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wow if you think about it citizenship should be earned the capellan way instead of given!

4/6/4 or 5/8?
Or in more concrete terms, would you rather take a Timber Wolf or a Night Gyr on a long campaign?

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What is something you consider an iconic match-up that most others probably wouldn't call iconic? For me, the Clans versus the Republic of the Sphere is a very iconic rivalry.
I'm a (relative) newfag, and the Falcon's Desant, the Steel Wolves invasion of Terra, Clan Wolf's rampage across Republic space and so on are some of the first parts of BT I ever experienced. I love it, and it's the main reason I'm painting up an RAF army to fight my mate's clans.
The Fidelis and Republic Remnant facing the Wolves on their march to Terra, which ended with the scuttling of the Flatus to kill the Clanners aboard, the Steel Wolves, RAF and Stormhammers fighting side by side against the Falcon's invasion of Skye, the Steel Wolves facing the Highlanders and RAF during their failed invasion of Terra, all of this IS Battletech to me.
What's your unusual iconic match-up, anon?

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>>97874571
For the Confederacy.

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The new celestials are going to be so fucking fat.

>>97874608
grotesque

>>97874582
Timber Wolf is boring and liked by predominately dull people. Night Gyr is more fun and the people who like it tend to be a entertainingly crazy.

>>97874646
This but the much chadlier Nova Cat.

>>97874590
the wobby's wobblemeat goonborg enhanched slutbitches vs my stud schmeat

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The forces of Fortress Republic and the Republic Remnant fought one another? I thought that only happened once, when the Wall came down and the Fidelis turned on Redburn?

>>97874932
Probably because the Remnant and Comstar were working together outside the Wall and Stone is a complete sperg.

>>97874590
The Stoners were never rivals. They were a failed state dying quickly after the Blackout. It was so bad, they had to make the Wall because the authors had no idea how to drag out their death any further without magical bullshit. They literally had no idea how the Wall would actually work when they invented it.

>>97874959
>>97874924
I'm going to assume you think you're in some way funny and thus also assume you are a retard.

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Uh...anons?

>>97874976
The fuck does any of that have to do with anything I said you inbred jew?

>>97874978
Mine was an honest answer. Stone was a vengeful retard. You ever look at his Eruptio targets? He was off to punish the fucking Senate Alliance instead of securing key systems. Then thinking he could coerce the Wolves after literally watching what happened when the Lyrans tried that trick for the last fifteen years and nearly destroyed themselves.

>>97874959
>Probably because the Remnant and Comstar
No? Poor bait.

>>97874985
Rivalries are among equals or at least two sides with a chance to win. RotS never did anything but get beat on and lose. It's like saying the hogs are classic clanner rivals and not a speedbump.

>>97874995
>No?
Where's Remnant headquarters and where's Comstar outside the Wall headquarters, mansly? Who was asking for Comnguard help during the 3135 RotS civil war? What rogue paladin was the reason for all of Comstar under the Wall getting nationalized and was that after the Remnant got sent out?

>>97874997
That still has literally nothing to do with my post? You're an actual retard.

>>97875002
Retarded headcanon, bait or sheer stupidity.
Call it.

>>97875004
You're the literal retard if you can't understand that the comment is Stoners were never rivals to anyone. That's what you called it, though. You could have used the word matchup or fight, but you didn't. So you're getting made fun of. It's not the answer you wanted, but it's certainly relevant to your post.

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>>97875012
So, you're just trolling now...or you've never actually read the Dark Age material.

>>97875017
>You could have used the word matchup or fight, but you didn't
>What is something you consider an iconic match-up that most others probably wouldn't call iconic?
>What's your unusual iconic match-up, anon?
Ok buddy.
So anyway, the RotS vs the Clans is a very iconic rivalry to me. Tell me, what's your unusual iconic match-up/rivalry, anon? :)

>>97875026
I've read all of the Dark Age sourcebooks and a ton of the books. ComStar are not involved with the Remnant at all, my lil baiter.

When a mech loses an arm, is there a roll you have to do to see if it's usable as a club? Or is that always the case?

Can you pick up your own arm to use as a club?

>>97875038
Sure, it's just a coincidence that they set up shop on the same world for their capital. I'm sure the ruling regime protecting them from clanners and both working on fixing the blackout that destroyed everything for both of them would never have any impact on relations. Just because Comstar didn't have any military forces, doesn't mean they weren't a player.

>>97875058
>Gets called out
>Y-yeah? Well still! My headcanon says this! No I've no proof!
Lmfao
i accept your concession, you dumbass.

>>97874978
I genuinely felt horny
mmm wobbly wobbiepillows
i will settle for an elemental muscle mommy though

>>97875052
>Can you pick up your own arm to use as a club?

No, because Kerensky forbids it.

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>>97874590
Thematically? Manei Domini VS Society, of course. The schizo madtech IS vs the schizo madtech Clan. Society designs are mechanically better but Manei Domini are better pilots. One day I'll finish my Society stuff and manage to suffer through it.
>>97874924
Please, anon. The fact that some of us are into cyborg women make some people uncomfortable, let's avoid triggering some anons. Discipline.

>>97875073
The we never got anything to do with the Domin and Society interacting is a fucking crime

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>>97874590
The Word of Blake vs the Com Guard/ComStar is most iconic thing in all of BT to me because I was introduced to the game with the ComStar and Fall of Terra sourcebooks.

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Canonize LRADs

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HONOR THE DRAGON!

>>97875064
In the interest of honesty, I went back and dug around. In Sword of Sedition, they're working together basically because Comstar owns Australia. Ariana describes their relationship outside the Wall as tense in ER:3145, so probably not holding hands. They're not at each other's throats like under the Wall but more politely ignoring each other as both organizations die. McKinnon wouldn't like that (Target of Opportunity and Bonfire of Worlds), but he doesn't have much say out there, and Stone sacks him as soon as he wakes up. We're never told what for, but probably him running all his own little ops outside Levin's purview.

>>97875097
>Give the mech Hips
>what? why?
>Hot

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>>97875103

How is MegaMek's RNG? Does it roughly match your experiences at actual tables? Or have you had crazy things constantly happen only in MegaMek that you've never seen IRL?

>>97875026
I'll just take a ton of flak ammo on every mech with an AC, mg's and flamers are worthless.

>>97875170
A wise choice until CGL gets their heads out of their asses and finally rounds down infantry damage again.

>>97875052
Any arm lost to destruction of the corresponding side torso or any limb lost to the 'blown off' result on a critical hit check is usable as a club. A 'mech can't use it's own arm as a club because using a club requires two functioning shoulder and hand actuators.

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>>97875169
Megamek does this weird thing pretty often when it makes the same kind of roll, it has way more of the exact same result than should be statistically-likely. Say you fire 5 medium lasers and they'll all roll 6. Otherwise, it's pretty good.

>>97875178
CGL doesn't exist on my table.

>>97875186
I think he just wants to perform the EZ-8 maneuver.

>>97875196
I noticed that there's multiple settings for RNG, has what you describe only been with the default?

>>97875210
Yeah, I've only ever played with the default.

>>97875200
t. has no table

>>97875224
Unlike you, I don't live in mom's basement.

>>97875200
IIRC the anti-infantry properties of flak is a CGL rule?

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>>97875188

>>97875205
That's fair. While the base rules don't allow for one-handed clubs, the Slugger Special Pilot Ability does, so it can be done with campaign rules or character cards.

>>97875200
Why would CGL, as an entity, be localized entirely within the confines of your table?

>>97875254
The company is just that small, a literal who with only enough product to prop up a convention booth that relies on kickstarter for funding.

you ever play a game and realize after going home that you broke the rules and nobody noticed?

last weekend i got distracted and did a kick and rolled on the normal hit location table instead of the kick location table and nobody noticed. i got an arm hit for free. i still feel dirty

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>>97875264
Really?! Only enough product to fill the booth at a convention? How have they survived for the last 19 years conducting business this way?

>>97874976
>The interstellar nation with hundreds of worlds and some of the most advanced and powerful military tech in the Sphere is too weak to be rival of the Falcons or Wolves
Trying Too Hard

>>97875301
>Literally 3 regiments of actual mechs in 3135.

>>97875274
Dude, they can't even fulfill kickstarter backer rewards.

>>97875314
Not even kickstarter rewards?

>>97875267
I forget to add movement heat sometimes. Isn't that something they're changing?

>>97875267
No, I get called out immediately when I fuck up. I numb the shame at home.

>>97875312
>literally a lorelet

>>97875335
>3 governors and the senate break off in less than 3 years after the blackout, taking all that with them
>only 25 regiments of machines after 10 years under the Wall with the full might of Terra and Prefecture X unmolested for a decade
>b-but RISC

Yuh huh, you lorelett.

>>97875320
>we will refund you because we can't make enough mats.
and
>where's muh mercs box?

>>97875354
God, it feels good to have been 1st wave rewards.

>>97875342
>>97875312
>THEY DON'T HAVE A BILLION MILLION MECHS IN THE DARK AGE
>Basically no one has many mechs in the Dark Age?
>THEY DIDN'T MAKE A BILLION MILLION MECHS WHEN THE FORTRESS WAS CREATED!
>Basically no one could make a load of mechs in the Dark Age. Also, the made new Battle Armour, Super Heavies, Vehicles-
>SHUT UP! MECHS ONLY!
>The Dark Age was mostly combined-arms focused due to a lack of mechs.
>SHUT UP!

>>97875359
>>Basically no one has many mechs in the Dark Age?
Stoners have less than half the machines of the surrounding states after rebuilding for more than a decade. The Fedsuns after getting most of their army glassed at Palmyra have more machines than the Stoners.

>>97875354
They're refunding Battletech mats?

>>97875359
>Everyone has basically 1 mech batt to the regiment
>Stoners still less than half most states
Kek

nta but anyone who looks at BT numbers and believes them is a drooling non-white. There isn't a House, Clan or Periphery nation in all of BT with enough military forces to hold even a 10th of its territory

>>97875381
When a major state has less mechs than Wolf's Dragoons, you can draw some fucking conclusions.
>What? The disarmament faction disarmed? No way!

>>97875371
>>97875366
>MMMMEEEEECHHHHS!!!
>The Dark Age is probably the BT era with the least focus on mechs. It's focused on combined arms. The RotS have advanced BA, aerospace, vehicles, and what mechs it did have were highly advanced, they even had Super Heav-
>MECHS!!!!!!
>Anon-
>MMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEECCCCCHHHHSSSSS!
(You)

Read Starving Vultures from Shrapnel Issue 13. Very depressing to show how bad it is living in a planet that's soon to be removed in star charts (I do hope Jim McCullough and Kate Mulligan keep to their happy ending). I must ask (which I asked before): is it not possible to find a system removed from a star chart for resources that people stopped acquiring?

It's mentioned in that short story that Bamburgh, where the story was set, had nickel deposits no one in the Inner Sphere wanted to buy from anymore (Kate telling Jim that there were untapped deposits in other planets in the Crucis March and that those who bought from the mining companies in Bamburgh opted to buy from those untapped deposits). Is it not possible for someone from the Inner Sphere with enough money to try to find Bamburgh and gain access to the abandonned nickel post-2864 as that was when it was removed from star charts?

>>97875397
You're purposefully ignoring that the proportion of mechs to everything else is consistent. Mechs are about 1/3 of total forces in the Early DA. The Stoners did nothing but lose and die without their Wall because they didn't have the forces, never did.

Also, just checked FM:3145. 28 total regiments of forces. 19 regiments 2 batts of mechs. Wooo weee.

>>97875398
>is it not possible to find a system removed from a star chart
Andurien dropped off some early star charts but re-appeared later, so anything's possible if that generation-haunting horror show could make a comeback.

>>97875381
For what it's worth, the canon regiments are the big major players that can be moved around from world to world. On planet militias and royal guard are going to be less interesting. Conventional infantry, locally produced trucks, Scorpions and Vedettes bought in bulk. Maybe a lance of busted-ass heirloom mechs they pull out as last resort and/or for parades. Then you've got the countless solo, lance, and company scale commands floating around. Corporate Security teams, so on and forth. There's a lot more than is listed, but the stuff that gets listed are the movers and shakers of the setting.

>>97875423
Ironically, this is already accounted for with Stoners in the Republican Guard because they were so ant-private ownership, and those are noted as depleted after the Early DA fighting. They did also nationalize all their mercs under the Wall so fucked that as well.

>>97875415
>Also, just checked FM:3145. 28 total regiments of forces. 19 regiments 2 batts of mechs.
>THERE'S NO MECHS IN THE MECHLESS ERA! AAAAAH! HELP ME FASA I'M GOING INSANE! AAAAH!

>>97875416
> if that generation-haunting horror show could make a comeback.

Well now I’m curious. What happened on Andurien?

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>>97875436
Canopian Whores and Dragon things.

>>97875436
Some of the earliest atrocities between the young FWL and the Capellan Commonality, small potatoes compared to what would happen later but at the time was pretty hardcore.

>>97875398
>is it not possible to find a system removed from a star chart for resources that people stopped acquiring?
Yes, but unless you have a good idea of where you should look for it you're essentially going to be blindly jumping into random most likely uninhabited systems, which given that you need to spend roughly a week between each jump to recharge the KF drive most wouldn't bother with. If you manage to find some documentation that give you a good idea where the system should be you may be able to narrow it down a lot, and if you get your hands on an old starchart that still shows the location of the system finding it becomes trivial.

>>97875499

And I take it a lot of pre-2864 star charts that listed systems like Bamburgh and Szepes (I bring that system up because after finishing the Stacks duology a month ago, I find it baffling that many in the Inner Sphere gave up on Szapes' limestone deposits given how rebuilding structures destroyed in the fighting will need limestone; I refer to the short stories Breech and Promise that star Wade Staczyk as he's nicknamed "Stacks" in those stories) no longer exist save for the one Wolf's Dragoons had that allowed them to know how to go to Ilion in 3151?

>>97875186
The thought of a locust trying to wield its own stubby arm-wing as a club is amusing.

>>97875328
Heat for attempting to stand up, not movement heat in general.

>>97875659
>Burn walk points
>Don't earn walk heat
Seems more complicated to me.

>>97874590
Taurians vs Canopians. They are just such perfect foils for each other and are two of the better known periphery nations. That being said, most people don't care about the periphery at all but I would like to see more about their cold war heating up.

>>97874590
Wolf's Dragoons vs WoB
Blame "Blake and Wolf" being my intro to Btech.

>>97875571
>limestone deposits
Probably just easier to locally source, since BattleTech is brimming with Earth-likes.

>>97875774

Then what would be the one resource in this franchise that cannot be easily found like nickel or limestone that would be worth trying to rediscover a system removed from star charts during the Succession Wars?

>>97875822
Germanium.

>>97875822
As far as base resources go: nothing short of exotic materials.

But… given everything that’s happened in the succession wars, lostech and intact industrial centers would absolutely get someone’s undivided attention.

Super heavies should be more common.

>>97875849
Hell, even a livable hideaway OFF the Star Charts has it's own value.

>>97875911

Though would it be worth using a planet no longer in star charts given that those who lived in such planets had pet animals that could have evolved into being dangerous? In Starving Vultures, there's mention of a veterinary clinic and that Jim having a pet dog that was regularly taken there. A system being removed from a star chart because it stopped being seen as somewhere with something worth offering dooms any society living there in the long run that if they had pets, try to imagine what'll happen to those that outlive the humans still living there?

>>97875980
That's acting as if the local Fauna aren't nightmarish Space Horrors half the time.

>>97875854
They have little reason to be more common than they are.
They cannot be jump capable, even the lightest ones can't practically go faster than 3/5, they're locked out of a wide variety of advanced tech, they're universally very expensive just because of how large and full of stuff they are and it's a massive investment into a single machine that is still very vulnerable to crits and headshots.
They're an extremely constrained weight class that isn't capable of adequately filling niches besides juggernaut and heavy sniper. I don't see there being room for more than a couple additional hypothetical superheavy mechs ever unless their tech restrictions are lifted.

>>97875854
Plastic WoB Omega when?!

>>97875854
>Super heavies should be more common
I like Ares.
I would like a plastic Ares.
Plz CGL.

>>97875854
Then go play Warmahordes

>>97876065
>>97876056
>so we decided to redesign all superheavies from the ground up and make them look completely different for no reason
>here's our generic blobs of edgeless matte plastic slabs

>>97876120
Trying Too Hard

>>97875980
> had pet animals that could have evolved into being dangerous?

Oh, no! You’re right! All those domestic animals might’ve reverted back into something resembling the wild animals they were originally domesticated from! That means instead of finding a passive garden world, they’ll be coming to a wild and savage Earth-like planet. And we’ve never had to deal with THAT! Ever!

Please.

If anything re-taming the planet this time around is likely to be noticeably easier, since this time around they’d be doing so with guns, lasers, and 15-meter-tall giant robots, and not just sticks and stones alone.

>>97876132
See >>97876123
Thank you.

>>97875911
It's like having your private island, but a milk run takes one to two months.

>>97874590
Free Worlds League vs Free Worlds League
Glory to Marik

What would have happened if that Rassalhauge dude didn't gamble the Second Star League on that vote of no confidence but let the Lyrans, FedSuns, and Capellans just leave?

>>97876694
The Invincible still shells the fuck out of the faggots.

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Been meaning to dig into the “Battletech:Universe” book for a good, long while.

This page giving a quick summary of the basic mech weaponry just have to say:

1) HA! The PPC IS basically a weaponized particle accelerator! I can’t remember if it was at my LGS, or here somebody was trying to argue that it wasn’t, but something closer to an ion thruster or something. This is clearly describing a particle accelerator.

2) gotta say, and I don’t know why this didn’t click until just now, but mech flamers sound more like a 40k melta-weapon than a conventional flame thrower. Not that I’m complaining mind you…

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>>97876974
All this info is in the OG Battledroids manual bro. PPC literally means Particle Projection Cannon.

>>97876988
> OG Battledroids manual bro
1) not everyone has access to shit from the old days.
2) yes, I know, I still got argued with. I don’t know what to tell you.

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>>97876974
Gauss rifle best weapon

>>97877012
>I still got argued with
You're posting in the Battletech general. Expect to be argued with even though you posted nothing wrong.

>>97877012
>1) not everyone has access to shit from the old days.
I mean, that's why we maintain the archive, so everyone does.

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>>97877063
That's bullshit, that never fucking happens here

>>97877012
See? >>97877063
I >>97877063 was right.

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Literally the only flavour flavour of FedSuns I can tolerate is the Swordsworn. I hate everything else FS.

>>97877095
>Not respecting Erik as the best Regent and Prince's Champion long after Tikograd.
You bring shame on the swords of Avalon.

>>97877057
Respectable.

But there’s just something about shooting a bunch of subatomic particles at a target at 90%+ the speed of light that just feels so excessive in that mad-science kind of way.

Plus there’s never a time or faction that doesn’t have access to PPCs

>>97877113
>Plus there’s never a time or faction that doesn’t have access to PPCs
Except when plot demands scarcity, Marik and Liao both notably weathered PPC shortages enough to warrant refits of preexisting 'mech designs using large laser replacements

>>97877095
It was pretty cool that, despite being a mere Republic Splinter Faction, they fought on the frontlines of the Liao Incursion and defended the Republic/FedSun worlds against the Caps. Quite brave and noble.

>>97877134
They went official Fedsuns after VSD's funeral, just like Dragon's Fury went official Drac.

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>>97877095
I hate the Fedrats so much my representative unit for their faction is currently non-canon despite their work being baked into the setting lore.

>>97877147
>Team Banzai
>Non-canon
wtf are you smoking, man? Also, post that black and yellow proof.

>>97877145
And I didn't say otherwise. However at time they were still just break aways.

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>>97877167
So, fun thing. If you read Scorpion Jar, they never officially broke away. In fact, Aaron is all talking to Levin going "No bro, we're still totally loyal boys." as they're flying over the ruins of Hilton Head.

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This is one of my favorite form-factors. Dragon, cent, good solid mechs.

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>>97877163
No mentions in FM: Davion or in FM: Mercs. CGL washed them out as a unit.

>>97877187
Where's your antennae, brother?

>>97877185
>So, fun thing.
Pedantic and reddit-coded. Hell of a post, anon.

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>>97877187

>>97877196
I sorta forgot them. Maybe if I get some piano strings, I'll glue some on later. I also have a conversion of the WFT-2 I'm working on, that one has the antennae

>>97875026
I just need to say that a single hex-wide river all the way down its length is PUSSY BEHAVIOUR.

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>>97877185
Sure anon

>>97877227
>Posts an excerpt from ED: DA and doesn't realize Sword of Sedition takes place after Scorpion Jar where they went full Fedsuns after nominally pretending to be official RotS the whole time before that.

I fucking hate dumb niggers that don't read the novels.

>>97877227
>Katana Tormark
a shit, a SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

>>97877227
The fact they Stormhammers and Swordsworn would still, from time to time like the Falcon invasion of Skye, work with the RAF to protect the innocents of the Inner Sphere is a great detail to me.
They breaking away from the RotS FOR their people and if keeping them safe means fighting with those they broke away from sometimes, they'll do it for the greater good.
Very noble.

>>97877257
Awww, sorry I pointed out you were wrong pal.
Lol cope and seethe

>>97877260
How's she doing in the old ISF sex dungeon in the ilClan? Must have been there like seven years at this point. It's got to be full Taimanin Asagi at this point.

>>97877266
You are wrong. Keep being arrogant. It just shows you're too dumb to realize you're wrong.

>>97877269
The Dracs were going to try and get info about something big and important out of her last I heard but whatever new plot Katana was meant to be involved in was probably dropped long ago.

>>97877279
>You are wrong. Keep being arrogant. It just shows you're too dumb to realize you're wrong
Cope.
And.
Seethe.
Buddy.
:3

>>97877057
Aren't gauss rifles just massive magnetic clacker guns?

>>97877132
Didn’t the FWL develop the awesome? One of the greatest PPC boats in all of Battletech?

One would think they, of all people, would know how to build a damn PPC

>>97877295
Start at page 282 of Sword of Sedition and just read nigga read.

>>97877305
They’re basically another word for what is usually called a rail-gun in other settings.

>>97877328
They were so short on PPC's, they were making some non-PPC Awesomes at Savannah. Where do you think the 8R and 8T come from?

>>97877328
Like I said, scarcity for plot's sake only. SUDDENLY Marik can't make PPCs to sustain their Black Knight stable so here's this NEW MODEL with a large laser instead!

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>>97877185
No they 100% a Republic splinter faction. Don't know why you'd lie about this lmfao
Is this cope? Bait? It's something.

>>97877269
>How's she doing in the old ISF sex dungeon in the ilClan?
Going by In The Shadow of the Dragon, the ISF has fallen pretty far from their infamy since the Indrahars.

>>97877361
>A book written years after everything happened.
They were not treated as a splinter by the government at the time. They were legally treated as loyal soldiers of the Republic right up until they switched to the Fedsuns. That's the point.

>>97877386
Holy Mother Of Cope.
Your L, m'lord.

>>97877388
Holy faggot of personal attacks! Exclamations make your point so much more real!

>>97877386
>They were legally treated as loyal soldiers of the Republic right up until they switched to the Fedsuns. That's the point.
You can literally see in both posts
>>97877361
>>97877227
They were being treated as foes mere months after Gray Monday.

>>97877399
They were not. Read the fucking novels. Jesus fucking Christ, this is a complete Takashi didn't kill himself, Waterly didn't retire to Atreus situation.

>>97877395
>Holy faggot of personal attacks! Exclamations make your point so much more real
Concession accepted, anon.

>>97877185
>>97877257
>>97877279
>>97877331
>>97877386
>>97877386
>>97877395
>>97877402
>Gets proven wrong in 2 screenshots
>Immedately melts down
Many such cases.

>>97877412
Kill yourself already, faggot.

>>97877350
> Where do you think the 8R and 8T come from?
Ngl, upon seeing how the 8Q was the GOAT, I kinda, never bothered to look at, or acknowledge, that the Awesome even had variants. I mean, who’d be so arrogant to think that they could improve upon perfection?

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>>97877420
;w;

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>>97877417
Oh hey, here's the duke getting treated as a regular Governor in a tour of Terra in 3135 and trying to smooze with the Davions because he's still part of the official RotS with his official position.

You know, because you didn't actually read the pages when given.

>>97877426
While I also celebrate the child of Saint Technicron, we must remember the weaknesses that made the world join the Silverhawk Coalition.

>>97877452
Oh hey, that doesn't change anything shown here
>>97877227
Or here
>>97877361
Crazy!
Take the L, and move on. It's ok to be wrong, pal :)

>>97877475
You can't be a splinter and still be part of the main government. We know he's doing his own shit, but Redburn and Levin never acknowledged it. He was a full on regular Governor right up until Harrison got pushed out a window, and he threw in with Caleb.

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gonna do a maddog next.

what should the 5th be? got a thunderbolt I was thinking of maybe modding into the IIC.

>>97877475
>I posted two things from ED:DA written from the 3140's perspective.
Who cares?

>>97877491
>I-uh-W-Well yeah he was a breakway who was actively fighting the RAF and trying to claim worlds for the FedSuns but the Exarch just ignored that!
Got a permit to move them goalposts, mate?

>>97877492
Battle Cobra

>>97877503
>but the Exarch just ignored that!
He did. Again, read the fucking novels, dude.

>>97877499
>You quoted the lore. Who cares?
Annnnd I accept your concession.

>>97877517
I quoted lore as well, at a higher canon level, so I accept your concession.

>>97877516
>>97877521
>Y-yeah?! Well right back at ya! Ha! + Goalposts moved
I win lmfao

>>97877503
>trying to claim worlds for the FedSuns
Didn't officially happen until after the 3135 civil war. The Swordsworn going Feddie lines up almost exactly with the rape of Danai Liao.

>>97877530
>Retard declares victory
Don't break a tooth chewing on your brass medal. There's Capellan lead in it.

The people who argue about shitty Battletech lore have a special kind of loneliness to them.

>>97877552
No, we just have krautism.

>>97877540
Headline: Danai Liao Raped! Swordsworn Flee Charges! FedSuns Say "She Had It Coming!"

>>97877547
>Still stamping his feet and crying
Awww it's ok buddy. I won't tell anyone you're a retard.

>>97877328
The scarcity meant they were pulling PPCs out of other things to feed the Awesome line.

>>97877360
>>97877132
Original lore vs the nulore.
Prior to the retcons the PPC was an increasingly rare weapon amongst the Inner Sphere, to the point that Earthworks was having to hoard their stockpile of PPC's for Warhammer production, and there was a genuine chance that they might have to switch out to using Large Lasers instead if the situation did not change. the FWL had basically exhausted their fresh stocks and where reduced to recycling old weapons for new chassis, and ended up having to make sacrifices, replacing the PPC's in their Marauders and Awesomes with Large Lasers instead.
Then the retcons happened and suddenly Earthworks is able to produce the Thug with no issues, and PPC's are everywhere in chassis that where formerly extinct. What we are left with is a weird bit of lore that makes no sense because the retcon to bring all these extinct chassis back into production completely ignored the increasing scarcity of certain systems. It also completely ruins Operation Rosebuds big reveal as there is no reason for Davion forces to be shocked by House Kurita deploying dozens of fresh extinct or near extinct chassis when said chassis are now commonplace. Same with the tech, those losttech examples where a major reason why the War of 3039 didnt result in a major Drac loss, but suddenly said tech is everywhere.

>>97877584
Now the reason for the War of 3039 not resulting in a Drac loss is Jake Mason from MW5. I'm joking, but he does beat the crap out of Snord's Irregulars in Dragon's Gambit.

>>97877584
>Same with the tech, those losttech examples where a major reason why the War of 3039 didnt result in a major Drac loss, but suddenly said tech is everywhere.
Teddy K's Rasalhague deal with ComStar explains that for the Combine, but I don't recall ComStar doling out lostech gibs to anyone else in 3039.

>>97877622
The deal was in 3034. He's getting at the tech rollbacks which had a lot of prototypes in 3039 and full production in the 3040's that were formerly 3050's stuff. See the Grasshopper 5N and how many times its been rolled back.

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>>97877412
>>97877423
>>97877438

Having a look at characters, lore and dossiers, a lot of people piloted an Arbalest during the Dark Age.
What an odd choice.

>>97877076
Fuck off cunt you know damn well it does.

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>>97877767
>giving a shit about Dark Age
I should probably start to tbf

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>>97877792
>falling for the bait
Anon, pls

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Now are the domino masks normally part of the ComStar uniform? Or is that only for members of specific departments?

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>>97877846
I like to think the robes and mask are for when mingling with outsiders, but
90s tech weenie /fa/ is for when on the complex.

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Been messing with some metallics i have a very blue rifleman now might make it a royal guard or something idk

>>97877924
Sexy. I keep trying to do that with white but I haven't mastered the paint-to-medium ratio so it keeps looking like silver when I'm aiming for pearlescent. I'll keep working on it.

>>97877969
Just do an ink wash over chrome. That's classic candy coat stuff.

>>97878008
Never fucked with inks, might give it a try.

who owns/operates the HPG's after comstar was blown up and the blakists were killed? Do credits even exist in the ilclan era?

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>>97878172
Dirty Clanners getting theirs back for Tukayyid by becoming the de facto nu-ComStar.

>>97877584
>retcons
There's like a 3-5 year period towards the end of the 4th SW where things are getting a bit dicey for PPC manufacturing...

And then the Helm Memory Core revival happens and the problem goes away.

Now I know that reading between the lines is something that BT fans hate to do, but I think the implication here is obvious: the Helm revival allowed the Caps and Burds to get a lid on PPC manufacturing and solved the issue.

War of 3039 continuity is just an utter clusterfuck, I don't even bother trying to explain that shit anymore past "the Federated Commonwealth accomplished a major military victory against the Dracs that they regard as a loss, and we're supposed to feel bad for them because of it."

>>97878195
It's funny how them making the clan inherit HPGs and international currency completely undoes any practical consequence of comstar dying.
Comstar was always a background character that effectively didn't exist on a map, so their destruction is meaningless if someone else can just take over their jobs.
WoB was just a BBEG that spawned in the middle of the sphere for some lazy cheap drama, did nothing of substance and then died, so their destruction was also meaningless.
Someone else is doing what comstar was doing, WoB's jihad had no lasting effect, it's like comstar never existed. Why even kill them at that point?

Why did the Cappies nationalized mercs into their regular army? Wouldn't it burden their finance even more?

>>97877622
A lot of the stuff that was really rare or only just entering prototype phase in 3039 was retconned to be in production, the same with rare chassis. That the Dracs got several mechs, accidentally, with functional lostech is a major plot point as it gave them a massive edge. That vanishes when those said weapons are suddenly already in production. The same with the rare chassis they get supplied with - when those become readily available the shock factor goes.
You have to remember that in the original fluff the tech rollout took a lot longer and even by 3049 most mechwarriors did not know what an ER laser was, let alone a Gauss Rifle.

>>97878304
China must grow larger.

>>97878283
You know what?
All this is a consequence of 2 things together: the IP changing hands regularly and each new owner wanting a “fresh start”. But none of these owners actually wanting to do a hard reset, so they just move the timeline forward a little and have something happen that functionally puts everything at a perceived status quo, but not undoing anything that happened before.

It all makes for a really messy history and timeline that… I’m kinda all for. Makes the Battletech universe feel more real, more lived-in.

What was Myndo's reason/gain for proposing Rosebud?

>>97878304
Yes and no.

Hiring a merc is more expensive than having a regular, both in terms of paying them and all the associated upkeep. Decent merc units are going to get salvage, repair, maintenance, and transport rights as well.

The problem comes in when you don't need that military capacity for whatever reason. If you have a bunch of mercs and you want to downsize, you just don't renew them. Problem solved.

Of course, then if you do need that capacity you may have burned the bridge with them, or they may be available... or they may be working for the enemy, with the advantage of having played OPFOR against you for the last six years and providing their new employer with all that intel.

The Caps were in a bit of a unique situation where they had a shit ton of cash to throw around but limited ability to build or produce their own war materiel. Most new production was going to the FedCom and Dracs... but there's a bunch of long-term mercs who know they really can't get a job anywhere else sitting around, so two birds, one stone.

Otherwise it's a bit more nuanced. There's a benefit either way.

>>97878347
Not allowing the fedcom to roll over their biggest rival and solidify themselves as an even more dominant power than being two great houses already made them. Comstar doesn't want the balance tipped over like that.

>>97877923
> 90s tech weenie /fa/ is for when on the complex.
Oh. I thought the general attire for when on the complex was kinda like with Unseen University: hooded bathrobes with a mix of stars, and algebraic equations intermingling with coffee & tobacco stains, with matching sweatpants and fuzzy slippers.

Because when your a tech bro turned wizard among other tech bros turned wizards, why put in the effort?

>>97878340
>Makes the Battletech universe feel more real
?
It's like if the european wars of religion happened but all of europe just went back to being catholic immediately after and nothing changed.
It doesn't feel real, it feels contrived and lazy.

>>97878387
I always presumed it was the opposite, the tech religion in ComStar was supposed to be a front to fool outsiders, but the Wobbies got hooked on the Kool-Aid and took it seriously.

>>97878449
>geez blake, how the hell are we going to survive to forthcoming succession wars, we're just a telecom company for gods sake
>WAIT, say that again
>what? for gods sake?
>yes, for gods sake... that might just be crazy enough to work! of course we'll need to hide it from outsiders, and high ranking members will need to know the truth, other wise we'll be at risk of being taken over by fanatics of our own creation

>>97877480
Looks interesting Anon. Part of a RPG campaign?

>>97878449
Oh, no, no, no.

The creepy doomsday cult was the Real ComStar, the tech-bros with the wizard shtick was the mask.

>>97878449
Other way around, the tech religion was meant to fool Comstar into caring about the mission even if they themselves get nuked into the stone age. Cultists will gather in a cave with torches to plot their rise to power, corporate employees will not.

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>>97878488
Tbh I'm not sure, I saw it in one of these threads and saved it, just like pic related.

>>97878480
Oh, I am certain it went like this:
> “so we’re a doomsday cult first and foremost? And the phone company is just the front?”
> “indeed, with this company, we will be able to monitor all the secret communiques, and get close to the leadership of the vile houses to best facilitate their ultimate downfall and scouring of the inner sphere so we can rebuild the Star league better than before! And better still, it encourages the houses to turn a blind eye towards our schemes, lest they lose their ability to communicate with their systems.
> okay… but why all the pomp and pageantry? Why not just run it like a normal phone company?
> what do you mean?
> the robes? The chanting? All the unnecessary mystical rituals and incantations that’s been added to our company SOP?
> IT IS THE WILL OF THE OMNISSIAH!
> wut?
> I said it was to confuse outside observers and mystify advanced tech and add layers of superstition, so as to discourage outsiders from reverse-engineering tech we don’t want them to learn.
>… Blake, how much time have you been spending around the HPG exactly?

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SOVL

Catalyst should hire the guys from Firestorm Armada to cook up space combat game rules for Warships

>>97878643
I cannot find that Clan Invasion book listed there anywhere.

>>97878798
It's a box set, not a book.

>>97877560
I mean, yeah. All Capellan have it coming. The yellow sluts are literally made to be raped by Davion cock.

>>97878808
So it doesn't contain any rules important for using Clantech, good - got it. Thank you, Anon. You're a big help.

>>97878815
I don't believe so. I think the only rules in it apply just to the Omnis in the box and only for Alpha Strike, but I also don't own it so I cannot verify.

>>97878822
Your input is a good help regardless, as I am slowly chipping away at and working on running a Mechwarrior campaign for friends. One of the ideas was making the players a sibko and training them to survive their Trial of Position, so I was worried whether I would need anything specific for them. On that note, thread question. What would be a good choice of Clan for a Mechwarrior player group?
>Hard Mode: Can't be one of the Invasion Four

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>>97878841
The Invasion Four are lame, and worst Clans. I personally picked Steel Vipers, but they're hyper-isolationists who tolerate no failures and don't even field sohlama so they might not be the path you want to go.

>>97878841
Clan goliath scorpion.

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>>97877924
Brother! I just finished cleaning the last of these and will be priming once weather permits.

>>97878841
unironically
>>97878921
Is probably your best bet, because if you're not going to hit the sphere in Operation REVIVAL you're either sitting around with your dick in your hand doing inter-clan trials, or you're with the Scorpions and doing Seeker shit, and unless you've got a really great handjob one of these is going to be a lot more boring than the other.

>>97878470
That got me curious. What happens when you jump when the toads are on your mech?

>>97878932
The toads fall off.

What the hell the Albatross' 'beak' supposed to represent?

>>97879052
Just an armored cowl over the cockpit.

>>97879052
A place to put your deck chair.

>>97879059
But the albatross doesn't have that quirk.

Going back to the discussion about systems and star charts, having learned that the Green Stone system being added into star charts during the Third Succession War as it was renamed Clayborne and a part of the Circinus Federation at the time (it being one of many systems removed from star charts when the Second Succession War ended in 2864), I must wonder: was this recognized by nation-states across known space besides the Circinus Federation or do other Periphery powers and the Succession States don't?

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We played a scenario in the War of 3039 tonight. Scored my first Highlander Burial against the accursed Fedrats!
Dragon Status: HONORED

>>97879148
Comstar Cartographic Corps pretty much decides for everyone if something is important enough to be on the map and what it's called.

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>>97879164
Fuckin' nice!

>>97879148
The Successor States don't recognize the CF as a whole, but the Periphery, particularly the Marian Hegemony, does. Similarly to many worlds formerly of the RWR that didn't get sucked into the LC, I doubt anyone kept tabs on it.

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>>97879179
My friend designed a scenario where the AFFS had descended on an insignificant border world called New Jameson without real resistance only for a scout lance to run into a Sword of Light demi lance riding in with both advanced and ancient weaponry.
I had an experimental Grand Dragon, and upgunned Charger, and a Highlandet against a Battlemaster, Centurion, Wolfhoud, Banshee, and Jaegermech (these last two already damaged, survivors of the earlier encounter with the SoL). The sole Davion ‘Mech to escape was the Centurion. I lost the Grand Dragon to an ammo explosion that took out its XL engine.

>>97879148
I imagine if you have any reason to go into the periphery you're either using military charts that aren't beholden to public ones or you're using a "local" jumpship that knows the conditions of that part of the periphery.

>>97879164
90 t hugelander v 55 t wolverine.

yet more evidence of the superiority of the griffin. silly wolverine thought he could go toe to toe with an assault. possibly a former hunchback pilot...

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>>97879204
That was an 85-ton Battlemaster that got roflstomped by the Kuritan Highlander (courtesy of Myndo Waterly).
I also bullied the shit out of that Battlemaster at every opportunity.

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>>97879204
Rent free

>>97879250
silly wolverine.

>>97879208
what is a battlemaster except a big fat wolverine?

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>>97879274
A stud even House lords ride into battle.

>>97879274
What an odd thing to post

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>>97879290
still not as beautiful as griffin, even though it is trying to ape griffin.
>>97879298
Griffin supremacy!

>>97877057
Gauss rifles in Tabletop and MW5 :>

Gauss Rifles in MWO big piece of shit.

>>97878283
(You)

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>>97879303
Imagine being this threatened by a handsome lad like Wolverine. Roundfacers should stick to guarding old ladies in chairs, it'll be hard living for sensitive folks in the Inner Sphere.

>>97879442
>MWO big piece of shit.
This is universal

>>97879442
It's amusing that AC/2s in MWO have over five times the fire rate of tabletop AC/2s and they're still mediocre at best.

>>97879552
Sticking 3 AC/2's on a Hunchback tho.

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>>97879572
Makes a not-Hunchback?

Chadow Hawk

>>97879572
The standards for facetime weapons are just so fucking high in MWO's alpha strike twitch shooting peeking meta that regular AC/2s don't cut it, you need RACs at least, and you'll still get absolutely bodied by any decent high alpha peeker unless you have extremely favorable circumstances.

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>>97879592
hunchless
dehunched

>>97878922
I'd love to see how your battle armor turns out and also the schemes you do them in
I love the design of those silverbacks, something about them is just so cool to me

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>>97879614
Blasphemy

>>97879598
Sticking 2 RAC/5's on a Hunchback is dangerously zased.

>>97875032
>what's your unusual iconic match-up/rivalry
RoTS vs Valkyrate

>>97874571
I always wondered if mechs could work in a setting involving guerrilla jungle warfare
They seem too entrenched in conventional warfare

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>>97879742
In a limited sense, certainly, as long as your logistics holds up.

>>97879742
>I always wondered if mechs could work in a setting involving guerrilla jungle warfare
Nigga never watched 8th MS Team

>>97878694
The space combat rules are actually pretty good as is.

The problem with space combat is that there's basically only two levels of design optimisation: Targe and Hellstar.

If they could just be bothered to go back and unfuck all the shitty designs the problem would be solved. But it's CGL, so...

>>97878694
>hire the guys from Firestorm Armada
>He doesn't know

>>97875274
They appear to be having cash flow issues. They where supposed to be putting on a big display to rival GW at the UK games expo, but they wouldn't pay for the table up front and instead wanted to pay afterwards. The organisers told them no and when CGL insisted they booted them to the free zone where you basically a demo table.

>>97879841
Qrd?

>>97879845
The free zone?

>>97879845
Nothing carving away their mob of DEI hire parasites wouldn't solve.

>>97879845
You're talking about Salute, right? I had a friend going there and the Battletech table was a dingy demo table with a bunch of stuff randomly and haphazardly put around. I ran better demo tables by myself, for chrissakes.
They also had nothing to buy, because selling your stuff is apparently impossible to organize.
I fully understand that being Euro is a cardinal sin for CGL and we're worse than niggers, but it's seriously aggravating at times.

>>97879859
Basically the poors bit of the expo, it free to set up in, you just need to book a table in advance. It's used for smaller companies and start ups to try and generate some interest in their games.

>>97879868
Agreed, but they have to realise this fact themselves

>>97879879
No, the big UK Games Expo in Birmingham.
https://www.ukgamesexpo.co.uk/
They where supposed to be doing a massive display that was larger than GW. It does sound more and more like there have been cash flow issues and financial mismanagement, especially after how popular Battletech has become.

>>97879879
>and we're worse than niggers
Don't pin the blame for CGL's incompetence on yourselves, Europe might be an ongoing dumpster fire to do business with but lack of preparedness by the guest isn't the host's responsibility. Whomever CGL was supposed to be who CGL event-liaised with probably never even got contacted and never got asked the right questions even had they been, or CGL didn't bother to read over the event statement outlining how to conduct business, it's normally in an info packet sent in advance.

>>97879303
>>97879487
See
>>97869421

>>97879902
Trying Too Hard

>>97879879
>I fully understand that being Euro is a cardinal sin for CGL and we're worse than niggers, but it's seriously aggravating at times.
We're talking about the folks who also have a long history of letting license holders take the reins and do whatever the fuck makes the most sense for their market though.

>>97879895
Ah, that's even worse then. Two in a row.
>>97879900
See, I know it's borderline rage-baiting, but I seriously see a basic problem of civility and honesty when you keep bleating about "inclusion" and "growing the hobby" and everything out of the US gets shafted.
I'm not joking when I say the people I play with are the only Battletech players in like a 400km radius in Yuropistan: because if someone wants to play historicals, he orders them online and gets them. He wants to play 40k? He goes to a fucking GW shop and buys them. He wants to play Btech? Hopefully he knows how to print or to salvage stuff from insane Amazon listings or failing German online shops, and also manage the utterly retarded Forcepack situation, because simply starting is an hassle.
Not even the Germans play Btech as they used to, and everywhere else the situation is a wasteland. Diversity is diversity just when it's in America, right?