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>>97883462

>thread question:
In your opinion what sets a person's homebrew from the rest of the homebrew in a positive way?

Also Ian Watson has passed away. Pour one out for him.
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Feel free to post your drilled and un-drilled barrels now faggots.
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>>97886876
Moar like Shit Eaters edition amirite?
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>>97886817
>What assets/templates etc. are you using anon?
For the book or for the renders? Book I have nothing atm but I've used Ilovepdf to get the backgrounds pics of GW books before so I'll try to see if any of my IA pdfs works. For the renders I'm just modelling them from scratch using the new 30k colour plates as reference for proportions.
>I'm still looking for a proper grainy filter for the model photos.
Photopainting is like black magic to me I wish I knew how to do it. For now I'm just starting with the colour plates and the order of battle autism. Some inked pencil sketch here and there if I like how my shit drawing skills look like.
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>>97886893
they won't
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How are your collage entries coming along, anons? Reposting mine from last night, I’m getting a late start on it but happy so far.
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>>97886899
I know.
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I like orks :D
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>>97886876
>TQ
Generally when the homebrew is by someone who actually has painted models accompanying the homebrew it makes the homebrew feel more genuine and fun to skim over.
I don't know why. Maybe it is just me.

>Ian Watson passed away
I hope this is misinformation, but to be fair most of the original lads are passing away or close to it now.
He did good for 40k. They all did.

Was or are there any big shots at GW that genuinely did good for Warhammer 40k as a whole?
Does Alan Bligh count?
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>>97886902
still waiting for the stuff to arrive, hopefully it will get here this week so I can start working on it on saturday
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>>97886902
>battle-brother of the Mandela Catalogue chapter taken out by his alternate
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>>97886914
i prefer gitz
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>>97886914
I am ambivalent about orks :|
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>>97886902
what’s the collage this month?

little lelith hesperax proxy I’m working on, but I need a different head
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>>97886893
uhhhh uhhhh POST YOURS FIRST
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>>97886939
Crucible of champions character. Optionally dead space wolf.
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>>97886876
>TQ

Consistency in their write up, models built and painted to match, and the balls to actually have their guys lose in ways that have lasting impacts.
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>>97886902
Damn, makes me wanna get a box of those warcry guys but I think they're oop.
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>>97886939
Wolves being dunked on and/or crucible character. Idk if I’ll get around to a crucible character for mine to be honest.
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>>97886939
space wolves getting destroyed or crucible character from the maelstrom book though you can have both if you like. you could paint that dude in space wolves colors and you should be good.
>>97886948
FALSE space wolves getting destroyed got first place and crucible character was added in as a secondary option to allow people who don’t own space marines or don’t want to participate in mocking someone to post their submissions.
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>>97886924
I’m glad everyone was saved from seeing that. usually this thread is covered in puke everytime it happens.
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>>97886957
Shit I was planning on dedicating the rest of this month to my defiler, would having a limb impaling a space wolf terminator be enough to submit it to the collage? I think I have a spare one on sprue from an old project
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Played a game of 5th edition on Saturday.
We were using the Cities of Death supplement, if urban warfare is your jam I wholeheartedly recommend playing this.

While I did enjoy the game, so much bullshit happened during it, holy shit..
I'll avoid spamming the thread since I'm not good at writing these things, so it's just the highlights.

As per the scenario we chose, each of us had to select a building/ruin in opposite quadrands of the map that would act as out FOBs, we had to capture the opponent's base to win the scenario. We both picked 3 stratagem cards(very flavourful, it's a fun read). One of the stratagems I picked allowed me to place several tank traps on the map to make passage impossible for vehicles(I later learned that it made the game really difficult for my friend)
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>tq

tasteful color scheme
non-retarded gimmick (although plenty of gw stuff fails at that)
A lack of over importance or need to be unique.
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>>97886973
I'm just putting a couple space wolf helmets on the knight I'm painting personally.
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Guys, there was a thing in the news recently about some literature surveying team finding some of Shakespeare's long lost works. It was so long that they needed 5 people to transport it.

It turned out they just read an 11th edition datasheet ability section.
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>>97886973
I would say so. One anon is doing orks bartering for a dead wolf’s gear. It’s pretty open for interpretation.
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Bros I can't decide if I want to start an Eldar army or an Ork army...
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>>97886992
I mean they’re both gay so either way you’re set
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Do you guys think termies will be buffed in 11th? I have my tactical termie squad and termie chaplain being useless for the longest time now.
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>>97886897
Thanks for responding!
I meant for the book. Sorry if I was too vague.
I have been looking for an image editor like Photoshop (or I might stop being scared of viruses and just pirate it) to hopefully be able to create all filters and templates within the software like the beige "parchment" background colours of the image you used in your post.

Then hopefully after that be able to take "on the ground angled" photos of miniatures and then photoshop them to look cinematic.
A grainy filter is meant to cover up amateur goofs on my part.
Not to say that the IA model photos were bad. There is a special kind of ingredient intertwined with talent those ForgeWorld graphics designers had that I lack and I hope it leaks somehow. Stuff looks deceptively simple to be honest.


But sometimes loads of photo effects can work without a filter too.
Pic related.
Pic related sauce: https://www.deviantart.com/arkurion/art/Purge-them-with-fire-Death-Korps-Heavy-Flamer-780072231

Good luck on your project anon!
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>Every model so far has ranged from OK to utter dogshit
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>>97886890
>decide to take a look at my model before posting
>see clear coffee staining on a bunch of details
shieeet. still, I’m a man of my word, and eagerly await your models, and an answer to my question that I will rephrase.
how many model posters here have coffeestained slop? the only one I can think of are MY models.
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>Trolling outside of /b/.
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>>97886999
you're ban evading you fucking cretin, take the hint already
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>>97886973
for sure, as long as its a space wolf getting dunked on in some way.
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>>97886999
Stop ban evading
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>>97887028
Im not evading they can even check, not a single device I have is banned right now. I was not even here most of the weekend because I was playing games.
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>>97887012
Such as?
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>>97886999
man, it was such a peaceful weekened without you here. isn’t it crazy, some people aren’t noticed when they’re gone, but with you in particular everyone breathes a sigh of relief?
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>>97886974
>Predator and Razorback spend 3 turns shooting eachother without anything happening, both survive until the end of the game
>Scouts move in the open to run to the next set of ruin to place a homer beacon for the Terminators to drop in and maul the Rhino carrying BA veterans and the Baal Predator next to it, roll a 2 and get stuck in an open field
>they place the beacon and brace for the hell that's to come
>Tiberius, scout sargeant that survived my previous game against the same opponent, is the last person standing after Baal Predator opens fire, he will survive the game and has earned himself a purity seal as a reward
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>>97886996
decalfag...
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>>97886999
Fuck off forever.
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>>97887032
>I was playing games
[X]
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>>97887015
I think my boys mog yours but I still like yours and love your positive energy here, didn't know it was you.
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>>97887042
only after the collage is posed, I want him to see it
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>>97886992
orks are getting a massive wave and models for cheap, so it would be smarter to go with them.
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>>97887058
try not to respond to posters like that, they are just trying to troll and derail.
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>>97886992
if you're a newer painter orks are much for forgiving.
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>>97887062
Non sequitur
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I feel like the new weirdboy is missing something. I kinda want to carve an exposed brain into his head
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Any kits that have lever-action rifles?
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The new weirdboy is beautiful. I love the wires floating all around him signalling warp energy being present instead of a ton of lightning bolts everywhere, and the 1 lightning bolt being between his head and staff. I don't mind the smaller arms here because weirdboys are, well, weird. Not typical Orks where they'd be extremely buff and huge due to swinging their choppas around all day. This git works out at the library.
Can't wait to paint one of these guys. I can already see how I'll apply my scheme.
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>>97887073
I think he looks pretty schweet personally, don't know what last threads hate fest over it was.
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>>97887039
>on the oposide side of the board, Master of the Forge accompanied by Sternguards, an Assault Cannon Razorback and squad of snipers will face off against a 10 man blob of 10 assualt marines, Jump Chaplain with Chapter Honor Guard
>Razorback moves in to shoot the side of the Vindicator with a Hunter Killer Missile, ofcourse it misses
>under combined Sternguard and Sniper fire, followed by melee, the assault marines are killed off
>Honor Guard shrug off assault cannon fire from the Venerable Dreadnought and swoop down to eventually kill everyone on this side of the board except for the Razorback which goes on to destroy the Vindicator's main weapon. They now have a clear path towards my base.
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>>97887081
>>97887039
Fantastic looking game anon, very based of you.
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>>97887073
People complains over nothing this model looks awesome.
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>>97887011
I wish that dude was still active so I could ask how they made all those edits. I haven't seen a proper guide or tutorial anywhere. It's hard to search when you don't know how the technique is called.
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>>97887073
I like him. I have marines and orks so this box is pretty much a no-brainer, but probably late into the edition when I can snag a copy for cheap at the LGS. They still have copies of Leviathan for $100 lol
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>>97887073
The model is great, the base sucks.
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>>97886876
why does he eat the poo poo
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>>97887039
Holy kino
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>>97887075
admech raiders
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>>97886992
>>97887060
>eldar starters right now
Corsairs
>ork starters
Da starter box

But the starter box, you can either buy the orks on ebay for 100 bucks and that's 840 points or ssell the space marine half of the box to your friend/split it with them, while the Corsairs are just 200 bucks for 400 point sof models.
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>>97887073
I love the model except for the lightning effect. It's too thick. Might try to use some thin wires instead.
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>>97886902
kek did you buy a scout from the kill team just ot kill him off. Is that a Bleak Brotherhood CSM?
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>>97886876
>tq
Lore that isn't picrel.
Something to set it apart from official successor chapters besides "being cooler".
Not having more art than minis (yes you know who I'm talking about)
>>97886915
>I hope this is misinformation
Weird thing to assume.
>Was or are there any big shots at GW that genuinely did good for Warhammer 40k as a whole?
Wouldn't every big name in the studio in the Good Old Days count? Are there any villains of the story besides Kirby or faceless execs?
I agree Alan Bligh was one of the best though.
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>>97887107
Lol no, that guys from the blood claws kit. Traded a bit of ammo to a buddy who has space wolves for a few for this exact purpose. And Bleak Bros would be cool, but I was planning on going with Night Lords. I have a bat helm and a spear for the next guy.
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>>97887081
>meanwhile, while terminators jump in, the action in the middle develops
>due to bad positioning I end up with a blob of bikes and infantry, perfect for the Vindicator to splash, shot scatters on two unfortunate bikes which end up blowing up
Terminators appear on the board and with lucky shots from the assault cannon, end up wrecking the Rhino carrying the vets, along with a Librarian(represented by Mephiston) and Corbulo
>Chapter Master blasts vets with a combi-flamer and ends up scoring a couple kills
>shrug off every shot from the Baal Predator, ignore it and move towards the enemy base while the veterans run off due to some lucky rolls towards my bikes
>infantry in the middle takes positions in the craters and will end up facing Death Company marines inside the Razorback

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>>97887098
Thank you!
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>>97887101
Ooh thanks
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>>97887105
The lightning is cool but a Stormcast with overcooked NMM is so bleak.
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F

He is jerking off squats against their will in the Webway now
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>>97887141
F
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Final Grotesque finished. Painting hand warmed up. Time for the rest of the army.

I put the chain cuffs on him for the Talos chain flails but realized I didn’t give him a chain weapon. So I slapped these up his ass. Don’t have a name for them so I’m going with “ass grapples” unless anyone has a better one.
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>>97887135
God I miss templates.
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>>97887135
Fwoosh.
Thanks for the batrep. I don't know how you could be afraid of spamming when you're one of the handful of non-nogames here.
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>>97887090
>I wish that dude was still active so I could ask how they made all those edits. I haven't seen a proper guide or tutorial anywhere.
>https://www.deviantart.com/arkurion/journal/New-Tutorial-and-Background-Song-349184780
I think the videos are down or I am retarded with Youtube links.
>It's hard to search when you don't know how the technique is called.
Yeah that's one of my problems with this whole thing. I know Mantic hired a guy to make some visuals for their models of their WarPath models.
He called them "paintovers" but it feels like that is not the industry standard name.
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>>97887161
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY4D4iCkvro

Video works but it's a painting tutorial, nothing about the photo editing.
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Five more chosen to my IW done.
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>>97887161
>He called them "paintovers" but it feels like that is not the industry standard name.
Wasn't this kind of thing also done a lot in the toy industry in the 00s? When digital editing was available but they couldn't just do the whole thing in CGI.
The Forge World way of doing it as a really crunchy pseudo-photograph is rather unique though.
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>>97887146

Can't wait for modern 40kids to try and make sense of IW's work when the news gets out. Man was too horny for this world. 10/10, would anally brand again
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>>97887165
Thank you anon.
I feel really dumb now.
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>>97887119
damn. He has a very "warp ghost" look there though, rather than simply skinning people he looks undead. But I suppose the painscheme is difficult.
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>>97887170
The other five I made before
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>>97887141
>He is jerking off squats against their will in the Webway now
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>>97887172
GW keeps doing it, every single 10th edition 40k box has that, but as you say, in the common toy style instead of the pseudo historic style FW used.
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>>97886996
warhammer is expensive in general, but neither army is too bad. elves are pretty elite so you’ll need fewer models but orks are cheaper per model.

Orks are primarily a fighting army with some shooty elements while eldar are a primarily a shooty army with some melee elements.

Elves aren’t super hard to paint because they’re mostly monocolored body suits with some little greebles and you’re painting far fewer of them so you’ll have a painted army quicker than Orks. Elves ARE a bitch to build, it’s going to take more time to build a model versus the mostly ball and socket orks.

Elves are generally a more complicated army to play and much less beginner friendly. Orks are have some naunce too, with learning how to set up your GO turn and when to initiate your GO turn.

Elves have feels bad games. sometimes you stomp someone with cheese and sometimes you get tabled in two turns. Ive always enjoyed the games I play against Orks and Ork players. There’s a little more bullshit factor with elves.
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>>97887135
Overall, the fight in the middle ends up not being too interesting, the gist of it is, Tacticals get rekt by DC, run off towards the side of the board, and hold further back where they eventually end up killed by the vets that have been coming towards them.
>Tactical squad in my FOB provides covering fire, which kills two more
>embedded lascannon and plasma gun roll 1s to hit two turns in a row
>DC run up to my Venerable Dreadnought and leave it a crippled metal nugget without arms and legs, after which they run off towards my base screaming something about Horus, leaving my dreadnought very confused
This is the point where some serious BS starts to happen

>>97887153
One of the many changes that turn me off from modern editions
>>97887159
You never know when someone will sperg out
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>>97887177
Yeah, freehanding fire would be a cool challenge, but not now that I’m starting so late.
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>>97887150
>Ass chains
Jerk off before converting
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>>97887184
I feel like the hobby aspect of the Orks should be mentioned, there's a lot more freedom and creativity, with Orks you're painting a lot of rusty scrap and random decorations and you can cobble together anything. Other than WYSIWYG armaments the only rule to building or painting them is "Be green. Green iz betta".
Eldar are a bitch to build, very formulaic, and for a good paint job your options are airbrush, eavy metal, or vintage style glaze blending.
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>>97886999
The one thing I don't understand is, what is wrong about the decals on your stuff? I mean, you are an insufferable cunt but which of the decals you use are not lore-compliant?
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>tfw spent the whole Sunday priming outdoors
It's officially spring my niggers
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>>97887206
technically nothing but model caked in decals more than whatever premium gundam bullshit "realistic" variant just looks bad
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>>97887200
I did primarily paint my eldar with an airbrush, but I experimented with other techniques. these warp spiders are black templar contrast paint body suits and space wolves gray guns on a zenithal highlight, and I think they turned out well.

I’m currently playing around with doing volumetric highlights with a beauty blender and it seems nice enough
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my only complaint about the new weirdboy is no exposed brain
that's their defining feature man
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>>97887192
The walls are starting to close in
>Honor Guard finished wiping my flank and position themselves above the Predator, ready to pounce,
>DC and Vets book it towards my base
>Land Speeder Deep Strikes behind the Vindicators
>ofcourse it rolls a 1 to hit with the Multi Melta, Assault Cannon does nothing afterwards it gets that weapon shot off immidietely by the Furioso
>the Speeder later will repay it in kind by shooting one of it's arm off with the multi melta next turn
>my Chapter Master Terminator deathstar moves in the position to storm opponent's base
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Two more Word Bearers done for the pile.
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>tfw so bad at painting 'Evy Metal my friends believe I've developed my own painting style
No, I won't post models
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>>97887222
Checked. Yeah they look aight. Ultimately it's apples to oranges, painting Eldar are about nailing the fundamentals while Orks are about going nuts with gubbins.
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>>97887233
I think that's not the correct image anon
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>>97887175
>would anally brand again
QRD?
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>>97887206
It isn’t impossible, but its pretty unlikely that 88 and thunderbolts would both be passed down the line to space wolves, especially when a lot of 21st century people with nazis on the brain don’t know what those symbols are. this would arguably be justifiable if it was a successor chapter based in some weird star trek nazi planet, but they’re explicitly space wolves from fenris, so it doesn’t really make sense.
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Craftworld Eldar posting some of my work.

>>97886992
airbrushing is a massive accelerant for elves but I generally use it for the basecoat and that’s about it.
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>>97887182
>every single 10th edition 40k box has that
Really? I haven't seen any somehow.
I haven't seen it with the grainy affects.
It kind of lives in the current Horus Heresy stuff.
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>>97887073
the big tech collar is just random bullshit and its devoid of anything else
its not as thoughtful as the little shaman trinkets the old one had

also lack of grot is killer
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Nobody's gonna mention that Tau Firewarrior is gonna be available on steam?
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>>97887263
Very nice, I like the color scheme and the contrast of the red sword.
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>>97887175
Remember the fart chute? There was absolutely no need for that
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>>97887232
>Honour Guard gets shot off with the combine efforts of the Tactical Squad and Predator, leaving the enemy chaplain left alive with one wound
>almost slips and dies after jumping into a puddle, but rolls a 2, he will end up tanking shots from the Predator for two turns and kill 3 tacticals alone by himself in my base
>DC finally makes it there too, kill 5 more, afterwards the rest breaks and runs away, but they're still in the base physically
>Furioso redirects his anger towards my Chapter Master, it ends up destroying two terminators before it finally ears it's rest for good
>Razorback doesn't manage to wound a single marine while all this is happening lol
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>>97887256
It's just skub, it's not even done cleverly like painting them feldgrau or something.
>>97887263
>tau in the background
I like that paint job, vivid.
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Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
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>>97887273
You want us to get excited over that piece of shit?
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>>97887213
my melanin enriched compatriot
that was me all of saturday
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>>97887295
I'm sure modders will fix it
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>>97887273
>check developer for the port
>kuju entertainment
>experience is nothing but shovelware
100% going to be a literal unplayable bugfest.
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>These video games may not accurately reflect current depictions, lore, or presentation within the current Warhammer universes and settings
Lmao
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>>97887316
This is a major selling point
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>>97887316
Wow they're insecure to feel the need to stick that on old games
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>>97887316
yes anon most of secondary media is not and never was canon
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Superior Weirdboy coming through
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>>97887279
Moment of the game time
Everything looked winnable up until this point.
Deathstar in position, more or less safe to charge in. HOWEVER, a small voice in the back of my head wanted me to try out an orbital bombardment.
>screw it, why not? I don't get the chance to use it very often.
>declare Orbital Bombardment, the template catches the entire squad occupying the ruin
>perfect
>time to roll
Moments later:
>there is a giant crater left in the exact spot my Chapter Master and his posse used to stand because the template scattered 10 inches directly on top of them, also catching the Land Speeder
>20% of the points value of my army wiped by my retarded Chapter Master
>nobody able to capture the enemy base left on that side of the board
Surely, I can at least manage a draw, right?
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>>97887316
Saying this just because those games don't have primaris is a new kind of sad.
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>>97887316
Didn't they say the same about the reprint of IWs magnum opus?
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>>97887330
just like black library novels, right
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>>97887331
Ooga the booga my nigga
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>>97887333
Really enjoying this. Current rules can't even begin to approach this level of cinematic tomfoolery.
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>>97887274
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So are Eldar currently the worst army in 10e?
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>>97887331
>>97887346
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>>97887333
lmao absolutely Based
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>>97887349
Your Imperial Agents, sir?
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>>97887333
Spoiler, it was not a draw.
Pictured, the heroic last stand of the last brave marine defending the base.
Game ended with the last vestiges of the Veteran, Death Company and Honour Guard squads closing in on him. I condeded afterwards.

Overall, it was a really enjoyable experience, very swingy, cinematic and it could honestly go either way.

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>>97887358
I'm not even mad about the bombardment backfiring, my jaw was hurting real bad from the laughter.
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>>97887370
Got some fluff shots I can share too.
Next time, I think we're gonna play Planetstrike
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>>97887370
Nice to see a cool game anon. You're making me wanna play real bad.
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>>97887391
Thank you, and yes, you should play.
I love playing midhammer especially, this is my nostalgia period.
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>>97887391
>Red scorpions
Nta but GW can't give numk4 & numk5 soon enough
I guess if someone wants to go full oldmarine the mk4 squad is still available
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>>97887349
we’re more of a mid-tier army with a very low skill floor. It’s a hard army to play that is a little overcosted, it’s probably one of the worst to *start* playing with as a beginner right now, but definitely not the worst performing army.
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>>97887281
to be fair, feldgrau would likely blend in too heavily with the rest of the blueish grey model or be really ugly against the yellow. likely a good way to be clever with it (and increase deniability) would be to have them understand 88 is a sacred symbol, but believe that all repeating double digits are also sacred so the models are all covered in 44, 66, 99, ect. which they have different meanings for, but 88 is the most holy symbol and is the symbol for space wolf supremacy, and that supremacy is as well done through twin lightning bolts which is also a repeating symbol.
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>>97887284
you better be right Ive been waiting since you started posting this
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>>97887407
I'm personally waiting for them because I want my army to use only the armour marks with chest cables. I have a bunch of mk6 already but I want mixed squads so I'm holding off with the basics.
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>>97887430
Last one, Tiberius somehow has survived this mess.
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>>97887427
They better not fuck it up
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Show me your best ork kitbashes.
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>>97887445
that's artificer mk3
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>>97887413
Gray and yellow is an amazing combination, thoughever
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>>97887454
YOU SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT FAFNIR YOU DOUBLE NIGGER
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>>97887233
The sons of Lorgar have truly been blessed by the holy pantheon of Chaos
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>>97886902
Reposting
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>>97887233
>word nerd is a footfag
Interesting
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>>97887483
Nice Baharroth, anon.
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>>97887370
Beautiful shot
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>Used that rotating spray stick from Citadel
>Can't tell if everything caught on or not
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>>97887576
You didn't answer his question
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Slickade en snygg kth-brud i röven en gång. Mbv hennes incelkursare låg hemma på pojkrummen och runkade åt henne när min tunga var deep in her äzz
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You are now reminded that GW tried to make Veteran Intercessors a thing to fill the awkward gaps in their units range after legending shit randomly.
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>>97887596
It doesn't allow for you to put "horus heresy" and copyright information on your tanks you retarded faggot
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>>97887263
Estonia feathers
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>>97887605
>"horus heresy" and copyright information on your tanks
Dangerously based. You made me hate the Decal-sama for no reason. I was not familiar with his game.
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>>97887605
KWAB
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>>97887445
There's pics of the redesign already. It's pretty much identical. We also know how the new mk5 is gonna look like through the apothecary. I'm not worried.
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>>97887525
Thanks, it still needs layering/highlights/gemstones/basing doing. And I want to do a blend on the sword.

Feels nice going all in on a centre piece, he's my first phoenix lord
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>>97887636
outdated image, they're going to look like the rapier squads
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>>97887641
You do realise those images came out after rapier squads, right?
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>>97887636
>mk4 is the only good HH armor and didn't get molested by GW unlike mk2 and mk3
Mk4 stays winning. Can't improve upon perfection. Fitting since mk4 was one of the superior armors even in fluff.
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>>97887644
yeah and they're not new designs unlike the cata images
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blessed jannies
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>>97887650
Rapier squads don't use standard issue power armour, you mongoloid.
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>>97887641
No? Whatever makes you think that lmao.
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>>97887636
>redesign every mark
>except one
I wouldn't put it past GW to go back on a plan of theirs.
I think it's more likely to be a photomontage, the same way people have been parading the mk5 in that same book that's clearly based on the old FW mk5 rather than the updated nulook.

But again, FW are that kind of retarded, so will have to wait and see.
The chest cables look too "midhammer" and close to picrel. I'm just an autist, what do I know.
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>>97887657
that delicious cope
>>97887660
I'll look forward to your livestreamed suicide when they get announced this winter
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>>97887641
>outdated image, they're going to look like the rapier squads
>look it up
>it's this dogshit
God fuck, what the hell were they thinking? I get it's called the raper squad, but it doesn't mean you rape the armor design.
I hope to god they don't turn mk4 into this dogshit.
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>>97887641
Nigger the rapier squads are wearing imperial pattern
t. autismus
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>>97887664
It's not mk4. The book even says it's specialist techmarine armour. Which is just a fluff way to reintroduce the protobeakie design.
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>>97887466
>Death Guard pickelhaube helm
I like that helmet.
I do like the NuMK3 power armor helmet.
And the previous Mk3 power armor helmet.
I also like the power pack with 4 exhaust "pipes."
What does this say about me?
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imagine a /40kg/ without decalmutant, pakfag, ben obsessed doxers....
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>>97886876
>redditors praising ian watson now that he's dead despite spending years shitting on his books
poseurs
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>>97887680
Without armour mark autism or rivet counting autism too
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>>97887680
schizos would find something else to latch on, there's no winning in this place
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>>97887664
>what were they thinking
"We don't want to make specific crew for each marks"
>But why not make it an upgrade?
"Because we're retarded and made HH marines into packs of 5, so unless we're gonna sell a big box of 5 rapiers we're not doing it"
>but what about the jetbikes having separate pilots?
"Different poses anyway, so can warrant it"

Don't overthink it, it's just GW being half retarded and half out of touch.
Reminder that GW wants you to buy rapier squads and then convert them into a unit, meaning they want you to buy 5 rapiers just to use the dudes (+ extra bits, which means buying more kits)
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>>97887662
Numk5 cables look like that too.
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>>97887672
That you are based. Quad thrusters Mars Pattern Power Packs look the best. Don't like the naked cables.

>>97887685
I'll never stop.
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>>97887697
those squared bonding studs look like such fucking dogshit
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>>97887680
>pakfag
That guy has been gone for years.
Also there's like 99% of likelyhood that it was Edge, since the original PAKistani posted using exact same type of iPhone filenames as edge when PAK posting originally started.
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>>97887697
No they don't. Nu mk4 are small rectangular boxes following each other, the mk4 that was posted is a thin belt with long "pills" spaced.
You're supposed to learn shapes in kindergarten, literal retard.
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>>97887196
To be fair, grotesques are a Deldar abomination created by the haemonculi and rely on pain inducing drugs and other mechanics to fuel their combat effectiveness. Slaaneshy pain/pleasure tools are commonplace so ass chains isn’t exactly farfetched.
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>>97887702
That's just his damaged armour.
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>>97887705
>using exact same type of iPhone filenames
this is real schizophrenia at work
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>>97887712
is indomitus pattern terminator armor supposed to be mark V adjacent
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>>97887664
Rapier crews look to be updates of the LE02 marine. On pg. 13 of Journal Tactica: The Istavaan V Dropsite Massacre the suit's showcased with MkVI helmet and pads.
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>>97887713
nta but

>NOOOOOOOO STOP NOOOOOOOOTICING

Sometimes you CAN actually notice patterns and sometimes its NOT you being a schizo.
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>>97887712
nta but I think that was just something they did for Haar.
>why not square?
Strange choice and indeed as anon said looks meh. Maybe they were supposed to be spikes that were cut down, I have no clue.
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>>97887720
Mk5 helmets are said to be from an offshoot of the terminator project. Picrel (second paragraph)
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>>97887713
Not really.
The PAKfag was also the most active and actively throoding when Edge was also the throoder who was spamming Slaanesh and Blood angel threads retardedly early. It's logical reasoning to point all 3 things being the work of the same person, because it explains the small details, but also explains the behavioral patterns.
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>>97887690
>"We don't want to make specific crew for each marks"
Yet they put tank crews in MkII and various other vehicles, like jetbikes, in MkVI.
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>>97887724
>>97887736
>the most common mobile file format is surely an indicator of samefaggotry
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>>97887737
I know, right? GW is strange and retarded.
Take the mk2 crewman; his helmet is actually slightly different from the mk2 tacticals/assault, having a smooth roung faceplate rather than the angular final release. It also lacks rivets on the top of the helmet.
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>HH discussion
I gotta ask now.
Are Inductii recruitment methods still canonically used in current 40k era?
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>>97887755
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>>97887680
>>97887655
You got some shit on your nose
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>>97887763
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>>97887755
>thing, but cute girls
Gay (somehow)

>>97887760
>HH discussion
Armor marks actually, but mk1 to 7 happened before the end of the heresy.
>inductii
Yes and no.
Yes in that /yourdudes/ can recruit that way.
Kinda Yes in that 40k indoctrination includes a lot of hypnosis & adjacent that started during the heresy to speed up the process.
No in that it's not the same (and each legion did things differently)
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>>97886915
>>97887111
RIP to a real one. For all the shitting and pissing the 40k community did, I don’t remotely think Inquisitor was the worst novel in the setting ever made. Not even close. And Bligh definitely counts as one of the people who tried to do right by the fan base.
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>>97887744
It wasn't the most common mobile format.
Also the said filenames were not common here, and only Edge shitposted with those. He's also the faggot who accidentaly posted gay incest primarch bara porn by accident when he was shitposting.
Which then also confirmed that he's unironic bara faggot on /aco/'s warhammer threads.

Also we've seen the guy's receding hairline too, he's a dude, he's unironic 40-50 year old faggot that takes it up the ass.
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>>97887794
>Also we've seen the guy's receding hairline too, he's a dude, he's unironic 40-50 year old faggot that takes it up the ass.
Grim. Dark, even.
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>>97887111
>Are there any villains of the story besides Kirby or faceless execs?
Andy Smilie, the guy assaults GW staff and then gets the typical corporate promotion to a higher role to get out of trouble.
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>>97887794
Sadly I can’t believe even 25% of this because Ive seen so many lies about myself and others here. Would be funny if true tho.
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>>97887802
Pic related is him.
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I have questions:
Are Leagues of Votann rare or numerous in the setting?
Are tau considered large in number yet?
How numerous are Dark Elv-I mean Dark Eld-Drukari?
How numerous are the undead Eldar/Titans+Wraith Constructs(etc)?
How numerous are the Necrons really? Dark age of imperium then turned robotic era or do they number like the imperial guard?

I like how numerous Tyranids/Daemons are, just seems like the endless villains of the setting. Necrons count but they're different.
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>>97887819
kinda funny you can tell he's a sperg from hair alone
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>>97887760
in general do some chapters sometimes rush their process to recoup losses? sure. but in general, chapters probably don’t have the geneseed stock or the spare power armor to “rush” the creation of their marines. if anything, some chapters may have more scouts to represent large influxes of recruits
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>>97887824
As many as the plot demands.
As many as the plot demands
As many as the plot demands
As many as the plot demands
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>>97887824
Rare
No
Very
Super rare
Very but they all sleeping
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>>97887794
>It wasn't the most common mobile format.
it is
>Also the said filenames were not common here, and only Edge shitposted with those.
schizophrenia
are the lamenterfag and decalfag edge because they both post with those file formats too?
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>>97887824
As many as the plot requires. Slightly more than you see on a table.
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>>97887839
Dark Eldar are numerous, somewhere around half imperium or less?
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>>97887824
>Are Leagues of Votann rare or numerous in the setting?
Rare ish
>Are tau considered large in number yet?
No.
>How numerous are Dark Elv-I mean Dark Eld-Drukari?
A lot. But Craftworlders out number as per 10th edition codex.
>How numerous are the undead Eldar/Titans+Wraith Constructs(etc)?
We don't know.
>How numerous are the Necrons really? Dark age of imperium then turned robotic era or do they number like the imperial guard?
We don't know, all we have that it is implied their empire before becoming robots stretched from 1 side of the galaxy to the other.
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>>97887840
>are the lamenterfag and decalfag edge
Nope, they weren't because we know they aren't.

Also, it's funny how antsy you're about this for no real reason.
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>>97887868
>Also, it's funny how antsy you're about this for no real reason.
there's the schizoid projection coming out
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>>97887824
intentionally left unspecified yet vaguely gestured at to not lock any potential plotline in the future
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>>97887784
>>97887837
Thanks lads!
>scout marines
I always thought those guys were a bad decision from their inception.
Like I get the whole thing was to sell more marines to make more sales, but even then I always thought that scout marines are an antithesis to what marines are which are big armored dudes with powerful weapons with intent of violence that is never subtle or hidden.
Scout marines or even marines doing anything considered 'recon' is a contradiction of that.
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>>97887871
I didn't imply anything. Just pointing out what I see.
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>>97887885
>I didn't imply anything
nobody said you did, stop reading things that aren't there schizo-kun~
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>>97887889
>nobody said you did
>>97887871
>there's the schizoid projection coming out
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>>97887894
yes we already know you can't read schizo-kun no need for restating
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>>97887877
Scouts can also be SMs but more rash and lightly armored. Pic related. Especially if your scouts are taken from gangers and other barbaric/warrior cult societies.
As a marine goes through the scout company, then devastator, then assault and then finally tactical squad, their temper has been forged like the hot steel of a sword.
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>>97887853
less
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>>97886876
I should be able to finish the body tonight and then the arms should only take 1 or 2 evenings
Then I just need to decide if I want to add some blood spatter, and what to base it on. I was thinking a muddy puddle might be cool
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Are there any scans of that new Reign of Iron book floating around or a list of the apocalypse stratagems? I wanna see what kind stuff they've added in for playing at that scale
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>>97887904
>As a marine goes through the scout company, then devastator, then assault and then finally tactical squad, their temper has been forged like the hot steel of a sword.
Lost media at this point. I fucking hate primaris organization.
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so are they doing another new boyz kit or no?
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new yarrick seems pretty nice, can imagine a lot of shenanigans with the reactive move/extra overwatch either making them really fucking hard to charge off an objective or getting to shoot the opponent's scorers twice
aoe orders are also nice but getting to cuck a melee army out of their charge is pretty big
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>>97887904
That's pretty good, but it still doesn't change my mind on scout marines.
Good art you posted though. I appreciate looking at old original artworks of 40k stuff.
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>>97887824
everything in the setting is going to appear small in number or rare compared to the quadrillions of the humans, orks, and tyranids. Orks and Tyranids rely on fewer “support” organisms to fight than humans, but there’s a million imperium worlds and some planets have trillions of humans.

Tau, Dark Eldar, and Votann have decent numbers, certainly billions, but they’re clustered in specific areas of the galaxy (or clustered in a specific spot outside the galaxy in one alternate dimension metropolis) so they’re ultimately relatively rare. compare that to Craftworld Eldar who probably only number in the millions but span the galaxy from their colony-ships and webway gates. all four of those races probably have about the same impact on the galaxy as secondary players.

Eldar wraith constructs aren’t hard to build. the issue is spirit stones and souls capable of being roused for battle. wraithknights have a specific unqiue issue of needing twins/lover/spiritually bonded couples, one alive, one in a spirit stone, to operate. I would be suprised if more than a few hundred wraithknight are active and functioning

necrons are the biggest “who tf knows” trillions went to sleep, but how many will wake up and how many will still be functioning is completely unknowable.
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>>97887965
showed one model of the new boyz kit when they revealed the edition and their boss nob a bit later, they're mainly gonna let you pick a shoota and a choppa rather than one or the other like the old kit
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>>97887824
the leagues are rare only because they keep to themselves and live in a part of the galaxy most other races wont go, but they are mentioned to be quite a bit more numerous than the tau or eldar. each of the titular "leagues" are a massive galactic empire unto themselves
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>>97887917
I would have done it different
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>>97887998
i just didnt know if that was just a one off promotional model or if they actually had a new kit coming, because if they look as good as that guy i'll hold off till the new kit arrives
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>>97886876
>Alternative rules in OP

Anybody tried these game systems?
We always complain about GW rules writing so maybe those would be better by chance?
Maybe the complaints are why they were added to the OP.
Probably for the same reason the Wargames Terrain link was added too after so much complaints about game terrain.
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Am I the only one that doesn't like the "effects" parts on newer models? The new weirdboy has a lightning arc, the ork biker guy has a flame burst, every smoke grenade has smoke coming out of it, the hellsmiths from AOS had flames and smoke everywhere.

It just feels so cartoonish.
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>>97888021
I would have done it different.
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>>97887877
they’re still big dudes in big armor with big guns, but an army needs skirmishers to conduct flanking manuevers or chase down faster opponents

given the scarcity of resources, it’s not that crazy that there’s not enough armor to go around for each rookie. Black templars often put scouts right in the thick of it mixed in with their regular crusaders.
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>lost media
It will endure. I mix primaris with the older patterns but I treat them like another mark with a twist and the unique weapons/armor like special equipment. I might use phobos marines as scouts, like to represent a vet sgt for instance.
>>97887977
That's okay, that's what's fun about 40k, we have enough to do what we like best
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>>97887073
i like him, the paintjob could be better but the model itself is cool. reminds me of the electro-priests from admech. i love the frankenstein electro-coil aesthetic
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>>97888017
New monopose kit in the starter set and potentially a proper multipart kit later.
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>>97887073
I would have done it different.
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>>97887998
This is actually a stand-alone promo mini, like the free ones they give away at GW stores.
>>97888017
>if they actually had a new kit coming
Gee I wonder why they revealed this model with the other Space Marine during their huge Marines vs Orks box reveal.
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>>97888035
Armour aside, primaris squad organization is a mess and the "lore" for it is barely a justification for it to not have any proper organization.
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>>97888021
I don't like them, I tolerate them if they're optional, but like tactical rocks they're just a way to inflate the plastic and reduce the value of the model.

I hate that modern models are meant to be display pieces, instead of playing with MINIATURE (see: small, tiny versions of) soldiers I feel like I'm playing with very small collector's edition statues, except I gotta assemble and paint it. But hey, normalfags lap it up.
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>>97888021
I think the effects on newer models are meant to fight resin recasters and make it frustration for STL scans of the models to be properly set up for printing. It is possible, but it is meant to frustrate the pirate.
Just a theory where the source is made up by me.

Generally I think the biggest problem is that they don't seem to be an 'option' from what I've seen most of the time.
I wouldn't mind the effect parts of models if they were just optional.
I wonder if it is a mandated thing that those be made along with tactical rocks.

Lastly I think a lot of models having a lot of extra fragile looking bits and additions to them and fragile looking attachments to the base is meant so that when being used as game pieces the accidents of breaking a piece is maximized so that the wargamer will buy a new one as a replacement.
A sort of deliberate defecting of the model's structural integrity through the sculpt design so replacement sales are made like Nuln Oil pots get spilled a lot.

All of this is just my speculation and conspiracy theory.
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Is Cawl technically a "heretek" that is leading a group of like minded Mechanicus followers that are essentially more relaxed on innovation but just calling it a different thing to avoid a Moirae Schism at worst and just getting purged at best?
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>>97887858
>craftworlders outnumber the dark eldar

but how? isn't the city of cumrag the size of a planet? or bigger in some descriptions? compared to at most a couple dozen craftworlds?
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>>97888046
yeah but didnt the boyz kit just get redone last edition?

i dont think im out of pocket for questioning weather a reworked kit is actually coming or if they'd just package the existing kit in the starter set when its so recent
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My honest reaction to GW trying to tempt me back with new tactical marines and orc wizards

https://youtu.be/GeX0xOx-mLQ?feature=shared
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>>97888048
What even is the primaris organization? Genuinely.
Old marines was simple
>Scout -> Dev -> Assault -> Tac -> Vets -> Terminator
Before they brought back scouts and termies (I will die on the hill that GW wanted to completely revamp the marine range) it was even more nebulous.

I have genuinely no idea what primaris marines have because it feels like every year a new unit is popped out from nowhere and is supposed to be inserted in the lineup. Some units are 5 men, some units are 10, some units are 3, some have the sgt with different weapons, some don't.

Maybe it's because I care so little that I just skipped all of it, but after nearly 10 years I still have no clue what the fuck primaris are beside "just do whatever lol"
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>>97888065
It's one of those GW not thinking about the numbers things. Supposedly there are only about 1000 Craftworlds but their populations range from tens of thousands to billions. Commoragh has a highly fluctuating population because of how many die there every day but they also flash grow most of their kids in glass coffins to maturity and fuck like crazy so they've got insane population growth too and hang out in the trillions plus however many planets worth of slaves they bring in to the dark city to support a population of that size too.
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>classic Space Hulk games getting released on Steam
I always wanted to check it out but was too lazy to find a download. Aw geez I’m actually gonna pay for it huh……
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>>97888067
current boyz kit was poorly received due to the monopose models which have to take a gun and can't take a melee option
they also don't really have much other choice when making a new edition box for Orks to be fair, nobz are the closest they could do but they aren't battleline
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>>97888062
>Cawl tech heresy & schism
They barely hinted at it, but since GW wanted to sell the new marines they had to handwave that actually it's fine, the primarch said so so it's cool, as if IRL if jesus himself came back the different catholic churches and cults wouldn't still bicker and fight and call him a fake just to hold onto their power and not look like retards when what they've been preaching for millenia is told by the son of god to be bollocks

.>>97888072
>tacticals
Still intercessors, but now they have a few mk7/mk6 helmets, some different greeves and mk6 shoulder pads.
You'll have more variation by buying the Space Wolves kits.
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Body trim mostly done, just needs a little oiling.
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>>97888090
>old boyz: melee or ranged
>monopose boyz: melee and ranged
>new boyz: Uuuuh they have everything
I'm still not sure if I like or dislike it.
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>>97888090
>no battleline aside from boyz
just put 50 grots in to compensate for the lack of boyz
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>>97888076
It's a nebolous and vague handwave of squad groupings. Instead of a marine being assigned to a specific squad with a specific role, they are assigned to "battleline", "heavy support", "close support" and then change loadout/armour/squad type depending on the mission. Which in practice means there's fuck all for organization because everything is adhoc.It's bad. Most of what primaris try to do is copying 30k but doing it worse.
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GW just unleashed a bunch of old Warhammer games on Steam
>Rites of War is one of them
This feels like a trap or trick of some kind
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>>97888076
I remember an old article stating that it’s technically still pretty similar, with the new squad formations bring more granular versions of the Dev and Assault Squads before they get the relevant experience to become Tactical Squads, but with keeping the Tactical Squad kit and datasheet around as the token firstborn rep (until 11th likely kills them for good) I don’t think that lore ever went anywhere.
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>>97888096
As always it’s lookin stunning king
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>>97888072
>GW trying to tempt me back with new tactical marines
If they were actually tactical marines I would fall but it's hard to be nostalgiabaited when they kill the thing I'm supposed to be nostalgic about at the exact same time.
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>>97887588
Fel tråd tror jag kompis. Men ändå ganska coolt gjort.
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>>97888109
Hmm I may check them out, any rts that would interest a GW fan?
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>>97888111
It didn't help that for the last decade the lore blurbs for the primaris units pretended the old ones never existed and the blurb for the remaining classic ones were written as if nothing had changed.
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>>97888062
>>97888092
If you read the latest Cawl book its pretty clear, he is just straight up a heretek and neither him nor the primarch give a shit.
>he innovates
>he invents
>he calls himself a scientist
>he says the Necrons have better technology than the Imperium
>he has started to experiment with mixing Necron and Imperial technologies

Basically he's too important to have to follow Mars' rules and because Guilliman supports him he gets to tell them to go kick rocks.
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>>97887817
Are you a fan of decals and furries by chance
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>>97888130
Cawl would be a pretty interesting character if he wasn't behind every bullshit primaris bring to the table, which makes him look both like a mary sue and impossible to do anything interesting with him because new releases require him to mantain status quo.
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>>97888105
Sometimes I think I just don't get it and that I'm missing something and it'll all make sense, and then I realize I'm digging trying to find something that was never there.
All of that because
>no model, no rule
>as little option as possible, kill kitbash outside of swapping heads and pauldrons, the rest is virtually pointless.
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>>97888092
>since GW wanted to sell the new marines they had to handwave that actually it's fine
So "realistically by 40k standards" there should be a big schism among the Mechanicus because of Cawl's conduct?
>>97888130
>if you read the latest Cawl book
I didn't, I'm sorry. I just don't find BL books entertaining.
>Basically he's too important to have to follow Mars' rules and because Guilliman supports him he gets to tell them to go kick rocks.
I do yearn for a schism among the Mechanicus over Cawl's stuff.
>mixing Necron and Imperial technologies
Wasn't this already done with Necron blades being used by Deathwatch?
I vaguely remember a sanctioned Tau weapon that was just a Tau gun with seals all over it.
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I recall a WD last year had some bits, anyone know what i'm on about?
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>>97888138
>impossible to do anything interesting with him because new releases require him to mantain status quo.
Not really anymore, all of his inventions were submitted to Mars as "found this STC, don't bother checking when the pattern was made, its totally ancient"

>>97888146
One off rare Deathwatch weapons are one thing, but Cawl is experimenting with totally-not-AI, blackstone null fields, Necron FTL & communication networks etc.

The next Cawl book is being setup as possibly the start of a Schism, seemingly the new Fabricator General has it out for him and has been gathering evidence of his heresy.
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>>97888111
>more granular version of assault & dev
How does that even work? Before you had reserve companies to make sure you had enough tacs, devs and assaults so the fighting companies could be operational.
Now you're telling that the chapter has to keep track of infiltrators, desolation, invictor pilots, aggressor, incursors, hellblasters, eradicators, infernus, assault intercessor (or are they actually melee tacticals instead of ground assaults?) and inceptors?
Am I retarded or is this retarded? Or both

>>97888130
> neither him nor the primarch give a shit
Frankly nobody gives a shit, in and out of universe. At best I'd use him as a generic fabricator general.
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>>97888167
>ot really anymore, all of his inventions were submitted to Mars as "found this STC, don't bother checking when the pattern was made, its totally ancient"
Anon that is mantaining the status quo. They aren't allowed to have him face actual consequences.
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>old models
>extreme modularity
>new models
>monopose SHIT

>b-but muh dynmaic poses
idgaf old models allowed much more creativity and the post primaris models for sll rsnges killed the hobby aspect of warhammer
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>>97888146
>So "realistically by 40k standards" there should be a big schism among the Mechanicus because of Cawl's conduct?
Yeah, age of apostasy type shit and possibly an imperial schism between those who accept the ressurected primarch and cawl, those who accept the primarch, but not cawl, those who accept cawl but not the primarch, those who accept neither, and so on. That's the implications when your setting has multiple large religious bodies that are already tolerating each other and have been stable-ish for millenias. Add to that general ignorance, superstition, terrible & unreliable communication methods and the biggest bloated beaurocratic mess that ever was.

Except instead he comes in and people just fold for the most part and tell you shit like
>refusing this new power would be retarded because it's more power yo
This is one of the reason why I don't give a zilch about modern fluff/lore: it has lost all credibility and is straight up telling you
>Okay this is how it works now, get on with the program
Why would I invest in your fiction when you're just pulling shit out of your ass, not to make things more interesting, but to literally simplify things for the sake of making easier to digest for people who didn't care in the first place?

It's bonkers to me.
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>>97888180
good for you
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>>97888167
>One off rare Deathwatch weapons are one thing
I get it. I was just citing it as an example.
>but Cawl is experimenting with totally-not-AI, blackstone null fields, Necron FTL & communication networks etc.
I'm starting to see the picture.
>The next Cawl book is being setup as possibly the start of a Schism
I think it won't happen with a schism.
Maybe because GW doesn't want it to happen to continue to sell minis.
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>>97887333
Amazing
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>>97888168
You are retarded, as are most people complaining about it
A hellblaster isn't a marine who has spent 20000 years mastering only the plasma and can only ever use plasma guns, it's a marine who has been given a plasma gun for the mission. You retards always pull out this "Um so achtually they have to have 1000 of each type of marine in reserve? That doesn't make any sense" but you've never bothered to read a single fucking thing about it. Even a cursory glance at a fucking wiki, even a fucking SECONDARY can gleam this info before you pavement-licking retards can.
The companies are split between Battleline (echoing old Tactical), Close Support (echoing old assault) and Fire Support (echoing old Devs) with a Veteran company and command structure.

Just take 5 fucking minutes to read, you useless sack of shit.
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>>97888203
no fucking kys
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>>97888147
Post the rest of it.
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>>97888168
There’s only a 1000 dudes at full strength, it wouldn’t be too hard to manage realistically considering the burden usually placed on chapter masters and captains.
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>>97888168
They don't keep track of any of that because all of those are just loadouts for the battleline/close support/heavy support squads. Which doesn't make it any good as actual organization but that's a different matter.
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>>97888213
calm down tourist-kun
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>>97888211
>You retards always pull out this "Um so achtually they have to have 1000 of each type of marine in reserve? That doesn't make any sense"
No one has said that. Just like nobody has ever wanted mixing weapons in their devastators every time you retards bring it up.
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>>97888202
I get your frustration.
I know 40k is a bit messed up, but I'm pretty sure that things like Huron Blackheart's origins had some kind of "understandable logic" as to "why" things happened.
Of course I think that one reason things are getting simplified may be because applying some "understandable logic to why things happen" or even "understandable logic to consequences" of certain things and events is hard so it is better to just wave such things away and just have the audience work with what's been given and move onto the next thing in the setting.

>>97888202
>that pic
I have the autism that means saying "no" aint enough. I need the mentality and fortitude to break free.
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>>97888233
>No one has said that
"Now you're telling that the chapter has to keep track of infiltrators, desolation, invictor pilots, aggressor, incursors, hellblasters, eradicators, infernus, assault intercessor (or are they actually melee tacticals instead of ground assaults?) and inceptors?"
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Trying to understand the logic of a chaos rhino having a combi-bolter baseline + the pintle one as option, even though the model only has the pintle one, where does the baseline one come from? some dude inside? forgive my autism.
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>>97888180
>dynamic
New poses aren't actually more dynamic, I'd even argue that by definition & nature they are stiffer.
Old "poses" (multipart plastic kits) made it extremely easy to give your models unique poses. The basic stance (the power squat) is a super polyvalent pose, because it works for all the important situations:
>Marine standing there/shooting
>Marine moving in
>Marine engaged in combat
This means that the miniature is doing its two jobs:
1) being an effective small soldiers on a battlefield
2) it looks the part in all required situations.

On the other hand, a majority of modern poses are meant to work in one specific situation. The miniature is clearly doing one specific thing. They are striding forward, they are announcing a charge, they are in combat.
Take the LoV memnir to get out of SM examples: surfing on rocks and casting a spell. If he's standing away from the fight, or defending a position away from enemies, he looks like a fucking retard.
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>>97888202
Basically that all did happen, but we only see pieces of it. Vaults of Terra & Watchers of the Throne get into the politics of Terra at the time of the fall of Cadia and the return of Guilliman. He replaced most of the highlords with people loyal to him after Terra itself nearly fell into civil war.
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>>97888021
I really like the flames on the master of possession and dark apostle
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>>97888021
just cut them off?
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Are Dark Angels, Black Templars, or Grey Knights the best knight-themed space marines?
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>>97888211
>just read lol
>fails to read
Lel, not reading your shit sandwich bucko

>>97888223
It's not 1000 dudes in that case, it's 1000 dudes who are in different stages of training.

>>97888224
Then when do they get their training? Do they spend hours at the training range? The idea of devastators is that's the time in a marine's life that he's learning to be familiar with the big guns and how to not mag dump like a tard in the heat of battle.
Maybe I am retarded too, but that shit certainly don't make sense to me.

>>97888236
>I have the autism that means saying "no" aint enough. I need the mentality and fortitude to break free.
It's called having standards, never give up.
>And I'll nevaaaaaaaaaaa, surrendaaaaaaaaa
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>>97888102
i would actually love it if they expanded the grot side of orks, i play gloomspite in aos and you can have a lot of fun with grot models, underutilized in 40k. 40k could really do with more grots and squigs
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>>97888240
That doesn't mean "Um so achtually they have to have 1000 of each type of marine in reserve?" unless you're an illitarate primarisfag.
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>>97888251
you have really terrible opinions
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>>97888283
This + give orks trolls , ogryns and giants too
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>>97888278
>Then when do they get their training? Do they spend hours at the training range? The idea of devastators is that's the time in a marine's life that he's learning to be familiar with the big guns and how to not mag dump like a tard in the heat of battle.
>Maybe I am retarded too, but that shit certainly don't make sense to me.
In the "fire support squads". Where they get to have completely different squad sizes, weapon types, armour types mission to mission because whoever thought about this was a moron and hated devastator squads for some reason.
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>>97886974
>>97887039
Unfathomably kino. It hurts the heart to remember how much better 5th is to 10th, but how my local community is mostly zoomers who joined 40k in the last 5 or so years.
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>>97887111
>Are there any villains of the story besides Kirby
Alan Merret was the vizier for Kirby and it is rumored lots of awful decisions of that age weren't from Kirby but from him.
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>>97888278
>It's called having standards, never give up.
Thank you anon.
My problem I think is a phrase I've seen called "canon compliance."
You want your homebrew stuff to fit in the 40k universe like a key is built for a lock at best.
At worst you don't want your character to stick out like white dot on a vanta black background.
Which requires a bit of fluff understanding which then requires a bit of fluff research which then bleeds into unit choice for your homebrew guys and even shapes your playstyle of what units are most fitting and before you know it the lore seeped into your games.
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>>97888293
As opposed to yours?
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>>97887111
Why is Alan Bligh remembered so fondly? Generally what did he do right that others have done wrong?
Like I need specific details in detail, please.
>>97887813
>Andy Smilie, the guy assaults GW staff and then gets the typical corporate promotion to a higher role to get out of trouble.
I need proof of this. This is just stupid even by GW standards.
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>>97888246
I think modeling wise I think you have to assume it’s the dude driving the thing since a dude does technically have to be in there and the fact you can have a havoc launcher and a combi-weapon/bolter when the havoc launcher would replace the dude manning the weapon on the model if built that way.
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>>97887073
Based GW making all the models in the starter set shit to ensure I don’t fomo buy it
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>>97888306
I think GW did a much better job in the past of letting people's things fit into the broader universe. Warzones were separated, the larger ones were stalemates or eternal battlefields.
Named characters were fun optional things and you had charts to create your own units, subfactions & so on.

As a writer, one of the best tip I can give is:
>"Don't write what you don't have to."
Leave things open handed, especially when writing a setting/universe. You want your setting to be a toolbox, not a carefully tailored theme park ride. That's where GW is royally failing today.

Meme pic aside, the text blurb is exactly how GW should approach making set places/warzones.
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>>97888283
yeah, orks could use some grot snipas to give them more shooty options.
>squigs
hopefully they do. reading rebel winter and reading the descriptions of giant brightly colored orbs of yellows, pinks, blues, and reds ripping guardsmen apart with their giant teeth immediately activated my neurons. its what inspired me to paint my bomb squig baby blue.
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>>97888314
>I need proof of this. This is just stupid even by GW standards.
Not him but this happens in corporate offices all the time. A problem employee might be too buddy buddy with the people in charge so they'll just "promote" them to a new department/location where they hopefully won't cause any more problems or the person they've been harassing won't escalate further/outside the company.
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>>97888278
>Then when do they get their training? Do they spend hours at the training range? The idea of devastators is that's the time in a marine's life that he's learning to be familiar with the big guns and how to not mag dump like a tard in the heat of battle. Maybe I am retarded too, but that shit certainly don't make sense to me.
I’m gonna have to agree with you that you are in fact retarded too, because it’s not exactly hard to conceptualize that warrior monks who dedicate their life to combat and military matters and genetically engineered to require little in the way of rest or relaxation would find the time for training on weapons.
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>>97888357
This. You think the workplace is about doing your job and rising through merit, and then your coworker gets fired because he was only 70% efficient while the guy who does nothing but scroll on his phone gets a promotion because he's into the same shaddy shit as the manager/boss/HR person.
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>>97888351
>"Don't write what you don't have to."
That's actually beautiful anon.
>Meme pic aside, the text blurb is exactly how GW should approach making set places/warzones.
>You want your setting to be a toolbox, not a carefully tailored theme park ride. That's where GW is royally failing today
What made GW start failing at their setting being a toolbox and becoming more of a theme park ride then?
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>>97888302
There's that infamous dreadfleet story where the game sold like shit so he had the people who worked on it burn a bunch of shit, though I'm not 100% that's him (plus it's probably bullshit anyway, but still)
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Since this thread is filled with secondaries who don't know the lore, here's how the post-primaris chapters are set up

>10 Companies + Command
>1st Company
Veterans (So Stern/Blade/Van and regular Vets), Honour Guard and Terminators.
>2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th
Mix of Battleline, Close Support and Fire Support squads. Battleline is Tacts, Intercessors, Heavy Intercessors. Close Support are Assault ints/ jump pack guys, bikes, assault centurions and stuff that goes close. Fire Support are big guns, Aggressors, Centurions, Devs, Hellblasters, Eradicators
>6-7th companies
Reserve company All Battleline
>8th
Reserve company All Close Support
>9th
Reserve company All Fire Support
>10th
A mix of scouts and veteran Vanguard squads that are more or less the spec-ops of the chapter

Marine goes from Neophyte to Fire Support to Close Support to Battleline. 6th-9th companies are training companies. When the top 5 are on a mission, they are supplemented with support from the marines and they get training during that. So if the Ultramarines 2nd Company needs some Melta support, they might pick some Eradicators from the 9th Company. As a Marine trains, he shifts around the companies, serving as support for the more experienced companies.

Once a marine is fully trained, he is put into one of the first 5 companies and is expected to able to use all of the various weapons he has trained with. A guy in the 2nd company might be told by his Captain/LT that they're going into a hive world where there might be Genestealers, so they're going as Infernus (i.e. everyone gets a flamer), but in another mission he might be an Intercessor, told to drive a tank or get a strapped to a jump pack.
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>TFW only know one metal recaster
How's the quality of BLM's metal recasts?
And how long does it take for them to arrive to Canadian customers?
Any more good metal recasters of metal models, please?
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>>97888383
If they could get the proper training outside of combat the entire time, what was the fucking point of the old structure?
>you're a retard
>said the faggot
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>>97888283
At this point gib the goblins their chance to become their own thing. Gitz have the same or even more charisma than Orks and if GSC, Custodes and Imperial Agents can have books so can the fucking Gretching Revolutionary Comitee
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>>97888278
>Do space marines spend hours training
... Yes?
Do you not know anything about Space Marines?
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>>97888392
nta but its simple

named characters sell
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>>97888324
A combi-bolter just for a driver seems like overkill
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>>97888404
Combat training isn’t the same as combat experience. And hey man, I was only agreeing with your own assessment of your intelligence.
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>>97888439
I’d want my driver to be well equipped if I was being driven into a 40k warzone
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>>97888314
>Why is Alan Bligh remembered so fondly?
He's responsible for the later half of Imperial Armour books aswell as the entire Horus Heresy game. He had a very particular vision for the setting and the game that is seen a superior quality and passion to the basic GW releases. He also died of cancer abruptly leaving a lot of unfinished work that has since been cancelled. If you haven't, check the Imperial Armour books or the Horus Heresy red and black books and see for yourself why.
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>>97888392
>What made GW start failing at their setting being a toolbox and becoming more of a theme park ride then?
I'm not a wizard but I think it's because hobbies were kinda dying, at least GW's were.

40k was more popular in the 2000s than it was in the 80s or 90s, but I can tell you that even in the 2000s it was niche. Warhammer nerds were nearly all young adults with subpar hygiene, with a good portion of teenagers/kids, all with various kinds of autism.
I don't think it was sustainable as the influx of new blood was pretty rare, partly due to people being downright hostile. I'm not talking "gatekeeping", I'm saying hostile to new people. It was hard to carve yourself into a group.

The modern entertainment model is a theme park ride because it's controllable, reliable and palatable by most people.
Take video game RPGs. Most people won't go into RPGs; it's asking too much and giving them too little. Making your own character? Making your own destiny? Fucking around with a game world? Nope.
So what is a modern RPG? It's a theme park ride: you are the chosen one, you go on the main quest and you have side quests/rides on the side. That's something the common man/woman can enjoy no problem.

Most people don't want a hammer, saw, nails and wood to make their own chair to look at the birds with their favorite drink, they want to book a week at the beach hotel and sunbath with a cold coca cola.

I hope I'm making sense.
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>>97888392
western companies are forced to always expand, so they need to get more people to buy their stuff for the lowest cost, so dumbing down your product is perfect because you can hire any hack to write anything, and it’ll bring in people who’d otherwise be filtered by your setting.
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>>97888461
>Most people won't go into RPGs; it's asking too much and giving them too little. Making your own character? Making your own destiny? Fucking around with a game world? Nope.
Under-estimating how many people got into DnD during Covid
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>>97888461
>food analogy
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>>97888428
As in: instead of going through the Dev -> assault -> tac process, nigger.
>>97888440
Neither of (you)
>implying
Are beating the faggot allegation
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>>97888429
they sell because they're unique. Keep spamming them and they lose this uniqueness.
Nobody's buying Glupus Shittus, Ultramarine 5th captain, or Maria Suereva the BL slop Cadian Major protagonist. Especially if they cost almost as much as a whole squad.
There are anons here who didnt even know Uriel Ventris has a new model.
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>>97888278
>"Then when do they get their training? Do they spend hours at the training range?"
>>97888498
>"n-no, I mean of course I know they spend hours training, b-but I was asking if they spend it on a DIFFERENT thing"
you can just admit you're new to the setting and need help
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>>97888482
>DnD covid
But anon, that is actively going into the sense of what I'm saying. The kind of DnD people got into during covid were those narrative campaigns, and not the oldschool dungeon crawler. Normalniggers don't want dungeon crawlers, they want the cool narrative story where they get to self insert.

A good portion of my friends got into the modern DnD during covid and it was exactly that. None of them actually liked it, they stopped doing it after a couple of campaigns none of which they finished, and why? Because since they didn't actually give a shit they could not figure out that back in the day you dungeon crawled because that allowed you to play with who is there and not being stuck since fuckwit and asswipe flaked.

So no, not under-estimating, very much on point.
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>>97888461
>Most people won't go into RPGs
That's straight up nonsense. Most of the best selling and best regarded games in the past decade have been RPGs. And in tabletop DnD has several magnitudes more players than 40k.
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>>97888264
BT, DA a close second, GK distant third, surprised you even included them desu.
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firstborniggers really aren't beating the secondary allegations, are they
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>>97888461
I think the popularity of games like Dispatch and Baldur’s Gate 3 run counter to this assessment because you can get quite different outcomes depending on your choices in those games. Not to mention those theme-park AAA games have been dying out in general, whether it be poor quality control or gamers just getting sick of them. I think Warhammer has gotten more popular popular because it compels players to find their own slice of the universe they want to be a part of, while James himself is perpetually behind the times and is still trying to build theme-parks.
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>>97888314
>do my homework for me
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>>97888521
That's a lot of words just to say "I assumed wrong and now you gotta be the (insert projection)."
Maybe next time you'll actually engage with the other person instead of trying to pick internet arguments that you still somehow lose.

Last (you) faggoto-kun
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>>97888528
>>97888535
see >>97888525
Modern RPG is skyrim
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>>97888531
This pic was taken about 2 weeks ago
Add a kitbashed vulkan proxy and a squad of Infernus proxies to it
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>>97888531
>I bet the nomodels did this
>t. nomodel
Every time.
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>>97888560
Except BG3, E33 and shit like Disco Elysium are right there.
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>>97888551
Nice backtracking
>"Then when do they get their training? Do they spend hours at the training range?"
You are asking if Marines spend hours at the training range. No amount of backpedalling will erase the shame of you not knowing the first thing about Marines
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>>97888570
>that fucking cata termi
ZEUS, YOUR SON HAS RETURNED
>gave the oldschool fist to the mk5 castraferrum ven dread
That's my kind of 'tism
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>>97888576
>accuses others of being a nomodels
>does not himself post models

Curious
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This whole thing is funny as hell because the new post-primaris chapter organization and marine training / promotion pathway is the exact same as the firstborn one but replacing the words "assault" "devastator" and "tactical" with "battleline" "fire support" and "Close support"
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>>97888570
Please James Workshop make castraferrums good in 11th.
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>>97888560
Oblivion>Skyrim
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>>97888392
The commercialization thing is true but it's also just bloat. If you have any sort of canon whatsoever, 30 years of stories are going to establish a lot of rules just by the trail they leave.
Star Wars had the same problem, anyone writing basically has to be a lifelong fan, consult a loremaster, or piss off the fans, when the early stores weren't under the same constraints.
In 40k, you can set /yourdudes/ in bumfuck nowhere and have a lot of freedom though, but there's constraints like their faction rules, technology rules, etc.
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>>97888570
mmmmm boney
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>>97888579
Tell me anon, what makes you think BG3, E33 and Disco are going against the point?
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>>97888588
that's not cata it's tartaros, you can tell because it looks like shit
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>>97888613
e33 is basically just paper mario with the tone of some of the older final fantasies
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>>97888590
>t. did exactly that
>and still tries to divert attention away from himself
I know exactly what you are.
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>>97888619
You're right and you're wrong. In that order.

>>97888622
Exactly, it's a modern RPG: a theme park ride.
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If I were to use Citadel Plastic Glue over my Tamiya Extra Thin Cement to combine the hand of an Eldar model to an arm, would the results be the same and be a pain in the fucking ass to attach, requiring me to apply it a bunch of times?
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>>97888298
trolls aren't greenskins
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>>97888598
It's funny because it's different but pretending to be the same. And that's working by the looks of it.
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>>97888560
I think calling a 15 year old game a modern rpg is a stretch. The original Final Fantasy 7 wasn’t 15 years old when Skyrim came out. The game philosophy was also wholly rejected by players in Starfield as well.
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>>97888640
I have a solution

>>97888602
>gets locked to HH
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>>97888645
>Starfield
*Pukes*
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>>97888633
> [insert game] is a theme lark ride
wtf does that even mean? Theme park rides let me go do side rails, unlock how to tide looks, and choose where I finish the ride?
The only theme park ride here is your mom's cunt, with how many traffic it has. Its a miracle you're not part dog.
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>>97888613
They are nothing like Skyrim.
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>>97888654
WOAH! Greenface is not cool, bro.
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>>97888654
It'd be weird considering they are currently legends in 30k. But seeing GW's complete disdain to anything classic space marines it wouldn't surprise me they would jsut squat it unceremoniously.
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>>97888570
So cool and comfy
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>>97888645
If a 15 year old thing is still a pioneer and trend setter for a modern phenomena, it's a modern -thing-. The modern era of human History starts in 1500.
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Is BLM russian or chinese?
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>>97886876
shittery
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>>97888705
ukrainian
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>>97888637
It would be a pain because there’s not a lot of surface area contact between a hand and an arm of that size more than what plastic glue you use. You would score either side of connection points to increase the surface area, and then leave the piece alone to cure completely before handling again. Though check on it before it completely cures to make sure the bits stayed in position
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>>97888664
>>97888665
>wtf does it mean
It means it's more restrictive and focuses on giving most players a very similar experience. It's an exagerated way to say it. It's not one literal path, but they are very much developed with a few (or single) main paths, with side content. The context matters: it's a comparison between two eras, one being more restrictive than the other. Don't miss the forest for the trees.

It's okay if you don't get it.
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>>97888664
>The only theme park ride here is your mom's cunt, with how many traffic it has. Its a miracle you're not part dog.
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>>97888671
You call that greenface? This, is greenface.

>>97888684
I think at one point GW will bring them back, and unless something changes about 40k, 30k is the only place they can be brought back.
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>>97888718
Every single RPG is like that anon. Unless they have no actual story and everything is procedural.
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>>97888664
You're not tall enough for this ride, buddy
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People complain about food analogies but at least that's something (most) can wrap their little heads around.
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>>97888729
I mean they are bringing back speeders for some reason so it's not impossible but I just don't get why they'd handle it this way. Redemptors are way to big to be the standard dread. They are bigger than leviathans. They can thematically work as 40k's poor attempt at replicating leviathans, they even have the same flaw in burning through the pilot. So why force them to be a replacement to regular dreads? People would buy the big dread purely because it's a big dread, like leviathans, no need to force it. Though it would definitely help if redemptors looked cool and had awesome guns like leviathans instead of looking like pot bellied, lanky castraferrums.
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>>97888456
>surgically mutilated
Love that line.
It's also nice poin of how Imperium was, even when it was "good old days"
That or because AdMech are funny in their horryfying aspects.
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>>97888758
You need to explain concepts through food to achieve a consistent explantion anon?
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>Accidently put too much primer on one of the feet of the model that I tried to wipe away excess and now there's a tiny slight gray spot on his feet
Would using white scar base paint fix the issue or would I require my white scar primer for this shit?
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>>97888767
>bringing back speeders
Same reason why they brought back termies, vets, assault marines and scouts.

For boxnaughts in 40k best I could see is a redesign/variant of redemptors meant to look even more like boxnaughts. Redemptors are already primaris boxnaughts, that's why they have the "beer belly"; it's keeping with the original shape/silouhette.

pic related (?)
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>>97888785
admech do a little trolling
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>>97888785
I like that 30k is seen as a golden age of the imperium despite being horrible. Like how some people look back on the middle ages and antiquity fondly when slavery and dying of disentry was normal.
>a more sensible time without the internet
>oops, lead poisoning, my leg needs to be amputated and half the village died of a plague
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>>97888785
Now compare that to current 40k admech releases.
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>>97888793
>I'm too retarded to understand anything but food analogies
>this is your fault
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>>97888800
Nah, for redemptors to actually look like classic dreadnoughts you'd need to replace almost every single part of the model. Besides, the point still stands, redemptors are way to big to be the basic dreadnought. Terminators and vets never went anywhere. Speeders were squatted in 10th. Classic dreads "survived" with dogshit rules that had zero updates throughout the entire edition but every other classic dread kit was squatted, except the space wolves one, probably because Bjorn is still around.
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>>97888823
why admech will always be better at hh?
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>>97888607
>Star Wars had the same problem, anyone writing basically has to be a lifelong fan, consult a loremaster, or piss off the fans, when the early stores weren't under the same constraints.
Both Legends and Disney Cannon were a bit trapped with this focus in Skywalker fammily.
But Still the Legends actually expanded into something else than bassicaly all OG trilogy that the current Disney bs is doing. In legends we had The Old Republic, Darth Bame books, And fuck at least Legends went further into a Future with Admitedly Skubby YuzanWong.l but still it was something.
Disney cannon is constantly memberberrying in OG trilogy and some Table Scraps for CloneWars guys.
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>>97888847
I'm sorry, but redemptors are primarified boxnaughts. I could go and trace the shapes and compare them both but I don't think it's worth the time.

Where are the shoulders from that pic? Conversion or 3rd party?
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>>97888860
they aren't lmao
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>>97888860
40k designers are talentless hacks that are envious of 30k designers doing everything better than them so they make stuff shit on purpose out of spite.
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>>97888847
that's just a redemptor with different shoulders and the cover for the sarcophagus left off and it already looks near-identical to the castaferrum
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>>97888868
Im sorry but you can't get worse than The STILT MAN
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>>97888860
HH mech is simply
>techpriests
>techpriests with weapons
>combat servitors
>robots/cyborgs
>vehicles
They took what already existed and expanded on it.

40k admech tried to be something weird.
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>>97888876
stiltman looks better than those and if you think otherwise you're delusional
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>>97888865
No mate. You have to change the shape of the entire armour to make it look even similar. And that still leaves the arms with a completely different structure (the ballistus does keep the classic gun arm structure) and completely different legs with very spindly proportions. If it's meant to be a direct update, which is not, it does a shit job at it.
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>>97888868
>>97888876
I actually like both and I think the HH pilgrims would be great as darkmech troops with a little more chaos appeal.

Also I hate GW chainmail, it's just a bunch of shapes overlapping instead of being a CHAIN
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>>97888812
Yea a d It's funny how othen DarkMech (when GW remembers they exist) is just.
>We do the same but also add demons and sew Chaos stars on our clothes.
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>>97888868
*flap* *flap* *flap*
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>>97888868
?
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>>97888900
are you trying to say these look worse than those 30k shits or are anywhere near the same
because you're insane with either of those claims
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>>97888906
What issue do you have with the pylgrims that isn't also on the sicarians?
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>>97888876
>>97888900
>you go through hellish surgeries
>bassicaly a variation of >>97888812
>you still end up looking stupid
Thuly a grimdark universe....
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>>97888914
>pinheads
>legs disproportionately long
>world of warcraft rifles
>the worst chainmail known to man
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Going off the 11e trailer I'm not sure what the selling point of the 11e launch box is supposed to be on the marines side other than "more marines", honestly
like fuck, leviathan had new termies and a dreadnaught
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>>97888906
I was thinking your gripe was with them having bird legs, but now I’m really confused because the pilgrims aren’t exactly perfect, but aside from the weird legs I don’t see any glaring flaws
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>shitters now trying to pretend sicarians look bad
they're so desperate now that they can't pretend 30k admech is better anymore lmao
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>>97888930
How was the 10th edition set not "more marines"?
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>>97888930
dreadnought. fuck i'm tired
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What is a good source for 3pp White Scars bits? The Pop Goes the Monkey bits work for like shoulder pads and all, but I'm looking for like vehicle related stuff and especially alternate heads that fit the Mongol vibe
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>>97888938
I don't think sicarians look bad, I just think they have the same kind of legs as pylgrims and hating one and not the other makes little sense.
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>>97888889
>No mate
WHAT DO YOU MEAN "NUH-UH"?
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>>97888957
>I just think they have the same kind of legs as pylgrims
then you're blind and shouldn't be piping up in the first place
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>>97888962
Are you stupid?
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>>97888938
>>97888957
I thought you guys said Sicaran :'C
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>>97888972
Are you? I've done the job of your neocortex: the redemptor is a modern boxnaught. I didn't say it was good, I didn't say it was retarded. But it's very much an updated boxnaught design and directly follows its shape. It doesn't have to be a 1:1 remake, the same way primaris marines aren't 1:1 remakes of what they replaced.
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>>97888930
the selling point is that they’re marines, and they know marinepiggies are still going to eat it up no matter what.
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>>97888997
why are you even here nomodels
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>>97889001
look in your heart, you know it to be true.
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>>97889007
Notice he didn't answer the question
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>>97888930
Seeing how the content of the box is
>intercessors 2
>return of the speeder
>assault vets we knew were coming
>new not-devastators
It feels more like a meh SM wave that happened to fall on the new edition schedule.
So no real selling point. Same deal with orks, it's mostly refresh, with one new unit and the return of a very old one.
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>>97888637
I like to smell the glue because it makes me think about 2023 which makes me think about when I was a teenager smelling the glue. good times. Got fucked on taxes this year fuck you drumpft.
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>>97888881
Most 40k ad mech looks fine.
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>>97889034
he already admitted to being blind stop trying to reason with him
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>>97889034
Weird doesn't mean bad
>>97889037
It was my first post in that discussion. I like both ranges.
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>>97889046
I mean, HH ad mech is plenty fucking weird too, do I have to mention the snailpriest?
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>>97888991
Highlighting equivalent parts doesn't make them have the same shape or proportion mate.
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>>97889065
>proportions
Did primaris marines have the same proportions as old marines? I didn't claim they had the same proportions.
>equivalent
I can't make a blind man see, you have a side by side color coded image, you know primaris were a reboot/remake of marines, figure it out.
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>>97889015
ork side definitely has selling points
>new mek/dread walker equivalent
>wartrakk coming back
>refresh to battleline models that haven’t been refreshed since 3rd edition
>refresh to characters that are either resin or are outright not being sold anymore
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>>97889206
Orks had lots of good options for a big update. Space Marines only had a few and they're some of the least exciting kits left in the range since they got all the big ones last edition. They really needed something new and flashy in there too and the speeder just is not it.
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>>97889206
Yeah but it's still mostly refreshes. I hope the trakk looks good.

So to re-answer the original question of "what's the big special thing?": nothing much "special".
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>>97889015
It's missing an Ork-Hunter special lieutenant and a gravis librarian.
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>>97889275
I’d argue a bunch of really outdated kits getting a big box is a pretty big selling point, but the big walking gun platform is pretty special.
>inb4 its just a reskinned dread
I’m going to find you and dump your models in nail polish remover.
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>>97889275
i have to ask, how needed was this whole refresh for orks?
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>>97889206
I just can’t care for the character updates. They’re inherently supposed to be something that (you) are supposed to make yourself. The rest is fine sure but with that in mind I basically want half of half the box. The new boyz, the war track, and the dread.
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>>97888893
7 fucking years
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>>97889319
Less than Dark Eldar or Grey Knights, more than most other factions. Orks do have a lot of old shit and especially a lot of lost data sheets from vehicles and such.
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It fucking sucks how traitor guard can’t ever be a thing because mechanically speaking, they would just be gene stealer cults but worse with maybe a bit of dark pacts in there.
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>>97889359
The way is going full Chaos Machinery bullshit. Is time for Dark Mech.
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>>97889389
neither darkmech or traitor guard will split from the chaos codex
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>AARRRGGHHH NOOOOO THIS VIDEOGAME DOESN'T DISPLAY A CERTAIN THING LIKE A BLACK LIBRARY NOVEL DID 25 YEARS AFTER THE FACT, THIS GAME DOES NOT REPRESENT WARHAMMER 40,000 IN ITS CURRENT STATE OKAY!?!?!?

remember when 40k was a sandbox setting
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>>97889343
I'm just imagining how much more hype this box would look with Black Templar facing off against Dark Eldar. The basic intercessors could have way more bling or scars and battle damage with black armor Kabals facing off against them. You could have the speeder facing off against some new skimmer gunship. Green goblin flyer guys and jump packing vanguards with hammers and lightning claws clashing in the air. Bladeguard Captain fighting a multi-armed Haemonculus while Grotesques charge his devastators.
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>>97889402
I wonder what's the real reason for this, it reads like legalese of some form, but I don't think there is any legal reason to state the difference.
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>>97889425
>drugged up Hellions in dogfights with VanVets and a speeder above the war below
radical
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>>97889425
>Dark Eldar
Yawn, next!
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>>97889402
>>97889431
>depictions, presentations
It uses the old models for a lot of units which are now antiquated or discontinued
>Lore
The Guardsmen enemies are blatantly Steel Legion recolors, which may trigger autists. Also
>Lone Fire Warrior solos a company of Marines and a Lord of Change
Is bound to throw up some flags.
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>>97889456
those are clearly dkok anon
it's quiet
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This guy is mostly done. I need to hold myself back with highlighting stuff lest it take me forever to finish my backlog. Just need to shade and highlight the gun and the under-suit too. Thoughts?
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>>97889479
Are the highlights too weak? It’s light glazes of dark reaper and some weak edge highlights
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>>97889456
apparently this content warning is on all the re-released games today
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>>97889479
>>97889483
very basic but you've got the basics done correctly it seems. good enough for a gaming piece and you could always go back to it at some point to fancy it up.
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>>97889483
Might be partially because of the lighting but yeah the highlights are barely visible. Also the fist looks like it has close to no shading. You could try applying a wash directly into the recesses
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I got a new camera so I can take actually nice photos of my plastic men that show off all the dust particles.

I figured out a nice yellow for the trim. I'm really really really really enjoying this project, I think I might end up a full on chaos knight collector.
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The roundness of the new Van Vets is what bother me I realize. I think the Sternguard and Bladeguard Vets were well received because their extra ornamentation broke up the overly round shapes of the Primaris armor and injected a gothic feel back into the Space Marine look. The new Van Vets, at least the one shown off so far doesn’t achieve that. I think they should have gone with an older jump pack design, one that could break up the shapes of the Mk 10 armor like the Storm Shields and tabards of the other vets.
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>>97888868
These are the only semi questionable model in the admech range, and they fucking turbo dunk on half the 40k range still (electro priests, horses, ect)
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>>97889660
doghorses are kino, you're a tasteless subhuman faggot
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>>97889359
With deatchments, I really dont know why they dont make a traitor guard one. Replace the imperium word with chaos yada yada, maybe can soup in damned units and demons.
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>changer of the ways
>the great mutator
>weaver of all fates
>turns magnus from a big red guy into a big red guy with wings
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*mogs the 40k range to death*
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>>97889686
>literally just a greater blight drone but shittier
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>>97889693
Mogged.
To death.

Accept it, denying it when the mogging is this brvtal makes it worse. Like pretending manlet marines aren't fuck ugly.
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oh, it's just another zoomie trying and failing to shitpost
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>>97889479
bolter your hole drills
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Baits used to require some work...
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>>97889501
I didn’t do any shading on the armor and ye you’re right it definitely needs some. The basecoat is half macragge blue half black so a black shade or lining will work. Then I can see how much more highlighting he needs from there.

>>97889713
I did but you can’t see it from that angles
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When you think about it, dark angels are alll in dresses. They’re the femboy marines.
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>>97888868
>>97888876
https://youtu.be/-EwJ9PkcZk4
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Is this one good?
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>>97889721
>I did but you can’t see it from that angles
ok wow I am retarded
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>>97889725
its okay
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How much of techmarines and apothecaries should be chapter colors vs specialist colors?
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>>97889742
usually it's just the shoulder in chapter colors but you can do whatever you want
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>>97889742
>cannon
All the identifying color except a helmet or shoulder pad
>aesthetically
All chapter except a helmet or a shoulder pad
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>>97889742
In Rogue Trader they had a bunch of different schemes for Apothecaries, though usually it’s just the shoulder done in Chapter colors. I think Techmarines are red cause they study at Mars itself, maybe if they have to get sent to another Forgeworld for whatever reason they could end up a different color.
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After using the Citadel Spray Stick, some of my models still have some grey areas left. I don't know if this product is good or if I'm using it wrong.
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>>97889772
>cause they study at Mars itself
The shit where everyone has to go to the Sol system for certain training (librarians are the same but for Terra) was always stupid. Shrinks the setting for no good reason. Especially dumb for techmarines when they have every other forge world available and narrative potential for endless narrative variety in chapter-forgeworld alliances.
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>>97889882
Can I start painting it or should I cover more of the grey?
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What's wrong with this one point
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>>97889882
It’s because Citadel’s white primers suck. Their white paint in general is underwhelming.
>>97889891
If you’re doing slap chop you might want to do another pass, or at the very least do an all white base coat. If you’re doing base paints you can get away with just going over them so long as you aren’t fingering the model or excessive rubbing it and paint using a handle.
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>>97889885
Keeping Sol as the centre of the Imperium keeps it grounded in what 40k is supposed to be about. If everything was completely decentralized, then the there wouldn't be any point in its overwrought hellish bureaucracy, and it would be a lot more reasonable and internally consistent setting. In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only centralized federalism.
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>>97889902
it's the worst part of the setting, guard literally only were created as a way to draw in historicalfags and it was only to the detriment of the setting and playerbase
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>>97889902
Nothing. It's just primarch capeshit fags seething.
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>>97889902
Mostly overexposure. It was a fine point the first time. It's painful to hear the hundredth.
Also it's generally wrapped up in a thing about how brave and badass they are while ignoring the fact that the army is so routinely cowardly that they need a hq who's entire job is shooting the ones that run off.
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>>97889920
still waiting on your models btw
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>>97889902
Was there an Eldar version of this one?
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>>97889885
>variety in chapter-forgeworld alliances.
that’s exactly why they force them to go to the Sol system to train. they want to ensure everything revolves and is reliant on the Sol system. if a random forgeworld grows in strength and influence because they have the best schooling around, marines may become more attached to those planets than Mars.
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>>97888154
An absolute fuckton, narrow it down for us, what kind of camo do you want? Soft edge, hard edge, specific colors, MERDC, Berlin Brigade City Camo? Simplest is just doing a single color and then dry brushing on a second color like the old Armageddon patterns.
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Now that 10th is a wrap, which factions were the biggest losers and winners in each of:
>Models
>Lore
>Rules
>Tournament Performance
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>>97889940
Yes, it had a single line;
>I really wanna fuck an Elf woman
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>>97889359
imperial guard already exists so gsc dont need to exist except that's wrong and there's no reason why you can't have regiments like blood pact that get buffed by chaaos in opposition to IG and GSC brood brothers in leman russes with spikes and tentacles.
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>start this collage entry
>realise that a deff dread only comes with one skorcha

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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>>97889359
>mechanically they'd just be X but Y
has literally never stopped GW before
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>>97889902
Nothing, it's the best part
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A. What are hive planet populations like? Tens of billions, hundreds of billions?
B. How many individual hive cities will one usually find on such a planet?
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been busy building up my dark angels army while steadily draining my pile of shame of at least 2 boxes a day ! what have (You) fags been working on ?
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https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/71828/Warhammer_40000_Classics/


are we buyed?
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>>97890103
I might get a couple when they get lower price, I'm not paying 8 bucks for games that old
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>>97890103
These have been on GOG for like 10 years. What's the point of buying them again but with extra steam DRM.
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Man I have no hope that 11th will be an improvement at all. I am almost certain that we are getting seasonal board layouts with the footprints sold by GW. The comp cancer is going to be overwhelming and inescapable.
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>>97890103
>a big pile of dogshit shovelware that happens to have WH branding
>and DoW1/2 if you haven't already had them both for 15+ years at this point
Nah, I'm good chief.
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>>97890130
You don't need to play how GW suggests you play bruh. You can make your own board layouts and rules if you want.
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>>97890145
Tell the 40k community in my city. Every single request for a game on the FLGS disc is people looking for “ competitive “ games
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how do I paint company markings on marines with shknees that don't have distinct kneepads like mk2/3/4/5/7/8/10 have
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>>97890103
Warhammer nostalgia is so fucking over rated it’s not even funny. Id care more for a Conan revival than gw trying to dig its roots back up, or literally any other pop culture media that inspired warhammer in general. Fuck I wish the Japanese entertainment industry was ran by fucking Jews.
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>>97890147
sounds like you need to make friends who think the way you do and perhaps play at your house instead of an LGS
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>>97890157
Wish it wasnt*
I Blame my phones jewelry for that.
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I wonder if terminators are worth it for world eaters, guaranteed rapid fire 4 after deepstriking sounds cool
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>>97890167
just proxy them as eightbound
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>>97890103
the only one i was interested in was Fire Warrior and the reviews say the port is dogshit and it has less settings that the day it released.
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>>97890171
I kinda like how the exalted eightbound look, not really the regular ones though
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>>97890151
paint the shins
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>>97889725
Its okay. The NL are retards, as usual.
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>>97890183
but that would look shitty with company markings like the vertical/diagonal stripes
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>>97889956
NTA but I accidentally did the USMC's desert camo painting my bone colored Marines vehicles.
Just paint the dominant color, dab the other colors on with your favored dry brush, recess shade, clean up, highlight
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>>97889940
That's fucking impossible, because GW does everything in its power to curtail enthusiasm for the faction. It would just be:
>praise Jes Goodwin
>bitch about Mike brooks
>bitch about Gav Thorpe
>recite obscure lore from the LotR appendices
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>>97890203
At this point I'm buying a camera just to fix the issues with phone pics
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>>97890208
Your phone automatically makes the longest axis of a photo horizontal. Take the photo into paint or powerpoint or something, rotate it, save the image again, then post it.
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I wonder if upgrades for units will to as far as being straight up war gear, even if it’s in a limited sense. Like for instance, you can upgrade a Intercessor Squad into a Tactical Squad by bringing 1 special weapon for every 5 guys.
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>>97890273
Would you pay 20 points to upgrade one intercessor into a Primaris HotGun FlameShooter or whatever they're called.
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>>97890283
>pay extra points to give an auto hit gun to your units
Yeah
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>>97889431
We are autistic as fuck, to be fair. Not a bad thing either.
>>97890207
I have never even considered playing Eldar and those are objectively based, besides bitching about Gav Thorpe.
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>>97890203
Space Marines with realistic color schemes tickle my brain for some reason.
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>>97890273
No.
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you guys want a freshly baked bread?
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>>97890273
they explained it, it will be like enhancements currently. so it will be more like +15 points for a unit to redeploy. +10 points for +1 OC. +25 points for reroll 1 to hit on objectives.
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>>97890203
Needs more ERA
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>>97890394
I love the M60 but the Rise evokes visceral disgust in me. It's not how my beloved tank should look
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>>97890103
It's nice that they added this stuff but I already have everything that would have interested me via gog
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>>97889686
The resin one looked better
I don't like the dome eye or the lack of a targeting skull on the plastic one
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>>97890378
yeah please
i've got a model to post and i want to maximise my (you)s
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>>97889684
>changer of the ways
>the great mutator
>his basic minions are a bunch of unchanging fleshless automata
I HATE THOUSAND SONS I HATE THOUSAND SONS
I LOOOOVE TZEENTCH BUT I HAAATE THE THOUSAND SONS
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>go to LGS
>buy a Castellan Crowe to convert for monthly collage
>come home, build model to stand on dead space wolf
>spray it around lunch time
>do base coats before dinner
>done nearly whole model now before bed
solidly productive day. will post the model tomorrow.
>old pic semi related
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>>97890434
But that's the irony of 1ksons, they tried to stop all the mutations and so they got turned into dust for their hubris.
At lesat the exalted socrerer kit has some cool mutations :D
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>>97890434
post your alpha legion tzeentch warband you daydreaming failure
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>>97890434
so make <your dudes> tzeentch aligned csms
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Joe Warhambler had a bad day in Space Marine 2
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>>97890467
What the fuck does this have to do with me? I love Rubrics.
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Page 8, fresh bread for anyone who wants to get a new discussion going

>>97890579
>>97890579
>>97890579
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>>97890062
It depends. Can be hundreds of billions and dozens of hives.
Or could be some weird world with 1 hive and a 10 billion
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>>97887073
Weak sculpt

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