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Imperial Fists Edition
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>thread question:
In your opinion what sets a person's homebrew from the rest of the homebrew in a positive way?
Also Ian Watson has passed away. Pour one out for him.
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Feel free to post your drilled and un-drilled barrels now faggots.
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>>97886876
Moar like Shit Eaters edition amirite?
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>What assets/templates etc. are you using anon?
For the book or for the renders? Book I have nothing atm but I've used Ilovepdf to get the backgrounds pics of GW books before so I'll try to see if any of my IA pdfs works. For the renders I'm just modelling them from scratch using the new 30k colour plates as reference for proportions.
>I'm still looking for a proper grainy filter for the model photos.
Photopainting is like black magic to me I wish I knew how to do it. For now I'm just starting with the colour plates and the order of battle autism. Some inked pencil sketch here and there if I like how my shit drawing skills look like.
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How are your collage entries coming along, anons? Reposting mine from last night, I’m getting a late start on it but happy so far.
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>TQ
Generally when the homebrew is by someone who actually has painted models accompanying the homebrew it makes the homebrew feel more genuine and fun to skim over.
I don't know why. Maybe it is just me.
>Ian Watson passed away
I hope this is misinformation, but to be fair most of the original lads are passing away or close to it now.
He did good for 40k. They all did.
Was or are there any big shots at GW that genuinely did good for Warhammer 40k as a whole?
Does Alan Bligh count?
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>>97886902
what’s the collage this month?
little lelith hesperax proxy I’m working on, but I need a different head
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>>97886939
space wolves getting destroyed or crucible character from the maelstrom book though you can have both if you like. you could paint that dude in space wolves colors and you should be good.
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FALSE space wolves getting destroyed got first place and crucible character was added in as a secondary option to allow people who don’t own space marines or don’t want to participate in mocking someone to post their submissions.
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>>97886957
Shit I was planning on dedicating the rest of this month to my defiler, would having a limb impaling a space wolf terminator be enough to submit it to the collage? I think I have a spare one on sprue from an old project
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Played a game of 5th edition on Saturday.
We were using the Cities of Death supplement, if urban warfare is your jam I wholeheartedly recommend playing this.
While I did enjoy the game, so much bullshit happened during it, holy shit..
I'll avoid spamming the thread since I'm not good at writing these things, so it's just the highlights.
As per the scenario we chose, each of us had to select a building/ruin in opposite quadrands of the map that would act as out FOBs, we had to capture the opponent's base to win the scenario. We both picked 3 stratagem cards(very flavourful, it's a fun read). One of the stratagems I picked allowed me to place several tank traps on the map to make passage impossible for vehicles(I later learned that it made the game really difficult for my friend)
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Guys, there was a thing in the news recently about some literature surveying team finding some of Shakespeare's long lost works. It was so long that they needed 5 people to transport it.
It turned out they just read an 11th edition datasheet ability section.
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>>97886897
Thanks for responding!
I meant for the book. Sorry if I was too vague.
I have been looking for an image editor like Photoshop (or I might stop being scared of viruses and just pirate it) to hopefully be able to create all filters and templates within the software like the beige "parchment" background colours of the image you used in your post.
Then hopefully after that be able to take "on the ground angled" photos of miniatures and then photoshop them to look cinematic.
A grainy filter is meant to cover up amateur goofs on my part.
Not to say that the IA model photos were bad. There is a special kind of ingredient intertwined with talent those ForgeWorld graphics designers had that I lack and I hope it leaks somehow. Stuff looks deceptively simple to be honest.
But sometimes loads of photo effects can work without a filter too.
Pic related.
Pic related sauce: https://www.deviantart.com/arkurion/art/Purge-them-with-fire-Death-Kor ps-Heavy-Flamer-780072231
Good luck on your project anon!
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>Every model so far has ranged from OK to utter dogshit
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>decide to take a look at my model before posting
>see clear coffee staining on a bunch of details
shieeet. still, I’m a man of my word, and eagerly await your models, and an answer to my question that I will rephrase.
how many model posters here have coffeestained slop? the only one I can think of are MY models.
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>>97886974
>Predator and Razorback spend 3 turns shooting eachother without anything happening, both survive until the end of the game
>Scouts move in the open to run to the next set of ruin to place a homer beacon for the Terminators to drop in and maul the Rhino carrying BA veterans and the Baal Predator next to it, roll a 2 and get stuck in an open field
>they place the beacon and brace for the hell that's to come
>Tiberius, scout sargeant that survived my previous game against the same opponent, is the last person standing after Baal Predator opens fire, he will survive the game and has earned himself a purity seal as a reward
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>>97887015
I think my boys mog yours but I still like yours and love your positive energy here, didn't know it was you.
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I feel like the new weirdboy is missing something. I kinda want to carve an exposed brain into his head
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The new weirdboy is beautiful. I love the wires floating all around him signalling warp energy being present instead of a ton of lightning bolts everywhere, and the 1 lightning bolt being between his head and staff. I don't mind the smaller arms here because weirdboys are, well, weird. Not typical Orks where they'd be extremely buff and huge due to swinging their choppas around all day. This git works out at the library.
Can't wait to paint one of these guys. I can already see how I'll apply my scheme.
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>>97887039
>on the oposide side of the board, Master of the Forge accompanied by Sternguards, an Assault Cannon Razorback and squad of snipers will face off against a 10 man blob of 10 assualt marines, Jump Chaplain with Chapter Honor Guard
>Razorback moves in to shoot the side of the Vindicator with a Hunter Killer Missile, ofcourse it misses
>under combined Sternguard and Sniper fire, followed by melee, the assault marines are killed off
>Honor Guard shrug off assault cannon fire from the Venerable Dreadnought and swoop down to eventually kill everyone on this side of the board except for the Razorback which goes on to destroy the Vindicator's main weapon. They now have a clear path towards my base.
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>>97887039
Fantastic looking game anon, very based of you.
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>>97887073
I like him. I have marines and orks so this box is pretty much a no-brainer, but probably late into the edition when I can snag a copy for cheap at the LGS. They still have copies of Leviathan for $100 lol
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>eldar starters right now
Corsairs
>ork starters
Da starter box
But the starter box, you can either buy the orks on ebay for 100 bucks and that's 840 points or ssell the space marine half of the box to your friend/split it with them, while the Corsairs are just 200 bucks for 400 point sof models.
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>>97887073
I love the model except for the lightning effect. It's too thick. Might try to use some thin wires instead.
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>>97886876
>tq
Lore that isn't picrel.
Something to set it apart from official successor chapters besides "being cooler".
Not having more art than minis (yes you know who I'm talking about)
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>I hope this is misinformation
Weird thing to assume.
>Was or are there any big shots at GW that genuinely did good for Warhammer 40k as a whole?
Wouldn't every big name in the studio in the Good Old Days count? Are there any villains of the story besides Kirby or faceless execs?
I agree Alan Bligh was one of the best though.
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>>97887107
Lol no, that guys from the blood claws kit. Traded a bit of ammo to a buddy who has space wolves for a few for this exact purpose. And Bleak Bros would be cool, but I was planning on going with Night Lords. I have a bat helm and a spear for the next guy.
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>>97887081
>meanwhile, while terminators jump in, the action in the middle develops
>due to bad positioning I end up with a blob of bikes and infantry, perfect for the Vindicator to splash, shot scatters on two unfortunate bikes which end up blowing up
Terminators appear on the board and with lucky shots from the assault cannon, end up wrecking the Rhino carrying the vets, along with a Librarian(represented by Mephiston) and Corbulo
>Chapter Master blasts vets with a combi-flamer and ends up scoring a couple kills
>shrug off every shot from the Baal Predator, ignore it and move towards the enemy base while the veterans run off due to some lucky rolls towards my bikes
>infantry in the middle takes positions in the craters and will end up facing Death Company marines inside the Razorback
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Thank you!
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He is jerking off squats against their will in the Webway now
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Final Grotesque finished. Painting hand warmed up. Time for the rest of the army.
I put the chain cuffs on him for the Talos chain flails but realized I didn’t give him a chain weapon. So I slapped these up his ass. Don’t have a name for them so I’m going with “ass grapples” unless anyone has a better one.
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>I wish that dude was still active so I could ask how they made all those edits. I haven't seen a proper guide or tutorial anywhere.
>https://www.deviantart.com/arkurion/journal/New-Tutorial-and-Backgrou nd-Song-349184780
I think the videos are down or I am retarded with Youtube links.
>It's hard to search when you don't know how the technique is called.
Yeah that's one of my problems with this whole thing. I know Mantic hired a guy to make some visuals for their models of their WarPath models.
He called them "paintovers" but it feels like that is not the industry standard name.
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>>97887161
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY4D4iCkvro
Video works but it's a painting tutorial, nothing about the photo editing.
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Five more chosen to my IW done.
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>>97887161
>He called them "paintovers" but it feels like that is not the industry standard name.
Wasn't this kind of thing also done a lot in the toy industry in the 00s? When digital editing was available but they couldn't just do the whole thing in CGI.
The Forge World way of doing it as a really crunchy pseudo-photograph is rather unique though.
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The other five I made before
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>>97887172
GW keeps doing it, every single 10th edition 40k box has that, but as you say, in the common toy style instead of the pseudo historic style FW used.
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>>97886996
warhammer is expensive in general, but neither army is too bad. elves are pretty elite so you’ll need fewer models but orks are cheaper per model.
Orks are primarily a fighting army with some shooty elements while eldar are a primarily a shooty army with some melee elements.
Elves aren’t super hard to paint because they’re mostly monocolored body suits with some little greebles and you’re painting far fewer of them so you’ll have a painted army quicker than Orks. Elves ARE a bitch to build, it’s going to take more time to build a model versus the mostly ball and socket orks.
Elves are generally a more complicated army to play and much less beginner friendly. Orks are have some naunce too, with learning how to set up your GO turn and when to initiate your GO turn.
Elves have feels bad games. sometimes you stomp someone with cheese and sometimes you get tabled in two turns. Ive always enjoyed the games I play against Orks and Ork players. There’s a little more bullshit factor with elves.
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>>97887135
Overall, the fight in the middle ends up not being too interesting, the gist of it is, Tacticals get rekt by DC, run off towards the side of the board, and hold further back where they eventually end up killed by the vets that have been coming towards them.
>Tactical squad in my FOB provides covering fire, which kills two more
>embedded lascannon and plasma gun roll 1s to hit two turns in a row
>DC run up to my Venerable Dreadnought and leave it a crippled metal nugget without arms and legs, after which they run off towards my base screaming something about Horus, leaving my dreadnought very confused
This is the point where some serious BS starts to happen
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One of the many changes that turn me off from modern editions
>>97887159
You never know when someone will sperg out
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>>97887184
I feel like the hobby aspect of the Orks should be mentioned, there's a lot more freedom and creativity, with Orks you're painting a lot of rusty scrap and random decorations and you can cobble together anything. Other than WYSIWYG armaments the only rule to building or painting them is "Be green. Green iz betta".
Eldar are a bitch to build, very formulaic, and for a good paint job your options are airbrush, eavy metal, or vintage style glaze blending.
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>>97887200
I did primarily paint my eldar with an airbrush, but I experimented with other techniques. these warp spiders are black templar contrast paint body suits and space wolves gray guns on a zenithal highlight, and I think they turned out well.
I’m currently playing around with doing volumetric highlights with a beauty blender and it seems nice enough
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>>97887192
The walls are starting to close in
>Honor Guard finished wiping my flank and position themselves above the Predator, ready to pounce,
>DC and Vets book it towards my base
>Land Speeder Deep Strikes behind the Vindicators
>ofcourse it rolls a 1 to hit with the Multi Melta, Assault Cannon does nothing afterwards it gets that weapon shot off immidietely by the Furioso
>the Speeder later will repay it in kind by shooting one of it's arm off with the multi melta next turn
>my Chapter Master Terminator deathstar moves in the position to storm opponent's base
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Two more Word Bearers done for the pile.
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>>97887206
It isn’t impossible, but its pretty unlikely that 88 and thunderbolts would both be passed down the line to space wolves, especially when a lot of 21st century people with nazis on the brain don’t know what those symbols are. this would arguably be justifiable if it was a successor chapter based in some weird star trek nazi planet, but they’re explicitly space wolves from fenris, so it doesn’t really make sense.
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Craftworld Eldar posting some of my work.
>>97886992
airbrushing is a massive accelerant for elves but I generally use it for the basecoat and that’s about it.
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>Honour Guard gets shot off with the combine efforts of the Tactical Squad and Predator, leaving the enemy chaplain left alive with one wound
>almost slips and dies after jumping into a puddle, but rolls a 2, he will end up tanking shots from the Predator for two turns and kill 3 tacticals alone by himself in my base
>DC finally makes it there too, kill 5 more, afterwards the rest breaks and runs away, but they're still in the base physically
>Furioso redirects his anger towards my Chapter Master, it ends up destroying two terminators before it finally ears it's rest for good
>Razorback doesn't manage to wound a single marine while all this is happening lol
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>>97887256
It's just skub, it's not even done cleverly like painting them feldgrau or something.
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>tau in the background
I like that paint job, vivid.
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Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
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>These video games may not accurately reflect current depictions, lore, or presentation within the current Warhammer universes and settings
Lmao
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Superior Weirdboy coming through
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>>97887279
Moment of the game time
Everything looked winnable up until this point.
Deathstar in position, more or less safe to charge in. HOWEVER, a small voice in the back of my head wanted me to try out an orbital bombardment.
>screw it, why not? I don't get the chance to use it very often.
>declare Orbital Bombardment, the template catches the entire squad occupying the ruin
>perfect
>time to roll
Moments later:
>there is a giant crater left in the exact spot my Chapter Master and his posse used to stand because the template scattered 10 inches directly on top of them, also catching the Land Speeder
>20% of the points value of my army wiped by my retarded Chapter Master
>nobody able to capture the enemy base left on that side of the board
Surely, I can at least manage a draw, right?
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lmao absolutely Based
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>>97887333
Spoiler, it was not a draw.
Pictured, the heroic last stand of the last brave marine defending the base.
Game ended with the last vestiges of the Veteran, Death Company and Honour Guard squads closing in on him. I condeded afterwards.
Overall, it was a really enjoyable experience, very swingy, cinematic and it could honestly go either way.
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I'm not even mad about the bombardment backfiring, my jaw was hurting real bad from the laughter.
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>>97887370
Got some fluff shots I can share too.
Next time, I think we're gonna play Planetstrike
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>>97887370
Nice to see a cool game anon. You're making me wanna play real bad.
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Thank you, and yes, you should play.
I love playing midhammer especially, this is my nostalgia period.
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>>97887391
>Red scorpions
Nta but GW can't give numk4 & numk5 soon enough
I guess if someone wants to go full oldmarine the mk4 squad is still available
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>>97887349
we’re more of a mid-tier army with a very low skill floor. It’s a hard army to play that is a little overcosted, it’s probably one of the worst to *start* playing with as a beginner right now, but definitely not the worst performing army.
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to be fair, feldgrau would likely blend in too heavily with the rest of the blueish grey model or be really ugly against the yellow. likely a good way to be clever with it (and increase deniability) would be to have them understand 88 is a sacred symbol, but believe that all repeating double digits are also sacred so the models are all covered in 44, 66, 99, ect. which they have different meanings for, but 88 is the most holy symbol and is the symbol for space wolf supremacy, and that supremacy is as well done through twin lightning bolts which is also a repeating symbol.
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Last one, Tiberius somehow has survived this mess.
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>>97887427
They better not fuck it up
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>>97887454
YOU SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT FAFNIR YOU DOUBLE NIGGER
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Reposting
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You are now reminded that GW tried to make Veteran Intercessors a thing to fill the awkward gaps in their units range after legending shit randomly.
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>>97887445
There's pics of the redesign already. It's pretty much identical. We also know how the new mk5 is gonna look like through the apothecary. I'm not worried.
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>redesign every mark
>except one
I wouldn't put it past GW to go back on a plan of theirs.
I think it's more likely to be a photomontage, the same way people have been parading the mk5 in that same book that's clearly based on the old FW mk5 rather than the updated nulook.
But again, FW are that kind of retarded, so will have to wait and see.
The chest cables look too "midhammer" and close to picrel. I'm just an autist, what do I know.
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>>97887657
that delicious cope
>>97887660
I'll look forward to your livestreamed suicide when they get announced this winter
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>outdated image, they're going to look like the rapier squads
>look it up
>it's this dogshit
God fuck, what the hell were they thinking? I get it's called the raper squad, but it doesn't mean you rape the armor design.
I hope to god they don't turn mk4 into this dogshit.
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>>97887641
Nigger the rapier squads are wearing imperial pattern
t. autismus
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>Death Guard pickelhaube helm
I like that helmet.
I do like the NuMK3 power armor helmet.
And the previous Mk3 power armor helmet.
I also like the power pack with 4 exhaust "pipes."
What does this say about me?
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>what were they thinking
"We don't want to make specific crew for each marks"
>But why not make it an upgrade?
"Because we're retarded and made HH marines into packs of 5, so unless we're gonna sell a big box of 5 rapiers we're not doing it"
>but what about the jetbikes having separate pilots?
"Different poses anyway, so can warrant it"
Don't overthink it, it's just GW being half retarded and half out of touch.
Reminder that GW wants you to buy rapier squads and then convert them into a unit, meaning they want you to buy 5 rapiers just to use the dudes (+ extra bits, which means buying more kits)
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>>97887662
Numk5 cables look like that too.
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>>97887672
That you are based. Quad thrusters Mars Pattern Power Packs look the best. Don't like the naked cables.
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I'll never stop.
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>>97887680
>pakfag
That guy has been gone for years.
Also there's like 99% of likelyhood that it was Edge, since the original PAKistani posted using exact same type of iPhone filenames as edge when PAK posting originally started.
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>>97887196
To be fair, grotesques are a Deldar abomination created by the haemonculi and rely on pain inducing drugs and other mechanics to fuel their combat effectiveness. Slaaneshy pain/pleasure tools are commonplace so ass chains isn’t exactly farfetched.
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>>97887702
That's just his damaged armour.
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>>97887664
Rapier crews look to be updates of the LE02 marine. On pg. 13 of Journal Tactica: The Istavaan V Dropsite Massacre the suit's showcased with MkVI helmet and pads.
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>>97887720
Mk5 helmets are said to be from an offshoot of the terminator project. Picrel (second paragraph)
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>>97887713
Not really.
The PAKfag was also the most active and actively throoding when Edge was also the throoder who was spamming Slaanesh and Blood angel threads retardedly early. It's logical reasoning to point all 3 things being the work of the same person, because it explains the small details, but also explains the behavioral patterns.
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>>97887736
>the most common mobile file format is surely an indicator of samefaggotry
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>>97887737
I know, right? GW is strange and retarded.
Take the mk2 crewman; his helmet is actually slightly different from the mk2 tacticals/assault, having a smooth roung faceplate rather than the angular final release. It also lacks rivets on the top of the helmet.
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>>97887655
You got some shit on your nose
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>>97887755
>thing, but cute girls
Gay (somehow)
>>97887760
>HH discussion
Armor marks actually, but mk1 to 7 happened before the end of the heresy.
>inductii
Yes and no.
Yes in that /yourdudes/ can recruit that way.
Kinda Yes in that 40k indoctrination includes a lot of hypnosis & adjacent that started during the heresy to speed up the process.
No in that it's not the same (and each legion did things differently)
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>>97887111
RIP to a real one. For all the shitting and pissing the 40k community did, I don’t remotely think Inquisitor was the worst novel in the setting ever made. Not even close. And Bligh definitely counts as one of the people who tried to do right by the fan base.
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>>97887744
It wasn't the most common mobile format.
Also the said filenames were not common here, and only Edge shitposted with those. He's also the faggot who accidentaly posted gay incest primarch bara porn by accident when he was shitposting.
Which then also confirmed that he's unironic bara faggot on /aco/'s warhammer threads.
Also we've seen the guy's receding hairline too, he's a dude, he's unironic 40-50 year old faggot that takes it up the ass.
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>>97887802
Pic related is him.
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I have questions:
Are Leagues of Votann rare or numerous in the setting?
Are tau considered large in number yet?
How numerous are Dark Elv-I mean Dark Eld-Drukari?
How numerous are the undead Eldar/Titans+Wraith Constructs(etc)?
How numerous are the Necrons really? Dark age of imperium then turned robotic era or do they number like the imperial guard?
I like how numerous Tyranids/Daemons are, just seems like the endless villains of the setting. Necrons count but they're different.
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>>97887760
in general do some chapters sometimes rush their process to recoup losses? sure. but in general, chapters probably don’t have the geneseed stock or the spare power armor to “rush” the creation of their marines. if anything, some chapters may have more scouts to represent large influxes of recruits
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>>97887794
>It wasn't the most common mobile format.
it is
>Also the said filenames were not common here, and only Edge shitposted with those.
schizophrenia
are the lamenterfag and decalfag edge because they both post with those file formats too?
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>>97887824
>Are Leagues of Votann rare or numerous in the setting?
Rare ish
>Are tau considered large in number yet?
No.
>How numerous are Dark Elv-I mean Dark Eld-Drukari?
A lot. But Craftworlders out number as per 10th edition codex.
>How numerous are the undead Eldar/Titans+Wraith Constructs(etc)?
We don't know.
>How numerous are the Necrons really? Dark age of imperium then turned robotic era or do they number like the imperial guard?
We don't know, all we have that it is implied their empire before becoming robots stretched from 1 side of the galaxy to the other.
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>>97887837
Thanks lads!
>scout marines
I always thought those guys were a bad decision from their inception.
Like I get the whole thing was to sell more marines to make more sales, but even then I always thought that scout marines are an antithesis to what marines are which are big armored dudes with powerful weapons with intent of violence that is never subtle or hidden.
Scout marines or even marines doing anything considered 'recon' is a contradiction of that.
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>>97887889
>nobody said you did
>>97887871
>there's the schizoid projection coming out
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>>97887877
Scouts can also be SMs but more rash and lightly armored. Pic related. Especially if your scouts are taken from gangers and other barbaric/warrior cult societies.
As a marine goes through the scout company, then devastator, then assault and then finally tactical squad, their temper has been forged like the hot steel of a sword.
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>>97886876
I should be able to finish the body tonight and then the arms should only take 1 or 2 evenings
Then I just need to decide if I want to add some blood spatter, and what to base it on. I was thinking a muddy puddle might be cool
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>>97887904
>As a marine goes through the scout company, then devastator, then assault and then finally tactical squad, their temper has been forged like the hot steel of a sword.
Lost media at this point. I fucking hate primaris organization.
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new yarrick seems pretty nice, can imagine a lot of shenanigans with the reactive move/extra overwatch either making them really fucking hard to charge off an objective or getting to shoot the opponent's scorers twice
aoe orders are also nice but getting to cuck a melee army out of their charge is pretty big
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>>97887824
everything in the setting is going to appear small in number or rare compared to the quadrillions of the humans, orks, and tyranids. Orks and Tyranids rely on fewer “support” organisms to fight than humans, but there’s a million imperium worlds and some planets have trillions of humans.
Tau, Dark Eldar, and Votann have decent numbers, certainly billions, but they’re clustered in specific areas of the galaxy (or clustered in a specific spot outside the galaxy in one alternate dimension metropolis) so they’re ultimately relatively rare. compare that to Craftworld Eldar who probably only number in the millions but span the galaxy from their colony-ships and webway gates. all four of those races probably have about the same impact on the galaxy as secondary players.
Eldar wraith constructs aren’t hard to build. the issue is spirit stones and souls capable of being roused for battle. wraithknights have a specific unqiue issue of needing twins/lover/spiritually bonded couples, one alive, one in a spirit stone, to operate. I would be suprised if more than a few hundred wraithknight are active and functioning
necrons are the biggest “who tf knows” trillions went to sleep, but how many will wake up and how many will still be functioning is completely unknowable.
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>>97887965
showed one model of the new boyz kit when they revealed the edition and their boss nob a bit later, they're mainly gonna let you pick a shoota and a choppa rather than one or the other like the old kit
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>>97887824
the leagues are rare only because they keep to themselves and live in a part of the galaxy most other races wont go, but they are mentioned to be quite a bit more numerous than the tau or eldar. each of the titular "leagues" are a massive galactic empire unto themselves
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>>97886876
>Alternative rules in OP
Anybody tried these game systems?
We always complain about GW rules writing so maybe those would be better by chance?
Maybe the complaints are why they were added to the OP.
Probably for the same reason the Wargames Terrain link was added too after so much complaints about game terrain.
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Am I the only one that doesn't like the "effects" parts on newer models? The new weirdboy has a lightning arc, the ork biker guy has a flame burst, every smoke grenade has smoke coming out of it, the hellsmiths from AOS had flames and smoke everywhere.
It just feels so cartoonish.
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>>97887877
they’re still big dudes in big armor with big guns, but an army needs skirmishers to conduct flanking manuevers or chase down faster opponents
given the scarcity of resources, it’s not that crazy that there’s not enough armor to go around for each rookie. Black templars often put scouts right in the thick of it mixed in with their regular crusaders.
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>>97887955
>lost media
It will endure. I mix primaris with the older patterns but I treat them like another mark with a twist and the unique weapons/armor like special equipment. I might use phobos marines as scouts, like to represent a vet sgt for instance.
>>97887977
That's okay, that's what's fun about 40k, we have enough to do what we like best
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>>97887998
This is actually a stand-alone promo mini, like the free ones they give away at GW stores.
>>97888017
>if they actually had a new kit coming
Gee I wonder why they revealed this model with the other Space Marine during their huge Marines vs Orks box reveal.
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>>97888021
I don't like them, I tolerate them if they're optional, but like tactical rocks they're just a way to inflate the plastic and reduce the value of the model.
I hate that modern models are meant to be display pieces, instead of playing with MINIATURE (see: small, tiny versions of) soldiers I feel like I'm playing with very small collector's edition statues, except I gotta assemble and paint it. But hey, normalfags lap it up.
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>>97888021
I think the effects on newer models are meant to fight resin recasters and make it frustration for STL scans of the models to be properly set up for printing. It is possible, but it is meant to frustrate the pirate.
Just a theory where the source is made up by me.
Generally I think the biggest problem is that they don't seem to be an 'option' from what I've seen most of the time.
I wouldn't mind the effect parts of models if they were just optional.
I wonder if it is a mandated thing that those be made along with tactical rocks.
Lastly I think a lot of models having a lot of extra fragile looking bits and additions to them and fragile looking attachments to the base is meant so that when being used as game pieces the accidents of breaking a piece is maximized so that the wargamer will buy a new one as a replacement.
A sort of deliberate defecting of the model's structural integrity through the sculpt design so replacement sales are made like Nuln Oil pots get spilled a lot.
All of this is just my speculation and conspiracy theory.
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Is Cawl technically a "heretek" that is leading a group of like minded Mechanicus followers that are essentially more relaxed on innovation but just calling it a different thing to avoid a Moirae Schism at worst and just getting purged at best?
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>>97888046
yeah but didnt the boyz kit just get redone last edition?
i dont think im out of pocket for questioning weather a reworked kit is actually coming or if they'd just package the existing kit in the starter set when its so recent
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>>97888048
What even is the primaris organization? Genuinely.
Old marines was simple
>Scout -> Dev -> Assault -> Tac -> Vets -> Terminator
Before they brought back scouts and termies (I will die on the hill that GW wanted to completely revamp the marine range) it was even more nebulous.
I have genuinely no idea what primaris marines have because it feels like every year a new unit is popped out from nowhere and is supposed to be inserted in the lineup. Some units are 5 men, some units are 10, some units are 3, some have the sgt with different weapons, some don't.
Maybe it's because I care so little that I just skipped all of it, but after nearly 10 years I still have no clue what the fuck primaris are beside "just do whatever lol"
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>>97888065
It's one of those GW not thinking about the numbers things. Supposedly there are only about 1000 Craftworlds but their populations range from tens of thousands to billions. Commoragh has a highly fluctuating population because of how many die there every day but they also flash grow most of their kids in glass coffins to maturity and fuck like crazy so they've got insane population growth too and hang out in the trillions plus however many planets worth of slaves they bring in to the dark city to support a population of that size too.
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>>97888067
current boyz kit was poorly received due to the monopose models which have to take a gun and can't take a melee option
they also don't really have much other choice when making a new edition box for Orks to be fair, nobz are the closest they could do but they aren't battleline
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>>97888062
>Cawl tech heresy & schism
They barely hinted at it, but since GW wanted to sell the new marines they had to handwave that actually it's fine, the primarch said so so it's cool, as if IRL if jesus himself came back the different catholic churches and cults wouldn't still bicker and fight and call him a fake just to hold onto their power and not look like retards when what they've been preaching for millenia is told by the son of god to be bollocks
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>tacticals
Still intercessors, but now they have a few mk7/mk6 helmets, some different greeves and mk6 shoulder pads.
You'll have more variation by buying the Space Wolves kits.
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>>97888076
It's a nebolous and vague handwave of squad groupings. Instead of a marine being assigned to a specific squad with a specific role, they are assigned to "battleline", "heavy support", "close support" and then change loadout/armour/squad type depending on the mission. Which in practice means there's fuck all for organization because everything is adhoc.It's bad. Most of what primaris try to do is copying 30k but doing it worse.
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>>97888076
I remember an old article stating that it’s technically still pretty similar, with the new squad formations bring more granular versions of the Dev and Assault Squads before they get the relevant experience to become Tactical Squads, but with keeping the Tactical Squad kit and datasheet around as the token firstborn rep (until 11th likely kills them for good) I don’t think that lore ever went anywhere.
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>>97888072
>GW trying to tempt me back with new tactical marines
If they were actually tactical marines I would fall but it's hard to be nostalgiabaited when they kill the thing I'm supposed to be nostalgic about at the exact same time.
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>>97888109
Hmm I may check them out, any rts that would interest a GW fan?
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>>97888092
If you read the latest Cawl book its pretty clear, he is just straight up a heretek and neither him nor the primarch give a shit.
>he innovates
>he invents
>he calls himself a scientist
>he says the Necrons have better technology than the Imperium
>he has started to experiment with mixing Necron and Imperial technologies
Basically he's too important to have to follow Mars' rules and because Guilliman supports him he gets to tell them to go kick rocks.
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>>97888130
Cawl would be a pretty interesting character if he wasn't behind every bullshit primaris bring to the table, which makes him look both like a mary sue and impossible to do anything interesting with him because new releases require him to mantain status quo.
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>>97888105
Sometimes I think I just don't get it and that I'm missing something and it'll all make sense, and then I realize I'm digging trying to find something that was never there.
All of that because
>no model, no rule
>as little option as possible, kill kitbash outside of swapping heads and pauldrons, the rest is virtually pointless.
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>>97888092
>since GW wanted to sell the new marines they had to handwave that actually it's fine
So "realistically by 40k standards" there should be a big schism among the Mechanicus because of Cawl's conduct?
>>97888130
>if you read the latest Cawl book
I didn't, I'm sorry. I just don't find BL books entertaining.
>Basically he's too important to have to follow Mars' rules and because Guilliman supports him he gets to tell them to go kick rocks.
I do yearn for a schism among the Mechanicus over Cawl's stuff.
>mixing Necron and Imperial technologies
Wasn't this already done with Necron blades being used by Deathwatch?
I vaguely remember a sanctioned Tau weapon that was just a Tau gun with seals all over it.
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any tips or guides for painting tank camo? looking for guides
I recall a WD last year had some bits, anyone know what i'm on about?
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>>97888138
>impossible to do anything interesting with him because new releases require him to mantain status quo.
Not really anymore, all of his inventions were submitted to Mars as "found this STC, don't bother checking when the pattern was made, its totally ancient"
>>97888146
One off rare Deathwatch weapons are one thing, but Cawl is experimenting with totally-not-AI, blackstone null fields, Necron FTL & communication networks etc.
The next Cawl book is being setup as possibly the start of a Schism, seemingly the new Fabricator General has it out for him and has been gathering evidence of his heresy.
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>>97888111
>more granular version of assault & dev
How does that even work? Before you had reserve companies to make sure you had enough tacs, devs and assaults so the fighting companies could be operational.
Now you're telling that the chapter has to keep track of infiltrators, desolation, invictor pilots, aggressor, incursors, hellblasters, eradicators, infernus, assault intercessor (or are they actually melee tacticals instead of ground assaults?) and inceptors?
Am I retarded or is this retarded? Or both
>>97888130
> neither him nor the primarch give a shit
Frankly nobody gives a shit, in and out of universe. At best I'd use him as a generic fabricator general.
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>>97888167
>ot really anymore, all of his inventions were submitted to Mars as "found this STC, don't bother checking when the pattern was made, its totally ancient"
Anon that is mantaining the status quo. They aren't allowed to have him face actual consequences.
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>>97888146
>So "realistically by 40k standards" there should be a big schism among the Mechanicus because of Cawl's conduct?
Yeah, age of apostasy type shit and possibly an imperial schism between those who accept the ressurected primarch and cawl, those who accept the primarch, but not cawl, those who accept cawl but not the primarch, those who accept neither, and so on. That's the implications when your setting has multiple large religious bodies that are already tolerating each other and have been stable-ish for millenias. Add to that general ignorance, superstition, terrible & unreliable communication methods and the biggest bloated beaurocratic mess that ever was.
Except instead he comes in and people just fold for the most part and tell you shit like
>refusing this new power would be retarded because it's more power yo
This is one of the reason why I don't give a zilch about modern fluff/lore: it has lost all credibility and is straight up telling you
>Okay this is how it works now, get on with the program
Why would I invest in your fiction when you're just pulling shit out of your ass, not to make things more interesting, but to literally simplify things for the sake of making easier to digest for people who didn't care in the first place?
It's bonkers to me.
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>>97888167
>One off rare Deathwatch weapons are one thing
I get it. I was just citing it as an example.
>but Cawl is experimenting with totally-not-AI, blackstone null fields, Necron FTL & communication networks etc.
I'm starting to see the picture.
>The next Cawl book is being setup as possibly the start of a Schism
I think it won't happen with a schism.
Maybe because GW doesn't want it to happen to continue to sell minis.
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>>97888168
You are retarded, as are most people complaining about it
A hellblaster isn't a marine who has spent 20000 years mastering only the plasma and can only ever use plasma guns, it's a marine who has been given a plasma gun for the mission. You retards always pull out this "Um so achtually they have to have 1000 of each type of marine in reserve? That doesn't make any sense" but you've never bothered to read a single fucking thing about it. Even a cursory glance at a fucking wiki, even a fucking SECONDARY can gleam this info before you pavement-licking retards can.
The companies are split between Battleline (echoing old Tactical), Close Support (echoing old assault) and Fire Support (echoing old Devs) with a Veteran company and command structure.
Just take 5 fucking minutes to read, you useless sack of shit.
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>>97888168
They don't keep track of any of that because all of those are just loadouts for the battleline/close support/heavy support squads. Which doesn't make it any good as actual organization but that's a different matter.
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>>97888211
>You retards always pull out this "Um so achtually they have to have 1000 of each type of marine in reserve? That doesn't make any sense"
No one has said that. Just like nobody has ever wanted mixing weapons in their devastators every time you retards bring it up.
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>>97888202
I get your frustration.
I know 40k is a bit messed up, but I'm pretty sure that things like Huron Blackheart's origins had some kind of "understandable logic" as to "why" things happened.
Of course I think that one reason things are getting simplified may be because applying some "understandable logic to why things happen" or even "understandable logic to consequences" of certain things and events is hard so it is better to just wave such things away and just have the audience work with what's been given and move onto the next thing in the setting.
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>that pic
I have the autism that means saying "no" aint enough. I need the mentality and fortitude to break free.
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>>97888233
>No one has said that
"Now you're telling that the chapter has to keep track of infiltrators, desolation, invictor pilots, aggressor, incursors, hellblasters, eradicators, infernus, assault intercessor (or are they actually melee tacticals instead of ground assaults?) and inceptors?"
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>>97888180
>dynamic
New poses aren't actually more dynamic, I'd even argue that by definition & nature they are stiffer.
Old "poses" (multipart plastic kits) made it extremely easy to give your models unique poses. The basic stance (the power squat) is a super polyvalent pose, because it works for all the important situations:
>Marine standing there/shooting
>Marine moving in
>Marine engaged in combat
This means that the miniature is doing its two jobs:
1) being an effective small soldiers on a battlefield
2) it looks the part in all required situations.
On the other hand, a majority of modern poses are meant to work in one specific situation. The miniature is clearly doing one specific thing. They are striding forward, they are announcing a charge, they are in combat.
Take the LoV memnir to get out of SM examples: surfing on rocks and casting a spell. If he's standing away from the fight, or defending a position away from enemies, he looks like a fucking retard.
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>>97888202
Basically that all did happen, but we only see pieces of it. Vaults of Terra & Watchers of the Throne get into the politics of Terra at the time of the fall of Cadia and the return of Guilliman. He replaced most of the highlords with people loyal to him after Terra itself nearly fell into civil war.
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>>97888211
>just read lol
>fails to read
Lel, not reading your shit sandwich bucko
>>97888223
It's not 1000 dudes in that case, it's 1000 dudes who are in different stages of training.
>>97888224
Then when do they get their training? Do they spend hours at the training range? The idea of devastators is that's the time in a marine's life that he's learning to be familiar with the big guns and how to not mag dump like a tard in the heat of battle.
Maybe I am retarded too, but that shit certainly don't make sense to me.
>>97888236
>I have the autism that means saying "no" aint enough. I need the mentality and fortitude to break free.
It's called having standards, never give up.
>And I'll nevaaaaaaaaaaa, surrendaaaaaaaaa
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>>97888102
i would actually love it if they expanded the grot side of orks, i play gloomspite in aos and you can have a lot of fun with grot models, underutilized in 40k. 40k could really do with more grots and squigs
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>>97888283
This + give orks trolls, ogryns and giants too
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>>97888278
>Then when do they get their training? Do they spend hours at the training range? The idea of devastators is that's the time in a marine's life that he's learning to be familiar with the big guns and how to not mag dump like a tard in the heat of battle.
>Maybe I am retarded too, but that shit certainly don't make sense to me.
In the "fire support squads". Where they get to have completely different squad sizes, weapon types, armour types mission to mission because whoever thought about this was a moron and hated devastator squads for some reason.
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>>97887039
Unfathomably kino. It hurts the heart to remember how much better 5th is to 10th, but how my local community is mostly zoomers who joined 40k in the last 5 or so years.
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>>97888278
>It's called having standards, never give up.
Thank you anon.
My problem I think is a phrase I've seen called "canon compliance."
You want your homebrew stuff to fit in the 40k universe like a key is built for a lock at best.
At worst you don't want your character to stick out like white dot on a vanta black background.
Which requires a bit of fluff understanding which then requires a bit of fluff research which then bleeds into unit choice for your homebrew guys and even shapes your playstyle of what units are most fitting and before you know it the lore seeped into your games.
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>>97888293
As opposed to yours?
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>>97887111
Why is Alan Bligh remembered so fondly? Generally what did he do right that others have done wrong?
Like I need specific details in detail, please.
>>97887813
>Andy Smilie, the guy assaults GW staff and then gets the typical corporate promotion to a higher role to get out of trouble.
I need proof of this. This is just stupid even by GW standards.
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>>97888246
I think modeling wise I think you have to assume it’s the dude driving the thing since a dude does technically have to be in there and the fact you can have a havoc launcher and a combi-weapon/bolter when the havoc launcher would replace the dude manning the weapon on the model if built that way.
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>>97888306
I think GW did a much better job in the past of letting people's things fit into the broader universe. Warzones were separated, the larger ones were stalemates or eternal battlefields.
Named characters were fun optional things and you had charts to create your own units, subfactions & so on.
As a writer, one of the best tip I can give is:
>"Don't write what you don't have to."
Leave things open handed, especially when writing a setting/universe. You want your setting to be a toolbox, not a carefully tailored theme park ride. That's where GW is royally failing today.
Meme pic aside, the text blurb is exactly how GW should approach making set places/warzones.
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>>97888283
yeah, orks could use some grot snipas to give them more shooty options.
>squigs
hopefully they do. reading rebel winter and reading the descriptions of giant brightly colored orbs of yellows, pinks, blues, and reds ripping guardsmen apart with their giant teeth immediately activated my neurons. its what inspired me to paint my bomb squig baby blue.
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>>97888314
>I need proof of this. This is just stupid even by GW standards.
Not him but this happens in corporate offices all the time. A problem employee might be too buddy buddy with the people in charge so they'll just "promote" them to a new department/location where they hopefully won't cause any more problems or the person they've been harassing won't escalate further/outside the company.
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>>97888278
>Then when do they get their training? Do they spend hours at the training range? The idea of devastators is that's the time in a marine's life that he's learning to be familiar with the big guns and how to not mag dump like a tard in the heat of battle. Maybe I am retarded too, but that shit certainly don't make sense to me.
I’m gonna have to agree with you that you are in fact retarded too, because it’s not exactly hard to conceptualize that warrior monks who dedicate their life to combat and military matters and genetically engineered to require little in the way of rest or relaxation would find the time for training on weapons.
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>>97888357
This. You think the workplace is about doing your job and rising through merit, and then your coworker gets fired because he was only 70% efficient while the guy who does nothing but scroll on his phone gets a promotion because he's into the same shaddy shit as the manager/boss/HR person.
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>>97888351
>"Don't write what you don't have to."
That's actually beautiful anon.
>Meme pic aside, the text blurb is exactly how GW should approach making set places/warzones.
>You want your setting to be a toolbox, not a carefully tailored theme park ride. That's where GW is royally failing today
What made GW start failing at their setting being a toolbox and becoming more of a theme park ride then?
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>>97888302
There's that infamous dreadfleet story where the game sold like shit so he had the people who worked on it burn a bunch of shit, though I'm not 100% that's him (plus it's probably bullshit anyway, but still)
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Since this thread is filled with secondaries who don't know the lore, here's how the post-primaris chapters are set up
>10 Companies + Command
>1st Company
Veterans (So Stern/Blade/Van and regular Vets), Honour Guard and Terminators.
>2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th
Mix of Battleline, Close Support and Fire Support squads. Battleline is Tacts, Intercessors, Heavy Intercessors. Close Support are Assault ints/ jump pack guys, bikes, assault centurions and stuff that goes close. Fire Support are big guns, Aggressors, Centurions, Devs, Hellblasters, Eradicators
>6-7th companies
Reserve company All Battleline
>8th
Reserve company All Close Support
>9th
Reserve company All Fire Support
>10th
A mix of scouts and veteran Vanguard squads that are more or less the spec-ops of the chapter
Marine goes from Neophyte to Fire Support to Close Support to Battleline. 6th-9th companies are training companies. When the top 5 are on a mission, they are supplemented with support from the marines and they get training during that. So if the Ultramarines 2nd Company needs some Melta support, they might pick some Eradicators from the 9th Company. As a Marine trains, he shifts around the companies, serving as support for the more experienced companies.
Once a marine is fully trained, he is put into one of the first 5 companies and is expected to able to use all of the various weapons he has trained with. A guy in the 2nd company might be told by his Captain/LT that they're going into a hive world where there might be Genestealers, so they're going as Infernus (i.e. everyone gets a flamer), but in another mission he might be an Intercessor, told to drive a tank or get a strapped to a jump pack.
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>TFW only know one metal recaster
How's the quality of BLM's metal recasts?
And how long does it take for them to arrive to Canadian customers?
Any more good metal recasters of metal models, please?
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>>97888283
At this point gib the goblins their chance to become their own thing. Gitz have the same or even more charisma than Orks and if GSC, Custodes and Imperial Agents can have books so can the fucking Gretching Revolutionary Comitee
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>>97888278
>Do space marines spend hours training
... Yes?
Do you not know anything about Space Marines?
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>>97888392
nta but its simple
named characters sell
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>>97888314
>Why is Alan Bligh remembered so fondly?
He's responsible for the later half of Imperial Armour books aswell as the entire Horus Heresy game. He had a very particular vision for the setting and the game that is seen a superior quality and passion to the basic GW releases. He also died of cancer abruptly leaving a lot of unfinished work that has since been cancelled. If you haven't, check the Imperial Armour books or the Horus Heresy red and black books and see for yourself why.
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>>97888392
>What made GW start failing at their setting being a toolbox and becoming more of a theme park ride then?
I'm not a wizard but I think it's because hobbies were kinda dying, at least GW's were.
40k was more popular in the 2000s than it was in the 80s or 90s, but I can tell you that even in the 2000s it was niche. Warhammer nerds were nearly all young adults with subpar hygiene, with a good portion of teenagers/kids, all with various kinds of autism.
I don't think it was sustainable as the influx of new blood was pretty rare, partly due to people being downright hostile. I'm not talking "gatekeeping", I'm saying hostile to new people. It was hard to carve yourself into a group.
The modern entertainment model is a theme park ride because it's controllable, reliable and palatable by most people.
Take video game RPGs. Most people won't go into RPGs; it's asking too much and giving them too little. Making your own character? Making your own destiny? Fucking around with a game world? Nope.
So what is a modern RPG? It's a theme park ride: you are the chosen one, you go on the main quest and you have side quests/rides on the side. That's something the common man/woman can enjoy no problem.
Most people don't want a hammer, saw, nails and wood to make their own chair to look at the birds with their favorite drink, they want to book a week at the beach hotel and sunbath with a cold coca cola.
I hope I'm making sense.
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>>97888392
western companies are forced to always expand, so they need to get more people to buy their stuff for the lowest cost, so dumbing down your product is perfect because you can hire any hack to write anything, and it’ll bring in people who’d otherwise be filtered by your setting.
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>>97888461
>Most people won't go into RPGs; it's asking too much and giving them too little. Making your own character? Making your own destiny? Fucking around with a game world? Nope.
Under-estimating how many people got into DnD during Covid
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>>97888428
As in: instead of going through the Dev -> assault -> tac process, nigger.
>>97888440
Neither of (you)
>implying
Are beating the faggot allegation
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>>97888429
they sell because they're unique. Keep spamming them and they lose this uniqueness.
Nobody's buying Glupus Shittus, Ultramarine 5th captain, or Maria Suereva the BL slop Cadian Major protagonist. Especially if they cost almost as much as a whole squad.
There are anons here who didnt even know Uriel Ventris has a new model.
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>>97888278
>"Then when do they get their training? Do they spend hours at the training range?"
>>97888498
>"n-no, I mean of course I know they spend hours training, b-but I was asking if they spend it on a DIFFERENT thing"
you can just admit you're new to the setting and need help
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>>97888482
>DnD covid
But anon, that is actively going into the sense of what I'm saying. The kind of DnD people got into during covid were those narrative campaigns, and not the oldschool dungeon crawler. Normalniggers don't want dungeon crawlers, they want the cool narrative story where they get to self insert.
A good portion of my friends got into the modern DnD during covid and it was exactly that. None of them actually liked it, they stopped doing it after a couple of campaigns none of which they finished, and why? Because since they didn't actually give a shit they could not figure out that back in the day you dungeon crawled because that allowed you to play with who is there and not being stuck since fuckwit and asswipe flaked.
So no, not under-estimating, very much on point.
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>>97888461
>Most people won't go into RPGs
That's straight up nonsense. Most of the best selling and best regarded games in the past decade have been RPGs. And in tabletop DnD has several magnitudes more players than 40k.
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>>97888461
I think the popularity of games like Dispatch and Baldur’s Gate 3 run counter to this assessment because you can get quite different outcomes depending on your choices in those games. Not to mention those theme-park AAA games have been dying out in general, whether it be poor quality control or gamers just getting sick of them. I think Warhammer has gotten more popular popular because it compels players to find their own slice of the universe they want to be a part of, while James himself is perpetually behind the times and is still trying to build theme-parks.
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>>97888521
That's a lot of words just to say "I assumed wrong and now you gotta be the (insert projection)."
Maybe next time you'll actually engage with the other person instead of trying to pick internet arguments that you still somehow lose.
Last (you) faggoto-kun
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>>97888535
see >>97888525
Modern RPG is skyrim
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>>97888531
This pic was taken about 2 weeks ago
Add a kitbashed vulkan proxy and a squad of Infernus proxies to it
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>>97888551
Nice backtracking
>"Then when do they get their training? Do they spend hours at the training range?"
You are asking if Marines spend hours at the training range. No amount of backpedalling will erase the shame of you not knowing the first thing about Marines
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This whole thing is funny as hell because the new post-primaris chapter organization and marine training / promotion pathway is the exact same as the firstborn one but replacing the words "assault" "devastator" and "tactical" with "battleline" "fire support" and "Close support"
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>>97888570
Please James Workshop make castraferrums good in 11th.
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>>97888392
The commercialization thing is true but it's also just bloat. If you have any sort of canon whatsoever, 30 years of stories are going to establish a lot of rules just by the trail they leave.
Star Wars had the same problem, anyone writing basically has to be a lifelong fan, consult a loremaster, or piss off the fans, when the early stores weren't under the same constraints.
In 40k, you can set /yourdudes/ in bumfuck nowhere and have a lot of freedom though, but there's constraints like their faction rules, technology rules, etc.
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>>97888619
You're right and you're wrong. In that order.
>>97888622
Exactly, it's a modern RPG: a theme park ride.
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If I were to use Citadel Plastic Glue over my Tamiya Extra Thin Cement to combine the hand of an Eldar model to an arm, would the results be the same and be a pain in the fucking ass to attach, requiring me to apply it a bunch of times?
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>>97888560
I think calling a 15 year old game a modern rpg is a stretch. The original Final Fantasy 7 wasn’t 15 years old when Skyrim came out. The game philosophy was also wholly rejected by players in Starfield as well.
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>>97888640
I have a solution
>>97888602
>gets locked to HH
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>>97888633
> [insert game] is a theme lark ride
wtf does that even mean? Theme park rides let me go do side rails, unlock how to tide looks, and choose where I finish the ride?
The only theme park ride here is your mom's cunt, with how many traffic it has. Its a miracle you're not part dog.
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>>97888637
It would be a pain because there’s not a lot of surface area contact between a hand and an arm of that size more than what plastic glue you use. You would score either side of connection points to increase the surface area, and then leave the piece alone to cure completely before handling again. Though check on it before it completely cures to make sure the bits stayed in position
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>>97888665
>wtf does it mean
It means it's more restrictive and focuses on giving most players a very similar experience. It's an exagerated way to say it. It's not one literal path, but they are very much developed with a few (or single) main paths, with side content. The context matters: it's a comparison between two eras, one being more restrictive than the other. Don't miss the forest for the trees.
It's okay if you don't get it.
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>>97888664
>The only theme park ride here is your mom's cunt, with how many traffic it has. Its a miracle you're not part dog.
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>>97888671
You call that greenface? This, is greenface.
>>97888684
I think at one point GW will bring them back, and unless something changes about 40k, 30k is the only place they can be brought back.
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>>97888729
I mean they are bringing back speeders for some reason so it's not impossible but I just don't get why they'd handle it this way. Redemptors are way to big to be the standard dread. They are bigger than leviathans. They can thematically work as 40k's poor attempt at replicating leviathans, they even have the same flaw in burning through the pilot. So why force them to be a replacement to regular dreads? People would buy the big dread purely because it's a big dread, like leviathans, no need to force it. Though it would definitely help if redemptors looked cool and had awesome guns like leviathans instead of looking like pot bellied, lanky castraferrums.
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>>97888456
>surgically mutilated
Love that line.
It's also nice poin of how Imperium was, even when it was "good old days"
That or because AdMech are funny in their horryfying aspects.
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Would using white scar base paint fix the issue or would I require my white scar primer for this shit?
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>>97888767
>bringing back speeders
Same reason why they brought back termies, vets, assault marines and scouts.
For boxnaughts in 40k best I could see is a redesign/variant of redemptors meant to look even more like boxnaughts. Redemptors are already primaris boxnaughts, that's why they have the "beer belly"; it's keeping with the original shape/silouhette.
pic related (?)
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>>97888785
admech do a little trolling
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>>97888785
I like that 30k is seen as a golden age of the imperium despite being horrible. Like how some people look back on the middle ages and antiquity fondly when slavery and dying of disentry was normal.
>a more sensible time without the internet
>oops, lead poisoning, my leg needs to be amputated and half the village died of a plague
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>>97888785
Now compare that to current 40k admech releases.
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>>97888793
>I'm too retarded to understand anything but food analogies
>this is your fault
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>>97888800
Nah, for redemptors to actually look like classic dreadnoughts you'd need to replace almost every single part of the model. Besides, the point still stands, redemptors are way to big to be the basic dreadnought. Terminators and vets never went anywhere. Speeders were squatted in 10th. Classic dreads "survived" with dogshit rules that had zero updates throughout the entire edition but every other classic dread kit was squatted, except the space wolves one, probably because Bjorn is still around.
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>>97888607
>Star Wars had the same problem, anyone writing basically has to be a lifelong fan, consult a loremaster, or piss off the fans, when the early stores weren't under the same constraints.
Both Legends and Disney Cannon were a bit trapped with this focus in Skywalker fammily.
But Still the Legends actually expanded into something else than bassicaly all OG trilogy that the current Disney bs is doing. In legends we had The Old Republic, Darth Bame books, And fuck at least Legends went further into a Future with Admitedly Skubby YuzanWong.l but still it was something.
Disney cannon is constantly memberberrying in OG trilogy and some Table Scraps for CloneWars guys.
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>>97888847
I'm sorry, but redemptors are primarified boxnaughts. I could go and trace the shapes and compare them both but I don't think it's worth the time.
Where are the shoulders from that pic? Conversion or 3rd party?
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>>97888860
they aren't lmao
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>>97888868
Im sorry but you can't get worse than The STILT MAN
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>>97888860
HH mech is simply
>techpriests
>techpriests with weapons
>combat servitors
>robots/cyborgs
>vehicles
They took what already existed and expanded on it.
40k admech tried to be something weird.
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>>97888865
No mate. You have to change the shape of the entire armour to make it look even similar. And that still leaves the arms with a completely different structure (the ballistus does keep the classic gun arm structure) and completely different legs with very spindly proportions. If it's meant to be a direct update, which is not, it does a shit job at it.
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>>97888876
I actually like both and I think the HH pilgrims would be great as darkmech troops with a little more chaos appeal.
Also I hate GW chainmail, it's just a bunch of shapes overlapping instead of being a CHAIN
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>>97888868
*flap* *flap* *flap*
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>>97888900
>you go through hellish surgeries
>bassicaly a variation of >>97888812
>you still end up looking stupid
Thuly a grimdark universe....
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What is a good source for 3pp White Scars bits? The Pop Goes the Monkey bits work for like shoulder pads and all, but I'm looking for like vehicle related stuff and especially alternate heads that fit the Mongol vibe
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>>97888889
>No mate
WHAT DO YOU MEAN "NUH-UH"?
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>>97888957
I thought you guys said Sicaran :'C
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>>97888972
Are you? I've done the job of your neocortex: the redemptor is a modern boxnaught. I didn't say it was good, I didn't say it was retarded. But it's very much an updated boxnaught design and directly follows its shape. It doesn't have to be a 1:1 remake, the same way primaris marines aren't 1:1 remakes of what they replaced.
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>>97888930
Seeing how the content of the box is
>intercessors 2
>return of the speeder
>assault vets we knew were coming
>new not-devastators
It feels more like a meh SM wave that happened to fall on the new edition schedule.
So no real selling point. Same deal with orks, it's mostly refresh, with one new unit and the return of a very old one.
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>>97889034
Weird doesn't mean bad
>>97889037
It was my first post in that discussion. I like both ranges.
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>>97889065
>proportions
Did primaris marines have the same proportions as old marines? I didn't claim they had the same proportions.
>equivalent
I can't make a blind man see, you have a side by side color coded image, you know primaris were a reboot/remake of marines, figure it out.
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>>97889015
ork side definitely has selling points
>new mek/dread walker equivalent
>wartrakk coming back
>refresh to battleline models that haven’t been refreshed since 3rd edition
>refresh to characters that are either resin or are outright not being sold anymore
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>>97889206
Orks had lots of good options for a big update. Space Marines only had a few and they're some of the least exciting kits left in the range since they got all the big ones last edition. They really needed something new and flashy in there too and the speeder just is not it.
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>>97889275
I’d argue a bunch of really outdated kits getting a big box is a pretty big selling point, but the big walking gun platform is pretty special.
>inb4 its just a reskinned dread
I’m going to find you and dump your models in nail polish remover.
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>>97889206
I just can’t care for the character updates. They’re inherently supposed to be something that (you) are supposed to make yourself. The rest is fine sure but with that in mind I basically want half of half the box. The new boyz, the war track, and the dread.
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>>97888893
7 fucking years
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It fucking sucks how traitor guard can’t ever be a thing because mechanically speaking, they would just be gene stealer cults but worse with maybe a bit of dark pacts in there.
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>>97889359
The way is going full Chaos Machinery bullshit. Is time for Dark Mech.
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>AARRRGGHHH NOOOOO THIS VIDEOGAME DOESN'T DISPLAY A CERTAIN THING LIKE A BLACK LIBRARY NOVEL DID 25 YEARS AFTER THE FACT, THIS GAME DOES NOT REPRESENT WARHAMMER 40,000 IN ITS CURRENT STATE OKAY!?!?!?
remember when 40k was a sandbox setting
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>>97889343
I'm just imagining how much more hype this box would look with Black Templar facing off against Dark Eldar. The basic intercessors could have way more bling or scars and battle damage with black armor Kabals facing off against them. You could have the speeder facing off against some new skimmer gunship. Green goblin flyer guys and jump packing vanguards with hammers and lightning claws clashing in the air. Bladeguard Captain fighting a multi-armed Haemonculus while Grotesques charge his devastators.
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>>97889425
>drugged up Hellions in dogfights with VanVets and a speeder above the war below
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>>97889431
>depictions, presentations
It uses the old models for a lot of units which are now antiquated or discontinued
>Lore
The Guardsmen enemies are blatantly Steel Legion recolors, which may trigger autists. Also
>Lone Fire Warrior solos a company of Marines and a Lord of Change
Is bound to throw up some flags.
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This guy is mostly done. I need to hold myself back with highlighting stuff lest it take me forever to finish my backlog. Just need to shade and highlight the gun and the under-suit too. Thoughts?
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>>97889479
Are the highlights too weak? It’s light glazes of dark reaper and some weak edge highlights
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>>97889456
apparently this content warning is on all the re-released games today
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>>97889483
very basic but you've got the basics done correctly it seems. good enough for a gaming piece and you could always go back to it at some point to fancy it up.
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I got a new camera so I can take actually nice photos of my plastic men that show off all the dust particles.
I figured out a nice yellow for the trim. I'm really really really really enjoying this project, I think I might end up a full on chaos knight collector.
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The roundness of the new Van Vets is what bother me I realize. I think the Sternguard and Bladeguard Vets were well received because their extra ornamentation broke up the overly round shapes of the Primaris armor and injected a gothic feel back into the Space Marine look. The new Van Vets, at least the one shown off so far doesn’t achieve that. I think they should have gone with an older jump pack design, one that could break up the shapes of the Mk 10 armor like the Storm Shields and tabards of the other vets.
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>changer of the ways
>the great mutator
>weaver of all fates
>turns magnus from a big red guy into a big red guy with wings
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>>97889501
I didn’t do any shading on the armor and ye you’re right it definitely needs some. The basecoat is half macragge blue half black so a black shade or lining will work. Then I can see how much more highlighting he needs from there.
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When you think about it, dark angels are alll in dresses. They’re the femboy marines.
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>>97889742
In Rogue Trader they had a bunch of different schemes for Apothecaries, though usually it’s just the shoulder done in Chapter colors. I think Techmarines are red cause they study at Mars itself, maybe if they have to get sent to another Forgeworld for whatever reason they could end up a different color.
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>>97889772
>cause they study at Mars itself
The shit where everyone has to go to the Sol system for certain training (librarians are the same but for Terra) was always stupid. Shrinks the setting for no good reason. Especially dumb for techmarines when they have every other forge world available and narrative potential for endless narrative variety in chapter-forgeworld alliances.
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What's wrong with this one point
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>>97889882
It’s because Citadel’s white primers suck. Their white paint in general is underwhelming.
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If you’re doing slap chop you might want to do another pass, or at the very least do an all white base coat. If you’re doing base paints you can get away with just going over them so long as you aren’t fingering the model or excessive rubbing it and paint using a handle.
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>>97889885
Keeping Sol as the centre of the Imperium keeps it grounded in what 40k is supposed to be about. If everything was completely decentralized, then the there wouldn't be any point in its overwrought hellish bureaucracy, and it would be a lot more reasonable and internally consistent setting. In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only centralized federalism.
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>>97889902
Mostly overexposure. It was a fine point the first time. It's painful to hear the hundredth.
Also it's generally wrapped up in a thing about how brave and badass they arewhile ignoring the fact that the army is so routinely cowardly that they need a hq who's entire job is shooting the ones that run off.
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>>97889885
>variety in chapter-forgeworld alliances.
that’s exactly why they force them to go to the Sol system to train. they want to ensure everything revolves and is reliant on the Sol system. if a random forgeworld grows in strength and influence because they have the best schooling around, marines may become more attached to those planets than Mars.
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>>97888154
An absolute fuckton, narrow it down for us, what kind of camo do you want? Soft edge, hard edge, specific colors, MERDC, Berlin Brigade City Camo? Simplest is just doing a single color and then dry brushing on a second color like the old Armageddon patterns.
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>>97889359
imperial guard already exists so gsc dont need to exist except that's wrong and there's no reason why you can't have regiments like blood pact that get buffed by chaaos in opposition to IG and GSC brood brothers in leman russes with spikes and tentacles.
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>>97889902
Nothing, it's the best part
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been busy building up my dark angels army while steadily draining my pile of shame of at least 2 boxes a day ! what have (You) fags been working on ?
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Man I have no hope that 11th will be an improvement at all. I am almost certain that we are getting seasonal board layouts with the footprints sold by GW. The comp cancer is going to be overwhelming and inescapable.
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>>97890103
Warhammer nostalgia is so fucking over rated it’s not even funny. Id care more for a Conan revival than gw trying to dig its roots back up, or literally any other pop culture media that inspired warhammer in general. Fuck I wish the Japanese entertainment industry was ran by fucking Jews.
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>>97890157
Wish it wasnt*
I Blame my phones jewelry for that.
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>>97889956
NTA but I accidentally did the USMC's desert camo painting my bone colored Marines vehicles.
Just paint the dominant color, dab the other colors on with your favored dry brush, recess shade, clean up, highlight
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>>97889940
That's fucking impossible, because GW does everything in its power to curtail enthusiasm for the faction. It would just be:
>praise Jes Goodwin
>bitch about Mike brooks
>bitch about Gav Thorpe
>recite obscure lore from the LotR appendices
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I wonder if upgrades for units will to as far as being straight up war gear, even if it’s in a limited sense. Like for instance, you can upgrade a Intercessor Squad into a Tactical Squad by bringing 1 special weapon for every 5 guys.
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>>97889431
We are autistic as fuck, to be fair. Not a bad thing either.
>>97890207
I have never even considered playing Eldar and those are objectively based, besides bitching about Gav Thorpe.
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>>97890203
Needs more ERA
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>go to LGS
>buy a Castellan Crowe to convert for monthly collage
>come home, build model to stand on dead space wolf
>spray it around lunch time
>do base coats before dinner
>done nearly whole model now before bed
solidly productive day. will post the model tomorrow.
>old pic semi related
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Page 8, fresh bread for anyone who wants to get a new discussion going
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