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>What is Morimens?
A Slay the Spire inspired card gacha featuring elements from the Cthulhu Mythos

>Official Links
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3052450/Morimens/
https://x.com/morimensofcl

>Arc 2 Chapter 4 PV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rmkXTIDAfc

>Current Events (V2.4.2)
[Rerun Awakenings: Daffodil/Miryam/Doresain] 2026/1/12 - 2026/2/9
[Character Event Awakening: Xu] 2026/1/26 - 2026/2/23
[WoD Event Awakening: Vain Regrets] 2026/1/26 - 2026/2/23
[Gameplay Event: Huangpu Whispers] 2026/1/26 - 2026/2/9

>Upcoming Events (V2.4.3 & beyond)
V2.5: 2026/3/26
V2.6: 2026/6/29
V2.7: 2026/11/16

>Guides & Wikis
https://morimens.huijiwiki.com/
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10UVim8m1SnY9fSDKfaH4AwnPPd22zsCDDNB6SV15yO4/edit?gid=167686509#gid=167686509

>Forgotten Eve
>>554890036
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Invest in Nymphaea now!
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Absolute Axiom doesn't look that great. At least to me.
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>>555438738
>Also OG senior artist returned to the team
not such good news after all, I really liked the new art direction, the eyes are clearer and sharper with none of that blurry smear on them, well not like I can do anything about it really.
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>>555440830
I disagree. I like the original style better. Only a handful of the designs aren't from before he left anyway.
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>If I spend all of my Pure Cores on Realm Study (336) I have a ~43% chance of getting a season 1 character.
man, that kinda sucks ass. It's even smaller odds if I swap to Chaos since Chaos has more characters.
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>>555441773

Unless you're an old fag with 4-5 standard wheels at +12, just don't gamble.
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>>555442016
I'm not. What should I do with Pure Cores, try to get every season 0 Awakener? Or just go for random S0 Wheels that I like the look of?
Would holding it and hoping they update it to put S1 Wheels on the rate up selection be a stupid idea?
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>>555441773
How did you get the 43%? From some quick calcs you have over 81% of getting at least one faded legacy character.

>It's even smaller odds if I swap to Chaos since Chaos has more characters
That's not how it works. When getting an SSR from standard there's a 10% chance it turns into a limited SSR and then rolls one out of the limited options regardless of how many there are.
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>>555442097

1) Pull standard awakers to fill up your roster. How many? Enough for you to do d-zone (five teams)
2) Pull standard wheels that you want +12. Which one? Blade of Titans then whatever fit your roster.

(then a year or two if the game is still alive)

3) Gamble with spooks
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>>555442097
they will never ever let you get +12 Hymn of the Sovereign or Merciful Nurturing for free so you can safely spend them
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>>555442181
I looked at the odds a specific character, in this case it was Tulu (at .17% odds) and used the formuala 100(1-.9983^336)
>>555442316
>>555442332
Gotcha, I'll go do that now. Are Aurita and Erica viable, or should I omit them when counting up to a team of 4 of each realm?
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>>555442434

Aurita is playable only in her own team, so skip counting her if you don't have her team (mainly Corposant and preferably Murphy).

Erica is an acceptable filler to any team with Ultra so yes she is playable.

Lastly, you don't need a team of each realm, only five teams total. This game doesn't have "element".
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>>555442654
But there's achievements for doing it with solo chaos and solo caro etc
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>>555442434
yeah that's correct for getting a specific faded legacy character
the .17% comes from dividing .5% by the number of limited options currently on standard
that's why aiming for a specific one is generally a terrible idea
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>>555441773
rolling standard for the purpose of hitting a limited is a massive waste, think of those as a happy surprise not something you'd go out of your way to aim for. just wait for their banners.
You're better off getting the standard characters to good enlighten levels and then going for blade of the giant +12
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You get a lot of standard pulls in this game
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>>555442683
I think only p-dive has those achievements, and they're not time-limited so you can do it whenever even a year from now. it only requires diff 6 so borrowing kathi/castor/gmurphy should make it easy enough (mono caro is already easy).
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>>555443143
Ohh, no wonder I was getting a bit mixed. I don't have access to D-Zone yet, I'm 3 chapters away from it.
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>>555438738
I just hope the roguelite mode is good and doesn't take too long to release.
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>>555440830
From what Light said it sounded more like she'd be directing the new artists but who knows
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Mystery Xugga
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>Why are we introducing "Absolute Axiom"?

>In-game: We want to reward Keepers who deeply love specific Awakeners and pour all their precious resources into maxing them out. Absolute Axiom provides a reasonable and interesting power boost for these Awakened. We’ve received feedback from Keepers who saved Silver and monthly resources for a long time to reach Psyche Surge+12, only to feel that the actual power increase was disproportionately small compared to the massive investment. Out-of-game: This serves as an incentive for players to pursue the limit of an Awakened’s potential. Whether through long-term F2P resource accumulation or direct support via purchases, this strengthens long-term engagement and improves our revenue. This increased revenue is essential for us to better support the development of future content


aa for limiteds is pretty much confirmed
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>Why is more revenue needed to support future development?

>During our 2nd Anniversary, we achieved miraculous progress. If every month were like that, we wouldn’t have these concerns. However, looking back at the second year, while we did turn a profit, we were essentially just hovering on the break-even line. Compared to the risk of EOS we faced during the 1st Anniversary, it’s a wonderful turnaround, but we know this is not sustainable without change.

>In our second year, we only released 9 new Awakeners. For newer Keepers, the rich content of the "Faded Legacy" chapters made this less noticeable, but veteran players—or those continuing their journey—will realize our production capacity is insufficient. This current output was achieved through extreme cost-cutting, utilizing historical concept reserves, and long periods of high-intensity work from the team. This led to quality challenges and occasional delays. For Morimens to thrive long-term, we must increase our production capacity, which requires higher costs and, consequently, more revenue.
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>>555446461
I don't necessarily mind as long as it doesn't mean they'll stop regular character buffs.
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>Will this lead to power creep or a "Pay-to-Win" wall?

>Absolutely not.

>I can promise you that we will never design stages under the assumption that players must have Absolute Axiom to clear them. This has never been the case, and it never will be. For Awakened who have Absolute Axiom, they will simply be able to handle existing difficult content more easily. In our internal level design, we have always maintained the standard that the game can be cleared using the starting characters—a rarity in this genre.

>You can see that the difficulty of both the Main Story and the D-Zone has actually decreased compared to when they were first released. We also frequently buff older Awakeners and increase free rewards. These are all part of our effort to lower the barrier to entry, not raise it.
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>Is Absolute Axiom intended to compensate for the lack of strength in older Awakeners?

>No.

>As stated previously, our goal is to ensure that Keepers of all strategic skill levels, spending habits, and personal preferences can better enjoy the game. Therefore, we evaluate character enhancement plans on a case-by-case basis: Is the base kit underpowered? Is a specific Enlighten lacking? Or is the Over-Exaltation not impactful enough? We then apply targeted buffs accordingly.

>Consequently, we do not intend for Absolute Axiom to serve as a substitute for base ability or Enlighten enhancements; Absolute Axiom is a distinct and independent system. We will continue to monitor the performance of early Awakenersin the current environment. For those with significant fundamental flaws, we will implement buffs at the base level rather than using Absolute Axiom to "fix" those issues. This ensures they maintain their relevance and specific tactical advantages in the meta.

>Regarding the design logic for the latest batch of Absolute Axioms: our primary aim is to revitalize effects that previously saw little use, encouraging all cards to "flow" back into viable strategies. We want to make the gameplay more strategically engaging rather than just providing a simple boost in raw numerical power. Therefore, this update focuses on their weaker Rouse and enhances mechanics that were previously overlooked.
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>Has the team’s focus shifted away from actual gameplay and content?

>Not at all.

>In terms of cost allocation, we don’t even have a dedicated monetization designer or a full-time operations manager. I design these systems myself in between my other work to save costs, allowing us to invest more into our Art and Localization teams.

>Our monetization goals are very conservative: as long as it supports the continued development of the game, we are satisfied. Our long-term goal is to expand the world of Morimens; we have no reason to chase short-term profit and abandon the project. We have too many stories left to tell. Our newly recruited creators love this game as much as you do. Every Keeper—whether you support us through purchases, F2P play, or word-of-mouth—is making a contribution to this world.

>In the worst-case scenario, if we ever face a situation where we must shut down years from now, I promise you this: The entire B.A.I.V. Studio team and I will do our absolute best to complete the story and release an OFFLINE VERSION. We want this work and our collective memories to live on. We are all working hard to delay that day as long as possible, and rest assured, we believe that day is very far off.

>Regarding content investment: beyond expanding the art team, we are actively seeking collaborations with other excellent IPs, some of which require significant licensing fees.

>Regarding gameplay: we are aware of current issues with activity variety and the "marginalization" of Relics. We have brought in new designers to solve these. Soon, we will launch a small-scale event that serves as a DEMO for a future large-scale Roguelike mode. We will use your feedback to refine it for the official release.
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>Why not focus on visual changes instead?

>We considered it.

>However, our primary goal is to ensure that under our limited budget, resources are directed toward things that ensure the long-term health of the game—specifically, more core character content and gameplay. Stopping to divert massive resources into high-end cosmetics would be "putting the cart before the horse." While we are looking into smaller "commemorative" visual items, we believe their impact on the game's sustainability would be limited at this stage.
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Any chances the maggot will get better art? its current one is very off-putting
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TLDR of dicksword post

> Q: Will AA (+12 buff) be a thing for limited units?
> A: Yes.
> Q: Why?
> A: Whales complained. Also, while they did turn a profit during 2nd Anni, looking at the entire year they’re just above break-even. There’s essentially no money to expand production.
> They also reconfirmed their previous statement that if the game goes EoS, they’ll try their best to make an offline version.
> There were other promises about not balancing around it, but let’s just ignore the corporate talk.
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>>555447050
99% likely that there will be polish before release like with GMurphy
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>>555447074
So it's still in eos territory?
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>>555446857
>>555447074
>promises about not balancing around it
this was my major concern and I'm glad he straight up addressed it
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>>555447050
there's a chance if you meme hard enough
happened with gmurphy
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>>555447247
not according to what he says here >>555446928
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>>555447424
I don't really care about the axiom stuff as long as they don't lock a part of character's kit behind it.
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Blue unit after Xu

>Can you tease us the realm of the next unit after Xu too?

>As a general rule, we don’t do spoilers – but since I haven’t been around much lately, I’m willing to risk the scriptwriter’s scolding and let you know in advance anyway: Aequor
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>>555447074
Never believe corporate promises.
But as long as my favorite team continues to work, I'm happy.
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>>555448065
I really shouldn't want this because I barely understand Aqua, just spent a bunch of rolls and don't care for most of the units but somehow be my tastes and make my Miriam and Tulu core so I can waste a bunch of mats investing in Aequor
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>>555448065
>Aequor
Only took two non-Aequor awakeners. But I was right all along. Aequor after G-Murphy. Told you so.
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>>555448720
I want to make my Tulu core too because right now he just feels like a support for GMurphy. I guess his +12 could theoretically help with that but I'm way too far away from it to be even a consideration currently...
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>if we ever face a situation where we must shut down years from now, I promise you this: The entire B.A.I.V. Studio team and I will do our absolute best to complete the story and release an OFFLINE VERSION
A grown ass man just shed a tear
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>>555448720
>>555449360
>Tulu core
I'd just gave up on his base version being the centerpiece of the team and just wait for GTulu, base Tulu is the first limited in the game and he'd need a large rework.
>inb4 his axiom will make him broken, pay up gweilo
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For reference you need approximately 688 rolls for +12 limited unit in this game.

That's around $240 using a conversion rate of $0.35 per pull.

Rate will be worse if you're a leviathan running out of pakejis or better if you've saved up entirely from monthly/preorder.
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>>555446857
Meh, if that's what it takes for them to make a buck it's fine aslong as whatever the +12 effect is doesn't end up being integral to the character's gameplay loop.
I do hope the roguelite mode ends up rejuvenating the game I'd hate to see it EOS.
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>>555450272
Honestly that's pretty cheap to max out a character, by gacha standards.
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>>555450272
How did you get 688? Isn't the average 40?
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>>555453748
Avg is around 43 pulls per copy and you need 16 copies
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Xu's OE getting buffed
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>>555454487
E3 pullers are really the cuckolds of this game, arent they...
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>>555455212

Still absolutely not worth 4 more copies, save your pulls for main DPS
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>>555454095
In-game it says the aggregated probability is 5% which should make it 20 per SSR and 40 per limited SSR. Is the in-game description wrong?
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>>555455435
yes i'm hodling, she's not my favorite anyways. if i ever OE it'll be GMurphy or Pollux for meta, or my favorite Pickman.
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>>555455459
That's for getting an SSR in general, you are not guaranteed to get the rate up.
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Are we like, the warframe of gachas?
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>>555458441
>warframe
how?
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>>555455459
The in-game description is correct. 5% for 20 pulls per SSR. Your math is bad for the limited SSR.
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>>555458796
I'm NTA and I don't actually care if it's 40 pull or 43 pulls on average, I just don't know what the right way to calculate it is. I would have thought it would be like:

20 * .333... + 40 * .333... + 60 * .333... = 40

If that methodology is wrong idk what the right methodology is.
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>>555458680
Started so ass it almost died, devs listened to the community and is working their way up
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>>555450272
wow that is cheap so that is why they are not making any money
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>>555458796
>>555459229
I'm the original anon and yeah I figured I was wrong but I still can't for the life of me get to 43. I'm currently at 46 rolls on average for a limited SSR and the way I got to it is basically saying okay I'm spending 60 rolls to get 3 SSRs and then mapping out all of the possible outcomes which would be getting 3 limited SSRs 1/27th of the time, getting 2 limited SSRs 6/27th of the time and getting 1 limited SSR 20/27th of the time. This comes to ~1.296 limited SSRs per 60 pulls or 1 per ~46 pulls. Not sure if this is correct or what a more correct solution would look like.
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>>555460172

I am the Anon claiming 43. I'm not a math guy, but there was an actual math guy doing a very long calculation on Discord some time ago.

I'm not going to post the entire thing here, but the result of his calculation is that the average is 42.22 pulls for each rate-up character.
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>>555461148
where 42...
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>>555461769
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>>555461852
ok, I see where i made my mistake, the second outcome is .33*.67 not .33. Whoops. Ty.
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>>555459275
>Started so ass it almost died
did it?
the gameplay/story/music is really good imo, was it really shitty in the beginning?
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>>555462125
This game had (and still has) zero marketing other than word of mouth so it was close to EOS in first anni
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>>555461148
>>555461852
Thank you. I'm even more confused though, both calculations seem correct...
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>>555463536
Yeah, true. Wouldn't have heard about this game if a friend hadn't told me about it. Glad he did though, this is the only gacha game I actually enjoy.
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>>555462125
>>555463536
IIRC, the game had baffingly bad marketing/budgeting decisions in the first year, like focusing on Facebook ads of all things and overspending on outside animations. I remember people joking that Thais's ass destroyed the game because chapter 7 intro movie costed a lot compared to how much they were making. Things are looking better now, but compare that to part 2 intro that is mostly cg water and GTulu narrating over character pictures.
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>xu rouse
>hameln rouse
>doublecast resonance every turn for 0 arith
will this work???
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I'm still slowly going through chapter 1 and the game seems fun for now but rolling in this game is confusing. I think I'm pretty screwed because I started right after all the free stuff left.
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>>555468865
you get plenty of free shit just by going thru the story, and if you're going slowly you dont have anything to worry about anyway
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>>555467953
does hameln's rouse set the resonance card to 0 or to 2?
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>>555468865
>winkle favorited
yeah, me too
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>>555468865
I started right after the free stuff from the second half anniversary left and felt pretty bad at the time. Now I don't really care anymore because there will always be free stuff in the future.
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>>555469038
I was asking for advice but I don't know why I bothered trying again, every other time I've been ignored. Why would now be different?
>>555470190
I know practically nothing about her but she's cute.
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>>555470590
>she's cute.
yeah
yeah, she is
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>>555467953

I think it just goes to 2 cost instead of 0
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>>555468865
>>555470453
Don't feel too bad about it, there's no rush for progressing in the game and it's not like those were the last freebies they'd give out. game is generous regardless.

Current event is great too because it'll shower you with exp and mats that are a bit bottlenecked for a new player.
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I, for one, welcome any little boost Leigh will at from AA in the future.
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>>555473039
based Leigh hater.
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moribump!
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can we admit winkle E3 is a meme and that shes a brick before OE?
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>>555479557
Winkle is always good.
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>>555479557
the E3 is good but only matters for very few characters like Uvhash without his portrait relic
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>>555479557

I used it extensively with Sanga in Arc 1.
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>>555479557
>>555480896
>>555481232
>>555483358
I have it and I still don't get how it works
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>>555486621
it's really not that complicated, you use it on someone and that character can exalt a second time if you fill up its aliemus bar again
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>>555486621
translation is awkward. normally there is 1 exalt per turn limit for each awakener and winkle E3 raises the limit to two exalts per turn for the awakener she ults.
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>>555446857
I am fine with this, I want the game to live on and I as long as I can clear content that's really all that matters.

>>555446928
>we are actively seeking collaborations with other excellent IPs, some of which require significant licensing fees.
These better be smaller IPs as with the booming of gachas they are now asking for a lot more money than they used to, not only that it also requires a massive AD budget to also make it known that said game is having such collab, that is a lot of fucking money, doing it before making more than "breaking even" is ludacris.

>>555447014
>we believe their impact on the game's sustainability would be limited at this stage.
I do not believe this at all, a lot of games survive on cosmetics alone, if by their own metrics the Halloween skin didn't sell as high as they thought it would, then they just need to maximize effort on said skins and sell it with more "value" like pulls or even avatar pics.
They are the ones who decided to sell a skin for 30$ on "popular" awakener but somehow decided to give a skin for one of the most popular awakener for FREE, make it make sense.

All in all I am fine with AA, as it was inevitable, the community already nuked the +20 and we all knew they were looking for more avenues to add on the revenue. As long as it is not an integral part of their kit, such as a make or break type ordeal, then it is fine.
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>>555447357
I still don't like the fact that they changed her eye color and make her eyes bigger which just looks goofy compare to this, all they had to do was change the color without making the eyes bigger
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>>555447357
>>555488552
New player here, what was/ what was wrong with GMurphy's original design?
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>>555463536
TRVKE

The only reason I even found this game was because of an anon shilling it on /czn/
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>>555488690

The XO pic was the original design, they gave her eyes actual color and made her forehead smaller in the current design (picrel).

I prefer the current one but some people prefer the old design.
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>>555488179
>the community already nuked the +20
this kind of annoys me because stat growth is rounded at +5, +10, +15 and +20 so we're now stuck with decimals at +12
not that I ever would've had a +20 but still
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>>555488979
>The XO pic was the original design
yeah but at least post a non-edited/memed version of it anon
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>>555468865
>>555470590
I have to be honest with you anon, you are just gimping yourself starting now, the only dps on rate up is mid at best and requires a lot of dupes, the current new awakener is a support, her main DPS only coming in march.
If in 10 days the next 3 rerun banner will have Kath or GDoll then you can dump your rolls on them and get a single copy of Xu, otherwise this is simply not a fun way to start the game without one carry (even better if you like said carry) where you dump your early rolls on to E3 and go through the story with her.

This is a great game and I do not want to see you lose interest right now, it is truly a fun experience, just close the game and come back in a bit alright.

Winkle Love.
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>>555486621
As anons said already. Mind that to even trigger it you need to build up aliemus from 0 to 100 again.
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>>555489375
Don't worry anon, a company will always be greedy it is the way of the world, +15 or more will come one day I guarantee it.
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>>555489886
there are two dps on rate-up bwo
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>>555489886
why bother giving terrible advice, sure Xu might not be instant S tier in ultra endgame but she can carry a new player like OP thru the story and even clear wave 5 very easily as dps
not to mention that as a new player you don't even need limited charas at all to progress smoothly
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>>555489886
I wish I understood which characters were good and which were 'good but require heavy investment' and which are only good in their niche.
Trying to find a decent wiki or database sucks and I could try YT but I've yet to hear someone make a gacha based title video on YT without me wanting to kill myself hearing their voice
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>>555494768
People like you are a massive problem in general, you can clearly see the discontent anon has right now, where he already was asking questions yesterday that were ignored to have the same thing happen the next day. So he clearly is lost in the sauce where nothing to stand his ground on.

I will never be dishonest with a new player and can clearly see that right now is not the most fun time to start, I will not give any cope either, the whole point of a game is to have fun, if he is not having fun then he can come back once a solid carry comes out. Xu is not it at the moment, but if he likes the character then nothing really matter other than that.
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>>555495678
the google doc in the OP has a relatively good tier list put together by top players
it's not perfect but it can give you a good idea which characters only become good at OE when you see them jump up tiers with high investment
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>>555496502 (me)
I meant the tier list in the document itself, not the external tier lists it offers links to, though those can be useful too I guess
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>>555495939
see at least we agree on the fun part, but anon is posting ss of lvl 10 charas which is barely a few hrs of gameplay, if by that point you're already lost and need extra hand-holding then the game might just not be for you
regardless my problem with your comment is that it implies that you need to wait for some meta strong limited chara to enjoy the game (and ironically Xu is absolutely busted in low levels cause of her 3cost), at a point where picking literally any unit you like at randon will get you through tens if not hundreds of hours of the game, depending if you read story
so i agree on the fun part but i think your approach is tistic
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>>555495678
>>555496679

You can go to dicksword or I guess you can ask here, me and other anons can answer you (I think we have a good number of oldfags here)
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>>555488179
>I do not believe this at all, a lot of games survive on cosmetics alone
To be fair, most of those are sexy skins and that's not really what the game is aiming foralthough I wouldn't mind them myself.
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why does pickman mog everyone so hard for temp strgen? I'd like to get a Liz+Xu comp going but I cant see any way to do it besides my one thousandth thais pickman team. Ofc the other major issue is handspace.
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>>555498584
because he's technically not doing it on his own, Thais is amplifying what he can do by copying chromaphages and feeding him aliemus
also +12 Ogier can actually be a legit good temp strength buffer now
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>>555498584

Temp str is his entire thing so of course he mogs everyone and Thais is Thais.

Do you have clem? she'd fit there
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>>555497109
>your approach is tistic
I mean yeah shit look at where we are. Gotta go all out for my moribros.
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>>555498191
That's basically my agenda don't let anyone know
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>>555499636
yeah I just did clem castor Liz Xu and it was ok, could do madness stage (low bar).

Is it accurate to say Liz exalt isnt buffed by titan blade OR bloody feast?
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>>555498584
x character is good with thais isnt really much of a commendation, the devs would have to go out of their way to make a character that doesnt benefit from at least one of: str gain, aliemus, crit chance, vuln, weak, duping cards, keyflare
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>>555500576

I'm not exactly a Liz player but yes, I think so.

If you REALLY like her, consider buying BP for the BP wheel as a second wheel (Sunfall).
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>>555500835
pickman gets you up to 1k str on turn 2. who else is getting halfway there even with Thais?
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>>555501075
>1k str on turn 2
if you have full aliemus on him
and 10 creativity from previous fights
and drew your lifelike renditions exactly on the turn you need them
and got the correct temporary relics when rolling the lifelike renditions
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>>555500576
I replaced castor with salvador and this has some promise, maybe. Xu Liz Salvador Clementine.
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>>555501029
actually curious, for something like Green Flames, is it scaled by damage amp at all? or is it only scaled by the size of the hit?
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>>555505406

Dmg amp only helps fixed poison so no, but effect such as "do 10% more poison" will let you do more poison (e.g., doing 100 dmg could result in 110 poison even if the card says that do poison equal to damage).
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>>555488979
neither of them looks anything like Murphy
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>>555508535
oh so steppenwolf is actually useful? Granted I'm not convinced thats better than April Praise for Liz but its something worth considering.
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>>555510370
Steppenwolf is solid on caecus, not sure who else
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Morifrens...
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>>555512734
It's an option for castor too, although I don't think it's his bis. And just as a general early game DPS set.
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>>555517504
morismooch
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liz studies:
i can't believe this unit is so shit on. she's functional. she's good. she feels more like a rate up than a standard in how well she plays. fouette is a ridiculous weapon on her it increases her unscaled dps by 66% and makes damage amp/base damage buffs on her way better. her oe is obviously way better than it looks because as long as you play them out she'll be getting three deadly flames in her hand every turn. you don't need to turbobuff her str, though ofc it improves her.

liz xu is probably the strongest comp for a new player this patch.
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>>555519301
btw - you can play liz flames for 0 for the aliemus and it will trigger resonance and let you play roused xu cards.
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sleep time, survive.
I will start czn tomorrow
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Thanks to the anon who suggested the GHelot/Thais/Castor/Winkle team to me a couple of days ago, been playing with it in the story/event and have been finding it quite fun and effective so far. (killed an end of level boss on turn two with it, that was crazy)
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what are the good posses to get and where do I get them
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>>555525760
A Mouse's Wisdom
you get it during the story, you can't miss it
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>>555525760
The one from miryam's event story(you can unlock it with the currency you get from dailies), otherwise most of the best generic ones are from doing the main story.
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>>555525760
Miriam dreamscape, Ramona: Timeworn deepdive, Aurita deepdive
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>>555519301
I've tried Liz, but her good team comps have eluded me since I'm dumb as hell and I don't know how to play her. This >>555520789, however, is great information to have, and I like this oind of interaction. Any other tips to use Liz? Mine is only e3.
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>>555530492
I'm new to Liz still figuring out, I've been borrowing a level 90 +12 liz because mine is only E1. So far I've learned that Fouette is ridiculously good on her, Xu is best teammate, thais is probably optimal but I'm trying to do this without Thais for once, Liz's Rouse is really important (and only 1 arith!) especially with OE, still havent figured out best posse. If you're not playing her with major str scaling her skill levels are really important and base dmg relics like the pipe will be rly good.
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Is there a decent collection tracker style website for Morimens? I'm still quite new and want a hand with making my five teams for D-Zone. I have a few SSR Awakeners and Wheels, I'm just not sure how to fit them together and haven't leveled almost any of them yet and ideally don't want to spam the thread with a giant wall of text
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Whatta scoop! Some minor changes to Xu, symptom effects, and DoT effects on this recent maintenance.
>Xu OE changes: Betroth inflicts x3 poison stacks AND spellbound. Enthrall crimson furnace numbers buffed from 15% CON per spellbound stack cleared to 20% CON per stack cleared
>effects that play a card multiple times will now also play the Resonance effect on Xu's cards multiple times if applicable
>made autobattle Xu smarter
Symptom changes
>Suspicion: at turn end, if in hand and and no more than 3 cards have been played this turn, get +2 arithmetica next turn
>Elation (mania?): at turn end, if in hand and you have 2 or more arithmetica, draw +2 cards next turn
Gameplay
>DoT stack effects (poison, bleed, sacrifice) are now resolved AFTER end-of-turn effects that grant shields/heals
>various on-exalt effects now apply their on-exalt effects a second time if exalt was used twice in the turn (like Celeste wheel healing on-exalt and Nautila's blessing effect) (Winkle shadow-buffed!)
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>>555489886
Yeah, I know that I started at the worst time but I'm not going to quit right at the start.
>>555497109
>if by that point you're already lost and need extra hand-holding then the game might just not be for you
I'm lost on what banners to roll on, limited and standard. I don't know if I should try to get as many characters as I can or focus on copies.
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>>555533080
Not that anon, but getting a broad roster will give you much more depth to experiment with. Lots of awakeners have interesting interactions with each other, and getting more of them will help you understand realm mechanics better. If that's not your speed, though, you can genuinely just pick a favorite standard awakener and stick to their realm for a while until you're satisfied. The generic R and SR wheels of destiny are quite good on their own, as well, and you'll be getting them all to 3-stars/+12 sooner than later, so don't worry too much about getting SSR wheels until you're comfortable.
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I really like Xu as a character and design, I need affinity 10 asap

>>555532926
Glad to hear, that will make it even more significant for when Caraboo comes out
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>>555533080
Pull on the standard banner for now and expand your roster
All 4 standards realms have good characters that you can get. It doesn't matter that much which one you pull on first because the early chapters can be done with your starter team without many issues while you're still learning the ropes
Since you went with ultra... pull more until you get e1 Jenkin, she's a good dps that can carry you through early and mid game. jenkin/winkle/ramona/whatever will be a decent team for a while

And equip the brown wheel 'Gluttony' once you get it - it's op, gives you extra max hp that new accounts are starving for

Good characters to get from other realms are
chaos: Nautila, Karen
aequor: Caecus, Goliath, Celeste
caro: Helot, Faint
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>>555533080
>I'm lost on what banners to roll on, limited and standard. I don't know if I should try to get as many characters as I can or focus on copies
For limiteds, you can just ask here, right now as a newfag you can roll on xu if you want and build around her. daffodil is also an option. miryam is a great support but she's a support so she won't be carrying the damage.
For standard, you roll on the realm who's characters you will be running in your first main team although I'd avoid rolling on caro as it has a lot of stinkers for newer players. you'd keep rolling on it till you have the characters you are using at e2-e3.
you can roll on the wheel banner inbetween to get a copy (or a couple) of important wheels like blade of the giant as it can help significantly.

once you have them at e2-e3 you can opt to roll on different realms to have a better variety for d-tide.

Ignore limited wheels for the most part for now unless it's a wheel that gives extra hand size in which case you should roll for atleast 1 copy.
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>>555533901
>>555535379
>>555535420
Thanks.
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>>555533080
You'll want to spend your silver on buying limited rolls even if you aren't rolling on anything right now, you get a ton of standard rolls just from playing through the story so shouldn't need to buy any.
Rolling on standard characters the general consensus is to roll on the blue banner till you get 3 Caecus and possibly 2 Goliath as that can make the story through act 1 easier. I personally wasn't a fan of how aequor played so went all in on ultra and caro instead. Best to play the character trials and see who you enjoy using, and get free rewards for testing them out too.
With the current limited banners? I'd probably say roll for one copy of Xu because her AOE will pretty much cary you when you are below level 50, and she is useful support for poison teams in late game. You probably don't want to bother getting more than one copy though unless you really like her. The other current limiteds have their place but aren't super awesome must haves so I'd say only roll for them if you dig the character. Daffodil and Doorstain are generally a bit meh, but Miryam is nice to have if you play blue and more so if you end up with a GMurphy.
Wheels, wheels can wait a bit till you have more of a character roster but if you do want to get started early with some rolls the TBlade of the Titan is never a bad one to roll as you eventually want it fully maxed.
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>>555531718

I don't think there is one anon, time to mke your own spreadsheet (or use the team slots).
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>>555536412
I'd also add don't sleep on the freebie characters you get doing the story as they are surprisingly good for gacha free characters.
Aegis and Ramona are very good.
Ogier and Erika can fit in to a lot of teams as they both do quite a few things reasonably well.
Aurita are more niche but good in her niche (discard).
Lotan is the first I would say is dead ordinary, she does the job alright but you'll replace her when you get the chance.
Doll is probably the one that is just a bit of stinker and that you will replace asap, but even she has some weird uses.
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>>555531718
>Is there a decent collection tracker style website for Morimens
Like a website that lets you track which Awakeners/Wheels/etc that you have and put them into teams and see how their stats would interact?
That'd be pretty useful yeah, too bad about this game being unknown...
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>>555536412
>Best to play the character trials and see who you enjoy using, and get free rewards for testing them out too.
Thanks, I didn't even notice that.
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I haven't read any story since being icked out by Doresian chapter being too otome-ish....
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>>555540806
>Doresian chapter being too otome-ish
Meanwhile I'm sure this game's female playerbase was shlicking themselves crazy to that
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>>555540806
I'm cool with otome stuff to be honest. It's fujo stuff that I dislike.
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there's no way to raise the chance of getting a certain person besides making sure you're in their realm right? I really want 24 she's fucking cool
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>>555542053
you might get her from the standard chaos banner but the odds are very low
she might get a proper rerun sometime soon, she's not had one in a long while. but that's a big maybe
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>>555542053
Unfortunately, 24 is a former limited awakener, so pulling for her in standard would be a real crap-shoot. If you really want her, then go nuts. But you can also set aside some limited pulls for her in case she shows up in one of the 3-character banners sometime in the future. They don't give us the banner lists in advance, though, so you might end up waiting a while.
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>>555542053
You have a very small chance to get a 24 when you pull standard chaos, but that is a tiny chance so only real option is just waiting for her to rerun on a banner.
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>The second year had many special factors, resulting in a significantly higher proportion of male characters compared to the Forgotten Era. The third year will see a return to roughly the same proportion as the Forgotten Era due to actual content planning. Currently, there are indeed more female awakened beings, but we cannot disclose the specific timing in advance. We will maintain the overall gender ratio of awakened beings unchanged.

Just read the plebbit thread, glad they are keeping the 70/30 for this arc, let's hope arc 3 follow suit as well, great news since I thought it was already looking bleak but I was gladly wrong.
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>>555542367
>>555542381
>>555542451
ah weak, thank you tho
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>>555540806
weak
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good morinight morifriends
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>>555545775
sleep well morifriend
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>>555545775
rest well, morifren
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morimori
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>Caraboo this
>Caraboo that
Have we even SEEN her kit yet??
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>>555553674
All we have is her art and realm. I think her design is fine, but I'm more interested in the new story chapter we'll get out of her.
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>>555553674

Kit will be finalized like a few days before release Anon. So no leak.
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>>555553870
>art
doko?
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>>555554146
She was in the Arc 2 pv trailer at 1:30
https://youtu.be/-A09qyVi8os?si=J84Y7ZKHjl78OjvY&t=90
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Anyone willing to help me decide teams for my D-Zone? I assume it's something I should be doing every week if possible. If I remember the wording correctly, I can't re-use wheels across teams.
I don't have any completed Covenant triangles, I have like 2 edge pieces for Steppenwolf
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>>555554364

Yes you can reuse wheels, I'm at work but I can help later.
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>>555554465 (me)

*CAN'T reuse wheels
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>>555554465
Thank you very much for your future assistance
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>>555554364

I'm assuming you're very new since you don't have Mouchette, but where did you get Pollux from?
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Oh shit my post didn't pass. First time I am getting two different Awakeners before the rate up. It feels strange.
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>>555554929
I made my account on like the last day of anni after. Managed to do the Posse 200 times by spamming awakener trials and did it with like 6h to spare and chose Pollux because I tossing up between him and Castor because I really like their designs. It was that or Kathigu-Ra but I wanted to try do Ultra.
I ended up just skipping Mouchette probably against better judgement just because I can borrow my friends one
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>>555555339

...they gave out one Mouchette for free Anon
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>>555543353
this is kind of disappointing, last year's 50:50 split felt pretty fair and it didn't seem like anyone was unhappy with it
I guess we can expect at most 2 male characters for 2026, we know 1 is Tulu so it's going to be only a single new one
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>>555555105
Yeah, it's been pretty uncommon for me to get 2 different awakeners before the hard pity gives me the rate-up one. It happened to me during GMurphy's banner, and earlier when Xu dropped, but the other day I suddenly got 2 more Xu dupes within 10 pulls of each other.
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>>555555434
I don't think I met the requirements for that anon, I grabbed everything I was able to within the timeframe. If it was from a code, I was never told any codes. I may have just been too late and the giveaway was over
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>>555555434
nta but she had a requirement of having cleared a certain early chapter of the story so maybe anon didn't have time to do it
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>>555555661
>>555555610

I see, I thought she's just free.

That's okay I'll try to come up with something for you when I'm done with work (and I'll you what to pull from standards).
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page 9 after only an hour? What the fuck is going on with vg again?
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>>555558824
One of the bigger generals having a livestream?
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>>555559004
who?
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>>555559118
No idea, just guessing
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>>555554364

Here anon.

Try putting on wheels yourself. I couldn't really test with my account but should be doable for Alert 1 at least if you level them up properly.

Ask here if you don't understand anything.
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>>555554364
NTA, but I can help a little too: have you already unlocked D-tide? I was convinced it got unlocked later on in the story, your levels still look a bit low. In general, even if you want to do A1 clears for now, you'll need stats so once you have finalized some of the teams I'd throw a few Menophin recharges at the event to level up units. Remember to first get the achievements for clearing the event stages twice with all realms to get more copies of the SR wheels to increase the farm efficiency. Oh, also if you have not done so already buy the Protohorizon from the shop, you have both Tawil that is bricky at E0 and Myriam that ideally wants E2 too. I'd honestly start from getting Tawil to E2 out of the two, she and GHelot are getting a bit old now but they are still ridiculously overtuned units made to pull the game out of EOS.

You will get more by playing, but do you have any standard rolls laying around still? This D-tide ends in a few days and having a few more Aequor/Chaos units would help, you are missing Caecus (just good and all his copies are good, could make a Tawil comp), Celeste (good hole plugger early, particularly for hyper-carry comps), and Goliath E2 (cheat mechanics) from blue, and Karen (support for hypercarry/friend-borrow team), Nymphea (you could run her with Xu), and just straight up more copies of Nautila on yellow (Nautila gud). Jenkins and Winkle from Ultra are good but there's more landmines in that banner, and you already have the single of copy of Casiah (that you will need down the line if you want to go into a discard comp). Caro standard is horrendous nowadays IMHO, do not pull on there, Faint is the only unit that only ups later in any capacity aside from niche Agrippa/Helot applications.
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>>555561034
Thank you very much anon, I'll try get all those characters to ~level 40. I hope that should be enough. I assume Winkle I also need to go get from the Standard Banner, or is she borrowed like Kathigura?
I might struggle on the Covenants, I believe I only just unlocked access to those in general, and I'm a couple chapters away from Arc 1, Ch 7. I'll try read as much as I can.
>>555561604
>D-Tide
I don't think so, I'm clicking around looking for something with that name and I'm not seeing it.
I have D-Zone, Traphase and P-Dive.
>you have both Tawil that is bricky at E0 and Myriam that ideally wants E2 too. I'd honestly start from getting Tawil to E2 out of the two, she and GHelot are getting a bit old now but they are still ridiculously overtuned units made to pull the game out of EOS
I bought the Prototype Horizon via Radix Sediment. I also grabbed the Timeloop Copy.
I'll write myself a note to get Tawil, Myriam and G.Helot to 3 Stars.
I still have some Pure Cores, I used a bunch getting to ~4 units in each realm to bump my roster out
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>>555562397
d-zone and d-tide are the same thing
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>>555562397

I forgot to highlight Winkle. She's from standard ultra banner.
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>>555439625
Is Kath's e3 higher priority than Gmurphy e2? Kath feels honestly kinda subpar I don't have the hp to survive to get her to really shine so far
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>>555562580
>>555562740
Alright, I ran out of pure cores.
Got a lot of misses but also a 2* Winkle. I should hit my Day 7 Protoparadise before reset so I'll use that to grab Celeste and make these teams. Thank you both very much.
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>>555562975
Kath isn't real until e3. Gmurphy isn't a DPS before E2 but still works fine as a support.
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>>555563169


You don't have to do the entire thing in your first rotation. Don't need to rush. Also it's bi-weekly not weekly.
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moribump because I don't know the page
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What is the name of GRamona's wod?
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>>555572054

Rewinding Time, same wheel as Ramona. It's in the shop.
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morinap time
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>>555563471
>works fine as a support
unfortunately she has no one to support because Goliath deals no damage, Tulu deals no damage and all of the other lemurians are also various supports
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>>555576391
moripat
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>>555576391
>>555577814
Morining Moricrap
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>>555577805
you have to scale the tentacles longer the fewer cons you have on GMurphy, but GMurphy is very good at scaling tentacles.
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miriam story spoilers - so lemurians were turning people into deep ones for fun? and then tulu kills them all because he didnt want to give them bad news?
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>>555582216
been a while since I played that story so I might be wrong but I don't think Tulu killed them, I think he just put them to sleep as the calamity was about to descend so they wouldn't suffer
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>The Starry Night arc did indeed have a 1:1 ratio before the release of the Birth of Murphy due to its unique storyline, but this is not a long-term or regular occurrence. We deeply understand that everyone is very concerned about the balance of various character types, and we understand the dissatisfaction caused by short-term changes. We will do our best to maintain overall consistency, such as realms, genders, roles, various gameplay styles, and suitable storyline character designs. It is almost as difficult as making a Sudoku puzzle, so occasional deviations are inevitable. Please understand.

So people did complain about male characters after all lmao. This is so weird.
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>>555585653
Chinese are mentally ill.
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>>555585653
>no more delicious twinks for me
They made like one... It's MoriOver...
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>>555587573
Gotta wait for Godking Tulu.
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I'm bored, wish I could play some random comps but I ran out of skill materials.
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>>555591454
borrow some well built random character you've never played before
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>>555591454
borrow a Liz
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>>555591805
>>555593185

Anon could read my mind. I actually just borrowed a Liz for the first time, she did more damage/poison than I thought.

I could see survivability being a problem with your hand that clogged though.
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>>555593475
The surprising thing for me was that if she's built enough she doesnt really need strength scaling and damage amp/base dmg buffs actually productive. She still scales really well with strength, but its hard to fit and you dont actually have to.
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And now I want to build my Liz, and I'm still out of skill materials....
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>>555595006
btw - also worth pointing out that her soulforge talent, in addition to normal op soulforge things, increases her flames base dmg by 50% at level 10, so she's kind of arc2 locked.
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>>555595390
Does soulforging help some underused Awakeners?
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>>555598446
yeah some of the soulforges are incredibly strong and feel like they should've been part of a character's base kit
others don't do much aside from the stat boost
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>>555598446

They were retroactively added for older characters (unlike new characters which are made as part of their kit).

So bad chacraters tend to get better soulforge (like Liz) while meta ones get useless shit (like Ghelot).
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Saw the flares vid, do we have an anon here who knows the rerun banners, why do they gatekeep the fucking leaks man, you gotta hate this shit sometimes bro
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>>555602015
I don't think anyone really knows the reruns. We can guess that it's probably going to be Ghelot, 24 and Kath.
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Holyshit I didn't know Liz can output this much poison. The one I borrowed did 150k poison in a turn with clem.

I still think Chaos Xu is better because you can play Lily, and you need to not be dead to do damage, but Liz is pretty cool.
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>>555600146
Pollux randomly has a huge amount of stuff in soulforge to the point I dont like bringing him to P-dive. Idk why, its annoying.
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>>555602015
>flares
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>>555604719
banner can be 2 characters from the same realm?
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>>555607643
I don't see why not
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>>555605882
How does Clem help?
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>>555609530
Clem make poison hit 45% bigger (liz poison scales with size of hit)
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>>555610067
Clem/Liz/Xu and who?
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Ramona love!
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>>555604719
they clearly know the rerun since it was in the files, it just sucks that for the first time we are on the other side of the fence, usually trooncord comes here to steal shit, but not this time
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>>555577805
You can use her outside of pure lemurian. For instance toss 24 or tawil in there.
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>>555611146
agrippa/salv probably
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Should I be trying to upgrade every awakeners cards/rouse to a minimum level or should I only focus on the units I like? I'm not sure how common the materials are
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>>555611146
NTA but I would guess Thais because why wouldnt you.
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>>555621131
level 3 minimum for non-exalt skills because those mats arent timegated. Then yeah you have to be selective and level the stuff that matters the most. If you've got a wide roster the mats are super limited once you've finished story, its 8 per week then a disappointingly low # from events. The D-Jewel and sediment shop ones to are too expensive to consider and d-jewels are also an extremely limited resource.
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>>555621376
mostly that thais is wanted in every team and im assuming he's building a dtide team
>>555621131
3 because that doesnt require the funny shape or anything it makes or red crystals
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>>555619229
Why Salv?
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>>555625015
keeps you alive and scales well with xu's gargantuan con stat, something you'll need if you're poison stalling
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>>555625015
More fat con for HP and funace filling shenanaigans that lead to more healing or big fat shields. Can also throw out some alright numbers on damage with enlightenment/stalling.
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Why are some Awakeners missing talents?
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morinight, frens

survive!
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Dumb question, is pure silver platform locked? I bought some to get the tim limited chapter completion thingy that gives you like ~30 luminous cores for ~400 pure silver but my PS is much lower when I booted the game on phone
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>>555642005
Some games have the premium currency locked on the device you bought it in, so steam stays on steam, phone stays on phone, I have no idea though, just what some do
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I just noticed there's an invitation code to get some stuff, should I be posting mine here?
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>>555562975
Kath e3 no question. It's insane how much e3 changes her.
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is it worth using all my menophin recharges (i have around 100) on farming the first stage of the xu event for a ton of awakener xp?
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I didn't know you could get two characters in a five roll.
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>>555646842
MurphyLove
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>>555611146

As with every team that ever include Ultra Horla.
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>>555649251 (me)

Just to add I'm not building a dtide team or anything, my Xu already has a team but I was fucking around because I was bored.
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>>555585653
asian gacha players have weird obsession with this shit. they're also mentally ill about the gender of the mc if the game lets you choose their gender, glad we don't have the hoyopinoys crying about that shit here.
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>>555646706

Sure, why not.

Bonus if you have E3 Xu and her wheel.
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>>555630967

What talent? If you're talking about inmate talent like scaling benefits from certain stats, not everyone has that.
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>>555648940
She seems cute but is she just a defensive type?
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>>555652179

Not sure what other gachas you have played, anon, but defense is the hardest part of this game.

If only she weren't in Aequor, I think she would be a lot more popular. However, since the most popular Aequor team currently doesn't use her, she's a bit homeless.

That being said, she is a good d-zone filler for slower teams.
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>>555652179
She's a very defensive awakener, her exalt will keep you alive through the hardest hitting rounds that might otherwise be certain death or a death resist proc.
She helped me beat story mode bosses without needing to use emergency gnosis but e1 really helps her a lot as otherwise the 3 cost on her vortex becomes hard to justify at the later harder stages of the game.
e0 is good though for most of the campaign and lower d-tides if she fits in your team and you need a defensive character.
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>>555654068
I got lucky and E1'd her from standard blue pull spooks and that retain on the sacrifice reducer is pretty damn nice.
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>>555653445
>defense is the hardest part of this game.
How hard exactly?
>>555654068
I'll keep that in mind.
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>>555658050
>>defense is the hardest part of this game.

Most dps have an innate scaling mechanics so you'll win eventually if you don't die. So not dying is usually the challenge.

Piicrel is the first turn of the first fight (usually the hardest fight) in Alert5Wave5 in d-zone.
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>>555658050
bosses will regularly threaten to deal up to and over 2x your max hp in a game where your shield is capped at your hp
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>>555650960
Hmmmm for example Ramona has an innate talent but Daffodil doesn't.
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>>555662571

Yeah that's totally normal. Some awakeners have one, some don't.
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Oh fuck, the posse gets used in D-Wave
its so over for me
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what the fuck were they thinking when they designed castor
he gets big damage AND passive shield gen AND card draw AND he can inflict weakness AND his Rouse makes him always crit like what the fuck, was he the favorite of one of the team members who designs the Awakener's kit?
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>>555666170
Still prefer the other brother.
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>>555666170

He is a contender for the best Arc 2 awakener for a reason anon. They even released Pollux for him, but that he needs Pollux but they play very well together.
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>>555666170
shame that he's ugly
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>>555666938

*not that he needs Pollux
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So Smoochie's weakness is crowds.
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>>555666170
They wanted me personally to play the game, so they release Castor and Pollux with cool as hell designs.
Gonna be honest, all the Astral Reign awakeners I really, really, really like except for Clementine and Mouchette
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>>555667792
Which is super strange to me because I decided to check the ratio after the post yesterday and it isn't as bad as I originally thought. It is something like 6 females to 4 males when it comes to arc 2 awakeners. I've always rolled and used for characters that I like, no matter the gender, and this is why this Chinese problem feels so alien to me.
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>>555667985
dedicated asian gacha players are pretty much a different breed
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>>555668078
Except they really aren't because there are games catering to them. It feels so fucking autistic to me if I were to shitpost @whoever is releasing nikke to release anything else but females. It's some kind of manchild entitlement.
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What does sanga's rouse do? the wording is super confusing
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>>555667715

Try spamming her 1 cost after exalt, it's an okay AoE.

On a different topic I like gooner aesthetics more and would be happy with an all female cast (fight me I like CZN boobs), but I play Morimens for gameplay so whatever I guess.
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>>555669325
Doesn't CZN get males as well?
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>>555669673

I seriously doubt they'll get more than maybe one male a year. All seven new units after launch were females.

>>555669319

Each time she makes a shield (play her cards or exalt), you get free tentacle damages.
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>>555669673
After the whole owen shit I doubt they will get many.
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>>555667985
Glad it will stay as 70/30, the only male design I really like is Castor, I also like Doresain but I just can't afford the OE and Wheel when I have so many reruns to roll on.

The people complaining about the gender ratio will keep on losing steam the more new players pick up the game, and I am glad the game will get the recognition it deserves, I just hope the collab will be a massive hitter (massive as in making a profit).
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>>555670761
Castor and Pickman are the ones I dislike. Foreskin has one of the best designs in the game.
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>>555670879

Trooncord: Doorstain
4chan: Foreskin

Man cannot catch a break
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>>555670993
actually it autocorrects this way, don't know why
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>>555671248
because it's correct
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>>555670384
Not like they ever planned them in the first place.
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>>555666170
>AND card draw
no, onyx plumes are draw neutral because you drew them instead of another card from your original deck in the first place
if they didn't have the draw, it would've been absolutely awful because you'd be slowing down your deck cycling by generating them
>AND passive shield gen
generating plumes has the alternative cost of not triggering other leap effects from ultra units
>AND he can inflict weakness
1 turn weakness on a warden is hardly unreasonable
If we're talking about bloated kits that do everything you should be complaining about Thais.
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>>555673686
why would you run another leap unit with castro when you can just not?
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By the way are stored cards the one you will get during the extra turn?
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>>555674078
yes. you can hover the squares to see which card is stored.
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>>555674249
So this is why it is rated 5 stars. And the leap effect, I guess.
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>>555674491
You don't really have to play for specific setups in a lot of ultra comps because the game has a lot of retain, and just getting an extra turn with your retained cards can be good enough on its own. But yeah it lets you do broken turns if you're careful and play for it really hard.
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It's funny how most of the skins art are literally just the character in a different pose
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>>555674793
I might buy the Thais one.
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>>555674793
liz's is her freaking posse art.
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>>555674793

Skins sold in shop were once free (except Foreskin's) and the quality reflects that.
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>>555642306
It may not be, I think the game just ate my Pure Silver. The tooltip says something about decaying into silver but there wasn't a timer and it doesn't say anything on the purchase page so this is bullshit
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>>555675547
I think you may be like me, I thought that this game had the x2 on purchase like any other game, but it was actually normal silver, so if you buy the 300 pure silver you get 300 silver for the first purchase.
If that was not the case then I cannot help.
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>>555675760
No it was not that. I had an amount I was holding onto and choosing not spend and the game took it from me and customer support either lied to me or didn't understand what happened.
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>>555675856
Did you buy it on a different version by any chance? Some games lock premium currency to whatever device you bought it on.
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>>555675856

Try to talk to them pn Trooncord I guess
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>>555676318
It's missing in both platforms. Customer support said what it was used on, but the game itself proves that false.
>>555676417
I'll give that a shot if the second CS rep isn't helpful.
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>>555674023
because clem and horla are very good and you play them anyway
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>>555670761
>Glad it will stay as 70/30, the only male design I really like is Castor
You like all of the female designs? Wouldn't fewer male characters mean even lower odds of them releasing a male character you like?
Also it's not even 70/30, standards are 3 male out of 20 characters while faded legacy are 4 out of 15. Super bleak.
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>>555677956
I think it is hit or miss if you are a normal function person. I love the way Kath looks but there is some morifren that hates her for example. And I am not a big fan of Aigis but then there are others who love her.
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>>555678760
normal, functional*
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Uh.........I just ran out of scrips....what do...
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>>555679579

Go beat up kids in Londinium steets anon

Just wait, you'll get script naturally
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i lowrolled
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>>555681835
not really, it's still better than a standard character
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raw strike: 40
strike hand of oblivion: 56
strike fouetté: 63
strike fouetté hand of oblivion: 79
strike steppenwolf: 48
strike Steppenwolf fouetté: 71
strike Steppenwolf hand of oblivion: 67
strike Steppenwolf fouette hand of oblivion: 90
strike Steppenwolf fouetté 45str: 117
strike Steppenwolf fouetté 45str hand of oblivion: 136

strike Steppenwolf fouetté minus damage amp: 64
strike Steppenwolf minus damage amp: 41
strike minus damage amp: 34

so steppenwolf multiplies base dmg increases by 1.2 then that value is scaled by damage amp. this makes steppenwolf much better on characters with large % base DMG increases like castor/clem/pollux (though you'd still probably only run on pollux). also unsurprisingly the damage fouette adds isnt base dmg. twisted knights ballad was probably a little better than fouette on liz anyways a lot of the time and this doesnt move the needle much.
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>>555682753
btw this is with e1 fouette and random amounts of damage amp so the numbers won't make sense outside of their relative relationships to one another.
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>>555682753

This is damage formula anon.

Most of Poullux damage are from his talent Atonement by Pain, which is Layer Y (it is a flat buff, the 200% of ATK just tell you how much flat damage it adds), so while he does get benefits from dmg amp, it's not much.
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>>555683150
originally I was testing fouette where it wasn't very clear to me what it was, but its a layer Y increase. steppenwolf's language is also kind of unique. also i meant to write that you'd only run it on castor whoops.
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>>555681835
based
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morinapp
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morislap in your butt
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Is there a way to mark people on your friend list as favorites or something? I can't keep track of who is a /mori/fren and who is a random person that added me during the anniversary raid event. Doesn't help that half of my friendlist consists of names in chinese that I can't even read.
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>>555642537
Since nobody ever answered I'll just post it here. YJPFEO1H6S
I'm not sure if that's a zero or an "O"
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>>555692330
you can favorite their supports and find them that way ig
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daily Ramona love
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So I was looking thtough various Ultra awakeners and noticed something about Wanda's OE: it says that it activates an effwct called "Hypnotic Veins." The other 2 effects are on her regular exalt, but Hypnotic Veins has no description anywhere in her profile. I assume it's the same case as with Jenkin's OE, which also gives a card that has no description outside of combat, either. Does anybody know what Hypnotic Veins does?
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>>555701017
>Implying anyone here plays Wanda
IIrc the Veins is third effect you gain by exalting with 10 dreamlure. Could be wrong. It's been a while I actually used her.
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>>555701446
>>implying
I know, but I've always liked her design, so now I'm curious.

I double-checked all of her enlightens, and the 5-dreamlure effect is Slumber Counter, while the 10-dreamlure effect is Echoes of Whispers. Whatever "Hypnotic Veins" is, it seems to be an effect unique to her OE.
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Liz birthday while best Liz support on rate up. It cant be a coincidence.
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any guide on what to prio on these shops?
is there any yellow clear BiS to try and +12 or is it better to get the purp ones first
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>>555704796
rewinding time to +12
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>>555704885
ogey ty
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>>555704796
the purps are free when their event reruns. which could take a long time but you dont really want to spend money on them if possible. For yellows rewinding time is a keyflare wheel and +12 keyflare wheel is a very valuable thing to own due to life drain. Deathless Ascent is also a commonly used wheel and worth owning E3 at least, and +12 CB is very good on a few awakeners. So you'll want all three of these +12 eventually, Rewinding can be the first one but then between deathless and CB its up to you depends on which awakeners you use more.
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>>555695817
that's a pretty good idea for now but it has a limit unfortunately
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buying the battle pass +10 levels on a 28 day pass is 20 rate up pulls and 56 standard pulls for 600 primes with some other minor stuff. if you're a stinky paypig and horny for standard rolls its the way to do it.
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Fuck, "Hypnotic Veins" really is just the name of the regular exalt option to gain 1 dreamlure. Her OE feels much less interesting now.
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I will roll OE12 if we get a Madoka collab on ALL girls btw, just posting so I can screenshot for later use.
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>>555708819

If you're one of the five people that plays her, you'll know that the dreamlure thing is one of her many flaws, and OE fixes that.

Not that you should pull it, but still.

>>555704796

Get Gateway of Truth too, a keyflare SR.
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>>555708380
>for 600 primes
isn't that the price of the regular battle pass?
the one you're talking about should be like 1200 no?
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This is my first BP, thoughts on buying levels to pick the wheel and buy a dupe of it before reset, and what wheel should I grab sunfall?
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>>555711882
nta but i think theyre assuming you're already getting the regular battle pass and is only looking at value of 3x dailies
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>>555712462

Unless you're a giga leviathan, don't do it.

But if you do, buy the wheel you want to use.

Spring is by far the most generic but if you use one of the units that wants Sunfall, you can get Sunfall.
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>>555712746
oh you're probably right
but then where are the 20 rate up pulls coming from?
120 silver for 28 days is only 3360 silver
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>>555712918
I will pass then, thanks.
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>>555713053
i guess 17 is almost 20 and you get 10 heroin needles
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Post more Winkle.
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>>555713053
I think you get 600 bonus silver for the upgrade (its advertised on the bp).
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>>555714446
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>>555712462
imo birth of a soul is the best one at E3 but theres little reason to +12 it. While the other two you ideally want at +12 eventually and are only like good until then. so its like how deep do you want to go with this.
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>>555714994
winkle can reform my psyche any day...
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>>555714994
if we were to add card art, what do you guys think the text should appear as, only shows when you hold the card or low opacity then when you hold it shows, I wonder if some chink whales could contribute to commission artist into making card arts and sending them all for free to be adjusted by BIAV

I really want card art...
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>>555714691
you dont get 600 for going from advanced to premium
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Hmmm what are the best in slot covenants for Kath and Smoochie?
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>>555719740
they have options
kath: paradox, feast
mouch: dreams, april, burial
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2 limiteds in 205 pulls
whoever said it was 43 on avg can go morifrick himself
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having looked at the reddit, this Will Unyielding Kath meme is out of control. people are +12ing it for her when it is worse than Land of Nonexistence. You do not want two strikes on Kath. You would run zero strikes if you could. You pull either one card at a time with posse or two cards at a time with exalt, and you always want those cards to be defs. there is no reason to have an extra strike bouncing around your deck, shitting up your hand, and absorbing fiamma. the asians know and none of them WU Kath because theyre smarter.

if you do have a +12 WU use it on Lily with signature its better there.
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>>555722086
luck will even itself out over time, though that's incredibly unlucky, like going to pity 6 times in a row and losing every time except the guaranteed
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>>555722086
well hard pity is 90. assuming you went to hard pity twice in a row, its roughly a .5% chance of that happening. So hopefully never again?
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>>555723650
>>555724381
after the back to back 90s i rolled again cause "surely it will even out" and went to 30 again and failed so im done for now
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Its going to be Ghelot right? The only reason they'd slowroll the banner this much is because the rate up is retarded and op and they didnt want it to cut into Xu sales too much.
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>>555725107
GHelot isn't op though
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>>555724865 (Me)
ok i checked back and it was only 195 pulls! (if it shares pity with Xu which i'm not sure about)
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>>555725689
banners of the same type do share pity yes

>>555722101
maybe some people value the 100 death res from +12 will unyielding more than the sigil yield from land of nonexistence
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>>555694860
only new players can use that code
if you want people to add you you can post your uid instead
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>>555720056
Sounds .. complicated...
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>>555728824
then pick the simplest options, feast on kath and burial grounds on mouchette
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>>555729252
dreams mouchette better. burial grounds mouchette no good, the 6-piece doesnt give her death resist stat so doesnt even boost her crit. april praise or crimson pulse better than bgs.
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>>555728824

You actually asked the setup of two characters that have no straight answers because it's dependent on your level of investment and team. It's pretty interesting but if you want the most generic answer...

Mouchette
April Priase (ch8 cov)
Crit rate > Crit damage > Death resist

Kath
Feast from afar
Crit rate >>> everything else
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>>555730104
dreams is level locked so there's a very good chance anon is a new player and doesn't have it unlocked
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>>555730439
I got my Awakeners to level 60 and I still don't have any Covenants so I decided to ask. I might start getting filtered around chapter 7-8 or so, I guess.
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>>555733971
thats pretty normal. what the game doesnt tell you is you can convert pens into thousand faces seals at 1:20 which makes leveling them easy. getting your initial covenant setup for a set/character is cheap in this game compared to other gacha, it just gets very expensive to improve them beyond a certain point.
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>>555734607
How much do they help? I tried challenging the first boss of the event on level 60 and it has like 90k hp or so. I can't imagine going through it any other way but with the help of covenant buffs.
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>>555735016
90k hp is basically nothing for a well invested endgame team with or without covenants
in the short term you can borrow lvl 80-90 characters that can basically solo it, like Pollux or Kath
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>>555735016
depends on the set. including passives they'll probably make your carries 40% stronger or so sometimes more. Soulforge talents are almost as important so level those too, the combination of covs + soulforge will make you much stronger. But if 90k looks insurmountable it might partially be a team comp issue as well.
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>>555733971
completing chapter 7 unlocks the most important covenant set in the game: life drain
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>>555736285
I see, I will get to it then.
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moribump
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>>555743063
morismooch
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Why the fuck is OE +4, I'd assumed it was merely +1. Needing SEVEN copies of an SSR is nuts.
Are any characters so specific that they care about + breakpoints, or are the only states I need to care about are the three stars, +4 and then +12?
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So what six Interludes do people do? I'm assuming the four realm skill ones, Pantheism for the red rocks and Mithril Trace for the meagre amount of Silver?
When I unlock Phantom Realm at level 50 do I swap to that?
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>>555745837
Just try to get max XP
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>>555745837
i think the red rocks are pretty funny because in one year you get to level three talents
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>>555745837
a priori for skill upgrade mats as well
silver is 3 pulls a month I guess
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>>555745484
most characters do not even need e3 to be very strong (you get like 85% what you would want from Thais from e2, for example) and very few characters "need" OE, with gdoll being one of the few that gets a ton from it
you also get awakener (and wheel) dupes once a month in the exchange shop which can help patch up a dry month
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Apparently light said the next awaker will be blue. I wonder if it will be a lemurian or a generic blue.
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How does the game/setting explain the playable Awakeners?
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>>555747678
GTulu please please give me GTulu
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>>555747678
i'm hoping for something to make corpo team nicer. she deserves better. lemurian would be lame, would just kick goliath out of the team and make strong team stronger with nothing interesting to think about.
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>>555747772
GTulu will be for anni, since he is a chapter character, also if you look at the silhouette they aged him up to a normal dude, losing all appeal.
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>>555748242
Isn't there a half-anniversary?
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>>555748160
I hope it's crab awakener with heavy emphasis on bleed and pierce damage. Sure Mythos has one crab. Right?
>she deserves better
Her racism buffs obliterate any fish related enemy. Except filthblood school, because filthblood designed to make me hate the game. But I do agree non-Lemurian blue team deserve a bone.
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>>555747678
I just want to be surprised, and hope for a none Lemurian right now.
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>hard mode has achievements on its own
what
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>>555747767
We collected their silver and tossed it into the black pool.
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We need more Lemurians. There are only like 5. I want to play different teams with Tulu.
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>>555754134
Is he at least fun?
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>>555754890
Yes but mine is +12 and fully skill enhanced except madness omen
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Is there a breakdown of which characters are based on what? Tulu is obviously Cthulu. I think Xu is based on Da Ji/Tamamo. Tinct is very blatantly the colour out of space.
I'm assuming either the MC or Tawil is supposed to be Azathoth but I'm unsure.
I want Hastur personally, but I assume that a ways off
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>>555755791
Murphy is Cthylla
24 (Mason), Jenkin, and Brown are named after Keziah Mason and Brown Jenkin from The Dreams in the Witch-House
Thais is Shub-Niggurath
Xu is based on the Bloated Woman, not Daji/Tamamo
I believe Winkle is a Yithian? And Doll's whole thing with her brain cylinder and doll bodies is based on the Mi-Go.
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>>555726945
I wanted the free stuff that came from the code being used but I guess I'll miss out on that too.
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>>555754890
You barely play his cards, maybe abyss order occasionally(it's way too expensive to use always but sometimes can close out a wave). He mostly just exists for his exalt, stats, passive, and lemurian tag.
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morinight
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>>555757254
i think the only free stuff is an alt picture for Doll so not a big loss
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>>555755791
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BCfu0RdP6A4SIE0XmoevGFTKp5qbilfiTViGwprpHv4/edit?gid=1401546373#gid=1401546373

for the timeline part of this spreadsheet, what does "alignment of stars" mean? is it the thing in miryam's story about reviving tulu?
>>555757987
tulu needs prepare on his 3 and 4 cost desu
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>just did Helot frenzy
>get raped
>blood pumping, pp reacting

Well guess you gotta do what you gotta do in this world.
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>>555763152
Retain prepare on his cards would be so good. Even on one of them would fundamentally change him as unit.
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>>555765256
-2 arithmetical on abyss order when in tranquil sea feels like a "when the stars align" in Lemurian but at least it does full damage because I think gmurphy's tranquil sea doesn't halve tentacle damage
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morinight
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>>555765256
same with Wanda's 4 cost
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>>555774382
Wanda feels like she wants to take all of your arithmetica whenever her cards show up. The cost-return on her 3-cost is great, but that's only when she has 5 dreamlure and a chance to use its leap before anyone else on the team. She and Tinct might be decent together, though, since her 2-cost (and Wanda's exalt) also guarantees the next leap activation.
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Tentacles can crit but who's crit rate do they get?
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>>555778914
Everyone's contributes to it. It's not an average but some sort of conversion ratio.
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>>555778914
It shows how it's calculated in the realm explanation on the lineup page (tap/click the realm icon in the top left).
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>>555779475
>>555780052
I see thanks
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Is Daffodil supposed to be a DPS? I use her more of a support but the game keeps giving her DPS wheels when I go on recommended.
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>>555757254
What do you mean miss out? The event is permanent and a new player can use your code at any time in the future if you spam it enough.
Unless you're a new player yourself then you have like a week (?) to use someone else's code and get a small amount of silver I think, so that's something you can miss out on. If that's the case you can use this one if you want: R82CDU8MZU
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>>555781539
Yeah. That's her role according to the game. She just has some utility built in and needs a lot of STR to work as one.
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>>555765890
I don't think tentacles can even attack during GMurphy white stance
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>>555784660
If awakener can force tentacles to attack they do. IIrc covenant that gives you extra slap also works. What was the name? Returnal line?
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What is arguably the best posse?
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>>555786962
either the 3 arithmetica or the 2 arithmetica 2 draw
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If you think you know how to play Aequor or Gmurphy

watch this

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>>555785064
just tested this and you're right
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>>555789382
that's very cool, can you post the end screen with the character builds because after it's over it just throws me out
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>>555789382
more interested in the winkle
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Wtf my dick is gone!
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>>555793463
>Brain In A Vat
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>>555793463
Your UID is on the screen. Time to steal another account.
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So how often are Arc 1 and Arc 2 characters gonna go on rate up in the rotation? Right now is 2 Arc 1 and 1 Arc 2 (Doresian, Daffodil and Miriyam). Is that the norm? Or is Doresian being there abnormal, because I wanna know roughly how long I should be waiting for the already released Arc 2 characters to come back. My gut reaction is that they're all gonna be gone a while to increase FOMO but I really want almost all of them
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>>555792237

Here anon
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>>555793463
You weren't using it anyway.
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>>555794564
I would expect at least 1 of them every patch. Next one should be either Kath or Pickman if I had to guess.
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>>555794943
Hopefully Kath, I quite want her. I do also want Pickman and Doresian but I already have mostly Caro so I can't justify it as much. I need some expansion in my Chaos and Aequor, since most of my units there I'm a bit sad about
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>>555794573
Thank you. Sweet Slug on Winkle is a bit surprising.
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>>555796019

That's not me, but I think they made the set for other character (probably Corposant), since it's some keyflare and mostly death resist.
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>>555794307
It's a stolen screenshot. Not that it matters, I've already leaked my ID here before.
>>555794717
I use it plenty during reproduction frenzy with Ramona
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any tips or pitfalls for a new player? started a couple days ago
i’ve been using the standard rolls on the standard banner as they come in, haven’t used any silver on rolls
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>>555800960
you'll probably be playing around Xu (the strongest character on rate up right now) which means you'll eventually want to run her either with Nymphea, Faros, or Liz. It's not really clear who the best is and people have really dumb opinions on which standard banner is the best one to pull on so I'd recommend just trying to get every standard character E0 in the short term until you figure out which Xu variant you like best.

the other typical advice - which is good advice - is to eventually pull on the weapon banner until you get 16 copies of blade of the titan. however, Xu comps don't really use blade of the titan so you'll have to determine the right time to do that.
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>>555800960
also, anyone who tells you to pull or build Caecus is a retard who should be disregarded.
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>>555800960

Get these ASAP, go pull Xu (maybe 1 copy first) right now if you don't have enough sediments.

These are free dupes and it's resetting in 10 hours.
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>>555800960
to add onto what the previous anon said, if you can only afford one of those, get the prototype horizon
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I'm actually pretty curios. what'd you guys use your timeloops and prototype horizons on?
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>>555803316
limited awakeners/wheels that I either already had in a team or I knew I was going to use in a team mostly
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>>555803316
nothing, hoarding them until eos lmao
realistically might use them on GTulu or to +12 a favorite character if it gets a crazy axiom
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>>555803316
hoarding. will probably only use the horizons four at a time to OE and the timeloops sporadically on stuff I didn't E3.
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>>555803316
oh i did use one on horla to E1 her, if you luckshit a limited on standard banner that's imo the best use for them. i should definitely use one on my E0 Murphy.
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>>555804258
I've also been wanting to use one on my e0 murphy as well since her e1 is so good but this feel of knowing that I MIGHT need it later is preventing me, I'll probably do it after seeing what's on the next banner.
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>>555803316

Since I gave up on saving for a +12 limited wheel, I just spent 3 timeloops on a limited wheel that I find myself using a lot but didn't pull to E3 on release (Castor's).

For other people, I recommend using free dupes AFTER you top up, since the top-up bonus can give random characters/wheels (I have a number of +5 or +6 characters for this exact reason). Also, Arc 2 characters should be prioritized since Arc 1 characters can spook you.
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i bought the caros pack thingy cause i wanted thais (got her yay) but also got helot catena, can i play her at e0 or does she need copies? (looking for a dps for extra alert 2)
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>>555804821
I was thinking of ascending that exact wheel but I'll probably only give it 2 timeloops for the reason you described. I might get a copy of it randomly from those 15 buck deals that we get occasionally as unlikely as it is.
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>>555806994
for alert 2 she's more than good enough at E0
after you play her at E0 for a while you'll know whether you want to invest further and how much
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>>555806994

She is a DPS, and each of her enlightens helps her either do more damage or do it faster. Since you're only doing Alert 2, E0 should be sufficient for now.
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>>555807396
>>555807354
got it will try her out
i see her being played with regular helot in dtide but she looks like a brick
does the "buff helot" work on catena too or am i missing something
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>>555807846

Helot's exalt give bonus final damage (very strong) to strike cards for a turn, helot catena biggest hit are her flails, which are considered as strikes.
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Why does nobody play with Sorel :(
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>>555808125

She used to be very bad, so oldfags didn't invest in her (except maybe the launch players), and newfags usually have better, newer, and easier-to-play DPS.

That being said, she is playable now if you invest in her. You'll need Pickman and preferably Thais (as with all Caro teams ever). Leigh also works if Thais is busy on other teams.
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>>555808125
i feel like i'd conceivably play her if this game had action rewind like CZN. as it stands you have to somehow magically know exactly how many babies it takes to phase a boss. while doresain has the exact same team requirements except he scales every time he exalts.
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>>555808845
It does exist but you need the highest level of the battle pass.
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>>555808125
You can find quite a few d-zone clears with her on the leaderboards but people usually have her quite invested.
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>>555808656
>You'll need Pickman and preferably Thais (as with all Caro teams ever)
Story as old as time
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>>555808656
Leigh does seem like the perfect buddy. I love the berserker theme she has.
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>Agrippa is forgotten
>again
>>555810542
>berserker
I mean she just BDSM with emphasis on M enthusiast. I guess her Astral relic does make her closer to that.
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>>555807396
>>555807354
scuffed team got em
i can see her being fun but also doesn't seem to have a lot of different strategies
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>>555811308

Congrats anon.

DPS usually have the one thing that they're focused on. Ghelot, especially, was the most straightforward and easiest-to-play DPS for a really long time, but she was dethroned by Mouchette last patch.
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oh dear god how long is this special ops. having to manually redo lineup every time is driving me insane.
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>>555810727
No, I meant Sorel. I like how she has to be low health. GHelot too.
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>>555812820
My bad. But yeah. They all benefit from low HP somewhat. Uvhash too.
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>>555810727
I mean, Caro as a whole is basically the "berserker" realm, given how devour shield and temp strength get stronger at low hp. Leigh's just the one most interested in receiving punishment for herself so that she can remember her lost humanity. Caro and chaos are the only realms I like to build with stupid amounts of Realm Mastery.
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>>555812820

Almost all Caro benefit from low health somewhat; the only one who likes sitting at max HP is Salvador
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I assume these are permanent and don't reset right?
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>>555815927
Yeah, pretty sure they won't reset unless they rework P-Dive again. They might rework it again.
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>>555801372
>>555801731
>>555801936
>>555802634
thanks i somehow got 3 copies of nymphea so someone who synergies with her would probably be good,
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>>555816346

Then pull the current rate up banner, Xu

e0 is fine for now
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Hmmm... is it possible to make Counter work in act 2?
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>>555819682
absolutely, one of the top guys on the leaderboards (I don't remember which one exactly) has a Caecus/Pickman team on wave 5 alert 5 which managed to stack 45k counter on like turn one or two
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>>555819682

The two counter teams still played in Arc 2 are Aequor Caecus (usually with Tawil, but works without her too) and Daffodil OE (temp counter from exalt).

While often memed on, you can usually find a one ore more wave in dtide where Wanda is "playable", though not in every dtide. Example is wave 2 this rotation.
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>>555821412
>>555821375
Thanks.
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>>555803316
GDoll OE and wheel, Tawil OE and wheel, now I'm going for Castor E3 and wheel.
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>>555803316
I started this month, but it will either be saved for a +12 that I love (character/story) or as usual I save all my capped resources for collab limiteds that will never come back
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Reminder to newfrens to buy your Prototype Horizon and Timeloop Copy from the sediment shop before it resets in a few hours!
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>>555826597
Based Knight.
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>>555826597
what bout this one
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>>555829739

Don't, you're not going to use it.

You can buy for 1% relic scaling in arc 2 but not something a new player should do.
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>>555829739
it's not bad for traphase but no point in getting it early
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>>555830143
>>555829934
aight thanks frens
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moriBUMP
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What would you anons say at what chapter of the story does it become kino?
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>>555834141

I actually like earlier chapters more.....
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>>555834141
chapters 5-7 for me
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>>555834141
my favorite chapter so far was arc 2 chapter 3
nothing that important happened but the setting and Doresain himself were super cool to me
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>>555834141
Depends on what you mean by "kino" because we all have different values anon. Arc 1 Chapter 3/4 is where the cosmic horror really hooked me and got me to want read more.
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>>555834141
For me the moment that hooked me was chapter 1 when you enter the room full of wax statues where Sanga is chilling and you quickly realize that even though it's clear she's some kind of psycho, she's actually innocent and is just there to inspect the "artwork." Really tells you a lot about the state of the world, way more than any exposition could.

After that the story definitely takes a dip for a bit. The "little girl in distress" plot device really gets a workout in those first few chapters. Only Murphy has the personality to actually carry it.
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>>555835789
How did she even get there?
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>>555834141
The start of chapter 3 onwards.
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This is my roster right now and I was wondering two things, should I get Xu or Miryam and what are some teams that I should aim for considering who I have?
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>>555842565
Also these are the WoDs I currently have. Which one should get the monthly free potential? And I have the anniversary item as well. I don't know if I should get Inferno's WoD out of it or Helot's.
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>>555834141
From the Jenkin solo segment and on is when the game goes from good to great. There are some dips at times, though, and some chapters feel like they outstay their welcome. As an example, not every storyline in arc 1 needed to be 2 chapters long. It might've just been the developers not reaching their stride in storytelling yet, but a lot of nodes in arc 1 start with "and then a bunch of monsters showed up and you fight!" It gets old quick, but the actual character and worldbuilding parts are still great in spite of those.
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>>555841852
You seem to be rolling ultra standard which can be kind of rough in the beginning. I'd switch to chaos until you get a Nautila and then to Aequor until you get a few more copies of Caecus because I find his team with Nautila to be very comfy and easy to play in the early to mid game.
As for whether you should roll Xu or Miryam... it's up to you but keep in mind you can randomly get Miryam from Aequor standard. It doesn't hurt to get 1 copy of both which is probably the best play here.

>>555842565
from sediment nothing except proto horizon and timeloop
from d-jewels all dreamsparks, dreamshards, all copies of Aigis, all copies of Aurita and then... you'll figure things out next month
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>>555842565

left side: one of the bp wheel, the one you use more
right: how the fuck do you have 88k, but dreamspark and dreamshard first. You'll actually have to choose between the rest. I think you should get Aigis to e3 and starting working on one or two of the wheels.
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>>555842986

IMO, Thais wheel first, then save.

Lily wheel is good but you can wait.
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>>555843279
I guess it is Birth of a Soul > Dusk > and then the rest.
>>555843167
Already got them.
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>>555842986
don't spend your timeloops or wheel selector until you know what you're doing but if you have to spend the timeloop somewhere the best place is probably merciful nurturing currently
buy all copies of rewinding time from the lightless exchange
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>>555843578

At least get spring to E3 from shop, you'll grow to appreciate it.
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>>555843708
Oh yeah, I just didn't post it because it goes without saying. I am afraid GRamona might have her personal WoD though. And isn't Celestial Beast actually good for Moochie or does Goliath's personal weapon beats it in practise?
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>>555844303
celestial beast is pretty good on a bunch of characters but rewinding time at +12 is an insane keyflare wheel you'll use on almost any team, it's not just for Ramona
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>>555841852
You don't really have any Xu synergy at the moment. Myriam is a general blue support and doesn't particularly need duplicate copies so grabbing one of her is probably fine.
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>>555844801
the thing with poison is you have to start somewhere, getting Xu as your first poison unit is fine
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Any SR wheel from lightless shop that I should work on? already bought the whale and rewinding.
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>>555845972
not really, maybe the Tawil one if you don't have it (the one that looks like a gate)
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>>555848057
Wait, what?
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>>555848938
Gateway of Truth
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Wish there was chronological timeline up somewhere of all the main story chapters and side content like spec ops and deepdives so I could see what order they're supposed to be played in. For the side stuff at least there's the "YOU SHOULD BEAT THESE CHAPTERS FIRST" warning but even with that, characters will randomly show up after being introduced in seemingly unrelated chapters that I may or may not have ever touched. Also I still don't know where Gdoll's first appearance is supposed to be even after using her to blitz the entire main story for the event that just ended, which I'd especially like to play since I'm assuming that's where I unlock the story CG of her that shows up at the end of Faded Legacy.
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>>555845972
you generally dont want to work too hard on SR wheels because theyre from events that can rerun and you get the wheel +12 for free then. you can get E3 in the short term if you really want.
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>>555849605
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>>555850115
Have they rerun the same event more than once after its initial run?
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Horla might be my favorite Awakener actually. Does she need to dance through her emotions for maximum efficiency?
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>>555850238
TYVM! Glad I asked now as I was just about to dump my Reality Verges on Uvash/Erica/Agrippa, but looks like Horla and Tulu should be next for me instead. Still don't know where to get that cute Gdoll CG, though I guess it'll show up in the archive sooner or later if I go through everything on that table.
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>>555851534
>cute Gdoll CG
Do you mean an emote or a piece of in-story art?
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>>555852574
This one (and it's variations) from 9-1. Since they didn't unlock after the chapter I figured they, and Gdoll herself, must've made their first appearance in some side content that I've yet to complete.
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>>555850881
No, you mostly just use happy(more aliemus, retain on all character's cards) or anger(damage get bigger). Occasionally you might use the other two but they are much more niche. Hell, the current emotion is maintained through fights so sometimes you just slap happiness on in the first fight and only use her 0 cost when it shows up(or 1 costs if you have e1 for weakness/vuln), never actually changing stance.
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>>555853872
You're right, that's a cute one. I think that the animated dorm background version of that pic was tied to her character event (I might be wrong), but the rest will unlock when you get further into the story.
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>>555849605
>>555850238
To add to that picture (there should be a gigantic pop up at the top to read GRamona's before chapter 7 and Sorel's before chapter 8-9), it should be noted that (arc 1) GDoll first event where she is introduced does not actually exist. In chapter 8-9 she goes
>"oh puppy remeber when you found me in the mountain and I almost blew everyone up with the Silver Bomb(TM)"
>"yeah that was horrible, what would a crabjob feel like ahah asking for a friend"
But that event never actually went live because the game was going to eos, chapter 8-9 is where she is introduced.
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>>555856605
Well shit, so those flashbacks were fucking FAKE? Guess I'll just have to hope there'll be another chance to nab the CG on a rerun like I did with Thais' then
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Morinight.
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Is it worth staying in wheel jail longer to +12 will unyielding for kath? I already have titan and incalc maxed.
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>>555865804
>>555722101
you can also look at whale kath builds on pdive leaderboards
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Alright so this was my first D-zone (before reset), I didn't expect how hard it would be, much much harder than any story chapter, my main team could not do wave V alert V at all, the damage is even bigger and they give me no time for sustain, I understand why there is only 40 people that can get max points, gonna have to work on almost all my characters and see what synergize best together, after that if I can't come up with anything to win, I guess I will have to look at what people are using, but I will have fun for now
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>>555843167
>I'd switch to chaos until you get a Nautila
Sorry for the late reply but why that character?
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>>555866581
A5 is pretty much the challenge mode while A4 feels similar to story difficulty
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>>555869431
great question. if you roll xu there is no reason to touch nautila caecus nonsense that's super dated arc1 comp that xu is just better than.
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Is Doresain any good at E0? Looking at his Enlighten it doesn't seem like they're things he mandatorily needs (maybe the missing HP one at E2?). Also how badly does he want his own wheel?
I'm trying to go through an organise all the awakeners by wether I think they need extra copies and so few of them seem like they're fine at E0 which is a little odd but I'm only like 20% through so I'm hoping I'm wrong in my evaluations
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>>555869431
nta but in the early game her temporary counter murders everything. though it does fall off
but she stays relevant thanks to her immunity do debuffs (e3 exalt), good shields and being a counter detonator
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>>555876508
yes a lot of limited awakeners are not good at E0. Castor and Horla are good. Thais and Hameln are pretty good. Xu, Corposant, Myriam, GMurphy are decent. Doresain's not very good even at E3 and usually needs to be carried by Pickman and Thais don't count on him to do much.
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>>555877358
Ah, so he's the type where its a kit problem before its a numbers problem, so even with all the extra stats his enlightens give it's still not really worth it? Darn.
According to me briefly reading them, the only characters that seemed DESPERATE desperate for their E3 or OE were only a handful thankfully. But maybe my read was really off.
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>>555879212
murphy doesn't need oe
she's fine at e0, e1 is nice qol
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>>555880040
I really misred her then, though that's a welcome since it means I won't need to throw her to the bottom of the pile of units I need to work on
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>>555879212
the limiteds that are really dependent on their OE are generally understood to be Doll: Inferno, Daffodil, Pollux (without Castor) and Tawil. These are the characters that are generally difficult to alert5 with at E3 (assuming they are the core of the comp) but not at all unusual to alert4 with. I should probably include Murphy: Fauxborn here too but it feels weird because her kit is so good at E3 already. but you can score 400 in D-tide without OEing any of these so you don't actually have to prioritize any limited OEs at all.
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>>555880969
Gmurphy's OE is kind of a win more thing. It's very, very good, but I don't really feel like she needs it to do A5. Watching the blender go never gets old though so I don't regret getting it.
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>>555880969
>daffodil
>pollux
damn, there goes the next 14 months of my Radix I guess. Maybe I can skip Daffodil, but I love hags who smoke with a long thin pipe.
I'm guessing Alert V is the hardest stage of D-Zone, which I'm many lightyears away from given I struggled to clear the lowest level on each node.
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>>555881489
take your time
aside from needing a5-capable carries, you need more account levels and unlocked posses to tackle higher alerts in d-tide because your relics and max hp scale with those things
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>>555876508

You're not wrong, only a few awakeners are fine at E0.

That being said the economy is balances around dupes, you could get approximately two characters and two wheels per month (70-80 pulls with free dupes) without calculating any random free pulls, of which there are a lot of random free pulls.

So the at very least, you'll get E3 character and E3 wheel every other month.
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Daffodil feels very strange to use. I am 100% sure she isn't meant to be played as the core piece of a team.
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>>555884229
She is just old. IIRC she was the 2nd limited awaker in the game and has trouble keeping up without a lot of investment.
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>>555884229
what daff team are you trying to play?
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>>555884886
Daffo, Horla, Winkle and Thais but it in the realm tower (I forgot the name).
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Daff is the of the few carry that doesn't benefit much from Thais.

I guess you can spam Thais two cost to exalt daff but that's about it.
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>>555887213
From what I am gathering is that she needs STR and Exalting as frequently as possible.
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>>555884229
Daff not having an Astral Reign talent in any map without a shop also kind of fucks her compared to other damage dealers. She can't give you a discount if there's nothing to buy.
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>>555887816
I got her to E2 and will still use her but I just have to get her right.
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>>555887929
Don't worry, babe. Just a few buffs and you'll be right as rain.
>>555888081
I like her a lot, too, it's just that more recent awakeners (ie Pollux) can shit out damage much more efficiently. Daff can fit into a lot of different teams, but she needs a good map (shops for relic discounts, good events, good mobs to farm her wheel stacks, etc.) to do her job well.
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>>555888260
Her short summary mentions her being the strongest in the extra turn and I am not getting why. Are exalts and buff still persisting through it? Isn't the damage reduced slightly under it?
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>>555888487
>Isn't the damage reduced slightly under it?
it's reduced because you're playing a mixed realm with thais. pure ultra doesn't have that
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>>555888487
Pure Ultra does not get any debuffs during the extra turn. As for Daff, her exalt puts a copy of the card you make into the ultra bar if there isn't one already, so you can technically use it twice in the extra turn if you retain it. Otherwise I can't think of much else.
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>>555888671
>>555888605
Oh. But how will pure Ultra even look? And the game might explain it somewhere but is it considered the same turn or a new one?
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>>555745484
>are the only states I need to care about are the three stars, +4 and then +12?
Pretty much. Most characters are fine somewhere from 0 to 3 stars, a rare few want +4 for their OE but for most it is just nice, and +12 is pure character love whale territory.
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>>555810542
I would love to use Leigh more but she has absolute bottom of the barrrel complete dogshit stats. For someone who is better the more hp you have she sure puts a dent in your max hp for taking her along.
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>>555889434

Ultra turn is new turn, the only thing that persist from the turn before is your shield (and turn count in the summary screen, lol).

That being said, since enemy doesn't get their action, bleed/sacrifice/vuln/weakness will not disappear.
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>>555853872
>must've made their first appearance in some side content that I've yet to complete.
Nope. She was going to make her appearence then EOS almost happened and they rushed the end of act 1 so she just kind of appears out of nowhere and you know she was locked aways in mythag, but they never released that part of the story. At least you get a bit of story for here in part 1 of act 2.
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>>555890418
The one in the story also isn't the one we use apparently.
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>>555890487
Yeah, there are apparently something like 3 or 4 different gdolls. They really need to put out a proper gdoll side story to get it all in order instead of leaving us to try and figure it out from a few throw away lines of dialogue.
Normally I dig a bit of ambiguity for something like this but there is a bit too much around gdoll.
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Is the strategy for Arc 2 literally just
>stack Key regen
>spam keyflare
>repeat
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>>555891487

kind of, it replaced Arc 1 strategy of
> stack shop wheels
> buy cursed relics
> repeat
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>>555869431
because her team with Caecus is the easiest standard only team to go through story with, since you have no limiteds currently
filling up your roster with as many standards as possible will give you more options to play with anyway
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>finally got Kath to E3
Now I need to find my next prototype Horizon victim.
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How to heal in a pure Ultra comp?
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>>555894029

Horla and Clementine can heal.

Aside from that, you don't.
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>>555894029
That's the funny thing. You don't. Clementine is the only Ultra healer. They don't have standard one. You have to rely on shield/kill everything before you die.
>>555894191
>Horla
Horla heal comes from exalt tho...
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>>555894245

Just be one of the insane people who rouse Horla
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>>555894191
>>555894245
Is Ultra the whale realm? I don't think I have enough burst damage to kill most enemies so fast that they don't hurt me.
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>>555894597

No, Aequor is the most whale realm. Pure Ultra is just harder to play.

You can heal between stages, but in general HP management for Pure Ultra is harder than even Caro.
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>>555894764
I'd disagree. It's caro that is whalebait. Consider that basically every caro team is limited heavy while blue teams are pretty light on them.
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>>555894597
This is why you need Castor. Budget option would be Tinct with FoB + Land of Nonexistence since Tinict shield values are actually "ok" and she can purge every annoying debuff with her 2 cost. Or Erica is you play arith hogs or need keyflare for Astral Reign rules. And it's easier to get standard vs Castor. Granted I'm not pure ultra player. So my advice comes mostly from Arc 1 and a bit of Arc 2 experience with mixed realms. So you get the idea.
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>>555895507

You only need one built DPS to do optimal damage in other realms.

Aequor really wants your entire team to be level 70++ for your tentacles (both shielding and damage). A level 90+12 team in Aequor might as well be a different team than a level 60 team using the same lineup.
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>>555894597
that's why many people mix ultra with caro, typically for Aigis and/or Thais
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>>555896274
>Tinct with FoB
what's FoB
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>>555896876
Me being retarded. It's Feast from Beyond covenant. FFB just sounds weird.
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>>555896609
Lv70-80 is a matter of time investment, not money. And lv90 isn't even remotely necessary(and while it certainly is a world of difference from 60 it's not that big of a gap from 80 besides).
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>>555897382
> Lv70-80 is a matter of time investment

The same could be said for dupes.

My point was that Aequor is a whale realm because your whole team needs high investment, not just a single DPS like in other realms. Slot in a Lv90 Mouchette and the rest of your team could be level 60 shitters, and it wouldn't be that different from a whale team.

Meanwhile, in Aequor, slot in a level 90 Gmurphy, and your team will still be noticeably worse than a whale Aequor lv90 team. You can still clear but that's true for all realms so it's irrelevant.

On the other hand, Caro is probably the least whale-bait realm now:
- Xu E0 can do Alert 5 at level 70 (60 probably could too but I haven't tested yet).
- Ghelot only need E3 and she is the only person who wants level in her entire team
- Salvador is like Aequor in a sense that he wants max hp, so his entire team need investment.
- Thais needs E2 and doesn't need level
- Aigis is free and doesn't need level
- Pickman wants but doesn't even need E3. Levels is nice on him.
- Foreskin does zero damage anyways, so it doesn't matter if he's E0 level 60 or +12 level 90.
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>>555894029
There's no reason to play pure ultra/to avoid using a chaos awakener.
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>>555901489
That's Impressive for a yuribait character.
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>>555900693
You are ignoring how you don't just want one limited unit in caro teams, you usually want 3-4. With blue the only limited heavy team is gmurphy, and even then the only one that actually needs more than e2 is gmurphy herself. Moreover you are pretending tentacles are more than just supplemental in most blue teams. They don't fucking matter in anything other than lemurian and there you stack so much bonus shit with gmurphy that your level barely matters.
>pretending xu being corpse dragged by OE gdoll is a credit to her
Barely functional unit that needs heavy investment in other characters to even sort of work. Might as well pretend e0 karen is good because an invested kath can drag her to victory. Same concept(except that xu might one day be good)
>ghelot
Needs lv90 to function. Whether she works or not is a pure stats check(and between the boost she gets from her +s and the extra levels she is one of the most + hungry units in the game.) She is incredibly overrated if you don't turbo invest, even more than tawil.
>pickman
Needs OE.
You already covered the others and I don't disagree there. Thais OP, Foreskin meh, Salv wants levels, Aigis free.
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>>555902503
aequor doesn't have teams beyond discard and lemurians because it has no limiteds period. those two teams combined use all five aequor limiteds.
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>>555902503
what blue teams can consistently do a5, and at what investment level?
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ive used some guys gmurphy as support so much she's basically mine now
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>>555902503
>Moreover you are pretending tentacles are more than just supplemental in most blue teams
But all their damage scales with tentacles???
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>>555902786
Corpo can do it at E2 as long as aurita is invested enough. Gmurphy at e3(with e2 miryam and eWhatever tulu.) Technically Sanga can do it too, but needs fuckloads of investment and I really don't recommend shieldbash sanga. I guess you could technically count bluewil or blue 24 but how much they need fluctuates depending on what the stages are. gmurphy kind of ate 24's teammate anyway.
>>555904281
Most of their damage comes from card buffs, STR from pilots or raw tentacle from gmurphy's waltz. Getting a bigger white stance is nice but not where damage comes from.
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>>555902503
>>pretending xu being corpse dragged by OE gdoll is a credit to her

See
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>>555902503
>>ghelot
>Needs lv90 to function. Whether she works or not is a pure stats check(and between the boost she gets from her +s and the extra levels she is one of the most + hungry units in the game.)
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And that's W5, shitter ghelot can do W1 just fine.
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>>555904997
>Corpo can do it at E2 as long as aurita is invested enough
what levels do i need on them?
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>>555906373
See? Aequor can carry even Gh*lot, that's how strong it is
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>>555906373
Helot haters real quiet after this
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you really learn some stuff clicking random 425s
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>>555916695
My FUARKING heroes....
And Hameln
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>>555916695
>max strength 2505
What in the goddamn?
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>>555916695
>fastest Salvador clear
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>>555916695
I just saw the max poison inflicted stat and realized that this was a dps Hameln run.
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>>555917291
wtf Hameln inflicts poison? How?
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>>555916875
>>555917291
d700c4fb-95d0-37c0-b870-19d90f15c21c#E#a

he has a few other interesting clears
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>>555917581
"Marvelous Debuff" has a chance to inflict poison damage, among other stuff. Mine isn't leveled. He also does Marvelous Debuffs on his multi-hit exalt. I think that his OE can add more hits? I've never tried a whaled Hameln.
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>>555906373
HOW do you even clear alert 5 with only 60s, I get raped by the obscene damage even just on alert 3.
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>>555917908
oh right that was a thing
I think the regular exalt only has strength down and the other debuffs are only from OE but I can't check right now
I've borrowed a whaled out Hameln a few times and was impressed with the str down he applies (at lvl 90 with 10 soulforge it was like -100 str) so I never noticed the other debuffs
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>>555918645
I just checked and yeah, you're right. Only his OE hits deal marvelous debuffs. I, personally, never though about how much potential poison he could deal, but the screenshot also shows that the team had 400+ realm mastery, so that's a ton of temp strength just from Salv using devour at low health, on top of the temp strength Hameln himself gets.

I love how much wacky shit you can do with team comps in this game.
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>>555919228
now imagine that team with the new +12 Ogier after a death res proc
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>>555918449

Big part of it is account level and relics scaling, another part is just game/enemy knowledge imo
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>>555919510
Now I need art of Ogier holding his lance with one giant muscular arm. Like the buff MP5 meme from Girls Frontline.
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>>555919659
your stats being tied to account level is definitely my least favorite part of the game, a pretty annoying 'timegating' of your progression.
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>>555920119
Same, even though I'm level 75. I feel like relic strength should be attached to story progress or something instead. Just give out yhe buffs in bigger chunks instead of 1% at a time.
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>>555920119
it's one of the ways gacha games can incentivize spending because spenders get an xp boost
if you're f2p it's not uncommon to see people with a fraction of your play time but higher level than you
I personally don't find it to be that big of a deal because ultimately it's a single player game and "ladder competition" is mostly in your head
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I'm not too far into the main story but reading through Myriam's side story and the contrast of random english typos with genuinely beautiful prose sure is something, I wish I could read the writer's original version cause I imagine it's great
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>>555916695
>19 turns
wait I thought arc 2 rules were capped at 15 turns
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>>555924556
d-tide has no turn limits
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>>555924556
its sort of the opposite you get a super op card on turn 15.
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>>555922982
The vast majority of the main story has been human-translated, but most of the side stories have not, iirc.
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>>555925760
I thought it might've been MTL and some parts probably are but those would have correct grammar and spelling, some of these parts I mention have typos like "ectasy" and similar which no halfway decent program would make nowadays
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>>555919659
>>555920119
first time i hear this, what stats are bound?
anywhere to see the details?
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>>555927182
If you check "Team Info" in the lineup page, then it'll have something called Forbidden Lore, which explains more about it. Basically it just steadily scales up relics with account level, and makes them stronger if the average awakener level on the team is higher than your account level.
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>>555928923
ah i see, looks like good ol timegating yeah
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>>555924556
>>555925442

It used to be limited to 15 turns, that limit was (rightfully) removed later. However, the 15-turn card was left in the game.
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Page 9 after only 30 minutes.
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>>555902725
is there like a list of 'known' teams or is it not so strict that it's not worth writing down and you can just synergize based on keywords and character vibes?
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>>555935881

There are known meta teams, which consist of one to three characters and flex slots, and situational teams people make specifically for Dtide, a mode where you can't use duplicate characters.

One thing to note is that top-tier supports in this game tend to be extremely generic, so in the endgame, you'll actually need to make teams based on your account and weigh the power levels of each team (i.e., if your Ghelot is super built, you can remove Thais or Horla from her team to put them in your less invested team).

And of course there's super random teams that people somehow made work.
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moribump
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What is Sepirot?
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>>555943035
Twink from Final Fantasy.
Jewish mysticism. It's always Jewish mysticism.
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Wait a second, Daffo's made up card doesn't go into ultra space...
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I love this game, dude.
>>555946392
I am retarded and didn't play it first.
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>>555946392
it doesn't go into ultra space if there's already one in there
>>555935881
if you're building for pdive or story there's no restriction and you use whoever is good
the reason why people say for example that xu "doesn't use thais" is because dtide only lets you use each awakener in each team and gelot/smoochie uses thais better and has a higher ceiling
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Can I see how much strength I have accumulated during a battle?
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>>555950763
Not true actually. I just defeated Shogo** for the weekly and had two different versions of the custom card come back to me in the extra turn. Maybe 2 of the same cost can't get back. But I guess I will need to find the ugly b*g now.
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>>555943035
the tree of life in Jewish kabbalah has 10 "nodes" aka the spirit
the 22 "connections" between the nodes influenced the major arcana in tarot (xiii death, etc)
for more information see /div/ in /x/ but in general its just a cool looking word that stems from Japan really liking Jewish mysticism
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>>555951310
you can put another in ultra space if it's your first card of the turn but your ult won't put a second one in if you already have one of any cost in
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>>555951947 (me)
*sepirot, not spirit
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>"Alright time to do my weekly traphase win"
>proceed to lose 3 times in a row
h-haha
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>>555951310
What is the difference between Liz' flames? Just the mana they give her?
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>>555920119
>>555919659

I didn't know relics were tied to, I thought it was only HP well no wonder I get gapped so hard
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>>555952920
green = 1
corrupted = 2 hit
deadly = 3 hit
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this is the worst ultra standard btw.
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When people talk about Aqua Lemuria tags with Tulu (iirc), where are those tags? Are they in the profile somewhere? Or is it like a hidden info tag?
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>>555958467
it's in the soulforge passive, "when in a party with 1/2/3 **other** Lemurian awakeners..."
it's somewhere in the archives as well or something but that's too dense for me to read through
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>>555956490
That's not even the most op thing she does, check out her strikes in ultra turn.

>>555958467
in the archive
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>>555841852
Update to this, I've gotten Aurita and Erica from missions and someone named Tawil when I rolled on Chaos a bit. I also have two Protoparadise, those are used to get free characters?
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>>555960404
>and someone named Tawil when I rolled on Chaos a bit
You lucky bastard.
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>>555960404
protoparadise are only base characters I believe, maybe that'll change in the future but also maybe it won't
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>>555960404
they let you choose a standard. they're pretty rare so make sure you get something you want. getting tawil off of standard chaos banner is extremely rare, some people will be jealous.
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>>555956490
is the crit rate and crit damage just for herself or teamwide
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>>555960903
>>555960972
Ah, is she good?
>>555960926
I should probably save those for now then, right? Since I'm still rolling on standard and because copies of characters seem important?
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>>555958467
9x strength scaling strikes, increased by 1.5x each exalt?
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Are we getting the information about the next trio of Awakeners tomorrow?
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>>555962039
tawil is (potentially) a second copy of anyone on your team, or a copy of anyone in either chaos or the realm you're pairing with chaos, as well as just a very solid carry on her own
most characters have power boosts from copies 2-4 with some being nearly unplayable without a specific one
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>>555961640
teamwide. she's nice for those ZDPS feast from afar Kathi setups.
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What's the best description of the eight character archive categories?
>Gateway
Mythag related personnel.
>Unknowable
??? A lot of them seem to be N related but I'm not sure all of them are.
>Among the Stars
Aliens.
>The Fools
Ordinary people who became awakeners?
>Outlanders
Foreigners from other countries (or times).
>Out of the Aeons
Those associated with divinity.
>Hybrid
People who aren't fully human.
>Dwellers of Darkness
Ordinary non-awakeners who show up in the story.
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>>555962475
This, if you setup her leap +crit the turn to land on the turn you'll unloading with Kath or Moustache then it can be magnificent.
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>>555970585
Is it just as good as Smooch + Helot?
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morinight!
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winkle love
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>>555975541
I would say no, Helot's searchs are valuable enough that she could provide zero buffs and I'd still probably take her. That she also provides some strike buffs is just gravy.
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bullying Leigh in Wave 3!
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It's dtide day!

And they somehow they made w4 worse!
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wave 4 was supposed to be the madness bug what is the hardest boss in the game doing there instead???
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i don't wanna do dtide......
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>the same cringe elite in both w4 and w5
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FYI

W4 lineup icon was bugged, this is the real boss
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>>555993571
lmao
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Man I do not understand what I'm doing in Traphase. Why is there even a weird ass PVP mode with completely alternate kits? And am I supposed to just kinda guess as to how the units will be different?
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>>555997080
It's based on the dev's previous game.
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What's a good stopping point for Pickman, and do I need his wheel?
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>>555958467
You can see the tags on chara info under "origin"
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>>555967837
I think Unknowable would be "Mysterious characters/Characters that have a secret."
The Fools seems more like "Followers & characters guided by their own will/ideals(?)" since Rogers is also there.
The rest seem correct to me, though I don't get why normal Doll is in Among the Stars unless I'm forgetting something
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>>555999171
OE.
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>>556001172
Shit guess I will have to skip then for the new blue then
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>>555999171
E0
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I will most likely get Xu to E3 and get her wod as well.
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>>556003865
Only worth if you wanna play her as dps imo
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>>555993571
either they fixed it or it's only bugged on a5
a4 is protector as it should be
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>>556006519
(and if you're gonna do that you probably need OE since you need exalt spam)
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>>556007005

It's fixed

I beat it before the nerf
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>>556007508
I think what I am about to do is just roll 4 copies every rerun. People have mentioned not every Awakener needs OE investment so I might be able to do it.
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the more i borrow oe gmurphy the less i want to oe my own... i hope the next aequor is more fun to play than her
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>>556009213
Yeah ofc you dont need them, my point was more that Xu specifically is perfectly serviceable at e0 for her support purpose, and E3 is kind of a weird middle-ground but def doesnt hurt if thats what you wanna do
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>>556010129
I get what you mean. I don't know if she need 8 copies for the fetus creation but I may use her alongside Sorel too.
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>>556009734
her non OE exalt doesn't feel worth using unless you're bursting
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>>556010129
I own E3 and I disagree that its a weird middle ground, you can build twice as much spellbound with E3 vs E0 if you play dreams and E2 is also a big improvement for getting more exalts out. she's not cucked at e0 but she's a better unit at E3.
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>>556012975
Is there another unit that I can run with her to build Spellbound? I find myself having to spam her Exalt to get up to ~7 so I'm never able to pop it for big damage. Also I feel I need another source of poison too.
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>>556012374
Even nonOE her exalt is overloaded as fuck. High multipliers, a bunch of shield, and sac conversion is a lot. Like if you have OE you'd obviously prefer to save up for that a lot of the time but her normal exalt is still stacked.
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>>556013097
You definitely need another source of poison, right now the options are OE GDoll, OE Daffodil, Liz, or Nymphea. You could use her posse for spellbound if you really wanted but getting double trigger on 2-cost resonance makes it three spellbound per exalt which is pretty ok imo.
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>>556012975
sorry, 50% more spellbound overall, twice as much from the 2-cost resonance.
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>>556013383
well when I'm borrowing an OE GMurphy I can use her exalt turn 1 or 2 without feeling bad about it
when I'm playing my own Murphy and exalt turn 1 it does absolute jack shit, no damage, yeah it gives a shield but also a fat stack of sacrifice so like... what's the point? I tend to just sit on her exalt until turn 5-6 or whenever I have her rouse effect stacked.
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getting tired of all this hp bloat
even w2 jenkin is 1,6 mil hp
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>>556013668
I mean that's not wildly different from how OE gmurphy plays. Ideally you OE turn one, rouse her, then sit on her exalt until her rouse is stacked. The only real difference is her OE gives you a few cards you are gonna sit on for later.
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>>556012975
Thats what i meant for dps tho, since you want to stack 10 and blow it up thats a lot of exalts that OE helps a lot
Obviously she's gonna be better at e3 than e0 i was just talking about her working for her purpose
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>>556012374
i mean.. yeah. i normally don't use it unless it's a burst turn or if i'm about to die and need a shield. oe plays a bit differently but after playing her a bunch, oe and my non-oe, i just find her really boring to play, especially as the main dps. i was saving protos to oe her to but i changed my mind
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>>556013806
True. I guess it just feels bad "wasting" aliemus lmao. Though the extra waltzes let me scale much much faster, it's like an OE GMurphy feels multiple turns ahead of a non OE one after just a single overexalt.
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>>556012975
Who are you pairing her with?
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>>556013707
I find alert 5 too stressful so I just settle for alert 4 and even 3.
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>>555999171
E2 for the advanced orisons and making his relics gold. No idea on the wheel.
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Done, five clears as usual.

Not sure about W4 after the hotfix, but this dtide is overall harder than the last two rotations.

If your teams aren't super built, consider doing lower alert on W5.
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cant see page so moribump
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>>556019527
This is my Genesis form. Or I am the Genesis..
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why tf does mouchette's frenzy count non-command cards...
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>>556014482
lily basically solos leigh so chaos this time. we'll see if I can alert5 it leigh is certainly the easiest wave this time around.
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>>556023289
theres no current way to get lilys wod right?
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I don't understand the card dupe system, does the "text" scale with copies or just main stat? Is there a big difference between single copy and +3? (+12 is out of the question for limited ones for me)
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>>556024061
if you swipe $400 to reach 25000 total silver primes spent in your account life you get a selector for it, or you can get it as a 1/3300 on standard weapon banner. otherwise yeah no way right now.
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>>556024593
the text scales with copies until +3 (or whatever it is when all three diamonds are filled) then after that just the main stat scales
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>>556024593
we call the three stars under the portrait E0, E1, E2, E3. After those are filled out you get a + sign next to the stars with the number of dupes you've pulled in excess of those first three dupes. Reaching +4 unlocks the big sexy unlock overexalt. So you have to pull a character four times to reach E3, eight times to reach +4, and sixteen times to reach +12 (the maximum).
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>>556025182
Ah so I assume you'rr supposed to get the 3 diamonds and going over is not worth unless you whale
>>556025323
I meant the cards you equip sorry, was mainly asking because I got the spiral thingy to dupe one and I dont know if its worth using it to fill the 3 stars or like spreading out +1s on other cards is better
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>>556027170
>I got the spiral thingy
save it until you know what you're doing
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>>556000191
Kath is also among the stars for some reason. I thought she was a normal human but her archive seems to imply her eldritch influence set her on a path to eventually ascending to something else.
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>>556028756
Yeah I just have fomo for the Xu card, but I guess it's fine at 1 copy
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>>556035960

To play devil's advocate, Xu's wheel is excellent and all its effects scale with copies.

Might not be for new players short on resources, but for veterans aiming for endgame content....
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>>556035960
Don't worry, anon. One day you, too, will get your Moriwife's wheel to +12! With any luck she'll also be from the standard pool.
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i might be retarded but the ogier fight on the event was miserable
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>>556037298
Who uses that?
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>>556040493
It's Leigh signature. With RM bonus you can probably slap it on Celeste too. If you want. For wahtever reason.
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>>556039742
For anyone having trouble borrow an OE GDoll she just kind of beats him.
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>>556037298
Were you that hardcore Leighfag? Post your covenants
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wtf is this comp
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>>556043317
Caecus caro, a pretty common comp I see lately but it usually involves Pickman instead of Xu
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>>556043317
I dont understand, how does the counter get scaled?
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>>556045126
having watched it now, the counter never goes that high but thais protective scales really does stuff.
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>>556043317

Normal Caecus comp, AKA "You'll eventually win if you don't die"
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Do we know literally anything about the upcoming Aequor? I need to decide if I can safely go for some Doresain enlightens...
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>>556052709

Not really, no

Your guess is as good as mine but I think the kit is going to be discard-related.
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>>556052709
upcoming Aequor?
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>>556055697
yeah in some qna from a few days ago Light spoiled that the next character is going to be Aequor
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>>556052709
I want a blue carry since I don't have GMurphy so it's an easy decision, might skip Pickman as well depending on how many pulls it will take to E3 the new character, if she will not be a carry than I will roll Pickman
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>>556057432
is Pickman rerunning? i havent seen any news about reruns
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>>556058440
Idk it was on the banner doc, Horla, Pickman, 24 are the next in line
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>>556060464
should i pull for doresain before he leaves? i already have him and his wheel at e0
whats a good stopping point for doresain/his wheel/pickman/his wheel?
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>>556061675
Doresain is honestly a very controversial character. He's strong early to mid game but falls off at the highest difficulties. And his enlightens don't really help there so it's difficult to recommend going beyond E0 unless you really like him as a character. I personally like him a lot.
As for Pickman he's fine at E0, though has a fairly strong E2 and OE. His wheel is pretty good but not that necessary, I find myself sometimes playing him with Tulu's wheel + Incalc instead and he works just fine.
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>>556068879
he doesn't look right like this
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>>556069146
sleepy boy needs to get up from his tentacle throne from time to time
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>>556041931
Sorry, man, I didn't see your post until just now. I only have a half-assed Cursed Rabbit covenant for her (it and her wheel together boost her exalt heal from 16% missing hp to 22%), but it stacks more realm mastery on her, so I'm happy with it. Wish covenants didn't have so much rng involved.
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>>556073141
masochist bnuuy!
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dzone 365 with 7 teams, feels like good progress for a less than 2 month old account
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>>556079216
Yes.
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>>556079216
2nd best value pack after monthly pass.
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morismooch
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so like I literally just lose, come back and try p-dive again tomorrow?
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morinight
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>>556068879
uoooh, cute shota evil entity
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>>556087042
looks winnable to me
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>>556092261

NTA but that thing counters Mouchette. It generate shield for every hit taken.

Could be winnable but you'll need like 1m damage instead of 121k. That being said, Mouchette can do 1m easily with end game investment.
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woah, thread is dead already
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