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KIND
KOLOSSAL
KUSTODES
KNOCKERS

>>97869769
>How big is your pile of shame?
Don't ask questions you don't want the answer to

How would you make GSC more interesting in lore and Gameplay?

>>97869769
>TQ
Too big.
Most of my collecting of miniatures/bits was for a hypothetical time when I would be in a happier situation.
A situation that never came.
I did enjoy painting what little I did.

>And Primaris Space Marine General
The best thing that came out of the primaris vs. firstborn stuff for guard players at least was pointing out the marine height autism whenever marinefags pointed out any guard autism.

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>>97869882
Give GSC more actual alien units.
Like make a very big Totally-Not-Carnifex type genestealer that's more heavily armored.
Kinda like all of those genestealer variants in the Deathwing video game.

I like orks :D

>>97869906
based and very cool

So are the new terrain rules going to make knights more sufferable or insufferable?

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>>97869769
>Land Raidah Edition
Currently assembling my first one

>>97869882
More Malstrain Genestealer stuff would be cool. I know it'll never happen but a malstrain hivefleet would be cool.

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Man I wish the vehicles in 40k could try and look cool. The imperium as a whole looks fucking childish and ugly, eldar are nearly there, tau on the other hand are just embarrassing, and then there is the kino that is orks. Still, 40k has failed as a sci fi setting.

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Made a lot of progress on my terrain. just gotta slop on a wash, highlight, and fix any messes.
>>97869769
>TQ
FOMO and seeing good seconhand deals has led me to having a shit ton of models over the years despite the fact I’ve only been actively painting recently.
probably around 4000 points last time I estimated the size.

>>97869936
Dreadnoughts and imperial knights are definitely a vibe that appeals to some people. Not me personally but I can understand that people like them a lot and wouldn't want them to change.

>>97869769
>How big is your pile of shame?
>unassembled
3 deffkoptas
5-10 stormboyz
10 boyz
5 lootas/burnas (probably lootas)
5 incubi
5 chosen
9ish csm bikers
20ish HH beakies
land raider spartan (that might get used for parts for ork stuff)
>assembled but unpainted/unfinished
3 killa kans
6 tank bustas
2 runtherds
10 chaos cultists
10 traitor guard
traitor commisar and ogryn
>coming soon
defiler and mutilators

Also a couple characters assembled but not painted for the collage, not sure which one I'll enter yet. Got a necromunda juve to paint for my gang as well

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>>97869769
>How big is your pile of shame?
Over 2000 Models

>>97869769
>TQ
1 New Archon
1 Pain Engine (undecided build)

I haven't bought new models in a long time and I already painted my Malys.

>>97869769
>TQ
>four penitent engines
>a box of skitarii
>ork rocker
>an inquisitor
>~25 random metal minis
It's actually really small

>>97869964
lmao is this guy a femboy dwarf or something? What is this faggot filter.

>>97869769
>LR edition
>TQ isn't "What is your favourite Land Raider pattern?"

>>97869769
>How big is your pile of shame?
A lot. It's mainly huge discount boxes so I justify it in my mind as soon or later GW is going to price me out of the hobby, and at that point I will still have enough stuff to last for a bunch of time, and being huge boxes I can always resell them at a minimum loss or in some cases at value.

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>>97869914
Genestealer variants!

>>97869769
>pile
~320 unfinished minis, 90 of these not assembled (or partially).
Most are partially painted. For some I only need to finish the base or do small details.

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>Didn't get selected for the Dawn of War IV alpha for the fourth time

>>97869769
>TQ
20 space marines
10 Kasrkin
2 heavy weapons teams
1 chimera
1 leman Russ
10 Necron warrior
1 annihilation barge
1 overlord
Everything is built, primed and started outside of the annibilation barge and the warriors (who are built but an eBay rescue, I rebased them but need to decide if I’m gonna clip and reglue the green cylinders on the guns so I can prime them or if I’m just gonna paint over)

>>97869769
>TQ
5 Assault Terminators
1 Impulsor
Space Marine Scout Squad kill team
3 Ironkin Steeljacks
1 Sagitaur
10 Infernal Cohort
1 Chaos Dwarf Blood Bowl team

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I don't give a shit if you got in the Dawn of War IV alpha.

>>97869992
>put in specific genestealer faction
>remove ymgarls
What were they thinking?

>>97869996
Far more interested in Total War.
AdMech as a starter faction feels like a joke.

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Cracking shop

>>97869769
>TQ
Not that big surprisingly, getting real close to done. I just keep running into the issue of that I HATE CLEANING FUCKING MOLD LINES.

>>97870018
sovl

>>97870021
Just paint over them nobody cares.

>>97870018
That looks greak honestly
Mirfield Miniatures is great if you ever get a chance to visit though I was just looking and they moved venues?

>tq
2 boxes of realspace raider -1 archon
1 box of hearthguard
1 zeratul
>painting only
a warpsmith
2 hekatons, turns out i hate painting vehicles

>>97869934
>first one
I'm already 4 deep and thinking of swapping one for two more.

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I'm thinking about getting Lhykhis but doing some light conversions to make her slightly more feminine and remove the lighting effect as I frankly think it takes away from the model.

How hard do you think it would be to remove?

>>97870036
I have seen them, and yeah seems a nice idea of selling stuff at reasonable prices. Not actually been but there's some rules about paying members getting first dibs or somesuch.

I have enough stuff at this point. But then I stumble across ridiculous bargains.

>>97870018
I'm going to the Caliphate of England soon. Are there any cool shops around that have retro pewter stuff?

>>97870050
Whereabouts roughly bruv

>>97870047
>but doing some light conversions to make her slightly more feminine
No, you can't add tits to the models.

>>97870056
London, unfortunately.

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Almost done with my superior

>>97870015
I have zero faith in CA.
The DoW IV devs are new and Iron Harvest was mid but I still like everything they've shown

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>>97870057
Not with that attitude.

>>97870073
Did you sculpt that?
I need to tard wrangle Blender to modify and possibly even make 40k related STLs, but I think my IQ is too small.

Are Imperial Guard proxies really the "safest" proxies one can make in avoiding the legal wrath of GW's lawyers?

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>>97870063
My condolences.

Not aware of much in the way of "Aladdin's cave" type shops down there. Dark Sphere is meant to be good, Orc's Nest is historic but mostly RPG/boardgame stuff you can buy anywhere now.

It is Salute this weekend the largest wargaming show.

>>97870049
The members get first dibs on rare shit or forge world stuff because he had an issue with scalpers but it's literally £1 a month to be in the group so I dont know how that keeps any scalpers out. Everything else is either up on his facebook for sale or at the shop on a saturday.
Because of some weird rules he's not allowed to be a primary seller of second hand GW stuff and also sell new GW products so he has "completely separate business" that also happens to use the same building that sells those.
Gave me a laugh

>>97870076
I found a base model and added some modifications. You don't need to be a wizard at blender to add conversions.

You can find an absolute metric ton of guard out there, as for avoiding GW lawyers, that's only a issue if you plan on selling, or you are showing up with a full army printed to a GW store. I've played with my converted models often and had no issue.

>>97870102
>I found a base model and added some modifications.
Baby steps man and soon you'll be making great proxies and maybe making some chump change selling the STLs.
Hopefully you icarus your way into getting the GW hammer thrown at you so you can BTFO GW in the courtroom like ChapterHouse did and then come out victorious and thrive unlike ChapterHouse did on the thrive part.

>You don't need to be a wizard at blender to add conversions.
I mean that might be true to the average person but spending a lot of hours trying to properly angle a chainsword "blade" to the hilt where a regular sword blade was on a dynamically posed miniature STL made me feel really stupid. Always felt the angle was off until I think I got it right.

Blender may be awful compared to the paid for options but it not only punches above it's price point of being free but is probably very underestimated.

Which is why I keep reinstalling it for the intent modifying guard proxy STLs.

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>>97869815
Base the shoulders, face, upper torso, and limb "casings" a nonmetallic color, and paint the spine, pelvis, joints, and the "uncased" parts of the arms and legs a metallic color. Picrel is two paint schemes I was trying out before deciding on the one I'm currently painting (which is just the one on the right but with dark gold metallic details)

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>At some point that heretic must appear at the window.

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Terrain talk

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/lxzwueun/new40k-terrain-objectives-make-the-battlefield-your-mission/

>>97870119
the idiot just ruined his equipment

>>97869973
A woman took the picture and used the filter, this is just a cropped version that doesn't include her in it

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>>97870124
I'm glad to see IH acknowledged but damn their paint scheme is boring.

>>97870124
its fucking nothing

>>97870124
>Hitting monsters and vehicles in cover on 4's and 5's
This is going to be awful

>>97870119
I like these sorts of art pieces. Like this guardsman offering a smoke to the marine, treating him like a fellow comrade in arms. Feels "human" for lack of a better term.

>>97870173
why are those black templars using lots of guns

>>97870124
isn't this how it currently works?

>>97870184
Considering Vehicles likely aren't seeing a Toughness reduction, yeah this already fucking sucks.
Lethal Hits spam is going to be the only way to reliably get rid of some stuff now.

>>97870124
I'm just glad it isn't the Unique Footprint Warhammer Objective Pack for $70 plus tip

>>97870124
Just play 4th at this point
Or the stupid crap that is Prohammer if you really want to play some random codex from 7th

>>97870251
But the new terrain rules are pretty much like 4th's.

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>>97870173
nice raven guard bro!

>>97870215
I never thought about it, but its kind weird that iron hands prefer to use guns rather than get stuck in with melee. you’d think the guys with massive cyborg arms would like to show off that fact by ripping a warboss in half with their bare iron hands.

I just cleaned off a squad of 35 year old nobz and I can feel the lead coursing through my veins.

>>97870260
>as 4th
>TIL 4th had fixed layouts for tournament play

>>97870278
Competitive terrain layouts != terrain rules. Besides, tournaments back then were famous bowling ball planet. Having optional pre-defined terrain layouts can't be a bad thing.

>>97870245
They are selling that though.

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>>97870063
>>97870050
I've been watching stuff on youtube about the UK. Everything outside of the big cities seems much more interesting, scenic, and distinctly British. It would be nice to see Scotland, have some local milk and pies and then pet some sheep. Maybe get a nice wool blanket and some sweaters in case I fuck one of them up. A cap too idk.

Also can't stand the london accent, it's worse than atlanta or baltimore. I'm not trying to get stabbed by some 20 year old in a puffer jacket either.

>>97870173
the white guns look cool at least.
They're much more interesting in HH where they look like admech and SM had a baby. Very dieselpunk if I'm using that word correctly.

>>97870283
>tournament play
>wargame
Ah we can stop here.

>>97870295
There's been wargaming tournaments for longer than you've been alive.

Is visiting warhammer world worth it? Does it live up to the hype?

>>97870302
If you're in the area? Sure.

>>97870300
You can use a sport car to move cargo around. It does not mean it is a good idea or that other vehicles like a truck are better options.

Imperial Fist primaris intercessors

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>>97870302
I'm not the biggest nuGW fan, but even for me it's a good way to spend an afternoon, the exhibition is good.

Depends on your situation, do you live 3 hours away, or are you in the UK for a holiday? That sort of thing. I mean there's plenty of GW geek types that *do* use a whole day of their holiday getting the train to Nottingham and back who seem to enjoy the pilgrimage.

>>97870308
Sure. How does that relate to a wargame having OPTIONAL terrain layouts to use in tournaments? This shit has always existes. Back then circuits just made their own packs with missions and layouts. Now they still do and GW offers their own on top. I fail to see how this is a bad thing.

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I'm thinking of painting an Imperial fist for fun with black trim instead of red.

Does anyone per chance paint IF? I know they aren't popular but I like the look of yellow on black. Most guides tell you to use a pink undercoat or the IF yellow contrast paint but pic rel has a really neat ochre undertone.

For painting the pants on marine scouts would a warm earthy brown (think steel legion drab), olive drab green, khaki, or grey-blue work best?

desu I'm still looking for inspo through pics or artwork

>still no mention of point costs

>>97870347
If you looking for wargear cost. Give up.

>>97870173
Is the showing off of bionics done for the same reason going into battle without a helmet for space marines?

>>97870349
They did say it would be back in a "limited fashion".

>>97870357
Where you even hear that?

>>97870361
A video they posted last year when Cruddace left GW and a new guy took charge.

>>97870357
nigga that's some enhancements getting the upgrade tag for you to put them on non-characters

>>97870370
So it's not gonna return then. Got it.

>>97870371
That's not even what they mentioned in the video. They explicitely talked about weapons. Sounded like they were still gonna force every unit to take upgrades but at least those upgrades would cost different. So a SoB squad would have a flamer and heavy bolter as a base and could oay extra points to upgrade them to meltas. But no option to just have cheap bolters.

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Models

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>>97870245
uhh

>>97870387
o he handsome

>>97870302
It's fun and they sell a few kits there that are exclusive

>>97870322
Because the current 40k playerbase is the battered wife of competitive players, so once GW release anything for optional use in tournaments you can bet your ass that 99% of the games around are going to use that. The only way to avoid it is to have a very close group of friends without waacfags, but a lot of people are not lucky enough to have that.

>>97870424
Anon let's be realistic. The average 40k player gets a handful of games a year. They don't have the experience or understanding of the game to make a board layout that doesn't suck. Using these makes it so they can easily have a balanced game. Any narrative player worth their salt knows these layouts mean nothing to them ans they can design and play whatever they want in their campaigns. These layouts are a good thing for the game as a whole.

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>>97870329
Imperial Fists in 30k use black trim. Lots of inspiration there.
Apologies for tiny Warhammer community photo.

>>97870439
Still wild to me. The investment required to play is so high if you aren’t getting a game every week it’s kind of a waste of money. Can’t believe someone drops like 2 gs on an army and only uses it once every couple months.

>>97870329
That's the color scheme for the 5th company.

>>97870458
hobbying is the most fun part of warhammer anyway so who cares

>>97870264
On the topic of SW is the starter box worth getting my LGS has one for 18% off

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>>97870387

>>97869941
So you've been spamming i like orks :D for years but never bothered to paint until now?

>>97870458
It takes long to build and paint an army. Personally I've been playing a crusade campaign since last summer. I've managed to play 10 campaign games and 4 RTT games in that time. Sometimes schedules don't line up and it takes a month to be able to play again.

>>97870461
Sure but if you aren’t using them you’re just a hoarder. If I wasn’t constantly using my minis I’d have thrown most of them out a long time ago.

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Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

>>97870370
>crudfaggot
look guys at least that bias assed "math is an opinion" stupid fucking retard is gone now
maybe there is some hope for 40k to heal

>>97870475
>theres only ever been one ork poster ever

really?

>>97870509
There's only been one consistent i like orks :D poster. There's plenty of ork posters, anon

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>>97870439
>These layouts are a good thing for the game as a whole.
It's going to be shit like this everywhere and you know it.

Would an Eldar woman date and marry a human male to save her Craftworld or is the disgust too strong even for that?

>>97870289
God looking at HH unit options for most of the SM legions really shows how much the 40k team really is creatively bankrupt. Like at this point can we just do what HH is doing now and just release gear upgrade sprues for some of the different chapters specific unites (red butchers upgrade sprue for termies, medusan immortal upgrade for gravis/intercessor units.)
>>97870173
Like I love the IH but there's a reason I try to do a custom paint scheme or use one from an unconfirmed gene seed chap. They just are dull minus the white guns.

>>97870522
They canonically did that with Tyranids sooo

Will GW poison me if I show up and 2 of my squads of marines are actually starcraft marines?

>>97870519
Man that looks like shit

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Anyone happens to have that art of a Night Lords Contemptor Dreadnought with a SoB necklace?

>>97870525
No that smut fanfic isn't canon

>>97870512

is >>97869941 the "i like orks" poster?

>>97870534
Yeah thats him

>>97870532
I am not talking about Craftworld Morrigan, I am talking about Craftworld Zaisuthra, the canon version of that, whose Eldar decided to get freaky with Genestealers and willingly became a genestealer cult in the hope it will save them from Slaanesh.

>>97870302
I could happily spend all day in the exhibition, but me and the Mrs went with our 10yr old for my birthday and even she really enjoyed it (I'm told it was "slay") despite never having painted a model, read a novel or played a game in her life.
Id go for it, get yourself the Realm of Chaos and Rogue trader reprints while you're there, maybe a Landraider Excelsior if you're feeling flush.

>>97870500
Yeah every change so far in 11th looks good. I'd like for more but if they are limited by not being able to invalidate existing codexes I get why some of 10th's shit decisions are still around.

>>97870519
so people really force themselves to play like this for the sake of fairness? What the hell is the matter with these freaks? I demand a fun engaging table or I aint playin.

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>>97870519
More like this which is already better looking than anything in 10th.

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>>97869769
>TQ
Help me decide what I put together once I'm done with my collage entry
>Chaplain on Bike
>Leman Russ Battle Tank
>Tyranid Warriors
>Deffkoptas
>Deffdread
>Hearthkin Warriors
>Cthonian Beserks
>Hernkyn Pioneers
>My Iron Warriors warband that I've been sitting on since December (Basically the 9th edition Combat Patrol, Hellforged Warband, and some HH kits. So far I've only built the Rhino and Obliterators/Venomstalker)

>>97870562
Chovi a SHIT

The chapter organization of 1000 marines in 10 companies, with only 4 of those being battle companies and 4 others reserve that supposedly help fill or reinforce those 4 battle companies, as well as the scout company being separate is all very bad organization. I head canon that most marine chapters are organized more along the lines of a modern division or marine expedition force with 3 regiments/brigades, 3 battalions, 3 companies, 3 platoons, 3 squads, and 2-4 fireteams of 3-6 marines. And that overall there is about 3000 marines per normal chapter. Then there are separate support companies for Armour, or veterans, or air support, for being a fully self contained fighting unit.

That is all.

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>>97870578
I don't give a shit about the codex. My chapter follows the Emperor's own Principia Bellicosa which has 10k strong chapters and 1k strong companies. Following a very similar organization to IG indantry regiments or roman legions.

>>97869769
>TQ
Tiny, actually
>half a sprue of Tactical Marines I need to convert for 5 more infernus marines
>mostly-painted squad of devestators I gave up on because I'm probably gonna have to bash them into something else for 11th
>a pewter librarian I have half painted but gave up on because I'm terrified my gorilla hands will snap something
>a knight I'm waiting on a magnet kit for

>>97870519
>caring about others' tables

>>97870560
>Trees
>Antennas
Anon that's absolutely not balanced how dare you

>>97870578
>I head canon that most marine chapters are organized more along the lines of a modern division or marine expedition force with 3 regiments/brigades, 3 battalions, 3 companies, 3 platoons, 3 squads, and 2-4 fireteams of 3-6 marines
This is slightly modified HH fluff rebranded as modern headcanon
>And that overall there is about 3000 marines per normal chapter
There aren't
>Then there are separate support companies for Armour, or veterans, or air support, for being a fully self contained fighting unit.
Armor/air support are all bundled under the chapter armory and don't belong to any company, veterans already have a "support" company in the 1st

>>97870578
In practice, there are many, many loopholes and even the Ultramarines don't follow it 100% to the letter.

>>97870475
I just like them, so I show that appreciation by giving a short line text every thread exclaiming it, I don’t think I necessarily need painted models to do that.

>>97870584
I don't, I am one of the few lucky ones that actually has close circuit of friends which care more about visuals, but the anon I replied to was arguing about what is good for the game, and at my club 90% of the tables are like that and are going to be like that in 11th.

>>97870560
Wow that was very fast

>>97870593
Just ask yourself. If GW didn't provide layouts, would the average LGS board be any good? 10th's terrain rules and only ruin layouts are bad. But what part of 11th's terrain rules (that are mostly a rehash of 3rd's rules) and terrain agnostic layouts make it bad for the game?

>>97870599
They aren't bad in the sense that they actively make the game worse, they are bad in the sense that they don't make the game better and instead continue pushing it in the same bad direction it was heeded before.

>>97870173
>black contrast over metallic paint for Iron Hands
>a mix of dark blue and black for Raven Guard
This is the way

>>97869769
GW is constantly increasing pricing, the concept of pile of shame doesn't make sense to me because obviously I'm going to get the limited time deal box because prices will just be higher next year anyway.

>While not able to use Terrain Areas to gain cover, they can still perch behind ruins, trees, and rubble to gain the benefit of cover,
What fucking retarded cretin decided cover and benefit of cover should be different things

>>97870609
congratulations, you are the target audience, mark

>>97869882
Cult limousine
>inb4 that one fag who shills for 3d printed shit on etsy
An OFFICIAL cult armoured limousine model.

>>97869914
>>97869992
Hulking abominant, an abominant that went wrong and is 5 times the size of a normal abominant.

>>97870014
I still got the old heads though.

>>97870592
you're a ritualposting faggot, don't make shit up to try and rationalize it

>>97870588
>arguing with headcanon

>>97870621
I don’t need to rationalize anything.
I like orks :D
that is all.

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>>97870614
someday, surely, i will either resell or assemble my models.

I wish 11th brought back vehicle wrecks.

>>97870582
Based, I've been thinking about making a White Scars Pioneer company, that's still just out there doing its thing, getting occasional resupplies.

>>97870555

As a shooting player that's been getting bodied by melee all of 10th, I am VERY unsure of how this all shakes out.

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Is Space Yiffs Combat Patrol actually one of the best army samplers? It seems to be giving you a little bit of everything that is exclusive for the faction unlike 90% of generic Combat Patrol boxes.

>>97870604
How is giving the casual players a good terrain layout that can work with any terrain theme not making the average game better?

>>97870676
>wulfen
No.

>>97870675
Godspeed to you, son of Chogoris. I hope new speeders find your fleet.

>>97870676
you make a very good point that it does give you purely space wolf models. however, its completely worthless because it contains wulfen

>>97870677
Because it incentives them to follow the lead of tournament players in having only preapproved predefined prebalanced games, which while a good thing for the single specific game it's a disastrous mindset on long term.

>>97870173
Everybody mentioning the Iron Heads, but those are some VERY clean Word Bearers. I’d love to paint some legionnaires like that.

>>97870693
And giving them nothing so they make terrible boards and ruin their games achieves... What exactly?

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>>97870676
>5 of them are black
space wolves truly are the most progressive chapter, all their players must be lefties

I was thinking about taking a friend to adepticon. I never been to a con before. how much do tickets, airfare and board usually run? I live in the states

>>97870676
Yes
https://youtu.be/TXaB29asgl8?si=0GMvJw28k-MyJR73&t=2935

>>97870703
>the most progressive chapter
They are the most racially diverse of all the space marine chapters.
>click "get captcha"
>captcha expires in less than a quarter-second
>this happens twice in a row

>>97870721
>>97870703
They're the Whitest chapter of them all, you don't know shit.

>>97870700
Or you could just have a few example layout in the core book with guidelines on how to make a good board like 40k has always did in forever instead of going
>There are 6 mission
>There are 6 Layout
>Mission 1 can only use layout 1 3 and 4
>Using layout 2 5 or 6 in Mission 1 is FORBIDDEN because UNBALANCED and competitive players will cry and shit themselves if they lose because of UNBALANCED TERRAIN

>>97870676
God no, it's not even top 5 Combat Patrols. Not counting the FOMO ones it's
>World Eaters
>Tau
>Custodes
>Dark Angels
>CSM
In no particular order.

>>97870728
>Dark Angels
Are you serious?

>>97870704
it's already over anon
and tickets are free unless you want to enter a painting competition or class or tournament

>>97870728
What are the worst 5 combat patrols?

>>97870676
nu combat patrols are dogshit just wait for 11th’s “super high value” box like leviathan was for 10e and just buy the specialized units you want

>>97870727
>>Using layout 2 5 or 6 in Mission 1 is FORBIDDEN because UNBALANCED and competitive players will cry and shit themselves if they lose because of UNBALANCED TERRAIN
You made this up.

>>97870737
The current orks one is pretty shit, not everyone wants to play da big hunt

>>97870735
i meant for next year. I’m using it as a goal to get /fit/ and play dress up for my favorite toy soldier game

>>97870725
Multiple people have done the math. Not only are they tied with Black Templars for the most ethnically black-populated chapter among space marines at a rate of ~20%, but they're tied with Black Templars for being the second-most ethnically black-populated army in the entire game. Only World Eaters beats them out with a rate of ~22%.
The actual whitest chapters are Blood Angels and Dark Angels, both of whom are 100% white.

>>97870700
>And giving them nothing
The fact that in your mind the only alternatives are either every mission having preapproved terrain placement that tells you that you need an L shaped ruin in these specific places or giving the player absolutely nothing speaks a lot. You can't see the ultra competitive mindset destroying 40k for the same reason a fish can't see the water. You simply don't know anything else.

>>97870750
Anon the article explicitely said you can put whatever terrain you want in each area. You are making things up to get mad at them.

so is true line of sight out in 11th? such a terrible rule

>>97870740
That's literally how it works anon. It's how it works in 10th and it literally spelled out in the article that came out Wednesday that it still works like that in 11th.

>>97870749
its even more crazy being tied with black templars because they recruit all over, and so it makes sense they’ll get a bunch of different ethnicities. fenris must look like new york with how diverse it is.

>tfw mounted, vehicles and monsters dont get benefit of cover in 11th

>>97869769
>TQ
if we count unpainted models, then all of them, if we paint unassembled models then i have none

>>97870766
>While not able to use Terrain Areas to gain cover, they can still perch behind ruins, trees, and rubble to gain the benefit of cover, which will be most of the time when holding an objective, as objectives ARE ruins, trees or rubble.
But they can.

>>97870756
You can also ignore the layouts, nobody is going to force you at gunpoint. But I know and you know and everybody knows that if they give you a "recommended" layout with a "suggested" L shaped ruins specifically 2" from the deployment zone people are going to put an L shaped ruin in that specific place.

>>97870734
As a general Marines starting point, it's not bad? You get
>Gravis Captain
>3 Bladeguard Vets
>5 Hellblasters
>10 Intercessors
and some upgrade sprues but those aren't really that important.

There's no faction-specific units like the Space Wolves or Blood Angels boxes, all the units are pretty alright as a starting core, and the only big complaint I'd have is the Gravis Captain can't lead anything in the box in real 40k. Again, from a starter perspective it's alright, Probably top 10 more realistically but it's not a bad box outright.
>>97870737
I'd say the bottom 5 are
>Guard (the definition of a "This unit isn't selling, stuff it in a discount box" box)
>Orks (Like the other guy said, not everyone likes Beast Snaggas expect this to change with DoW4 I bet
>AdMech (Insanely low points cost for what you get in the box)
>Imperial Agents (Lets be real, does anyone need two units of Exaction Squad for their army?)
>Eldar (Those Dire Avengers are ANCIENT)

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>>97870562
can't go wrong with ol reliable leman russ (especially when you posted a girls und panzer character)
ps jajka best girl

>>97870780
>AdMech
From the outside looking in it seems like these guys exist to get fucked over by both rules and pricing. Which is a shame because they have so many cool vehicles, and skitarii are probably the most effay battleline units in the game.

>>97869769
my pile of shame is from when I was playing index csm and then gay workshit ruined my list with the codex. Past that point I barely play the game and only use space marines, and I only buy models I really want to paint.

>James suggesting to use 40mm bases to mark terrain as objectives
I think it’d be neat if tokens got some proper models for this. Maybe in big combo boxes or something.

>>97870798
They've sold scenic objective markers for years.

>>97870737
space marines easily one of the worst. 2 terminator HQs which can easily be kitbashed, 5 termies and 5 of the most pathetic and boring specialized marine squads that I still have from leviathan and would give away for free if someone asked me for them. for a whopping 12 models at $170. worst by far easily

Night Lords or Red Corsairs

>>97870780
>Imperial Agents (Lets be real, does anyone need two units of Exaction Squad for their army?)
an imperial agents player got 4th place in adepticon and he rocked 3 exaction squads, so it isn’t too crazy. plus imo they’re kino models, so its worth it to just paint.

>>97870817
by the power of my dubs you shall play as night lords

>>97870817
Word Bearers.

>>97870818
amen to that. luv me agents. i dont even care that I dont play them I just have them to paint

>>97870817
third option: emperor’s children.

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>>97870681
What if they were bears instead?

>>97870780
The Gravis Captain has always had a meme build where you load him up with a enhancement like Artificier Armor and you have a very hard to kill dude that solo go do objectives. Don’t know if that applies to the Combat Patrol game mode, but I imagine at such a scale he wouldn’t need the extra bulk.

>>97870817
go for night lords, the basic bitch unit is $65 for 5 of them, and blue is way better to paint and look at than red.

>>97870831
The main problem with the wulfen is that they're a really shitty execution of a concept with really shitty models to boot.

>>97870735
if they’re free how quickly do I have to get a spot?

>>97870635
When the headcanon's retarded, yeah

>>97870758
I hope so that rule is dogshit
>dude every map is labyrinth because we can’t properly balance this game with YGIG turn structure xD

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>>97870817
Night lords

>>97870609
Yikes

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>>97870817
Night Lords

>>97870817
nert lerds

>>97870728
world eaters kind of sucks now.

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>>97869769
>LR edition
Good taste.

>>97870893
Yes people advocating I not buy stuff I want when I see it for cheaper and then later calling me poorfag for not wanting to buy it when GW has increased the prices 15% while releasing a worse upgrade model, causing all secondhand stuff to be scalped as 'oop', is definitely a yikes.

>>97870937
Compared to their 9th edition box sure, but that could be said for pretty much ever faction except Death Guard and Thousand Sons. The only ones that are objectively worse than their previous boxes are the ones where the value was insane, like Dark Eldar, Grey Knights, and Custodes.

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Might pick up that kroot combat patrol now...

>>97870780
>As a general Marines starting point, it's not bad?
Anon literally asked about boxes that sample stuff exclusive to their armies.

>>97870876
The official GW numbers have always been retarded, they have zero sense of scale. Large planetary battles with forces coming from other worlds often have less numbers than real life battles between just 2 countries. Far more retarded.

>>97870817
Something that doesn't have power armour you vanilla fuck

>>97870971
GW does struggle with scale but people really don't understand what battles were actually like historically and how many people were actually involved in them. 40k is usually not very far off as the writers tend to just copy real numbers.

>>97870945
The crew kitbash is delightful

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>>97870986
There is one more crewman.

Night lords more like gay lords amirite

>>97870993
many people are saying this

Night Lords more like gay sex with cute night lord femboys

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>>97871015

>>97871021
>avatar or signature use

>>97871015
many people are saying this

>>97871021
Blow your brains out decalpedo

>>97870652
That post hurt to see.
I have a bit of a pile of shame I need to purge.

>>97871029
>pedo
You're the one defending the femboy poster which is grotesque and unnatural. I think you protest a bit much anon.

>>97871041
gay bear flag on your land raider btw

>>97871041
You're the one who called a femboy tempting pedonigger

I think I've grown to hate the Imperium.

>>97871047
Its a photo shop from some retard you low IQ mongrel
>>97871053
I love it when you make shit up, classic schizo freak shit.

>>97871062
trans flag on your land raider btw

>>97871062
stop lying

>>97871068
Did you not read my last comment? Can you read at all?

>>97871073
pedocoins btw

>>97871077
I see you're just here to lie and spread misery, I'll ignore you.

>>97871081
>t. grima wormtongue

>>97871093
Don't follow my TFT games you total freak!

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>>97871089
>You looked at a picture of femboy guilliman and called it demonically tempting
He clearly drew it as a girl to get people to lust after her and decided to tell people Oops! its got a penis! Obvious faggotry. I don't even remember the other shit.

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>>97871135

BBW Magnus

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>>97871153
I love my big red wife magnus the red

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>>97871125
it isn't though. Models I put off buying for 3 years now cost 20-30% more and there are far fewer Ebay deals, people used to be tryign to sell used models in a hurry so they'd throw shit up for like 60 or 70% off especially if it was broken. Now the used market is fucked and I regret not buying Kommandos for 29 dollars back in 2023 since I can only find them for 50+ now.

Warhammer 40k

SO what's everyones plans for the weekend? We doing any modeling or gaming?

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I have noticed recently no matther whether I'm talking about retro videogames, warhammer, vtubers or comics this is a shockingly common phenotype.

>>97871194
An Italian Hun?

>>97871182
I now realize the hobby isn't just assembling/painting/playing, but buying is very important to it, too. Thank you.

How do you anons feel about the grimdark oil slopwash?

>>97871206
>oil
*enamel

40k seems to be in a wonderful spot where the lore sucks worse than ever before, half the models they reveal are awful, and the tabletop game is borderline unplayable.
Yet it's more popular than ever.
How?

>>97871206
It's aight for models I see posted online with good lighting, supposedly it looks bad irl at tabletop distances.

>>97871213
>t.nomodels

>>97871219
I own four armies.

>>97871220
lemme see them

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I have a strong urge to buy 3 helbrutes and magnetize them

>>97871221
I have no good army pics but here's a pic from earlier this year after I got the metal Seers.
I also have CSM, SM, and Grey Knights.

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>>97871229
Guess it decided to just not attach the picture.

>>97871206
Getting sick of it desu, they take a decent painted model with lovely volumetric highlights and make it shitter with the oil wash, oh and they all love their le magic egg ecks dee to wipe away the excess

>>97871213
>half the models they reveal are awful
yeah, but the other half are nice which is what I buy.

>>97871225
You should probably find a professional to talk to about these self-harm intrusive thoughts.

We need more releases to come out, i for one cant stand seeing all of this red corsairs spam, shit needs to fuck off already

>>97871248
>Your models: ugly derivative trash
>My models: glorious faithful updates

>>97871194
That’s just a fat nerd, I dont mind this phenotype as much as the psychopath eye twinks and numales that constantly throw underhanded shade and try to bait you into saying something “chuddy” so they can ban you from the store or publicly shame you in some way.

>>97871257
this but unironically

>>97871233
Hey ive still got two of those metal warlocks somewhere

>>97871213
There's only a handful of minis put out in the last few years I'd actually consider awful - Coteaz and the Blood Angels "update" mainly - the rest are either great or not to my personal taste.

100 khorne berserkers

>>97871257
…yes. theres huge disparities in model quality nowadays. The new coteaz sculpt is absolute horseshit quality, same with the ministorum killteam. In the midst of this, we got a good update on vespids and stealth suits if you like tau crap, and decent space marine sculpts.

>>97871227
kys annoying retard
>>97871229
Impressive, I'm newish to Warhammer and really like most of the models myself.

>>97871259
do the numales look like the nerds, but simp for the local female warhammer player (TM) who may or may not be the shop owner's gf?

>>97871268
have you considered 2000 points of dreadnoughts?

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>>97871267
The triple tap of bad gold boys a couple years back really left an unpleasant taste.

>>97871268
I wish I had more.
>50 dollars a box
9th ed combat patrol I should have bought you a year ago.

>>97871267
Maybe awful is too much, but the new Kill Team set feels like it's a great example. On one side you have a really neat Ttranid model that's a new rendition of an older significant model.
On the other you have Cadians with ponchos. Not Tallarn, or Tanith, or even something new. Just Cadians, again.
The Armageddom reveals are the same way. We now have two Marine models and three Ork models revealed. The Ork models look fine, nothing amazing but not bad. And the Marines are the most bland pieces of stale bread crust they could possibly have made.
It feels like GW is just genuinely going "Look, it's a new (old) helmet! Isn't it exciting!" and somehow it still generates more buzz than some entire factions got in 10th.

>>97871225
As long as you buy them at a 50% discount

>>97871302
>GW is just genuinely going "Look, it's a new (old) helmet! Isn't it exciting!"
The fact that this is basically the entire marines' side of the launch box is the strongest piece of evidence of the fact that making every edition launch "space marines vs X" is bad for every army, including marines.

>>97871302
The Armageddon box is a weird one for sure because the models look very unexciting to people that already own those units but are probably perfect for someone who's just starting the game and wants a very basic archetypical Space Marine or Ork battle line unit. Like they're not making this stuff for us, the established players. They are courting the Space Marine 2 and greater secondary but hobby-curious audience.

>that one opponent that has 3 of the same unit several times in their list

Cringe

>>97871311
No one is even aware of what you've been referring. We're ignoring and talking shop while you screech into the wind.

>>97871293
It's actually crazy how they put those all out around the same time. I've never seen any of them in person but I'm wondering if the Custodes one is actually that fucked or just a consequence of how it was painted/photographed.

>>97871302
>the Marines are the most bland pieces of stale bread crust they could possibly have made
You have to remember they're being made for the starter box for the new edition. They're made bland on purpose for new hobbyists, and this has been the trend for decades now. Even the third edition starter box of Black Templars vs Dark Eldar is just bland as fuck tacticals you could paint as anything you wanted.

Was the boss nob supposed to be a character? If so it makes me think what ability he will bring to the squad

>>97871313
I think Marine fatigue is hitting hard in a big way because Primaris was already a substantial update over what came before and everyone already bought into "the new thing" they were looking for and aren't really interested in buying again into a "new thing" that's not a substantial update. It's kind of why GW has to always make a new Army rather than updating existing armies to boost sales. People would rather buy a brand new Army with only eight units then an old army that just got a eight new units.

>>97871309
no one on ebay even sells them that low

>>97869769
>Trying to see if there's any recent books about Craftworld Eldar or Dark Eldar that isn't by Mike Brooks
>There's none
>See Apostle as newly published and description reads its a sequel to another book
>Scroll down to find a Night Lords book but description doesn't even say it's a sequel to another book by this author
I don't get the Black Library. Most of this shit is just Horus Heresy crap and I fucking hate it. Seeing books about a niche faction is a dime a dozen, ESPECIALLY if it's new.

>>97871313
I really have to wonder how a starter box without Marines would go over. Guard vs Orks wouldn't be a terrible idea but I can't help but feel there would be outright backlash.
>>97871317
>They are courting the Space Marine 2 and greater secondary but hobby-curious audience.
It certainly seems to be the case, and I'm expecting Space Marine 3 will have Orks be the xenos enemy faction to try and capitalize on it, but the idea another SM just feels boring.
>>97871325
>They're made bland on purpose for new hobbyists, and this has been the trend for decades now.
Yeah but even then you'd want SOME interesting things to really show off. You can make interesting looking Veterans while still keeping them relatively beginner-friendly. Hell at least show off the Jump Chaplain before then since he's expected to be the leader for them.

>>97871339
People on ebay are retarded, they try sell shit for more than retail. Its embarrassing

>>97871320
Nobody is talking to you decalpedo

>>97871313
It's great for the other armies, it's just that they've been doing this for marines (and also giving them the lion's share of new models and updates) for so long that they're genuinely out of shit to give them at this point, outside of literally who chapter characters.

>>97871289
I dunno, I don’t hang around them. Its in the eyes they have a permanent toothy smile and the 3 whites of the eyes expression on by default. Most other nerds look tired, bored, or utterly neutral.

>>97871361
Coming from the ban evading furfag

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>>97871293
compare new venatarii

>>97871361
Stop pretending you belong here

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>>97871293
old venatarii

New venatarii have much more pronounced feathers, GW fucked the Sanguinary Guard out of their wings so they could give them to Custodes.

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>>97871325
>I've never seen any of them in person but I'm wondering if the Custodes one is actually that fucked or just a consequence of how it was painted/photographed.

It wouldn't be the first time. Pic related is ten times better on the table than in photo.

>>97871384
Yeah the garbage is here, it's a rancid furfag who keeps ban evading so he can spam his badly assembled and painted knights
We all already knew that :)

>>97871388
I don't want wings on my SG if they look as bad as the new venatarii ones

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>>97871347
>Look further into this
>The books with just the faction symbol on the cover are short stories
Oh, so the writers eventually got to write their own big book for their short story characters like the Word Bearer one from Sacred Hate to Apostle and Blades of Atrocity to pic related.

>>97871394
>Your terms are acceptable
>T.GW