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Welcome to the Super Mario Bros. General, in this kingdom of ours here we discuss everything MARIO! Let's continue the Paisano journey!
/smbg/ #327 - A New Wonder Edition
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>>Mario News and Releases<<
「!」Mario Kart World has officially released!
「!」Donkey Kong Bananza + DK Island & Emerald Rush DLC has officially released!
「!」Super Mario Party Jamboree: Switch 2 + TV update has officially released!
「!」Super Mario Galaxy 1 + 2 (Switch) has officially released!
>Future Release Dates:
「!」40th anniversary content
「!」Mario Tennis Fever releases on February 12th, 2026
「!」Yoshi and the Mysterious Book releases Spring 2026
「!」Super Mario Bros. Wonder: Meetup in Bellabel Park releases Spring 2026
「!」The Super Mario Galaxy Movie Sequel -potentially- releases on April 3rd, 2026
>Current News Links:
「!」Mario Tennis Fever – Overview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSyoMsWRL9I
「!」SMBW: NS2E + MIBP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVB3hZoOF0A
「!」Yoshi (YatMB)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YluJneE1bMo
「!」DKB: Emerald Rush DLC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44xycnG2mKo
「!」SMG + SMG2 Switch 2 Port
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTYux25TW8Q
「!」TSMGM Movie – Official Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuCejewteF8
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>General Paisano Links
https://www.mariowiki.com/
https://www.suppermariobroth.com/
>Netplay Guide
https://pastebin.com/kZVHmZGR
>SMA4 level editor (SMA4 Mods - Smaghetti)
https://smaghetti.com/
>SM64 Mod ROM hacks [ replace () with a dot ]
https://rentry()co/romhacks (Guide for newer players & for interest)
https://romhacking()com/
>/smbg/ Anon interest
/smbg/ link compilation: https://rentry.org/g6233fq8
/smbg/ writeanon compilation: https://rentry.org/tv4fp8q5
https://cytube/r/smbg/ (put a dot between u and b)
>Etc. Interest
Post any SMM2 / SMW levels ya' got!
Post gameplay videos!
Share your Strikers club and builds!
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>>555024042
PHANTO.
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>>555033989
Hope you enjoy Brothership. Should probably warn you that it starts off slow (it does the sort of thing where each sea introduces a new plot element towards the end of the previous one, so the first'll feel like it drags).
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I love Luigi
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>>555043054
Cute and kissable!
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>>555033727
This powerup is really cute. I hope it's fun to use.
>>555033989
Enjoy! Like the other anon says it has a real slow start, it'll be a couple levels before you even fight a boss IIRC, but it's a great (and very different) M&L style game.
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>>555062973
>Everyone countering this post on x
>Mario beats Bowser and DK on the regular, even in their stronger forms, and Gods.
K rool gets folded.
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>>555077889
You can probably scale all the Mario characters closely because of all the spinoffs they have together, though even then Mario can still handle Bowser and DK consistently, and DK beats King K rool. Not denying his massive strength but Mario would win.
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If you don't know the Japanese original names for the characters and enemies you're a fake fan. Luigi is 類似 meaning similar to, Wario is 惡 meaning evil, Bowser is Koopa which comes from Korean gukbap "soup rice", "Toad" (worst one) is from Kinopio, 茸+io from Pinocchio. Goomba is 栗坊, chestnut fellow, Lakitu is 壽限無 (longevity limit no), Rosalina is Rosetta.
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Mario toad lore is strange.
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It's almost time for his apparition
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>>555099336
Objectively low effort voice-acting is part of Mario's DNA. Historically the series has characters performed by random cheap people Nintendo could get, sometimes even localization staff to do voice clips despite that not even being their actual job.
And lol at acting like "overplayed tropes" aren't in the DNA of a series that started with a King Kong MONKEY CLIMBING BUILDING HOLDING DAMSEL bit.
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New poster for the movie! A nice look at the Gateway
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>>555121982
If you showed me this trailer like a year earlier, I would’ve never guessed it was for The Super Mario Galaxy movie, like, Peach fights the doki doki panic cast at a casino and Mario & Luigi turn into babies at some point? How is that gonna play out with everything else?
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>>555122250
>"Not created by me so tough luck"
>>555122123
Seems like they will be joining the 2, you would think they would save the galaxy in a possible third movie but i guess not
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>Mouser
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>>555123105
The thing is that neither Galaxy nor World really have enough story to make a movie out of them. Mario World boils down to "Save Peach from Bowser, but in a place that has some enemies that you didn't seein SMB1" and Galaxy is 'Save Peach from Bowser, in space, also there is a hub NPC with a dead mom".
Neither of these have enough meat for a 90 minute movie.
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>yoshi's safari reference
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I'm sure we can all agree on this
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I haven’t heard of her and she seems known only for Fast and Furious of all things; shouldn’t Daisy be played by a more remarkable actress, especially when we consider that the actress has to be a person of color to properly portray Daisy’s middle eastern desert aesthetic?
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What love song would you pick for Yoshi and Birdo if they met?
I choose "I Want to Know What Love Is" by Foreigner
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Good news: The movieverse continues to be the last bastion of Mareach, we've noticed that Mario is the one who gives Peach her iconic parasol as a gift.
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What if the story is being told from Rosalina's perspective? All the different scenarios with Mario and co. are chapters in the storybook.
Not sure what this kind of writing structure is called, but it could be that Rosalina is dictating Mario's story up until Bowser intrudes on her realm, at which her and Mario's storylines sync up.
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>>555086563
>No obligatory Chain Chomp Iggy
>Lemmy is another fucking fish
>>555123371
It's now mama Yoshi for you, Toad
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I liked the trailer I thought it was cool to see Mario and Luigi going to a place where they need help with a pipe. I thought the rendition of the underground theme going into the SMW overworld theme was alright.
>>555122018
She has a ring, maybe they'll explain what it means.
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Clawgripbros... Not like this...
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Daisy, my beloved.
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>movie will be a collection of adventures romp
>mario and luigi stick together
>no daisy in sight
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>Peach STILL has to tardwrangle Mario
>a complete reversal of the games
Hollywood does what Hollywood does. An insult to the franchise, only defended by fat women and homosexuals
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>>555117675
>Moviefag trying to water down the original series again to stoop everything to his level
Fake fan.
>Objectively low effort voice-acting is part of Mario's DNA. Historically the series has characters performed by random cheap people Nintendo could get, sometimes even localization staff to do voice clips despite that not even being their actual job.
None of this is about hiring big name celebs to make a quick buck. Disingenuous.
>And lol at acting like "overplayed tropes" aren't in the DNA of a series that started with a King Kong MONKEY CLIMBING BUILDING HOLDING DAMSEL bit.
Thanks for proving that Mario isn't a girlboss series with this quote too. So the Mario movie isn't Mario DNA.
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>>555117675
>Objectively low effort voice-acting is part of Mario's DNA.
holy shit, kys moviefag, not speaking full sentences =/= low effort, every mario character's voice was full of life for decades before the big swaps
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>>555148137
>every mario character's voice was full of life
Constant reused voice clips and getting random Nintendo employees to do voices means that they weren't full of life.
People bitching about Afghani and other replacements should really see what an actual bad replacement voice actor is. Mario and other characters with new voices are just on the next step of their character evolution.
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>>555024042
About the new Mario 2 movie and the new trailer.
In the Video games are Yoshi's actually capable of saying more than just Yoshi because I only heard it say Yoshi in the trailer without any implication it can actually you know talk.
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>>555152252
Outside of the RPGs where Yoshis can speak, Yoshi has been shown to speak in World but after that Yoshi generally just says his own name. The only exception in my memory is that time he wrote a message in Galaxy 2.
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>the fire of the Fire Flower burned down the coats Mario and Luigi had
How do we feel about that mariobros?
>>555152252
In the japanese trailer he has the same voice, also some games like Mario Party that Yoshi speaks but in a different language(same with DK but whatever).
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>>555151881
>oh great, the mexican is here again
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>climax of the movie
>Mario is riding Yoshi and needs to jump for whatever plot convinient reason but they wouldn't be able to jump high enough
>so they both agree to it and jump and then Mario jumps off Yoshi seemingly fell off to an apparent death(he's fine as revealed later)
How would you react?
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Meh, there's always the next movie. Wasn't expecting anything after the title was revealed anyways.
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>>555157237
The marketing's been leaning heavily on Junior so far and they already showed Bowser being min.
I expect that Bowser will stay small for most of the movie, then Junior turns him into Fury Bowser at the climax to combine Galaxy 2 and Bowser's Fury (especially since Junior's wonder form is already recontextualized as the result of the paint).Probably a longshot, but they can also have Bowser "die" and tease Dry Bowser for the next movie. Maybe something like that unused Spider-Man 3 scene where Eddy was revealed to have been reduced to a skeleton inside of Venom
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>>555158983
I remember something to that effect when smbg was analyzing movie posters back then. Hell if I remember WHERE it was. Or which poster. Might've been this one. Seems the most logical.
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>>555081389
Nope. Now Banjo's good now that's Mario is in the PC port.
https://x.com/sm64coopdx/status/2015241958701048241
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>>555123337
It looks like his stock artwork except with his glasses and ears dropped. In the Satellaview release of USA Mouser spoke in deliquent lingo iirc. Also it's possible they may want to get his design closer to that of Little Mousers from the Yoshi series.
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Fail, Yoshis can't eat Chain Chomps, these guys never played the games.
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>>555151881
Oh and btw this >>555127318 was my only post after getting banned for "troll posting"
Probably gonna get banned again for saying that, because this place is just "reddit but you can sometimes say nward"
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I think it's more like that during the Galaxy adventure they'll go thru various planets and a number of them will be based on games of the series history.
The cassino Peach visits is blatantly some kind of SMB2/Doki Doki galaxy, it has SMB2 bosses and Ninji and Shy Guy and the slots seem to be based on the SMB2 slots where you can get more lives.
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I was just pretending to be retarded.
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Who should voice Birdo?
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You know I might be funny if they do it carefully and with sensitivity instead of like a bigotry joke if they actually get Yoshi forced to talk because Birdo recognizes that particular you'll see and he's like okay I was dating her but I kind of break up when it was going serious when I found out she was a trans woman but they never have him use the word trans he explains it and then Mario or Luigi says I think I get what you're saying that's a trans but they get it wrong and say man but the other brother collects the incorrect one saying no you say follow followed by trans followed by what gender they identify with not the one they were born with .
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what the fuck are you talking about
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This seems to be an AI upscale of the original picture. Her face is much smoother in the original promo art.
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>>555185226
Jesus Christ. How did they manage to fuck up badly something so basic and simple?
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I think the movie will start with the brothers going to Tostarena and meeting Yoshi, and then they go back to the Mushroom Kingdom to celebrate the star festival, and they introduce Yoshi to Toad.
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>>555198493
seethe harder bload
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Call it a film theory, but what most likely happened is that Nintendo and Illumination were originally making a sequel that would be The Super Mario World Movie, the plan was to tie it in with the new Yoshi game and the Yoshi merch for the babies, but then Nintendo realized the 40th anniversary was coming up, and Yoshi isn’t big enough to carry it, so they called Illumination and told them to change course and turn the sequel into The Super Mario Galaxy Movie.
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>256 colors
I truly do not understand how people can do this
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Dunno if it's just a me thing, but it kinda feels like movie yoshi has "that one fat friend in your friend group" vibes, like, look at him
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>>555227925
A photorealistic t-rex out of nowhere among many mario-like dinosaur designs (especially with the fact that the odyssey concept art was going to have a more series-grown proportioned dinosaur instead) gives off the energy that it's just there purely to get meme clicks on social media.
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>>555229189
If you had actually read the art book that concept art is from you would see that i was a concious design choice. The director said that since when you are travelling you don't just go to beautiful places you also feel a certain discomfort of being somewhere strange and surrounded by people you don't know he wanted those visually classhing locations that made Mario feel like a foreigner element instead of a game where every single location just looks like extensions of the Mushroom Kingdom's visual.
It was not done as means to pander to social media autism, if anything, it is an autist obsessed with social media reactions like, possibly, a contrarian 4channer who would project that stance on something he doesn't like.
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>If you had actually read the art book that concept art is from you would see that i was a concious design choice. The director said that since when you are travelling you don't just go to beautiful places you also feel a certain discomfort of being somewhere strange and surrounded by people you don't know he wanted those visually classhing locations that made Mario feel like a foreigner element instead of a game where every single location just looks like extensions of the Mushroom Kingdom's visual.
None of this = make a "funny" soulless photorealistic t-rex, it was just for the meme. The concept art already had a way better inspired design.
>It was not done as means to pander to social media autism, if anything, it is an autist obsessed with social media reactions like, possibly, a contrarian 4channer who would project that stance on something he doesn't like.
Your desperate Ad hominem cope won't get you anywhere.
The first thing that gets seen for the game is that dumb t-rex to bait you into thinking it was a different game, it obviously was social media bait.
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All the relevant female mario characters are here
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What a sad existence to think that everything made in a different way is social media bait instead of something to entertain the player
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whenever i see a doomer schizo in this general this is all i can think of
this is you
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But only Waluigi is the only irrelevant human
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>None of this = make a "funny" soulless photorealistic t-rex, it was just for the meme. The concept art already had a way better inspired design.
Your personal opinion is irrelevant. Lots of people understood just fine what the game was going for with the various different enviroments with varying degrees of detail. The very first trailer of the game, long before we found out about the dinosaur, alreayd made that clear by showing the super cartoony and bright Cookingdom next to the murky and grimmy New York-esque city. It is actually funny you think they expect the dinosaur to shock people when it is not even as shocking as the realistic humans revealed months and months and earlier.
>Your desperate Ad hominem cope
This isn't an argument or a cope, I am just calling you some kind of brain-rotten autist obsssed with internet discourse because you are one, it is a direct insult.
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He's not wrong, because no matter how much >>555243017 does the "I AM VERY SILLY" schtick it's true that Bananza is just Mariofying DK and is more about Odyssey past surface level easter eggs and K Rool being back.
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Where is she???
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>Your personal opinion is irrelevant. Lots of people understood just fine what the game was going for with the various different enviroments with varying degrees of detail. The very first trailer of the game, long before we found out about the dinosaur, alreayd made that clear by showing the super cartoony and bright Cookingdom next to the murky and grimmy New York-esque city. It is actually funny you think they expect the dinosaur to shock people when it is not even as shocking as the realistic humans revealed months and months and earlier.
Humans that tower over Mario have been in the Mario games since the first game (Peach), if that shocked you, you're actually brainless. The soulless photorealistic t-rex was shock value for the meme on the direct and was suppose to be actually be an inspired good design based on the concept art before they went full meme.
>This isn't an argument or a cope, I am just calling you some kind of brain-rotten autist obsssed with internet discourse because you are one, it is a direct insult.
It was desperate Ad hominem and you failed miserably.
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>>555248716
>Humans that tower over Mario have been in the Mario games since the first game (Peach)
Scratch that. Pauline.
Also the realistic t-rex shows up again in new donk city to chase you anyway, still pushing the meme with the realistic humans.
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It's worth pointing out that the movie (which Miyamoto is heavily involved with and considers the next step in Mario's evolution)
features Marioesque humans
While the newer games (which Miyamoto reportedly only play-tests for the first 15 minutes) keep pushing the Sonic 06 realistic humans as if they're the best thing ever.
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>NTA, but are you seriously equating Mario being small with Odyssey humans? That's dishonest.
>Nintendo: These are realistic humans meant to serve as a contrast, as part of a theme for the game.
>You: uhhhhh peach was always tall uhhh t.rex was made for social media uhhhhh
The other anon said the realistic humans were peak shock value (which is also the meme for the game btw). But even then most if not all their discourse was just comparing Mario's size to them.
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>>555250741
Mario being short doesn't change the shock value from the New Donkers being realistic and yes, tall humans that tower over him. Even with the likes of Peach she's not that tall.
>which is also the meme for the game btw
Meme is a meme word at this point.
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>>555248716
The staff has a direct purpose for the artstyle contrast and the game made use of those contrasts both with higher and lower fidelity 3d assets that paint Mario as a foreign being effectively. The product and the artbook both confirm those things are done with that purpose, your personal assumptions born out of hyperfixation on social media discourse are just bizarre. Are you unable to just leave it at "i did not like that visual choice and wish they hadn't done it"? Do you really need to invent an imaginary scenario where a marketing ploy fucked up a product's integrity just so you can feel "right" about disliking it? Do you even know what the word meme means?
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>>555243542
Donkey Kong is an Nintendo character that literally shared universe with Mario and viceversa.
Donkey Kong was never being "nintendofied" he's already Nintendo, always been. Rarefaggots really need to hammer into their smoothbrained heads that Rare died years ago and these past 3 years have been excellent for a Donkey Kong fan and that's because Nintendo finally decided to take matters themselves with their own IP, started combing to see what it stays and it goes out and overall giving shit in order to not centralize everything around Mario and with Rare and Retro's contributions they have material to work on to expand the IP.
Bananza is just the first step.
That anon's just a faggot.
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>overall giving shit in order to not centralize everything around Mario
Except Bananza makes DK play second banana to the Mario series. All of the DKC games were pretty much self contained adventures with the only links being
>That K Rool is back at it again!
Bananza forces DK to fit into the Mario core canon but at the same time it also makes no effort to make that make sense with what Odyssey established. They forced DK into Odyssey without putting any actual effort into it. I know people will point to the statues like they actually matter but it doesn't matter if they pay lip service to what came before when you see the obvious direction they're taking DK as a quirk chungus animal sidekick instead of the leader of the bunch.
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>All of the DKC games were pretty much self contained adventures with the only links being K. Rool
I'm sorry, but you're talking about the same trilogy that did DK, the very MC of that series dirty to give his actual second bananas Diddy and Dixie the spotlight.
And even then, even if they felt self contained, they have always shared the same universe. Cranky Kong is supposed to be proof of that. Unless we are being finally open to the possibility of him being retconned out to be the original Donkey Kong because that was all Rare idea and maybe Nintendo never fully embraced it. Maybe.
>I know people will point to the statues like they actually matter but it doesn't matter if they pay lip service to what came before when you see the obvious direction they're taking DK as a quirk chungus animal sidekick instead of the leader of the bunch.
It's interesting you're making allusions to DK64, because that's another game that shat on his gameplay and whatever lick in characterization he had in order to give some rando the spot of the "strong one, So Bananza(aside of Jungle Beat and the Retro games to an extent) was the one game that exploited DK strength and on how to actually apply it into a gameplay.
And yes, I can agree that there is a direction they are trying to get the IP into I'm not denying that, but I honestly can't see it being a negative thing. It was always a matter of time for Nintendo decided to bring back DK to his roots, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are getting rid of the foundations Rare did or the additional stuff Retro contributed.
Yes, there are things that they have to change in order to fit what they want to do, but if we actually think about it, those things are usually superficial stuff.
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>I'm sorry, but you're talking about the same trilogy that did DK, the very MC of that series dirty to give his actual second bananas Diddy and Dixie the spotlight.
That doesn't change that they were relatively self contained adventures, DK still felt like DK in them even if he got kidnapped, he even gets the final punch in on K Rool outside of the secret rematch.
>It's interesting you're making allusions to DK64, because that's another game that shat on his gameplay
I don't like DK64, but one bad game outside of the DKC series doesn't really tar the DKC games, when he still feels like DK in it. DK never had to be the strongest guy ever, the massive strength where he punches people to the moon is a DKC Returns thing. Bananza picking up on that for the smashing isn't a bad thing, but it's not some great justice for DK like you're trying to get across.
Nintendo trying to decide what to do with DK isn't a bad thing but the direction they're going with it is definitely cause for concern. They aren't even bringing DK back to his roots really, that's the thing. People say that Bananza DK is like the original DK but he isn't. Bananza DK feels like Pauline's sidekick who mentally regressed back to when he was like 12 in Kong years. If they're serious about not leaving DKC behind then that'll probably be mostly alleviated in a new one of those but it's how his Bananza depiction leaks into his depictions in other games that's concerning.
I can give credit to Bananza for one thing though, Emerald Rush is by far the best part of Bananza. It makes you try to go fast and as a result it's pretty much thing requiring some skill in it. Emerald Rush makes you feel like you have to learn the game more. Bananza pre-DLC rarely required you to think or be that careful.
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I don't. I remember when I first hacked my 3ds and gave myself item cheats in MK7, the first thing I did online was target only metal mario players by spamming a fuck ton of items at them while all the other racers not playing as him got to complete laps. It was the best thing I've ever felt doing in mario kart.
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>Today, I have something extremely special to show!
>This is an unproduced episode premise for The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3, written by Perry Martin, "You Bet Your Lasagna!", dated March 27, 1990.
>A very amusing premise that unfortunately never made it to fruition.
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>Mario, Toad, Peach get brand new poses
>Luigi meanwhile gets Mario's leftover pose (mirrored)
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Yet it creates inconsistencies.
Because what if (what if) NoJ finally decides to cut out the bullshit and reaffirms that the OG trio are all the same again and retcon Cranky as just being DK's cheeky grandpa?
Who's fault's gonna be? NoA localization team probably weren't as bad as the ones from other companies, but they have had their stories too. Even though I agree with you they usually are more strict and are on the same wavelength with the Japanese.
My point is that, that Cranky dialogue in Bananza was and is unnecessary. Not having it avoid potential shit in case of legit changes in future games.
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Just because they have gotten better lately doesn't mean they can't have slip ups.
It's one thing to slightly change Dixie's dialogue implying DK and Pauline are having a "date" in the Racing Layer (still unnecessary to change in my humble opinion) and completely another to make Cranky say a whole dialogue he never said in the first place and for no reason.
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The cockiness traspassed to Rosalina
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I think it speaks (and adds) a bit more about Dixie's characterization and personality than anything else plus the context was more humorous.
But now that you're mentioning DK's age, I guess we cannot jump into conclusions about it either, because he might as well be a teenager too. The development team didn't want to disclose it last year in an interview it for some reason when directly asked. It could also explain why he feels a bit more jovial in this than previous installments.
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I don't think Nintendo want to acknowledge that his age doesn't make much sense. He's the same age as Mario so 25, meaning he would be the same age as Pauline in Bananza but that would mean DK was probably only like 10 during the DKC games which very much wasn't the original intention.
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Well, DK and Mario might not be the exact same age as her, just them being couple of years older as much. Just a sensible guess, of course, because sure, him being like 10 during DKC definitely won't add up, in any case, something bound to be changed in this setting. We just need to wait to see what.
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Is it really a retcon? Or is it just us gaslighting ourselves by clutching to that one bit Rare said (and Nintendo letting it "pass" but never fully acknowledging it) and we insisting it's "canon" when it's just a thing that was only endorsed by Nintendo of America, like "Princess Toadstool" or the Koopalings being Bowser's kids and it was never canon in the first place?
I just remembered Diddy was originally going to be DKjr until Rare was told to make him a different character. Maybe the country series were prequels of the Arcade games.
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> like "Princess Toadstool" or the Koopalings being Bowser's kids
They were always portrayed as Bowser's children in the original SMB3, even in Japan. I think people get it mixed up with the kids only being named with the western release.
As for "Princess Toadstool", the Shindou version of Mario 64 didn't change the voiceover for the letter, so take that as you will.
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>>555393349
I'm gonna be perfectly honest with you guys
The "Nintendo is beating Disney" discourse made me roll my eyes because they're just wanking off one corrupt corporation with a fanbase of arrested development sycophantic adults over the other corrupt corporation with a fanbase of arrested development sycophantic adults
The Mario movie wasn't even that good
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i don't see how nintendo is disney level corrupt when the only thing they do is take down shit that has their shit in it
disney actively sabotages other companies and has a monopoly on top of being responsible for messing with copyright laws and having ties with the government.
nintendo is small fry compared to that, like the biggest thing nintendo has done is make someone pay off a big debt because he had a whole modchip hack market.
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>nintendo is small fry compared to that, like the biggest thing nintendo has done is make someone pay off a big debt because he had a whole modchip hack market.
I don't like Palworld but the whole patent shit was pretty fucking bad
Still I don't mean to say Nintendo is AS bad as Disney at their worst but it's still pretty pathetic to suck up one megacorp over the other
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Nintendo may not have actively messed with copyright laws, but they tried to actively sabotage Palworld and claims ownership to various game concepts and mechanics they have no business owning.
Nintendo would do everything Disney does if it got a chance.
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>abluu bluu palworld!
ENOUGH.
Get out of my realm AND my thread!
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Nintendo has the copyright trolling and the legion of fanboys that grew up with it from a young age and ardently defend their every action because of that. Not to mention both of them have been very specific in the past about how their mascots are represented with Perfect Mario and Disney's Mickey Ear autism. Combine that with other things like getting into the theme park business and how both Disney and Nintendo really don't care for the talent they've built up through Disney's Disney kids, and Nintendo's voice actors. Luckily Nintendo could never be quite as bad Disney in that regard. Also they very much tried to pull the Disney Vault on people with the limited run of a few games like 3D All Stars and the original Fire Emblem on Switch. Both Disney and Nintendo have also allegedly stolen fan renders to use as their own material.
Disney and Nintendo have plenty of similarties.
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>Nintendo has the copyright trolling and -
So does Capcom. And Sega. And Sony Studios. Literally all japanese studios handle copyrighting mechanics and shit this way, it's industry standard there, and it is also flat out false to claim Nintendo tends to throw their weight around on daily basis considering Palworld was the first time they really tried to headbutt a competitor that was making product similar to theirs in long years of existence.
>They have fans that defend them
Every brand online does.
>Limited run product exists
Every company does those.
>really don't care for the talent they've built up through Disney's Disney kids, and Nintendo's voice actors
Nobody does. Kojima himself flat out avoided Snake's old voice actors at a convention once just to avoid seeing him after switching him out for Hollywood talent.
It feels like you're acting like Nintendo and Disney are the final bosses of the mediatic landscape because you want to be mad at them despite the fact being ruthless is industry standard.
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Nintendo was always the most litigious of the Japanese video game companies. Remember back when they always used to take down Nintendo videos on Youtube? They were always the worst for it out of all Japanese studios. Heck, like Disney they both tried to do a creator program on Youtube. As far as romhacks and fangames are concerned, where Nintendo want people to take it down other companies like Sega and Capcom have done so in the past but they've also extended olive branches. None are quite so happy to destroy fan projects as Nintendo are.
>Every brand online does.
True, but Disney fans and Nintendo fans are a special brand in that there are certain sections of the fandoms that almost view their respective company as a god or some kind of father figure stemming from the company always being there for them from childhood. It's like the relationship between a beaten housewife and her husband. So many excuses being made for them.
>Every company does those.
With merch, not actual games. It was Nintendo trying the Disney Vault.
>Nobody does
There's levels. Hayter being abandoned was bad, but Martinet basically defined Mario when they decided to completely ditch the gruff Brooklyn plumber portrayal across all media. And the main reason Nintendo did it was just because there was backlash at Chris Pratt.
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>I hope the movie frees Bowser Jr. from Clown Car hell.
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>They were always portrayed as Bowser's children in the original SMB3, even in Japan. I think people get it mixed up with the kids only being named with the western release.
But Miyamoto said not long ago they aren't.
I think this is pretty much an indicator NoJ might (and can) just come out and clarify Cranky was never the OG DK if they one to.
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Sure, they aren't now, but "The Koopalings are no longer being Bowser's kids" is different from "The Koopalings never were Bowser's kids".
Likewise, Miyamoto could say "Cranky never was the original Donkey Kong" but he could also say "Cranky currently is not the original Donkey Kong" (though in fairness, Nintendo seems to treat current DK as the OG or an equivalent, so I'll agree that Cranky has more ambiguity).
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>They gave the Clown Car generic robot arms instead of the robotical arms from NSMBU
These movies are so utterly crap that despite being nothing but memberberries they can't even do memberberries right
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We don't actually know if they were his kids in the OG SMB3 though. The manual text calls them a term that can mean children but also can easily mean "disciple".
And considering the fact that zero Nintendo-made content ever characterized them as his kids it's kind of weird to imagine they really were meant to be his children.
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>The manual text calls them a term that can mean children but also can easily mean "disciple".
Does it? They're referred to on a pamphlet as Bowser's "Kodomo" which seems to strictly mean "child/children", Larry uses the term "オヤジ" which means "Father", and guides at the time called them the "Koopa Family" or "Royal Family".
>And considering the fact that zero Nintendo-made content ever characterized them as his kids
That's because Nintndo didn't really do much with them beyond gameplay at the time. Because Junior is Bowser's right hand and the games in general started to have more in-game plot, they were able to build up his relationship with Bowser compared to the Koopalings who just acted as bosses.
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>>555404907
Top kek at the disgusting bloodshot eyes looking even worse on the toy. What were they thinking?
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>>555412583
I don't understand the appeal of following Youtubers where 99% of his content boils down to "watch things and say in the most milquetoast way possible that they are slightly excited but not too much lest you think I'm a shill"
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>None are quite so happy to destroy fan projects as Nintendo are.
Sorry mate, but Nintendo (and pretty much every other company) are quite happy to destroy fan projects if money is involved.
>It's like the relationship between a beaten housewife and her husband. So many excuses being made for them.
Those kinds of fans can be found anywhere where a big name company is involved (and some small time companies as well). They are not exclusive to Disney and Nintendo.
>With merch, not actual games. It was Nintendo trying the Disney Vault.
I'll give you this. And guess what, enough Nintendo fans didn't support this so Nintendo's shelved that idea for now. All we gotta do is to make them shelve the idea again if they try to do this again.
>And the main reason Nintendo did it was just because there was backlash at Chris Pratt.
You're going to have to give actual evidence for this, or else it's stuff you made up out of your ass.
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I pirated the film to rewatch it for the first time since I saw it in theaters and what the actual fuck is this screenwriting?
Peach: i love muh toads and wanna protect them thats my motivation and why im taking this quest alone and its dangerous so mario has to do a training course
Peach: anyway who is this nigga toad? idk who he is, but he says hes brave so i'll bring him along on this dangerous mission
Peach: wtf bowser is putting my beloved toad in danger!! ill surrender!!!
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>>555398773
You say that when Scamco patented loading screens...
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All japanese companies patent shit they use in their games because japanese lawfare works exclusively on covering your ass hoping someone won't try to fuck with you. Nintendo themselves got fucked once because motion control technology they used on the Wiimote that they didn't patent ended up being used by someone else who then decided to sue them over it.
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>People call Rosalina a princess for some reason
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No, I was banned and decided to stop coming here. Also now that I check the last thread someone credits me for all the arguments on here, hillarious. And apparently the fact this general even stays alive.
Unlike most of you I work and have a family to feed....
And me not liking current era Nintendo and Mario was just enough to stay away from here like a week until I saw that Arlo video.
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Yeah i remember.
Bowser has become a redditcore gag manga character over the years.
Good thing the classics don't ever go away.
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>the one closest to early Bowser is a piece of shit
>one and done concept to justify BotWslop Mario, also safe edgy giant bowser for PL spics
you don't hate "Smash Trash", you're just waiting until Sackofrice to fully cereal mascotfy Bowser next game.
Melee and Brawl are the last actual good Smash games btw
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Yeah, they did it back in 1993. It's kino.
In all honesty, though, I don't think I've ever heard a good critique of that movie. The sets are cool, the puppets are good, the pacing is solid, the characters are likable, and everyone turns in a good performance, especially Hoskins and Hopper. But people talk about it like it's the worst thing ever made just because Mario doesn't collect coins and jump on turtles for the entire runtime.
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>you don't hate "Smash Trash", you're just waiting until Sackofrice to fully cereal mascotfy Bowser next game.
No Smash trash is garbage.
>>the one closest to early Bowser is a piece of shit
>>one and done concept to justify BotWslop Mario, also safe edgy giant bowser for PL spics
He's not and turns into an extreme spic accommodating fantasy (Giga Bowser). Fury Bowser is way better. Just say you're a fake fan.
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Oh, you know. About the usual. People are running around angry about everything that's fact, coming to poor misinformed conclusions and being angrier about things that couldn't possibly be true, and just simply creating a feedback loop of rage.
Can you actually believe that people are blaming all the Tomodachi stuff on the new NoA President, who only just stepped into the role and would have no way of making those kinds of changes that quickly? Shit's dumb, yeah, but holy shit. Retards, the lot of them.
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Don't agree with the chart but he was in at least the first game and probably every game before late 1990s. He only took Peach for total control reasons in the first game. Turning an entire civilization to blocks is a threat and Peach was the only one who could reverse it. I would also call him a threat but to a smaller scale in following games before he just did it out of love.
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I really hope you’re wrong, I am so fucking tired of waiting
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>>555622892
Non-binary shit is stupid but I can appreciate that you can set preferences for Miis. What I really hate is that Nintendo are locking the game down so much. You can't share Miis, and they're trying their hardest to get people to not share images or video from their islands. What's the point? Tomodachi is meant to be a social game but they want all of the players to be isolated.
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>No Smash trash is garbage.
Sure, i totally believe you.
>He's not and turns into an extreme spic accommodating fantasy (Giga Bowser).
The only thing """"""spic""""""" here, at least in what's the urban definition of it, is that he actually looks like a fearsome threat here, but even the actual "ESSENCIA"-touting power level browns immediately gravitate to Furry Bowser because it gives them more material to wank from and it's just the modern design painted in black.
>Just say you're a fake fan.
Just say you love chewing on that boot.
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>>555663489
That game exists it just became something else entirely.
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Doubtful. They've commented on the whole safety aspect of it.
>Nintendo aims to create experiences where players have the freedom to enjoy their Mii characters in their own way. In Tomodachi Life: Living the Dream, this freedom can sometimes lead to humorous, surprising, or unpredictable moments during gameplay.
>While these moments are often fun for players, we recognize that out-of-context scenes may be misunderstood or may not reflect the spirit in which the game is intended to be enjoyed.
>Nintendo is committed to creating experiences that are welcoming and enjoyable for everyone.
>To support this commitment, and in consideration of the unique gameplay in Tomodachi Life: Living the Dream, we have decided to place restrictions on certain image sharing features. These limits help to make the worlds players create in Tomodachi Life: Living the Dream remain fun and safe, and that the game can be enjoyed comfortably by all players.
>We understand that some players may find these restrictions limiting. However, they reflect Nintendo’s ongoing philosophy of creating experiences that bring smiles to everyone who plays.
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They can but they have to shield themselves from any responsability of any misuse of their commercial creation by a third party. I'm actually surprised the game is even being released in Europe as is.
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>>555720871
True. But it's this attitude they're taking that affects the whole game. When it's designed around trying to be as non-controversial as possible what are the chances that there's no custom songs? Can't have people see Hitler and Gandhi duet on a song.
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>Just say you love chewing on that boot.
>The only thing """"""spic""""""" here, at least in what's the urban definition of it, is that he actually looks like a fearsome threat here
Fake fan. Giga Bowser is a complete fanfiction form that doesn't even resemble bowser. It's is only liked by spics because it's complete garbage smash trash fanfiction. Fury Bowser is menacing while also being believable in the series. You're supporting a shit chart that has a 2022 Bowser in the "menacing" side so it's still a recent bowser.
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>>555719293
There was Swapdoodle and the solution to the pedo problem was to slap a paid age gate for the japanese, no Spotpass, and remove the camera function entirely.
They also added a report function, but it was so vague, nobody seemed to give a shit.
I enjoyed the last 3 years getting some nice adult Swapdoodles from my pals at least.
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>>555720064
There's a couple of grassrooters trying to sell a new internet idea that isn't amazingly flawed like the one we're on today.
But honestly, if normies aren't flocking to it, it'll never pick up since it will take forever for the sophisticated to get the wagon moving.
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>Giga Bowser is a complete fanfiction form that doesn't even resemble bowser.
You're gonna hate the entire 5th and early 6th gen if model accuracy is all you care about. nu-Bowser is basically Sakurai Dedede, which is pretty ironic considering he does alot to push against the fan favorite design from Kirby 64.
>It's is only liked by spics because it's complete garbage smash trash fanfiction.
Love how you're still using spic wrongly, i don't think you know why spic got thrown around lot between Dragon Ball fans.
>Fury Bowser is menacing
"Omg giant bowser but black in menacing!" *bites nails*
Pic related (fits since it's fucking nu-spongebob joke)
>You're supporting a shit chart that has a 2022 Bowser in the "menacing" side so it's still a recent bowser.
Because the Strikers artstyle is still awesome, smartass.
If it did became sauceless trash, then that anon or someone else would have already course corrected the image.
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>fan favorite design from Kirby 64
Not this fan's favorite. But I'll recognize it's a popular look.
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>You're gonna hate the entire 5th and early 6th gen if model accuracy is all you care about. nu-Bowser is basically Sakurai Dedede, which is pretty ironic considering he does alot to push against the fan favorite design from Kirby 64.
There's "model accuracy" and "not even Bowser" anymore like pure fanfiction Giga Bowser. Sakurai Dedede and 64 Dedede still follow the Dedede design.
>It's is only liked by spics because it's complete garbage smash trash fanfiction.
>Love how you're still using spic wrongly, i don't think you know why spic got thrown around lot between Dragon Ball fans.
No I'm using it right, wanting Bowser to completely make monster noises and turn into a hideous beast for "le trading speed for ULTIMATE POWER" is complete spic power level shit. And you defending this that much means you're a complete spic.
>"Omg giant bowser but black in menacing!" *bites nails*
Disingenuous that it's just a black bowser, but it's also about the presentation, music, scenery and more. One piece of everything. You don't need extreme change on a good design, just tweaks. Sorry this bowser doesn't look like he fell into some vat of acid for some final boss anime fanfic shit or something like you want desperately. Fury Bowser is just better. Giga Bowser is completely try hard and is just ridiculous, not scary.
>You're supporting a shit chart that has a 2022 Bowser in the "menacing" side so it's still a recent bowser.
>Because the Strikers artstyle is still awesome, smartass.
Still based off the "nu bowser" design you hate so much, so it's completely contradictory of you.
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>>555739997
Large amount of 3d Mario developers just worked on Donkey Kong Bananza. The biggest thing for the Mario anniversary is the upcoming movie sequel. They'd at least give us a trailer that anniversary direct if something like a 3d Mario was coming 2026.
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>>555398536
>Not to mention, this year Mario is going to get creamed by Disney. Can't beat Toy Story 5.
Toy Story 4 didn't beat Nintendo's Mario movie 2023 in box office. It'll be a very close this time whether either wins or loses.
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>>555741732
Koizumi does not work on games personally anymore, he's been promoted far beyond the range of personally working on games, and the people missing are all lead and senior staff, people that would mostly work in pre-production and conceptualization anyway, so them not being on Bananza's credits is meaningless in a matter of 'indication that within just one year that team is going to be able to release ANOTHER big 3D platformer'.
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>>555742461
"I find it highly unlikely Nintendo will have 3D Mario out before 2026 ends" is not remotely the same as not wanting a new 3D Mario to happen and I'm actually baffled you even came to that conclusion.
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>>555740673
With Zootopia 2 and Inside Out 2 breaking Hollywood box office records I imagine Toy Story 5 will get close to doing the same. People are loving Pixar sequels right now and it has the hook of Woody after Toy Story 4. If Zootopia 2 can do 1.74 billion then Toy Story 5's box office could be massive.
Galaxy will probably do little worse than the first but probably still over a billion. There's no novelty factor, and they probably won't have another Peaches.
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>>555740384
You don't know how Nintendo devs work, the only ones that are static are the top leads, of which many are missing from the credits.
The programmers, artists e.t.c. are interchangable between the EPD teams, and even Monolith is shuffled alongside the other EPD teams at times.
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>>555743054
Only if for whatever reason you ignore the fact that chunks of the new hires were planning and programming folks, that many of the hires on art assets are also in the credits of Mario Kart World and only if you also ignore the fact that EPD also did 3D World Port and the Galaxy 1+2 remasters, combined with the fact that development for the Switch2 will take longer than development for Switch 1 games due to the significant power leap.
There is no reason to assume the team will be ready to put out a big 3D platformer right after shipping one last year, specially when it's for a franchise with a fair amount of weight to it that they surely want to be another evergreen well-regarded game.
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Bananza sharing a location with a mainline Mario is a major connection, especially when New Donk is highly important for both Bananza and Odyssey. Combine that with Pauline in Bananza just being a mini version of Odyssey Pauline and DK got a lot more linked to mainline Mario in Bananza.
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>been bringing my 3ds to work so i can play pokemon
>decide on a whim to play 3d land again for the first time in 7 years
>immediately hooked in
why was this never ported to the switch? 3d land is 10x more soulful than 3d world
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i definitely don't think it's a better game than 3D World but the lack of multiplayer means it gets to have a tighter design with less open empty space
It absolutely should get a rerelease though, it's stuck with the dubious title of the only non-remake 3D Mario to not get one
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>>555736514
>"not even Bowser"
Invalid argument considering it bunks down to how it's not in the current direction Nintendo is stuck with.
>pure fanfiction
I don't see what's so fanfic about a scarier or fierce Giant Bowser? In fact, it's the same shit as any edition of Giant Bowser while Fury Bowser is a complete asspull with no simple explanation behind it.
Maybe stop relying on /dbs/ mannerisms and post like an actual humanoid person.
>No I'm using it right
Except you're not, at all, but i guess I'll have to explain in full.
They call each other spics because one side has this huge misplaced nostalgia for Dragon Ball and the other is just sucking Toriyama dick for some of his controversial own decisions, good or bad.
You're just being a low-vocabulary millennial twat who's too irony-brained to see the disneyfication of Bowser taking place here. Basically the equivalent to some sleezeball who think lowbrow parodies are funny.
>completely make monster noises & turn into a hideous beast
A textbook kaiju monster, which was the design standpoint for Bowser in Smash before Sackofrye sanded him down into a dude in a costume.
>"le trading speed for ULTIMATE POWER" is complete spic power level shit
NEVERMIND actual PLfags disregarded Smash because "hurr they're toys stop bringing it up!" but hop off their seats for a mickey'd up recolor because it's outside the realm of Smash and can be hurled at other PLfags.
Not only this accusing never made sense, but also retarded consider diehard Furyfags are all super form spics.
>it's also about the presentation, music, scenery & more
How is it any different from any previous despiction of Giant Bowser aside Sunshine's dogshit ass excuse for it?
>Still based off the "nu bowser" design
Compare both prior Strikers art to the current and tell yourself if nu-Bowser is even a counterpoint? Because who ever directed the artstyle knows he can't fuck it up.
Now if it was a 3D render mimicing the artstyle, that's automatically soulless.
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>Invalid argument considering it bunks down to how it's not in the current direction Nintendo is stuck with.
Deflection. Giga Bowser doesn't look like Bowser in the slightest. It's fanfiction.
>I don't see what's so fanfic about a scarier or fierce Giant Bowser? In fact, it's the same shit as any edition of Giant Bowser while Fury Bowser is a complete asspull with no simple explanation behind it.
It's extremely off-base on what Bowser looks like. I don't know how much delusion you're smoking if you think Giga Bowser isn't fanfic.
>Maybe stop relying on /dbs/ mannerisms and post like an actual humanoid person.
You spend way to much time on /dbs/ to bring it up out of nowhere. Calling something fanfiction doesn't derive from there.
>They call each other spics because one side has this huge misplaced nostalgia for Dragon Ball and the other is just sucking Toriyama dick for some of his controversial own decisions, good or bad.
>You're just being a low-vocabulary millennial twat who's too irony-brained to see the disneyfication of Bowser taking place here. Basically the equivalent to some sleezeball who think lowbrow parodies are funny.
This has no relevence to the argument. Turning Bowser into some zombie looking humunculous with "trade my speed for ULTIMATE POWER" is spic fanfiction plain and simple. Giga Bowser sucks.
>A textbook kaiju monster, which was the design standpoint for Bowser in Smash before Sackofrye sanded him down into a dude in a costume.
Bowser isn't suppose to look like a literal Kaiju. Even Ultraman keeps the design right when making homages.
>PLfags PLfags Plfags toys
You're just constantly spamming deflection about spic shit (which aplies to Giga Bowser extra hard) when we're just talking about designs.
>consider diehard Furyfags are all super form spics.
Enough about Giga Bowser
>different Giant Bowser aside Sunshine's dogshit ass excuse for it?
again
>it's also about the presentation, music, scenery & more
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>>555767282
>>Still based off the "nu bowser" design
>Compare both prior Strikers art to the current and tell yourself if nu-Bowser is even a counterpoint? Because who ever directed the artstyle knows he can't fuck it up.
>Now if it was a 3D render mimicing the artstyle, that's automatically soulless.
Now you're moving goalposts to 2d, 3d. You're having this much of a melty for a chart that still uses current bowser depictions. Your argument is shit.
Also you seem massively insecure about some other outside arguments you experienced on this site or others about "muh PLfags" and other shit that doesn't correlate to the argument about designs and easily applies to what the melee era Sakurai Fanfiction you're deadset on stupidly defending. It's all just bloating up your messages with irrelevant shit and making you seem schizo. Take it somewhere else.
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>Deflection
That's what you been doing this entire time.
>doesn't look like Bowser
and still functions on the same gimmick since then
>It's extremely off-base
Which is what made the design so great, it's actually unique and isn't inhibited due to Sakurai's constantly changing and modernized design philosophies.
>You spend way to much time on /dbs/
Tell that to yourself bringing up the basic
/dbs/tard lingo as soon as the pic got posted.
>Calling something fanfiction doesn't derive from there.
Calling something OFFICIAL fanfiction definitely is, this was just a longtime insult to people who unironicly defend Dragon Ball since it ended in 1994 or after 2013
>This has no relevence
Of course it doesn't, because you're using your favorite /dbs/fag insult wrong, so someone had to explain why you're retarded.
>zombie looking humunculous with "trade my speed for ULTIMATE POWER"
This reads like a ChatGPT'd ritual shitpost. Why did you post "trade my speed for ULTIMATE POWER" twice? Did it trigger out your autism too much?
>Bowser isn't suppose to look like a literal Kaiju
No, he's definitely a textbook monster and, when he's Giant, a kaiju.
Modern Bowser is just all the kids show kaiji spinoffs they did back then, which are STILL super lame btw.
>PLfags PLfags Plfags toys
Love how you're trying to brush away the fact Power Level fags disregard Smash because they want to pull from """canon""" sources and not the game that is just a kids playing with his action figures.
Your narrative is falling apart as well speak here, Furyspic.
>Enough about Giga Bowser
Deflection again, see what i mean?
>again
or actually back your claim.
every Giant Bowser battle, aside Shitshine, is always a le epic finale, so what makes Fury Bowser so different?
>moving goalposts
More so explaining why 2022 Strikers in on the left.
>schizo
Bitch, you're crying about brown people out of nowhere, who are you calling schizo?
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>all this back and forth over Bowser
>and these two lovebirds hate my goat for what's so ever.
This is why he'll never listen to children.
Let him cook.
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>That's what you been doing this entire time.
>No u
>and still functions on the same gimmick since then
Still being extremely off model that only a turbo edgy fake fan would like? Yeah.
>Which is what made the design so great, it's actually unique and isn't inhibited due to Sakurai's constantly changing and modernized design philosophies.
Just say you don't like Bowser. You're digging yourself in a grave.
>/dbs/tard lingo as soon as the pic got posted.
>Calling something OFFICIAL fanfiction definitely is, this was just a longtime insult to people who unironicly defend Dragon Ball since it ended in 1994 or after 2013
Doesn't derive from /dbs/. 2013 Dragon Shit was still made by Toriyama. Sakurai didn't make Bowser. Giga Bowser is automatically = Fanfiction from him.
>Of course it doesn't, because you're using your favorite /dbs/fag insult wrong, so someone had to explain why you're retarded.
You're the one bringing up spics and PLfags out of nowhere in the argument.
>This reads like a ChatGPT'd ritual shitpost. Why did you post "trade my speed for ULTIMATE POWER" twice? Did it trigger out your autism too much?
More deflection and not an argument. Just reminding you of the spic shit you're defending.
>No, he's definitely a textbook monster and, when he's Giant, a kaiju.
He doesn't look like a literal typical Kaiju. Stop dicksucking Sakurai headcanon.
>Modern Bowser is just all the kids show kaiji spinoffs
You don't like Bowser then.
>Deflection again, see what i mean?
You literally did the same thing the earlier post when I reminded you of the stupid lore they gave Melee bowser.
>every Giant Bowser battle, aside Shitshine, is always a le epic finale, so what makes Fury Bowser so different? Sunshine
You didn't play the game. It's not just a finale.
2022 Strikers being in the menacing side contradicts you, no matter your cope.
>you're crying about brown people out of nowhere
YOU BROUGHT UP THE "LE SPICS" DEFLECTION FIRST, SCHIZO. >>555578391
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>>555773258
To elaborate Fury Bowser also isn't just a finale, he's with you the entire game and changes presentation and scenery every so often if you actually played it along with other mechanics.
Also your autism is completely off the charts. Bowser hasn't changed much since the 1900s and you're whining about about some disneyfication conspiracy like some deranged schizo. Get a grip.
Even in this chart >>555544632 most of the menacing bowser designs are extremely similar to the """modern""" bowser you're having a meltdown about that's been here for ages, even if we remove the included 2022 Strikers Bowser that a dumbass like you move constant goalposts for. Just shut up already with this non-problem.
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>Still being extremely off model that only a turbo edgy fake fan would like?
Turbo edgelords love Fury Bowser, so i don't know what you even mean?
At least Giga Bowser has a lot of subtle charm to it.
>Just say you don't like Bowser.
I don't like Modern Bowser and i refuse to eat the boot or lick Sakurai's nuts.
>Doesn't derive from /dbs/.
You can search the archive and it'll ping you results from many threads involving /dbs/ autism, especially when they bring up that card game too.
>2013 Dragon Shit was still made by Toriyama.
Still called fanfiction by /dbs/
>Sakurai didn't make Bowser
Officially approved and owned by Nintendo like anything else they didn't work on.
>You're the one bringing up spics and PLfags out of nowhere
and you proudly went with it to the point of obsession, it's called gaslighting.
The best part is that you don't have any real evidence that Giga Bowser fans are brown of any sort or obsessed with power scaling, because they're always shun out by the spics.
>He doesn't look like a literal typical Kaiju
I'm definitely seeing a big monster here.
>You don't like Bowser then.
Imagine liking Mininilla or that weird Mothra spinoff.
>2022 Strikers being in the menacing side contradicts you
Go ahead and tell me what makes 2022 Strikers different from the 2000s then, they're all the same and still isn't spoiled unlike the unaltered modern bowser or fury bowser.
>To elaborate Fury Bowser
is another epic Giant Bowser finale, now with incoherent oc garbage like black ink and forced Sunshine references.
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>>555773430
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>>555775261
>Turbo edgelords love Fury Bowser, so i don't know what you even mean?
>At least Giga Bowser has a lot of subtle charm to it.
What do you mean subtle charm? You're just saying "my form has charm and yours doesn't" you're just biased of that off model shitty bowser.
>I don't like Modern Bowser and i refuse to eat the boot or lick Sakurai's nuts
Modern Bowser extremely similar to old Bowser schizo. We're not talking about Sakurai shit either. This is main game stuff
>You can search the archive and it'll ping you results from many threads involving /dbs/ autism, especially when they bring up that card game too.
>2013 Dragon Shit was still made by Toriyama
>Still called fanfiction by /dbs/
>Officially approved and owned by Nintendo like anything else they didn't work on
You are obsessed with /dbs/ and the point is Sakurai didn't make Bowser like Toriyama made his 2013 shit. Sakurai injected tons of headcanon to characters he didn't make
>and you proudly went with it to the point of obsession, it's called gaslighting
>The best part is that you don't have any real evidence that Giga Bowser fans are brown of any sort or obsessed with power scaling, because they're always shun out by the spics
So you admit you brought up your schizo shit first. You also kept repeating it too. You have no evidence Fury Bowser is powerscaling.At least he's on model and not a complete shitty ridiculously proportioned fanfic form, which goes hand in hand with powerscaling headcanon Giga Bowser. You've been pulling shit out of your ass and I'm just giving you your own medicine
>I'm definitely seeing a big monster here
He doesn't look like a literal Kaiju, your entire argument stems that he doesn't look like your off model sakurai headcanon
>Imagine liking Mininilla or that weird Mothra spinoff
Schizo
>Epic Giant Bowser finale,2000s 2022 Strikers, forced Sunshine references.
Again it's not just in a finale, Play the game
Also it's literally still the nu-bowser. Your argument is shit.
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>What do you mean subtle charm?
At least it's telling you it's a kaiju without giving it away
>Modern Bowser extremely similar to old Bowser
Nope
>We're not talking about Sakurai shit either
You mean Smash Bowser after Brawl? I thought you loved your cuddly daddy modern Bowser
>You are obsessed with /dbs/
Because /dbs/ sucks
>Sakurai didn't make Bowser
Nintendo still approved it, just like Toriyama greenlit a lot of stuff after 1994
>So you admit you brought up your schizo shit first
Is it schizo when you stuck with it anyways?
>You have no evidence Fury Bowser is powerscaling.
Aside all the endless Bowser vs Eggman topic that took place here, /v/, and /co/ or the fact its highly favorable to super form spics because it's not a heckin' toy.
>He doesn't look like a literal Kaiju
He definitely looks like a kaiju.
>Again it's not just in a finale
Even though Bowser's Fury literally presents itself as one from the get go.
>>555779915
They're free to stop responding. I could too, but i just don't feel like it at the moment.
or you can easily wash away the debacle by bringing up something else, the ball is in your court.
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>>555779915
I don't fucking understand you, bitches. They are having a discussion of a Mario character, granted it's autism fueled but they're almost perfectly on topic on a fucking Super Mario general.
You can also bring up a new topic that's not people gaslighting themselves Rosalina has "big tits" or being a faggot for Luigi
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>>555773749
As someone that has been autistically obsessed with Bowser and all things Mario from a young age I think the only really big design change he had was when 3D models started rolling in and they had to make his limbs a bit more flexible and articulated to move around in 3D.
Look at his original art and sprites from SMB1 and his legs are so short and chubby and his arms are also pretty short. That 1990 Bowser seems like it was drawn when they were already noticing those limitations since they clearly gave him thicker arms and defined elbows and his legs would sometimes be often longer when they were needed to be in expressive poses.
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>not in mario kart world
>not in smash ultimate
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>>555791390
>At least it's telling you it's a kaiju without giving it away
"Without giving it away", maybe if you're blind.
>Nope
You're massively autistic. Bowser hasn't changed much for decades. Old Bowser and Modern Bowser are extremely similar.
>You mean Smash Bowser after Brawl? I thought you loved your cuddly daddy modern Bowser
We're talking about main games. Which that Bowser design that has been here since pre-2000s and pre smash's existence.
>Nintendo still approved it, just like Toriyama greenlit a lot of stuff after 1994
>Because /dbs/ sucks
Still not made by Miyamoto. Just Sakurai forcing headcanon. Which people complain about even outside of 4chan and and /dbs/.
>Is it schizo when you stuck with it anyways?
You literally started the deflection and kept repeating it. Then tried to lie that I did. Stop trying to run away from your actions.
>Aside all the endless Bowser vs Eggman topic that took place here, /v/, and /co/ or the fact its highly favorable to super form spics because it's not a heckin' toy.
/v/ and other places are full of spics that love how "le outlandish" and fanfic fueled Giga Bowser is for the same reasons. I even see it brought up in power level debates too even though it's from a different continuity entirely. Stop acting like Giga Bowser is free from this shit. Disingenuous shitter.
>He definitely looks like a kaiju.
"Looks like" doesn't mean "literal". You're also contradicting yourself and saying Bowser looks fine after all? The same one that's been with us since pre 2000s.
>Even though Bowser's Fury literally presents itself as one from the get go.
Look up the definition of what "Finale" is. It's obviously not just that.
>>555779915
He's in a sunk cost fallacy since he knows his chart is complete shit and includes """modern bowser"""" anyway. They can leave the conversation any time once they actually realize this (hopefully after this post). They already were wrong from the beginning and keep moving goalposts because of it.
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>Miyamoto is in the Epstein files
FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUCK NO!!
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>easily wash away the debacle
>just bring a new topic on the Super Mario general
You're just damage controlling. Nothing can be brought up with 2 posters spamming wall of text greentexts that take entire scrolls of the page to get through. Just move on or argue normally.
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>>555803394
>Going on /pol/
Found the diddyblud
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>>555803114
Different Miyamoto, but you probably already knew that little detail you faggot.
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>>555802132
>maybe if you're blind.
If it was an oversized lizard crashing cities, then yes. It wouldn't be stuble.
>You're massively autistic
Says the loser crying about people preferring old bowser
>We're talking about main games
and Smash is slowly going toward that lame direction. We're only not in it now because the last game was a gay asset flip of Smash WiiU.
>Still not made by Miyamoto
Doesn't matter plus most of Toriyama stuff are mostly afterthoughts before he did his final input.
>You literally started the deflection
and hunker down on the most pathetic accusation since i gaslit your ass.
>/v/ and other places are full of spics that love how "le outlandish" and fanfic fueled Giga Bowser is for the same reasons
Wrong on all accounts, Smash, exclusively the material for it, is anti-spic repellent because they're autistic about how fun spinoffs aren't 1:1 translation of the source material.
>Looks like" doesn't mean "literal
But definitely does means literal
>Look up the definition of what "Finale" is
I know what it means, I want you to tell me what makes the entire game and Fury Bowser going Spic Mode Lv.2 then literally zombie-eyed Giant Bowser distinct enough to not be a bundled finale.
>his chart
Love when people love to spread lies online.
>moving goalposts
What goalpost did i move?
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>>555806254
Here's the context if you're interested.
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>>555806131
>If it was an oversized lizard crashing cities, then yes. It wouldn't be stuble. v
It's ALREADY not subtle at all, schizo
>Says the loser crying about people preferring old bowser
Old Bowser and the Bowser from 2010s are extremely similar. You're the massive loser here trying to make nothing conspiracies.
>and Smash is slowly going toward that lame direction. We're only not in it now because the last game was a gay asset flip of Smash WiiU.
>Doesn't matter plus most of Toriyama stuff are mostly afterthoughts before he did his final input.
That still heavily involves the creator. Unlike Sakurai headcanon on characters Miyamoto and others created.
>and hunker down on the most pathetic accusation since i gaslit your ass.
You admitting to "gaslighting" already confirms all what you said so far are lies and that you're just a shitposter stirring shit, so thanks for exposing yourself? Why act smug about this? You're bringing up spics every chance you get and say others are the only ones repeating it when you started it. You're a schizo.
>Wrong on all accounts, Smash, exclusively the material for it, is anti-spic repellent because they're autistic about how fun spinoffs aren't 1:1 translation of the source material
Nope I'm right. Smash is also not spic repellent. Many spics love non canon forms to inject their headcanon into. You're not convincing anyone that Giga Bowser isn't spic shit.
>But definitely does means literal
Then you are contradicting yourself
>I know what it means, I want you to tell me what makes the entire game and Fury Bowser going Spic Mode Lv.2 then literally zombie-eyed Giant Bowser distinct enough to not be a bundled finale
Not a finale. And the only Zombie looking spic bowser is Giga Bowser.
>Love when people love to spread lies online.
>What goalpost did i move?
You defending that blunder of a chart this hard is just the same. And you've been moving goalposts that a 2022 bowser isn't nu bowser for the entire thread. Shut up already.
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>>555807019
>Old Bowser and the Bowser from 2010s are extremely similar
Wrong on all accounts.
>It's ALREADY not subtle at all
Do you consider dragons, for example, as skyscraper crushing kaijus or something?
>That still heavily involves the creator.
Irrelevant, also Toriyama was VERY indulgent when he did his versions of Super Saiyan God and 4 opposed to Miyamoto giving Giga Bowser a greenlight each time he gets to reappear.
Not to mention that Sakurai admitted Giga Bowser was supposed to look way edgier than the final version, thankfully Nintendo had a sense of competence for greenlighting a perfected menacing design...despite making the Shitshine Giant Bowser fight.
>You admitting to "gaslighting" already confirms all what you said so far are lies
What lies? Still mad i exposed your butt earlier?
>you're just a shitposter stirring shit
Says the guy who goes on regular "tough guy" melties whenever Smash gets brought up casually. You're no Lee Goldson but you're on that sort of path.
>Nope I'm right
Said pic related
>You're not convincing anyone that Giga Bowser isn't spic shit.
Maybe within your safe space general, unless you're gonna go tard mode and try to retain an agenda like some failed lolcow.
>Smash is also not spic repellent.
Then why do they seethe whenever someone brings Smash into the equation? Especially when someone wants to talk about Captain Falcon and Ness matchups. You instantly get "nooo stop Smash is nuncanon waaah".
>Then you are contradicting yourself
Look up what definitely means or don't bother responding back
>Not a finale.
>"Doesn't count!"
Lol
>Zombie looking spic bowser
Look at this /dbs/ reject misusing his favorite insults again. At least Giga Bowser still has his eyesight.
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Why are you two pretending that Old Bowser isn't the same guy that gets characterized like a buffoon in SMRPG and Paper Mario and Nu Bowser isn't the same guy that gets characterized like a buffoon in Paper Mario and Mario and Luigi?
The character has very rarely, in his entire life, had moments where he got played off genuinely menacing.
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>>555810380
>Wrong on all accounts.
You are a schizo.
Old Bowser and """Modern""" Bowser are similar. You massive schizo.
>Do you consider dragons, for example, as skyscraper crushing kaijus or something?
Now the Kaiju inspiration is just a dragon? Pick a lane, goalpost spammer.
>Irrelevant, also Toriyama was VERY indulgent when he did his versions of Super Saiyan God and 4 opposed to Miyamoto giving Giga Bowser a greenlight each time he gets to reappear.
>Not to mention that Sakurai admitted Giga Bowser was supposed to look way edgier than the final version, thankfully Nintendo had a sense of competence for greenlighting a perfected menacing design...despite making the Shitshine Giant Bowser fight.
Miyamoto never touched the Giga Bowser fanfic. Nintendo published it only, you're grasping at straws. And holy shit did Sunshine kill your grandma? A Mario game making a reference to a Mario game is normal you spastic schizo.
So Sakurai admitted he was trying to extremely edgify bowser and you ate it up like a spic.
>What lies? Still mad i exposed your butt earlier?
>Says the guy who goes on regular "tough guy" melties whenever Smash gets brought up casually. You're no Lee Goldson but you're on that sort of path.
You just admitted all your posts are gaslighting. You've lost. You also lied about not bringing spics up first when you did. Everyone can see you are lying hard.
>Maybe within your safe space general, unless you're gonna go tard mode and try to retain an agenda like some failed lolcow.
>Projection
You're the one going on schizo rants of a Bowser who hasn't changed much for decades because he isn't your giga fanfic. Which anyone can see.
>Then why do they seethe whenever someone brings Smash into the equation? Especially when someone wants to talk about Captain Falcon and Ness matchups. You instantly get "nooo stop Smash is nuncanon waaah".
Do you see how schizo you're being yourself along with lying constantly? This is why people hate smashfags.
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>>555816385
>Said pic related
You're out of ammo with these childish remarks.
>Look up what definitely means or don't bother responding back
You're just copying what I'm saying now. You already are on a massive contradiction the moment you dicksucked that chart that already has "le nu bowser" in menacing. You're not escaping this or your "I'LL TRADE SPEED FOR ULTIMATE BOWSER" Giga Bowser off model fanfic. You call Fury Bowser spic out of nowhere, Giga Bowser is that in spades. And I'll keep repeating that until you stop deflecting.
>>"Doesn't count!"
You are a complete moron. Fury Bowser is not a finale locked fight. How many times are you going to make a fool out of yourself. Play the game.
>Zombie looking spic bowser
>Look at this /dbs/ reject misusing his favorite insults again. At least Giga Bowser still has his eyesight.
HOW
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Are you the biggest schizo every? How is "Zombie Looking Spic Bowser" a /dbs/ insult. Are you just using that shitty /a/ general as a buzzword to try to win arguments? You are the biggest tard I've witnessed and a massively disingenuous debator. Just stop replying, holy shit you are annoying.
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>>555828552
it do be like that
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Making Bowser and and other monster/animal characters only make animal noises and shit is the cringiest shit Sakurai has done in smash games.
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>>555830408
Giga Bowser was said by Sakurai created in response to Bowser becoming cuter. The NES era was Bowser at his most terrifying and he got more cuter over time. Makes sense when you also consider him being an oaf in the SNES and N64 RPGs.
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>>555831292
Funny.
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>>555831292
>NES Bowser IS a lot more threatening than 64 Bowser. 64 Bowser is too cute.
NTA but 64 Bowser is also listed as threatening here >>555544632 , the standards for this menacing discourse is all over the place.
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>>555831457
It's no laughing matter.
>>555831905
It's almost like things have gotten even worse after the N64, not better. Bowser has gotten less and less menacing over the years. The zoomer that made that image probably groups the entirety of Mario pre-Wii together.
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>>555832759
Bowser has been like this since 1988. NES Bowser is hardly the Bowser standard since he was that for like at most 3 years (and it only was his sprite, his official art for SMB1 was still very cartoony). Bowser is Bowser.
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Back then art was secondary for games. Sprites were what mattered. Even SMW Bowser had a threatening sprite. But Bowser eventually got less and less threatening, and by the end of the N64's life, he was dumbass Bowser from Paper Mario 64.
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>>555832759
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Bowser is inherently destined to be more of a bully and a jerk ala Bluto than actually pure evil simply because Koopas simply don't look evil.
Put Bowser next to Koopa Troopas and he immediately looks less intimidating and Koopas were never even meant to be intimidating to begin with
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Forgot image.
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>>555850185
Turtles (for the most part) aren't scary
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>>555849819
The closest thing to intimidating in the entire Mario franchise is the SM64 Eel and I'm pretty sure it's more of a OOT Ganon situation where the design isn't that scary as much as the limited 90s 3D graphics is making it feel more eerie than it was meant to be.
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>>555859379
Mimi herself isn't scary, but her cutscene of twisting her neck and constantly chasing you in her monster form definitely scared young people. I'd say the same for that deep sea tooth cleaning job for the sea monster in Mario Sunshine and the creepy atmosphere for Luigi's Mansion 1.
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>>555907320
I really am not sure if that is true though. We have seen how Miyamoto's staff made sprites all the way back in DK Arcade and they literally did hand drawn illustrations first and then tried to make that fit a pixel-y version of it on graph paper.
It's not like they were just, like, spriting first with no clear visual direction of what they imagined for each enemy and object.
We also know from Kotabe's memoirs that when he came to Nintendo his first job was drawing the pidgit enemy and his flying magic carpet for Doki Doki Panic so that's another sign that the art was the "proper representation" of what they wanted.
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>>555849819
I think that's in part due to Miyamoto just not preferring villains that are pure evil. Per that one Galaxy 2 interview:
>“I feel that even if all that you have is that the villain is just simply a villain and you fight them, and you throw them down, and you find out, well, that wasn’t such a bad villain after all, that’s enough story for ultimately what is just about a very fun experience,” he added.
>A villain that’s not actually all bad is a recurring theme in the Mario games. Miyamoto has said before that his first villain, Donkey Kong, was just “misunderstood,” not evil. He reinforced this point in his very next game, Donkey Kong Jr., in which Mario was the villain and Donkey Kong’s son was the protagonist.
Which also tracks with how he allegedly wanted Goldeneye to end.
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The art works as a foundation, but the sprite is what people are meant to identify with. Does anyone remember Cape SMB3 Bowser?
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>>555916663
"Miyamoto prefers it when the villains have fun aspects to them beyond villainy" doesn't equal "Miyamoto will make games with nothing but super evil villains that are evil and scary for his entire life".
Like the article itself mentions we only found out Donkey Kong had a son that looked out for him on the second game, in the first one DK is just a clean cut antagonist, and like the anon above me mentioned, Bowser only started getting details that made him funnier like having children in SMB3.
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>>555922838
Most people don't really think the Kart games are canonical depictions of those characters or that those games have a story, and they are right. You have Baby Mario racing against Mario and Metal Mario at the same time after all.
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>>555922838
Bowser in Mario Kart tends to just be a generic turtle, it's not really a funny depiction of him. He's just there. There's a reason why the same joke has gotten recycled about why Bowser is in Mario Kart.
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Essência won, Sakurai lost
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Bowser exists solely to get beat up by Mario and Luigi. Even when he's meant to be big and 'scary' like in Bowser's Fury, he still gets trounced into submission like the big, dumb turtle he is. He's as non-threatening as it gets. He also smells bad!
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>>555916663
Believe it or not, but Ganondorf was intended to have a sort of "Raoh"-esque vibe to him, at least regarding his Ocarina of Time portrayal
>Satoru Takizawa (Character Design): My first impressions of Ganon were of a twisted thief with a complex, and my intention was to create the character in that image. However, the character design team and the script director Toru Osawa told me it wasn’t so, that this time Ganon would be a pretty good guy, a “great fist” like Raou (an anime/videogame character). They wanted to show a more charismatic big-shot, so I changed my thoughts accordingly.
>So, what I mean is “pigs will be pigs,” hey? When Ganondorf transforms, his human face is pulled away and only the pig remains, it can’t be hidden anymore. During the time we were designing him, some of the staff had cold medicine called Kaigen, so they ended up calling Ganon “The God of Colds” or “The Cold Spreader” (Kaiten mascots).
>Naoki Mori (Cinema Scene Director): In this Zelda there are bits of voice acting here and there, but the voice actor in charge of playing Ganondorf in the first cutscene you see really made him seem like a devil, somehow awful and evil. Afterwards I took the actor aside and asked him not to play a demon, but cool and dangerous at the same time. A voice like cheap wine.
Granted, Miyamoto wasn't part of this interview, but he is said to have been involved with Ganondorf's production. I guess the overall vibe is basically, "cool evil" rather than "pure evil".
As for OG Ganon, he's kinda in the same space as NES Bowser in that there's barely enough plot for him to be anything beyond a generic evil
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More Mario games soon.
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