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>>97876733
>TQ: what was your first commander?
For this color combination, it was either this or Doran.

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>TQ
First commander I made, I was a retard who was trying to make a 60 card golem tribal deck already when I started playing so I had all of the splicers and a few other cards already.
He's fun, but for some reason bant just makes me fall asleep.

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>>97876733
>TQ
I started Magic playing standard in 2017, so I was partial to the timmysaurs

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>TQ
Technically it was Horde of Notions but the first one I built myself was Orah

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Some of you are alright, don't come to Commander Day

>>97876804
Collector Ouphe
Winter Moon
I pay the 1.

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>POV: You're playing blue or cards from Secrets of Troonhaven

>>97876854
Can I get a pass for playing the black Paradigm spell?

It's so fucking good

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>>97876760
He's one of the more recent decks that I made.
To make it more interesting, I made it Arcane sub themed then called it Splice Splice Baby. Which was both more challenging to build and gave the deck way more creative interactions.

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>TQ

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>TQ
Berit was my first.
Had her in a bounce control deck.
Saw how my friends were reacting to her though so I switched her out for Chromium later.

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

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>>97876733
>TQ
the first legendary I got at all. I ended up trading him for an entire RDW deck. at least everything involved in the transaction is now under a dollar, but it was like 25 bucks at the time.
downloading this image made me notice they rebalanced the blue in the image for some reason.

>>97876868
Seems like a fun take on it.

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>>97876733
It was either this or Sharuum, I forget which.

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>prefer to build b4 decks and optimise my gameplay
>friends prefer b2~3, or are generally more casual, or have less money
>I can't play my decks, because they'll never win

Been thinking of just building "bad" commanders, Phelddagrif being the first on the list.
Is there a fun way to pilot him? I mainly want to control the board, and survive while also allowing my friends to play their decks and their cards.
My goal should still be to win, but without making my friends feel bad. Stax and the like is disallowed, combos are fine as long as they thematically fit.

Any tips on where to start? Any cards that I absolutely should include?
Bonus points if the card is more niche, as I likely know about most of the cards already.

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Gimme some ideas for how to cook a Tannuk deck. My basic gameplan is to get him out ASAP, slap people with big dick red/artifact creatures with nasty ETB, and have some added utility in the deck like Sunbird's Invocation, Sarkhan's Unsealing, and Indistrial Advancement. I'll probably also throw in Conjurer's Closet and Sindial to cheat the warp exile.

Besides the obvious shit like Blightsteel and Ancient Copper, what other stuff should I be considering?

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>tq
Just now getting back into magic after like 15 years of not playing, I used to love building decks around Jarad and Grimgrin but I didn't realize that Commander was already a thing

So I bought picrel's precon

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>>97876944

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>>97876958
ETBs with discover i think are pretty good

>>97876983
Shit you're right. I was so focused on giant robots and dragons that I forgot Etali and his gang existed. Time for more free shit.

>>97876804
Nice fakes.

Don't sit at my table

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>>97876733
>TQ
Shadowborn Apostle.dek
I thought it would be cool to have a "demonic toolbox" for any situation and to make deals and stuff with other players and then just ended up tutoring for the same 2-3 demons every game. Then they printed Razaketh and it got even worse and I took it apart shortly thereafter.

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>TQ
Picrel.
Juri's a pretty fun commander.
He gets out early, and people tend to ignore him because he's really low-impact.
But his interaction changes late game when people start realizing that their life total is just about equal to his power.
I've had a lot of good times with this clownfuck.

>>97877052
Imagine paying thousands for cardboard and then simping for the company that scammed you.

>>97876733
I wish this card didn't suck. I want a Satan deck

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>>97877052
The funny thing is even if you owned these cards, some autistic anti-proxy fag would try to stop you from using them by claiming they are "proxies"
And no sane person is taking true duals and cradles out of sleeves to do tests on them.

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>>97876733
>TQ
In like 2013. It didn't go far. I wish she wasn't so out matched in 2026.

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>bracket 3??
>ok I rolled highest I’ll go first
>t1 surveil
>t2 sol ring reanimate jin gitaxis
>fow the only turn 2 removal anyone had
>we discard our hands
>he beacons bolas citadel out of his gy (drew 7 on his end step!)

>>97877194
Turn 4 jin in B3 is fine, right? I do that

>>97877194
>Allowed 3 GC
>Managed to get all three of them out in turn 2
Seems fishy, but is what it is.
>>97877220
>Says clearly turn 2 Jin

>>97877224
I am aware what he said. I am asking if turn 4 is ok if turn 2 isn't.

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>mfw my opponent interacts with me outside of bracket 4

What's some spicy tech you like and think is underplayed?

What win conditions should you use in UG land-draw pile like tatyova / Aesi?

>>97877249
Maze's end

>>97877254
Wait this might be gas

>>97874881
You're proving my point that commander players aren't willing to pay even 1 more mana for land ramp outside of green.

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>>97876733
>TQ
The King of Fling
Who is has sadly been dissembled for quite some time but lives on in Bruse Tarl + Gilanra Big Lard Tribal

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>>97877246
>free sac outlet
>walls voltron decks
>gets around hexrpoof/shroud
>harder to remove than artifacts
This goes in any W deck with tokens.

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>>97876733
>TQ: what was your first commander?
Freyalise!

>>97877245
You know he posts on /v/

>Says my deck is a 3 on commandersalt
>Doesn't have any GCs in it
>Take out a true dual and a fetch
>Now its a bracket 1
This site is weird.

>>97877472
>says it is bracket 3 when it doesn't meet any criteria for bracket 3
weird

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>>97877246
Mirror of Life Trapping.
It's a lite-stax piece that doubles enter triggers and can even perma someone's commander if played correctly.
It's got a surprising number of synergies for what it does, especially in bounceflicker, but its price point isn't even worth the cardboard it's printed on.

Well regardless of how good it actually is, it's definitely a spicy card. There's better alternatives, but nothing's quite like it.

>>97877477
A strength of a 3 isn't soley on GCs my guy.

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>>97877472
Okay but how does your deck perform after you takeout your true dual and fetchs tho.

>>97877482
>Nooo you have duals and fetches so it is bracket 4!
No where in the bracket criteria does it list anything about the lands you use. Criteria is no two card infinites, no super early wins, and limited or no GCs. If it does not hit this criteria then it isn't bracket 3/4. "You dropped this scary creature early on" doesn't matter. It isn't violating any criteria.
If you use criteria like this then brackets are entirely up to interpretation.

>>97877494
Probably about the same to be honest.

>>97877504
Then why not just take them out?

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>>97876733
>TQ
Played a pile of bad artifacts I had like Arsenal Thresher and Tower Gargoyle against my buddy's Experiment Kraj deck.
Good times.

>>97877509
Why would you?

>>97877509
I am, Its just weird to me that two lands cause it to go up too full brackets.
>>97877520
I'm building a 2. I don't want to use too many card that are unlikely to ever appear in precons. I'm already pushing it with a shock land and a few other cards.

>>97877534
>Its just weird to me that two lands cause it to go up too full brackets.
Depends who you ask.

>>97877520
Because they're the optimal lands and one of the bracket criterias is how optimized your deck is. So designing your deck with less powerful lands is an easy way to lower your bracket.
If you don't care about brackets, then sure, leave them in. Who gives a shit what commander salt thinks?

>TQ
Riku as some jank hybrid artifact/clone/etb deck. it was bad but it had dockside in it lol
>>97877534
>I am, Its just weird to me that two lands cause it to go up too full brackets.
People get really really upset if you play a Tundra instead of a Hallowed Fountain despite them being only about a 5% power difference between them if you genuinely consider 2 life a cost. We have so many pretty decent extremely mildly conditional duals that come in untapped for various reasons or produce both colors for various reasons at this point that OG Duals are mostly just a flex and are sick if you show them to people.
Arguably one of the types of cards that are the most cringe to proxy and yet the coolest to see in their real form.

>>97877551
But they aren't against the bracket criteria

What will happen is you'll get into an argument in person because your definition varies from other players.

>>97877566
there being*

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>>97876733
>TQ: what was your first commander?
Nearly every permanent untapped him, so I would just tap/untap/tap/untap him several times per turn to lock the entire table down. Had like 20 counterspells. Fisher Price My First Control Deck and it was fucking trash

>>97877566
>Arguably one of the types of cards that are the most cringe to proxy and yet the coolest to see in their real form
I'd love to hear this explained.

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>>97876733
>TQ
Friend gave me a deck with his Ixalan bulk. I still have it, just upgraded and with the new Brass at the helm.

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>240 dollary doos in foil
What in the god damn

>>97877587
What's need to be explained? Its cringe to just make a goodstuff pile deck with nothing but proxied true duals and fetches for all of the colors..
Someone actually doing them with genuine articles is rare and neat to see.
Sounds like he struck a nerve though.

>>97877613
nta but that seems retarded

>>97877569
>But they aren't against the bracket criteria
Not explicitly. Depends on how far you actually read into their rationale for each of the brackets.
One of the things they focus on is staples and optimization, which the higher you go with that the more it leans into competitive.
But Commandersalt is a statistics site that doesn't really have room for anything that nebulous or poorly defined, so it just labels fetches and true duals as staples and calls it a day.

>>97877587
i can't really sum it up better than >>97877613 did
if you proxy all of your true duals, then you proxy all of your fetches so you can make sure you play your true duals, then it's off to the races for every other thing that effectively strips your deck of any identity or pleasure in playing it beyond going "LOOK AT IT" lmao
I own a Tundra, I've had people ask to hold it when I play it because it's the first time they've seen a real one. There's a prestige to these things, earned or not, that gives them flair.
douse yourself in glitter if you must, but don't think we'll mistake you for gold lol
>>97877608
I think the Blurza from that one

>>97877625
>Another changshopper has entered the chat.

>>97877435
It's just GotC poster when people realize he's actually just baiting.

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I rebuilt my Sauron deck to have a bigger focus on reanimation but i need some help please.
https://moxfield.com/decks/8Zcdp9T6AEyuPWvV0EcSVQ
I want to fit in a Lotus Petal, another reanimation target and ideally another reanimation spell too, but idk what i could possibly cut for those.
Anyone have any ideas?

>>97877633
desu how would you ever even know if they were real or just good fakes and the guy is a liar?

>>97877587
>>Arguably one of the types of cards that are the most cringe to proxy
NTA, but I make proxies for my friends from time to time.
I pretty much cringe any time they ask me to make true duals or fetches. Like, just go grab a piece of card board and draw your own lame little volcanic island. If you don't care about people judging you, then just own it.

>>97877632
Your mind set is genuinely retarded and falls apart to the most basic forms of logic. It is also rife with contradiction.

>>97877647
>Good fakes
Its pretty obvious to spot a real true dual and chinese counterfeit just looking in a sleeve. 30 year old cards don't look like they were printed yesterday with 0 age and shiny as fuck.
If you really want to sand you bootlegs all weekend and then leave them in a window for 2 weeks to gain some sun damage just so you can try and look cool fooling people, go for it, but ask yourself why you are going through so much trouble, and you'll see how cringe it is.
Its more cringe than going to the LGS with sharpie on a basic.

>>97877658
No shit, he's a tripfag and posts solely for attention.

>>97877677
Surely you won't mind submitting to a loupe test? Otherwise you can't use them against me.
>just trust me bro
No.

>>97877658
>man covered in glitter proclaims himself gold
Ok

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Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd dead. It's that easy for a handsome vampire stud to shoot your uggo chud commander dead like a dog. Next time make the right decision and play someone who isn't an eyesore and I MIGHT have mercy on you.

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>TQ

Most of the time I won by doing Zombie spam rather than use him lmao

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>>97876733
Muldrotha. I came from Yu-Gi-Oh so the idea of playing a deck that played out of the grave appealed to me and she did it exactly. Filled it full of zombies I found and did it zombie tribal.

>>97877658
>It is also rife with contradiction.
Such as

>>97877738
Trip back on

>>97877739
Not him + not an argument + L.

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>>97876733
>tq

>>97877551
That's not how brackets work sorry bro

>>97877787
Why are you apologizing to me?
I'm not the one who made commander salt and already told you ignore it if you feel like it.

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>tq
It's (o:dungeon OR o:initiative) the deck, with a party sub-theme, but this is what got me to try Magic. No regrets so far.

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>>97876733
First commander I ever used period was Brimaz from the Orzhov Phyrexia precon
First commander I ever used in a deck I built myself was Mycotyrant, it wasn't good at all but I still like him

>>97877613
It's more cringe to say it's fine for people to play goodstuff decks with true duals if they bought them.

>>97877825
How so?
They invested the money at the least, and time over collecting at best to acquire them at most.. Why is it cringe to use cards you own? How is it less cringe to use cards you don't actually own just because they are strong?

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>>97877551
>>97877626
The bracket system explicitly makes an exception for manabase quality in its qualifications. You're allowed to have a perfectly optimized manabase in a bracket 1 deck.

>>97877831
>The bracket system explicitly makes an exception for manabase quality in its qualifications
"There are no hard-and-fast rules" is the opposite of being explicit. If anything, that's aggressively avoiding the question, which is why commander salt just make up its own answer and called them "staples".

>>97877828
Paying to win is the gayest and cringiest shit imaginable. If you think true duals are strong enough that it irks you if someone brings a proxied one to the table then you don't get to play one just because the one you bought was made 30 years ago instead of 30 days ago.

>>97877919
>Paying to win is the gayest and cringiest shit imaginable
>While paying to win through counterfeits is somehow not exactly the same, only worse because you're buying fake cards to do it.
>Entire game is about buying and collecting cards with the best on your collection, so its cringe to engage with the hobby as its intended.
I fully understand you feel called out, and you should, you were, but this is just cope.

>>97877956
>so its cringe to engage with the hobby as its intended

So you only use cards you cracked from packs or traded from players who also cracked theirs from packs right? Because that was the actual intention of the game, if you use the secondary market you're already defying Magic as garf intended.

Thanks for admitting you actually have no logical counter argument to being a paytowintard though and have to resort to vague metrics and hyperbolic strawmanning because you can't defend your faggot mindset.

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Ban all reserved list cards
Ban all game changers (and former game changers)
Ban Sol Ring
Ban Esper Sentinel
Ban Mystic Remora

Did I save the format?

>>97878010
No

>>97878010
Only the first suggestion is good.

>>97878010
Is saved supposed to be slang for "killed"?

>>97878010
>didn't ban command tower
shameful.

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>>97878010
>Ban all reserve list
The timmies fear me.

Help pls i'm genuinely at a loss
>>97877642

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>>97876733
Is there something here or am I tripping?

>>97878094
You never need worn powerstone.

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>>97876733
Still have him since 2016

>>97878113
Yes i do since my goal is to cast Sauron on turn 4 as often as possible.

>>97876804
nice which Chinese dude made those? they look great for this potato image. still haven't settled on which one I want to order from.

btw the biggest giveaway is that mox diamond from the relics was only in foil. I know because I bought it for $70 back in 2010/2011 when scalpers bought all the $35 relic boxes and sold them piecemeal 1 by 1 on eBay. still have mine

>>97876804
oh and almost forgot, legendary cube is an MTGO only set (set icon for Rhystic)

>>97878098
wow a seething song reprint that puts you DOWN 1 net mana. truly revolutionary! incredible design. thank you GōtC!!!

>>97878010
I wholeheartedly disagree based entirely off the image you attached to your post

>>97878098
No, that is in fact an infinite combo. Feels a bit clunky, but not terrible I guess.

>>97878150
Every extra combat, you need spare (real) mana to activate the initial Seething Song though.

>>97877919
It's not about strength. True Duals are pretty much the same as a shock, it's the desperate need to fake the cool old card despite your myriad options. True duals are the gateway drug to proxying entire goodstuff piles because you don't have any provenance for these things.

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>>97878126
Not him, but Usea has always been good for me. They even got the right faded look for revised cards. I'd say use BLM (since he curates everything), but he hasn't restocked in a while.

>>97878098
And how are you paying for the seething song each combat phase?

>>97878175
see >>97878164

>>97878181
Oh you beat me to it.

>>97878098
I think you need something like a Leyline Tyrant to "hold" your mana

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>>97878126
I just got mine from printingproxies, they had an easter discount

They look and feel almost indistinguishable from the real thing

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Faking OG duals seems trite to me.
If you're playing cEDH, then there's no point since it's a proxy friendly.
Shocks, surveils, and even tango (or basics) do like 90% of the job anyway.
Obviously you're playing fetches too (You) fucking degenerate.
Outside of cEDH, counterfeit duals just add unneeded potential buyfag scrutiny for very little payoff.

>>97878208
It's extremely cringe to do it outside of Cedh.

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>>97878208
Don't care + didn't ask + my lgs allows proxies + paying thousands of dollars for a single piece of cardboard is gay + reserved list is gay + you're gay

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>>97878227
I didn't say don't buy counterfeits, I just said counterfeit OG duals are dumb.

>>97878208
I use chink fakes of stuff (usually the fancy prints of ahocks/fetches, ancient tomb, etc), and I've found you can get by without issue as long as you're not a spaz.
>don't proxy anything ludicrously rare (e.g. numbered cards, beta prints, etc)
>double sleeve everything
>be friendly
>if people ask to look, tell them something like "sure dude, just be gentle with it!"
My LGS prohibits proxies (WPN store that has been hassled in the past), and I've never once had an issue. I even had a guy who had real deal duals look at one of mine and not spot that it was fake. Basically if I have a card that is over $5, it's a fake.

You shouldn't bother arguing with chang. All he does is hang out and talk about buying proxies from china and how normal and based it is all the time. He's too stupid to buy an ad even if he would, so the best thing to do is not encourage him.

>Swordfag was a reasonable poster again
I hate this timeline.

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>>97878246
I'm all for /ourguys/ BL, Ron, and USea.
I've been called out for some shitty ones some years ago, but production is much better in the year of our lord 2020+6.

>>97878247
Someday Shovelco will save us.

>>97878227
>paying thousands of dollars for a single piece of cardboard is gay
But paying hundreds of dollars for fake cardboard is le based, as long as it goes to glorious china

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>>97878277
I'll just pay less than 7 cents a card to make my own shitty proxies. Fuck china.

>>97878277
Do you want to play the game or be an investor?

>>97878235
counterfeit duals are the best ones though because a land card shouldn't cost 1200. or 500. maybe $120 tops for the. best one (underground sea).

its no one's fault;t except gōtC that theres going to be tons of real-passing counterfeit duals out there– and thats a good thing

>>97878298
>A land shouldn't cost
You literally don't ever need a true dual.

>>97878277
I mean paying like $25 (shipped) to CHY NA to get literally $5000 worth of game value DOES seem based

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>It's another proxy debate episode

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I HATE BLUEFAGGOTS

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>>97878298
>real-passing
None of the big 3 Changs make "great" ones.
>muh FWB
obvious tell at this point
Also >>97878303
Just play shocks, surveils, and fetches faggo

>>97878308
>Validate meeeee! What's I'm doing is so heckin' based tho! VALIDATE MEEE!
Its all so tiresome.

>>97878313
People try to use fake FWB? Just use Revised and call it a day. You can get away with a lot of shit with them due to the colors being inconsistent (some pale, some fine, some kinda in the middle).

Can you retards just ignore and filter the proxy spammer and talk about the game?
It's literally every day with this shit, nobody cares and nobody will change their mind.

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>>97878323
>You can get away with a lot of shit
Maybe in EDH.
REL is another story, hence FWB being the standard for connivers.

>>97878332
I've played in tournaments with fakes before (sanctioned events with prizes like collector boosters), but nothing on the high levels. There's way too much sweaty autism up there.

>>97878351
>I've played in tournaments with fakes before (sanctioned events with prizes like collector boosters)
Were they modern era cards?

>>97878303
I want a dual because I like the little zooming in lines artwork and I like the names- Bayou, Taiga, Volcanic Island, Savannah [Bond] these are all fun things

bloodstained mire is stupid. Fetid Heath is stupid

Godless shrine and Temple Garden have some good flavor though. Everglades, while useless is very cool

>>97878332
exactly. unless you want to convince them you bought a badlands or scrublands for its current price if your English language dual land doesn't look 20 years old that will spoil it right then and there for you

>>97878358
You have confused "a need" for "a want."

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>>97878358
>I want a dual because I [want to LARP as a buyfag]
Do you at least look like you're not poor? Like you work salary and not hourly?

>>97878357
I use a mix. If there's modern options, I go for them. You actually want to opt for foils unless there's a giant price gap, because foils block the light test. That being said, if you got to the point that you're unsleeving cards you fucked up.

>>97878366
Aging cards is easy.
>use a super high grit sandpaper (1000+) and GENTLY rub the card to wear it down slightly
>chip the edges with a tougher grit, focusing on the corners
>use finely ground grinds from your morning coffee with a bit of water and rub it on the face of the card, let it sit for a bit, then wipe off (this stains and acid damages the cards a bit)
>repeat until aged to your preference

>>97878326
There isn't much else to talk about right now.
Which, is sad, but if we talk about the new set, these retards are just going to pivot to talk about politics.

>>97878289
she cute

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OK new topic:

Do you like the anime alt cards?

>>97878415
Not worth the money. If I pulled one I'd use it, but other than that don't care.

>>97878415
Some of them are okay
Many of them look worse than the art they're replacing
Some of them are so bad they're sub-yugioh level
A lot of them don't reflect the effect of the card very well, such as the one you posted

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For me, it's Mr. Krabs

>>97878428
That'll be 400 dollars
plus tip

>>97878429
I'll buy Chang's for a dollar

>>97878378
im a musician so I already dont work and look cool. so yes I either look poor but cool or dont look poor (nike puma north face stuff)

and no its not that I want to look like a buy fag I just want to use good cards that I have on MTGO in person that are either too expensive to bring out in public with randoms. like to have a 1:1 deck for what it costs to build in MTGO vs paper if you didnt buy some of these cards 15 years ago (Mox Diamond was $35 brand new with 19 other foil artifacts including sol ring and sword of body & mind) and then scalped for $75 on eBay- nothing close to the beater-car-price of today

same thing the foreign language duals no one wanted that janky shit in 2008, 09, 10. plus commander was not really that big then at all. I didn't play. it once until the 2010s


tl;dr im gonna use them because I DO own them and got them when they were cheap

>>97878435
I think this was a run on sentence but anyway to build the same deck on MTGO with all the duals in a 3 color pair + mox diamond + chrome mox + lotus petal + whatever other good shit demonic tutor, force of will etc costs less than $100 on MTGO. In person at current prices the deck is like $4000

>>97878415
no but they are good for making people seethe when the person who wins the game has 17 treasures and you ask why they won and its this goofy ass anime girl with vampire teeth

>>97878415
Yes they look vastly superior to goyslop marvel-fied modern MTG art.

>>97878446
then dont use modern cards you tasteless pig

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For me, it's Turtles

>>97878482
>some guy barfing up coins
>rich OHOHOHOHO rich anime girl shaming the poorfag with her wealth
The choice is clear.

>>97878490
Porn addiction.

>>97878485
Hold up, there's a yellow turtle? Is that some later addition?

>>97878485
I'm seeing double here! Five turtles!

>>97878415
I want them, but feel like I can print anything if I print a proxy and wouldn't spend the price for this.
They should realize how popular Smothering Tithe Anime Woman is and make a Legendary Creature out of her.

>>97878482
Or i just use cards with japanese artists

>>97878504
They would do this but give the art commission to some genderless cali goblina.

>Now we're going back to identity politics
They literally can't help their obsessed asses.

>>97878504
>Rich Bitch
>3W
>Human Noble
>when Rich Bitch enters the battlefield, create a 1/1 White Butler token
>whenever Rich Bitch attacks, create X treasure tokens, with X being the difference between your treasure tokens and the opponent's
>Metalcraft Riches - create a 1/1 White Admirer token each time yoy gain a treasure token.

>>97878526
I mean it's a huge influence on the direction of the game, makes sense that it comes up

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Would you get an official Panty & Stocking secret lair ? What cards could the Demon Sisters be. Honekoneko as a treasure token or maybe Pantie's panties?

>>97878534
No.

>>97878534
As long as it didn't have hideous western art. The problem I have with secret lair is 99% of them are either useless trash cards or beyond hideous art.

>>97878550
They did Miku so dirty

>>97878555
She got absolutely fucked with how many of the cards look like Tumblr rejects. A few are really nice though, like Swan Song.

>>97878563
cumand tower also not bad. They made the best one snapcaster mage impossible to get...fuckign hate wotc.

>>97878493
Jennika, a reformed Foot ninja who was a human ally of the turtles for about 5 years before she got an emergency blood transfusion from Leo that mutated her.

>>97878567
Getting blood from the turtles mutates you into one?
Wtf they're biohazards and need to die

>>97878586
Shut up Shredder.

>>97878566
Snapcast and Command Tower are JP artists, which is why they look good.

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>>97878010
You came out to your parents. Congrats!

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>>97878534
Part of her face being covered by the mana symbol is bugging me since last night, so here have this if you want it.

Speaking of Shredder, what's actually the way to build Super Shredder?
Do you just run him with an aristocrats engine or is he primarily a voltron equip commander?
I've heard people mention him as a voltron guy but idk how great he really is for that.

>>97878601
godspeed anon.

>>97878602
He's aristocrats all the way. Given that he gets juiced from ANYTHING leaving the game, fetches and landfall makes him to barshit crazy. My favorite interaction is how a player dying is counted as leaving the battlefield, so Shredder gets a giant boost if someone loses.

>>97878618
But what does he actually accomplish in aristocrats?
He's just a big menace vanilla creature that gets chump blocked pretty easily.
I feel like in voltron he's missing enough procs and in aristocrats he doesn't really do anything besides getting big.

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>>97878625
You give him a pair of nice shoes and send him on his merry way.

>>97878531
I was thinking
>Ikihime, Rich Bitch
>3W
>Legendary Creature - Human Noble
>Ward - Gift a treasure to this card's owner
>When an opponent draws a card outside of the draw phase, you creature a Treasure token.
>Treasures you control have exalted.

>>97878644
>Displaying Wealth - you and target opponent reveal your hands. You gain X treasure tokens, where X is the difference in foil cards between your and your opponent's hands

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>>97878602
Hey, baby.

Settle an argument. Can frontline medic only counter spells explicitly with "X in it value, or can it counter any spell. Because everyone saying it can be any value and the person using the spell has to pay three, but I looked it up and the ruling I found says it explicitly has to have an "X" in its cost.

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>>97878534
Speaking of smut proxies, which commander fits her best?

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>>97876733
>TQ
This guy. Me and my friends picked up the precons at walmart and played with them, unsleeved and unedited, as God intended.

I don't know where that deck is now, but all the cards are beat to shit.

>>97878670
Something in boros because it is the sluttiest color

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>>97878669
The card literally fucking says "with X in its mana cost" how are Magic players this fucking stupid

>>97878669
>but I looked it up and the ruling I found says it explicitly has to have an "X" in its cost.
Why are you asking us then? The ruling is the ruling.

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>>97878669
I almost had an aneurysm trying to understand how someone could get confused by this card.
But use the phrasing in mana tithe for reference.
It's saying for the X cost spell to resolve, you need to pay an additional 3 to whatever you paid for X. "X cost" in this case is just specifying the type of spell, similar to saying "Counter non creature spell."
NOT that you can't counter a spell when X=3.

>>97878711
>>97878715
The player arguing that it can counter anything, even if it doesn't explicitly state "X" has been playing magic for like 15 years and we're all relatively new, but we're starting to notice that he'll argue against anything thats particularly inconvenient for him.

He played a shitty phase-out deck 3 weeks ago, but when someone else played it he had a fit and started claiming they were phased out only until someone elses upkeep not your own upkeep, despite claiming the opposite when he was playing phase out.
He gotten progressively more argumentative as people are starting to get better, and had a fit about a board wipe tonight, and got into a big argument about his frontline medic being able to counter anything, not just needing an "X" in its cost.

>>97878736
Well, he's a retard and knows he's a retard and likely is just trying to bully you because he wants to win that bad. The card is very clear. "counter any spell with "X" in its mana cost unless the play the troll toll."

>>97878670
Witchblade got a cartoon? Neat. I think about that haunted vagina panel sometimes.

>>97878749
>Witchblade got a cartoon?
Like in 2007 or some shit

>>97878711
the card says nothing about counters and you must have Aspergers because that was clearly a joke post. the card says you can't get counters and the joke is that the white player said the blue player couldn't play counters[pells] anymore

you may very well be what is referred to as a "mental midget"

>>97878755
says nothing about X mana values- not counters in the first instance of counters*

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i have an addiction to making decks based around modular. i love artifacts and i love +1/+1 counters. arcbound worker is one of my favourite cards. i will not stop making these decks. my goal is to have a modular deck for every colour combo out there.

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Does the effect stay active if he leaves the battlefield? If you replay and re-transform him, do you choose a new opponent?

>>97878779
>Does the effect stay active if he leaves the battlefield? I
No. You'd need some kind of counter on him or a creature giving the effect, or an emblem on them to cause the effect to persist without it on the board.

>>97876804
>Mox Diamond isn’t foil.

Peasant

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>>97878504
>They should realize how popular Smothering Tithe Anime Woman is and make a Legendary Creature out of her

They should realize waifu building is extremely popular and to stop making sets full of shitty legendaries with shitty art featuring ugly shitty characters. There's a reason why Yshtola rocketed up to the top 10. Even when waifus are built to helm objectively bad decks they can still become popular, like how Giada is still the most popular white commander and in the top 20 despite angels being an extremely shit tribe carried by cute girl art.

They're leaving literal billions on the table by not having their UW sets look like a gacha game. If they had an anime-style Best Of Magic's Girls set with Teysa and Thalia and Avacyn and Freyalise and Nissa and Chandra etc etc etc it'd be one of the best selling UW sets of all time even if the cards sucked.

>>97878779
When transformed cards are not on the battlefield, they are always the front side.
Additionally, cards with abilities like this only apply while they're in the field, and if they change zones, then their previous states no longer apply.
In other words, if he's face up, that win con doesn't apply, and you can choose different opponents when he transforms again, but not multiple opponents.

>>97878797
AGP post

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>>97878797
Truth.
>>97878810
Triggered falseflagging tranny.

>>97878818
>>97878797
Painfully obvious samefag.

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>>97876958
I think Keeper would actually be a perfect addition to the deck. I'd give you mine if I could.

>>97878797
Giada is better than I think you're giving credit, but I don't disagree with your analysis. Almost all of my decks have been based first on how cool I've found the commander and their art to be, and then whether their effect is fun to play. The only thing that has kept me from building Shorikai, Genesis Engine is that in spite of being a cool origami mech, I can't figure out yet how to make a pilots matter line on it because otherwise he's just a literal value engine in WU.

I've built Balan, Y'shtola and Neerdiv for this reason combined with waifu vibes; I'm building Vihaan because of sick art and a cool concept. Go-Shintai of Life's origin is just okay, it's an exception that I built entirely on the mechanical interest, making him much like my Mutate deck with Xavier Sal at the helm.

Put differently, a not insignificant part of Commander night is the fucking business card scene from American Psycho; people want to show and tell as much as they want to play.

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>>97878828
Calm down discord tranny.

>>97878531
good card although I think it would have to be 3RW. the generating treasure on. attacking is Ragavan the Monke or Dockside type style thing

also with one more mana it could give the white admirer tokens haste

>>97878797
I can't even say this guy is wrong because I built Azula on the sole fact I want to have sex with her.

>>97878793
which like I said said earlier is one of the dead giveaways of it being a Chinese "reprint service" since that art was only in foil from the $35 From the Vault: Relics box in 2010

that and the set icon for Rhystic Study is from an MTGO-only set

duals look good though

>>97878818
AGP samefag.

>>97878840
>FF14 player calling anyone else a discord tranny
lmao

>>97878797
ok but youre missing the core point that gōtC is ran by troon groomers who seethe at images of real women shown in a feminine and attractive style

they cant even give Tifa cleavage (which may be a product of 2020 now-fired square enix DEI troons)

the Gavin faggot does drag and the other lead of the "commander committee" is a man who thinks hes a woman and all the women in strixhaven are ugly dykes- this is their vision of what women are: men and ugly dykes

that and also anime is cancer

>>97878534
God I wanna fuck Panty.

>>97878797
Sex doesn't sell.

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>>97878849
I wanted to build Azula solely because of my weenus but I just don't like grixis or spellcasting. The fact I still am tinkering with her shows the power of waifu baiting. My next deck is Italian Tifa even though I'm basically ignoring the melee gimmick because I don't like it.

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>>97878908
I just built Azula with pump spells, it's fun but needed Kediss to actually function the way I made it. Don't care though she's hot either way.

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Why do insects suck?

What is the worst color in commander and why is it Red?

>>97878941
They don't, you are just a BUZZ kill.

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>>97878952
>you are just a BUZZ kill.

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Which way western man

>>97878946
Sometimes i wonder if it's mono-white, it's just so hard to get card advantage.

>>97878959
Go North

>>97878959
Are we just normalizing slop here now?

>>97878967
yes

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>>97878534
Panty isn't blue at all. Did this custom card for her.

>>97878959
Milked by Gitrog and Morcant

>>97878967
>now

>>97877194
I play EDH pretty casually, it's my after-work way to wind down, but I still try to build my decks with enough actions to stand a change (I'd say most of my decks are B3). I fucking hate guys like this; got into a cube with two other guys who said they both had casual decks, and then proceeded to pull out high B4 or even B5 decks. I scooped on turn 4 because it stopped being enjoyable

>>97878967
After swordfag started posting good slop, yes. Ai art is pretty good when it's mildly tempered by patience and attention. Not perfect, but you can find flaws in most digital art just as easily.

>>97879010
>After swordfag started posting good slop
Put your trip back on, you're far to obvious.

>>97878972
based

>>97879010
Praising tripfags is cringe and you should kill yourself

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>>97876733
I found pic related at a LGS. I know there is a Cyclonic Rift inside, so I bought the deck. Immediately played it out of the box and got my ass beat (it's 12 years old alright).
While playing and untapping my sol ring with the -1 ability, I noticed how Teferi combos with the Chainveil and Lithoform Engine. I checked online and apparently that is a boomer cedh deck I didn't know existed.

What should I do? Upgrade the existing precon with a few cards? Tear it apart and build a Teferi deck from scratch? Other ideas?

>>97878959
That Sisay has spunk and I'd like to give her some more.

>>97879026
I will continue to praise him as long as he posts ENF!
>>97879015
That's an awfully big L you're holding

>>97879041
Far far too obvious.

>>97879058
>I'll just double down on being a tard
Go on, say the line again! Good Ai art might be hard to come by but it kicks ass when it does. Next time he's here, I'm going to ask for moar!

>>97879030
It's genuinely all kind of shit.

As long as you keep giving them attention they'll keep acting out. Just respond to people who are actually talking about the game and all that they'll have left is their autistic circle jerk where they pretend to be having a conversation and suck each other's dicks.

Don't engage with chinese proxy sellers, the anti-woke crusaders, the AI sloppers, the performative klansmen, etc. Just talk about the game and talk to people talking about the game.

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I remember some anon in this general saying the sneak cards were going to see legacy play. How's that going?

>>97879067
You never posted any. It wasn't well done. And slop is slop.
Trip back on, etc etc. Obvious retard is obvious.

>>97879083
>TaLkInG aBoUt tHe GaMe mAkEs Me tHe gOoD gUy
Could you change the channel swordbitch?

>>97877135
I've done it. Hell its common to do in the 93/94 community.

>>97879084
Which one(s) specifically?

>>97877135
As someone who owns a true dual and several cards from beta, never once has someone accused me of using fakes. Even if they did, I don't mind having the store owner or whoever is on hand with the jeweller lens or whatever verify them. Just makes me look even cooler for having them.

>>97879115
>I don't mind having the store owner or whoever is on hand with the jeweller lens or whatever verify them.
That's weird. You'd be very much in the right to tell them to fuck off.

>>97879083
holy based

This is an excellent example. Don't be drawn into tripfag drama. Nobody gives a shit about tripfags. They're either using tripcodes correctly or they're retards; the former doesn't need corrected and the latter cannot be corrected.

On that note. I'm still trying to decide where I should focus my Vihaan deck that I mentioned earlier. I can see it kinda three ways, either just treasure matters, assassin tribal or outlaw tribal. I was considering making him theft because I really like Jasper Flint from playing Brawl on MTGA, but everyone and their mother plays theft; I think it'd be cooler to lean another way. There's a lot of cool artifact creature support coming out too that can make the assassin-treasures really nice, but I'd like to hear what other people think.

I'm not going to use Revel in Riches mind; it's a boring wincon and I'd rather take it in a more entertaining direction.

All alt win con cards should be bracket 4

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>>97879127
I say make it Treasure Matters you can sac one treasures while it's a creature with Jan Jansen to make two treasures and then use pic related to make another.

>>97879120
Maybe but there's an inherent flex to someone being proven dead wrong in front of a group. Shame people out of bad behavior and never let them forget. Not in a vitriolic way, but tease them about it.
>I'm going to play Demonic Tutor
>hey, Steve, wanna get Roger to check this one, too? No? You sure? What if it's fAaAaAaAaAaAake????

>>97879084
>>97879151
I think Skateboard has seen some play but I don't pay attention to other formats really

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>>97879175
Yeah as far as I can tell, Skateboard is a solid-1-of in a few different Urza's Saga decks. The only TMNT card that seems to be seeing any play is Super Shredder in nice black aggro decks.
I wish I knew which +1/+1 counter devil he was referring to (either pic related or Madam Null) because both seem absolutely unplayable in legacy to me.

>>97879207
*in niche

>>97879175
Cool but rude is a 4 of in rakdos discard standard.

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>>97879151
>busted legend can't even make the top 1000

It's actually impressive how little an impact Turtles had on any format. Up to release everyone was (rightly) calling out how awful a TMNT set was to shove into Magic but it came and went with basically zero influence on any part of the game. Even Spider Man still gets talked about for being a boring flop with 40 different Spider Mans.

>>97879207
I haven't payed any attention at all to this set. Is this an attempt to fix the one ring?

>>97879223
You're late, Toskifag

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I don't play arena. If you run turtles cards and lose does the game say Cowabummer?

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>>97879228
>>97879237
uh oh looks like a few people don't play duel commander

>>97879237
Sadly not.

>>97879212
Sure but we're talking legacy. I think the crocodile dude sees standard play too. TMNT is a stronger set than say Spiderman, but not by that much.

>>97879241
The few people I knew who did play duel commander switched to playing Canadian highlander a few years back fwiw. I don't know anyone personally who does duel commander anymore.

>>97879241
Whats the usual grab for this card anyway? Ulamog? Worldspine Wurm? Balefire Dragon?

>>97879252
use any big creature that affects the board because your deck is just going to ramp into the commander every single time

>>97879228
I'm guessing the lasting impact on commander will almost entirely be from The Ooze, Irma, and maybe Endless Foot Assault.

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Thinking of putting a Shantotto deck together, so I made a proxy for her

I miss swördgöd and his cool ai stuff..

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>>97877194
I reckon you should consider running this bucko

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>>97877194
brackets are formats and good on you for following the rules that can practically be followed with randos (combo turn limits and GCs), keep going king
>always remember that the people you're stomping are more afraid of farewell, punish their bad card evaluation skills

>>97879248
Duel commander has to be the faggiest version of commander ever created

Some French homo said
>I’ll just make a format where all the cards I don’t like are banned
>no mana drain
>no sensei’s top
>no modern mox
And to cap it off, the biggest way you know it’s a faggy design
>sol ring is banned

Contrast it with Canadian Highlander that uses a far superior points system, original mox and Lotus are legal, Sol ring is the same value as Mox Ruby to appease the crybabies

Shows that commander overall would be improved if brackets were changed to points allotments


B1-0 points (exhibition and pre-cons)
B2-5 points (precons and upgraded, every 3 land tutors counts as a point)
B3- 10 points
B4- no restrictions except ban list
cEDH - no restrictions and no taste

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Does this bitch evade commander tax cuz it's an alternate casting cost?

>>97879549
no

>>97879548
Sol Ring ban is great, one less "must have" cards making the format 99 cards instead of 100.
All that other shit is turbifag tho

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>>97879549
I think you still have to pay the {2} each extra time with the alternate cost

When I pic related and cast my zombo commander, first time is free, 2nd time is {2}, 3rd time is {4}

At least that’s how it is on Modo which is a rules engine (although it has thousands of bugs)

>>97879548
If you wanted Commander to be functional in any capacity you would need something far more extensive than CanLander which is pretty much only targeted at Vintage-level play. We're talking Genesys-level card evaluation which WotC will never do because they know they could functionally reprint Black Lotus tomorrow and people will just accept it as a staple.

>>97879549
No because commander tax is added after the alternate cost (same as all other added costs).
Yuriko and Derevi bypass this by not being cast.
Whatever the angel is bypasses it by stating it's explicitly a replacement for commander tax.

>>97879273
>4/4
Yeah I fucking wish lol

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>>97879567
Opposition to Sol Ring is the first sign that you should consider transitioning