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>Thread Question: Meta CYOAs: what say you?
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I hope anon wasn't serious about leaking an author's work ahead of time. They pour a lot of their soul into making something special for us, and it would be a disgrace to twist and pervert that implicit trust for the cheap thrill of breaking taboo.
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>>97873405
>Meta CYOAs: what say you?
They're fun to use since they introduce new problems, powers and sometimes companions.
For example, it's funny to imagine oneself in Outer Reincarnation while being fresh out of Otherwise, or to go to Hogwarts with the psionic powers of Mind Overwrite.
At the end of the day, like CYOAs, they're just springboards for your imagination.
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The One Meta
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>>97873439
>The One Meta
Should it be cast into the fires of Existentialism where it was wrought?
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>>97873455
Why shouldn't I keep it?
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>>97873405
So if I pick Goldfish as a base, I can add the Anglerfish to it, and the Viperfish to the second, and end my adventure with SleepyFisherman? Am I encompassing all Metafishes?
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post Goldfish, I don't have it
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>>97873461
>Why shouldn't I keep it?
Because through you it would wield a terrible power to terrible to imagine. You would use the mets from a desire to do good, ASCII Face. But you would use it, and thus a new dark lord would rise . . .
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>>97873481
You missed this one.
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>>97873492
>mets
Stupid typo- ruining my ominous paraphrasing of the Lord of the Rings. :)
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>>97873494
cage-related abilities, PLEASE
>>97873496
I count on good hale & hearty red-blooded anons like yourself to supplement what I have collected. thank you
>>97873499
I thought it added to the charm, actually!
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>>97873489
https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/97776649/#97781156
Can't post it ITT, my upload speed is shit these days.
>>97873494
>cagefighting cyberpunk
Some HUD where you see the opponent's weak spots like in Fallout.
Kevlar skin to be more durable.
Drugs, to be more durable and stronger.
Some legs implant which make you win because your speed is superior.
Rotating hand to make DRILLS
Piston hand to PUMMEL
Heating hand to lightly scorch the adversary, punhes and grabs will add up
Highly dangerous supercharged jailbroken heart that can give up at any moment
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>>97873509
thanks! I appreciate all of you who troll the archives. It is not something I'm drawn to, although I know one can unearth some interesting stuff
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bonus from same thread
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>>97873494
Corrupt crime syndicates we can borrow money from to get extra upgrades. At "reasonable" interest rates, of course.
Groupies and designer drugs to "relax" with.
Merchandising options: t-shirts, action figures, greatest kill compilations. . .that sort of thing.
A spoiled trust fund brat "slumming it" in the MMA tournament, whose rich parents try to bribe us to take a dive.
An option to hire goons to beat up a rival before a big match
Shady talent scouts who claim to be able to help us make it big - for a "small" percentage
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Okay, fuck, new timeline:
>Goldfish, which thanks to the Promise ending leads to-
>Anglerfish, in which you struggle long enough until the arrival of-
>Viperfish, in which you escape but with little of yourself remains which makes you-
>Sleepy as you fished out by the Fisherwoman at the end of the world.
Then we have two timelines.
>Option A - "Here. Now." Instead of the increasingly aggresive fishes, you encounter the Glowfish and have a wonderful life.
>Option B - "The Dream" will eventually leads to the Jellyfish. If you touch it, the cycle begin anew. If you refuse, you're free from the cycle with a newfound aversion for fishes.
There. They should all be included.
I will hunt down the fucker who decides to make another metafish cyoa and force me to redo it.
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>>97873508
>thought it added to the charm, actually!
Not a fan of the Mets? :)
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>>97873551
I still think the Retainers are a wonderfully frustrating part of this cyoa. There are just so many good possibilities, and so few slots!
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>>97873555
Personally, I have a hard time not picking Sheila (the Spy). Not only to get better info and have eyes in the shadows, but . . .well, we did kind of accidentally out her.
Beyond that, I generally want a tech/magic person. But do I want orthodox or experimental? Tech, alchemy, wizardry, or death magic?
(Let's hear it for a plethora of good, tempting candidates!)
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>>97873405
:D I was the thread starter! I have never been so honored! I'm working on one about insurance-adjuster-chan right now.
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Go through the ringer just to end comfy.
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>>97873584
I'm still all about recruiting/rescuing additional characters for the team, as well as going after the Crystal Overlord (I want that magitech!), but I find myself increasingly intrigued by the tunneling monster and the dark spirit quests. With the random outbreaks of isekai tech in this world, is the tunneling monster even a monster? Or some kind of digging machine?
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Make your picks, then go to either Bittersweet Victory or Fusion!
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>>97873613
Bittersweet Victory
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>>97873494
Wacky bullshit martial arts that revolve around the tech installed and can only exist because of the setting, like grappling with grinder arms, rocket-assisted kong-fu, electromagnetic karate, pile driver boxing ect. ect.
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Fusion!
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Aftermath
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>>97873585
Yeah, might as well use the format.
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>Stargazing, Floor is Lava,Find the Difference
>Promise
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>Madness
>Undigestible
>Take Back the Story
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>Enemy, Imposition, Hiding Place
>POWER
>Sword
>Happy Ending
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>Climb Aboard
>Dream
>Here. Now.
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>Simulated World
>Never Decay, Main Character, Always Fun, Superpowers
>Reddit, Franchise, Isekai, Horror, Lewd, RealLife
>Glowfish Doll, Purified Zynthia, Old Barman, The Cube, Loyal Dog
>Doll's Diary, Special Spirit Food, Barman's Bottle, Holy Pendant, Multiversal Map
>>97873519
>Refuse
And there you have it.
In terms of story, I assume that the Anglerfish is reusing the set of Goldfish but with more horror because it's the same entity and you promised.
You're undigestable because you can't accept in your heart that your childhood friend is trying to devour you. Cue the "I know you're in there!" speeches.
Then, when the Viperfish comes and you get back "every companion", this includes the Goldfish itself. You got your friend back!
Then she dies because the Viperfish and the Anglerfish kill each other.
Happy end. The monster is defeated.
Since you didn't have fancy powers, you're left to drift in the abyss until the ferrywoman of Sleepy finds you.
"Here. Now." is a retcon - instead of coming back as the hungry Anglerfish, the Goldfish returns as the gentle Glowfish and it's an happily ever after, Softie style.
Eventually, you encounter the Jellyfish. A last ditch effort at keeping you in this reality. But then you'd eventually refuse and wake up in a world without them, with the only remnant of this ordeal your newfound determination to Choose Your Own Adventure.
I should go to sleep.
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>>97873508
How in the actual fuck does Taboo work? Does it only work once a month? I can only (conditionally) locate eight people a year? Seems kind of weak. Do I sense literally ANYONE who speaks the Taboo? What if it's a really simplistic taboo? Wouldn't that drive you crazy? Constantly getting surveillance?
It's either too weak or dangerously annoying.
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Anyone has that big cyoa about building an interdimensional empire? Grey background, options about frontier worlds, core world, governement and all.
I saw it in the thread this month, but forgot to save it and my archive fu is lacking.
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cyoa for this feel?
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https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97790328/#97795529
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>>97873540
Superior Princess CYOA coming through! https://guca-game.neocities.org/cyoa/ppc/
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I compressed pages 8 and 9 to make it actually postable for the thread while the rest are untouched. Also, I am NOT the author, so if you have questions, either write a comment on the imgchest or ask on QQ.
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>>97873874
Reposting my build from last thread.
>Incarnation
Human
>Starting Era
Jujitsu Kaisen
>Heavenly Restriction
Physically Gifted
>Cursed Technique
None
> Boons
Loose Screw
Unbridled Soul
Tough as Nails
Gut Instinct
True Form
Born to Brawl
Battle IQ
Weapon Master
Helping Hand
Crash Course
Soul Contour
Battle Tempered
High Fever
Abnormal Body (Enhanced Physical Abilities)
>Drawbacks
Blank Slate
Winner Mentality
I don't need fancy magic, I'll pummel anything that gets in my way.
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>>97873950
Based and Terry pilled
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>>97873494
Serious badass martial arts that revolve around the biotech installed and can only exist because of the setting, like grappling with bio-electric EMP arms, reflex-assisted Muay Thai, Ki-enhanced Taekwondo, flashy pyrokinesis Boxing ect.
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>>97873952
We have too many anime franchise CYOAs in general. Weebs must be put aside their childish cartoons and reclaim the west form the infiltrators that seek to destroy it.
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>>97874052
Also, emp's are for computers, they don't do anything to normal wiring, and as of such would be useless against most of the implants you would be thinking of bringing to a boxing ring
(And a hard counter can't work because the fights would be boring and this is spectacle fighting)
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>>97874095
shut it nerd.
rule of cool > not being able to do cool things
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>>97873874
>Incarnation
Hybrid
>Starting Era
Golden Era
>Cursed Technique
Unite
> Boons
Loose Screw
Tough as Nails
Big Brain
Battle Tempered
Crash Course
Abnormal Body
Cursed Forge
Jujutsu Anomaly
Cursed Energy Efficency
Cursed Tool
>Cursed Tool
Orb of Avarice
>Drawbacks
Written On Your Face
Front Row Seat
Worst Bracket
Overkill
I intend to protect Riko and make sure she doesn't fuse with Tengen, interfering after Gojo "dies" so he can awaken, and then stalling against Toji until he can arrive and kill him.
Offer Tengen a deal to, when necessary, fuse to empower the both of us.
Hunt down curses to eat with my technique. Seek talents like Yuta earlier and train them (also try to train less powerful people, like Miwa)
The objective is finding Mahito, wich combined with my cursed energy efficency and Tengen's barrier could be used for CE optimization if needed, and generally has a great technique, so I can help Mechamaru.
Generally spoil parts of the plot I want to Gojo so he can preemptively solve tons of problems.
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>>97873494
I want magical powers so I can destroy gunfags and remake the world into a beautiful, verdant world devoid of techshittery.
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>>97873874
Alternative build:
>Incarnation
Human
>Starting Era
Hidden Inventory
>Cursed Energy
Capacity 3
Output 3
Manipulation 1
>Cursed Technique
Inherited (Construction)
> Boons
Loose Screw
Big Brain
Battle IQ
Battle Tempered
Eccentric (Perfect Memory)
Cursed Puppetry
Cursed Forge
Cursed Energy Quantity
Jujutsu Anomaly
>Drawbacks
Written On Your Face
Overkill
Thin Flesh
Idea is to become the best craftsman to ever live. We know Construction is capable of making cursed tools, and with my overwhelming CE quantity, output and talent in crafting I should hopefully reach the point where I can do it without giving up my life. Another cool thing I can do is make puppets, which can push you to Special Grade on it's own if you know the trick to making Abrupt Mutation Cursed Corpses (and we're told this straight up by the manga).
As for my weaknesses, CE manipulation can just be trained, Thin Flesh can be circumvented with Insect Armor or just letting my Puppets do all the melee fighting for me, and Written On Your Face and Overkill are just inconviences that shouldn't matter once I'm strong enough.
Also there's the standard "Warn Gojo and the rest about Kenjaku and Toji, thus killing the entire plot in the cradle" thing.
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I choose gatto that eats your stupid fish
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>>97874738
Nah, you'd still be in the top 1% even without it. Just the innate techniques themselves are outright bullshit (Constellation Klepto, Unite, Fooler, Zafkiel, etc.), not to mention the CYOA giving you enough CE points to be on the same level as a Special Grade.
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>>97874502
I choose gatto that eats stupid anon
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>Want to work on my OC
>Open it up, get excited daydreaming about how cool it will be when finished
>Look at how much work still needs to be done and get disheartened
>Real life troubles sapping all my attention, focus, and inspiration
>Why write if it's all just going to be garbage that I'll need to redo anyways when my mental stats recover
>Close OC, go waste time on a video game I don't even especially want to play
>Repeat ad infinitum
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Working on something. Which looks better for a little anime girl doll talking to you? Upside of figurine, verisimilitude. Upside of poorly photoshoped anime - more stylized, and can use pictures of the character in a bikini later on.
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>>97875799
focus on the doing parts that you like the most first and don't feel too obliged to keep choices / sections that don't seem to work
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>>97875982
i've poste outside cyoag probably like less than once per year on average
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>>97876076
I already did most of the fun parts T_T What I need to do now is pages upon pages worth of character writing and dialogue, and I already did a lot of the fun stuff/writing for my favorite characters too. I need to work on characters I like slightly less and the willpower is just not there
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>>97876171
Do you have your posting licence?
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>>97876180
No. They tried to make me get one. Wait out the rangeban, or identify yourself by email, like a redditor. But I didn't. I waited out my month-long inexplicable rangeban. I never surrendered my principles. I'm free.
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>>97873874
>Human
>era
Hidden inventory
>cursed energy
Capacity 2, Output 2, Manipulation 3
>technique
stonenge
>boons
loose screw, battle IQ, born to brawl, tough as nails, battle tempered, eccentric, reverse cursed technique, anti-domain techniques, binding vows.
I was considering the technique were by killing someone you steal their power, but for some reason today I didn't feel like killing in this way, so instead I'm using giant stones to smash people and bombard them with ultra lasers.
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>Does anybody remember that one cyoa where you gotta pick between the psychic neco-arc looking ass princess and the history nerd who mimics ghetto speak? There's also a murderous monkey.
Yes. I don't have it handy, but the premise was that (you) were in cryo, and have just been reanimated. As something of a novelty, various important ladies are interested in having (you) as a trophy husband. The final option, though, was a monkey who'd murdered.an heiress, and offered (you) hush money.
Art was relatively simplistic - possibly hand drawn or done with MS Paint.
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>>97873866
You should kill yourself for liking this garbage.
>>97873874
Why is this JJK CYOA posted so much here? It's the worst among all the JJK CYOAs.
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>>97876550
Yees, this one. It's pretty nice, honestly. I like the art and the general idea. Though, I can't help but get the feeling that there isn't much stopping Sibylette from sending crazy ass psychic assassins after Elisophanna.
Also, uberpsycher children...that sounds pretty cool.
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Same, I can't keep up with multiple threads/generals.
>>97875899
I love chifuyu so much.....
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>>97875982
>It has fallen so far it beggars belief.
I'd apply that statement to /pol/ and /x/, but not /tg/
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Imagine if there was a mandatory weekly nationwide lottery where winning meant the government transferred billions of dollars of their debt to you, confiscated all of your property, and forced you to work towards repaying your debts in a prison work camp for the rest of your life. What would your reaction be to seeing on the news that you received the winning ticket and SWAT was inbound to your home? Apple turnovers for additional context.
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>>97876728
I've had a very deep interest in ttrpgs yet I've never played one. I'm convinced I wouldn't enjoy the experience. I've read manuals though, for Runequest, Shadowrun, 13th age etc.
Neverwinter Nights (1) was the gateway drug for me. I know Baldur's Gate (1) was for many others of similar disposition.
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>>97876719
Sinara = best girl.
>>97876728
I really like the worldbuilding aspect, like when once in a while someone creates a worldbuilding thread. i just can't keep up.
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>>97876769
I vaguely considered jumping on the Baldur's Gate hype train, but luckily I'm not very susceptible to hype and people saying "it's like D&D" was a slight anti-advertisement for me and turned me away from buying it. I've never interacted with any of the tabletop stuff
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>>97876749
Suicide...?
But honestly, the idea of a government arbitrarily being able to transfer debt to someone else on a whim like this, to someone who could never even come close to paying it off, is kind of silly. If the world worked like that, let's just transfer the U.S national debt to a death row inmate on the date of their execution. After someone dies and their assets are liquidated, debt becomes null. Poof, no more national debt!
Things just...don't work like that.
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We don't have the SWAT here.
There aren't even numbers in the street corners - only reason we get letters is because postman know "X lives on this road, past the three palmtree, after the house with the blue house".
I'd like to see the state find me before I escape.
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>>97873481
The Beast of Disney
>innocence
>short
>cartoonish
>shadow
>animalistic (mouse ears)
>animalistic? (Mouse)
>hollow
>Infrared
>oversized I guess
>meat eater (hidden behind lips)
>body heat
Cryogenically frozen? Nah, what happened to ol Walt was much worse
>not of this world
>daggers (hidden beneath gloves)
>human (hidden in shoes)
>enhanced durability, enhanced flexibility
>tail
>inconvenient
>regeneration, outer limits, ritual
>religious symbols
>cult of me
>Alice, long finger
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Just sending the SWAT team alone would cost them more money they'd ever get from me lol
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>>97877468
It doesn't take much to be better than BTG. Tim's fetish isn't suffering, it's body swapping/possession. It just so happen that the situation itself is seen as a bad one in most of his cyoas but he doesn't aim to make the player suffer, in fact you usually get a pretty good deal out of it once you get past the main problem. Also unlike BTG who stopped making good cyoas, Tim sometimes makes cyoas without his main fetish and those are pretty good too, like Vidya Valhallala and the one where you are given 7 girls to reject or not.
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Also, unlike BTG who never allows you to dodge the fetish or makes it as painful and complicated as possible out of spite, Tim often puts in some kind of option that minimizes the exposure to the fetish and allows you to treat the cyoa like a mostly normal one. Like the unused protagonist body in the body for a goddess cyoa which you can make essentially a copy of yours, and doll option in the one where you are an object possessing magical girls that promises you will get your body back in time.
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The retainer part is kinda dumb. Why would teacher or animal breeder be part of your daily life or need a fancy title? Why you can't just pay Zoey to educate you in your spare time like SHE DID ONCE ALREADY? Dela makes dresses, why I need to give her a title? Can't I just order them like a normal royal?
Then you have Reginald who wants title so pays you - except you can only take 2 retainers because you can't pay for more, but Reginald pays for himself and doesn't stick around so why not toss title his way and still hire 2 more retainers? Or even 3 using funds he gave you?
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>Princess
>Rose-Tinted Room
>My Room
>Teresa
>Vinian Toast
>Crystal Ring
>Entropic Gel
>Figure Cake
>Forbidden Love: Chieftess Sunburst
>Dela [Seamstress]
>Peri [Peacock Harpy]
>Combat
>Defense
>Crystal Mastery (Bonus from Shadow)
>Enchanting
>Spatial Magic (emphasis on resizing)
>Shadow
>Help Test New Magic
>Hunt a Giant Monster
>Free a Friend
So with Rose-Tinted Room and Figure Cake, combined with all of Teresa's combat training, I plan to go for the sexy warrior archetype. Taking the Crystal Ring and Crystal Mastery to really boost my crystal interactions. I don't have any baseline crystal weapons... but I'm sure I can requisition something basic and enchant it myself. I only have Spatial Magic at my disposal, so that'll be my enchanting focus - make things like my own crystal dagger. Crystals that spread out in fields of spikes or rise up as defensive walls.
On the social end, between the Entropic Gel, courting Chieftess Sunburst, and my arachne and harpy retainers, we're an entourage of monster-folk. I'd like to enchant an accessory for Sunburst to keep her from involuntarily growing in the sunlight. That way she won't be so restricted to either indoors or hanging out in her dreary swamp homeland. And I'm sure she'd love to hear tales of Earth-technology.
I picked Shadow as my job to hang out with Teresa more. Getting more combat training is also a plus. To help out Teresa, I also want to rescue her friend from Hadew. And with the imposing figure of Sunburst by my side, I'm sure we can get Milennia home free. I'm choosing to Help Test New Magic mostly because I'm curious if I'll get any sexy transformations. I've already got the Figure Cake and Rose-tinted room, but a chaos element that might do the same stuff sounds fun. And hunting the giant monster is so I can try to go all-out with my combat and enchantments and size magic. See if I can look the giant monster eye-to-eye and go toe-to-toe.
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>The retainer part is kinda dumb. Why would teacher or animal breeder be part of your daily life or need a fancy title? Why you can't just pay Zoey to educate you in your spare time like SHE DID ONCE ALREADY? Dela makes dresses, why I need to give her a title? Can't I just order them like a normal royal?
>Then you have Reginald who wants title so pays you - except you can only take 2 retainers because you can't pay for more, but Reginald pays for himself and doesn't stick around so why not toss title his way and still hire 2 more retainers? Or even 3 using funds he gave you?
If it helps, think of the Retainers as your personal entourage, and a form of patronage. The two people you pick will never want for funds. No grant applications, no loans, no going hungry (or skipping medical treatment) just to have the funds for their next project . . . And they will work on the long term projects you want them to focus on, whether that's building an alchemy school, making you the best dressed person in the capital, or assassinating people you don't like.
Plus, this is a quasi-feudal society, and thus title matters (a lot). Being an "official" retainer to the royal family will open all kinds of doors that money or talent won't budge. Better connections, first dibs on rare samples and ingredients, independence from their guild, fan clubs . . .
So while you can hire the ones you don't pick - like Teresa did to isekai you - it won't be the same. Not the same loyalty, not the same government support, not the same social rank. Being hired by a royal looks good on the resume, but there's a reason Reginald is willing to bribe you for a Retainer position.
(And do you really want to trust a freelance assassin to do your dirty work?)
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>we're an entourage of monster-folk.
Nice monstergirl build. Which of the two endings did you go for?
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>the Caribbean Islands.
That makes sense. The last time I was there, the shuttle driver was making small talk, and mentioned that one guy owned all the gas stations on the island, and rather than bother with price signs, he'd just post what he was charging for gas in the newspaper.
And I was impressed by how close some of the islands were to each other. In many places, a person wouldn't even need navigational equipment to leave the island - you could see the neighboring ones with the naked eye.
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If the author of Cosmos Companions is still around, I'd like to say that you did a good job. Many of the servants/vassals are quite interesting and likable.
I would like to see it expanded on, though. The tidbits of setting info are enough to get me interested, but not enough to make a non-fetish build. A caste based civilization that's apparently in the middle of a very bloody war with a magic using civilization . . .
That's intriguing, but not really enough to set up a military unit, staff out an R&D team, recruit a flight team . . .might be enough for a mining group, but only on Earth.
Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that I think it's a very promising one pager, and I'd be all for you fleshing it out into a two or three pager.
Good luck with your next project!
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>>97879119
>Let Me Instead
>Crystal Queen
>Gemburst
>Exponentiate
>Purify
>Entropic Bloom
>Crystalarium
>Papa
>Monstrous Body
>Crystalvore
>Support the Slimefolk
>Help Yourself
>Welcome a Witch
I'll take the power for myself, because I want in on the fun stuff, and I also don't want Teresa to have to deal with any of the downsides. Similarly, I chose Monstrous Body and Crystalvore since those wouldn't get in her way too much when she's near. So now I can control other crystals, conjure mass amounts of them, purify things - particularly useful against a possessed enemy king - and I'm a gigantic slimegirl. Given my propensity for size-magic, I can probably reduce in size now and then, or hang out with Chieftess Sunburst while she's in sunlight to have a same-size companion. Teresa seems excited for big-size hugs, so I'm happy to oblige there, too. I also want to find a massive empty place to use all my growth-magic and enchantments I can on myself just to see what heights I can reach, even if only temporarily. If I need a place that can easily hold me, there's the Crystalarium. And I'm sure I can use size-magic on food to deal with eating... if I still need to eat regular food. Monstrous Body shouldn't be too big of a deal since I'm already slime. Just a little more decorated and eldritch is all.
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I'm fetching the king's gauntlets since I'd love to see him go all-out at max power. As for end-quests, Support the Slimefolk means I'll have a friend of similar physiology, and Sunburst will have a buddy that also wants to learn about Eclean culture and technology. There's many quests I'd like to help with, since I'm specially geared for them. The Purity skill should help anyone possessed by a shade or crystal. I'd love to go full-on kaiju battle against the dragon. Heck, if my growth-magic works well on me stacking with Exponentiate, I could outgrow and bully the puny castle-sized thing. Maybe I can squeeze that one in if I happen to be in the right place at the right time. But I settle on Welcome a Witch since my skill in size-magic enchanting should help her out getting items reduced to her size or perhaps temporarily growing her. That said, given that I'm gigantic and she's smol, interacting with her might be a bit hard... And I'm of course picking Help Yourself to help the possessed-Teresa timeline by trying to unpossess Teresa.
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Thank you! I opted for the becoming-a-crystal-conduit ending. 2c.
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>Lesser Demiurge
>Grim
>World of Horror
>Draconic Conquistador
Only a moderate clusterfuck.
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>>97874328
Too bad we have tech and thats how anyone hears your takes online is cause of sed technology so stop bitching or if you want go out and live in the woods and see if the squirrels care about your takes
Also yaknow, plumbing, medicine, games, certain cuisines especially the fusion ones made through world trade, etc etc, theres all kinds of things you probably enjoy or benefit from that involves technology, dont like it, go live in the woods and see how long you last
think magic would allow for these things as well, maybe, but that magic would practically be a technology of its own if it could for alot of them, plumbing is always tech, medicine is only not tech and science when its like shitty game logic stuff ignoring rare spiritual stuff, games maybe you could pull off but video games especially no you cant, etc
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>>97874335
it can be cooler with mystic powers and whatnot but i think tech based martial arts can also be cool, what would be best is a fusion of the two me thinks, tech powered by mystic arts and viceverse and all used in amazing martial arts techniques
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>>97880336
this may surprise you, but quantiy and quality are two different things
if you race ahead to the same tier you need to compete for resources against someone who took twice as long as you to get there but is twice as strong at the same tier you're just going to fold like a retarded paper wall
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Okay, and if you don't speed ahead you are now competing for resources against someone who has all the same power you do but a massive head start. Time is money.
Also why are we even assuming Vermillion is lacking in power in the first place? Nothing in the option states or implies that. It's the 'extreme power at extreme risk' option, not the 'extreme speed just to be weaker overall' option.
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>>97880371
no, if you focus on power you have more power compared to your stage peers than if you focused on something else
time is irrelevant as long as you're on track for immortality
>Also why are we even assuming Vermillion is lacking in power in the first place? Nothing in the option states or implies that. It's the 'extreme power at extreme risk' option, not the 'extreme speed just to be weaker overall' option.
because speed and ease of advancement is its core focus, while other methods have utility in different areas, which fits the form of the discussion
the only way this doesn't make sense is if you bring in the assumption that methods aren't supposed to be balanced and your favorite method is just objectively better than the others in all possible contexts, which is a pointless argument to make imo
i think your rough point of view is similar to a guy who was arguing more directly that power compared to your stage peers and power gained by advancing faster are the same, but that's just ignoring that you generally don't compete against people above you in tier for resources, you compete against your stage peers because those are the people who need the same stuff you do to advance, while people above you in stage are competing for different and scarcer resources
therefore racing through stages faster is worse than being slower but stronger in the same stage
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>>97879778
Best to be a big fish in a small pond instead of rushing and fleeing earth abandoning your home never to return reach peak level of cultivation available in the world, reapir the world and fortify it against any invaders. Rulling as an immortal god king.
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>>97880477
>waisting your cultivation time repairing the world and fortifying it against any invaders. Rulling as an immortal god king waiting to be devoured by a random adult dragon passing by.
Great plan, anon.
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>>97880818
Are you truly immortal if you cease to be you?
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>>97880837
nah, it's mostly just the same nostalgia shit you already start feeling when you're 20 looking back at your childhood and the people you were close to dying around you
you just can't ever go back home because home is in the past when you were a dumb little kid who just assumed nothing important to you personally would ever change, and the your grandparents die, then your parents die, some of your friends die, and in general things just change change change but you're still the same and you want to go back home but you can't
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>>97880894
Every time you become stronger, every time you take another step on the path of cultivation, you slowly turn yourself into someone different from the you in your nostalgia. Every step of the journey brings you further from home
The only solution is immortal, perfect status quo comfy
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>with awakening update finally releases
>post is immediately locked over "allegations"
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>pick objectively evil faction
>one of the rituals is objectively evil
???? The description isn't even explicit. She also took the patrons off imagechest. God i hate redditors its not like she's promoting pedophilia or whatever.
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The only thing taken out are the 3 patrons images I didnt save them as I was hoping someone would eventually merge the pages to the max size on 4chan since all the WA shit is cut up shittily to fit imagechest.
The TLDR of them is
ORDER: good guys, let people have shit like detecting lies, creation abilities, etc. In exchange for being a hero and pillar of civilization - linked to the martyr relics and saint class which is ideal for enemies of evil/healers
Nuetral: kind of a door whatever you want patron. Cant really exploit people or be evil but you dont gave the good guys responsibilities. Idr what it gave. Connected to merlin set which is actually super sick. True nuetral wannabe merlin wizard build seemed crazy good/fun
Chaos: objectively evil. All their tiers involved you never forgiving others, being a good characters personal op. And being a BBEG. Rewarded with manipulation powers, top reward was True devilhood and your own personal plane in hell. Screen shot above was a tier 2 ritual where you can use tormented children as mana batteries then eat them for permanent increases. Linked to the sin set and prestige class which is the best for pure combat and has the strongest optional companion
Warlocks benefit more from patrons than the other classes. Wizards and players do as well since they count for all class bonuses. All this update really cements to me is wizard/warlock suprmacy.
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>>97880385
> time is irrelevant as long as you're on track for immortality
Time is very relevent, because the universe isn't going to just sit back and wait for you to get strong. If you take too long all the people who get to that stage before you are just going to take all the resources first. And of course there's the issue of 'what happens if there's something you actually need to do this century'.
> because speed and ease of advancement is its core focus, while other methods have utility in different areas, which fits the form of the discussion
The trade off for Vermillion is explicitly that you have to fight people to reach that power. That's the point, it's more risk for more reward. The method itself notes that it isn't lacking in utility at all.
> the only way this doesn't make sense is if you bring in the assumption that methods aren't supposed to be balanced
...If the methods are meant to be balanced, then by literal defintion Vermillion cannot be 'mid'.
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See above: Take too long, resources go poof.
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>Time is very relevent, because the universe isn't going to just sit back and wait for you to get strong.
yes it is, there's no rushed timeline in the cyoa
>If you take too long all the people who get to that stage before you are just going to take all the resources first.
this is a made up problem, nobody on earth is going to match your speed, and even if you did you could just go find resources somewhere else
>And of course there's the issue of 'what happens if there's something you actually need to do this century'.
another made up problem, you just go out and do it
rushing costs you a lot but gains you very little other than making you a sloppy and weak cultivator
>The trade off for Vermillion is explicitly that you have to fight people to reach that power. That's the point, it's more risk for more reward. The method itself notes that it isn't lacking in utility at all.
no, risking is just the method itself, the rewards are the problem, they're misplaced into forming a crutch
>...If the methods are meant to be balanced, then by literal defintion Vermillion cannot be 'mid'.
no, by that logic they all need to be mid, dummy
the point however is that they have different strengths, and vermillion's strengths are the sort it's best to avoid because you have less personally costly ways of achieving cultivation speed and ease than sacrificing your method for it, pick a method that makes you strong and matches your approach better while speeding yourself up with a less central facet of your build
>Take too long, resources go poof.
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>>97881659
And?
We have CYOAs about rape, torture, murder and more, and I'm sure the fuckers are lurking in the NSFW subreddit too, but THIS is where they draw the line? Because Satan isn't wholesome??? They have the fucking Hespatians and Outsiders in the CYOA, what are they on about?
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>>97881694
No, no, to leftist redditors Satan IS wholesome, everything in the evil path is something they deeply want in their subconscious, control over others, 0 repercussions or consequeces from their actions and God killing delusions of grandeur, they have the same issue as jews, as soon as their depraved interests and true thoughts are mentioned they immediately have a kneejerk "shut it down" response to protect themselves.
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>>97881715
>0 repercussions or consequeces from their actions and God killing delusions of grandeur
Well said. It is good that I sit here among friends anons, who would never think to kill gods in cyoa settings, and who humbly accept their place in the great chain of being.
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>>97881575
Same thing that happened to video games. Graphical/feature creep pushed the entry tier authors out of the market and you just ended up with a small and shrinking pool of established authors.
Couple that with a toxic community and its pretty obvious why things are how they are.
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>this is a made up problem, nobody on earth is going to match your speed, and even if you did you could just go find resources somewhere else
Then logically the Vermillion guy obviously does not have to compete with anyone for resources either, so your entire point is moot.
>another made up problem, you just go out and do it
As in, something that you actually need to be powerful to do.
>no, risking is just the method itself, the rewards are the problem, they're misplaced into forming a crutch
Nope, reread the option.
>no, by that logic they all need to be mid, dummy
No, If everything is mid nothing is mid. There's no middle if everything is at the same power level.
> the point however is that they have different strengths, and vermillion's strengths are the sort it's best to avoid
I have no idea how two different people managed to see 'all methods are equal' and somehow turn it into 'Vermillion is weaker'. Is this kind of autism contagious or something?
>furthermore, the blessing and inheritance section is full of several entirely different ways to speed yourself up, while the methods section offers many things that you can't achieve anywhere else..
Okay, and the Inheritances also give you things you can't reasonably get anywhere else. Blessings don't but they're cheap as hell and way weaker.
Also I don't know why you think spending an Inheritance is somehow less costly than spending a method? Hell HCF GIVES you an extra method and more, that's how you know Inheritances are more important.
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>>97881739
Yes. Back in the day 4chin was filled with piety and wonder at the natural order of things. In Divine Trials too, anons would proudly declare: "I will not even compete. You are the local god, and the victory belongs to you by right."
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>>97881753
>Then logically the Vermillion guy obviously does not have to compete with anyone for resources either, so your entire point is moot.
of course he still does, if he goes elsewhere he's still a jobber who can't easily compete there, it doesn't matter where he goes when the problem is him and his lacking strength
>As in, something that you actually need to be powerful to do.
that's not how any xianxia or fantasy adventure universe ever has worked and you know it, you don't start doing things when you're level 20 in dnd, likewise you don't start doing things in xianxia only once you've achieved some arbirtary tier, you're doing things all along
>Nope, reread the option.
i have, turns out i'm right and you're wrong
>No, If everything is mid nothing is mid. There's no middle if everything is at the same power level.
>I have no idea how two different people managed to see 'all methods are equal' and somehow turn it into 'Vermillion is weaker'. Is this kind of autism contagious or something?
no, you're just stupid and refuse to see the method in the context of the entire cyoa, there's a difference between how much self-contained power each method has and how strong it is in the context of the cyoa where the advantages of vermillion in particular are far less valuable than those of any other cyoas exactly because you have so many ways to reproduce them
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the only build where vermillion is stronger than average is the one where you take close to zero drawbacks and are going incredibly lean, with only two methods and only one inheritance and so on, but why would you do that in the second version of the cyoa where the drawbacks are forgiving?
>Okay, and the Inheritances also give you things you can't reasonably get anywhere else.
you're getting off track, the point is that strength relative to your peers is the most important thing, and by racing ahead instead of taking all available strength with each tier you are reducing your strength relative to your peers
>Also I don't know why you think spending an Inheritance is somehow less costly than spending a method? Hell HCF GIVES you an extra method and more, that's how you know Inheritances are more important.
no, methods are more important, methods are a central pillar of your entire cultivation, they will change you over time with their practices and insights and so on, while an inheritance is just something you have on the side
the only way methods aren't the most important thing is if you forget this is about cultivation
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I feel like all graphical/feature creep did was make "AAA" games bloated and uninspired; indie games still stayed fun for a while
The real nail in the coffin for games is that there's just too many people making them now, so even if you make a really good one, it's unreasonably hard to get noticed in the crowd. There's just too much slop to sort through to find the gems
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>I feel like all graphical/feature creep did was make "AAA" games bloated and uninspired
It also made them really expensive to make and resource-intensive to run, which eats into what you can do mechanically and pushes creators to try and get mass market appeal lest they fail to make a profit (its also an issue for movies nowadays).
And that also basically happened to cyoa. The "comfortable success" margin is gone. You dont get those "AA" cyoa any more (except for maybe tok, but he tries to make AAA hes just bad at it), its either shitposts or "big releases" (or attempts at them). Theres no money involved, but theres still that inevitable calculation of "attention" to "effort and time"
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>>97881879
Except CYOAs are a passion project and the reasonable creator doesn't give a shit about volume of attention. You aren't being paid. It doesn't matter that you only got 10 builds while some other CYOA got 100.
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>>97881831
> of course he still does, if he goes elsewhere he's still a jobber who can't easily compete there, it doesn't matter where he goes when the problem is him and his lacking strength
Make up your damn mind, do you have to compete for resources or not? If yes, then taking forever to get there means all the good ones will be taken forever. If not then mr Vermillion has no need to compete with others. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
> that's not how any xianxia or fantasy adventure universe ever has worked and you know it,
That's not an argument and you know it.
>i have, turns out i'm right and you're wrong
Read it again, slowly this time. I know reading is hard for you but you'll get there.
>no, you're just stupid and refuse to see the method in the context of the entire cyoa,
Yes, of course, clearly when Rake said that all methods were equal he actually meant something entirely different, that totally isn't retarded at all.
>you're getting off track
No this is very much on track. You said that you don't need to take a method that increases growth speed because methods are valuable and you can just get an inheritance or blessing that does it. I am pointing out that Inheritances are even more valuable than Methods and Blessings are way weaker at doing this.
> no, methods are more important, methods are a central pillar of your entire cultivation, they will change you over time with their practices and insights and so on, while an inheritance is just something you have on the side
Again, Inheritances can literally just give you Methods. That's the point, they're the OP cheat abilities that push you to the very top (they are even literally called Cheats). Not to mention the fact that you'll eventually outgrow every Method here, while Inheritances will be useful your whole life.
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>>97881876
Sometimes, but it's a huge gamble. That kind of breakout popularity for an indie game is like winning the lottery. Sometimes I'll have a blast playing a unique, fun game in my Steam library, and I'll see that it doesn't even have 1,000 reviews - there's at least one that doesn't even have 100.
Spending years of your life on a game, pouring your heart and soul into it, having it actually turn out to be an objectively really good game, and then still only getting like 500 Steam reviews and maybe a few thousand players total - just because you didn't get lucky enough to be picked up by a hype wave - would be heartbreaking. You'd be making poverty wages for years of work.
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>>97881917
>If yes, then taking forever to get there means all the good ones will be taken forever.
no it fucking doesn't, earth is a fucking resource desert in the first place, and the idea that resources aren't renewable or even growing is also your headcanon and not something that the cyoa tells you in any way
>That's not an argument and you know it.
yes it is???
>Yes, of course, clearly when Rake said that all methods were equal he actually meant something entirely different, that totally isn't retarded at all.
and you call me incapable of reading, just because they're equally strong doesn't meant they're literally the same in all ways you fucking moron
>No this is very much on track. You said that you don't need to take a method that increases growth speed because methods are valuable and you can just get an inheritance or blessing that does it. I am pointing out that Inheritances are even more valuable than Methods and Blessings are way weaker at doing this.
it's not really about "value" as such, selecting the correct method for your intended approach is more important than selecting any specific inheritance, so you're more constrained in method selection and need to take it more seriously
>Again, Inheritances can literally just give you Methods.
this is not an argument and you know it
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>>97881896
>Except CYOAs are a passion project
How many people want to put their heart and soul into a work only for it to be ignored? Why would they even post them at all if they didnt care about others seeing their work? Yea, cyoa are free but there is still absolutely an "economy" of sorts where authors post their work in return for attention, engagement and builds
Authors (at large) absolutely care about getting their cyoa noticed and played (to some extent). As with all art (if you want to call it that) there is an inevitable level of "artistic ego" in there which desires recognition for what they do, treating that as validation of the effort put into it.
And thats the problem, like all currencies attention is a finite thing, there are only so many posters and posts and whatever other cyoa competing for it all.
Back in the day, when cyoa were shorter and easier to make you would have an author make it over a couple of days/weeks and then post it, they get say half a dozen builds or whatever and thats fine. What happens when that cyoa takes much more time and effort but ultimately still just gets a couple of builds? The "AA" market for cyoa, just like for games, has dried up, you either try and go for the AAA thread devourer or you make a shitpost one pager with few in betweens.
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>>97881896
>It doesn't matter that you only got 10 builds while some other CYOA got 100.
I don't know about other authors, but personally I really don't give a shit about any builds being made in specific. But discussion of the CYOA does matter overall, even if it's not the main priority. I agree with the passion project position.
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>>97881948
>How many people want to put their heart and soul into a work only for it to be ignored?
A lot. We generally aren't high school girls pining for popularity. You're pretending a secondary or tertiary issue is the primary issue.
>>97881956
I know, that guy is arguing from some weird ass american faux-capitalist standpoint where all that matters is the hustle. Bitch, we're doing this for fun, shut the fuck up. If we cared about returns on time investments we'd just get a job instead.
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>>97881946
Day trading...is not an effective and stable way of regularly turning a profit...
And anyways, regardless of someone's feelings about capitalism, they still need to eat. More money lets you enjoy life more, experience more freedom, and create more art.
And I think it's pretty human to want your art to be popular and experienced by many others, even if your most important audience is yourself.
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>>97881896
I wouldn't make cyoas if they just got ignored. Seeing people engaging with them and doing creative things in their builds that you didn't expect is the best part IMO.
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>>97881977
>they still need to eat. More money lets you enjoy life more
https://thestorytellers.com/the-businessman-and-the-fisherman/
>I think it's pretty human to want your art to be popular and experienced by many others
Sure, but again, that's at best a secondary issue. The few authors for whom it's the primary issue are actually pretty damn shit at creating CYOAs. You can always tell from the desperate pandering and attention whoring.
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>>97881965
>A lot
Lol. I dont know if this is delusion or just "a bit" but no, "the pure auteur" who creates for nothing but the furtherance of the craft is really fucking rare. People want to get something out of their artistic or creative endeavours, whether thats recognition or money or simply engagement.
The person who creates with no need or care for outside recognition does not need to publish their work.
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>>97881941
>no it fucking doesn't, earth is a fucking resource desert in the first place,
Then again, Mr Vermillion does not need to compete with others. Hell why would they even need to compete for resources when the only thing the method needs is random stuff to kill?
>the idea that resources aren't renewable or even growing is also your headcanon and not something that the cyoa tells you in any way
Pot, meet kettle.
> yes it is???
No, 'but it doesn't work that way in other stories' is completely irrelevant to this one. If you have to rely upon plot armor to make a point your point is shit.
> equally strong
Emphasis mine.
>it's not really about "value" as such, selecting the correct method for your intended approach is more important than selecting any specific inheritance, so you're more constrained in method selection and need to take it more seriously
Again, Inheritances are forever, Methods are temporary. You can pick a Method and change to another path later, the same cannot be said for Inheritances.
>this is not an argument and you know it
It agressively is. You cannot argue Methods are somehow more important than Inheritances when Inheritances can do everything Methods can do and more.
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>>97882009
>"the pure auteur" who creates for nothing but the furtherance of the craft is really fucking rare.
You might be right in some other contexts, but not here. The entire reason CYOAs became so popular is because making them is easier and faster than almost any other medium for creativity. CYOA creation takes just a few days, so it welcomes the amateur hobbyist like nothing else.
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>>97881991
The fisherman's ideology is nice, but it's a lot easier to create art when you can at least have the security of a roof over your head and enough food to eat
Chasing bigger nets and better fishing poles is unwise, but it's prudent to at least try to reach a security level where you don't need to worry about food and you've claimed a nice little home and plot of land where nosy businessmen won't bother you anymore
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>>97882023
>Then again, Mr Vermillion does not need to compete with others
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of course it fucking does? there are always peers around to compete with, they keep being born and cultivating all the time
>Hell why would they even need to compete for resources when the only thing the method needs is random stuff to kill?
it needs random stuff to kill as the unique aspect of how you cultivate with it, it still also needs the regular resources and insights that every method does
>No, 'but it doesn't work that way in other stories' is completely irrelevant to this one.
it would only be irrelevant if it were actually mentioned in the cyoa, since it's not we can safely assume that it's going by genre tropes and your headcanon where you try to go against that completely is nonsense
>Emphasis mine.
equal strength tells you nothing about how much strength you're wasting and how much is actually useful to you
>Inheritances are forever, Methods are temporary.
incorrect, you can find inheritances out there, while the foundations you build with your insights are the only really permanent thing you have
>It agressively is. You cannot argue Methods are somehow more important than Inheritances when Inheritances can do everything Methods can do and more.
oh good, seeing how inheritances can't compare to methods at all since you can't fucking cultivate with them and they aren't the primary soruce of your active combat techniques either, i'm in the clear
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>>97882056
>The fisherman's ideology is nice, but it's a lot easier to create art when you can at least have the security of a roof over your head and enough food to eat
You fucking cockgobbling retard. Nobody here is starving, if they were they wouldn't be wasting their time here. Nobody here will stop starving by making a CYOA either. Literally every CYOA creator is the fisherman, and the fisherman already has a comfortalbe life.
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>hours later they still continue to rant about it
triggering autists is too easy
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>>97882090
>i like to mention things people are likely to talk about, and then they do! i am so devilish
This is the role you're taking in the thread
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>>97882032
>CYOA creation takes just a few days, so it welcomes the amateur hobbyist like nothing else.
This was true, but is now not, which is my whole point.
It was very friendly for people entering the hobby, but "graphics creep" has changed that.
This also doesent change what I am saying about "returns". Yes, obviously authors dont and didnt get paid, but the recognition, the attention, the discussion? That was always there and part of the exchange. Its like being a DM, you spend the time and effort to make a world and in return people engage with the thing you made.
But as cyoa become less and less easy to make and take more and more time? The "returns" become less and less worth it for the average author which is why you have less and less people making actual intro level cyoa (as opposed to gift of faves tier crap).
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>>97882114
Graphics creep can't work because it doesn't have a mechanism to affect anyone apart from maybe a mentally ill minority. You're just imagining this out of nothing. One-pagers are still made. They still get the same amount of builds as they used to, which is to say not that many. But that's how it always was.
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>>97882111
nah you're just mad because you got bamboozled again
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>>97882129
>Graphics creep can't work
And yet it does and did, its fucking observable. For the same reason it worked in movies or video games.
>apart from maybe a mentally ill minority
Yes, the people who make cyoa.
What was the last ugly "proper" cyoa (not counting people who try and make pretty stuff but fail like tok)? That frozen world one? Entropist?
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>>97882068
>of course it fucking does? there are always peers around to compete with, they keep being born and cultivating all the time
Why on earth would you even need to compete with them if not for resources, and why on earth do you believe Mrs notvermillion is somehow exempt from this competition?
> it needs random stuff to kill as the unique aspect of how you cultivate with it, it still also needs the regular resources and insights that every method does
No, it's very explicitly skipping that kind of stuff in exchange for pure murder. You can even skip entire stages just through murder rituals.
> we can safely assume that it's going by genre tropes
No the absolute fuck we cannot lmao. Also if we are going by genre tropes then Vermillion would STILL have to make you stronger because that's the literal entire point of this kind of method.
> equal strength tells you nothing about how much strength you're wasting and how much is actually useful to you
Equal. Strength.
>incorrect, you can find inheritances out there, while the foundations you build with your insights are the only really permanent thing you have
No. Methods explicitly have a limit and after a certain point you need to find a new one to keep progressing. Inheritances explicitly will remain useful no matter how strong you get
>oh good, seeing how inheritances can't compare to methods at all since you can't fucking cultivate with them and they aren't the primary soruce of your active combat techniques either, i'm in the clear
In literally what universe is Method somehow stronger than Method+Additional Benefit?
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>>97882154
The only place it exists is in your nostalgia and your feeling that things used to be better. We never got that many builds, even for the most popular early one-pagers.
>Yes, the people who make cyoa.
Well, for the most part, I don't think so. Are you saying you're an example?
>What was the last ugly "proper" cyoa
I don't know, however I don't know what the last AAA CYOA was either, so it all evens out.
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>>97882164
>We never got that many builds, even for the most popular early one-pagers.
Yes, but they took a lot less time and effort to make than modern cyoa.
>, however I don't know what the last AAA CYOA was either
LOTM?
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>>97882159
>Why on earth would you even need to compete with them if not for resources
you compete with them for resources, pay attention
>No, it's very explicitly skipping that kind of stuff in exchange for pure murder. You can even skip entire stages just through murder rituals.
you can skip some of the longwinded parts of cultivation, you can't skip the need for resources and insight
>No the absolute fuck we cannot lmao.
well we have two alternatives, one is genre tropes and the other is your headcanon, it's clear which one gets 100% of the weight and which one gets 0%
face it, if the author had something different in mind, he would have told us about it
>Also if we are going by genre tropes then Vermillion would STILL have to make you stronger because that's the literal entire point of this kind of method.
no it's not, it would only make you stronger under the circumstances it's good at compared to the others, which is like i said before, a very lean build where you take only one inheritance
>Equal. Strength.
stop pretending to be retarded, if you use your strength in the wrong way it doesn't help you
>No. Methods explicitly have a limit and after a certain point you need to find a new one to keep progressing.
irrelevant, adding a new method doesn't erase your foundations, in fact the cyoa tells you that the methods it presents will not fuck up your foundations like other methods might, directly pointing you to why this is important
>In literally what universe is Method somehow stronger than Method+Additional Benefit?
your opportunity cost for getting them in the cyoa and what they actually do after you have them are not the same thing
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>>97882166
You just gotta get into the autism zone and do it for hours at a time, anon.
>>97882172
>Yes, but they took a lot less time and effort to make than modern cyoa.
Nobody cares. The only time I notice graphical quality is when it's drastically higher than the quality of everything else, like in Aromage CYOAs. I think those are funny.
>LOTM?
If you say so. I didn't read the novel so I just ignored it as a CYOA. Ironically I actually like to read stuff like that, but since I haven't the CYOA is worthless to me.
Also, judging from the number of builds and discussions, it's kind of milquetoast for a so-called AAA CYOA.
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>>97882215
>Nobody cares.
You might not, the trend suggests enough people do to have it happen. It does not matter if YOU dont care about the graphics, as with video games the creep has set in.
>it's kind of milquetoast for a so-called AAA CYOA.
"AAA" means production quality/resources, not "success".
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>>97882237
>the trend suggests
No they don't, since it doesn't happen. You're just suffering from nostalgia.
>>97882238
Keep at it anon, different people do it at different paces.
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>>97882199
>you compete with them for resources, pay attention
Great, then Mrs.NotVermillion is obviously still going to have to compete for resources. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If resources are limited everyone must compete. If they aren't no one has to compete.
>you can skip some of the longwinded parts of cultivation, you can't skip the need for resources and insight
The fact that you can explicitly skip entire stages just through murder disproves your point entirely.
>well we have two alternatives,
Correct. Either we go by the rules given in the cyoa, or we headcanon that there are extra hidden rules Rake didn't see fit to mention for some reason.
>face it, if the author had something different in mind, he would have told us about it
I don't know why you seem to think that extra hidden rules are the default, but it's not a good look for you.
>no it's not,
That is the point, it's the 'you can be hilariously powerful by casting aside all morality and becoming everyone's enemy'.
>stop pretending to be retarded, if you use your strength in the wrong way it doesn't help you
Equal. Strength.
>irrelevant, adding a new method doesn't erase your foundations, in fact the cyoa tells you that the methods it presents will not fuck up your foundations like other methods might, directly pointing you to why this is important
Methods don't change your foundations, they just don't fuck them up. If you want good foundations that's what HCF (an Inheritance btw) is for.
>your opportunity cost for getting them in the cyoa and what they actually do after you have them are not the same thing
Distinction without a difference.
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>>97882258
>Great, then Mrs.NotVermillion is obviously still going to have to compete for resources.
yes, and they'll be better at it because they're comparatively stronger versus their peers than the idiot who thought that gathering power through speed of advancement is equally valuable as being stronger irrespective of advancement
>The fact that you can explicitly skip entire stages just through murder disproves your point entirely.
nope, you're misunderstanding the cyoa, skipping cultivation, even an entire stage's worth of cultivation, is not the same as not having a resource or insight need
>Either we go by the rules given in the cyoa, or we headcanon that there are extra hidden rules Rake didn't see fit to mention for some reason.
i'm glad you agree
>I don't know why you seem to think that extra hidden rules are the default, but it's not a good look for you.
i'm glad you're doing my work of arguing against yourself for me
>That is the point, it's the 'you can be hilariously powerful by casting aside all morality and becoming everyone's enemy'.
that's the issue with how the method is performed, which is something i never disparaged in any of my posts
what i'm disparaging is that the reward you get from stealing power is the bad part, please fucking pay attention i don't want to repeat myself again
>Equal. Strength.
if you use your strength in the wrong way it doesn't help you
>Methods don't change your foundations, they just don't fuck them up.
methods are how you create your foundations, which is blatantly fucking obvious from the fact that using bad methods creates bad foundations
>Distinction without a difference.
well, sort of, yes, but that's because your argument was meaningless in the first place
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>>97882291
>yes, and they'll be better at it because they're comparatively stronger versus their peers than the idiot who thought that gathering power through speed of advancement is equally valuable as being stronger irrespective of advancement
The resources that aren't there anymore, right? Those ones, because obviously if resources are limited and you take forever to reach that level people are just going to snatch them up first?
>nope, you're misunderstanding the cyoa, skipping cultivation, even an entire stage's worth of cultivation, is not the same as not having a resource or insight need
Again, if you needed more stuff than murder then skipping stages purely through murder wouldn't work. It's basic logic.
>i'm glad you agree
Correct, so obviously 'genre conventions', being extra hidden rules that were never mentioned anywhere, have no place in this argument. Glad that's over.
> what i'm disparaging is that the reward you get from stealing power is the bad part, please fucking pay attention i don't want to repeat myself again
And if we go by 'genre conventions' the reward is very obviously going to be worth it dumbass.
>if you use your strength in the wrong way it doesn't help you
Equal. Strength.
>methods are how you create your foundations, which is blatantly fucking obvious from the fact that using bad methods creates bad foundations
No. You can fuck up your teeth by eating sugar, but that doesn't mean sugar is what creates your teeth.
>well, sort of, yes,
Great, thanks for agreeing with me that Inheritances are inherently more valuable than Methods. It honestly shouldn't have taken you this long to get to this point but better late than never.
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>>97881372
This is a good thing. Now I'm more motivated to exterminate the evil factions by any means necessary. Crazy that you still have to fight tooth and nail to convince less active neutral groups to take any kind of action against absurd evil like this.
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>>97882354
>The resources that aren't there anymore, right?
nope
>Those ones, because obviously if resources are limited and you take forever to reach that level people are just going to snatch them up first?
it's not a limited supply problem, it's a production versus demand problem
>Again, if you needed more stuff than murder then skipping stages purely through murder wouldn't work.
nope, it still works, you just need to also have the resources and insights on hand while you're doing the skipping
>Correct, so obviously 'genre conventions', being extra hidden rules that were never mentioned anywhere, have no place in this argument.
incorrect, they are the default assumptions for things the cyoa doesn't give any rules for
>And if we go by 'genre conventions' the reward is very obviously going to be worth it dumbass.
i mean, it's better than nothing, sure? still worse than being dominant in a lower tier, because it doesn't make you dominant in the higher tier
>Equal. Strength.
if you use your strength in the wrong way it doesn't help you
>No. You can fuck up your teeth by eating sugar, but that doesn't mean sugar is what creates your teeth.
yes, however in cultivation, you create your foundations by cultivating, you don't just have them randomly from birth, therefore the source of your foundations is the work you put in while cultivating, which is itself done via your methods
>Great, thanks for agreeing with me that Inheritances are inherently more valuable than Methods.
i did not and they are not
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>>97882093
Women gonna act like women anon. The only only way to prevent women from being whores is by asserting some kind of social control over them. Our forefathers wisely put aside their compassion and steeled themselves for what needed to be done.
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>>97882398
you're the same guy who always tried to argue his own headcanon and always smashed into the genre conventions wall with it, aren't you
sorry to tell you this, but the author himself pulled the genre conventions card several times while talking about the cyoa
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>>97882355
The "good guys" fuck the dead bodies of MAID victims to use people's souls as a stat booster. It's all shit, they're all evil, Witchkind has nothing to offer back to Heaven. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill.
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>>97881948
>The "AA" market for cyoa, just like for games, has dried up, you either try and go for the AAA thread devourer or you make a shitpost one pager with few in betweens.
If I made CYOAs I would make "AA CYOAs". "AAA CYOAs" require far too much diligent autism to make. And "B-movie CYOAs" are just awful.
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>>97881368
I guess it's time to make that slayer build I said I would make. Now that I look at it slayer is more busted than I thought, you can get discounts and affinities for everyithing since you can copy the class of your companions and unlike normal witches you don't have a 4 affinity limit.
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>>97882715
>intelligence (5)
>curse energy trait (4)
>curse energy skill (6)
For my trait I'll take a trait that lets me be undetectable or makes my cursed energy have no detectable energy signal or whatever. In other words, if someone looked at me, scanned me, whatever, they'd see a normal guy and nothing out of the ordinary. Since my trait can't be OP this is restricted to out of combat or requires me to setup a workshop sufficiently filled with my cursed energy making it unsuitable for open conflict but undetectable otherwise.
Either way, I just become a hermit. Because I appear ordinary I'm left alone by cursed spirits, and then I simply study and invent my own techniques and do modifications on my own time to become OP. Then when I'm ready I'll make a real move and do whatever I want. Until then, I just use my high IQ to get money and live as a king. Even if I never fight in jjk I'll live a /comfy/ life away from all the nonsense.
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>>97882823
Why? What kind of leash do real life doctors wear?
>>97882826
It's not Sukuna's level vs average competent sorcerer's level, it's Sukuna's level vs the absolute jobber that's me. I couldn't bear jobbing so much at everything.
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>>97883064
I'm not a hermit because I'm forced to live a certain way by circumstances and chicanery. Yes, in many of my builds, my fantasy for CYOA is to just live a quiet life in peace at my own pace away from the filth of the world. Would I pursue power? Yes, that's why I picked intelligence and skill boosters, and with that power I'll do what I want later on once I perfect my craft at my own pace.
What I want to do will probably involve a supervillain plot to take down society, but that'll come later. Maybe I won't care enough to do it as long as I have a slice of happiness. I play it by ear. Why predetermine your route so soon? Just get power now and make a bigger decision later.
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>>97883064
There is a big difference between a normal hermit and a magical one
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>>97883170
>mack on sorcerer hotties
Who are you going to target?
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>>97883129
Too many.
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WATCH, LISTEN