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Has anyone watched Bad Girl? I'm curious if yuri stays superficial and comedic or there's more later.
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>"I'm gonna act like a bad bitch to impress this one girl I like"
>In a 4koma
Expect them to recycle the gag ad infinitum to the end of time, and depending on how long the serialisation lasts- maybe you'll get your answer in 5 years if you are lucky.
Don't believe Tooru ever got her girl in A Channel.
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>>4512896
The plot is literally a romantic comedy that turned into a romantic dodecahedron and nest of perversion, because the MC is a disaster as a person.
It has already been declared that the MC will end up paired with someone, but it hasn't been said with whom, but there are suspicions, but anything is possible.
Calling it superficial is really stupid; that applies more to series that use yuri in the laziest and most pathetic way possible, like Priccone or the bad Precure series (especially Hug, Wan, and the current Idol).
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>>4512896
It's a NTR fest, the feelings of all the girls are real but everyone loves a girl that wants to be together with a entirely different girl, only the lolis and maybe the perverted girl aren't part of that mess.
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If you knew the series you would perfectly understand that reasoning, because it makes complete sense in light of what was presented and the options themselves are quite obvious; it's not like the characters were hiding their feelings or even being subtle. The problem is that the MC is too fixated on one person to see other options.
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>>4512971
>>only the lolis and maybe the perverted girl aren't part of that mess.
Well, the lolis are even more obsessed with Atori to the point of being a cult, and the pervert would have the problem that her potential romantic interest is a perverted Siscon.
In the end, it feels as if at least 3 of the 6 characters have their own love dramas, with the other 3 being less affected in that regard
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>>4512954
That's a good thing, but people (especially in this community) need to learn to enjoy these series and stop craneing their necks like chickens just waiting for the end and ignoring everything else.
It was funny how some people were angry that others didn't appreciate the ending of Citrus and that the couple ended up together in the end, but the problem is that the journey to that ending wasn't worth it.
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Are you excited about o/u/rgirl's new movie?
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(You)
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>>4513026
Sugoi said it's a sequel, very likely the amnesia arc the anime hinted at the last episode. As for the format, it doesn't really matter much for this series, most chapters are completely disconnected from each other, the original anime adapted things out of order, skipped a lot of volumes and also changed the content of the anime to include the main Elaina.
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>>4513040
Personally, I prefer that the OP image doesn't have its own thread (I've been confused several times, thinking it was a thread about a series and it turned out to be the general thread) or even better, use original yuri images, that way it's easier to identify, although I can let it go this time if I don't want to make that stupid anon suffer who complains even more stupidly about using an image from a mostly yuri series.
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The movie format has been quite annoying lately (especially the silly people who see it as a symbol of quality). With Revue, it worked because it was the end of the anime (it was used correctly as a movie and not the nonsense that Kyoani does), but using it this way feels like a small surrender from the staff, knowing that they can't deliver a full series.
With PP it was somewhat tolerable with the episodic format that the series used with the anime, but simply horrible with GUP and its silly cliffhanger with years of difference that are resolved in an unsatisfactory way, I am still surprised at how stupidly hyped the French team is, when in general they are annoying at the best.
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I liked how ridiculously romantic it turned out to be in several aspects and with several of the characters; the only negative point was the manga series the characters worked on, frankly they didn't seem very interesting.
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Is there anything to look forward to in 2026....
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>>4513075
Waiting for threads to be almost off the board is a courtesy, and not a hard rule despite what Korra tourists want you to believe
It was also not something that was always followed in early EARLY /u/ as people simply didn’t care back then, but over time, it just made more sense to wait
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>>4513074
I am currently casting my death spell to sacrifice everyone in this thread (except me) to heal Ito. If successful, Shamiko and Momo will be married by the end of the year. So there's that for your ghost to look forward to!
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Still waiting on yuri hub plus to translate the following chapters of namaniku's works...
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I like this author so much. Her oneshot in the pampering anthology looks so good, the story seems fun too although I can only understand superficially at my level.
I also got into Yuni lately. Her style is fun tho I do wanna slaughter her bisexual characters. The ones where they're both lesbians are the best. Scummy characters are fun now and again.
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>I Must Become the Hero's Bride
This?
https://mangadex.org/title/1c57856e-eb2d-4bd8-942c-e7aa76db7ccb/yuusha -goroshi-no-hanayome
The only other one that showed up was a cancelled het manga.
>I Must Become the Demon King's Bride
Can you post a link? I can't find it.
>The Villainess' Bride
That's the one with the wolf girl, right? Already following it.
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The anime about clothes laundry has the typical mc who is flirty with her tomboy costurmer
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>This?
Yes, that one.
>Can you post a link? I can't find it.
https://mangadex.org/title/7bae4d21-b237-4bfd-9960-65e6e6314b10/kousha ku-reijou-no-kouraku-mission-maou-t o-no-seiryaku-kekkon-ga-jinrui-saig o-no-kirifuda-desu-tte
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Please be Gokumon Nadeshiko
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I was wondering why she looked so familiar.
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>>4513281
It's possible though I would say it's very likely Sugoi would not leak it as a yuri series since he usually only does this for stuff that is very explicitly promoted as yuri, for example bad girl was just leaked as a comedy.
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What is HibiMeshi doing?
A drama CD is with the final volume of the BD.
And it has a different pairing than all the key visuals that have been dropping.
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I just want something that isn't a part 1 of 2 where the other half of the story never arrives for once. My long term goal is to save up enough money to try and buy my way into producing yuri so I can finally see a complete story reach its satisfying conclusion. Unless a perfect story was cooking in the back of my mind I can't imagine it would turn out well trying to get all of that crafted effectively on my own. My yuributa bank is about half of the way full so maybe if shit doesn't go sideways I'll be confident enough to start reaching towards this dream in the next few years. I'm surprised there aren't at least one or two other millionaires who aren't dreaming of doing the same thing.
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With social media and crowd funding, that possibility is more reachable than ever.
That Thai (or Vietnam? Combodia?) animation about the lesbian chef and mermaid is pretty close to wrapping up production I believe? And that's all from crowdfunding. Same with Hazbin Hotel. I know that particular group behind them had a slightly more storied history but it's ultimately something that had its roots in independent production before becoming what it is today.
You just gotta....believe, and pay up, and...pay up some more.
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>>4513414
>the lesbian chef and mermaid is pretty close to wrapping up production I believe?
It's Filipino if you can believe that
Hell yea! I hope when it does it festival run I can see it at my local international film festival
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>>4513408
Shopping around to other countries for an indie studio to reduce cost has been on my mind but jp animation studios already use korean animators half the time anyway so I'm not sure how much it would save in the end. I was planning on targeting an obscure yuri manga that ran in a small magazine, not an ichijinsha property that would likely have much more legal scrutiny on production rights. Although I imagine if I fronted the cash to those bigger publishers would make the rest of the process much easier since I'd effectively just be giving them money for free to do something they may have already been in the process of starting.
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Getting a successful crowdfunding campaign as a no-name is its own challenge but it is an interesting idea. Hiring a random studio to make a 30 second high quality teaser in the hopes that it piques some interest isn't cheap though and it would be hard to get back enough to even offset that cost. Something to think of though. If I could find a good studio offering $10k/minute then it could be a fun way to dip my toes in.
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>>4513428
First, the two terms are not even comparable or even remotely similar.
>> Is it just bait is teases without confirmation of actually being lesbians
No, the bait can almost touch the text or remain faint, but it always has to end in Het in one way or another, even denying the existence of yuri, even if it doesn't make sense.
>>while subtext is official confirmation of lesbians but no progress?
No, it's simply implicit yuri within the story, basically written between the lines; it's not open to free interpretation, it only has one interpretation and it depends on the intelligence of the viewer/reader to be able to see it.
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>>4513479
Kinda, what you are writing about subtext is true from the perspective of who writes it unless they write with the concept of the reader having multiple interpretations of course. But what we call subtext is our interpretation we assume it's the intended interpretation, but an author can write something that looks like subtext without intention and an author call also write something meant to be subtext but is unable to properly convey it to the audience, so ultimately we don't really know what is on the author's head, but it's often the most logical reasoning.
Sometimes the author tells us what was are their intentions and we know for sure how we should interpreted it, the hero's killer braid author said back then the publisher basically forced him to write an story open to interpretation because they told him yuri novels didn't sell or won award, which ironically changed as he saw the explosion of the yuri LN market with some yuri LNs reached big sales and getting awards, so he said he wrote his story as a yuri story but as subtext.
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>Shopping around to other countries for an indie studio to reduce cost has been on my mind but jp animation studios already use korean animators half the time anyway so I'm not sure how much it would save in the end
Oh no I mean if I want to have I Love Amy fully animated it would be by Korean animators. It just so happens to be that the Korean Wuan is dirt cheap. I'd also do it for alter ego if Spain wasn't tied to the euro
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The problem is that many idiots not only use bait stupidly, they have no idea what it means and use it either to refer to series they don't like or simply to shipptease.
It's no different from the level of mental retardation of considering looking at the camera, dildos, or open endings to be "Het."
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Speaking of fantasy yuri, there are so many series that I haven't heard of in years.
The one about the maid who can conjure trash.
The one about the gamer drawn inside a game and reborn as an elf.
The one about the assassin who becomes a princess' bodyguard.
I dunno if they got axed or if the scanlators lost interest.
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>The one about the maid who can conjure trash
No clue what the one is
>The one about the gamer drawn inside a game and reborn as an elf
The manga had such shitty art and felt rushed as hell, wouldn't be surprised if it got axed, but it hasn't been "years" since it got an update
>The one about the assassin who becomes a princess' bodyguard
If you're talking about Hitokiri, then it's been getting regular updates basically every month.
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>No clue what the one is
MAIDes, about a maid who has the power to conjure "trash" from around her, and when she uses this power in a battlefield, she scores a girlfriend who got dumped by her party. Just checked and last translated chapter is from 1 year ago.
>Hitokiri
No, not that one. It was about a girl who was trained in the desert by her father who is a legendary mercenary, and then enters a school to protect a princess or something like that. For this one it's been actual years since I've heard of it.
>felt rushed as hell
I think it paced itself a lot better than most series of its kind. Then again, I probably read it all in one go, so I don't quite remember how many chapters it spawned.
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>>4513616
Bad Girl, if at least I'm lucky, come on, it's the best option for everyone.
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>>4513609
I know the series you are talking about, there just have not been new translations, it sucks but seems like fantasy yuri series are just more likely to get dropped as most yuri translator would rather translate romances and fantasy translator would rather translate generic male MC
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>>4513635
It helps that the two of them really have good chemistry together, especially with Atori clearly attracted to Suzu.
Atori's reactions to the dakimakuras part are pure gold, ranging from total satisfaction to real shock.
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>>4513247
I hate these pages. EN twitter is horrible at hiding spoilers. I try to block every single one of them. JP users are usually mindful of these types of things whereas shitty EN users type like obnoxious little kids and post every single little thing.
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>>4513247
The time has come and so have I. Kaori, lend me your power!
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>It was about a girl who was trained in the desert by her father who is a legendary mercenary, and then enters a school to protect a princess or something like that.
Saikyou no Youhei Shoujo no Gakuen Seikatsu
https://mangadex.org/title/84cb83ad-b03f-4db3-b9d1-52244edb085f/saikyo u-no-youhei-shoujo-no-gakuen-seikat su
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https://twitter.com/okome103/status/2008419683389870216
Reprint and 300k copies reached.
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Took me a second to realize she was talking about Aurelia being a girl instead of gay.
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>>4513706
The concept might not work properly in an original/conventional series, but if you apply the same childishness that many shipper fic writers have used for years, with infidelity stories where the canon (het) couple we don't like is pervertedly destroyed by a superior (yuri) couple or something like that, I feel it's the only way to make the concept work.
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Rinne is for Perseus.
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Rinne will NEVER make this kind of expression for Perseus.
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>>4513863
The best way to put it is that it's shonen fun, it's very edgy, very gory, the villains are all crazy or assholes, if you enjoy battle shonen you will likely enjoy it too, though the manga isn't a good adaptation.
As for the yuri, it's a slow burn but the protagonists are very gay for each other from the go and when it develops it's very satisfactory because it had a good build up to it, there are 4 yuri couples, the protagonists, two oneeloli ones, one explicit and the the other subtext and a more one-sided yandere pervert one.
There is also a lot of content not related to yuri or focusing on other characters who are either guys or in relationships with guys and this happens naturally as the cast expands, like I said very similar to battle shonen where everyone has their own fights and motivations.
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I haven't given up yet
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Shimsim :D
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If you're not into battle storiews with RPG-mechanics in a vaguely fantasy setting, you probably won't like it just because there's yuri in it. It's not really good enough to "transcend" that genre of story but if you like the genre itself, you'll probably like it.
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Manga and anime adaptions when?
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That's a shame. Another stupid idea I got after scrolling through random pictures is
>badass looking alt girl wearing heavy metal paraphernalia who is sometimes covered with rope burns, scratch and bite marks of unknown origin
>prim and proper delicate looking lady wearing cute frilly skirts and dresses who definitely doesn't have anything to do with that... right?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfDXqY-V0EY
Was going down an indie animation rabbit hole and ended up stumbling on an amazing animated music video that somehow even had some surprise /u/. I always feel extra lucky when browsing random things and somehow still finding yuri out in the wild without even trying.
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The ones I usually find are niche, untagged, and often undiscovered as far as /u/ exposure like this. This is a rare one where it has 17mil views but hasn't reached /u/ yet. I've seen some people make playlists of live action /u/ music videos and stuff but never animated ones. I'm sure someone has done it but it wouldn't be comprehensive.
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Stardust telepathy, Yuri seijin naoko-san and there was that series about girls who i think met an alien or something and started laying eggs but I may be misremembering. None that spring to mind that aren't humanoid though. I guess there's that western comic by hushabye but I don't think it ever went anywhere.
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We are not sure about Stardust anymore, last chapters are putting in question the whole thing, though Yuu is likely not human so maybe it would still count as an alien lifeform, maybe not outside of planet alien though
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>>4514179Yuu is having flashbacks that put into question if she is really an alien, meanwhile there is a new girl but apparently she can't see Yuu at all and everyone else just sounds like schizos to her, Yuu also found on the beach the itens she said she kept inside her ufo inside a toy ufo.
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Dynasty sucks and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
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I can't believe how bad the Omae Gotoki anime looks compared to Shokei Shoujo or even to Hikikomari, the pacing was as fast as the YoriHima parts in Sasakoi and it even has a voiced narrator explaining things about the character feelings and about the city, even the OP looks cheap so at least I hope they allocated the budget to more important plot points or this can become /u/'s OPM S3
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The pacing was decent, personally I would have skipped the credits and Flum looking at the stats of the wolf monsters and getting scared, not because of the numbers.
The animation is cheap, but on the other side it has actual gore rather than generic blood explosions, so you can see some impact on the violence. Late night anime usually does not have good OPs and EDs as there isn't much of a point.
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First episode looking bad is a death sentence.
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Idk how low it's the standard for het fantasy/isekai but having a narrator telling things to the audience it's a very big red flag for me, outside of wacky comedies, mostly when they describe the feelings of the characters.
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Today it's been 10 years since the Koukaku no Pandora anime aired.
What's the best way today to read the whole manga? I already have the earlier volumes.
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KimiShinu will save anime.
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>>4514296
See for example Hunter X Hunter, they even replaced the translator for the characters talking early on in both adaptations but it sounded so weird they kept the narrator the last arc. And yes the narrator describes how the characters are feeling.
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I never watched HxH, I usually don't watch yaoi with shota.
And talking about those things. Wasn't the better animated scenes of the Omae Gotoki trailer the onee-loli scenes? Maybe that's where most of the budget went.
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No no no, there is yaoi with adults too and one of the characters doesn't need to but he still dress like a woman and puts make up, just like your usual shonen jump manga.
Nagrass seems well draw, not sure about Sarah.
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>English release still has five volumes to go and they're only released twice a year so it won't end until mid-2028
There goes my plan to read it all over break.
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>watch animated movie
>tertiary character is a young girl (child)
>cute female teacher introduces herself to said girl
>immediate thought is shipping it
I might be, as the zoomers say, actually cooked, /u/.
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>people on the ground trying to destroy the lab after what looked like a lab leak
>help alien escape to earth
>female horniness to alien species might have doomed humanity
Kinda remind me of a show(not anime) that I just finished watching where a romance novelist horniness to an alien doomed the earth. Only until she finds out they were trying to assimilate her as well she only turned against them. Not going to mention it since the show isn't remotely /u/ related.
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Her uniform is pink! PINK! I'm just mad the cat is dead, alien just absorbed her genetic code or something like that. Lesbians keep committing crimes IN SPACE!
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Pretty good but I would stay out of the /a/ thread since people are just posting spoilers left and right. I've skimmed through the spoilers and confirmed that all of the girls in the show are lesbians with one being a love triangle.
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There is also Ottile and Henriette but we only have pics of Ottile being horny over Henriette
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>Too young
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>>4514469
Considering what anon said, unless it's BL it's probably not making the author cash, also don't trick yourself, unless you are a big author you are not making much more money, as contracts get a lot more unfair the higher you go unless you reach the point you hold the leverage.
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/u/ don’t sell, because the audience is men. Yaoi sells like hotcakes because women tend to not be as frugal as men when it comes to spending on useless shit. This is why that gay Hockey show is currently the hottest show on TV.
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Uh huh, all those best selling (non yuri) titles with large male demographics who are totally the definition of useless shit, and don't bring western shit to the yuri board anon, you can talk about those on /lgbt if you want.
Yuri doesn't sell as much because it's a niche genre that started 25 years ago.
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>cursed weapons get reversed
>mummy girl is cute
These are the only positives of episode 1
Everything else is really subpar. I get people are often cunts in these settings but do they all have to be mustache twirling villains evil
Like the moment that Dein dude appeared you knew he was going to trick them into a high level mission.
Will still keep watching since there’s nothing else and I’ve stuck with a series for less before
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>>4514729
I still think Misaki will win DA MIKOTO BOWL!!!!
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>>4514729
>Raildex is still going
>an ecchi scene is proof of anything, let alone yuri
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>>4514743
It remains irrelevant, Kuroko is nothing more than a joke that stopped mattering even when the "trope" was relevant, those 2 bitches can only and will only think about Touma, they were literally created only for that.
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>>4514806
Why even bother, yes it's definitely not yuri and every argument for it will be in bad faith, but it's not futa, it's not onimai or similar, so yeah whatever that anon retardation is just sad but I will take two girls looking at the screen at this point.
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Raildex is one of those series that is so awful that writing your own fanfiction about it and pretending it's canonical would be genuinely better than experiencing it first hand.
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>>4514833
That's no joke, I was reading the novels and I just couldn't continue reading, the amount of stupidity in this series is too much and the pathetic way the light novels are written doesn't help in that sense.
>>4514813
We currently have more and better things, so there's really no justification for continuing to pretend that anything related to Index is even worthwhile; even something as pathetic as Mono is preferable to a series that can't stop overvaluing its male protagonists.
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>>4514852
Basically, especially when it pretends that Kuroko is even relevant.
Although the funny thing about this series in general is that they've stopped caring about Index and are betting on Railgun instead, which is the one that's going to have a new season, even though before Railgun and Index came out almost at the same time. Something even funnier is that the best episodes were the ones with original content that wasn't in the manga, because you know, the ones that adapted the manga most faithfully had Touma at the center.
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>>4514854
For some reason the Index creator doesn't like Touma that much and willing to do more Railgun stories than to hold off Touma and Index. His work on Mikoto,Misaki and other Index girls are carrying this franchise hard.
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Read this first
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/graffiti
Then the sequel
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/no_title_4
I love yuri.
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>slave owner tries to kill the ex-hero because she apparently has no value on the market despite being a fucking hero, and because he got 'cheated' in the deal despite being told up front she has zero stats
>just has a legendary cursed sword in the jail cell for shits and giggles
>somehow nobody figured out the MCs power despite it having "reverse" in its fucking name. i know you're not just going to equip a random cursed item, but they never thought to experiment with some equipment that has a stat tradeoff?
i completely forgot how contrived the first arc of this series was.
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>>4514859
>slave owner tries to kill the ex-hero because she apparently has no value on the market despite being a fucking hero, and because he got 'cheated' in the deal despite being told up front she has zero stats
Anon no one is going to believe one of the heroes has only zeros in the stats, he only believed because it was jean selling to him, he says himself he got scammed.
>just has a legendary cursed sword in the jail cell for shits and giggles
Yes, because cursed equipment is literally useless and only for show for everyone else
>somehow nobody figured out the MCs power despite it having "reverse" in its fucking name. i know you're not just going to equip a random cursed item, but they never thought to experiment with some equipment that has a stat tradeoff?
Only cursed equipment reduce stats, though it's hinted Maria may have had an idea because she never casted healing magic on Flum as it would have killed her.
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>>4514874
>Anon no one is going to believe one of the heroes has only zeros in the stats
she's unarmed and the heroes party is famous. She has an entire village that celebrated her departure and been to a good chunk of the world during her adventure. Theres also scan magic and such so you can check
>he says himself he got scammed
already mentioned that in my post. he was told she had all zeroes from the get-go by the hero that sold her to him
>because cursed equipment is literally useless and only for show for everyone else
yes, and a cursed sword that melts (heals) was in the cell with the one person in the world that can use it, because he thought it would be funny to see them grab it in desperation. there's a word for that, it's called "contrived". Just because there's context to it, doesn't make it less contrived. It's like locking Popeye in a jail cell full of spinach, because the police chief is a spinach farmer
>only cursed items reduce stats
yes, and her ability is LITERALLY called "reverse". theres other ways to experiment with that, like the aforementioned healing, or using a less life threatening cursed item. You're part of THE HEROES party, it should not be too much to ask to spend more than 5 seconds experimenting on of the CHOSEN HEROES ability. also was it explicitly mentioned that there are no other items that reduce stats? it's an RPG, there has to be tradeoff min-max equipment like "+50str, -5SPD" or some high attack weapon that reduces accuracy/crit
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>>4514880
No one is using scan on slaves anon, again it's the difference of Jean the hero selling you another hero and the fat slave guy trying to con you this girl is Flum Apricot.
Anon, there is not a single fictional story ever produced which will survive the scrutiny of it's own premise, fate, impossible odds, incredible coincidences, it's all meant to create scenarios that will grab the attention, even your most basic romance premise does not survive this.
>yes, and her ability is LITERALLY called "reverse". theres other ways to experiment with that, like the aforementioned healing, or using a less life threatening cursed item. You're part of THE HEROES party, it should not be too much to ask to spend more than 5 seconds experimenting on of the CHOSEN HEROES ability.
Anon, they are not really interested in testing someone with zero in all stats, with the exception of Maria they all had no reason to believe healing wouldn't work the same, they don't carry cursed itens around and they are not using the 15yr as a guinea pig.
>also was it explicitly mentioned that there are no other items that reduce stats? it's an RPG, there has to be tradeoff min-max equipment like "+50str, -5SPD" or some high attack weapon that reduces accuracy/crit
I just never seen it, also considering basic stuff like the adventurer rank is made of a sum of the stats, seems counter intuitive.
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>why is she okay with having sex with a hot babe?
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>>4514690
I like this and versions of it too.
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>Has a 10/10 cutie lusting for her
>chooses to fuck the literal robot instead
What did akane meant by this?
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>another yuri anime not on SubsPlease
Why is it always the only anime of the season worth watching they're missing?
And why do people still realease in AVC? Not only HEVC, now we have full support for AV1 too and VVC is the next in line, but 99% of the releases are still AVC with uselessly bloated filesizes.
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>>4514856
>For some reason [person or group of people] don't like [generic male MC]
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>>4513247
https://x.com/SugoiLITE/status/2010039165468192910#m
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>>4514985
See you soon, Kaori.
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>>4515060
How can any life count when there's no Vampeerz anime?
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>>4515063
If we would get a Vampeerz anime, it would probably end at chapter 28 (when Aria saves Ichika), unless they ruin the pacing and rush through it.
That would mean it wouldn't even reach the Khara/Yanyan chapters, which are some of the best in the manga.
I am coping of course, I would still absolutely love for it to get an anime.
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>>4515159
Family yuri always bring me back to the old school yuri.
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>>4515221
How can I have enough time to read all the new yuri that comes out every day while also re-reading all the old yuri that already was made?
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>>4515312
>leaker knows about a anime adaptation even before the author of the original manga
It will happen again, right? Well I just hope we will know wich other yuri manga will get a anime before he's forced to private his xitter account again.
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At the insistence of my gf I watched Shuumatsu no Izetta for the first time this weekend.
What is /u/'s opinion of this anime? I honestly thought it was good, and I thought it was pretty similar to some recent shows in that they are considered yuri even though they didn't TECHNICALLY kiss or do anything explicit on camera but like... it's pretty fuckin clear
I liked the story, liked that it had a (mostly) happy ending and of course I loved the music. Only real downside was the animation which was shoddy at times. Not sure what's all there to complain about
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>>4515397
It's been a long time since I watched it but I have good feeling left from it. The ending was a bit sad because it seems she is disabled in some way but it is good that they're together.
It does feel dated now tho with all the explicit stuff we're getting I doubt I'd be motivated to watch it again.
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>>4515402
>with all the explicit stuff we're getting
Seems to me that each anime season is as barren as ever, though I guess one of the couple options we get is more often a yuri manga adaptation now.
I'd still take Izetta over almost anything that aired in the latest years though, but I guess that's not saying much considering.
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>>4515428
Isn't the reason why Izetta and all these other more recent anime are gay as fuck but have no onscreen kiss or anything that could be considered explicit, that if that happens then the anime gets automatically categorized as Yuri/GL in Japan? Which producers are afraid of because they think it's gonna make them lose a portion of their audience?
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>>4515432
>all these other more recent anime are gay as fuck but have no onscreen kiss
It's not a recent trend by any means, and if you check the catalogues you'll realize the amount hasn't really increased much since Izetta aired.
>producers are afraid of because they think it's gonna make them lose a portion of their audience
That's most likely the case.
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>>4515397
I found the series itself mediocre even as I loved the main couple. MagiRevo had the same problem.
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All this about old anime and manga is making me want to revisit even more of the things that started me up the path to this lifelong love of yuri. Hyakko and Ichigo marshmallow just jumped into my memories so I think I'll watch those next. What else helped spark your passion for yuri?
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So, I'm looking for a one shot manga. It was about a gloomy girl at a school who's trying to be a witch, and there's a gyaru girl who's secret is that she's an actual witch. When gyaru girl finds the gloomy girl's little witch book that had like an actual demon summoning circle in it, she burned it and explained she was an actual witch.
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>>4515506
I'd say pretty much none, this leaker has no reason to lie, the author might, but it's also very much possible he's really still unaware of it.
Simply put, this leaker is by far the most reliable source on the matter.
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Maybe Sugoi is doing the 'throw darts at a target, take out the darts that missed, pretend the ones that hit were the only shots you took' thing. Can't be wrong if you predict everything and one of the predictions turned out to be right and delete the wrong ones.
>>4515515
So reliable not even the author knew?
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>>4515521
>Can't be wrong if you predict everything and one of the predictions turned out to be right and delete the wrong ones.
You're making it obvious you have no awareness of the track record of that leaker, you don't accurately leak a hundred anime per year by shooting in the dark, and no he doesn't delete either, there's a reason why he's this trusted: he's earned it.
This is how he replied to the supposed debunk by the way:
https://xcancel.com/SugoiLITE/status/2010298158413459944#m
>So reliable not even the author knew?
Assuming the author is even being honest about this, which unlike the leaker we have no track record of, the same thing has already happened before.
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>>4515516
>Two girls who already know each other but don't know the other's gay
This must have covered 99% of yuri stories back in the day because being openly gay from page 1 was rare even in outright yuri series. Anyway read this for fun
https://dynasty-scans.com/series/out_of_the_blue
>blind date
I can't think of any stories right now about an MC who is intentionally setting up dates with girls she doesn't know. It isn't that interesting of a setup on its own without some sort of twist. Mixer culture really makes normal dating stories feel like they are not as common as well.
https://dynasty-scans.com/series/about_a_college_girl_who_gets_picked_ up_at_a_mixer_by_an_older_girl
>gay place
Sometimes they pass through gay bars but none that I can think of where they go to a gay bar and meet the love interest. Just like blind dates it is kind of a bland setup for a story without a twist. I want to read this again though and it takes place in a gay place so
https://dynasty-scans.com/series/cirque_arachne
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>>4515534
The simplest reason is that this leaker has a source from the publisher's budget approval before anyone downstream would be involved in the discussion. Authors wouldn't be consulting on any business decisions at that level. Then the publisher starts allocating cash and planning out the production at which point the author would be signing paperwork and getting to provide input. Authors aren't really that involved with their publishing companies besides submitting their manuscripts to their editors.
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Or the leaker IS in the publisher's budget approval team.
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>I thought it was pretty similar to some recent shows
My pet theory is that Witch From Mercury clearly takes its ending from Izetta.
Okouchi (WfM writer) and Yoshino (Izetta writer) are pals and back when Izetta aired, Okouchi wrote for Princess Principal. Both are show about two girls with flying power helps Princess in a country at war (a cold war in Princess Principal case). Both girls uses secret power that was seeked by the enemy faction and has to keep it secret. I have a feeling both were brainstorming together at the time and comes up with similar general idea.
But Okouchi wasn't the one who wrote Princess Princpal ending. I think in his original ending, The Duke of Normandy is going to amass a huge amount of Cavorite to destroy the Republic once and for all while use it to depose the queen so he can be the king. Ange then has to use Cavorite she has to destroy all Cavorite in his possession. The explosion would crippled her, but it will also expose Duke of Normandy's plot and the conflict between Kingdom and Republic will be frozen, so Ange can lives happily ever after with Charlotte in far away place. We know Ange has bought a house in Morocco for her and Princess.
This would match Izetta's ending (Izetta is crippled after destroying all mana from the world, but she lives happily with Princess).
But that ending is to definitive for Bandai, so they decline and hire other writer to make new ending.
Okouchi clearly unsatisfied with this, so the next time he is able to write a story to its end, he uses the ending he and Yoshino brainstormed together.
There are just too many similarities between WfM and Izetta ending for it to be a coincidence in my eye.
Also like, all 3 has MC names that use tt (Izetta, Charlotte (Ange's real name), Suletta) while the love interest name end with E (Fine, Ange (Charlotte's real name), Miorinne).
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>>4515761
>I don't think they will return to Seisho
after the last movie aired, the staff said in an interview that the story of the seisho girls wasn't over, or something to that effect
since the visual novel took place in-between, i'm expecting they're going to continue the story in this new project, which is probably another movie
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>>yuribaiting
Don't use words that you clearly have no fucking idea what they mean.
It's worse when you read a bunch of retards on other parts of the internet, also using that term without knowing what it means either.
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>>4515839
NTA but the meaning you're referring to is just a way it's commonly used on this board specifically, it's not incorrect to use "X-baiting" in english for something that's teased but not delivered, yuri included.
I think "queerbaiting" is commonplace in the context of movies for example.
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>>4515843
That's just shipptease, there's no need to use another term to pretend it's something else. Nobody uses hetbait or even yaoibait, especially since there are some truly outstanding examples of the latter. But it's still just plain old shipptease. Even the Pokemon staff admitted (since AG) to using shipptease intentionally, including yuri and yaoi (nobody calls that bait).
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>>4515846
>That's just shipptease
It's fine to call it whatever you want as long as it's english and the meaning is clear.
I looked up queerbaiting, the first result says:
>Queerbaiting is a marketing technique for fiction and entertainment in which creators hint at, but do not depict, same-sex romance
Seems like you could easily say the same about revue starlight, there's nothing misleading about the word "bait", it doesn't necessarily imply "switch" in english if that's what bothers you.
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>>4515865
>>Queerbaiting
The problem, and if we're talking about Revue Starlight, is that this would be completely wrong, especially if you've even seen the anime, since no relationship is denied or treated in a way that could be considered any kind of bait (which is wrong). With the movie, you'd have to have been asleep the whole time to pretend there was any kind of bait, especially since the movie not only makes the characters' feelings clear, but simply guides them toward following their respective dreams. At no point does it say that they'll never see each other again, or that they're going to marry a man, or that they're in a relationship with a man, or that they're chasing after a widower and going to another country, or that they're wearing a hair accessory related to a man. Even the credits only show or make it clear that there will be a reunion.
So it's not just that the wrong term is being used, but that it's being used incorrectly and doesn't correspond to the series in question.
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>>4515868
>relationship is denied
>they'll never see each other again
>they're going to marry a man
>they're in a relationship with a man
>they're chasing after a widower and going to another country
>they're wearing a hair accessory related to a man
Again, "bait" doesn't necessarily imply any of those things in english, you are the one who's under a misunderstanding here.
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>>4515869
If you need that, it means you didn't pay attention to absolutely anything that happened in the real series or in the game, for that matter.
>>4515872
Then that conflicts with the definition you brought:
>>creators hint at, but do not depict, same-sex romance
>>same-sex romance
This happens, and literally the plot of the Revue Starlight movie regarding the main characters, Karen and Hikari (not KuroMaya as many want to pretend), in short and easy to understand, gay things happen, the characters act gay among and with them, it is not a romance series but it is implemented within the narrative.
Where's the bait?
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>>4515875
>same-sex romance
>This happens
I mean, come on anon, I love starlight as much as anyone, but you can tell the difference in how the same-sex stuff is handled between it and something like mahoako, right?
That's the different between subtext and maintext, we're all too familiar with it by now.
As you said before, you could call it teasing, and it's in that sense that "bait" is also used, that's all there is to it.
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>>4515973
It feels just as, or even more, childish than when an otaku gets angry when their favorite idol or voice actress gets married and they act as if it were some kind of "betrayal".
There's something many need to understand: authors are human beings, not perfect or immaculate. They can have different tastes. It's perfectly normal for an author known for yuri to like het or yaoi. If they decide to work in different genres, that's also normal. The same applies to ordinary artists; they aren't your friends either. None of you have the right to judge other people's lives. If they aren't doing anything illegal that actually harms others, then there's nothing wrong with it.
I seriously believe that there are still people upset about the author of Yagakimi; apparently, no one has the right to have options.
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It also reminds me of what happened with Hinako Note, the series that people here couldn't care less about. Even when the anime came out, there was no real interest in it. It ended, and nobody cared. The series didn't do a good job with yuri either, so it's understandable. But to then claim there was some kind of betrayal or that the author deserves hatred is absurd. The only criticism I have is that she draws terrible nipples, the pubic hair is also awful, and her hentai in general isn't really enjoyable.
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>>4515976
March always said Hinako Note wasn't yuri and people have said she didn't touch her yuri series on the fanbox, which honestly is evidence that even March understands that trash like you are not part of the yuri audience and she doesn't want to be hated by actual yuri fans, which again is not you.
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>>4515974
What a heap of nonsense, I can judge whomever I like.
A work by someone who is truly passionate about yuri deserves respect and consideration; if that same person then turns around and starts writing grotesque het after pretending to be part of the greater yuri community for so long then all that respects vanishes and yes, that is a betrayal, Nakatani absolutely deserves to be shat on.
If you treat yuri as a business and dabble on all sorts of niches from the start then fine, that person wasn't one of us from the gecko but their work can still have value.
Sure, sometimes people delude themselves about authors, and just talking about BL on Twitter is not a betrayal of any kind, but you trying to defend that PoS set me off.
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>>4515978
No, my problem with Hinako Note is, as I said, nobody cared at the time, and now that the author pretends she knows how to make hentai (no, she doesn't), then suddenly everyone cares. If she said it wasn't yuri, then we should care even less about what she does with her series. Doing that, I suppose, is the easy way to make money with paywalls.
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>>4515983
>>I can judge whomever I like.
You must have a big ego and moral superiority then.
>>If you treat yuri as a business
Is it because it's a business? How do you think people who make or work not only in yuri but in entertainment in general make a living? We're not talking about self-published doujins, even those have to be sold, because doujin authors admit they make popular crap because they need it to sell well.
>>Nakatani absolutely deserves to be shat on.
Why? Give me a genuine reason, because if we were talking about someone who used yuri as a stepping stone and now pretends not to care and openly despises their fans, then I would agree with you.
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You had no reason to bring up Hinako Note or even go out of your way to say the only thing you think she did wrong was draw it badly for your tastes, other artists have done the same thing she did and just for having more exposure in the mainstream they got fucked and hate over it, deservedly so for being retarded humans like you who don't understand people have spend money and time while being emotionally attached to those franchises, if you can't understand this then you shouldn't be on this board or even on this site. This has nothing to do with Nikumaru saying he wants to draw a BL story which isn't even that surprising considering his het manga that just finished had a gay character who was in love with the protagonist. Though I fully agree with anon, some authors play the yurifag card only when it's relevant to them, but they are not really willing to place their bets on yuri at all and would definitely stop doing yuri if paid enough. Not sure if I would say Nakatani is an example of this since technically she was the one invited by the publisher to do a yuri story, but then going out of her way to say her work isn't yuri with a ridiculous argument really felt like it was business move.
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>>4515878
When something is teased, expectations are typically raised that such a thing will happen, but if it doesn't go beyond teasing and it's all left up in the air, those expectations are betrayed, so you were baited into getting something different from what you were led to believe it would be; it's one way to use the word at least.
I can infer that you never expected anything beyond teasing, that was wise of you, but the point of teasing is usually to lure in people who are after the thing being teased, not after the teasing itself.
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>>4516026
Is Dog Days hetbait?
How about the million other het romcoms and haremshits that go absolutely nowhere in their anime and only confirms anything in the source?
Is SAO harembait because it teases a harem for Kirito even after he gets with Asuna early on?
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It's hilarious people rightfully shat on Bamco for playing the "not yuri" "up to interpretation" card for WfM, but these same people will make 1000 excues for Nakatani when she plays the same "not yuri" card for YagaKimi
Just feels hypocritical, you know?.
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>>4516041
I'm not familiar with any of those examples, but if they have something equivalent to the subtext in revue starlight, then it's not incorrect in english to label it as bait.
We're doing nothing but argue semantics here.
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>>4515537
>https://dynasty-scans.com/series/cirque_arachne
Just finished this. It was so good albeit short. I can't believe Yuri Hime of all places lets good things like this in sometimes. Thanks for the recommendation!
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>>4516043
Isn't that precisely one of the arguments agaisnt Bamco? That there's no other interpretation for SuleMio other than romantic married couple and thus trying to play the "up to interpretation" card is nonsensical? Should be an argument against Nakatani as well
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>>4516044
And yet nobody sane uses the terms "harembait" or "hetbait" for those
We're argung semantics because you just want to defend the use of yuribait or queerbait where it doesn't apply based on autisitc "well acshually" overly literal arguments.
Meanwhile, since you care so much about people outside here: You get gachashit that goes nowhere and will never go anywhere like Star Rail or Genshin called yuri (not bait, just yuri) and people throwing death threats if you disagree. So seems this isn't the only place where bait is defined as a switch to straight relationships instead of merely teasing/subtext
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I'm not aware of Nakatani saying YagaKimi "wasn't yuri" and given how contrarian most anons are towards her I'm taking that with a mountain of salt but I also very much doubt there are 1000 arguments agreeing with that point of view and this wouldn't even be hypocritical unless you could prove they were the same people somehow holding the opinion GWitch is yuri and YagaKimi isn't. Which I dare you to find even 1 example of.
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>>4516050
What's hypocritical isn't people saying one is yuri and the other isn't, retard
It's people who agree both are yuri but defend Nakatani making statement while shitting on Bamco for doing the same shit Nakatani did
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>>4516049
Anon, you're arguing in circles, I've simply addressed your criticism of using the word "bait" with an entirely accurate meaning.
Whether people typically use the word or not in any context is irrelevant to this argument, which is just, as I said before, a matter of semantics.
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>>4516057
nta but as far as I'm aware what Nakatani actually said was some more nuanced personal perspective that was along the lines of her expressing that when she set out to write YagaKimi she didn't ever conceive of it as "writing a manga in the yuri genre", rather she was first and foremost just writing a romance story and it happened to be two girls. It was not at all like the WfM situation, she never suggested that it wasn't gay or even that it wasn't functionally yuri, just that she had not individually been in the headspace of "I'm a yuri author making a yuri manga".
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>>4516059
>no one uses it that way
If that was true we wouldn't be having this argument in the first place.
>your autistic idea of bait
It's what the word means...
>Subtext/shiptest =/= bait
Look, I get that you like revue starlight and yuri subtext, and guess what, so do I, in fact a lot of the time I find myself liking subtext anime more than maintext ones, much to the disdain of some anons here.
But if somebody calls subtext "yuribaiting" then I understand immediately what he's talking about, he's lamenting that despite all the teasing no maintext yuri ever came of it, which is an undeniable fact.
Words serve to communicate notions, and in this case the notion was communicated effectively, there is nothing misleading in the statement you've been criticizing, and whether you feel the same way or not is an entirely different matter, one where I would probably agree with you on.
So there's no reason to drag this on any further.
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>>4516067
Here, I found the actual thing three separate relevant answer parts from an interview
https://www.excite.co.jp/news/article/E1574724767124/
ちょうど百合漫画で1本描きたいとは考えていたのですが、別に商業連載を考えていたわけではなくて。(同人誌即売会の)コミティアとかで出す同人誌で 1本描いてみようと思っていただけなんです。私が漫画を描くと、キャラとキ ャラの関係や感情の話になるのですが、当時、私が描いていてたのは東方Pr ojectの二次創作で、ほとんど女の子キャラしか出てこないジャンルだっ たから、自動的に女の子と女の子の話になっていたんです(笑)。周りからは 「百合を描く人」と思われていたみたいですが、自分の感覚としては、人間関 係の話をこのジャンルで描いていただけ。あまり百合を意識したことはありま せんでした。
>I was thinking about drawing a yuri manga, but I wasn't thinking of serializing it commercially. I just wanted to draw one for a doujinshi to be published at Comitia (a doujinshi sales event). When I draw manga, it's about the relationships and emotions between characters, but at the time, I was drawing fan fiction for the Touhou Project , a genre that almost exclusively featured female characters, so it automatically became a story about girls and girls (laughs). People around me seemed to think of me as "someone who draws yuri," but to me, I just drew stories about human relationships in this genre. I never really thought about yuri.
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(on how the idea of YagaKimi's story started)
>私の記憶がすでに曖昧になっているところもあって、どの時点のことだったかは、記憶がはっきりしていないんですけれど。とにかく、百合漫画だという ことだけが先に決まっていたので、じゃあ、百合というジャンルの何が面白い んだろうとか、百合を構成する要素ってなんだろうみたいなことから突き詰め ていきました。例えば、編集さんと「百合って言えば、秘密の恋だよね」みた いな話もして。秘密というのは物語を面白くする要素ですよね。百合って、女 の子同士の恋だから秘密にしないといけないみたいな構造の話も多いのですが 、そうではなくて、この二人だから秘密にしなきゃいけないんだという関係に できないかを考えたんです。例えば、主人公の侑がいけないことをしているよ うな気持ちになるのも、女の子同士だからではなく、侑は燈子に対して、好き という本当の気持ちを伝えることができず、嘘を付いているから。そういう形 で、百合の持つ面白さに含まれる「女の子同士だから」という要素を、「この 二人だから」という要素に置き換えていき、侑と燈子の二人の話が生まれまし た。
>My memory is a bit hazy, so I'm not sure exactly when it was. Anyway, it was decided that it was a yuri manga, so I started by thinking about what's so interesting about the yuri genre and what elements make it up. For example, my editor and I had a conversation about how, "When you think of yuri, it's about secret love, right?" Secrets are what make a story interesting. In many yuri stories, the structure is that it has to be kept secret because it's a love between two girls, but instead, I wondered if I could create a relationship where it has to be kept secret because it's these two. For example, the reason why the main character, Yuu, feels like she's doing something wrong isn't because she's a girl, but because she can't tell Touko how she really feels, and so she lies to her. In this way, the fun of yuri, which is that it's between two girls , was replaced with the element of "because it's just these two," and the story of Yuu and Touko was born.
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>>4516073
(on thinking about yuri)
最初のとっかかりでは、百合について、すごく考えていた気がします。でも、そのあたりは、私以上に担当さんの方が理屈から入る感じだったかもしれませ ん。実際、話が動き出してしまったら、私はそこまでジャンルを意識すること はなかったです。
>I feel like you were really thinking about yuri when you first started. But maybe my editor was more logical about it than I was. In fact, once the story started moving, I wasn't that conscious of the genre.
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>>4516074
So, she never denies yuri, is the thing
More like she was playing with expectations and elements at first and then she didn't think much about the genre or what might be expected. But she never went "not yuri". Then, there's the touhou thing where it's like "writing relationships in a setting focused on girls like Touhou will naturally lead to yuri" instead of denying anythig
Now I see the difference.
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>>4516071
>playing mental gymnastics to justify the same shitty shit Bamco did
No, you moron. Bamco tried to downplay the romance of a pairing by saying "it was up to interpretation". Nakatani never once did anything but say that it was a romance story about two girls, she has just never really thought of herself as a yuri author and, as you can read above, basically ended up doing romance doujins that were yuri because they were touhou and nearly every touhou character is a female.
Then when she was approached about doing "a yuri manga" she wasn't all that interested in following the standard approaches of the yuri genre (i.e. "b-but we're both girls") and instead wanted to to do something about two characters themselves rather than some more classic yuri story, and as she worked on it she didn't think much about yuri as a genre.
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>>4516076
That's different that what people were claiming about "denying yuri"/"saying her works aren't yuri".
What she said is something like she didn't want to be shackled down by expected cliches or end up writing something generic and cliched and so shifted her mindset to avoid falling in that trap which is different that what I was getting told "she said it's not yuri". She never denies yuri
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>>4516068
>Calling something bait is saying it went full het
That's your misunderstanding, as explained before, multiple times...
Just because the word is often used with that nuance in here doesn't mean its english meanings have changed, nor should you expect people to stop using it with different nuances, that's never going to happen either way.
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>>4516079
No. Kill yourself autist. Your arguments are retarded and wrong. Explain all the gachatards insisting shit that will never leave tease territory like Genshin or Umamusume is yuri. Not bait, yuri
Explain bait being seen as a negative term that means "not actually yuri. Malicious. Het". Seriously, outside here you will get called ultra incel who wants all the girls to be straight if you don't call Genshin yuri and dare call it bait
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>>4516090
Now you're debating the semantics of the word "yuri", which is known to be ambivalently employed, some think it refers strictly to maintext, others go as far as including mere fanservice, and all things in-between; all that is known to cause a huge number of entirely pointless arguments in here.
I can agree that this could all be avoided with a better choice of words, it would be much more clear if everybody just sticked to unambiguous terms like "maintext" and "subtext", but that won't happen, so the smart thing to do instead of lashing out at anyone who thinks of it differently and achieving nothing at all, is to just deal with it and take in the message, which is usually clear anyway.
Then you can argue all you want about whether the contents are good or not, explicit or not, etc..., but arguing semantics over and over won't serve any purpose whatsoever, you aren't exalting or demeaning whatever series you are discussing by fighting over the application of the label "yuri" to it, you're just disagreeing on the meaning of the label itself, while both you and the opponent probably completely agree over what the actual content of the series is about.
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>>4516078
Come on, people can't read, that's the main problem here. They make assumptions too strongly, they don't understand what was really meant, and then you have a lot of people angry about something they never understood. The bad thing is that they make sure they understand things, when reality says the opposite.
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>>4516099
The problem is that most of those arguments come from people who hate or refuse to watch anything that isn't yuri, when it's not that complex. If a series is yuri and classified as yuri, then it's a yuri series. When we talk about elements like subtext or shipptease, we're talking about a series with yuri, which can also apply to a secondary or side yuri pairing in a basically het work (like Horizon, which is one of those light novels with 1000 pages each). I remember on a Japanese forum that this was called gashi yuri.
The general problem with its definition or use of bait is that it's a division or element of het, not yuri. Yuri can encompass many things, but bait and the fanservice you see in a series with girls touching each other in a bath or hot spring, and those same girls are in love with a man, even when you have a Tomoyo, the girl in love with another girl, but that girl is only interested in one man and the series makes it clear how superior the guy is, then that's not yuri either.
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>>4516107
>The general problem with its definition or use of bait is that it's a division or element of het, not yuri.
I'm not too sure I understood your sentence, but if you're suggesting "bait" would inherently refer to het elements in this context, that's not the case.
Being baited in any context simply means being lured in by something, but then finding out it wasn't what you were led to believe; what it actually was doesn't necessarily have to be the exact opposite of what it appeared, nor a complete denial of it, and it doesn't even have to be unpleasant or worse in any way.
Those are all connotations that can absolutely be there, but even when they aren't it can still be called baiting.
Being about yuri or not has no bearing on this, it's the meaning of the term itself.
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>>4516113
Under that excuse, the anime adaptations of Yuru Camp and One Punch Man in their first season are bait, since they sold these series under a different idea than what they actually were, and later seasons made that clear.
which would make even less sense applying that to the yuri examples used during the dabte, since none of those examples had any pretensions of attracting with one thing and coming out with something completely different.
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>>4516115
>none of those examples had any pretensions of attracting with one thing
Well there is obviously a matter of proportion to it, I'm not familiar with one punch man but I think it's fair if you want to argue that yuru camp never actually baited lesbian relationships, it just portrayed an especially close friendship.
But personally I think revue starlight definitely went there though, there were no less than four blatantly subtexty pairs of girls, especially Kaoruko and Futaba who acted pretty much like lovers in several instances, then Hikari/Karen had that sequence were they looked like they were about to kiss in the movie, etc...
All that contributes to the impression that there was deliberate baiting going on, and Bushiroad is well known for capitalizing on this stuff, they're open about it themselves.
I don't remember if other examples were made.
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https://x.com/nekotarou0721/status/2011002902996009367
https://x.com/genkai_olsan/status/2011000271808434633
They are being weirdly defensive about Sugoi's leak.
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>>4516122
>unconfirmed information
>unofficial information
Well well, the tone has already changed from the information being false.
Judging by the emphasis they're putting on reassuring on the need for the author's consensus to the adaptation, my guess is that the author reacted instinctively with a lie before, and now after discussing it with the more business-savvy editors, they're doing damage control.
I'm guessing this might delay the announcement a bit though, since it'd be weird to do it immediately after this performance.
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>>4516128
Pretty much, they told Nekotaro to deny the leak but didn't expect she would actually engage and when people pointed out the leaker is always right, Nekotaro had to find some reasoning to deny it and the best she could do is say the publisher wouldn't go over her, which of course would start unnecessary arguments if they are planning to announce the anime soon.
But I doubt they would delay anything, if the anime already has a schedule in place then they have to start the marketing in time.
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>>4516128
The author has no motivation or need to lie at the publisher's behalf. They retain the rights to their creation and everything they said so far sounds truthful. The publisher may know more than they are sharing but even that is no reason to demonize anyone in this. The leaker just fucked with the timeline by making people think there is "one entity" that greenlights anime when there are actually many moving pieces that need to be agreed on before it is safe to announce that it is actually happening. The leaker may know that the production team was assembled, or a budget was approved, but that doesn't mean the author agreed to work on it or that an animation studio was contacted to schedule the work.
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>>4516133
>if the anime already has a schedule in place then they have to start the marketing in time
Makes sense, but if the announcement was supposed to come soon I don't think the author would still be keeping up the denial so fervently:
https://xcancel.com/nekotarou0721/status/2011005748621558199#m
https://xcancel.com/nekotarou0721/status/2011010593386610980#m
I think they agreed that in order to keep up appearances and not admit to the lying/unawareness of the author, they'll act as if at the time of the leak there were no plans yet, which would only look believable if the announcement isn't before at least 6 months or something.
>that is no reason to demonize anyone
That's not what I'm doing, the author lying in this case would be in good faith, if only a bit naive, nothing more.
She does have rules to follow and her career depends on it, unlike the leaker, whose actions are obviously morally questionable, but I'm still glad he does it.
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>>4516141
>She didn't thought much of it, thinking it was a joke, trolling or disinformation
It's also possible that she knew it was true, but since it was confidential information she naively thought she was supposed to deny it or play dumb, and maybe even expected that would make the rumor die down and solve the problem for everyone, rather than creating a bigger one.
It's not the type of issue that a manga artist would face very often, and not everyone spends a ton of time on the internet, seeing shit like this go down all the time.
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>>4516133
>they told the author to reply to a tweet and give it even more visibility
That's retarded. It's obvious the author fucked up. She didn't think much of it, believing it was a joke, trolling or disinformation and didn't want to disappoint the fans so she denied it out of her own will without checking with her editor.
Now they're afraid of the backlash because they make decisions without the author knowing and they're trying to damage control.
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>>4516140
Publishers have a hard time dealing with western antics, leaking stuff in public like Sugoi and 500 hollywood leakers do is something that would never happen in their culture, so they don't really understand things like the streisand effect. To me this is honestly a case of the producers telling Nekotaro to say something because they don't want their reveal plans ruined and Nekotaro having no experience to deal with was asked from her and instead just digging her own hole. I don't think they really have to think any excuses, the people following Nekotaro are her fans and fans of the work, they will be happy it will get animated, no one will be worried if Nekotaro lied.
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>>4516121
By "yuru camp" I don't mean bait in that sense, I mean (like OPM) that S1 sold us a completely different kind of series than what the real product was. S1 was supposed to be that kind of story where a new girl changes another girl's life for the better, but it turned out that wasn't the case and the girl's life remained basically the same, only with motorcycles and tourism as the focus and not so much the relationship that S1 emphasized.
Then the Mono anime showed that the bad writing, lack of focus on the initial premise, and focus on tourism was not an accident.
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>>4516159
Apparently, the director of S1 had a more "deep" vision for the series, besides burning money, which is why nobody wanted to touch the series because they knew they couldn't live up to expectations, which ended up happening and I can swear there are paranoid people who think anime is in crisis (just because of OPM), even though more than half of the last season looked pretty good, including the potion anime made by 4 people.
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>>4516164
I doubt it, that leaker was in problems last year because he also leaked a anime adaptation before the manga author was notified about it, so they're either too incompetent to know about it or they just let Nekotarou deal with the leak alone.
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>>4516167
Is anime in crisis? Not in the sense the industry makes a lot of money, but the global economy is fucked and everyone is taking shortcuts and shueshia learned that taking shorcuts with a franchise that sells millions worldwide is probably a retarded idea.
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>>4516175
They could also be the same idiots who said anime was going to die because K-on was successful and popular (and Index wasn't). How many years have passed and these people move a lot of money in like 4 industries that the West is struggling to avoid drowning right now?
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How come Takemiya Jin only knows how to draw like 3 characters, then reuses them in every story? Long wavy hair, bob cut, and short hair+glasses makes up like 90% of her repertoire
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>>4516175
Anim has been in a crises for over 10 years, because of several factors, like badly paid animators, retarded BD pricing and exploitation of both creators and fans alike. Every year more anime are released and the industry cannot keep up without outsourcing to random studios in Korea and China that are cheap and quick, but souless mercs.
Chink "anime" is just terrible CG fests too, so nothing good comes from there either.
Unironically Arcane season 2 was a better "anime" than most high budget anime of the last year. That's pretty embarrassing for Japan.
Though we still got some gems like WataNare by a completely new studio that actually gives a fuck.
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>>4516377
They are, but whether they can is another question, small and even medium tier mangaka all have jobs and may not have the time to practice and so artists draw what they know they can draw well and fast enough to keep up with the schedule, if you are unsatisfied with this you can contact the mangaka and pay her a monthly salary so she can practice and draw whatever you want.
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>>4516371
I understand those problems that can be considered real and not what a handful of tourists pretend, but as someone who watches 28 series per season, the panorama is quite decent at its worst, and there are only a few that can be considered real garbage in terms of production or content, and I'm referring to the popular ones. I'm not kidding when I say that anime made by 4 people looked better than Sanda.
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The Urapi writer can see yuri in the Sicario OST but tribadism can't be a personality?
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>yuri kiss in chapter one
Damn, shonen jump sports manga is a lot different than i remember
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>>4516487
You are objectively wrong. There isnt even any room to argue this time. You are just blatantly wrong on a fundamental level because you are trying too hard to be contrarian.
Anybody who has amy meaningful understanding of animation would laugh at you.
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>>4516591
At no point did I say that I liked or cared about all 28, it just helps me realize the terrible sense of taste most people have and how wrong many people's criteria are.
With 28 series, yuri in general is simply superior, but unlike others, that amount gives me real grounds to assert that.
But I bet you'll be completely absent and silent when people start claiming how super yuri Mealist S2 and Frieren S2 are, while at the same time completely ignoring the yuri series of the season.
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>>4516603
>terrible sense of taste most people have
Says the person allegedly watching everything every season. If you can't tell if something will be good or bad by the premise or summary alone, and in some cases even by the title, you're in problems most severe
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>Alcman’s Partheneia or ‘maiden song’ was among the earliest documents discovered to express homoerotic sentiments between women. This was performed as choral hymns by young women in Sparta, and the piece was probably commissioned by the state to be performed publicly.
>Alcman’s poem has a verse where the younger choral girls admire their older choral leaders who invoke admiration and also inspire these erotic sentiments. The women describe the way that eros for their choral leaders has taken over their bodies.
>"By limb-loosening desire she looks at me more meltingly than sleep or death... Ah! If she should come closer and take my tender hand, I would become hers."
Need Spartan senpai/kōhai yuri ASAP
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>>4516646
>He doesn't sound like an ESL
You haven't read his earlier posts (circa 2018-2022), which were quite obviously written in Spanish and then ran through Google Translate. I guess AI translators made him more intelligible, but he's still identifiable as an ESL because of the total abscence of common English expressions and the generally low level of eloquence and literacy in display.
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>>4516621
First of all, episode 28 is barely half the season, not the whole season. And second, no matter what many might want to pretend, a synopsis or title is not really an indicator of the quality of anything, especially when everyone completely overlooked something like Hotel Inhumans, which had a really good yuri couple in the last 4 episodes.
>>4516646
As I said, you'll be completely silent and absent when those people appear (even more obvious when you ignore that it's happened before) and not just with those 2 series, but with other popular series as well, and you have no problem pretending that something is yuri and being territorial about it and treating others like idiots for thinking differently than them.
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>>4516662
>a synopsis or title is not really an indicator of the quality of anything
If I see '[name], a (high school) boy" in the summary or "ore no" in the title I know for a fact that series is shit and I don't need to see a single second of it.
Odd that you need to watch the whole series to arrive at that same conclusion. Why is that?
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>>4516686
Because I prefer to have a real understanding of why something is good or bad, not just accept things too harshly, as most people do who ignore or demonize anything that is or has yuri based on the same criteria you propose, because that's how it happens.
That's why you have people outside the internet pretending that Watanare is a generic rom-com just like the het ones, when the reality is that's not the case. Here, the characters and relationships are important. In het rom-coms, they're nothing more than waifu series worse than any gacha game, but with a stale "romance" pulled out of the author's ass. But based on the synopsis and title, they're the same crap.
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>>4516584
The trailer was excellent so I'm excited to see how the full thing turns out. Kickstarter was for $400,000 so this is a good test case to see how polished an indie yuri animation can be and how much screentime you can get for nearly half a million.
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>>4516704
Nothing you say here makes any sense, you absolute autistic schizoid. You just admitted you don't dislike watching hetshit and think quality is not connected to whether something has yuri. Leave this board, go back to /a/. Nobody here has to watch hetshit or male protagonist anime to get to the fucking conclusion that it isn't worthwhile. Only yuri matters on this board and watching anything but makes you an outsider.
Imagine complaining about how bad het romcoms are and then watching 10 of them every season. Your brainworm has already devoured too much of what little grey matter you used to have.
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Yeah no, I can see it now. Definitely an ESL.
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>image contains a male
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>>4516865
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>>4516650
>>circa 2018-2022
That date is hilarious and drops your mask of hypocrisy.
I've been an active user on /u/ since 2013. I was there when Robinho prophesied the fall of Precure with Hetcharge (he wasn't wrong). I was one of the few who actually cared about Genei Taiyo back then, even when there were some hopes with Fantasista Doll (not much, honestly) with Prisma Illya surviving and getting worse at the same time. I used to argue with Shin because that idiot refused to accept that Aikatsu Star sucked.
The only thing that happened in 2018 was the arrival and appearance of a handful of waifufags pretending they cared about yuri, mainly those pieces of shit from Gridman and Franxx, but be careful telling them they were wrong, it was hours of walls of text from them justifying the presence of their waifus on a yuri board.
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>>4516889
I considered Robinho the anti-Mugino, since while Mugino tried to see yuri where it didn't exist or the wrong pairings, Robinho was pessimistic and annoying in that sense. Shin was an idiot with an inflated ego; he managed to make nobody even consider Aikatsu in general, despite there being good things in the franchise.
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>>4516892
It's the novels with less monologues, though if you don't like them you are probably a bad person anyway.
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>>4516894
Wait a minute, something's not right with that scene. Shimamura clearly has her shirt unbuttoned, but when she turns around after showing her shoulders, the shirt is apparently buttoned up again. Sorry, I want my yuri to make sense.
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>>4516894
I love it.
Only gripes i have are that Adachi doesn't have her dogs out in the gym, and they changed it to Adachi walking in on Shimamura and deciding to stay, which i think is out of character for Adachi in the beginning
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This show actually has a few cool ideas, but regrettably has less budget than a flea market stall.
And while I know it's still early, I still dont see why this needed to chase the trend of having all the "game" elements instead of just being a normal ass fantasy setting
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Yes absolutely. When is it coming out actually?
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I had to read youtube comments to find out because their website doesn't mention it that I could find. Gets released to youtube later this summer but I didn't see a specific date. It is under 15 minutes so it cost about $25k per minute which is on the higher end especially for indie productions which explains why the production value is so clean. The voice acting for the trailer was shockingly cool for an english/tagalog mix too. I don't expect the actress can use that tone for the entire thing but it really has me excited to see what they can pull off.
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Dang that’s quite far
And I didn’t just mean the animation, the trailer flowed super well and really captured the kind of suspense and emotions that (I think) the story is trying to show. It’s the kind of movie or game trailers that make you wanna rewatch.
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OH and while I’m hyped (again) for this, I’m really expecting a romantic bad end here with the chef being the one that dies somehow because 1) the freakin studio name and 2) it makes sense narratively given that mermaids are treated as sushi in this setting so it’s only fair someone atones
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>late night
Weird because it's one of the shows that gets released as early as possible in the west. I don't really remember when was the last time that I was capable to watch a yuri anime subbed by 12:30 in my (-4) time zone.
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I remember when the DB Super thing happened, it was also mentioned that time is important for an anime to turn out well, so it's more a sum of several factors: trained personnel, time to do a good job, money to make that possible, and that the producer and higher-ups aren't selfish and greedy sons of bitches.
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>>Momentary Lily
Frankly, Momentary Lily looked pretty good by the studio's standards and was watchable, even during fights (this also applies to the giant cat series), but if we're talking about HS, K, W's or that crap with the girl with glasses, it was simply an unpleasant experience just to watch.
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That new godzilla tv show on apple tv has a lesbian as the main character. Her relationship isn't revealed until one of the last episodes of season 1 but it set it up for season 2 to follow which starts soonshe's a two-timer juggling two different women
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I will give him attention because if there is a futa picture it's our responsibility to know about it and ask for it to be removed, the true fan of yuri does not dwell in ignorance as we are better, stronger and smarter than everyone else, especially those who thrown themselves in the mud of depraved art.
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My youtube algo used to feed me a steady stream of new obscure /u/ recommendations and now its shit so I'm trying to pull up old /u/ vids that had its watch history forgotten to retrain it. Here's one of my favorite classics.
>SCHOOLGIRL CRUSH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvR0M5-5qcE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp7MF4A1JUQ
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At least in the first episode (which lasts 45 minutes) there is some yuri between these two, the typical dynamic of the stronger girl protecting the weaker one, even if it means someone dies.
I suppose there are already people here who know the original and nothing relevant has been said about it here, considering the rotating cast, there may not be more or there may be more in the future.
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That makes sense, there's not much of a problem with that format. The important thing is that if anything even remotely yuri-like arises, it's between characters who don't die and don't return like a bad horror movie sequel (the kind that kills off survivors for no reason).
Personally, I find it an entertaining series. It doesn't focus on the gory or morbid aspects of people dying, but rather on the death game aspect, which are games as fair to the participants as Yu-Gi-Oh! Forbidden Memories (those who have played the game will understand).
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>Yu-Gi-Oh! Forbidden Memories
Sup, grandma.
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Well, that's a series by series basis. If there's no alternative TL's, or the scan group/TL'er didn't upload it anywhere else, then almost certainly some TL'ed mangas would slip through the cracks. However, since it's pretty rare that scan groups only upload to one site, and generally do a solid job of putting their TL's on other sites when necessary, the list of TL'ed manga in the past few years you've missed shouldn't be long
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I think ZenKowa's answers provided a bit more content than this. Because at least that made it clear ZenKowa is still going on for the foreseeable future. Plus, I thought the bit where Kuwabara doubted the first few pages of ZenKowa would get approved was interesting.
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>this masterpiece aired 10 years ago
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>Aggregators never reflect updated chapters
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>can skip chapters with unconventional numbers like ch5.6
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>yuri about a supernatural being/alien/timetraveler/etc being introduced to modern technology for the first time
>learns how to use a smart phone and technology within a few days like its natural to them
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https://dynasty-scans.com/series/roommates
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>made a name for herself on the back of the lesbian fandom
>sells them all out for greener hetslop pastures the moment she has enough clout
>keeps stringing the lezgoym along with some vague promises of potential yuri scraps at some unspecified time
No, this yagakimi jew ain't getting a single shekel from me ever again. Traitor.
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My understanding is that she said she didn't write it with yuri in mind and the story could easily be something else because the characters don't care about gender, which honestly isn't a much better statement either but in line with the last chapter of the manga where Touko said she didn't even to label themselves as lovers, which really sounds like a Sorawo tier of cope.
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>>4518278
That would be hilarious, but the worst part in the end is thanks to the unrealistic nerdy expectations of many people around here. Even if she makes a new yuri manga, people will be super critical and complain about any nonsense, or invent nonexistent symbolism based on some completely out-of-context or misunderstood statement.
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I meant in terms of the market. The yuri market is not even remotely comparable to the hetshit one. That's partly why she became a hit only when she wrote yuri after being a literal who with a series of no-name hetshit flops prior to it: she was a small generic fish in a very small yuri pond. The yuri market is minuscule and yuri fans are more starved and desperate forgoodyuri content, and a more starved and desperate fanbase makes for a more loyal fanbase should you manage to meet the relatively low standards such desperate fanbase most likey has.
But hetshit market is so huge that even being a yet another generic faceless nameless het creator in an ocean of generic faceless nameless het creator is just as or even more profitable than being a top name yuri creatornot that she ever was.
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>>4518276
Yes, though since it was at the start of the serialization if anything it was good faith, though the timing makes me believe it was just kadokawa trying to detach their stories from the yuri word, it's also curious both of them never did yuri again.
>>4518283
Yes and no, even authors with het anime with several seasons are not making that much more money than your yuri author, the higher you go, the more they demand you give up some of your already small piece of the pie.
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>>4518260
It's a perfectly fine statement. Most yuri doesn't require homosexuality for the story or message to work. But we wouldn't be here if we thought it didn't enhance it.
>>4518265
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>Even if she makes a new yuri manga, people will be super critical and complain about any nonsense, or invent nonexistent symbolism based on some completely out-of-context or misunderstood statement.
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>My understanding is that she said she didn't write it with yuri in mind and the story could easily be something else because the characters don't care about gender
Nothing weird here, that doesn't mean the story isn't yuri and she did call it yuri. Specifically she said yagakimi has girls who fall in love with girls but gender is irrelevant in their case (Touko, Yuu, Riko) and girls who can only fall in love with other girls (Sayaka, Miyako). This isn't weird at all, there are many stories where the main characters fall in love with each other yet never show interest in other girls before and after.
>Touko said she didn't even to label themselves as lovers, which really sounds like a Sorawo tier of cope.
That was silly but it made sense in context, Yuu was always thinking about love in terms of romance novel cliches, about the special things, and Touko told her that while they're lovers and are dating, those expressions aren't needed to define them because they will continue to change over the years and many things Yuu finds special will stop being special over time.
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And then she posts about seven eleven chicken, right afterwards!
https://x.com/i/status/2013121128403968282
Why? To defuse the tension? To seem more relatable? To make the yuri FANS pity her?
No, that Nakatani anti-yuri DEVIL will not get the best of me. I know you she is reading this. I know this was all just pre-emptive damage control. I know you will make more hetslop after this. You won't get the best of me.
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Not only this one does not have yuri, but one of the girls literally starting prostituting herself to old men to pay the debt, the serializations tones it down but the original webcomic is very unambiguous she is getting fucked.
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Uh huh.
Boy and girl hand holding
>Crickets
Boy and boy hand holding
>They are fags, no other explanation necessary
Girl and girl after having sex
>Over 100 pages dissertation how it's wrong to call them lesbians.
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I agree but I guess It boils down to the author's perception of romance and love, who knows what's in Nakatani's sick mind. Touko's trauma didn't make much sense to me but oh well it makes her more interesting.
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>>4518390
They implication is there, the point is you are just trying to justify authors unnecessarily walking in eggshells in regards to relationships between women even when you yourself is aware this trope would be unacceptable anywhere else.
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It would be unnaceptable anywhere else because other types of relationship involve men, who have different desires and priorities. Men have simple needs, women are more complex. Nakatani's statements make justice to the complexity of yuri relationships; the blurring of the line between friendship, romance and something else have always been a part of the genre because female desire for other females is not the same as the desire a male feels.
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What are you saying is nothing but pretentious idealistic delusions about relationships between women to again, justify an author walking around the subject of the character's sexuality with a trope that stopped making sense 15 years ago. Also you should read more if you really believe yuri is the only type of fiction that blurs relationship between friendship and love. Nakatani sounds exactly like you, pretentious but who is unable to say anything without vague terms that don't describe anything at all.
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>Yes and no, even authors with het anime with several seasons are not making that much more money than your yuri author
Are we expecting more hetero authors involved into yuri romances? There's a strong chance popular authors will get into and have more success.
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We had a few authors who recently popped up, for example that gal x gal manga? Het author who had anime airing like two seasons ago and she wasn't even trying to start a yuri serialization, she just made a oneshot that somehow got dozens of millions of views and the publisher told her they would be retarded to not take this opportunity.
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It's even worse than that, Kadokawa inbetween published a het romance with a male MC as a yuri series because he liked to watch yuri couples like a freak, the reception was so negative the light novel was axed in the day of release. At some point either by learning from their mistakes or from picking new editors they realized they had to take yuri seriously.
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Sad, since My Yuri Started With Slavery could be ending soon then. Plus, I checked JP Amazon and BookWalker, and it looked like ZenKowa V5 was outselling DameInu V1. Considering first volumes usually attract people just wanting to check out new launches, that's not a great start. And of course, Kuwabara was already missing deadlines during V1 of DameInu too.
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>>4518433
Volume 1 sales are usually always very low anon, unless they are a viral hit which is very rare, first because it's little time to build an audience, second because publishers will always underprint, especially now paper is costing too much and having unsold stock being returned would be a big loss.
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>>4518437
I don't think you should be worried, you will find similar behavior with almost every new series, either sales will pick up by volume 2 or they won't at all, but if they do the publisher starts promoting it more and sales start increasing. Kuwabare also seems to be pushing some merch early on and this may also help.
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There was already a merch push with MelonBooks for V1 that also tried to leverage ZenKowa's popularity. Basically, if you bought ZenKowa V5 and DameInu V1, you got merch for both series with the volume cover artworks on them.
I also question how lenient Kadokawa is about missing deadlines compared to Yuri Hime. The official DameInu twitter posted prior release dates only to go silent when Kuwabara missed them by a week. And now the series is on an undermined length break only a chapter into the eventual V2.
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>>It's even worse than that, Kadokawa inbetween published a het romance with a male MC as a yuri series because he liked to watch yuri couples like a freak
The problem with that is more complex than that. This series technically came out first as a manga on YouTube that could be considered yuri according to the people who had read it (I don't include myself). Things started to go wrong when it turned out that this light novel was a sequel completely related to that manga and not a spin-off or something like that. Then you have the author very strongly justifying the fact that what he was doing was yuri from his point of view and logic.
So it wasn't just publishing a het series as yuri, but an author who was completely dishonest about his intentions from the beginning. The publisher could have controlled things better, but here the author was entirely to blame.
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I very much doubt the author came up with this on his own, more likely the editor told him it would sell better if it was a romcom with this premise and the publisher then went ahead with this plan which of course would directly conflict with the target audience's expectations. Also his answer was that he made the light novel to "teach men how to enjoy yuri" which of course was the same as throwing gasoline into a fire.
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I think volume 2 is going to have major developments happen just in case, like Yuhi's backstory revealed and possibly a Sakurako true identity reveal. That way even if it's only given a third volume to wrap up, it has time to actually focus on their current relationship. Though I do have this suspicion that Sakurako will take a page from her friend's lover's book, and forbid Yuhi from having sex with her (or anyone else) until graduation.
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>yuri fans so starved for content, that any moderately popular het author can grift their way into a viral serialization by accident
>publishers will still desperately try to distance themselves from yuri by refusing to go explicit or are so lacking in self-awareness that they will try to push an 'up to interpretation' angle on an already explicit series; and game publishers will add a male MC even to an already explicitly yuri franchise, even after its proven successful without one. Even worse when the voice actors and animators are all-in on shipping the girls together too
I dont get. it's like they're either too afraid to go all in and put all their eggs in one basket, or are trying to have their cake and eat it too by profiting from yuri fans and then double dipping with hetfags.
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>>4518577
>yuri fans so starved for content, that any moderately popular het author can grift their way into a viral serialization by accident
If it goes viral it means it's hitting outside the usual yuri audience, her art and premise were very well executed too, she deserves the success she got, it's not about from where you came from but the quality of your work.
>publishers will still desperately try to distance themselves from yuri by refusing to go explicit or are so lacking in self-awareness that they will try to push an 'up to interpretation' angle on an already explicit series
The most you can argue is about anime, even shueshia is starting to push yuri now.
>and game publishers will add a male MC even to an already explicitly yuri franchise, even after its proven successful without one. Even worse when the voice actors and animators are all-in on shipping the girls together too
Not sure what franchise you are talking about, but stuff like gatchashit, idolshit, vtubershit and so on all exists on bubbles than depend on mentally ill people spending their salaries on it, your fault for trusting them to give a shit.
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The problem is that your example is too generalized and covers several things that haven't actually been presented together in the same series.
Furthermore, you have to understand that there is a big difference between hetfags, waifufags and those elitist idiots who think they are better than everyone else and who have in common with "normal" people the fact that they have no fucking clue what yuri is and how it works.
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>>Not sure what franchise you are talking about, but stuff like gatchashit, idolshit, vtubershit and so on all exists on bubbles than depend on mentally ill people spending their salaries on it, your fault for trusting them to give a shit.
You're also generalizing and you don't understand the other Anon's complaint at that point, a complaint for which I can only think of 2 concrete examples, while the examples you're thinking of don't apply and, by the way, you don't understand what the real problem is regarding yuri with those examples either.
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That is a pretty common start for a yuri manga, look at Kao yuri.
I’d have preferred the MCs get together rather early but only because i hate seeing it happen only in extras. Is it also common in hetshit to not continue post-confession?
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People hate on Kaguya's later half because it's worse than the rest of the manga. Anyway, they are changing the ending for the anime and giving a glimpse to them as adults, so there's a slim chance Aka will finally have the balls to actually do something with Hayasaka and Fujuwara.
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Then we would be talking about hetfags, and these tend to be unnecessarily passionate and hostile, especially towards yuri.
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For someone who knows nothing, they can be the same, in the same way that rom-com and a series with only girls are the same to "gentlemen in ties", based on pure ignorance.
>>4519019
That's a really (stupid) generalized view of things, which doesn't even correctly apply to several of the series within the same genre. Not all idol series are the same, just as not all band series are the same, especially when there are het examples of those genres that are mediocre at best.
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>>4519085
That doesn't mean anything; series with little or nothing in common tend to collaborate. It's like saying that Mazoku and Yuru Yuri are Idol because they've collaborated with Re:stage, in the same way that Goshiusa and Madoka have collaborated with Girlfriend (beta) and the DJ series with Monster Hunter, and even better Toji no Miko with Nier Automata.
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I will never forget this face for the rest of my life.
Now I feel motivated to watch this, although my circumstances will make it difficult and who knows how long it will take me to watch this and give my opinion.
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https://x.com/yogurt_pt/status/2014298244420124956
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>2 hours 23 minutes
Is that right? That's really long for an animated movie. I'll plan on watching it saturday anyway, it looks intriguing and I'm ok with a little subtext since I'm starved for yuri movie content.
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>>4519107
Set the time aside and go watch it, it's great.
>>4519106
Declarations of love, spur-of-the-moment marriage proposal that Iroha accepts, moving in together with newlywed style scenes,Iroha rejects the expected ending of Kaguya's fairytale, Kaguya waits 8,000 years to see her again despite losing her body, Iroha rejects that bittersweet ending too, completely changes her career path and studies ten years to make Kaguya a body so they can fully be together again.They were roommates.
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>>4519106
Get out of this thread and go watch it now.
How the fuck did we just get a high-budget yuri anime moviewith a happy ending?No kiss but pretty much maintext.Do good things happen sometimes?
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>>4518955
The oneshot of another silver award winner, Kabocha, was published in the Eclair anthology
https://x.com/kabo_cha0726/status/925344783169568773
however, 4 years later, when Kuwabara won the award, this anthology had already stopped publication. Such a tragedy.
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>>4518957
>If they study how to use FORESHADOWING and express character feelings through objects, like small props or personal items, they could likely expand into genres like mystery. A very promising future ahead!
I told you that znkw is a great hard-boiled detective manga, but you didn't believe me.
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>>4519396
Finally. Yuri that doesn't have shit production. Also, called it that summer would offer a maintext anime people can watch so they don't have to force themselves to waste their time in a franchise they've lost all faith in (Nanoha)
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>so they don't have to force themselves
I know I'm asking a lot, but I'd kinda like to watch more than 1 (one!) anime per season.
In fact each season tends to be so dry that even if we were to get all announced yuri manga adaptations in summer, I'd still jump into anything with yuri scraps in it to compensate for the vacuum over the rest of the year.
Beggars can't be choosers.
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>>4519396
Where do we think this'll end?
Assuming it's 12 episodes, I think it'll end on chapter 23, after their fight. I would love for the anime to reach chapter 34 (the confession), but I don't think it's feasible to get there in 12 episodes without rushing/skipping certain developments.
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>>4519397
Talking about anime with shit production I've read the Omae Gotoki novels and I think that the anime will end with volume 3 so I guess we will see the 50 year age gap oneeloli and other "controversial" things there.
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>>4519421
The anime already made some modifications like replacing the Azu with the werewolves also the OP kinda implies that we will see the scene when Milkit saves Flum from "Evil Hag Claire" (yeah I kmow that they only have the same surname but both are also blonde)
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>Finally. Yuri that doesn't have shit production
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>Do good things happen sometimes?
Wtf, no kidding, this was really, really good, way above what we usually get in the span of a decade; did a bunch of stars align or something?
I'm almost glad Madoka was delayed cause watching it right after would've probably made it feel mellow.
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I ended up watching it cause of this performance scene with the three girls being posted. Someone was complaining about them butchering the Miku song and all I could focus on was and the girl's interactions during the performance. Thought it was gonna be some kind of love triangle where the two long hair girls compete for the dark hair girls attention. Didn't expect it to be more than 2 hours but I found the show pretty wholesome and fun while also sad and bittersweet and unexpectedly pretty yuri. It was worth it for me.
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Pues a mi no me gusto. Esa kaguya es una niña demasiado pretenciosa.
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this movie was such a blessing, but there was no build up since nobody expected it, the hype will probably be short-lived and it will fade into obscurity by the next general
some nice anon should make a thread for it for the sake of posterity
here's some news worth posting:
https://xcancel.com/i/status/2014986542641717485
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>>4519755
Yeah it sucks. I'm not a subtext hater but I got quite tired of it after Nina and Momoka. They even used the word kokuhaku but then the show acts like nothing happened and we're supposed to wonder whether they're dating because of toothbrushes and calendars.
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There's no kiss or anything, but it's clear they're in love with each other, Kaguya confesses to Iroha mutliple times, Iroha accepts her marriage proposal, they move out together and sleep in the same bed, can't really say anything else because of spoilers. No idea why the retards here are saying it's subtext.
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>>4519766
>>some people think its not yuri if theres no kiss.
Which is funny when you realize that's more of a Western standard (Disney is a bad influence) since in Japan kisses are mostly more discreet, especially in romance. Even series that are supposed to be romances might not have a kiss, or if there is one, it's off-screen or at a distance where it can't be seen (like in Pokémon XY&Z).
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the following episode had momoka giving a bunch of smiles and glances at Nina while acting unusually nice and clingy to her. it was pretty obvious they started going out even if they never say it, but i do think it'd be better if studios stopped pussyfooting around the issue constantly. cant even have a fucking marriage without publishers dancing around their relationship status
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The writers there had their hands so tightly tied by higher ups they had to employ tactics that would make the best yuri mental gymnasts from this thread blush. They had to frame the scene so that you could only see Serena's feet raising her heels with the rest of the scene showing a plane with the number 303 on it. 303 is the Pokedex number of Mawile, クチート in Japanese which sounds like "kuchi to" = "on the mouth".
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>>4519747
Honestly it's closer to the former. I'm in the camp that in 2026, we shouldn't be content with scraps anymore. In this case I never got the sense that the writings were holding themselves back because it was Yuri; it was more of a case of Japanese romances not always ending with a kiss. I think some people are also ignoring that this is adapting the Tale of the Bamboo Cutter. Iroha lampshades that she doesn't have the role of the old man despite also raising Kaguya. The whole point of the story is that she's a version of the emperor whodefies the premise of the original story to make her own happy ending with her love.It's just overtly romantic.
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>>4519787
Yes, Kaguya proposing to Iroha is an explicit giant fuck you to her fate in the original fairy tale where she instead rejects all suitors and goes on to get mindwiped and brought back to the moon. It's absolutely a romance.
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Thanks. I would make a webm myself but 1. I deleted all XY episodes from my hard drive after due to its dogshit ending and 2. I couldn't post it here anyway since males on the screen.
To get back on topic, have some KaguIro.
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>Karin Kokonoe
FUCK YOU MOM! You never come home. Y-y-you always spend all your time looking at that Idol. Well you know what? I'LL BECOME AN IDOL SO YOU'LL ACTUALLY PAY ATTENTION TO ME!
>Kaguya-hime
FUCK YOU MOM! Why won't you love me like the way you love that Idol? If that's what you are like I'll become the NUMBER 1 IDOL then you'll love me as more than a daughter!
Anyone I missed?
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Predictions for IdolxIdol.
Current Round, Mimisuke helps Ritsu deal with her past- makes Ritsu even more attached to her.
Next she helps Karin reconcile with her mother- adding another blonde to her harem.
MimiBukki debut.
And in the finale, Bukki forgets to dye her hair revealing she's actually dark-haired and a fake blonde leading to this exchange
>You're were dying your hair the whole time?
>I guess you must have read my profile. I did write I had a thing for blondes.
>Sorry Ibuki but I prefer actual blondes.
>Can't believe I was that obsessed with you
>Where's Ritsu and Karin?
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>>4519753
IdolxIdol is a elimination-style Reality TV contest in Manga form first, a mirror to real-life job worries second and yuri a distant third.
However, considering Idols basically sell sex you can easily read Mimi and Ibuki's admiration/obsession for each other as infatuation/sexual attraction/crushing. Adding to that argument, there's a few panels where Ibuki explicitly thinks she likes for girls. Don't @ me, look at the photobooks and games the big groups put out.
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Cosmic Princess kaguya. What can I say? Legit gay aidor/u/ with everything short of kissing with a surprisingly gay ending. Hits the basic notes on the Kaguya story with a nice twist on the marriage proposals.
The only way Idol anime can get gayer from here is if we adapt that oneshot where the Idol is in a poly relationship but her fans think she is playing a role.
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It IS maintext and probably the gayest retelling of the Tale of the Bamboo Cutter to date. There is genuine romance here. The "true" heartfelt confession near the end and the ending itself caught me off guard.
Almost avoided it because of the VR/Tech motif. Glad I didn't.
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>>4519755
But it is explicit, there's love confessions, a marriage proposal, and they're living together by the end, there's just no kiss.
Maybe the lack of kiss can be considered a bad thing, but het couples don't get to kiss in anime either, and no one doubts they're canon or say it's just subtext
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I appreciate your pun, sis
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>>4519755
>Love declarations, wedding proposal
Haven't really seen this new fotm but words are cheap on their own without the proper context and story treating it seriously, for example even a bunch of het harem and shojo got it for their girls
Some het animes get away without kissing because they treat the scene really really seriously, usually a climax or a big decision
Basically it needs proper weight and mood
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>>4519853
It is a natural progression for most couples, but I felt like they could’ve done more in their relationship instead of just work. They finally do something outside of work and suddenly the feelings come out, probably skipped a step there.
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I kinda see what you're saying. On the other hand I think the work they've been focusing on has lent itself to a decent amount of intimacy.
I'm also a little biased towards any story (especially one set in high school) that manages to introduce side characters that aren't romantic rivals/part of a triangle.
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The main couple and all the ridiculous romantic tension these two created throughout the series. It's actually a scene in the last episode when they're by the river, But I forgot the important details, though at the time it was quite obvious, but I remember some Japanese people saying you could hear the sound of the kiss.
Everyone can complain all they want about this series in general, but at least it was cheesy and romantic.
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After watching, it feels thematically appropriate that Cosmic Princess Kaguya lands as the first yuri original anime feature length movie to exist in human history, doesn't it?I don't count short OVA and Utena was a sequel movie, plus they even gave a nod to utena when Kaguya changed to pink hair.The character animation and design team behind Iroha and Kaguya were incredible. Bravo to the artists for putting so much care in all the little interactions between them. It isn't easy for a movie to get big budgets these days, so for a romantic yuri story to land what was probably larger than a 10 million dollar budget is a big deal. I hope a higher quality release will come out so I can rewatch it in 4k. Already watched a few scenes again and there are so many moments that hit harder knowing the full story likeIroha turning on her Yachiyo stream the moment Kaguya says daisuki and Yachiyo is saying she likes age gay relationships in the background while Iroha continues to talk to Kaguya about her mythological origin story; and in the next scene Kaguya asks Iroha who is on her laptop is and if she is in love with her.. Layering yuri on top of yuri is fucking brilliant. I could write a book exploring all the yuri moments they hid in plain sight. What a fucking treat this was, I can hardly believe it. I want to shake the hands of everyone involved.
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Glad I watched this right away so I could be moved by every surprise since no one spoilers shit any more.I definitely agree they overdid the third act. Since they decided to subvert expectations with the twist they could have just made it unambiguously happy with alien magic and the power of love instead. I vastly prefer happy endings without tragedy or drama but I still cried my fucking eyes out every second of the last act though. Anyway Yachiyo is Kaguya after being 8000 years displaced in time because she tripped on a space rock on her way back to earth the 2nd time and went back too far in time. A little unnecessary extra drama just to arrive at a happy end but I guess they felt the need to equalize the tragedies. I was expecting Yachiyo doing something to the dog was going to be the last act twist in saving Kaguya so I was pretty disappointed. It felt the same smack of annoyance as the fuckboy battle scene where Iroha's brother wins at the last second. Those two scenes are the only negatives I have for the movie though, I loved the rest of it so much
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>>4519877
I'd never complain about that show, it was fun, gay and had a bunch of couples. My favorite was the gyaru couple, both super horny for each other but one being too shy while the other kept trying to get her to make a move already. And the loli couple was clearly already banging.
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I think thetime travel and Kaguya's 8.000 years of longing for Irohawas beautiful but the sci-fi side of it came out a bit weird. Wouldn't call it stupid because it's a unique way to adapt Kaguya-hime's tale by using things there are popular with youngsters nowadays (VR, gaming, multimedia, etc.). It can be brushed off as an allegory with deeper meaning, like what the Matrix movie did with technology at the time.
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I honestly can't stop thinking about it, already rewatched several scenes as well and keep comparing everything. They nailed that inner human desire for a deeper connection and eternity so beautifully, plus the high production quality in general. 2026 barely started and Yuri already won.
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>>4519899Every song lyric takes on a deeper meaning knowing Yachiyo's motivation and that her smile was fueled by never giving up on reaching her happy ending with Iroha after all those years. While I agree the way they executed the twist made the tragedy less impactful, to me that was mostly because they glossed over it in the span of 2 minutes and made it less necessary in my eyes. It still fucking gutted me though. Just thinking about it now made me tear up again.
>>4519901Star crossed lovers who find a way to be together and actually do so happily is a nice improvement although separation and time skips are two of my biggest pet peeves in any story, even more so in a romantic one like this, so having both of these story twists appear at the last minute was a little rough. I like the idea that this twist made their romantic desire one that now extends for eternity because of the causality loop from her time travel. I guess that's one positive outcome for an otherwise overly complex twist.
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>>4519912Yes, plus I think the implication is that in the universe of the movie the fairy tale of Kaguya itself was created by sea slug Kaguya telling her story to locals across history and them jumbling the details up due to not understanding everything, thus the telephone pole she drew on the sand became a bamboo tree, the popularity contest in VR became the impossible tasks for the suitors, Iroha who sang her song to reach her became the Emperor who burned his letter on the highest mountain in the hopes it would reach her and so on.There's a ton of stuff you can read into it.
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There can't be a living creature that wasn't able to grasp them talking about marriage and love is romantic but still has enough brain matter left to analyze the bamboo cutter story to figure it out...right?
>>4519921It's really cute to think that Yachiyo spent those 8000 years retelling the story of her love for Iroha to anyone and everyone who would listen to create the kaguya mythos.
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>>4519919
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Is this the author's self insert or the translator's self insert? I can't understand what they're saying since they're talking over it and the japanese subs don't help since it's just "(voices from the tablet)".
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>>4519917She almost was the old man, the second time Kaguya is about to come to Earth Iroha is drawn with comedic old man features because that much time has passed, but Kaguya decides that's too much of an age gap so she time travels and accidentally creates a 100x bigger one between them, whoops.
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BBBB-B-B-BUT NUHHHH THEY DIDN'T KISS
THEY DIDN'T CONFESS LIKE IN MY SHOUJOSLOP IT'S YURIBAIT I NEED TO SEE THEM SAY IT EXPLICITLY BECAUSE I HAVE DOWNSYNDROME HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW THEY LIKE EACH OTHER WITHOUT A CHECKLIST MEDIA LITERACY IS WHEN CHARACTERS SAY EXACTLY WHAT THEY FEEL ANYTHING SUBTEXTUAL IS BAIT EXCEPT WHEN I LIKE IT LIKE IT MUH FAVORITE ANIMUH HETFILMS
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Tsukuyomi is a goddess and a different moon based folklore they both have something do with the month of October(Tsuki) but I think that’s all they have in common. Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu is about siblings who are also lovers. Amaterasu most of the time is depicted as male but has also been depicted as female.
Tsukuyomi later turned evil and colluded with an 8 headed serpent called the Orochi because sometimes Amaterasu got killed or she became jealous of him.
It’s super confusing and IIRC there’s a mecha based on this back in the 90s.
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this is like anna and marnie all over again. is it weird if i become gay and blush for my grandma who looked my age and like an angel and who i didn't know was my grandma and confessed my love to and played the role of her lover? no it's not it's just kino yuri.
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>>4519928
I can hear her say "saiki wa ne something something nenreisa (age gap) something something"but I have no idea how the TLer heard the rest of the sentence because I nearly blew my eardrums trying to decipher it over iroha and kaguya. I switched to the english dub and after supressing the urge to blow my eardrums out purposefully because of how bad it was, I learned they just ad libbed yachiyo entirely with a generic rewrite lamely thanking her fans. I can only imagine the other liberties they took with a movie like this that is loaded with nuanced performances.
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>because she was already in love with someone.
The nature of folklore being what it is, I wouldn't be surprised if there is at least one version of the story where Kaguya had a lover on the moon. I recall there is one story where she accepts one of the suitors, who is either an important official or the Emperor.
But the general structure, is that Kaguya can't be with anyone from Earth, cause she is doomed to eventually return to the Moon, so the suitors are given impossible tasks to bat everyone off. In the movie this is a 1v1 in NOT-DOTA against Kaguya's Mother-Wife who happens to be a high ELO player.
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Tsukuyomi is an actual God of the moon >>4519971 and the one involved with the Orochi shenanigans was Susanoo. BUT Amaterasu could be bi. She did "come out of a cave" for a naked Dawn Goddess- who supplies me with razor weasels
Kaguya herself is a fictional character- but it's speculated that she could be inspired by the Chinese Moon Goddess Chang'e. There's the same basic structure. An impossible love story and the female being/deity going to the Moon.
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>I want to fuck my grandma: The Book
Ms Robinson. Sit down. We need to talk.
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I should break it down further
Chang'e and Kaguya- both return to the moon
Tragic lovers, brief to no relationship with a man whom they leave behind (Houyi/The Suitors and the Emperor)
Sent down from the heavens because shit happened (Houyi, I ordered you to SCARE the suns, not kill my suns/Sent down because of some crime)
Elixir of Immortality (Chang'e drinks the entire potion and leaves Houyi behind/Kaguya leaves it as a gift to the Emperor but he burns it as he doesn't want to live forever without Kaguya)
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>>4519987
To be even more clear, all of this junk is just some old boring story that the movie took inspiration from to tell a better story. In the movie Kaguya only loves Iroha and vice versa, so none of this baggage exists. She leaves the moon because she is an OL eternally forced to do paperwork. This gay reimagining is much more true to life for the japan of today.
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This really the best we got? Fucking love bullet??
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>>4520024
Wow, sounds like a smart author for doing this extremely basic thing too hard to figure out for a lot of nips. She should've complained about how English fan translations were killing her Japanese page views instead.
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>>4520020
This allows westerners to vote, love bullet authors is know to be in certain circles in the US where them beg for others of the same kind to bot this type of thing, this is why all nominees are weird niche or finished titles.
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Since no one clicks links this is the official cosmic princess kaguya account saying that they are releasing a music video on the 31st at 21:00 with new animation that connects to the movie. Since the image is from the new animation I'm now uncontrollably hyped knowing I will see more of them together soon.
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>setting up fucking het relationship
Oh so you haven't actually been reading it.
>there is literally 0 lesbians at all canonically
So, the entire first volume just never happened then? Just say you hate it because the author isn't Japanese. It's fine if you hate Love Bullet, just don't lie about the manga, or why you don't like it.
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>>4520210
>reeee you only dislike x because the author isnt Japanese (because i said so)
nta, but kill yourself. LB is mediocre at best, its no wonder it was almost cancelled and people had to pity buy it. Now stop making up excuses, Inee, its coming off as insecure.
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>>4520389
>Gay toddler, age gap pseudo incest is mainstream
>Actual incest is mainstream
Better than previous years. Society is healing, ww3 cancelled.
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>>4520389
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsRjQDrDnY8
Seriously, I can't really trust the opinions of people who rate things based on only one episode, and the vast majority of scores remain the same (even without the first episode).
>>Watanare OVA
>>OVA
Even worse, if they don't have a clue about the formats either
>5. Revolutionary Girl Utena
>6. Liz and the Blue Bird
or directly about anything while we're at it.
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>>4520389
>Look Back
>Utena
>Liz and the Blue Bird
>Maid Dragon
>Kill la Kill
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>>4520537
>Maid Dragon
To be fair, the premise and main theme is yuri; the existence of stupid secondary elements is a different story.
>Look Back
I swear nobody talked about this at the time, and that's why I didn't know it existed. Was there a particular reason? Come on, there weren't even any complaints; someone would have mentioned it even if it was a negative example.
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>>4520543
>the existence of stupid secondary elements is a different story.
And how the series focuses on those elements exclusively, ignoring the premise and main theme.
>Was there a particular reason?
Yes. It wasn't yuri.
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>>4520547
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>>4520537
I watched the movie about two years ago now. I got a free bookmark from it.
The movie is about two girls who start off as art nerd rivals in JS. One of them is a NEET, and other isn't. Girl A is the one person who convinces the NEET to stop being a NEET- and the two go on to debut in middle school as mangaka as the two complement each other's art styles. They two end up forming a very close working relationship.
So where is the yuri?
Jokingly I would say Look Back is about two star-crossed lovers. Jokingly, I also believe a sequel would hit very similar to the first Spiderverse.In the main universe, NEET-chan decides to attend Art School as a learning break on the verge of their major debut. This pisses Girl A off, and it goes but ends up having the shitluck to be there when a school stabbing happens. Her partner is absolutely fucked by this and is convinced it's all her fault- if she didn't convince NEET-chan to stop being a NEET she wouldn't end up in this universe where she gets killed.
And she's kinda proven right. Through the power of yuri magic she saves Alt NEET-chan from getting killed. This is a universe where she never convinced NEET-chan to come out of her room, but she still leaves the room (eventually) and goes on to study at the same Art School- but this time she survives the school stabbing. The person who saved her? Alt-Girl A who hasn't started a career in this universe
Still, they converse and it's implied Alt-Girl A and Alt-NEET-chan will still form a working relationship. And maybe they will still have the same level of success later than they would have.
We cut back to main timeline. Girl A is at her work desk drawing manuscripts. Alone.
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It's amazing someone even made that list considering nowhere in MAL they call those series yuri or girls love as they call it, with the exception of Watanare. It's literally someone picking random series and looking at scores on MAL. Not sure if it was anon trolling because of look back or he just picked something those things on bluesky posted.
>I swear nobody talked about this at the time, and that's why I didn't know it existed. Was there a particular reason? Come on, there weren't even any complaints; someone would have mentioned it even if it was a negative example.
You don't want to know.
>>4520547
>And how the series focuses on those elements exclusively, ignoring the premise and main theme.
You can dislike the series for being an ensemble cast series, but don't write in bad faith when almost every chapter has Tooru and Kobayashi interacting with each other on them.
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>>4520535
Before this thread become worse. That pink haired girls made me remember that Cyrill's GF also has pink hair and that Cyrill went from Tarumi to best Yaya after they introduce her in the extra stories of the WN. There was no gift here, Cyrill worked hard to save that girl to the point I could say that she earned her new love interest, not like you Yaya Sasame-san.
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>>4520558
"oh noooo you don't want to know, oh nooo the horooors". This is the worst kind of reply. Fuck off, you retarded obnoxious asshole. Just reply to the question or say fucking nothing.,. It's a anime film about two girls wanting to be mangaka. It's not a liveleak or another form of real crime. Stop the "oh no the horrors you don't want to know" bullshit
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Delinquent getting blackmailed by the girl she saved
https://x.com/Touchme_midas/status/2013576967845708008
https://x.com/Touchme_midas/status/2015405870000247159
I want a full anime of these two
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>>4520605
There are so many better delinquent setups than that though. Those characters don't even have much emotion to build a continuation from. I'd rather see this get animated because the characters are more interesting.
https://dynasty-scans.com/series/out_of_the_blue
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>>4520606
The director was very upfront in denying when asked the gay question and even said they had no idea who the characters would end with and that chapter you are talking about is just a line taken out of context in bad faith as usual.
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>>4520617
It reminds me of people who insist that CLAMP are yuri fans, when they only have one (terrible) version of Alice in Wonderland (which could be porn and is worse than people actually admit it is) and the rest is Het or Yaoi with no real possibilities for yuri, super yuri fans definitely.
>>4520598
>>I always figured that Look Back just piggybacked on Chainsaw Man's popularity.
Honestly, that's the reason why it's in the first place; the people of MAL are super easily influenced by nonsense.
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>>4520606
The movie is super pretentious garbage and there's no other way to describe it. It tries very hard to justify its own existence. The fable of the bird is a terrible analogy for the characters in the movie, simply to say very bluntly and clearly that their being together is a bad thing, since your own happiness is irrelevant and the happiness of others who are entertained by you is more important.
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>>4520646
Hibike season 3 already showed that they're still together, you're in denial by this point.
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>>4520603
>>the guy who makes yuri fanart
Aren't men supposed to be prohibited from writing yuri? Why is it suddenly so special for him? I ask because it's no different from other authors who are treated worse for writing much more and more yuri.
>> has canon dykes in his manga
It's no different from other series that also have "dykes" and it's not like this is such a relevant element, like the harem series where there are only about 5 men left and they are used to repopulate humanity or the series of the skeleton that reincarnates as a child in the modern world, there are lesbians, but it doesn't make the product yuri, even trash like Date a Live or Mato Seihei no Slave supposedly have lesbians and they manage to make that het.
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>>4520649
You misunderstood several things; the movie treats the mere possibility of them being together as something bad and uses everything it has to refute that point, even though the themes of that movie are something that S2 already did better and with less nonsense.
Furthermore, what S3 does is show that they are still in contact, but they never say that they are together. In fact, the scene where they appear says the complete opposite and shows either that there is no relationship or that it is not really important. A better job was done of giving more relevance to another secondary "couple," but it is as lazy as in this entire series (this is the Kumiko show and nothing more).
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>>4520644
It was great wasn't it? And it is somehow even better with a 2nd viewing.By the way she isn't AI, that was just the convenient excuse she used to explain her existence as a super powerful vtuber to the world
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I read this and it was so cute. Their flirting was exactly what I was looking for
https://dynasty-scans.com/series/yurika_and_sayuri_are_a_couple
Then I read this again and I forgot how great it was. Good yuri stands the test of time no matter how old it is
https://dynasty-scans.com/series/the_real_her
How has yuri not taken over the world
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>>4520592
Are you completely sincere in your bowing to the opinion of people in the only country where yuri exists, or do you simply agree with it when it confirms your own personal opinion?
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