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What do you think of the 13 Primes now that we’ve seen them all?
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Dang it, I was just getting a new OP together
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NO NO NO
What is our response MPG bros?
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>>11695004
I've seen a handful of people say that but I'm not sure what they think deserves to be a MP. How can something like MP-10 or MP-12 be MP-worthy but not MPG-17? Of course previous MPs had better alt modes (though I'm not sure MP-10's is much better), but they're also worse elsewhere.
To put it another way, where else would it go? Would they feel better if the line were just called Style Gen. without the MPG label? People would still be comparing it to MP-10, rightfully so.
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Where's that list of "The good Comics to read"?
It had like Movie Prequel/Sequel ones, Hearts of Steel, the good IDW before it became fake, gay and cringe and some others
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Most of the thirteen have turned out either boring looking or just lame as toys so I'll probably try to piece together my own set from randos from other TF lines. Pretty much the only one I'll actually keep is the fallen and maybe Liege if someone fixes that stupid head
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>>11695022
Its not the looks imo, its more the pushing of the envelope MP used to represent. MP-10 & MP-12 at the time felt like something we hadn't seen before. It was the OP & Sideswipe that felt definitive to most & leagues above the chug options at the time.
Now MPG-17 doesn't feel like iys pushing the envelope anymore. Chug has progressed so far again that these new mpg figures don't look or feel like the MP's of old. A figure that punches above all the rest
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>>11695144
And this is the best opportunity to introduce Armada/Micron Legends into the MPG line. Make them faithfully recreate the lineart/animation designs unlike the CHUG toys that decided to do a slightly different interpretation instead and retain all and every single Mini-Con gimmick that each of the original Armada/Micron Legends Transformer toy had without sacrificing articulation.
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>>11695004
>Actually watched the video in Chinese- not autodub or subtitle translate
>His opinion
>The thing is literally the best of the best leader class toy that you can get that is just labeled under MP. Even the cheaper price reflects this.
>It is not a MP, but it is definitely the best quality toy you can get now.
I really not sure what to think
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>>11695236
You said you didn't know any of them, and Alpha Trion was retconned as one of the group in some continuities and is one of the toys released in AotP, so it's logical to think you didn't know him either after what you said.
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>>11695236
Add on top of this most of the 13 Primes are borrowed shit they are working backwards with. The now infamous Aligned Continuity started this 13 Prime meme, that was 2010. They borrowed the Vector Prime from the 2004, Fallen from 2002, Liege Maximo from 1994 and Alpha Trion from 1984. Others for sure but those four are showing how much a fanfic monstrosity the whole idea was and the only reason it even holds any weight in the fandom is because of how low bar quality the whole production was (ie 30 minute/page toy commercial)
>>11695298
He might not have by pure technicality. AT didn't start as part of this 13 Primes shit. By your logic he wouldn't know Optimus Prime either. If anything is shows just how inside track this 13 Prime thing is even.
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>Brawl, Vortex and Blast Off look really good
>Onslaught needed that extra detail from the og toy
The combaticons are such a mixed bag.
>Beuticus looks like a mess from the waist down
>Swindle looks like complete shit
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Just found out what those "darts" are based on.
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>>11695446
He was conquering planets, and turning them into new Cybertrons. Then, he was connecting them togheter, creating a gigantic network of connected planets. Somehow that was supposed to help him open portal to gods real, where he planed to kill and usurp Primus.
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Mark trying to run damage control on instagram kek
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>>11695319
>Does his box say he is one of the 13?
The Thirteen are the only releases with their names written in gold letters, that's a subtle thing but still obvious if you take a look at the boxes.
>>11695314
>By your logic he wouldn't know Optimus Prime either.
Maybe he didn't know Star Optimus Prime specifically. In fact, I'm sure most fans know jack shit about the Battlestars lore, so that's not surprising.
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>>11695512
Is he missing a chest piece?
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>>11695506
I'm actually fine with this, I'm collecting all the frame combiners so I can use this gimmick and that head sculpt is pretty cool.
Also anyone who was expecting anything else after it was revealed that Nexus was going to be a Voyager was just coping hard.
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>>11695512
This will be a significantly huge missed opportunity if they don't make unique limbs for him.
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>Making a figure of "The Prime all about combining"
>Could have made him a smaller dude who combines with a vehicle to become a bigger guy like Star Saber
>Could have made a combiner made up of several core-class figures like Volcanicus
>Hell could have made a throwback to Power Core Combiners where a single Deluxe figure combines with four vehicles without robot modes based off the Energon combiner limbs
>Fuck that, make a single figure who can't combine without 5 other purchases (Not even 4 just for the limbs, you still need to grab a Commander class fig for the combiner frame)
>Also make him the most bland looking out of all of the Thirteen while giving him a literal rectangle as an altmode and calling it a space ship
How do you fuck up THIS badly? Like at the end of the day even some of the weaker Primes like Solus and Alchemist were still decent figures at the end of the day. This is just plain bad.
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I don't really wan't to buy Superion or Menasor twice, to give Nexus combined mode limbs. Any chance they make a San Diego Comic Con special edition, with his own dedicated frame and members (not a totally new mold, I'm fine with recolors of existing ones)?
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>>11695528
>Could have made him a smaller dude who combines with a vehicle to become a bigger guy like Star Saber
That's a super mode, not a combiner
>Could have made a combiner made up of several core-class figures like Volcanicus
Core class combiners suck, Volcanicus was ass and it would have made the combined mode of a Prime look pathetic
>Hell could have made a throwback to Power Core Combiners where a single Deluxe figure combines with four vehicles without robot modes based off the Energon combiner limbs
Those also were also shit.
I can understand not liking watch they did with the toy, but those are all worse ideas.
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>>11695537
>Those also were also shit
Opinion discarded.
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>>11695545
PCCs were a neat idea and most were cool but a lot were fragile. A modern take could probably improve the idea though...
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>>11695562
honestly
I really don't have an issue with frame combiners when they're being used to enhance the structural stability of a single character. BUT NEXUS IS RETARDED
frames shouldn't scramble. It looks completely wrong and nexus should have been a duocon or something. Mark needs to be publicly castrated.
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>>11695166
>I never cared for the whole “13 Primes” thing
>I’m an old school G1 guy
Pretty sure the whole "original 13 Transformers" concept comes from the G1 comic, whether they were explicitly referred to as "the Primes" back then or not.
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>Can't even Scramble City properly since Menasor's legs are shorter than Superions
Yea Combiner Frames are the worst shit Legacy has pushed honestly
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>>11695506
Most of you TF fans are such insufferable faggots.
>Nexus is revealed
>omg, how come they don't show his combining stuff?
>they show his combining stuff
>lol, look at them damage control and cope!
It's like you guys just want stuff to be mad at.
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>>11695576
And even before them, there was Covenant. Basically proto Thirteen.
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Covenant_(story)
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>>11695575
I honestly hate how the arms work. They generally have just enough to stay in place. I had to get 3 Superions because the left arms couldn't hold up with a figure attached. The other issue is not making the upper arm connection using pegs, the current connection is those thin bars with pegs at the bottom and I haven't been able to push them all the way on the Superion frame with any of the compatible figures for fear if breaking them since the bar connection is super tight.
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>>11695593
It's honestly insane. How does this fuck up so hard? Silverbolt, Onslaught and Motormaster all look fine in all 3 of their modes. This guy only looks good in his robot mode despite having the weakest vehicle mode I've ever seen on a Transformer.
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The thing that annoys me about Nexus is that fact that HasTak figured out how to do smaller scale combiners that would have been perfect to recreate Nexus's original toy, but we can’t get that because the higher ups decided that Core doesn’t sell enough to justify the cost
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>>11695537
>but those are all worse ideas.
No, none of them are, wheat we are getting was the worse idea. Look at >>11695506
>>11695512
and tell us how the fucking hell that's a better idea?
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>>11695528
The problem with most of these is that Nexus Prime himself IS the combiner. He is supposed to split into separate individual characters, having them be compromised defeats the purpose of him being the combiner.
Then there is the other issue at hand that the end result not only looks like dogshit but also removes the purpose of the character.
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>>11695590
>Anon notes the whole thing is like really bad fan fiction
>it actually is really bad fan-fiction
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>>11695604
Nexus shouldn't be a small combiner.
>>11695600
The problem here is that it does, in fact, actually look like shit.
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>>11695637
I wouldn't say fan fiction, but Club fiction is pretty obscure. I tried to read it few times, but its mostly boring wank service, and wiki fodder. When they came up with Universal Stream names, it was way to nerdy for me. Pretty sure only like 5 people in the fandom cared about it, and all of them are tfwiki editors.
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>>11695648
That's been the issue with these brands is much like the cape comics the market keeps shrinking which leads to the inmates running the asylum so things grow worse and worse because they are feeding an ever shrinking base. Naturally it will hit a failure point if it shrinks too much but that might be more a question now of "when" rather than "if" looking at how the brands are going forward now.
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>>11695655
Actually by less than a year. And I've probably forgotten more G1 lore than you've ever known.
Imagine openly bragging about only knowing the G1 toon and BW out of a huge franchise and then trying to flex about your superior knowledge in the same breath.
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>>11695657
>Imagine openly bragging about only knowing the G1 toon and BW
who's doing that here?
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>>11695659
bro we can track IPs again.
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>>11695664
>who's doing that here?
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>I’m an old school G1 guy (and Beast Wars) fan.
This is who I was talking to. So if this isn't you, why are you even jumping in faggot?
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>Falling apart over nothing anon.
Lol. You made a stupid accusation, trying to sound smart. But now you're acting like "yeah, cool, whatever, didn't care in the first place". What are you, 12? But go on, prove me wrong. Entertine me, my monkey.
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While I didn’t see the 1986 movie in theaters (I was too young) but I did see it when it came out on video (March of 1987). It was one of the top five most important days of my life. Oddly I wasn’t upset about Prime dying. I was too enthralled with Unicron.
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>>11695676
I think it's cool. The only part where it starts to get stupid for me is the idea that each Prime has "descendants" somehow, IE all beasts from Onyx, etc.
I much prefer when all TFs (including the 13) were birthed from the planet Cybertron itself through Primus. I don't like characters being created off-world (like the Dinobot origin in the cartoon) for the same reason.
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>>11695687
The micromasters are represented via Micronus, and both western fiction and japenese fiction brought up that they are basically the same thing.
Meanwhile, it gets murky with Headmasters due to the differences in fiction, but at their core, are just combiners.
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>>11695512
Looks bad in both individual and combined mode. So any justification is discarded.
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>>11695693
Those were titan masters. And titan masters are.. well
lore time.
According to titans return,
Titan Masters are a small type of natural cybertronian created to maintain the inside of Titans. They're also able to be 'gifts' to societies and civilizations titans encounter on their journeys across the universe. The ability for them to be become headmasters to share their unique abilities with cybertronians is secondary to their standard purpose in lore. (but obviously not in toy form)
Since they're small and provide power ups to other cybertronians, they are most likely related to micronus and do not need their own prime.
POTP prime masters are just titan masters with the power of a prime. The pretender shell gimmick was made to hide their powers from detection.
>>11695699
This is a good idea. Quintus experimenting on organics to turn them into power-ups like titan masters and mini-cons..
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>>11695708
As much as I like IDW, I am glad we’re past that era of the franchise where they felt the need to explain every part of Cybertronian “biology” being due to ancient history. Like the Titans being the servants of the Primes and requiring Cityspeakers to communicate with them instead of just being big Transformers. Heck, they make such a big deal about ancient Titans but never acknowledge the Last Autobot, an ancient Titan created by Primus
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>>11695635
I already did. All the other ideas in this thread suck ass. The only way Nexus was better is to make it a full combiner, something we knew for months wasn't going to be given his Voyager size class.
Every other option said here is even more half assed than having him connect to the frames as a torso. A super mode/duocon/core class midget combiner/half-assed combiner with non transforming drones? All of them even more removed to the original idea of Nexus than what we got.
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All you had to do, is add two more guys and make him bigger, Hasbro.
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>>11695581
That's just the tip of the iceberg. Here's the biggest complaint.
>they show his combining stuff
>Now he's completely unsalvageable. The way he combines goes completely against what he's supposed to be in-lore!
Now they just explode in flames about how this Nexus Prime is completely unsalvageable to the point where even his combined mode sucks for being a hollow mess that SHOULDN'T BE CRADLED FROM THE BACK OF THE FRAME!!! Now people are just gonna beg for the true Nexus Prime to be HasLab at the last minute as some form of damage control, because my god, this horrible excuse for the "Prime of Combination" is the worst thing I ever saw in my life.
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>>11695592
Somebody else can post it since I don't have them on hand without digging em out but somebody pose Superion next to Menasor and swap a leg
It's JUST off enough that he'd been like big boots lol
>>11695595
The arms are so god damn dogshit
They're so horrible to me to even start with, then you slap bots on them and it still doesn't feel good
I really do think not even 3P can save them
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>>11695755
That's expanding an individual character's backstory; that's not what anyone's talking about. We're talking about how the lore in the comic linked every single TF trait back to the 13.
I will say though, IDW Megs was one of the only situations where you could get away with making him redeemable like that. Compare him in Marvel or Dreamwave/MegatronOrigin, to his characterization in the early IDW Furman run, or even AHM: in the former stuff he's very blatantly a psychopathic ragemonster, even in his State Games origin story which gave him good motivation. In IDW from the start, Megs was shown as much more pragmatic and reserved unless showing his force was absolutely necessary. He always had a straighter head on him than 90% of other Megatrons; taking that and showing him to be tired of the war makes sense, imo.
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>>11695769
I think that design is supposed to be a vague representation of his combined mode. At least the head is fairly close.
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>>11695576
None of that is quite right. Basically, while it wasn't fully formed until the early-2000s, the idea has existed since Furman's run on the Marvel comic. The Last Autobot and Liege Maximo were both heavily laying clues that they were part of some mysterious long-gone pantheon of "original Transformers", but details were intentionally vague. Prima was also introduced here, but only as "the first Prime/Matrix bearer" and one of the first TFs created (if not the first?) - which makes him a member of these guys by proxy, but I'm not entirely sure if Furman thought about that angle at the time.
Come the Dreamwave comic and Furman'a introduction of The Fallen, he basically said outright "his story is building off ideas I had wanted to explore with The Last Autobot” during Marvel. There was also a guidebook he wrote around this time, and that was the first mention iirc of "the 13 original transformers", but I don't recall if it actually said 13 yet? It did introduce the idea that Macaddam was rumored to be one of them by drunk patrons, tho.
Behind the scenes, Aaron Archer had crafted up his own version of the 13, and this is what'd later evolve into The Aligned 13 - he took Prima, Liege, Fallen, and Alpha Trion, and added a bunch of others meant to represent different TF gimmicks. He was also the one who created Vector Prime, who I'm actually fond of specifically because "TF god of time" isn't exactly "embodying a toy gimmick to be an ancestor" lol.
Around this time, Nexus Prime was also invented separately by a 3rd group of people, for the collector's club comic.
Anyway, Nexus got folded into the group and the full 13 roster got publicly unveiled for the first time when the Aligned continuity was first announced (all with dramatic redesigns, of course). The rest you guys all know.
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>>11695506
This just isn't what Nexus Prime is supposed to be. He's not a combiner torso, he IS the combiner.
They essentially just made a new Heatwave and called it a day.
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>>11694973
>Behold: Guy.
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>>11695818
Also Guy.
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>>11695162
The only good ones are the ones they slowly dripfed as part of Furman's schizoposting over the years. The one's Archer shit out in an afternoon for his lore bible who only had boring Aligned designs are all lame as fuck.
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>>11695162
The only ones I bought so far are
>The Fallen
I read a lot of Dreamwave back in middle school and fuck me I'd be lying if an edgy black and purple tank bot on fire wasn't the coolest thing to me (Also back in the day I didn't really get the full story of The War Within so I assumed when Prime and Megatron got lost in the space bridge I thought that The Fallen was a fusion of the two)
>Micronus
Minicons are cool, simple as.
I'm considering Alpha Trion if I can find him cheap since I can just give him a moustached head and all my troubles with the figure would be placated, and Liege Maximo because I'm a Marvelfag also. Onyx Prime too if they ever do a Blue version, but if there's no sign of that I'll probably buy him within the year. There rest I don't give a shit about.
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>>11695528
>>Hell could have made a throwback to Power Core Combiners where a single Deluxe figure combines with four vehicles without robot modes based off the Energon combiner limbs
I really thought they were gonna do this.
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>>11695785
For me the biggest disappointment is that head sculpt, its so ugly.
I like how the base robot mode gives a bit of old school 70s super robot vibes and the jet mode reminded me of the very early "transforming" mecha like Raideen where its just kinda laying down and hiding the head under a cockpit
it was obvious just looking at him that he was gonna form a torso for any frame so what i was hoping for was that the head would look similar to those old school super robot heads, make him both the first combiner in terms of lore but also in terms of real world aesthetics, I imagined the whole cockpit would be hiding a corny head like voltes v
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>>11695870
>For me the biggest disappointment is that head sculpt, its so ugly.
for me it's the exact opposite, the CoP combined mode head is literally the only thing revealed about this toy that I like.
I just want a toy of this design in general.
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>>11695722
>Heck, they make such a big deal about ancient Titans but never acknowledge the Last Autobot, an ancient Titan created by Primus
They always forget him. Aaron completely forgot him when creating the first 13 roster.
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>>11695506
That's literally the head of a bootleg robot I had when I was kid lmao
Why couldn't they at least keep the cool FunPub head?
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>>11695931
I really like the idea of one of the 13 being a giant sentinel to protect people, I think it's a fun archetype :)
I dont blame them for not making him in AotP though, design-wise he likely has too much overlap with the Titan The Ark they made years ago, still. Shame because I think The Ark is kinda ugly and frumpy. Also lacks that more teal-ish silver the comic gave The Last Autobot, that looked cool with the dirty gold.
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>>11695880
I think this is still possibly achievable. Maybe that future prime artifact pack is coming out itlll have some dudes in it. The arms would be two deluxe figures and the legs could be two core class figures. like a shrunken down version of the frame combiners
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>>11695976
No, just redo the entire guy with modern engineering, NO FRAME, and all of his components work as two Deluxe, two Voyagers, and one Leader with all original molds sold in a set. And I don't fucking care if this guy is sold in HasLab, just make a Nexus Prime faithful to the FunPub design, even if it can create more Energon Maximus-style combiners that will also be HasLab!
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>>11695976
None of this will fix the generic-ass fucking design. Its just a bad design. A bad robot design.
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>>11695987
Frame should at least add on to his altmode, since you can't change that at this point.
>>11695994
Cybertronian Space Cocks
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>>11695991
THEN FUCK THE FUCK OUT OF THIS FUCKING THREAD AND NEVER FUCKING RETURN! YOU ARE A FUCKING DISGRACE TO FUCKING TRANSFORMERS THAT YOU NEVER FUCKING DESERVE TO BELONG HERE. BEYOND FUCKING GEEWUN, BEYOND FUCKING REEDUN, GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE, NOW!
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>>11695785
lol, LMAO
>>11695870
Don’t you dare bring up Voltes V in the same sentence with this abomination
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>>11695512
Holy KWABoli
Copers eternally BTFO
>>11695581
>Nexus is revealed
>background generic robot mode and box-with-wings alt mode
>"SHUT UP CHUDS THE HIDDEN TORSO MODE WILL BE SO GOOD"
>torso mode is garbage
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>>11695512
Remember in Combiner Wars there was that solo release of Scattorshot before either Computron set?
He could form a torso called "Betatron"?
This is that.
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>>11696066
How is this FunPub's fault?
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>>11695534
wait so he's only compatible with the frame guys?
>>11695537
Iunno man I think drone combiners often work out great..
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>>11695568
I am okay with frames as long as the frame turns into something useful
it doesn't have to be a robot, but it should be something reasonable for the others to carry. a semi trailer is -okay-. a big weird brick that a plane plugs into is less okay. and I have NO idea how you'd pull it off with beastformers, but I would like to see them try anyway.
fact is, combining robots are a vestige of the brick days. As anyone who has tried to make Lego mechs can attest: It's easy to combine bricks into larger bricks. It's much harder to combine multi-jointed modular bodies into one multi-jointed modular body. These days we demand so much articulation, and every point of articulation means either a separate transformer, or a guy with a huge elbow or knee built into him, or a guy that splits in half while the frame handles the elbow part.
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>>11695639
cant disagree with you there. woof. some of the worst modes I've ever seen.
>>11695636
the 13 primes are a difficult enough concept, one of them is also multiple guys?
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>>11695652
indeed.
>>11695650
the comics predate the show!?!?
>>11695664
ehh? we can't track IPs
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>>11696102
Superion's superjet mode is awesome though, the base mode is the part that sucks. I barely ever have silverbolt in robot mode anyway though since he's just not super fun to mess with.
>I have NO idea how you'd pull it off with beastformers
magnaboss ironhide forms all four limbs of the figure, lmao
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>>11695691
Though in fairness, it is kind of meta-appropriate since that's literally how Transformers was made. A bunch of unrelated robot toys being kludged together into one group.
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kek
>>11695753
this one is almost acceptable. fascinating.
>>11695791
>None of that is quite right.
and you guys wonder why I'm so bad at knowing G1 lore. This shit is so confusing and nobody has a consistent story.
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>>11696104
>the comics predate the show!?!?
Yep, the original Marvel run started on May 8th, while the first episode wouldn’t air until September 17th. Heck, the original plot of the series was devised by Denny O'Neil, Jim Shooter, and Bob Budiansky, who also wrote the first part of the comic and every single American G1 Name, Bio, and Tech Specs
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>>11696010
i actually think the sculpt improves on the original, the eye to mouth distance works better this way. very Alex Toth.
Itis kinda hilarious though seeing this telephone game of 'mouth area becomes glowy mouth becomes glowy visor'.. if I am indeed interpreting this properly.
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>>11696106
>Superion's superjet mode is awesome though
This is just a tennis racquet.
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>>11696106
yeah and Ironhide sucked. and becoming the entire arms and legs also sucked, very unsatisfying.
>>11696110
but... what about their initial production? release dates don't really mean that much if they're only 4 months apart.
>it was written as comic bios and tech specs first
well goll-lee. IIRC isn't that also how GI Joe and Mortal Kombat got their characters sorted out? I'm just really surprised that's the case for Transformers.
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I wish more scifi would do that.
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>>11696129
seriously. what a maroon
it's clearly a hagoita
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>>11696131
more like ninjago mechs where the shoulders need so much reinforcement, due to legos' natural tendency to come apart when pulled in an upward direction, that you get these huge shoulder cowlings and really odd shoulder heights, either high or low.
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>>11696156
I don’t know about Mortal Kombat, but yes, GI Joe was the same way. GI Joe's success is what led Transformers to get the exact same treatment. Another reason is that back in the day there were regulations in the amount of animation a commercial for a toy could have, to prevent possible false advertising, which didn’t apply to comic books, so if you notice, the first Transformers commercials are technically advertising the comic, not the toys https://youtu.be/mAIS8i8f4fU?si=eRdCoASj0NPVJ-rW
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>>11696167
It’d be better to do Nexus first because he’s the only one with five unique molds. Then all HasTak has to do is make a Deluxe Storm Jet and they can do all of the Energon Air and Demolition Teams members
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>>11696171
ohhhh clever.
fuckin regulators.
>>11696174
Did you see, some guy actually made this product, complete with the packaging, and sent it to Dan Povenmire as a gift.
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>>11696160
either way the shape just accentuates how incomplete he feels as a torso. i know about engineering costs add-up, but hasbro didnt even include any accessories that could have helped complete his look (outside the matrix of combination)
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>>11696194
it must be intensely frustrating to be a part of any current entertainment franchises
you grew up watching this shit, you thought 'someday, I could be the one making the toys'
and you get there and every exec is a drooling retard and you have to sabotage everything you make to meet their idiot demands.
It feels like a fucking villain backstory.
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I'd say the biggest drawback to frame combiners is not the frame itself but how prohibitively expensive they are.
You could achieve something reasonably close (though never identical) to funpub Nexus Prime by mixing and matching Bruticus and Superion's molds but that would be a 250$ boxset or it eats up a big chunk of the mainline, including a commander slot.
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I think I might have an idea of how they might've done better and in budget
>Have Nexus be a commander class torso
>Main bot folds into 2 types of torsos
>One for a CW build and the other more tightly folded to fit into his AotP combiner kibble
>AotP kibble becomes feet and hands for his CW combo
>Cover him in 5mm ports, and a few pegs
>Possible to add PCC pegs to him?
Also, if anyone can I'd like to see pictures of the CW torso guys trying to fit into their AotP torso kibble.
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Do you know the frustration of looking for something that’s way too old to be in circulation, but also not old enough to be considered vintage or nostalgic?
God bless Japan
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>tons of new messages on /tfg/
>enter
>it's just autist discussing some retarded figure
I fucking hate modern /tfg/.
back then we had just anons posting our photos and enjoying toys.
Now it's autismo-faggots discussing "new leaks" - and then thread slows down and then rinse and repeat
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I would've made nexus like siege reflector and done him as a 3 bot troop build combiner. He could either form a torso or both a leg and an arm. Make the legs form an arm with the hips acting as a double elbow and the torso form a leg with the cockpit section acting as the foot.
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>>11694973
i am the only guy who likes Nexus in this thread.
I see him as transformer that can "capture" Combiners and when he does that - combiner becomes your ally and you can control it.
So in my play for example Bruticus will be attacking autobot city and autobots will be falling and then suddenly NEXUS COMES TO SAVE THE DAY and he captures Bruticus and bruticus starts attacking Decepticons.
It's the FIRST combiner that can do that!
it will be so much fun. everyboy esle in this thread is a boomer with imagination that died eons ago
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>>11695657
>Imagine openly bragging about only knowing the G1 toon and BW out of a huge franchise
G1 and BW spawned multiple seasons, spin-offs, and sequels from Headmasters to BW Neo and it was at it's most healthiest and peak popularity. Not sure what else we're suppose to flex over if not the shows.
The push about the 13 primes just doesnt interest me because outside Alpha Trion being retconned as one and I remember Solus Prime being mentioned in Prime with the hammer they used they're not really a thing, yeah? I guess The Fallen was mentioned but the whole push with this lore seems uninteresting without any actual attachment to these characters beyond retcons. Maybe they are in the IDW comics but I aint readin those things given all I ever hear people talk about them are gay and trans shit on Twitter and how Optimus Prime would abolish ICE. Already tells me what I need to know about those comic plotlines and its fans lol
Anyway, we need actual new Headmaster molds like Targetmasters are getting. I'm tired of Titan Returns recolors and remolds.
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>>11696289
He's perfect as a vehicle. it's a flying brick that has just 1 mission:
1) aim to the combiner's chest
2) dash forward and attach to Combiner's chest and transform capturing combiner's Mainfraime and making it your ally
nothing personnel mega-dork, Bruticus is ours now
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>>11696301
>nexus captures combiner war criminal(s)
>kills dozens of other war criminals with new body, possibly causing severe mental anguish to the limb bots
>then he somehow destroys the combiner to make sure the enemies can never combine again because extra edge
this is such an outstandingly retarded idea that I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet
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>>11696069
At least the solo release of Scattershot didn't require you to cannibalize parts from an $80+ commander class figure just to be able to connect limbs to him (which would then also render the rest of that $80+ toy unable to combine with anything else).
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>>11696317
Have you never seen the toy in person? It's clearly a mouth. In addition to that, it's also clearly a mouth on all of the artwork he's depicted in. The problem is Hasbro's artists/designers relying on half-baked Google searches to look up their own characters, and then none of their bosses bothering to correct them when they make stupid mistakes like that. This sort of thing has been happening again and again and again.
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>>11696285
Count me as the second anon to like the new Nexus Prime as I always see Nexus Prime as a duplicitous bot whose combining ability allows him to steal or convert any bots into limbs and enslave them, shutting off their minds so that he himself is the only one in control and ignoring the inherent flaw most Combiners have. The only ones that can defeat him are the Energon Combiners like Optimus and Superion Maximus for employing drones and thus evening the field.
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>>11696325
this is the best idea
If i was Nexus i would capture Bruticus and go on a berserk-rampage against decepticons not caring about any damage i will recieve, using my own hand as a shield (so Vortex will be killed).
If i will get destroyed - good.
If i will manage to live long enough (before escape-poding myself out of the battle) before i will do as much damage as i can - also good.
it's like shooting two ducks with 1 shot
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>>11695791
>There was also a guidebook he wrote around this time, and that was the first mention iirc of "the 13 original transformers", but I don't recall if it actually said 13 yet?
It was from the Ultimate Guide's page on Maccadam's Old Oil House where it says there was a rumor that the bartender was secretly one of the 13 Original Primes. Simon Furman himself later said that this wasn't part of any big plan, but rather he just liked the idea of overblown rumors at this Cybertronian pub. But people then latched onto the idea and ran with it. So other characters previously created before that were never intended to be part of the 13, because the concept of the 13 didn't even exist yet. For example, Liege Maximo's whole deal from the G2 comic was that there must be a balance between good and evil, so when the first prime was created, so was Liege Maximo, and that Megatron is in some way offspring of his. Furman's unofficial story, "Alignment," went on to further establish Liege Maximo as one of the first Cybertronians, but once again, there was no explicit mention of the 13 because that wasn't even a thing yet.
Saying that he exists as an ancient, evil counter-balance to the existence of a prime is a far cry from saying he was himself a prime and just one of 13 total dudes rather that a counter to one guy. But years later, when the idea of the 13 Original Primes was embraced by Hasbro as actual canon rather than a rumor at a bar, Liege Maximo (along with Alplha Trion and The Fallen) got retconned onto belonging to the group.
Also, Nexus Prime never "got folded into the group," because as far as I'm aware, he was always meant to be a member. He was created after the published reference to the 13 in the Ultimate Guide, and regardless of Furman's original intention with that line, FunPub wanted to run with the idea of the 13 as a real thing. But since his toys were released at a rate of one per year, it took five years before he was finally complete.
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>>11696362
Liege Maximo was always meant to be one of the 13, Furman himself wrote him as such in Alignment and the Ultimate Guide. He predates the concept officially, but that was the intent.
It's just that the 13 weren't all Primes when Furman introduced the idea, that was a Funpub retcon.
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>>11696292
has transformers ever had a plot where a decepticon/predacon runs for office as an autobot/maximal and just starts being openly evil and for some reason nobody stops him, instead people just start hating autobots/maximals?
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>>11696319
insane. there's like, two of those. and it makes no sense to combine with them since that means you're using PART of one guy as part of your combiner.
that shit flies in sentai, for sure, but not here
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>>11696373
it reminded me of that Superman Returns movie, where they get basically everything right except they biff the colors hard. deep bright cyan with deep blood red? what the FUCK was that? do you not know hues?
t-wrecks is supposed to be deep, rich, Red Delicious Apple red. They changed that to ketchup red and I cannot imagine why anyone thought that was a good idea.
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>>11696382
He was always meant to be one of the original transformers, but not one of the original "13," because the idea of there being 13 of them is what didn't exist. And I looked it up on that page of the Ultimate Guide and you're correct that it refers to them as the original 13 "transformers" rather than primes, so I misremembered that part. So Liege Maximo was meant to be one of the first, and an evil counterpart to the first prime, but he wasn't "always meant to be one of the 13," because there being originally 13 wasn't a concept that existed when Liege Maximo was created.
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>>11696388
Then on top of all that, wasn't he the guy they wanted to paint his teeth, but ended up using the headsculpt with his mouth closed for some reason, so the paint for his teeth just ended up slapped across his lips?
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>>11696393
ahahaha yes. What a fucking fuckup.
and it's only gonna get worse. We are living in the Idiocracy future, the only difference is instead of people watching like 9 tv stations at once, they're watching nothing but phones. Competence is about as easy to find as fresh water in an african shantytown.
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>>11696260
I'm literally hunting Prime stuff now and only Japan did the Deluxe Ironhide, Frenzy/rumble and some others it seems
I want the Skywarp and Thundercracker too because they're on the Deluxe First Edition Mold which is based
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I unironically like him
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>>11696390
>He was always meant to be one of the original transformers, but not one of the original "13," because the idea of there being 13 of them is what didn't exist.
Does this matter, though? It's still the same concept, the only difference is we originally didn't know [exactly] how many there were, and it was a later retcon that they were all Primes of some sort. Obviously the idea evolved over time, but I don't think that it's a lie to say the Marvel's "The Original Transformers" were the same concept that became "The 13 Primes" in the 2000s.
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>>11696362
>Also, Nexus Prime never "got folded into the group," because as far as I'm aware, he was always meant to be a member.
After or around The Ultimate Guide's publication, Aaron Archer had internally created his own vision of the 13, including creating Vector Prime. This wasn't publicly shared, he only showed off a sketch exploring his concept from back then, like, only a handful of years ago. But, Nexus was notably not a part of that initial roster - because as we know, Nexus was created by the FunPub guys, not Archer. What I meant was that by the time of the Aligned Continuity, Nexus got folded into that initial Archer lineup to form the one we're familiar with now.
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>>11696108
>>None of that is quite right.
>and you guys wonder why I'm so bad at knowing G1 lore. This shit is so confusing and nobody has a consistent story.
Issue is it's -a lot- of speculation and conjecture. Like one anon said it's like bad fan-fiction, vague ideas dragged to the front that you pray the fans will just eat up taking style over substance.
This is a kids toy brand that's whole lore was built around selling said toys so in someways it's expected be we have reached the point that the manchildren that grew up with the show/comic are now making the products and looking over to what happen with Marvel and DC when that took place it's clear we are ahead for some bad times.
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>>11696292
>G1 and BW spawned multiple seasons, spin-offs, and sequels from Headmasters to BW Neo and it was at it's most healthiest and peak popularity
I don't disagree, but I also notice you're conveniently leaving out the second half of my quote.
>>11696390
>but not one of the original "13," because the idea of there being 13 of them is what didn't exist.
Kek, is this what all the pedantry in this thread was about? The specific number?
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>>11696459
>show/comic are now making the products and looking over to what happen with Marvel and DC when that took place it's clear we are ahead for some bad
idw had tranny bots. the problem is Americans write super hero shit that's all they can do
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OK, so now with this whole shitshow and people complaining about Nexus Prime (even in the comment sections of Mark's post), do you think there's a chance of them remaking him at the Commander class price point? Even if it is in 5 years from now
They could take the "cheapest" route (recolored Superion/Bruticus limb bots + recolored Onslaught as Heatwave), the only thing they'd need to do is make a new combiner frame (mostly to accommodate the different leg bot styles). And of course new heads for the combined mode and the components
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>>11696268
NTA, but this is an image board, not a discussion board. The point is to post pics of your toys; the problem is that this place is infested with people who don't actually collect toys themselves, so the only way they can participate is by posting "leaks" or other people's images.
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>>11696393
Yeah, that still infuriates me, especially since we know the mold for the proper head sculpt existed - there were a few reports of Kingdom Megatron's that had a grimacing head back in the day, and when they finally got around to releasing T-Wrecks, he was shown using that same exact grimacing head. Combine that with the fact that the machines had clearly need keyed up to apply paint to his face in the EXACT spot where his teeth would have been visible if they'd used the grimacing head, and the fuckup is undeniable.
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>>11696266
Most of us left to smaller communities that connect in irl, the reason you see nothing is the hack removed any doubt of what this place really is so the few of us that come back are not here for the community or worse they just can't into soc ail networks so this is it.
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The issue is broader than comics or country. The moment the teams working on a projects are by majority the fans that grew up with it, things get weird in a bad way. Normally that only happens when the product starts to decline in sales such as what happen with the big two in comics or as a side Transformers: Car Robots anime where the majority working on it are fans of what they grew up with and it starts causing serious shake ups with the designs because it's no longer about making new things, it's about parading the old things and wanting to make them the focus.
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Can we fire that retard already?
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>>11696010
Not a misinterpretation but a conscious redesign, we have new info now. https://roseknightmare.tistory.com/2760
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>>11696680
Man, I am still so disappointed about RID Sideburn. All I wanted was a good update of the original that wasn't 90% clear plastic and instead hes a bad retool of an already bad figure.
And still no word on the other two brothers
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>>11695750
>but those are all worse ideas.
How are any of these worse than spending $43 on a figure with a shit deco that's bad in both it's main modes and whose gimmick requires you to spend at least $200 to actually work.
Am I certain this isn't just Mark running damage control?
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>>11696285
That's fun, even if I like him for being the genericon-style Prime from the geewun flashbacks. You couldn't pay me to engage with the frame meme past Menasor, and only because I can always remove the arms and shins and use the CW limbs with a couple of adapters.
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>>11696385
IIRC Maximals were retconned into being the bad guys while the Predacons were the poor downtrodden underclass, which is a decent idea if we take Dinobot as the model Predacon but that was likely snake lady's doing rather than a real writer trying something interesting.
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>>11696770
The mold itself was a bit hit or miss, with it not properly tabbing together. I’m shocked they never retooled it into a G1 Skyquake though, especially with all the promotions of it connecting to the Needlenose mold
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>>11696385
The closest I can think of is RID15 where Cyclonus becomes the elected ruler of post-war Cybertron and organizes a propaganda campaign blaming the Autobots for the war.
Thus Bumblebee goes from a war hero to a beat cop while a few other Autobots are forced into hiding for being alleged war criminals.
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>>11696760
>How are any of these worse
Because they fucking suck at being Nexus Prime? For fucks same, there's someone here who even said that a retool of Amalgamous would be better and you think anyone should take your stupid takes seriously?
>and whose gimmick requires you to spend at least $200 to actually work.
That would have been the cost of an accurate combiner Nexus Maximus though. And that would have been the ideal release. But we knew he was going through be a Voyager for a long while, enough time to reach the conclusion that at most he would be just a wonky torso, exactly what it is. Dislike the thing all you want, but the absolute meltdown happening in this thread is ridiculous.
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>>11696560
>Most of us left to smaller communities that connect in irl, the reason you see nothing is the hack removed any doubt of what this place really is so the few of us that come back are not here for the community or worse they just can't into soc ail networks so this is it
Literally where else is there to talk about anything? I never liked tfw2005. Reddit? Twitter? Facebook? They're all horrible. I dont know where the fuck else to go. But 4chan keeps getting emptier and emptier. Where did everyone else go?
What irl stuff are you talking about?
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>>11696760
>and whose gimmick requires you to spend at least $200 to actually work.
Here's what I don't get about this complaint. Anyone who cares THIS much about a nobody character like Nexus Prime must presumably be really, really into combiners right?
So why then do you not have Superion or Bruticus or Menasor already? If you're that into it? It's not a question of spending another $200, it's $200 they figured you already spent especially if you're this down-bad for a nobody like Nexus. There are plenty of TF fans who know the Aerialbots/Stunticons/Combaticons and have never even heard of Nexus, whereas the inverse is NOT true.
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>>11696810
>Literally where else is there to talk about anything? I never liked tfw2005. Reddit? Twitter? Facebook? They're all horrible.
Instagram is pretty good for TF posting. tfw2005 is both better and worse than here depending on the day, but I've been seeing the same kind of faggotry both there and here ever since Nexus-gate.
Any AOTP thread over there has been unusable for like the last year with their speculating and thinking out loud hijacking any discourse, so I like the new Nexus just because it managed to piss them off (along with the autists here kek).
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>>11696714
>Man, I am still so disappointed about RID Sideburn. All I wanted was a good update of the original that wasn't 90% clear plastic and instead hes a bad retool of an already bad figure.
And still no word on the other two brothers
bro, are you me?
RID2001 bros, we're forgotten and ignored
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>>11696822
Isn't that the very Scramble City play pattern a lot of you guys are always asking for though?
>we want to be able to scramble and mix and match our combiners
>NO NOT LIKE THAT
Maybe not you specifically anon, but I have zero doubt that several posters here are talking out of both sides of their mouths on this issue.
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>>11696853
I got Sideburn and Nucleous in a two pack for $15 back on Black Friday at Walmart. I like him.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with his robot mode, and his alt mode is fine what it is. There was 0.0% chance of him being a Dodge Viper anymore for obvious reasons.
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>>11696827
>Isn't that the very Scramble City play pattern a lot of you guys are always asking for though?
No, you disingenuous retard.
We were advocating for CW-style "1-torso then pick whatever libs you want/can find" like 4 Rooks, or Blots, or Blast-Offs, not spending $143 to have TWO incomplete combiners instead of one.
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>>11696823
I just could never go back to message boards after I started using 4chan.
What's the best IG tags for transformer photos? Please help me I was always retarded but now I'm a retarded boomer I don't know how this shit works.
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>>11696930
>What's the best IG tags for transformer photos?
I always just use the name of the characters in my pics and current line (#studioseries, or whatever), along with #transformersphotography, #transformerscollector and sometimes #transformershumor if I'm posting some lulzy or parody pics like pic related. Or #autobots, #decepticons or whatever. I don't think hastags matter too much anymore, my IG is cucked and only lets me use up to 5 anyway.
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>>11696819
>Anyone who cares THIS much about a nobody character like Nexus Prime must presumably be really, really into combiners right?
I don't think I should have to explain why exactly this is so monumentally retarded. The gimmick doesn't justify the price you have to pay to get it. It's insane to me how throughout the whole of the 2000s we were shitting on retarded gimmicks that cost the design but now all of a sudden people are defending this shit?
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>>11696770
Looked almost nothing like the Prime design
Every one of the characters shown in the meme are characters who's Legacy release's were a total shit show and they're noticeably worse in every way than the originals with the worst cases being ENTIRELY different nearly
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>>11697009
Frame combiners:
>look better
>pose better
>are sturdier
So why are they bad?
>they JUST ARE, ok?!
>le slop meme
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>>11696985
That is quite clearly not what I said. You need an IQ test. Like that other anon said, I shouldn't have to dismantle one of my existing $200+ combiners just for the sake of some gimmick which for some reason isn't marketed on the box like it should be.
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>>11697006
If the frame was able to do something meaningful in all three necessary modes it wouldn't be that big of a deal. Unfortunately all the attempts thus far have been afterthoughts, with onslaught having probably the most acceptable attempt thus far. Silverbolt's frame is garbage, and Motormaster's is somehow even worse with a large chunk of it not even doing anything besides looking like a very imaginative gun implacement.
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>>11697014
>a guy turning into 70% of the combiner while remaining self-contained is the same as frame slop like Silverbolt's backpack
>>11697021
Why'd you post this both here and on tfw, Mr. Tranny?
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>>11697021
An argument could be made for the legs of Superion and Menasor being very very ugly. Not that combiner wars's half assed attempt was superior.
I do think with modern engineering a deluxe arm bot would be able to properly transform into an arm without an ugly elbow gap like the cw deluxes.
The biggest issues with the cw Era combiners was the poor proportions of the torsos, the hand foot guns being a poor attempt at all three things it tried to do, and the poor tolerances across the board. They absolutely could make self contained good looking combiners if the actually tried, I'm sure they could even get them to scramble if they actually tried. The frames are an excuse to make the figures cheaper, there is no other viable reason.
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>>11697014
Id love a new Magnaboss. Hopefully the designers realize that Prowl and Lio Junior are the same head mold, so they can just do one box set with differently decoed faces. Santon/Ironhide and Skywarp/Silverbolt are basically identical
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>>11697051
Nah, they're more likely to release it based on BWII so Prowl's probably being skipped over, I really doubt they'd release a component for this type of combiner by itself. Jr also has much better paint applications so I'd rather they do him.
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>>11697025
>I shouldn't have to dismantle one of my existing $200+ combiners
What do you mean by "dismantle"?
As in, take apart and put back together again?
Something you would presumably be doing with your combiners anyway? This is a problem now for some reason?
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>>11697064
Dismissing the frame shit clashing with it on a design level, why would I even waste my time scramble citying any of the combiners I would have with this godawful looking torso that looks too out of place compared to everything else?
The problem is not the gimmick itself, it's that everything else felt like an afterthought and it didn't pay off because it doesn't even do the gimmick as well as the rest of the torso pieces.
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Are they doing four red autobots in one wave?
Seems like a blunder
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Finally, my Cybertron resitance is going to be complete!
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>>11697103
Poor guy’s needed to use his staff as a cane ever since he got jumped by a time-traveler he tried to help. Then got his clothes stolen by said Time-traveler, who turned them into a fur-suit. Which he then spent the next 5 million years wearing and going around impersonating him while carrying out a plan which made no god damn sense.
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>>11696781
yeah that's dumb
BW was clear on it, the preds are the germans after WW1. they were defeated but they're biding their time and cookin'a-somethin'up.
T-rex Megatron following the plates to ancient Earth is like if Hitler started trying to build camps in like, 1920. Like dude, NOT YET. you have a bunch more work to do before you can do that. That's the impression I got from the Tripredacus council's view of him at least.
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>>11696823
how do you meet people in person on instantgrahams?
>>11696930
Let me explain how it works:
remember the old web? When things worked, and you could access them, and the menus made sense and you could navigate?
toss all that in the trash and take a shit in it.
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>>11696623
>conscious redesign
His exact words are, "instead of calling it a misrepresentation, call it a reinterpretation." Notice how it doesn't say it actually *was* a reinterpretation, just that he'd rather you *call it* that. Also, even though he says the face details were moved around, nowhere does he say that part was done on purpose. Maybe I'm wrong, but the whole thing feels like he's trying to pretend his mistake was just a case of taking artistic liberties, but he doesn't want to actually say outright that it wasn't a mistake so that if he ever gets found out, he can claim he technically didn't lie.
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I mean
it's not that much of a leap to say the records of the great war are being classified, given how little most characters know about it. And the explicit reason given for that is that they wanted Earth's location to remain a secret.
and while the Elders are not exactly indicted in the creation of Rampage, it... stands to reason that SOMEONE pretty high up would be involved in something that massive. That's what you call a government military lab situation. and a Primal was in charge of disposing of it BY the high council (which this thing states), so I'd say the fans aren't exactly reaching
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>>11697428
Anon
A Haslab is not comparable to Frameslop.
I don't know what angle you're firing at but you're shooting into an entirely different Country of conversation
I have 2 of the Transformer ones
Star Saber
Who I had to get a replacement T W I C E for because Hasbro's absolute inability to make a genuine product or what they promised. AND still had to 3P him to make him feel worth
And Omega Prime
Who was confirmed to have a dramatically fatal QC Flaw in %100 of them and has some cases of yellowing
He took forever to get here
I carefully unboxed
Took photos
And promptly listed and sold for over what I paid to try to cash out
I didn't even fucking touch it nearly
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Nexu Prime is completely fine, stop being ignorant. Literally nothing wrong with it.
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>>11696292
>The push about the 13 primes just doesnt interest me because outside Alpha Trion being retconned as one and I remember Solus Prime being mentioned in Prime with the hammer they used they're not really a thing, yeah?
Alpha trion and solus prime got some attention in Tfprime, but a lot of people didn't realize, rid2015, the immediate sequel, had heavy spotlight on micronus and the fallen, and cyberverse had a spotlight on alchemist prime (going under the name macadam)
Earthspark highlighted quintus and liege, just no one watched them.
So yeah, they've been trying for over 10 years to uplift the name recognition of the primes.
The comics made them sort of a joke though.
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>>11697516
I'm charmed that my commnt about need for a new lead designer led to his problems with shitting.
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>>11697786
They were blatantly wrong about Soundwave when even the designers said that an 86 Soundwave would be a new mold. I'm not defending them, but at least with Sunstreaker, Shockwave and Astrotrain, I haven't seen anything to imply they're new molds or re-releases of old molds in a new paint job.
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I just ordered the hated Nexus on BBTS. How mad does this make you?
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>>11697911
> Astrotrain has only ever been assumed not a new mold. Nothing has ever been said to the contrary, including leakers
TLK Megatron got pushed to next year, and they consistently do two new leader molds in Studio Series a year. So by process of elimination, Astrotrain is a new mold.
Which makes sense, because the Siege aesthetic is garbage and there’s no way to remove it without redoing the whole toy from scratch.
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>Nexus Prime isn’t even compatible with every frame, just Silverbolt’s
OH NO NO NO NOAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>n-no toys that come out at slightly different times can't possibly be on the shelf together!!! stop making fun of cuxus prime!!
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>Can take off gun wings to be more generic
>Wings cant be removed from said guns of cuckus prime.
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They actually call Nexus's alt mode a "jet tank" in the product description.
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>>11698012
Thunder Jet actually has a triangular shape, with a continuous line extending from the nose cone to the wings. In contrast, Nexus Prime has an unattractive rectangular shape without any convincing jet details. Not to mention, the rear section is not covered up, revealing his crotch.
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Primal's only seen watching two other Maximals trying to restrain Rampage to be loaded into the Axalon. As the ship's captain he was presumably just there for that rather than being involved in Rampage's creation.
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>>11698086
>Unfortunately, Swerve's new head sculpt and chest details are based on the poorly traced "Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5" screencap that was published in The Ark series books in place of an actual character model (see #Notes below), with the coloration of the made-up chest details being solely based on the Transformers.kiev.ua fan coloring that shows up instantly in a simple Google Search.
This is embarrassing, and it's been years and years of them releasing figures with mistakes like this.
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>>11698100
Somebody seriously, I mean genuinely, needs to link the correct character model archive to someone at Hasbro
https://www.allspark.com/home/threads/the-most-accurately-coloured-g1- animation-models-online.301/
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>>11698100
To be fair, The Ark is a licensed product that's supposed to be a collection of actual character models.
It's not like the team are wrong for following what is ostensibly an official source. Blame Jim Sorenson for getting it wrong.
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>>11698212
Fine I'll bite.
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>>11698212
Here's the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzWSj4wlnqM
It does say they're planning to make limb bots, but nothing about a new frame for him.
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>>11697849
Your retardation is a loud concession
I accept
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Sorry, but the damage is done. We're still pissed at Nexus Prime that it would be hard to accept at this rate. If we are getting limbs for this duck, I bet they will just be updated redesigns for the FunPub components with Shattered Glass Heatwave giving us a new frame that is compatible with this Nexus Prime and they can be interchangeable depending on your mood on what head he should be. Each limb will surely come with a piece of the Cyber Caliber (which consists of the Terminus Blade, Omni Saber, Chaos Edge, and Skyboom Shield) so that the Prime of Combination actually gets a weapon that fits his combiner aesthetics (he has his wing blasters for the standalone figure, but it's still a leftover concept from his One incarnation).
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Side note, from the video released just now, I feel skeptical that the Vector Prime they release will be the version from the cancelled Cybertron capsule line instead of the package refresh I'm promised to have. If it's a mere redeco of the original figure, then they sword and Cyber Key (the latter still getting the tampograph) will be recolored as well.
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>>11698224
"we can't show off toys from other years on product packaging"
>that's why no superion reference
>that's why no reference to future limbs
>double confirm no onslaught compatibility for anyone still thinking there was a chance
whether it's advertising laws focused on the wrong problems or just hasbro being hasbro (like "convert"), what a stupid problem to have.
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This is what they should have done:
6 pack for Nexus
Redeco/remods of CW:
Alpha Bravo as Topspin
Fireflight as Breakaway
Brawl and Landquake
Rook as Heatwave
Powerglide as Skyfall
New Combiner Wars-style torso mold as Nexus himself
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>>11698267
He would have benefitted more as a Leader, but the "no slots" thing hit him even harder if he's designed to connect to Silverbolt's booster extension (since it does not work well on a Concord). Without a combiner frame, the chest component is roughly the size of a Leader Class for scale reasons, and it sucks how Nexus got kicked downwards.
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>>11697999
that's pretty stupid, they should have called it a tankjet or a flying tank. even a sky tank would sound better. puts you in the mindset of like, SHIELD.
>>11698012
I think it's.... halfway toward being a good altmode. they just needed to study more old shmups, and make the air intake and thruster output parts A) more treamlined and B) more defined. even just giving them a slight diagonal bevel would have done wonders.
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Someone had to be the loser of this whole affair
And I guess it's better to trail with the loser than lead with it
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>>11698061
he's still complicit. Rattrap was the one who knew nothing about the mission, he was merely hired to take them there, but Primal knew the whole thing. They could have found some guy who knew nothing about it and just said 'here, bury this and don't ask about what it is'
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>>11698063
i mean the crotch is obviously trying to be a plane tail, it's just doing the goofiest job since silverbolt and airazor and tigerhawk's tails
>>11698083
calling claspers sex organs just because he uses them to separate the female's folds and get inside is like saying hands are sex organs because she might help guide you into her. I realize that isn't the point being made here, but.. I hear people saying spiders have their genitals on their faces, and like, no. They just use their little mittens to move the droplet of sperm to the lady spider's opening. so the ones with the big mittens are the males. some even have like a lil ... kinda reversible pen nib situation going on, but most are small enough that you can just carry a droplet
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>sleep in by like a half hour
>everyone wants to Keep On Glidin'
I don't doubt I'll get Powerglide easy enough later but man. Was not expecting him to be the big seller with how much everyone was going "Feh, Combiner Wars was better"
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>>11698246
The Legacy Cliffjumper is awful
Makeing it worse with poorly done purple "Dark Energon" shit would only be a mess
>New designer worked with Mark on Smokescreen
Is that why it's so dogshit?
>Doors can move
Okay?
>DLC Nexus shit
Lol
Lmao even
>WAS gonna be a leader
You'd probably would have sold him better and been able to actually do something with him design wise
>No Duocon
Ehh i'm okay with that since the last didn't even have individual modes
PotP wins again
>Liege is Alien Warship
I can see that actually
>Can sit on the throne we've thrown into like 4 releases
Lol
>Flip out cannon
I'd have to see it
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This is one of those things where I'm kinda less mad about it than I probably should be
considering the last time nexus prime was sold as a bunch of separate limbs it took like five years this does make sense
just.. thank god it's only taking two years; but it still sucks.
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>nonstop bitching about Nexus
>still immediately sells out
lol
I didn't order him but I did preorder Ratchet, Powerglide, and Smokescreen. I think they look completely fine. Smokescreen is probably the best Prime mold they've done next to Breakdown (low bar, I know) but otherwise no real complaints. I just wish Lockdown and Wreckgar weren't shitty junkion recolors that were out of scale with the rest of the Animated figures they put out.
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>>11698074
>Doing Star Convoy with no accompanying Micromasters
That I'll grant you but then you should have dozens of Siege/Earthrise Micromasters already.
>labeling him one of the 13 Primes
A total non-issue. It's literally just text on a box.
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Hearing that Nexus was planned to be Leader class but bumped down to Voyager makes me feel a bit better about the whole thing. Shows at least someone at Hasbro has their priorities right and knew it was better to sacrifice Nexus for a Leader class Liege Maximo than vice versa.
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>>11698346
They teased him in January. January 2025.
>>11698357
>A total non-issue
It has a knockback effect on the entire line, slots are taken up and ultimately Nexus was pushed to a voyager class figure.
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-The partsforming tail fin
-Shoulders
-back of the legs
-Hip pieces
Good luck, if the shoulder is yellowed, changing it with another thundercracker will be hard as hell.
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>>11698316
Did anyone here collect the original Nexus Prime when it originally came out with the Collector's Club subscription? What was it like, was there any big hype online for what was essentially just an Energon combiner redeco? Did anyone care about Nexus in the magazine comic or was it all about the toys?
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Buying new figures just gives me anxiety these last few months. I've gotten some rotten luck late, from Amazon losing my packages, being scammed on ebay, having a seller not send me one item and leave me hanging on another (they're a fucking store front so I have no clue why they're this incompetent), yellowing figures right out of the box.
I'm already getting stuff for Bruticus, but after that and Jetfire, I don't want to deal with all this bullshit.
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>>11698428
yeah that's been my biggest problem with them so far
they're such different beings, one of them is the fallen, one of them is multiple people, one is a guy that goes inside a larger guy, one is a fucking quintesson.. how does this work? they are not a cohesive group no matter how you try to spin it.
And the fact that it's so hard to do that speaks to the basic nature of Transformers: multiple incompatible toylines kludged together.
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>>11698428
>unless they're some hivemind in the lore or something
Nexus was one dude who split himself up into several smaller ones, so unlike most combiners where the individual bots came first and are unique entities unto themselves, the combined form for Nexus is the real dude and his components are all just alternate bodies controlled by one mind/personality and scattered around.
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>>11698325
So looking closer, it looks like Liege has a more normal face and the red 'teeth' are some kind of mouthguard.
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>>11698436
NTA, it's why I always preferred the G1 cartoon lore despite not growing up with it and only being used in the cartoon and japanese G1.
How do you give a race of beings cobbled together from multiple incompatible toylines a cohesive lore? They were made on demand by a race of toymakers.
How do you explain the separation of the race into two and why one side has flyers and the other is just cars? They were made on demand by a race of toymakers.
How are new transformers made? They are literally just made, on demand, like you would make a robot. That's it.
How are Primes crated? Optimus passed the Matrix to Hot Rod, and someone passed the Matrix to him before, and on and on until you arrive at the guy that was handed the Matrix from Vector Sigma.
Why do Transformers have sparks? Vector Sigma activates them or they just manifest into them.
The cartoon lore is really easy to understand. I have no idea what the comics' writers were thinking in adding stupid concepts like the Zodiacs and Primus to the lore, or what fans were thinking in reacting well to that but throwing the baby with the bathwater over Primacron.
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>>11698428
Nexus is the opposite of a typical combiner. Instead of five guys that learned to combine into one, he's one guy that learned to split into five.
His components have their own emergent personalities but Nexus is the true one. When they combine, they basically die and when Nexus splits apart they're reborn as new individuals.
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>>11698451
i think the main problem is
you've already established these things live for tens of millions of years easy, trying to make an ancient backstory that is now only legends requires, yknow, that something happened 10 generations back at least, if not 40 or 50. How the fuck much space do you think you have here
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>>11698436
>they are not a cohesive group no matter how you try to spin it.
They aren't supposed to be.
>speaks to the basic nature of Transformers
You've got your finger on it, they're supposed to be representative of all Cybertronians, and Transformers are an extremely diverse race.
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>>11698468
sure i'm just saying the timeframe is working against you. it's not impossible to make that kind of lore, but.. it's probably a bad idea. Better to have all the lore be stuff that current characters are aware of. or at least the older ones like Kup
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By the way, in case anyone missed it, there’s like 12-15 new images for everyone in this wave except for Leige, who just gets this.
Also the fancy website page only has most of them, there’s a few extras you can see over on Entertainment Earth’s listings.
https://news.tfw2005.com/2026/02/03/aotp-2026-wave-2-live-nexus-prime- liege-maximo-powerglide-swerve-and- more-555960
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>>11698450
FUUUUUUUCK why would Mark think he has a normal face and that the his horns were anything but a part of his actual head? He’s actually perfect except for the stupid head, but still, not a dealbreaker for me
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>>11698490
If I had to guess..
Commander class set with frame + one or two of the deluxe arms, either that or the frame is a partsforming robot/alt/frame pieces shtick
Reissue of nexus around that time for people that missed him
possibly even full voyager limbs? maybe? doubtful.
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>>11698317
He's horrendous compared to the original
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>>11698482
I dunno - I always assumed the red thing was actually part of his chest, sitting on his clavicle - pretty much every depiction we had of him had him looking down with his chest puffed out.
Still, I think there's no mistaking the fact that those horns are supposed to be on his head, so how the hell did they fuck up the easiest to interpret part of him?
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>>11698451
To be fair to Furman, he likely came up with the Primus origin without even knowing anything about the cartoon's Quintesson origin (these were the days before the internet, after all). I can also sort of see why he did it, the Primus origin was revealed during a big anniversary story for the UK comic, so what better way to shake things up than reveal the Transformers aren't mere robots, they're really the creations of a cosmic being created to fight Robot Satan!
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>>11698525
What if they all cost different amounts? What if two of them are perfectly identical but are still sold under different names? What if they come packed with antrax? What if you need to send proof you smashed your balls with a hammer to purchase them?
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c'mon you're not thinking like Hasbro.
so Nexus is already a voyager
two deluxes
two more voyagers
leader class for the combiner crap
spread out over the next four years and never complete because Hasbro has moved onto the next line.
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>>11698500
Bro, Transformers always had ancient lore and quasi-mystical bullshit, even before Primus was introduced back when they were Quintesson designer fuckdolls. It's intrinsic to the franchise.
The 13 just unified the concepts.
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>>11698535
I stand by my statement that it is awkward, at best, to do that kind of thing with beings who can shrug off a 65 million year nap.
super advanced alien precursors is one thing. legendary fucking jedi gandalfs is another.
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>>11698532
Expected between a certain retailer's markup and having both deluxe and voyagers. Unlikely since they have enough existing molds to avoid duplicates. Recall and big PR apology tour. Wouldn't happen since too difficult to verify.
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>legendary fucking jedi gandalfs
Literally there from the start.
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I'm reminded how everyone thought Doubledealer's head had Inferno like "horns", including his anime counterpart in Doubleclouder, and it turns out no that's only if you look at the toy front on in a picture because the brace for the missile from vehicle mode sits behind his head and lines up to give him "ears". And weirdly only Hasbro has rejected this way the head looks since every toy made of Doubledealer since then has made the head accurate to *just* the head without the rest of the kibble.
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Buy all five extra Nexus components to find out!
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>a block of robot parts with a cockpit slapped on
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except for kingdom cyclonus hasbro just did that
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This is the normal shoulder, the previous pic has the yellowed one. Pretty hard to get on camera, but in this image, the shoulder has a richer blue, while on the previous image the blue is lighter with a slight yellowish hue. If I could pop the arms off I could make a better comparison, but that while section is pinned.
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>>11698631
I don't want to defend Hasbro on this.
But Hasbro is not the only one with plastic color consistency issue.
People forget individual pieces in the transformer are actually molded all separately hence the plastic/color mixture is not 100%
Like the wings are not molded along with from the arms in the same plate. There is also the issue of the texture of plastic is not the same between different material.
Even Lego couldn't keep the same color consistent in the same box.
The only one that actually pull this off I think is with Bandai and their plastic models. going from their PR video each box used the same source of raw plastic so you won't get different plates from different batch of plastic in the same box.
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>>11698673
i have never known lego to mess up colors, aren't they super stringent?
in any case I would say a better defense is just how tiny these inconsistencies are. I mean they're nothing compared to
>painted part vs unpainted part meant to be the same color
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>Ib4 REDDIT
And this is just within this year
It is not like it is only happening now.
I remember when I putting the large Target 50% Christmas discount lego star destroyer 20 years ago there is clearly color variation with the star wars grey pieces.
The problem only get more noticeable with how Lego making more larger and larger sets than ever before.
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>>11698684
oh wow, that's pretty bad.
at least for star wars, that kinda fits the look, but this... this is not a good sign. is it mostly whites and grays? I have some 30 year old gray legos that have gone kinda yellow and don't fit great anymore but my blues are only slightly yellowed if at all.
then again this is also a weird way to do the concorde, isn't it? I'd expect a lot more.. plates. and a lot less 'elaborate stacking of many uneven parts for no particular reason'
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>>11698673
I'll be honest and say that I haven't noticed any glaring inconsistencies on most of my collection. Most of the time, if any piece is a different color, they all look the wrong color. Thundercracker is the first time I've seen this "inconsistencies" outside of yellowing figures, so I don't believe this to be common for transformers.
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>>11698537
>beings who can shrug off a 65 million year nap.
Bro this is a gross exaggeration. In G1 (both comic and cartoon), they shrugged off a FOUR million year nap. Which is still ridiculous, but nowhere near as much so as you're implying.
Second point, more modern continuities quietly downplay the immense timeframes of old. IDW2 and Skybound both make references events thousands of years ago and wars centuries long, not 9 million. So it's mostly been retconned.
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>>11698715
ah okay I had it wrong.
>retconned
well that fucking helps I suppose.
>>11698716
dude I don't fucking know.
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I got back into buying Transformers during Earthwise and have to ask was Titan Returns a good toyline? I got the Diaclon recolors of Topspin and Twintwist and really like them. Looking up reviews from that line I see everyone is a headmaster (which I like) like Arcee and Blurr and the like. Seems like a fun gimmick line although the pain doesn't look that amazing (maybe it's just because of the video reviews being 10 years old)
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>>11698809
Might be the "Sentinel Artifact Pack." It's where all the Artifacts could be placed Round Table style, modeled after the Halo of Primus.
Different topic, does anyone think Liege Maximo's alt mode looks a lot like the Thunderbird 2? Looking at it gave me flashbacks to the live-action Thunderbirds movie where the Thunderbird 2 got hijacked by the villains.
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>>11698989
*cough, cough*
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DNA just released their Upgrade Kit for Razorclaw - they've removed the Silverbolt bits, so it's a bit cheaper than the Tigerhawk version.
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>>11698661
I like the g1-nification because I can finally have characters that appeared outside g1 into a generations line instead of constant redoes of characters we already have. If you want accurate characters then there is studio series for that.
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>...he's right behind me isn't he?
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>>11698450
it's not a mouth, it's just random line detailing.
you can see it connected to the lines next to his cheeks/nose
>>11698472
good.
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>>11699068
Yes
And?
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>>11699095
Sorry, wrong powerglide pic
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>>11698480
The comic
>weird snout with an underbite
The toy
>gigachad chin with a goatee
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>>11699068
Seriously though, why is he so angry? It genuinely, amongst other things, ruins the toy for me.
Also, why in the actual fuck did they add kibble to his arms? Why isn't that red bit just part of the wings?
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>>11698212
No lol, still got the same prblm, base figure is shit looking (except the colors), esp for 42 $/€, but now still requires 3 digits dlcs that won't look good no matter what
>>11698237
The cancelled subline Vector P was a Leader Class in the leaks, the one from the last wave AOTP is a voyager in the leaks, so definitly a PR of Legashit
>>11698240
>double confirm no onslaught compatibility for anyone still thinking there was a chance
This one is dumber, as onslaught is set for this year, this summer
>>11698316
One on Energon*
Skyfall has the Energon instructions of one of his previous molds
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>>11698633
Certified Hasbro bootlicker
>>11699139
Pulse UK has preorders on either tommorow Thursday or Friday (source: InDemandToy's facebook), maybe that applies to the EU too
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>>11698482
When AI can make a better looking head you know you messed up.
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>>11699202
Honest question after looking at Heatwave there, do you folks think Nexus could be a 6 part combiner if they used Heatwave as a frame for the legs and chest piece simceb Nexus is just the torse? Would have to be a commander if they did that
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>>11698994
nobody owns inspirations.
>>11699060
that doesn't bode well for new silverbolt..
well i'm poor now anyway.
what were the ideal hands called again? MP something hands..
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>>11699249
The head truly looks better, horns are part of it and the thing that always looked like a mouthpiece is exactly that and not a chin. I wish the toy one looked like, I don't give a shit if it's AI or whatever.
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>>11699337
There were definitely signs beforehand (I know he didn’t write it, but he still directed AoE and left this scene in)
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>>11699357
Sometimes I think of rewatching the first film and then I remember the weird tonal shift of the Sector 7 chase scene acting like some PG comedy film where the kids show up the mean old adult, and the whole weirdness that comes with it
>She's a CRIMINAL, Criminals are HOT *slurp*
>Now take off your pants!
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>>11699357
>There were definitely signs beforehand
Yeah...
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>>11699261
Toy swapping should be an executable offense. Their collections can be donated to whoever got screwed by their swap.
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>>11699483
you jest but i mean
a proper society would fine people for theft, and force them to work off the debt if they can't pay. Nothing else needed, no ridiculous prison sentences, just pay what you owe plus a penalty, ranging from 50% to 400% of what you stole depending on the context.
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>>11699475
I have a feeling the swapping is gonna get even worse than before now with the raised voyager prices. This hobby is fucked.
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>>11699495
knowing Epstein or interacting with him =/= actually engaging in illegal activity.
Bay haters keep seething.
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>>11699490
You are undermining every victim of child sex crimes.
Be better.
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>>11699555
How can one anon be so based!
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>>11699517
The character in the image is a 20 year old is dating a 17 year old and, I shit you not, pulls out a laminated copy of Texas's Romeo and Juliet law to explain to her dad that it’s ok that he’s dating his underage daughter. It has also been pointed out that, no, Romeo and Juliet laws do not protect him in this case
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>>11699598
I mean, to be fair, the context is Jeffery Epstein sending Michael a bunch of stuff through FedEx, meaning they probably had some kind of working relationship
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>>11699611
Anti-Bayversefags/Redditors really are acting no different than quintesson judges right now. Nobody is ever innocent, only guilty every time.
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>>11699615
I mean, they're reeing about a scene in the fourth Transformers movie where an asshole is ragging on his daughter's fella because she's (gasp) 17.
What did you expect? They aren't even aware of the fact that that scene was trying to support their viewpoint.