

>>97872008
idk who that is but i'm suddenly realizing how rare it is to see asians talking about warhammer

>>97872089
Ghouls don’t have weapons, also I don’t really care for grave guard being skeletons all the time. I can sculpt some damaged mail on them to make them look the part along with some capes.

>>97872091
Maybe Warhammer is the White mans hobby

>>97872132
that would explain why GW keeps trying to put brown people in the official art
no one loves brown people as much as white people do

>>97872111
They do, actually - bones, rocks etc. Those guys wielding old, rusted swords aren't too far from bones or clubs. Just google older metal models.

>>97872111
>I can sculpt some damaged mail on them to make them look the part along with some capes.
I doubt it

>>97871972
Post em

>>97872137
No one loves brown people more than white BRITISH men with low T

>>97872194
Mail is easier to sculpt than fur.

>>97871660
Practice makes perfect, I commend you on actually practicing. I've been saying I will start learning to freehand for probably 1.5 years now. Keep it up anon.

I 3D print historical miniatures, is it possible for me to get into warhammer fantasy with 3D printed models?

>>97872111
If you can make them look armored? Okay. But you probably cant, turning those ghouls into something that reads like "heavy elite infantry" is going to be really hard (especially if grave guard are too hard to build).

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>>97872091
He's a sculptor iirc. IDK if he's professional but I have watched his videos before. He makes lots of unique green stuff sculpts. His armies/work is kino, very oldhammer inspired aesthetically. His Night Goblin army is great.

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>>97872295
Those giant squigs are hand sculpted for example.

>>97872285
Yep, but you could also just use your historical minis in the mean time

>>97872299
>>97872295
that's sick

>>97872285
A lot of people make off-brand Fantasy miniatures for printing.
A lot of fantasy miniatures that aren't actually intended for Fantasy will also fit.
Certain factions go well with historical miniatures as well.

>>97872309
I mainly do Napoleonics so it's a no-go
Am I wasting my time buying warhammer fantasy suitable STLs, printing them and painting them? I'd like to play casual and narrative games of warhammer fantasy
>>97872318
Any recs for sculptors? I live in Australia btw, I remember hearing people say that we're more ok with recasts than elsewhere so 3D prints should be alright?

>>97872328
>am I wasting my time
Getting into Warhammer if you're not already invested (sunk cost fallacy) is a waste of time and not very smart, yes

>narrative games
No one plays narrative games

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finished my Outriders after 1 week of painting.
40 ready to go :).

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>>97872476
>>97872486

How bad is a high elf dragon for casual games? I want it because it's cool and also because it's high points for $

>>97872513
Fine as long as you don't give it a tripple save

>>97872328
The guy responding to you is our resident historical troll. He hangs out all day in Warhammer threads and shit talks them. No idea about Australia, but in my experience the TOW/Fanatasy community is way more open to alternative sculpts/prints than other GW communities. Do you know how fantasy plays roughly? You either enjoy the rank and flank gameplay or you don’t.

>>97872476
>>97872486
>>97872491
Kinooooooooo, the cancer rises. How do you run them comp wise?

>>97872491
how do you do the bases? I want a similar effect for my bretonnians but I've only used texture paint before

>>97872476
>>97872486
Soft hands, pencil wrists. Have you started your transition yet?

>>97872328
The honest truth is I just paint, I don't play but from what I've seen online it seems to be quite normal to have a lot of unofficial models, including 3D prints, in TOW armies.
Highland Miniatures makes direct 1:1 proxies for several Fantasy factions that are fairly close aesthetically to the official models. At the very least I know their Gallia range is very popular with Bretonnia players.
https://www.myminifactory.com/users/Highlandsminis

>>97872132
Nah, Japs love this shit, twitter is full of their hobby blogs, it's just that they keep to their own circles.

>>97872299
>>97872299
Kinoooo

>>97872612
>I don't play
Based.

>>97868986
Kek
> Realize it's 100% accurate
Sad kek

>>97869108
Are they painted?
If yes adapters. If not painted then GTFO you have had the army for years you waste of space

>>97871720
All the painted old models were part of my old childhood army. When the 6th ed book came out i got most of my metal infantry then since the local gw had an auction and nobody was buying old bret infantry so i bought them all, I also eventually got other newer boxes. but I had so many knights that were painted and i just played with friends, and my armies were always how many knights can i fit in a list, so i never ran infantry. But Now i've gotten sucked into the old world. My goal is to finish the army by the end of the year.

>>97872137
Kek

>>97872664
what tags do i search for japanese warhammer?
also isn't GW shit even more expensive there than in australia

>>97872328
>3D prints
If you can find your way around telegram, you should find scans and proxies for most if not all of the TOW armies, though some will be older models.
>>97872476
Good job anon, I'd have killed myself if having to paint so many identical models

>>97872757
A direct translation into good ole moon runes should be a good starting point
>expensive
Considering many of them are also gunpla, scale model and garage kit nerds, it probably isn't that much of a ludicrous amount of money. Also consider that in many cases the price of the kit is the cheapest part of the build for many Japanese modelers.

>>97872585
Oregano.

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>>97872285
All of my army is 3D printed (Beastwomen). Finally got my razorgor printed by my friend. Here it is drying its primer.
>>97872328
I used myminifactory to find all my sculpts.

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>>97872872
Unprimed for size and maybe better pic.

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>>97872872
Can you recommend some sculptors for beastwomen?
I'm not gonna run a beastwomen army for fantasy, but they'd make fun auxiliaries for Amazons in Midgard or as alternatives for the non-humans in Wargods of Aegyptus.

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>>97872884
Bunch of different ones for different tastes. I was surprised how much decent choice there was, but you need to know how to dig through chaff. It's absolutely fantastic for scatter terrain and general buildings though.
White werewolf tavern has some good stuff. I'm using a Belkasar model for my lesser bray shaman, Printerra studios for my centigors and wargors/command crews. Mini Monster Mayhem for that Razorgor above and their Root Spawn Behemoth for my greater chaos spawn eventually.

>>97872955
>wargors
warpgors
Finding Teiflings to use as my ungors was the hardest thing. Couldn't quite get the corrupted elves turning feral look while also having bows. Took about 2 hours of sifting, but got them from Mammoth Factory.

>>97872955
>>97872884
This really is the zoophile containment thread lmao

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>>97873034
Have you never heard of Wargods of Aegyptus?

>>97873091
>king of memphis
>it's elvis
heh

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>>97873034
You’d best believe it.

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I'm almost happy with the way this rose came out.
The paint on this shield was already quite thick before I started painting over the center repeatedly, so if I don't strip it then it'll go to the back of the infantry block. Given that, I think this is "good enough." It was painted by a peasant, after all.

>>97873635
Solid, keep working on the freehand. Maybe doing a black border of the silhouette would help make it a bit more crisp but idk.

>>97873657
I think I have to scale it up a little. The petals almost look good, but there's no space for the thorns so they get crowded out and look awful.
I may try using one of my impractically tiny brushes for increased precision as well.

>>97872476
What a feminine hand

>>97872476
What colors did you use for the horse skin? Trying to find a good horse-like color for my centigors

>>97873713
Are the centigors female?

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>>97873721
What do you think?

>>97872476
Must be a fun army to be playing against
>>97873635
Looks decent. Probably good on arm distance. The blue and yellow layers are visibly way too thick but I will doubt that it will stand out from a regiment

>>97873727
I don't see no horsecock

>>97872694
>the local gw had an auction and nobody was buying old bret infantry
It reminds me when my FLGS closed down toward the end of 7e and were just distributing their shit to the regular customers. The local meta was very unbalanced with wood elf + dark elf making like 60% of the playerbase and since I was the only dwarf player left I got some really sweet stuff

>>97872047
Anon this sounds like a really dumb idea

>>97873826
You’re right, I’ll just give up on my idea of playing tow entirely.

>>97873838
>literal child tantrum

>>97873838
Good.

>>97873838
Thanks, and don't come back! Maybe AoS is more your style

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>>97872592
>>97873677
Thanks for complementing my non deformed aristocrat hands ;*

>>97873713
Orange brown triad by TTC. looks great and blends nicely.

>>97873740
The good thing is that when the shooting goes well the game is over by turn 2. I prefer that over 3 hours of Vampire, Tomb Kings or skirmishing autism slop.

>>97872757
>also isn't GW shit even more expensive there than in australia
There's plenty of VLOGs of people browsing Japanese FLGs, Japan is a treasure trove for oldhammer stuff and it's not even that expensive

>>97872299
>>97872295
Fuck I'm mad jelly of his skills

>>97874191
Oh yeah, I forgot Japan has an extremely robust secondhand market where things are weirdly cheap. You can get SNES games complete in box for like $10 there.

>use dry palette
>paint dries out in 5 minutes
>use wet palette
>paint gets wetter and wetter until it's completely unusable
what's the solution? this shit is aids

>>97874661
Your wet palette is supposed to be WET, not floating on water

>>97871491
At least prime them in the dominant colour anon. Thats not too hard

>>97874718
I tend to use brush on primer, and I still want to go through and do another pass over for mold lines when I do decide to prime them. I wouldn't be worried. they'll be painted soon. Just after I write 6 more chapters of my book and I paint 20 more knights.

>>97874661
It should be just barely wet. Tipping the container over should result in no water dribbling out. You can dab the parchment paper with a towel to get any excess moisture off of the top.

>>97873034
It's 2026 grandpa people don't have a conniption over anthro titties anymore

>>97874911
I bought one that came with hydration paper and have been using that. I was actually thinking about how the paint seemed to last a lot longer with my old palette, which I used parchment paper on. Obviously the hydration paper is intended for artist's acrylics, not this barely-thicker-than-milk shit we use, so maybe it's absorbing too much water? But I always just assumed it would let less water through than parchment paper does, not more.
I'll try parchment paper next time I switch the sheet and see if it's better.

>>97872476
>>97872486
>>97872491
FLÜGEL DER FREIHEIT

Has anybody played Dungeon Crawl Classics before? I am running a game set in the Warhammer world and ended up with a caster heavy group, who now I need to present some cleric gods and wizard patrons. It's set in the underexplored areas of the map, 100 years after a failed End Times messed up the winds of magic a lot, so there's a lot of room to inject different ideas on top of the existing lore. What weird freaks should the wizards invoke power from?

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Poor Stirland noble with his long time advaisors(priest of Sigmar and a wizard) try to retake some of his lost land in the border princes after the death of his older brother, 1500pts, 6th ed with some house rules

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>>97875452
Did the pigs survive?

>>97875452
Great looking empire army and table. Very cool. I wish TOW Empire armies looked like actual armies.

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I've never gotten into the fluff of Warhammer and was thinking of where to start. (not the broad swathes I roughly know those)
What is everyone's favorite Codex for their faction's fluff?
Any edition. Don't care if it's retconned, just want to see the stuff you thought was cool.

>>97875452
Hope to play some 6th myself soon. Gorgous board. Hope the piggies survived.

>>97875643
Read all the 6th edition ones first imo. The rulebooks themselves are pretty great for the lore too. They have broad lore sections.

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>>97875643
>>97875661
the wfrp2e Old World Bestiary is not a codex but is useful for fluff on different ways people think about monsters, people, and themselves.

>>97875643
For the Empire it's
WFB 6th edition Army book
Warhammer City or Middenheim City of the White Wolf, same book but published under different names for different WFRP editions
Blood on the Reik
Sigmar's Realm for WFRP2e

>>97875643
My first introduction to Warhammer lore was the fluff from the manual of the old PC strategy game "Shadow Of The Horned Rat" concerning Morgan Bernhardt and his mercenary company "The Grudgebringers."

>>97874917
Don't be retarded now.

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What do you think of the idea of "named" monsters.
Take Old One Eye from 40k for example, where people are unsure if it's the same one even though multiple reports have declared him dead.
Thinking of doing something similar with a Ghorgon I've yet to assemble to add an air of mystery to it. I also plan on kitbashing it somewhat, by adding one or two extra maws on it's body for it to shovel victims into, making it a bit more unique.

>"By Sigmar it's [name pending here], I thought Franz the Brave slew him 5 years ago at the battle of Scheissdorf!"

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>>97875949
as a thing for making /Your Dudes/ it's fine it's more interesting than just
> This random Giant/big monster is following the Army now
The WFRP Bestiaries have some pretty good examples of named monsters if your looking for inspiration, pic being an example

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>>97875452
Good looking table, I like the attempt at terrain. Playing 6th is based, and house rules is even more based. This pic really illustrates how much worse printed battlemats look though, with the way the lights reflect off it and really draw attention to the 2d nature. I wish the old grass mats were still standard, this table would be truly great with one, and some roads to really draw it all together and break apart the flatness of a table.

Great game though, id love to have a round against you

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>>97868776
>TQ
Not Blanche's best work by any means, but for my money it's the quintessential WFB image

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played a 1400pts game of skavens vs chaos dwarfs. For the first time in years, we got completly destroyed, the chaos dwarfs winning 1500pts (they killed the general) to 0pts. We did managed to kill a lot of guys but not enough to gain points.

>>97875602
Kek

>>97876177
Didn't even realise this was blanche

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>>97876179
here's where things went ugly : because it was in the forest, all units couldn't use their rank bonus for combat results. The chaos dwarfs won the fight, and skavens had to retreat, leading to their death the next turn

>>97876227
>Tutenburg Forest: Skaven Edition

>>97876242
it was a massacre indeed, but very fun. My friends want to try tomb kings next time

>>97876179
20 clanrats? Anon, I...

>>97876259
back in the days, I had a huge unit of 40, but with the 1 clanrats unit per 1000pts, I had to split them. I gave them weapon teams but I agree, they're weak

>>97876062
This pic is actually the most perfect example of an ideal TOW gaming table. It's not an over the top unplayable diorama, it has all the essentials, yet it's still open and flat enough for rank and flank games, while still providing plenty of varied tactics. Just peak

>>97876062
What’s the point in all of that? Just seem like a waste of time to set it all up

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>>97876376
Wrong general mate, /40kg/ is down the hall on your left

>>97876399
I play battle tech regularly not warhammer slop.

>>97876399
where is the artistry

>>97876399
Who TF buys that shit cardboard terrain

>>97876434
Tournament organizers spending their own money to insure their local tournament scene has something to play on. Yes, the oversimplified L-shaped cardboard/MDF "ruins" in the proscribed GW layouts are soulless. But at the very least, they're functional as the rules need, and more importantly for a tournament, equitable to both players.

>>97876461
God, nothing puts me off more than ideas like "balance" "tournaments" and "competitive scene", truly the scourge of the hobby.

>>97876399
I've said for years that gw needs to make terrain part of matched play list building, that way each player shows up with half the terrain needed for a game. They were on the right patch with faction terrain in AoS, they just chickened out not making it a requirement.

at the very they need to sell a box that fills board with the terrain needed for matched play.

whatever your counter argument is, its still not good enough to justifyu this fuicking shit

>>97876471
That's why GW is working to combine its narrative and competitive scenes for 11th ed 40k. I don't think it will work. They're inherently distinct. One wants to use fully-realized and painted terrain on thematic boards to tell a story.
The other is already printing 2D MDF terrain.

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>>97876477
Counter argument, tournaments tried player-placed terrain in 9th ed. It was a clusterfuck of poor placements and accusations of cheating when the terrain used by both players wasn't exact.
10th may have no soul, but it functions. And is a step up from what was. This was 8th ed, Soulless and virtually non-functional.

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hey broskis, dunno where to ask except for here
would C be too non-canon? i went for something else except a proper toad dragon head and i got this kek

>>97876510
dunno, I guess so but it looks fucking awesome

>>97876510
The entire character is non cannon

>>97876490
>11 attempst to get it right, surely it will work this time!!

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>>97876500
40k (and GW games in general) would be well served with an across the board range reduction on shooting, to an absolute maximum of like 30", with the majority of ranged weapons falling between 12-24". the fact that almost every gun in the game, including now basic troop guns, are deployment zone to deployment zone turn 1 cross table shooting is a real problem for their games. aos is the best about this with mostly short range weapons and have even hemmed in what cross table shooting and casting they had. ToW is a little worse with some of its longer range guns and artillery and wizards, but none of them come close to 40k which is obscene in this regard

i dont even blame the players. the players are just using the rules provided for them in the most effective way possible. i blame designers incompetence. especially knowing that all of their game systems use a turn order where one player attacks with their entire army at once. just phenomenal stupidity and reverence for sacred cows on their part

>>97876605
range is fine if you have modifers but GW are obsessed with avoiding modifiers because they think people can't handle them. I woud not be surprised if the next TOW edition scraps every modifier.

>>97875452
>flat fishbown board
>convenient cannon hill in the deployment zone >no line of sight disruption
Nice board, bad terrain placement.

>>97875984
Rad, thanks Anon!

>>97876510
>non-canon
No such a thing when it comes to designs, there can always be a mutation, intra-species variability, some subrace, or a whole other species that just happens to be similar enough for people to call it with the same name.
The pitbull mouth definitely fits the wide stance and is peculiar enough to not get mistaken as some random other squiggly beast, so go for it.

>>97876613
Pretty much this. Once they dropped range modifiers, things have been steadily downhill.
They won't remove modifiers from TOW, though. TOW is an edition FOR the gumpy grogs who like complicated rules sets.

>>97876638
NOOOO HOW DARE YOU PLACE YOUR CANNONS IN THE MOST LOGICAL POSITIONING LIKE ANY REAL GENERAL WOULD!!! NOOOOO

>>97876750
The placement of the cannon isn't the thing in question, the placement of the scenery is, genius.

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>>97876713
fug yeah

>>97876750
There is nothing wrong with putting your cannon on a hill. There is everything wrong with setting the table up so that the only hill you put down is conveniently in your deployment zone ready to give your cannon an unobstructed line of sight of the whole battlefield.

Empire and dwarfs are not wood elves, they do not have a special "put a hill down" special rule, and yet people "conveniently" play them as if they were.

>>97876787
>>97876797
Oh no... The terrain actually makes an interesting and asymmetrical battlefield? The horror!!! We must stop this at once, you're ONLY allowed to play on low effort mirrored sides like these >>97876500
>>97876399

People are too afraid of playing with terrain in a way that "makes things annoying", which results in terrain being placed along the periphery of a battlefield where all it accomplishes is providing gunline bunkers and obstructing anyone trying to do interesting outflank plays.

>>97876833
True, yes, but as these previous posters illustrated
>>97876787
>>97876797
>>97876638
Most players are afraid of fighting "hard" battles or being an a disadvantage of any sort. The truth is that asymmetric or uphill battles are often the most fun, because they have the highest stakes and victory is so much sweeter. Ie. It's the spirit of Stillmania.
Trouble is most players don't view the game as roleplaying a battle or heroic deeds of their dudes, the view it as just that, a game, and they only have fun playing if they "win." I've seen players in real life literally quit and start packing up their toys the very moment they think they might not have a chance of winning.

>>97876832
>"its interesting when I give myself terrain that negates all the actual gameplay dynamics that go into playing with or against a cannon"
lol
lmao

And yes, the mirrored terrain placement of the 40k tournament is better. The issue there is that the terrain is shitty (faceless polysterene shapes) which is , presumably, a budget limitation. Anon has nice terrain and no such issues, so he has no excuse in his placement.

>But the assymetry! surely that makes a battle more interesting!
Weird how this only seems to go one way no? Why isnt the entire board studded with terrain in a way that makes seeing further than 12" away difficult? That would be nice and asymmetric, wouldn't it?

If anon was playing a scenario or mission designed around the empire having an advantageous position? Where an army is meant to defend such a hill (or even more obviously advantageous position) against a superior enemy force, or where it has some auxiliary objective like "prevent the ogres from destroying the town" or maybe the ogres automatically get the first turn to represent them being the attacking force against entrenched defenders? The complaint would be void, because at that point you put actual thought into the game rather than just deciding to tilt the scales in your favour.

But anon has made no indication that he is playing such a game, and "I have placed the terrain in a way that favours me" is not some interesting and fluffy asymmetric mission; it's just inane faggotry.

>>97876832
>an interesting
how? it's the most bog standard and boring arrangement you could possibly have that would influence the game the least aside from giving a pointless advantage to the guy on the defensive

>>97876871
>The truth is that asymmetric or uphill battles are often the most fun
Weirdly enough the guy with the cannon is always the one already on the hill and placing all scenery pieces away from his line of sight, curious, isn't it?

>>97876889
>mirrored terrain of 40k is better(...)
Stopped reading there

>>97876871
>Most players are afraid of fighting "hard" battles or being an a disadvantage of any sort.
True. Which is why people who bring guns try and set the terrain up so it favors their style of play. But that is not what I am talking about. I am talking about "friction".

People do not like it when forests mean they have to play slower, or when they have to worry about whether their unit can comfortably stand on an incline or they have to move trees around to accomodate movement or whatever else. Terrain isnt used not because it disadvantages a given side (good terrain placement does not, it provides an even playing field where a competent player can use elements to his advantage) but because it slows down play, because most players dont enjoy the "frustration" of it and the way it gets in between them and what they want to do.

People dont like rolling for mysterious terrain, they dont like having to deal with obstacles that slow units down or prevent movement, they dont like having to worry about whether a fence is disrupting a unit and where to put it while a unit is "on top" of where it should be. Terrain isnt used because it frustrates people who just want to mash armies against each other.

>>97876832
>its interesting when the empire player can just not worry about line of sight and cover (the things that are meant to balance cannons) and just has an unobstructed shooting lane across the entire board
Sure thing buddy.

This is why minimalist boards are best.

>>97876916
Try and present a single argument about the factual terrain placement.

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Do beastmen care about gold? Wondering if my baggage train should include a treasure chest or just food and booze

>>97876399
People who say that this table is good for WFB >>97876062 are no games and probably no models either faggots.
>>97875452
This table is perfect. Not too much terrain, forests od edges, a lot of space for units in the center of the table. WFB DOESN'T FUCKING LIKE A LOT OF TERRAIN. Moving units on dense table is NOT fun. Trays look TERRIBLE on terrain pieces. If models aren't on magnetic trays, they tend to fall off (and break in the process).
So no gamers, just shut the fuck up.
And you, perrynigger, just leave and never come back.

>>97876947
not really

they might know humans and dwarfs covet it and take it from them out of spite, or to use as lure for humans somewhere, but it doesn't feel like the kind of trick they would normally do

>>97876940
No, minimalist boards are also an issue. The problem is that WHFB has very restrictive movement rules which make terrain a pain in the ass, which means most players dont know how to place or use terrain. Because the way that "feels the best" is having it in the exact wrong place (away from the movement and action).

>>97876953
This is exactly what I am talking about. Anon is not wrong in the things he describes (moving units on dense tables becomes a slow and awkward process, trays and the physicality of formations does not interact well with "area terrain" and so on.

Hes wrong in his conclusion of course, players should learn to live with the friction because it results in more interesting gameplay on every level (more strategic, more balanced, more immersive/more memorable emergent narrative moments). But he has a very commom mentality for WHFB players and for obvious reasons.

>>97876947
Nah Beastmen seethe at the concept of civilization and gold/currency is a staple of civilization. As >>97876977 said, they'd take it only out of spite or to use as a lure.

>>97876953
>WFB DOESN'T FUCKING LIKE A LOT OF TERRAIN
it wouldn't if the terrain you weren't placing the terrain you're using at the irrelevant edges of the board never to be interacted or matter over the course of the game.

even the tower and forest are way too close to the edges, you want to make it viable to move behind them as well as within them.

>>97868973
>not-90shammer with classic Undead
Color me interested.

>>97876062
This board is perfectly fine, at least for smaller games (2k and under).

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>>97876953
>I'm too stupid to navigate an obstacle, so therefore they shouldn't exist

>>97877016
The issue is a physical one. Models and movement trays are tangible objects that cannot phase through other objects. You cannot place your unit "over" a fence or shrubbery or wall. And unlike in 40k (or AOS, or even historicals) moving individual models is less of an option.

Its not "difficult", its just "awkward and time consuming".

>>97877007
>no public download
>2 PDFs but... only on fakebook
>the group is private
Color me disinterested.

>>97877027
NTA but that’s why it’s good to make terrain that can be detached from the footprint, such as a forest piece where the individual trees can be lifted from the base to allow units to step inside them partially and not just move through them.

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>>97876947
I can see slaanesh or tzeentch aligned beastmen gathering gold just for the sake of it, but normal beastmen? no.

>>97876947
I like the idea of Slaaneshi beastmen hoarding gold and jewelry but feeling self-loathing about having such "civilized" desires

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>"hey, nice table, here is some tips to make it look nicer"
>*entire general erupts into seething, coping, dilating*
Truly the most pathetic general on 4chan

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>>97876947
Although I haven't written it down, my beastmen /YourDudes/ use gold for decorations, making trinkets with etchings of the dark tongue and beast runes all over them. But the most sought after metal is Elvish sky-silver (painted using grey knight steel) since the beastlord has a pair of axes made from that material so they want to emulate him as best they can.

You can see what I mean on a few of my Gors, so you do you on what your beasts do with gold.
I mean a smart beastlord or a cunning Bray-Shaman might use it to actually pay a chaos lord or chaos dwarfs for stuff, but those moments might be far and few between, but not impossible.

>>97877040
What’s the point if the games just unplayable. This isn’t mordheim people actually want to play the game.

>>97877003
WFB is a rank&FLANK game, not a skirmish game. You HAVE to have a place for flank charges and manouvers. Forests etc. are for your skirmishers. Best WFB terrain are impassables, that you have to move around, not move INTO or THROUGH. Things like rivers, roads etc. may look nice but they are just nuisance and the effect is ruined by trays anyway. So it's not about having no terrain at all - it's about choosing proper terrain and its density.

>>97877027
>OMG this decorative bush is right where my unit is supposed to go , what do I DO!!??
Nigga... literally just pick it up and move it to the side

>>97877054
Not having a convenient hill in your deployment zone, or the whole board in its sight, isn't going to make the game unplayable.

>>97877060
>rivers are a nuisance
Uhh.. isn't that the fuckin point?

>>97877060
>NOOOOO THIS TERRAIN IS FOILING MY PLAN OF WALKING DIRECTLY TOWARDS MY OPPONENTS ARMY IN A STRAIGHT LINE
can't tell if you're serious of if I'm getting baited by the manlet

>>97877060
Yes, WHFB wants more open terrain than something like a skirmish wargame. But for that same reason it should have terrain along which you can anchor a flank (for example)

>moving into or through
Creates some of the most interesting and cinematic gameplay moments. Terrain as an arbitrary "yes/no" (which is what impassable terrain is) has some value, but more granular terrain is incredibly valuable (and there are countless units and rules specifically designed around that).

Hell, look at fucking 8th, one of the advantages of open order is "you aren't disrupted by terrain". How many times have you seen it matter? None? Because people dont use enough terrain!


>>97877065
Yes, you pick it up and move it to the side or off the table. Then when the unit moves away you move it back. But that all takes time, it "gets in the way of the game", which annoys people.

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All this talk about how difficult it is to move through forests and water

>laughs in move through cover

>>97877100
That is 100% (well, maybe more like 70%) the problem, yes. People dont like when terrain does what it should do (shape the game).

>>97877081
No - it's not the nuisance tactically speaking but technically speaking. If you have a mat with river - cool, go for it. But modelled river, that is not flat - will be just annoying, unless it's impassable terrain, so your unit can't be placed ON it.

>>97877060
>Best WFB terrain are impassables, that you have to move around
Sure, so you will agree the tower and forest should be closer to the center and leave enough space between them and the edges for units to move around in a flanking manoeuvre.

what flank charges do you think are going to happen on an empty corridor where the ogre has to march forward as fast as possible or get torn to shreds by a gunline?

>>97877100
No, you just DON'T understand what I'm saying, because you probably never actually played the game.

>>97877127
Ah, so it bait. Thanks for clarifying

>>97876982
Only greenskins do that because it makes the fight come to them. Beastmen simply don't understand that its valuable at all. Hell, most beastmen don't even understand that stuff over your skin makes you harder to kill, which is why bestigors stand out. Even simple orcs jumble something together for protection.

>>97877119
Maybe they should. I don't mind terrain, as long as it co-works with trays and isn't annoying. There was a reason why medieval battles took place on flat fields.

Wait, when did they stop selling the goblin boss on gigantic spider?

>>97877160
Beastmen aren’t retards, they are more clever and cunning than people give them credit for. Not booksmart in any sense (besides shamans and the occasional beastlord) but they have a cunning of a tribal and the senses of a beast, that combo is quite dangerous.

>>97876510
It's chaos, son, do whatever seems cooler

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>>97877200
Fucked up the pic

>>97877171
>There was a reason why medieval battles took place on flat fields.
They only took place on flat fields when it was convenient for both sides.

No army would want to fight on a flat empty field when in a gross disadvantage regarding their type of troops.

>>97877219
>No army would want to fight on a flat empty field when in a gross disadvantage regarding their type of troops.
No army would fight on terrain that gives a gross advantage to their opponent.

>>97877141
No, no bait. I genuinely think you don't play the game.
This is what I'm talking about -> >>97876227
Notice how those dwarfs are floating above the ground. Not only it looks like shit, it's annoying, unsafe for models, it makes harder to check how many models are in base contact etc. and so on. It's NOT about making the game harder or tactically more demanding. It's making the game longer and less enjoyable, and since your tray covers your piece of terrain, you can't enjoy even that.

>>97876739
I haven't touched 40k since mid-8th edition and everything I've read about 9th and 10th sound truly retarded.
I can't believe they're making 7th edition seem comparatively superior and it was a sad cluster fuck back in the day.