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What is it?
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>>217741614
I lurked the last thread. I've never watched this show. When the remaster came out, I tried to watch it. I only got to like S1E7.
It's just not fun to watch. I found myself wanting to skip most scenes taking place outside the office.
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>>217741671
Sorry you got filtered, fren. s01 is mostly establishing Don's story and that puts some people off but I enjoyed it. You can try skipping ahead to later seasons where the storytelling is more balanced throughout the cast and focuses more on the office.
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>>217741679
on a similar note, what happened with Trudy and her ex-boyfriend from Boy's Life Magazine, when she tried getting Pete's short story published in it?
she seemed deeply hurt while talking about it to him in bed
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>>217741800
He tried to get her to sleep with him to get Pete's story published, she turns him down. Later she tells Pete about it and Pete is mad that she didn't do it. Subsequently he publishes the story in a kids magazine to humiliate Pete.
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>>217741822
I'm not a very smart person
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>>217741735
>s01 is mostly establishing Don's story
Don is actually the worst character. Somehow he's still compelling but he's the least interesting. Like half of his screentime is just him looking at the insanity surrounding him with a bemused expression.
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>>217741643
It's a fruit bowl. Those gaudy ones were popular at the time. You can put oranges, apples, etc on the leaf things and you can open the little tomato to store whatever random small stuff
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Kino scene coming through
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>>217741643
Wait I'm retarded. It's more of a serving tray. You put chips or whatever on the on the lettuce and you put the dipping sauce into the tomato
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>>217741957
Don is the only contemplative person in the entire show
it does make sense with his character, seeing as he is a creative talent, and he also has trouble assimilating the fact that a man like himself, who came up from poverty, is now living the life of his dreams and still unhappy
but it's also an interesting narrative element and aid for the viewer
every character in the show is just living their lives, as pretty much any person would, but Don is constantly watching and feeling his surroundings, because he's constantly feeling like a stranger in them, but also because it's a strange setting to us, watching it 60 years afterwards
so it's those moments of non-verbal contemplation that allow us to settle in within the story
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>>217742028
I don't agree with this, not fully.
Don has stated explicitly that most people around only care about what he can do for them and not about him as a person. He accepts it to some extent at work because well, it's work. He gets upset at Megan I think after they're married when she invites work people over or something to that effect. He fell out of love for Betty because she obviously only wanted a trophy husband.
tl;dr: He preferred being around people who fully understood him.
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>>217741955
You silly billy
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>>217742028
Guess wtaching the show it never really sunk in me the whole double life thing and how the weight of that was hitting him, other than that panic attack he had when he saw thought those guys at his door were G Men. Wish they showed that anxiety more that he might have to drop everything and everyone and book it again
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>>217742157
>Don has stated explicitly that most people around only care about what he can do for them and not about him as a person.
The problem is Don has no actual personality and when he DOES make a connection he's consistently horrible to them.
Faye was good for him and he ditched her in the cruelest way possible.
Arnold was a good friend and he fucked his wife.
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>>217742401
>The problem is Don has no actual personality and when he DOES make a connection he's consistently horrible to them.
That's the crux of his position. He's right about other people but he's also fucked up in his own way. That's what makes his story interesting to me. He remains messed up for so long because there's no aspect of his life where he can be real and heal (except when he visits).
A lot of modern shows tend to use the MC has the writer's insert and make it where he's this perfect character and the world is just mean to him.
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one thing that took me a while to get is the motivation between Don and Peggy's relationship
on season 1 he only promotes her to spite Pete, their bond only ever starts after he visits her in the hospital
Don is a son without a mother, and Peggy is a mother without a son
they look after eachother to give themselves the redemption nobody else could
p cool imho
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lol seeing john hamm outside of suits or his shirts his frame doesnt match his head. too small. thought hed have bigger shoulders or chest
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me and my brother's favorite episode was unironically "The Gold Violin"
we played it everytime we saw each other to start off the night because we both thought it was hilarious
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>>217742547
the blocking in this show was god tier
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>>217742890
>It's like poetry
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who here /peepin'/?
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>>217741800
>Trudy goes to the guy at the magazine company he knows to help get Pete's story published
>guy confesses that he's always been in love with her and he would do anything for her if they could just run away together
>she turns him down
>guy says the story is dogshit but doesn't want to disappoint her so he says it sort of fits in with Boys Life and he can publish it there
>Trudy goes back to Pete to tell him what happened
>Pete's response is to imply that she should have slept with him if it could have gotten the story in a more prestigious magazine
>she's pissed because this makes it clear Pete doesn't actually love or care about her and only married her for her social connections
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>>217743067
Peggy
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What did we think about this?
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>>217743235
One of the most pathetic "relationships" in the show, but very fitting for both characters
>Duck is literally only fucking her because he thinks Don is fucking her and wants to feel like he's cucking him
>Peggy is just desperate for any kind of validation
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>>217743235
peggy pretty much fucked anyone
>tried to fuck Don in episode 1
>fucked Pete on episode 1
>wanted to fuck the priest
>fucked Duck
>fucked dude Mark
>fucked Abe
>fucked Ted
>gave a handjob to some guy at the movies
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>>217742257
>Wish they showed that anxiety more that he might have to drop everything
One of my favourite moments is when Betty has figured it out and is interrogating him, and he goes to light a cigarette and drops it
And she sees from this how shaken he is and calms down
Just a nice touch
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>>217741679
because her Aunt Betty got it. its also possible they didn't actually get two. but even then you need to be careful which gifts to return because the more important the family member is the less wiggle room there is to return the gift for another item.
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>>217743382
>>wanted to fuck the priest
that subplot sucked ass
season 2 was filled with crap, between that, Betty's horses, Jane, Kurt and Smitty...
thank goodness we had based Duck to hold it together, he was the high point for the season
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>well meaning priest in mad men
>religious schizo killer in dexter
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>>217743650
I'll take her over Susanne, Sylvia or Diana
Susanne was annoying and preachy
Sylvia seemed to be always on the verge of breaking down
and Diana was just lame and depressing
Bobbi at least helped Peggy's arc
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Best girl
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Sopranos reference
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>...I don't have a captcha
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>>217743741
>Let him go. It'll take a second to find some anon who can write a shitpost about a plane scene.
>Let him throw his tantrum! The man got a ban
for three damn days, and I put this thread together! What more do you need to know?
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Is it true they did this weird plot line just to get the creators kid on the show? It went nowhere and he couldn't act for shit even when he was older.
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>>217743940
>writes son as a bathroom vouyer
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>>217743940
it was a way to portray how childish and lonely Betty was
Glen's mother also treated her like a creep, and Sally was baffled by their relationship when she grew up
the fact that the kid is the showrunner's son is probably some freudian shit
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>little mask, big guy, big plan
>shitposters see CIA and they smile, because, you know, they'd fill up the board with it if they could
>and cynephiles see it and they get this twinge of how shitty this scene is, even though they have to deal with the rest of the movie too.
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brutal mogging
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>>217744473
her feet are huge for her height
it's even more apparent in Cobra Kai
Mad Men had quite a few foot kino though
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To this day I can like but not think highly of this show because the fundamental premise is absurd, Don is a 6'2 giant dicked millionaire who fucks 10/10s and drinks all day while throwing out cool one liners and he's meant to be miserable, it's absurd.
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>>217743067
yes but not where you'd expect
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>>217745185
ok
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>best character in the show
>doesn't get a real conclusion and is forgotten despite the last seasons taking place in California
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>>217745185
That's the central mystery of the show. Tony Soprano is rich, gets to drink all day, and fucks hot bitches but he's miserable too when he should feel even better than Don because he's doing this in spite of being fat and bald.
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>>217745230
He got 3 guys to kill themselves. It's hilarious he attacks Lane for forging his signature when Don does that every single day.
It's basically the inverse of what happened with Don and Pete, Pete showed him mercy and became his truest ally and Don instead of doing the same to Lane destroyed him.
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>>217745230
When he tips off Ted's client to the true cost of Rosemary's Baby ad so they can come in for a meeting and he can make fun of Ted's infatuation with Peggy in front of them. All of the other bad shit he did he had actual motivation for doing. That one was purely out of spite and it came right after Ted had helped him out on the condition that he stop fucking with him.
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>>217745279
Pete was a merciful guy, he let that one faggot guy go too, and each time he's rewarded and improves the company, meanwhile Don just fucks thing up each time and is a cunt.
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>>217745230
breaking up with Faye over the phone was pretty fucking low after everything she did
imagine dating someone and things are starting to get more serious then they go on vacation for a week and come back married to someone else completely out of the blue
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>>217745378
he didn't call to break up with her he called to schedule a dinner to break up with her and she forced the issue
not Don's fault
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>>217745185
It's about conquering his inner game issues from childhood.
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Fuck off schizo. Make a Sopranos thread.
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>>217745279
>It's hilarious he attacks Lane for forging his signature when Don does that every single day.
Are you retarded? Would you let something mess up your financials just because you think you deserve it or something?
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>the priest
I usually find priest characters a little bit interesting because it’s a lifestyle I really have nothing to do with, so they’re interesting to see.
But narratively I don’t even see what the point was of this character or that whole thing with Peggy
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>>217741614
>/mmg/
It's /scdp/ newfag
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it's even more interesting than that, because Don was confronted by Bert, who knows of his secret
so when he asked about Don's forged signature, it wasn't just a matter of something that shouldn't be there, he was also accusing Don of doing it
if it was only a matter of money, Don would have probably saved his ass, like he'd done with Pete, when they needed to put extra money to extend the company's credit line
Lane threathened Don's identity, which is why he had to go
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>>217741614
never seen it, cause all the showrunners are women
how annoying are the feminist dog whistles?
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>>217745647
this fucking show, man...
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>>217745729
>all the showrunners are women
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>>217745647
Lane was a dumbass who could have just asked Don or even Roger for a bit of cash and they would have done it in a heartbeat. It was pure pride.
Don really did the nicest thing he could by covering for him and letting him resign with his dignity.
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that doesn't make any sense at all, nothing Bert said was suspicious of Don or Lane in the least
>>217745471
Don messes up the company finances all the time, he destroyed their giant government contract and Pete still saved his ass, he's just an ungrateful piece of shit
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Reminder it didn’t click for Don until based Stephanie called him on his bullshit. It wasn’t until then that he was willing to confront his trauma and had his breakthrough.
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>sal
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What that just made me notice though is the ENTIRE last thread no one talked about Meredith.
All of you better show her some respect.
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>>217746526
Lucy did it better.
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WHOA-OHH FAT BETTY
BAMBALAM
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Pete Campbell has Asperger's. Kartheiser gives an extremely realistic portrayal of the disease, instead of spoon-feeding it to you with absurd exaggerations like actors playing similar characters would, and you were too stupid to pick up on it. But now that you understand, you have a much better appreciating for the character. You're welcome.
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>>217747458
WATCH IT, TRUDY
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>>217746267
She mogs all of them.
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after Joan told her to explore her possibilities in the office and Don scolded Pete for his nasty advances towards her, Peggy makes a move on Don, thanking him for standing up to her and holding his hand
he rejects her, leaving her embarrassed
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do you have one but for feet?
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Anyone else just kind of appreciating these last 2 threads? I feel like a good reply size Mad Men thread hasn't happened in a long time
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>>217741679
I can’t believe that gun never came into play later on, especially just hanging in his office the entire series. I know it’s not really the type of show for a shootout or anything to happen, but at the same time, someone’s foot gets mangled by a lawn mower in the office so it wouldn’t be the craziest thing
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without all the family deaths and don refusing him he would have been happier than don and he was a janitor
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It's not exactly explicit that Pete wanted her to fuck the guy though. I went back to watch the scene, seems like more of a "you should've tried harder" than "you should've fucked him". I can't imagine Pete with all his insecurity actually willing to have his wife get fucked by some other man just to get some story published. And she didn't give any details. Even if he assumed what the guy would want, it seems likelier he'd want Trudy to lead him on rather than actually pimp her out.
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>>217748907
Look man... I'm just saying.
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>I can’t believe that gun never came into play later on, especially just hanging in his office the entire series. I know it’s not really the type of show for a shootout or anything to happen, but at the same time, someone’s foot gets mangled by a lawn mower in the office so it wouldn’t be the craziest thing
>What if we introduced Chekhov's Gun... AND NEVER FIRED IT?!
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No because it relies a lot (even if gimmicky) on the culture change around that time, a big part of the show is Don being stuck in the old ways and interacting with the new.
I think you could still make an office romance identity crisis drama, but it'd have a lot less flair.
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this. you hear these stories about some criminal just making a new identity somewhere else in the US back then.
shit like "America's Most Wanted" on tv caught some people that otherwise would've lived peacefully
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>from what Ive seen of the show Roger was the best character and Pete the worst. How accurate is that if you watch the whole thing?
Pete is a despicable weasel but he's also one of the more sympathetic characters, and he genuinely cares about Don and Peggy. Poor Betty is the worst. The most sympathetic thing about her is that it's too obvious the writers hate her.
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>its funny how they'll bend over backwards to keep don and fellate his amazing work. then he shows up late, drinks, naps, and his ad is the most obvious and boring shit you'll ever see.
It's infuriating that "I don't think of you at all" became a meme when it was actually Don coping super hard.
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That's actually a major part of the plot in S6-7. You even get that power struggle after the merger where Cutler's trying to force him out and the whole thing only goes away because they realize they're losing Chevy but McCann is also losing General Motors, leading to SC&P getting absorbed.
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He was seething about Betty at the time for bringing up Anna Draper with Sally in such a way that it'd drive a wedge between Don and Megan.
Ginsberg was just the yutz who happened to be in the firing line. Don genuinely wasn't thinking about him.
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>>217750589
clinical depression can't magically show up past puberty and it never goes away. its a brain chemistry issue that can only be mitigated. someones lifes circumstances make it better or worse but it will still be there if you have everything.
a lot of people say they 'have depression', they probably don't. they are sad, or currently feeling depressed.
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brain chemistry psychology is a meme. there's no objective diagnostic critera to establish it, you can't scan someone's brain to see that they're depressed, and nobody ever did brainscan studies or whatever to establish the diagnosis. it's just some dudes sat around and conjectured that x/y/z symptoms means you're clinically depressed. it's literally based on VIBES
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lol wut he's just a guy. a forward thinking salesman.
>Admiral Television has no interest
in becoming a colored television company.
>But they are. It seems illogical to me that they would reject an opportunity to make more money.
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idk he has a pretty good frame imo, he's like 6'1" and his shoulders aren't ultra wide but they aren't narrow either
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>>217745835
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This is exactly right.
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i goon for she
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>>217750026
Pete is the worst at the start but the show is about how people change with the times and as they get older. He has a redemption arc. Roger remains based for the entire show
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>>217750111
You can definitely have a show about people in Roger's age range coming back from the war and readjusting to civilian life.
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Put your phone down when you're watching the show. Don landed some of their biggest clients and those clients stuck around because of Don being there, even when they didn't need creatives from him.
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>>217753272
Don has said before that he categorizes people from work differently from his home life. And besides, if Lane was such a good friend he would have no problems with confronting Don directly.
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>>217743834
I missed these fucking threads
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>>217753176
You can't just say things like that and not post examples
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>Don said people don’t care about him as a person
These threads crack me up. The blindness is hilarious. Don did that to himself by lying about his identity. He’s an ad for another person and not himself in any way.
All the talk about his “contemplative expression” in these threads is hilarious too. He’s constantly terrified he’ll be found out right up to the end, when he finally decided to chill out and not give a shit any more.
And people who whoosh that finale don’t get his character arc at all. He’s a professional liar continuously hand-waving the others away from his shortfalls while also constantly seeking the approval he never got as a kid. It ain’t that hard, if you pay any attention at all.
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>>217753671
Try to pay attention instead of being a whiney faggot. It's already been elaborated on here >>217742491
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Alright, enough messing around. Get back to work.
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Nobody really has a personality. "You are what you do," but the other side of that is we are products of our environment. When Don is with Anna, he's as wonderful as wonderful can be. When Don is in New York, he has to be an ad man. Eventually it poisons his soul too much and he can't recognize the good thing that Megan is and thinks all he has is New York and being an ad man.
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>HE WAS CAUGHT WITH CHEWING GUM ON HIS PUBIS
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Why anytime I say Mad Men is my favorite show people look at me with a weird side eye? Like I'm some kind of a boring pretentious twat? The seriies has the best dialogue and one liners I've ever seen.
Also I might be secretly gay and I enjoy looking at Jon Hamm, especially in earlier seasons.
I love smoking too so I smoke like 2-3 packs on rewatching.
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Apparently Michael Gladis really regretted coming back for this and advised Bryan Batt not to do the same for a Stonewall Riots cameo. I could live without Stonewall, but Kinsey felt like he should have gotten more than whatever the hell the Hare Krishna shit was. It would have been interesting (but maybe too redundant) to see him and Ginsberg in the same office.
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>Don Draper is DB Cooper
>pic related is a serial killer
what other schizo theories did we have on /scdp/ back in the day? I don't remember
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Some people were convinced Sal was secretly gay
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>Ginsberg was just the yutz who happened to be in the firing line. Don genuinely wasn't thinking about him.
Don literally got intimidated by how good Ginsberg's snowball ad was, spent all night brainstorming the Satan ad, then left Ginsberg's ad in the cab so they wouldn't even get a chance to pick it over his. Don was seething.
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oh man, I remember now. this one was big
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"Kilroy was here"
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I like her
she's homely, but her character seems fun and smart, unlike the ditzy shallow women on the show
even women like Betty or Megan are incredibly annoying, while Peggy seems like a fun person to hang out with most of the times
I wish the show had more scenes of the creative team just fucking around
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The DB Cooper isn't that farfetched when you look at the breadcrumbs.
>pic related is a serial killer
I mean didn't he cause two deaths? Not enough to be serial but still
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Moss is good sometimes. Peggy is enjoyable in the final seasons where she's grown into her own person and she has witty people to banter with
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Try to De-Cannon this
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they've been long overdue
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>his ad is the most obvious and boring shit you'll ever see.
you're just being an autist. in-universe his work is highly successful and valuable. it doesn't look impressive to you because obviously the writers aren't actual advertising geniuses.
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Hey guys! Just your threadly reminder that Mad Men was written and produced by women and fags, for women and fags. If you like Mad Men, you are a woman or a fag! This is simply a fact. You look at a Don character the same way that women and fags look at men: their idealized version. You watch this programme because you're a faggot for the image of man. Ironically Pete is a better caricature of Men, but since you're all women and fags you spend the entire watch time staring at, admiring, pushing your face into the screen to simulate sucking the asshole of Don Draper; a character ripped directly from a 50 shades of grey tier femslop novel. In short; if you enjoy this program, you would let my big fat cock rape your throat and love every second of it. More like "Mad (for cock) Men" referring to you, the viewer. I'd like to buy the world a big fat sweaty hairy man ass, said Don and every Mad Men enjoyer.
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I started rewatching it in the last few weeks (started from season 4 because all the other seasons are boring, LMAO)
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>Sure, I would have liked some closure, a few more episodes to say goodbye to Sal. Though an open-ended thread has its perks. People can decide for themselves what they want to happen to Sal. And it's bittersweet for me, professionally. When Michael returned for his Hare Krishna moment I asked him what it was like. He told me, "Don't do it." I guess it was kind of like living the last act of Our Town or having sex with an ex. You know it's going to be great for that one time, but then it's over. You know it's over, and you can never go back.
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