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>Jimbo is that you? edition
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Because it's not cinematic. Fortunately we still have perfectly good excuses for it in FaA, because those birds were the whalers' escort and only expected, at most, to be gunning down reef clan, maybe a lone ornery young bull tulkun like what attacked the Sea Dragon in A2. No one had a clue Toruk Makto was back and had three digits in ikran riders ready to fall down on the escort.
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>before Kiri kisses Spider he's complaining about how she couldn't have gotten Eywa to make him taller and bluer
>fast forward past the 8 year timeskip
>Eywa was in fact making him taller, but not bluer
>Spider is now a random 10 foot tall jacked Nephilim capable of lifting two Ash Clan off the ground by their scrawny necks and cracking their skulls together
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Why did Jake continue to stay with the reef people when they knew the RDA were burning reef people villages to fish him out? Just move elsewhere bro. They’re closing in.
Also why didn’t the RDA continue to massacre the forest people when they didn’t know where Jake was? Either he’d come back to put a stop to it, or he wouldn’t but it wouldn’t matter, they killed all the stupid forest cunts who ruined their plans.
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Always this same weird submissive shit when dude's a fucking badass wtf
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Lo'ak's wrongs
>abandoning his unexciting duties trying to prove himself as a warrior
>recklessly toeing lines until he crosses them (usually by alerting hostiles he's peeping at)
>being a dumbass forgetting his comms
Neteyam's wrongs
>not tard wrangling his brother better because it would hurt their relationship (not a real wrong)
Spider's wrongs
>being too much of an Uncle Ruckus to use pinker weapons that would turn him into the kid group's #1 fighter
Kiri's wrongs
>thinking filthy thoughts about Spider
>taking more pleasure in total pinker death than Toruk
Tuk's wrongs
>literally nothing
>always a good, obedient daughter despite her adventurous spirit
>the one impulsive action she ever made (joining Kiri and Spider at the Spirit Tree) saved the lives of all of her family and loved ones, hundreds of Na'vi and their mounts and hundreds of Tulkun mothers and calves
>always first to hug her mama
>destined to become best girl in A4+
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Imagine Neytiri just straight up nailing you to a tree with an arrow
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>>217590125
HEY CUTIE!
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>>217590125
my beloved will protect me from the feral racist
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>>217589944
He wanted to in TWoW, Tonowari talked him out of it.
What do you think is going to happen if they start slaughtering clans? The Omaticaya are already raiding the RDA back near Hell's Gate. Bridgehead needs a constant supply of resources for its industry and has a number of independent whaling vessels, they don't want to be babysitting all that constantly with their limited number of air crews. Scoresby already avoids hunting tulkun near the clans to avoid reprisals even though they're not much of a threat.
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Why did the make Jermaine Clement put on an American accent? Is being a kiwi marine biologist unacceptable? He’s one of the good humans too so if it’s because they wanted to explicitly portray Americans as evil it doesn’t make sense.
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>>217590495
NANC NANC NANC NANC
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>>217590495
Threatened kitten
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I want avatar 4 and 5.
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>>217591188
dont we all
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>I tell you what anons, if I were in Quaritch's place I would say fuck the bullshit and those Mangkwan would be building wheels, stone houses, be out on the range every morning, learning some basic irrigation and agriculture, and Varang would be in the kitchen all day except when I'm filling her full of babies
The Mankwan seem very eager to adopt human technology, weapons especially. But I'm not sure how willing and able they are to change their society. I know their whole way of life is just one generation old, so they seem very flexible in that regard. But I don't really see these crazy psycho raiders on drugs becoming farmers and toiling in the fields. Atleast not in a few years, that's more of a generational thing.
If the human presence remains on Pandora, then I can see some na'vi tribes begin modernisation. Which might or might not actually help them in the long term. Remember that a big justification for european colonialism was supposedly to uplift the natives, but the colonists actually feared nothing more than the natives actually modernizing and becoming a capable force in their own. They tried to nip that in the bud. That's why "the five civilized tribes" in the US were genocided with the trail of tears before they became too strong. Or why early industrialization among the Maori was killed off. I'm not sure the RDA would tolerate the emergence of say a Mankwan nation state that produces its own modern weapons, lays claim to vast territories on Pandora, and starts diplomatic relations with earth governments.
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Civilized_Tribes
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>>217589944
>Also why didn’t the RDA continue to massacre the forest people when they didn’t know where Jake was? Either he’d come back to put a stop to it, or he wouldn’t but it wouldn’t matter, they killed all the stupid forest cunts who ruined their plans.
Double dubs raises a good point. I'm sure that wasn't Cameron's intention, but Jake taking his family in A2 and just running away seems like a really selfish dick move. Quarritch might have a personal vendetta against Jake, but the RDA as a whole is still in a general state of war with the Omatikaya (and their other na'vi allies). As exemplified by the train raid. The Sullys running away takes zero pressure off the forest na'vi. All it does is that the chieftain is evacuating his immediate family while leaving the rest behind to fend for themselves.
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Jake ran because the Omatikaya were no longer safe from Quaritch specifically up in the mountains, and he thought Quaritch was after him. With a choice between tracking down High Camp the hard way or pursuing the fleeing Jake Sully, he hoped to keep Quaritch away from both of them.It is a pretty flimsy premise. Jim just needed an excuse to get to the whales.
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Enjoyed 3 but the ending was just the final fight of 2 again, which was just the final fight of 1 again. They gotta do something different. They could’ve at least had them fight on a volcano or something this time.
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>>217592018
So I watched Cameron' interview with Graham Bensinger. He really was obsessed with deep sea exploration to the point that he custom builds his own craft. After the success of Titanic he took years off just to dive in trenches. Same thing after Avatar. My point is, his priorities are totally different and also his underwater obsession seems like the main reason why he did Way of Water instead of adapting High Ground. I just hope that if Cameron decides to do Avatar 4 and 5 that he focused on character interactions and concluding the character arcs that he started instead of shoehorning things that he finds fancy (whales and deep sea). Like for example: seems like Quaritch is about to switch sides after getting some Navi pussy maybe he should have a redemption arc of some sort.
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>>217589685
Navi are, in fact, cats.
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Yes
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Depends on the name of the store
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>>217589685
Jimbo, Avatar 4 fucking when!!!
I've watched FaA 4 times already.
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>>217593011
To be quite honest High Ground feels like an endgame story. Because the entire point of the story is that Jake is going to use a shuttle rigged with explosives to destroy one of the ISV Spaceships and of course it will create a space debris field around Pandora. But then again, their plan failed and it turned into a wild goose chase. So it's probably better to just rewrite the entire invasion angle. Maybe tone it down or outright just make it an expeditionary force on the other side of the continent and keep the other interesting aspects of the story like the pro-Navi humans and avatars living within Jake's territory and using Hell's Gate as a base and of course the Sulley Family dynamics.
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>>217591245
It's fine as long as they show in the sequel how loli Varang survived the volcanic explosion
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>>217595197
what an oddly specific thing to imagine
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>>217589706
>the indomitable human spirit!
>an alien savage like you couldn't understand
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>>217589685
I hope we will see more Neytiri and Spider scenes in A4.
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Hello bro(tha)
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I calculated Avatar ROI
Formula ROI = (Box Office − Budget) / Budget
Avatar
Budget: ~$237M
Box office: ~$2.92B
ROI: ~1,132%
Once-in-a-generation phenomenon. One of the most profitable films ever made.
Avatar: The Way of Water
Budget: ~$350–400M (assume ~$375M midpoint)
Box office: ~$2.32B
ROI: ~519%
Still massively profitable, but ROI dropped by more than half compared to Avatar (2009).
Avatar 3 (assumed)
Budget: ~$350M (likely similar to Avatar 2)
Box office: ~$1.5B (assumption)
ROI: ~329%
Very successful in absolute terms, but continuing decline in return .
Avatar’s box office remains massive, but each sequel earns less profit per dollar as budgets rise, showing clear diminishing returns. This mirrors the Star Wars sequel trilogy and Jurassic World, where every film still crossed $1B but delivered weaker ROI and declining enthusiasm.
The fourth one will probably earn even less. Fifth one might earn more than third and fourth, because last movie tend to do well, but not always.
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There may have been an unknown amount of overlap between the budgets, because they were filmed/captured together and then had separate stretches of post production.
But I would guess that at most it reduced their combined budgets to around $700 mil
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Honestly the true cost is probably a real mystery, but at the end of the day, its going to be a nearly $4 Billion gross for the two movies together. Hollywood accountants are going to be busy but no way they cant make that work.
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You know what? I wish Cameron just animated all of the deleted scenes in Avatar 1 like the DMT scenes, tribal dancing, the melee duel with Tsutey and some Quaritch vs Selfridge scenes. Then release it in mid 2010s. Remember A1 multiple rerelease earned a total $170+m. Imagine a complete 4 hour edition. It could earn a billion just because of the DMT scene alone. Wanna be psychonauts would watch that shit over and over again.
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I need more flashbacks of pre-rda return.
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195-200 minutes would be about where it would land with all the best deleted scenes finished. The biggest losses imo are the Dream Hunt (DMT), the festival after the hunt and Jake's fight with Tsu'tey. Also bring back Lyle's original death. The hunt and the dance festival probably woulda been an insane amount of money to finish id imagine as theyre two of the longest scenes in the entire film
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ЮThis mirrors the Star Wars sequel trilogy and Jurassic World, where every film still crossed $1B but delivered weaker ROI and declining enthusiasm. The fourth one will probably earn even less.
I think Avatar case is unique and Avatar 4 won't share the faith with JW and TROS.
Due to 13 years passing A1 should be put out of equation whe it comes to tracking the trend, and TWoW BO was inflated due to exact same 13 years. I reckon if not COVID and Russian war (A1 did 100 millons there) TWoW could actually get to 2.6-2.7billies (So, A1 numbers).
Those two are absolute unique cases created majorly on the back of A1 success and times passed.
FaA was the first sequel without any additional boost, and depends on the quality of the Avatar 4 it can easily do the same or higher numbers than FaA.
Also both Jurassic World and SW trilogies had wild quality drops between installments. I think FaA didnt drop in quality, so there won't be much of bad stigma around the sequel.
What i would even do as a marketer with A4 is to play on the "same" criticizm and offer as much new in A4 as possible. That would only boost the sales.
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>>217598695
I expect Avatar 4 could perform a bit better than Fire and Ash, because of another longer wait which builds more hype in between.
There's a likelihood that if it gets made, it also gets delayed again and arrives 5 years later or more, rather than 3 years which is the Jurassic World or Transformers release cadence
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It’s weird rewatching Avatar 1. Jake basically plays NTRman with Neytiri and Tsutey. It’s a pretty brutal ntr story at that. Tsutey goes from alpha male of his tribe to Jake’s bitch translator. And then Jake fucking kills him.
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>kills him
I'm kind of glad that was removed from the theatrical cut. It would be fine except for how Jake stands up and literally casts a shadow over him first. Could have just knifed him without doing that
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>>217599366
Tsu'tey lost his loved one (neytiri's sister) and and the one with neytiri was pretty much arranged and not in either one's best interests, emotionally speaking. Lots of background info and backstory got glossed over.
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Varang is trapped into femdom by her own power structure. Before FaA the most she can get out of a man is a warm dildo who's cowering and in awe of her the whole time. Obviously this isn't what she wanted or she wouldn't have turned into a smitten schoolgirl for the first real man who gave her an excuse to not be in control.
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This >>217599649 was A1's most glaring omission and taints Jake and Tsu'tey's mutual respect with weird cuck vibes. Tsu'tey and Neytiri never wanted each other and Tsu'tey's animosity towards Jake is based on losing the woman he loved, but the audience never gets the slightest hint of this and is left with a seeming NTR plot where Tsu'tey the Cuckold becomes Jake's fanboy once Jake gets a big enough dick (orange bird).
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Oona goona said in so many words in that guy's interview that she is looking for a husband to take pressure and responsibility off her, naturally it ended up being a human man and not a na'vi cuck
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lmao at Neytiri hanging onto Jake too
>Jake: Who wants piggyback rides?
>kids: i do i do!
>Neyney: i do i do!
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My favorite thing about 3 is that it felt like we’re fully into the world now. There’s no introduction montages for the new tribe/location. We can just get right into it. We have and know our main cast so we can continue storylines instead of starting them. Varang is a new character, but she fits in as though she was always there. Unfortunately, the ending doesn’t really deliver on this though. It feels like the plot and characters are in the same place they were at the end of 2, with the exception of Spider’s transformation and Ardmore (a nothing character) being dead.
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Jim really dropped the ball with Ardmore. After such a strong military character in Avatar 1, it was indefensibly terrible that he put in the lame Ardmore character. His story hinted that she would eventually play a large more interesting part in the plot that the audience waited years to see and he let everyone down on it.
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Look at this pathetic and dumb creature.
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>>217600904
The ending doesn't reveal enough of the immediate aftermath, probably because Quaritch needs to be "dead" until A4, but from what we've seen and knowing the concept art shows Quaritch in the mountains in his warpaint with geared up Ash Clan and human-sized RDA vehicles:
>Jake&co will be re-prioritized as a threat by the RDA
>they flee to a radically different climate, suggestive of how bad the persecution is
>the clans Jake called together have been greatly diminished
>the RDA already had a second factory ship in production and are unlikely to abandon the amrita gravy train; the RDA and tulkun + reef clans must be actively at war now
>Bridgehead likely doesn't have sea defenses capable of keeping out large tulkun, and just lost virtually their entire naval power and most of their air support; Bridgehead may or may not fall like Hell's Gate did, either between films or at the start of A4
>the RDA hammer may not come down until after the timeskip (8 years gives time for a reaction from Earth) or Jake&co could be hunted around the world during that time; maybe this is how we get glimpses of various biomes
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Jake telling quaritch that he can still change in that glass prison of his is so funny in hindsight
Yeah, he did change, it's just that he personally waltzed into the only batshit insane terrorist na'vi clan there is and got turned into the co-leader, now what jakesooly.
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Someaone should make a varaang version of this
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Biblical Imaginery
-"Eywa" = "Yahweh", a simple reversal of the abrahmic sky daddy god.
-The character name "Grace Augustine" is fully loaded with christianity. "Grace" is a specific theological state where you get right with god. Augustine was a theologian and saint.
-In the third movie, one of the Ash people pokes Quaritch in his obliques with a spear, drawing a bit of blood. This is like the Lance of Longinus for Evangelion fans, or: the holy spear.
-Varang's tight little horizontal binder is sometimes worn with a vertical stripe of paint or paints, clearly forming a cross.
-The third film specifically makes general appeals to faith and belief, especially the opening argument between Jake and Ney (and Jake really ought to know better, since he lived the proof of his god at the climax of the first film).
-In the first film, when the much larger Neytiri cradles Jake's weak human body, this pose is taken directly from the Pieta (mary cradles the dead jesus). The Michelangelo sculpture is the best known example, but it's a genre thing with other instances.
-"Tulkun". The sound of this word is suspiciously close to the jewish theological concept of "tikkun". In rough strokes, the jewish/kabbalastic notion of tikkun is: the world is broken and wrong, and various troublesome things in the world (qlippoth) obstruct our clear view of reality. Therefore, we should endeavor to repair the broken world that we inhabit.
-And then of course, the Na'vi are waging jihad against the occupying humans.
-Jake is short for Jacob
-Jacob took his brother Esau's inheritance by wearing goatskins on his arms so his father would think he was Esau
-Jake literally wears his brother's Avatar and takes his place in the program
-Jake Sully, the father of the tribe, taking his son Spyder out to kill him before changing his mind by a revelation
You can stretch it any way you like, but the abrahamist stuff is a major informer.
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>everyone scrambling for Spider's spare mask
>everyone but Neytiri, standing silently to the side
>the mask isn't where it should be, or anywhere else it could have been easily misplaced
>someone lifts a random rug in the corner, there's the mask
she really did hide it didn't she
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>>217602831
Eywa is Yahweh
Grace is Mary
Kiri is Jesus
Tuk is John the Baptist
Jake is Joseph
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If movies had to spend as much on marketing as they cost to make, and theaters took half the box office, the average movie would need to earn about ten times its creation budget to break even.
This is unsustainable and /pol/ conspiracy theories make no sense
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I'd like to see RDA frigates. Not crazy battleships or anything. Just patrol frigates for force projection
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It varies and that's for a typical film budget. Avatar costs more than twice what the average release does, but FaA seemed to have less marketing than average. TWoW was definitely higher but FaA had to be below 200mil.
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RDA on their way to utterly job
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The end battle in Avatar 1 still feels so epic and like the humans are a genuine threat that only Jake can defeat and he needs a few miracles to make it happen. In Avatar 3, it feels like a joke. His Toruk is just tossing Dragons around like nothing and not fearing any of the choppers with machine guns and missiles. The Tulkuns really shouldn't have been able to do anything against a powerful sonar equipped fleet and Cameron knows that
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOd3mvrPMvY
tl;dr the Ikrans are sort of like flying fish that became fully terrestrial at some point, they might not have the same limb structure as hexapods
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Toruk dives into the choppers at the start in both 1 and 3, and it only gets on the last Dragon in 3 after hundreds of feral ikran show up, just like how Jake flew the Toruk right over both the Valkyrie and the Dragon in A1 while the feral ikran were swarming.
You're comparing the same shit and convincing yourself it's different because you didn't actually pay attention to what you were watching, stupid pinker.
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I just realised that Na’vi probably don’t brush their teeth or wear deodorant. They also don’t have any way to correct short sightedness. They also don’t have condoms. They also probably have to bite their nails to trim them. They also don’t have toilets or toilet paper. Maybe a little civilisation for these savages isn’t so bad?
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You think it ended at carbon fiber bones and kuru monogamy? Their ancestors bio-engineered their descendants to have rot-impervious carbon fiber teeth, inoffensive body odor, perfect self-correcting vision, conception subconsciously controlled via both parents (enabled by kuru connection during sex), nails that grow very slowly past a point and robust digestive systems with very dry, clean poops.
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All of those things are not a problem for hunter gatherers and a thousand times worse after being civilized. Such as the Na'vi's teeth lasting their entire lives just fine, then rotting out of their face in a few years after humans shovel sugar rich, highly processed junk foods into everyone's diet.
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yeah nah. there are still tribes people living in our world and they look like absolute shit.
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I finally did it. I went and saw Avatar fire and Ash. I watched the original in theaters when it debuted and missed the second one. I didn't watch the second one because I was apathetic at the time, despite loving and rewatching the first one, Way of Waters departure from the forest didn't capture me like the original. I did not go to the cinema alone however. At work a new girl had been coming to the store every once in a while and she seemed to enjoy making small talk with me. She had a weird way of talking and repeated herself a lot but I assumed it was just a nervous tick or accent thing. This went on with our occasional talks for about 3 months. I had toyed around with the idea of asking her if she wanted to go somewhere but I really had no place in mind. One day she ended up telling me in passing conversation that she doesn't have her license. I asked why but she kinda skirted around it and I didn't want to push her. A few days ago I was thinking about how I could ask her out without seeming weird and I finally decided that I would see if she wanted to go watch the new Avatar movie. Perfect timing as it was about to leave my cinema and I did want to see it but the stigma of going to the movies by yourself kept me from it. The hard part was actually talking to her. I didn't know when next she would come to the store so I kinda just had to wait and hope. The next day my boss calls me and says that she needs me to cover someone tonight. I want the money so I agree. Shift goes by like normal and no sign of her the entire night. Just before I lock the door, I see her grandmas Kia pull up. I knew in my heart that there was a reason that I was called in today. On the way out I ask her if she wanted to see the movie. Success. We exchanged numbers and she does her weird repeating herself the entire time. I am ecstatic. Over the moon.
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This is the first real date I've been on in my life. We text back and forth a lot and just kinda keep small talk going in between us leading up to the next weekend, which is when I will pick her up. Day comes and everything goes off without a hitch up until I pick her up. As we are pulling out and going to a restaurant to eat before the movie she starts just dumping info on me. How old she is, who she lives with, what she does, when she works, who she spends her time with, etc. I genuinely do not mind this. Unorthodox but forthcoming. In the middle of this a niggling little thought forms in my mind however. Speaking so fast, repeating herself, her cadence. The pieces almost clicked right then and there. Right as we pull in to the parking lot she turns to me and asks if I want to know why she cant drive. A stone settles in my stomach. She hadn't brought this up for a reason surely. She told me everything but that, I turn to her and smile. I said she doesn't have to tell me if she doesn't want to but I am curious. She looked away from me for but a moment and said its embarrassing, I was about to tell her that its fine and that its not a priority that she tell me but before the words can leave my lips she interrupts. The next words out of her mouth almost made me hit the brakes while pulling into the parking spot. She said that she has a learning disability. Oh nononononono. I hadn't seen it before. Somehow everything laid before me but I couldn't piece it together. She looks normal. She acts normal. She dresses normal. It was her speech. She didn't repeat herself because she was nervous. She repeated herself because she would forget what she said moments ago and would compulsively repeat herself. I gripped the steering wheel a little hard, though I don't think she saw. What the fuck am I doing? Am I really so stupid myself that I couldn't see it before?
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She was getting out of the car and I followed her as if in a trance. For some reason I allowed her to get the door for me and let her talk to the waitress to seat us. I took a deep breath and tried to recompose my self. I realized that I hadn't really said much to her after she told me that. I went full damage control and told her that it doesn't matter and that I'm glad i could just get her out of the house. I get the conversation back on track and order the food. Take a wild guess what she ordered. I do not judge but it is exactly what you think. We eat and I kinda start understanding more of how she speaks and when she actually remembers what we are talking about. It goes by surprisingly well. She talks more about her family and I keep the convo going as the time tick by. We finish before long and an hour had already passed. The movie is about to start so I pay and we leave. As we walk in I start getting in my own head again. I wouldn't ever be rude to her but I also felt like I was being an asshole as I had no intention of continuing this type of outing again in the future due to her condition but she seemed like she was having fun. We sat down and the previews started. Cinema was empty except us when we got there but a few other couples filed in right before it started. As it began I thought back to my initial reaction.
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I was being an asshole for no reason to a girl, disabled as she may be, was letting me take her to a movie that I wanted to see. I wrapped that thought up in my head and tossed it out. The rest of the movie we laughed and had fun. Though I don't believe another outing is in our future I understood that to someone else out there, I am the disabled one that they would believe is a waste of time. I saw the Sky Na'vi. They were awesome and I enjoyed them more than the Water Na'vi. The Fire Na'vi were crazy and I think Varang was like an evil Pocahontas. The McGuffin of all the animals coming together again was kinda lame story wise, it was beautiful onscreen. Neytiri going full feral and using rpg arrows was probably my favorite part. I wish they would fuck again. Overall I loved the movie and it got me out of the house. Thanks Avatar. I would never have taken a disabled girl to the movies if not for you
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>I got a date with a cute girl who's literally too retarded to succumb to the evils of modern womanhood
>I shan't be ordering this too-juicy steak and too-buttery lobster again
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>Frutiger Aero, the Film
Cameron needs to steal from Elden Ring, get the Moons involved. More BATS. Vampire Na'vi.
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Further elaborating on my thoughts of the movie I think that they killed picrel because the memes got to them. The haircut was a bad idea. I also believe that one of the best characters was Quaritchs wing man. Comically reliable and keeps his head on straight the whole time. He is loyal to the Colonel but doesn't blindly follow him. He voices his concerns but has his back. Neytiri had her dark moments and redemption, symbolically washing the blood off her hands with the red Varang paint. I hope Quaritch and Varang stay together and he goes full terroristic native on the Sky People. Equally I hope the next movie focuses back to the Sky People and we get to see a likable human. Jake Sullys "Fuck you, I got mine" mentality is easy to see. He is morally correct in the defense of Pandora but as a Human, he is easy to hate. Traded his skin and his fellow man to play in the jungle. The afterlife scene at the end confused me a bit, I wouldnt imagine the Sea Na'vis afterlife would be some big green tree. I thought it would be the ocean or something but i guess i really don't know. Kiri as a character is really cool even though her voice throws me off. Spyder had some marvel tier lines but felt genuine regardless.
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No I don't think I'm too good for her. I just think I would not be good for her due to her disability. We had a good time if that helps you at all
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>>217607264
Broccoli boy was a named character with no development or real connections, he was always marked for death as a stakes-affirming sacrifice.
>I hope Quaritch and Varang stay together and he goes full terroristic native on the Sky People
Based on concept art leaks Quaritch is still with the RDA in A4. Selfridge was prioritizing capturing Spider so it makes sense that with Ardmore dead and the whaling fleet sunk by another native horde, he'd greenlight Quaritch's Jake+Spider hunt again.
>He is morally correct in the defense of Pandora but as a Human, he is easy to hate. Traded his skin and his fellow man to play in the jungle.
He rightfully sees the corpo-oriented oligarchy that runs humanity as a death cult that will use and kill Pandora given the chance. Can't call the little guy a race traitor for biting the hand that starves.
>I just think I would not be good for her due to her disability.
A dateless sperg who won't abuse her is probably the best she'd ever get t b h
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>>217607264
>I just think I would not be good for her due to her disability
It is a pretty big responsibility to be together with someone like that, and it's perfectly acceptable to realize it's not a burden you'd be willing to bear. I hope you clear things up with her in an amicable manner
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Complete unknown. Even if it does eventually get made, they might hold off on big announcements for a while because Jim wants to take a break from Avatar and be free from that pressure while he does another project or two
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Given the timespawn involved, we can assume that the technology behind memory/mind implants used for the recom soldiers has already reached earth. Since we can easily infer that human cloning technology is already top notch (it's what let them create avatars in the first place), it is completely feasible to assume that the ultra-rich would get themselves a few clones to either deter possible assassination attempts, or to have someone they have 100% trust in run their shit while they themselves spend their time doing high end drugs, weird technological orgies or whatever else the cyberpunk elites do to enjoy their wealth
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>countries where avatar fire and ash has surpassed avengers endgame(in dollars)
1.germany
2.austria
3.belgium
4.bulgaria
5.croatia
6.slovakia
7.slovenia
8.spain
9.france
10.hungary
11.lithuania
11.netherlands
13.poland
14.portugal
15.romania
16.serbia and montenegro
17.switzerland
Europe has officially elevate itself above goyslopeaters.
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My apologies, i watched TWOW only once
>>217610194
of course it's not immortality, but it IS a great way to consolidate power amongst yourselves, and a way to offload some of the burden of being at the top of the world in a way that is less likely to backfire
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>My own clone!
>Now neither of us will be virgins!
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>when Lo'ak gets attacked by the akula in TWoW, his ilu saves them both from its initial ambush, gets a chunk torn out of its hind fin and is then chased off by the akula
>when Lo'ak gets jumped by squiggers in FaA, he's riding an ilu with the same bite out of its hind fin, which warns him of the squiggers before they arrive, keeps them both alive in the open water and is then horrifically torn to pieces by squigger beaks
>not a single second of mourning is spared for this poor bastard ilu
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yeah the na'vi are absolute cunts to their animals. pretty sure when jake was sliding down the blimp in FaA using his knife he was literally ripping through a poor animal. these blue fucks are no better than us humans.
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>tfw no corporate qt to gift some novelty socks he'll never wear
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So, uh, how did Mo'at already know of a ritual to transfer Grace's consciousness to her Avatar, and then Jake's to his?
She must have intuited it on the spot somehow, as the only way for it to develop naturally would be some sort of body-swapping or body-stealing rejuvenation ritual, which don't seem like Great Balance-friendly goals.Either that or they're rituals passed down from Tsahiks through Eywa going back to the first Na'vi, when their technologically advanced but biologically natural ancestors transferred their consciousness through the newly established Eywa to the carbon fiber-boned, kuru-bearing bodies that would become the Na'vi.
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There are few things i'd like to see introducing in the second movie rather than third, for the sake of better feeling character arcs and pacing.
>Spider's mask issue. People say he was with Quotrich so he had no problem, but come one - they were flying around Pandora a lot. You could easily sneak mask malfunction sound in a couple of times. This issue happened in FaA and was resolved in just an hour and lead to what became the massive plot. It would have been better if it has started in TWoW.
>Selfridge and his "breathing on Pandora" schitck. It is connected to the above issue. He just showed up in FaA and brought up "How are we going to colonize it if we cant' breath" right after Spider became special, and it felt jarring, that it was only brought up now. If Selfridge showed up in TWoW and mentioned that problem, it would feel way more natural.
>Spider and Kiri being more intimate in TWoW. People whve has intuition and understanding of movie language picked up on their romantic bits in TWoW. But most people are pretty dense so they actually thought they are just a hardcore friends. Jimbo could have sneaked at least one moment at the start (before they got separated) like the one with Tulkun interrupting their obvious incoming kiss. Just made it with Ikran showing up you know.
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I think FaA got way more interest from people than A1 and TWoW.
Amount of fan art its release spawned is way bigger than what i saw for TWoW at the very least.
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So Jake is Joseph, Abraham AND Moses?!
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>I like the smell of this napalm fire, Colonel!
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>>217589685
According to Twitter this is a deleted shot of Spider getting into his Avatar. Which means Kiri X Spider is possible
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>>217604188
>If movies had to spend as much on marketing as they cost to make, and theaters took half the box office, the average movie would need to earn about ten times its creation budget to break even.
>This is unsustainable and /pol/ conspiracy theories make no sense
That depends on the budget. Movies have always been able to make money based on this model but now they're spending retarded amounts of money and the system is no longer sustainable as we now have movies grossing hundreds of millions of dollars and considered failures which is just insanity but it's just Holywood repeating history like it did in the 60's and 90's!!!FACT!!!
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>Akira's fine as it is.
I agree but you know they're trying to make a live action version but couldn't do anything to top the original Anime.
So if they insist of doing it then I'd go with a six part miniseries while Amazon and/or Netflix have the money to do it right.
Unfortunately we know they'd fuck it up with dentity politics bullshit.
Or how about 3D CGI animated adpatations?!?FACT!!!
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LMAO. Now this scene makes sense...
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True but maybe they have a new tech to hasten the growth process. Anyway. They said this is the supposed "other way" that Neytiri was hinting about. Also the original plan was to kill the human body after Spider performs the Eywa transfer ritual so RDA can't reverse engineer the adaptation. Kinda fucked up but I'd like to see this happen just for the shock value.
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>>217618965
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>>217607264
Broyou should go for it, it doesn't matter that she's retarded in fact it's a plus. All women are stupid in their own ways, being guided by emotions and peer pressure but with retarded she can't play you. Even if things go badly, you will have less regrets than if you do nothing, what ifs stay with you longer than bad memories.
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>Sullys arrive at Tonowari's village for the first time
>it's a big sticking point that they're ill-equipped to swim and don't know how to contribute, so they'll be a drain on resources
Spoiled motherfuckers pretending like they struggle living on a beach in the tropical not-Pacific. Even primitive humans have a resource abundance in that biome and humans aren't ultra-durable with flipper-arms and tails, giga lung capacity, dedicated dolphin and giant flying gar mounts and literal mother nature looking after them.
Lo'ak could probably feed that whole village singlehandedly if he spent all day fishing.
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Cameron loves his water but he messed up with the Metkayina. There should be dozens of specially adapted Na'vi if it was that easy. And they certainly would have met each other before. Jake was already friends with Tonowari.
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This would be a technical nightmare to pull off.
>Sigourney plays two characters at once and they have to be composited together
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>spider has to have kissing scenes with a 80 year old granny because james just had to hire his friend instead of casting a young up and coming actress to play the role of a young teen girl
>half the behind the scenes footage is just everyone glazing Sigourney for being able to pull off playing a teenager despite being 80+ years old
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>donate plasma frequently
>sometimes fail initial screening because pulse is slightly too high
>started reciting the Way of Water poem in my head + breathing more steadily while waiting in line
>easily pass every time
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I love how Quaritch gives Varang this annoyed exasperated "really bitch" look when she points the gun at him
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I really want an interviewer to ask Cameron about what happened with Ardmore. He seems like just the person to have a badass military woman go out fighting. Instead, she spent two whole movies just looking grumpy then died the most lame of any character.
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yeah she seems like the type to go down swinging. Can't imagine why Cameron just had her stand on the bridge like an idiot
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Imagine a plot point where Quaritch stages a mutiny and takes over Bridgehead. During the battle Varang fights Ardmore in melee combat.
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I wish Cameron kept these hooded Mangkwan in the film. Could've been executioners or zeolots.
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>show Ardmore being last out of the bridge after suiting up in a SKEL
>something on the ship goes up and it rocks from the detonation
>Ardmore staggers, SKEL slips in a pool of water from a broken bridge window
>Ardmore smashes her face into the corner of the hologram table and goes down
>two minutes later the ship goes up in the vortex
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>Avatar 4-5
>new location is the center of Pandora
>environment is properly alien instead of just rainforest
>ruins of an ancient civilization unrelated to the navi, six limbed.
>navi colonized the planet and killed the original natives
>new antagonists are the spawn of Varang
>Mangkwan scar themselves to show no fear of pain, so Varang tortures and mutilates her children to establish their place as commanders. Mouth of Sauron types.
>Neytiri licks her own arrow tip to paralyze herself and play dead, backstabs Varang but dies shortly afterwards.
>Spyder and Loak fight to the death over whether air adapted humans should assimilate or be exterminated before they can return to earth and share the tech
>Kiri sacrifices herself to merge with the planet core, becomes the avatar of Aeywa
>can now manipulate the magnetic unobtainium fields to lift the hallelujah mountains, drops them on bridgehead city
>Jake hijacks the Vanguard shuttle before it can leave to space
>Jake and Quaritch fight in space over the air technology
>RDA develops Navi sized Super AMP suits for space construction, tall and lanky instead of wide. Has boosters and lasers and shit.
>Quaritch falls and burns up in the atmosphere
>Recom Jake, given the memories from the videos in Avatar 1 and secretly trained since Avatar 2 to kill real Jake as he believes he's the real one
>fights Avatar Jake to the death.
>they both die, but it's too late, the ISV Venture Star is set to crash into earth and end the human threat once and for all
>earth life is all but obliterated
>except for a woodsprite that stowed aboard the ship
>10,000 years later, primitive Pandoran life emerges on earth
>pandoran monkey catches a bug, sees a glimmer in the sky, mars and the moon have turned into jungle planets
>wood sprites are space faring creatures that aren't native to Pandora
>ultimate goal is to seed all planets and connect them through the unobtainium neural network.
>Tuk is still chilling
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kek, i really do wonder how much completed footage was cut out from the film and how much was reshot in the final battle. BUt even besides that, the fact he wanted them to be 3+ hours at this fidelity is insane.
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Not nearly enough advertisements. They would be selling things immediately
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They can build things on-site. Just like they built all the ships
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thats not possible
and you know why
in order to build anything that consist of metal, you first have to mine the ore
after mining the ore, you then need to convert it into metal
but in order to convert the ore into metal, the machines needed to convert the ore into metal have to be built - and thats where the conundrum comes into play
how do you build something that consist of being metal, if you dont have the metal to construct it in the first place
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>"Neytiri I appreciate the gesture but I don't think the shirt is appropriate"
>"It was two for one besides it was just one group of pinkskins killing another"
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They're not what you'd expect as a sequel to the first abatap, but once you get over that they're good in their own right. Better characterization than A1 and best VFX in cinema to date.
A2 and A3 are one script split in two, with A3 finishing a lot of the plot threads introduced in A2, so if you're going to watch them, watch them back to back.
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GUYS IT'S HAPPENING!!!
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